[RBW] Re: Any benefits to the longer CS's?

[Mike in WA]

You need to ride a Jones Plus! Getting the front wheel up is super easy!

On Monday, June 13, 2016 at 4:19:45 PM UTC-7, Richard Rios wrote:
>
> On road they are fine. Very laid back feeling, smooth and what others 
> mentioned. Off road I found I didn't like them so much especially if paired 
> with a long top tube and non swept back bars. My impression was it made it 
> to hard to get the front wheel up to go over obstacles so I ended up 
> plowing through stuff and it had the reverse effect of esentially making 
> the ride rougher...just my .02 impressions based off a long CS proto 
> hunqapillar.
>

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[RBW] WTB: Albatross bar HT Aluminum

[Joe Bernard]

Here's one with the stem you need in Dreaded Auction World. 

Look at this on eBay http://www.ebay.com/itm/201607963844

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom queue

[cyclotourist]

H^3 tandem is mighty tempting, isn't it!

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 7:49 PM, Abcyclehank  wrote:
> I have seriously considered that!  I might just go with a 65cm Mustard Clem 
> and a Large tandem.  The Clem could always go to my future son in law if he 
> proves worthy enough.
>
> Ryan
> West Michigan
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom queue

[Abcyclehank]

I have seriously considered that!  I might just go with a 65cm Mustard Clem and 
a Large tandem.  The Clem could always go to my future son in law if he proves 
worthy enough.

Ryan
West Michigan

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[RBW] fs: Brooks Cambium - C19 & cheap stems

[Eric]

For sale: 

1) Brooks Cambium C19... almost new! I gave the Cambium one last shot & 
just purchased this brand new. I put 50 miles on it before I went back to 
my old B17.

$110 shipped

https://s32.postimg.org/nv6p747c5/brooks1.jpg

2) Stems that came from a Surly LTH. 110mm / +17 degrees. For 1 1/8" 
steerer & has a 26.0 clamp.

I have two...$14 shipped each

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tire wear question. When to replace?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/29/2016 07:15 PM, Reed Kennedy wrote:
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Steve Palincsar > wrote:



On 06/29/2016 02:20 PM, Reed Kennedy wrote:

Great info, thanks! I've long had theories about how this
might go, but it's great to have images with solid information!

Random thought: I wonder if thinning the outer rubber on a
tire could, under some circumstances, lead to less flatting?
Hear me out...

As we can all tell by looking at used tires, the rubber part
doesn't provide much resistance to pictures or cuts. I believe
it is the casing that provides most of the flat resistance.
And while you'll sometimes have something punch all the way
through in one go, most of my flats seem to come from
something getting embedded in the rubber and then pushed in
further and further with every rotation of the tire. That's
the whole theory behind tire wipers.

I wonder if less rubber might hold debris less firmly, and the
puncture-causers might be more likely to fall off as you ride.
Perhaps resulting in fewer flats?


Well, if that were true then brand new tires would get flats a
lot, and as they wore the flats would become less frequent, until
at last when the tire was completely bald and the casing showing
through, they would get no flats at all.  But in real life, it
happens in exactly the reverse order.


Interesting! I can't say I've observed that. To me, riding in a city 
with lots of street debris, flats have generally seemed random. I 
haven't noticed any correlation along with my tires being newer or 
older. But I haven't been meticulous in my data collection either. 
It's just the impression I'm left with.





Most people that I know riding in "ordinary terrain" use a sharp 
increase in flat frequency as a telling sign indicating (as the Fisk 
Tire Co. used to say) it's time to re-tire.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom queue

[iamkeith]

You are clearly missing and needing a "long" bike, but the new XL Clem will get 
you that, without going custom.

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[RBW] Choco Norm Handlebars

[A CT Cyclist]

I'm thinking about putting some different handlebars on my Bridgestone 
MB-2. I'd like to get some feedback regarding the Choco Norm Handlebars. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom queue

[Abcyclehank]

David & Esteban,
For each of you a Legolas like custom would be perfect.  I thought Grant stated 
a semi-custom Leg is a possibility if you order from the non-published menu.  
However your 48mm tires and 650B wheels might not fly for less that full custom 
price.
Myself being vertically blessed, but height and weight restricted on bikes- 
Legolas tubing is out for me. 6'6.5" 240lbs.
Currently have a 68cm Atlantis, 64cm Bombadil, and 68cm Quickbeam.  Really 
everything I could ever ask for yet I am continuously tempted by custom 
possibilities.
Any suggestions?

Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

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[RBW] WTB: Albatross bar HT Aluminum

[Daniel Jackson]

If it comes with a 12cm Tallux, all the better!

Let me know if you've got one to sell. 

Thanks,
D.

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day - Hunqapillar FINALLY!

[Paul Y]

Thanks for chiming in with that Patrick, that's +1 for Hunq. Riv style and 
massive expedition really feel like they go together too.


On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at 11:13:47 PM UTC+8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Paul, I've done 200 miles of the Colorado section of the GDMBR with my 
> Hunqapillar when it was set up with fenders and 50mm Duremes and did just 
> fine (even better now with the fatter, far more supple Thunder Burts). Much 
> of the GDMBR is FS roads, so washboard is the big factor (mud down in NM 
> depending on rainy season) and some jouncy rocky roads, but really not much 
> or bad. I don't know the Jones Plus from experience, but my Hunq did great 
> and I've done far more challenging bikepacking trails with it yet (Colorado 
> Trail and Continental Divide Trail sections). 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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[RBW] Re: Long Chain Stays

[iamkeith]

"Mature" as in "not something you'd expect to be resolved in a prototype" ? 
 Or "mature" as in "good questions, and of course you can" ?

On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 6:02:49 PM UTC-6, BenG wrote:
>
> I specifically asked Keven if I could still lift the front end up a curb 
> on this long bike before I bought his brown protoloosa. And if it would 
> take a kickstand. He called those mature bike priorities. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tire wear question. When to replace?

[Lungimsam]

With these Loups I got three in the first 500 miles, then nothing until last 
Sunday, maybe 3000 miles?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom queue

[cyclotourist]

I want one of what he's having!

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Esteban  wrote:
> I have a '99 Joe/Joe Road Custom that fits a 32 max tire. Its sublime. If I
> were to jump on a custom these days, as discussed with some pals this
> weekend, I'd get Legolas geometry and tubing but with 650B and capacity for
> 48mm tires, ie. "road plus" 
>
> Esteban
> San Diego, Calif.
>
>
> On Thursday, June 23, 2016 at 10:06:35 PM UTC-7, Eric wrote:
>>
>> Saw the post on the blug about the $200 off the price of a custom and it's
>> tempting! Anyone throwing down?
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[RBW] Long Chain Stays

[BenG]

I specifically asked Keven if I could still lift the front end up a curb on 
this long bike before I bought his brown protoloosa. And if it would take a 
kickstand. He called those mature bike priorities. 

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Right Silver Shifter or Pair

[Ethan Guy]

Thanks for everyone's help. Unfortunately I am still on the market for 
Silver Shifters Levers a pair or a single lever.
-Ethan
Oakland, CA

On Wednesday, June 22, 2016 at 7:29:06 PM UTC-7, Ethan Guy wrote:
>
> Last weekend before a very beautiful loop ride along some coastal 
> mountains, I was getting my bike in order. I was tightening my bar-end 
> shifters (which had come loose). As I was taking off the levers to reach 
> the expansion bolt,  The right shifter "blew-up" or I was just clumsy and 
> knocked them loose. Long story short the spring and lock power ratcheting 
> mechanism on my right Silver Shifter (photo attached) fell out somewhere in 
> my garage/makeshift bike shop. I have ripped my garage apart looking for 
> the small parts but to no avail, and alas I come asking for any advice or 
> if someone is willing to sell just the right shifter or a pair.
>
> Also, attached is a screenshot from Riv showing what the mechanism should 
> look like if you are not an idiot and take apart the part you are not 
> supposed to take apart. 
>
> Let me know if you can help! 
>
> Thanks,
> Ethan 
> Oakland, CA
>
> P.S. I still did the ride but with an malfunctioning shifter...here is the 
> ride for anyone interested: http://bestrides.org/half-moon-bay-loop/
>

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[RBW] Re: RBW List takes over West Point Inn

[Kieran J]

What a magical meet-up! I rode to the Inn (solo) once a few years back and 
the mystical, contemplative nature of the place is to me very obviously 
conductive to a gathering like this one. A real scenic balcony perch to 
reflect on life with no annoying cars or throngs around.

Can't wait to get back to Marin this year - wish my timing could have 
synced with this fun looking thing !

KJ


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>
> Someone needs to write report on this.
>
> Such a great time, really hard to wrap my head and write something about 
> it.
>
> Pictures proved that Jackie is the Lady of the Mountain and if she says 
> you should cook a steak... You cook that steak.
> https://flic.kr/s/aHskyWDBzS
>
>
> Manny 
>

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[RBW] FS: Stickpack $110 shipped

[Edwin W]

I have one, gave one to my brother, but it is too Riv-ish, not technical 
enough for him!
These are to be used - sturdy and still light enough to pack as an extra 
bag or take biking when you are going to hike in the middle.


 


Pretty much new. One little dirt spot on the back. I will let the new owner 
scrub at it!

Edwin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tire wear question. When to replace?

[Reed Kennedy]

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
>
> On 06/29/2016 02:20 PM, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>
>> Great info, thanks! I've long had theories about how this might go, but
>> it's great to have images with solid information!
>>
>> Random thought: I wonder if thinning the outer rubber on a tire could,
>> under some circumstances, lead to less flatting? Hear me out...
>>
>> As we can all tell by looking at used tires, the rubber part doesn't
>> provide much resistance to pictures or cuts. I believe it is the casing
>> that provides most of the flat resistance. And while you'll sometimes have
>> something punch all the way through in one go, most of my flats seem to
>> come from something getting embedded in the rubber and then pushed in
>> further and further with every rotation of the tire. That's the whole
>> theory behind tire wipers.
>>
>> I wonder if less rubber might hold debris less firmly, and the
>> puncture-causers might be more likely to fall off as you ride. Perhaps
>> resulting in fewer flats?
>>
>>
> Well, if that were true then brand new tires would get flats a lot, and as
> they wore the flats would become less frequent, until at last when the tire
> was completely bald and the casing showing through, they would get no flats
> at all.  But in real life, it happens in exactly the reverse order.


Interesting! I can't say I've observed that. To me, riding in a city with
lots of street debris, flats have generally seemed random. I haven't
noticed any correlation along with my tires being newer or older. But I
haven't been meticulous in my data collection either. It's just the
impression I'm left with.


Reed

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[RBW] Re: Custom queue

[Esteban]

I have a '99 Joe/Joe Road Custom that fits a 32 max tire. Its sublime. If I 
were to jump on a custom these days, as discussed with some pals this 
weekend, I'd get Legolas geometry and tubing but with 650B and capacity for 
48mm tires, ie. "road plus" 

Esteban 
San Diego, Calif.

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>
> Saw the post on the blug about the $200 off the price of a custom and it's 
> tempting! Anyone throwing down?

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[RBW] Re: Dirt Touring with Nitto Campee Lowriders - Front or back?

[Esteban]

Speaking of duh - goodness, I should have had some coffee before writing 
this post considering my poor grammar. Front it will be! And I'll save 
weight by not adding the front mini rack, as weight savings is my goal.

Esteban

On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 1:00:27 PM UTC-7, oldmangabe wrote:
>
> Front, duh. 
>
> I've come to appreciate the challenge of riding narrow brushy/snowy single 
> track with lowriders. So far the ass-over-teakettle moments have been fun. 
> Plus the extra weight pretty much assures you keeping the front wheel 
> planted on loose turns or steep climbs.  
>
> Gabe
>
> On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 7:24:16 AM UTC-7, Esteban wrote:
>>
>> I'm building up my Hunqua and planning some bike camping that will 
>> involve as much dirt as possible. I have a front and rear Nitto Campee 
>> lowrider rack - can anyone chime in from experience about impressions with 
>> either? I've used both, but not on dirt and not on a Hunqua or Fatlantis...
>>
>>  This is under-bikepacking, hobo-style camping, so no framebags for me on 
>> this rig. I do pack rather light, though - two panniers and a rando bag 
>> does the trick.
>>
>> Esteban
>> San Diego, Calif.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: 700c Tire Advice

[John]

Thanks Mark!

John

On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 2:23:39 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Voila!
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/BGyNaFoSTHY/?taken-by=compasscycle
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 4:21 PM, John  
> wrote:
>
>> 44mm Compass tires?!? In 700C?!?  Oh man, I missed this!  My Woolly 
>> Mammoth is in love, or what ever that sound it's making means.
>>
>> Where are these teasers to be found?
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 12:27:48 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>>
>>> Barlow Pass on my 700C Atlantis. They're dreamy. And Compass has 
>>> released some teaser shots of a new 44mm 700C tire coming out soon, which 
>>> is also tubeless ready. That'll be my next tire for sure. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: 700c Tire Advice

[Mark Reimer]

Voila!

https://www.instagram.com/p/BGyNaFoSTHY/?taken-by=compasscycle

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 4:21 PM, John  wrote:

> 44mm Compass tires?!? In 700C?!?  Oh man, I missed this!  My Woolly
> Mammoth is in love, or what ever that sound it's making means.
>
> Where are these teasers to be found?
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 12:27:48 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>>
>> Barlow Pass on my 700C Atlantis. They're dreamy. And Compass has released
>> some teaser shots of a new 44mm 700C tire coming out soon, which is also
>> tubeless ready. That'll be my next tire for sure.
>>
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[RBW] Re: 700c Tire Advice

[John]

44mm Compass tires?!? In 700C?!?  Oh man, I missed this!  My Woolly Mammoth 
is in love, or what ever that sound it's making means.

Where are these teasers to be found?

John



On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 12:27:48 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Barlow Pass on my 700C Atlantis. They're dreamy. And Compass has released 
> some teaser shots of a new 44mm 700C tire coming out soon, which is also 
> tubeless ready. That'll be my next tire for sure. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW List takes over West Point Inn

[Philip Williamson]

I think I'm going to do one of the Pancake Breakfast rides from Fairfax. 
Maybe even park at the gate on Bo-Fax road. 
The ride across Alpine Dam with no cars for miles in either direction is 
pretty amazing. 

Philip 
www.biketinker.com

On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 1:43:25 PM UTC-7, René wrote:
>
> Those photos are very nice!
>
> Can you share your route? I'm thinking that at some point in mid august, 
> I'd like to try to go for a day ride to check the place out. I'm wondering 
> if you'd recommend parking in Fairfax and doing the loop from there just to 
> avoid all the climbing at the end of the ride. If mid-august is too hot, 
> then I'll do it in early September or in October. 
>
> I'm definitely interested in exploring the area.
>
> René 
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 11:49 AM, cyclotourist  > wrote:
>
>> Great to read the ride reports from the other groups. We split into an
>> initial three groups Saturday morning, based on
>> speed/distance/terrain. I ended up going with the last group on what
>> was billed as the shorter/smoother ride. I don't know about all that,
>> but 34 miles later, I wasn't turning down an offer to shuttle back to
>> the WPI!!! Wish I could have dragged this weekend out and gone for
>> more rides with you folks up there! Even with the heat, it was
>> fantastic!
>>
>> My pics from the weekend in mostly chronological order:
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157667635974003
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Hugh Smitham > > wrote:
>> > Thanks Joe for a spot on accounting of this past weekend...like you I'm
>> > still processing what a magical time I had with all of you. Need to do 
>> this
>> > again.
>> >
>> > Here are my photo's sorry it's a huge dump and kinda out of order.
>> >
>> >
>> > ~Hugh
>> >
>> > “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep 
>> moving.”
>> > ― Albert Einstein
>> >
>> > http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Joe Bunik > > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/sets/72157667527929894
>> >>
>> >> I don't think there could have been a weekend any better - my mind
>> >> will be replaying this one on repeat for the foreseeable future! What
>> >> a GREAT time and particular thanks go out to the Jacquie P. / David E.
>> >> / Jim W. / Hugh S. quad-fecta for making this thing happen in the
>> >> first place.
>> >>
>> >> I thought I'd only be able to swing up there for a short visit
>> >> sometime Saturday at best but, thanks to both my fabulous wife's
>> >> enablement and Esteban's encouragement, I knocked off early Friday,
>> >> got my bag together, and hit the road for Marin.
>> >>
>> >> The West Point Inn is a 1904-era alpine lodge high up Mt. Tamalpais
>> >> and only accessible by trail. Individual accommodations can be
>> >> arranged, but thanks to incomparable WPI member Jacquie Phelan, we had
>> >> the entire facility at our disposal. As the gang drifted into camp on
>> >> Friday night, we enjoyed a great feed, good imbibement, and fine
>> >> company.
>> >>
>> >> I dare say if the evening ended warm, Saturday dawned HOT - and, early
>> >> - most of the cabins and the main building are eastward-oriented
>> >> facing the SF Bay and thus little shelter from a 5:30am sunrise. Where
>> >> was the fog, and why had it been replaced with a breeze that felt like
>> >> a hot hair dryer?
>> >>
>> >> The best thing about having 25-30 people ready to go, a quiver of
>> >> bikes available, and no hard agendas whatsoever was that splintering
>> >> into 4 or 5 different riding groups felt totally fine. I had brought
>> >> my Legolas, which I am always happy with on fire roads but a bit less
>> >> sure of on technical/MTB-level descents (x42 Conti "Cross" tires just
>> >> grazing the chainstays when the frame flexes) - so, I will need come
>> >> back on something else to test the run-out on Eldridge Grade (though I
>> >> heard afterwards it may have recently been leveled out some).
>> >>
>> >> Jim W., Esteban, Joe #2, and myself (all of us mid-size tire riders)
>> >> opted for the ridgeline, ocean views of the Seven Sisters / BoFax
>> >> pavement descent to Alpine Dam, where we branched onto the old flume
>> >> road in the Lagunitas Creek canyon heading down towards Kent Lake.
>> >> This fine track had some major mojo, and we agreed we'd made the right
>> >> choice! The bill for all that descending came due upon arrival at the
>> >> junction w/ Old Vee Rd., which was a triple chevron death march
>> >> up-and-out to the next ridge. Throw in some stretches of blasting sun
>> >> and those goddam biting horse flies only adding to the fun.
>> >>
>> >> Finally, we reached the open roads which would take us north into a
>> >> more rolling hilltop and valley terrain, with several stretches of
>> >> exposed boulder gardens for good measure. We left a decision of
>> >> whether or not to pursue 

Re: [RBW] Re: Tire wear question. When to replace?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 06/29/2016 02:20 PM, Reed Kennedy wrote:
Great info, thanks! I've long had theories about how this might go, 
but it's great to have images with solid information!


Random thought: I wonder if thinning the outer rubber on a tire could, 
under some circumstances, lead to less flatting? Hear me out...


As we can all tell by looking at used tires, the rubber part doesn't 
provide much resistance to pictures or cuts. I believe it is the 
casing that provides most of the flat resistance. And while you'll 
sometimes have something punch all the way through in one go, most of 
my flats seem to come from something getting embedded in the rubber 
and then pushed in further and further with every rotation of the 
tire. That's the whole theory behind tire wipers.


I wonder if less rubber might hold debris less firmly, and the 
puncture-causers might be more likely to fall off as you ride. Perhaps 
resulting in fewer flats?




Well, if that were true then brand new tires would get flats a lot, and 
as they wore the flats would become less frequent, until at last when 
the tire was completely bald and the casing showing through, they would 
get no flats at all.  But in real life, it happens in exactly the 
reverse order.


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[RBW] Re: FS: 61 cm AHH (2014)

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks, Bob! I hope you find a great home for that beauty! What a fantastic 
build.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 2:25:03 PM UTC-6, Bob Cook wrote:
>
> Thanks, Deacon. That sentence was not meant to remain in the post.
>
> My price is $4,000.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW List takes over West Point Inn

[René Sterental]

Those photos are very nice!

Can you share your route? I'm thinking that at some point in mid august,
I'd like to try to go for a day ride to check the place out. I'm wondering
if you'd recommend parking in Fairfax and doing the loop from there just to
avoid all the climbing at the end of the ride. If mid-august is too hot,
then I'll do it in early September or in October.

I'm definitely interested in exploring the area.

René

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 11:49 AM, cyclotourist 
wrote:

> Great to read the ride reports from the other groups. We split into an
> initial three groups Saturday morning, based on
> speed/distance/terrain. I ended up going with the last group on what
> was billed as the shorter/smoother ride. I don't know about all that,
> but 34 miles later, I wasn't turning down an offer to shuttle back to
> the WPI!!! Wish I could have dragged this weekend out and gone for
> more rides with you folks up there! Even with the heat, it was
> fantastic!
>
> My pics from the weekend in mostly chronological order:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157667635974003
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Hugh Smitham 
> wrote:
> > Thanks Joe for a spot on accounting of this past weekend...like you I'm
> > still processing what a magical time I had with all of you. Need to do
> this
> > again.
> >
> > Here are my photo's sorry it's a huge dump and kinda out of order.
> >
> >
> > ~Hugh
> >
> > “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep
> moving.”
> > ― Albert Einstein
> >
> > http://velocipeedemusings.com/
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Joe Bunik  wrote:
> >>
> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/sets/72157667527929894
> >>
> >> I don't think there could have been a weekend any better - my mind
> >> will be replaying this one on repeat for the foreseeable future! What
> >> a GREAT time and particular thanks go out to the Jacquie P. / David E.
> >> / Jim W. / Hugh S. quad-fecta for making this thing happen in the
> >> first place.
> >>
> >> I thought I'd only be able to swing up there for a short visit
> >> sometime Saturday at best but, thanks to both my fabulous wife's
> >> enablement and Esteban's encouragement, I knocked off early Friday,
> >> got my bag together, and hit the road for Marin.
> >>
> >> The West Point Inn is a 1904-era alpine lodge high up Mt. Tamalpais
> >> and only accessible by trail. Individual accommodations can be
> >> arranged, but thanks to incomparable WPI member Jacquie Phelan, we had
> >> the entire facility at our disposal. As the gang drifted into camp on
> >> Friday night, we enjoyed a great feed, good imbibement, and fine
> >> company.
> >>
> >> I dare say if the evening ended warm, Saturday dawned HOT - and, early
> >> - most of the cabins and the main building are eastward-oriented
> >> facing the SF Bay and thus little shelter from a 5:30am sunrise. Where
> >> was the fog, and why had it been replaced with a breeze that felt like
> >> a hot hair dryer?
> >>
> >> The best thing about having 25-30 people ready to go, a quiver of
> >> bikes available, and no hard agendas whatsoever was that splintering
> >> into 4 or 5 different riding groups felt totally fine. I had brought
> >> my Legolas, which I am always happy with on fire roads but a bit less
> >> sure of on technical/MTB-level descents (x42 Conti "Cross" tires just
> >> grazing the chainstays when the frame flexes) - so, I will need come
> >> back on something else to test the run-out on Eldridge Grade (though I
> >> heard afterwards it may have recently been leveled out some).
> >>
> >> Jim W., Esteban, Joe #2, and myself (all of us mid-size tire riders)
> >> opted for the ridgeline, ocean views of the Seven Sisters / BoFax
> >> pavement descent to Alpine Dam, where we branched onto the old flume
> >> road in the Lagunitas Creek canyon heading down towards Kent Lake.
> >> This fine track had some major mojo, and we agreed we'd made the right
> >> choice! The bill for all that descending came due upon arrival at the
> >> junction w/ Old Vee Rd., which was a triple chevron death march
> >> up-and-out to the next ridge. Throw in some stretches of blasting sun
> >> and those goddam biting horse flies only adding to the fun.
> >>
> >> Finally, we reached the open roads which would take us north into a
> >> more rolling hilltop and valley terrain, with several stretches of
> >> exposed boulder gardens for good measure. We left a decision of
> >> whether or not to pursue the Pine Mountain Truck Rd. loop TBD upon
> >> arrival. Far off across the valley, we spotted at least 3 suspicious
> >> characters (isn't that Manny wearing his red onesie?) climbing - or
> >> wait, are they walking? - up the grade we surmised must be PMTR. Dang,
> >> they'd beaten us to the next crossroads - and hence our paths wouldn't
> >> cross until later on in Fairfax. It was only getting later and hotter,
> >> so 

[RBW] Re: FS: 61 cm AHH (2014)

[Bob Cook]

Thanks, Deacon. That sentence was not meant to remain in the post.

My price is $4,000.

On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 2:39:00 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Hey Bob! Beautiful bike! List protocol says sellers name their price, as 
> we're not an auction site. 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 1:29:10 PM UTC-6, Bob Cook wrote:
>>
>> For a number of reasons it is time to part with my 61 cm A. Homer Hilsen, 
>> delivery of which I took from RBW July 1, 2014.
>>
>> I would like to avoid packing and shipping, so for the time being, local 
>> pick-up or delivery only. "Local" here meaning within 6 hours of eastern 
>> Iowa. "Delivery" here meaning I will be happy to meet a buyer halfway. 
>> Delivery to western or southern Michigan might be possible too, depending 
>> on schedules. Let's talk.
>>
>> *Highlights*
>> 61 cm AHH frameset, Waterford built (though two bottle mounts); excellent 
>> condition, no dings or scratches
>> Rich-built Velocity Dyad rims, White Industries MI5 36h rear, SON28 36h 
>> front, SKS P50 Longboard fenders, Compass Barlow Pass tires (ca. 100 mi)
>> Phil Wood BB
>> XT derailleurs, Silver downtube shifters, 11–32 8 sp cassette, Sugino 
>> 46/36/24 crankset
>> Paul Racer brakes, Dia Compe Gran Compe 202 non-aero levers
>> Mark's Rack, double-strutted, Schmidt EDelux upside-down
>> VO Chris's Rando bar + Tallux 8 cm
>> Brooks B17 Special saddle
>>
>> Recent pictures: 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/125863173@N06/albums/72157669740716511
>>
>> I am happy to include the Berthoud Alex Singer bag, the Topeak frame 
>> pump, the original Marathon Supreme 40 mm tires, and one or both of the 
>> other bar/stem combos this bike has seen: Noodle 46 cm + Tallux 9 cm; Grand 
>> Bois Randonneur + Tallux 9 cm (25.4 mm).
>>
>> The original bike, less labor, shipping, and a couple minor items I'm 
>> keeping, cost $5300. Reasonable offers entertained. (Original Sean Hipkin 
>> box art included, too, if you like.) Please message me privately. Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> Bob Cook
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Dirt Touring with Nitto Campee Lowriders - Front or back?

[Deacon Patrick]

I have yet to have difficulty getting through anywhere on singletrack 
because of my panniers, and I've never understood the "problem" except as 
one created by frame back marketers. The reality is my legs and feet are 
wider and lower than my rear bags, so if my front frame and carcass make it 
through, my bags are too. I am thankful for the stunningly hearty Scottish 
canvas of Sackville bags, as they handle all the branches and rock 
scrapping really well. Only the mud shows. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 1:16:20 PM UTC-6, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
> Please define dirt. If there is a lot of singletrack involved then low 
> flying bags can be a problem in some high density underbrush regions. But 
> if it's mostly double track and dirt road riding then they work great. 

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[RBW] Re: Dirt Touring with Nitto Campee Lowriders - Front or back?

[oldmangabe]

Front, duh. 

I've come to appreciate the challenge of riding narrow brushy/snowy single 
track with lowriders. So far the ass-over-teakettle moments have been fun. 
Plus the extra weight pretty much assures you keeping the front wheel 
planted on loose turns or steep climbs.  

Gabe

On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 7:24:16 AM UTC-7, Esteban wrote:
>
> I'm building up my Hunqua and planning some bike camping that will involve 
> as much dirt as possible. I have a front and rear Nitto Campee lowrider 
> rack - can anyone chime in from experience about impressions with either? 
> I've used both, but not on dirt and not on a Hunqua or Fatlantis...
>
>  This is under-bikepacking, hobo-style camping, so no framebags for me on 
> this rig. I do pack rather light, though - two panniers and a rando bag 
> does the trick.
>
> Esteban
> San Diego, Calif.
>

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[RBW] Re: Dirt Touring with Nitto Campee Lowriders - Front or back?

[Bill Lindsay]

I'm with Mark, but only by instinct and inclination.  Mark has the 
experience to back it up.  My new dirt touring build has a Nitto Mt Campee 
front only.  No rear rack at all.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 12:24:07 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Front!!
>
> I did the Oregon Outback, a trans-Washington tour, and dozens of weekend 
> s24o's and winter camping trips with my Atlantis and Nitto Campee front 
> rack with Ortlieb Roller Plus panniers and a Wald basket (or Swift Ozette 
> bag). Works wonderfully. It just handles so well. Sometimes I'd have a 
> Carradice Camper saddlebag on the back as well if I needed some extra cargo 
> room.
>
> On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 2:16:20 PM UTC-5, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>>
>> Please define dirt. If there is a lot of singletrack involved then low 
>> flying bags can be a problem in some high density underbrush regions. But 
>> if it's mostly double track and dirt road riding then they work great. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: 61 cm AHH (2014)

[Deacon Patrick]

Hey Bob! Beautiful bike! List protocol says sellers name their price, as 
we're not an auction site. 

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 1:29:10 PM UTC-6, Bob Cook wrote:
>
> For a number of reasons it is time to part with my 61 cm A. Homer Hilsen, 
> delivery of which I took from RBW July 1, 2014.
>
> I would like to avoid packing and shipping, so for the time being, local 
> pick-up or delivery only. "Local" here meaning within 6 hours of eastern 
> Iowa. "Delivery" here meaning I will be happy to meet a buyer halfway. 
> Delivery to western or southern Michigan might be possible too, depending 
> on schedules. Let's talk.
>
> *Highlights*
> 61 cm AHH frameset, Waterford built (though two bottle mounts); excellent 
> condition, no dings or scratches
> Rich-built Velocity Dyad rims, White Industries MI5 36h rear, SON28 36h 
> front, SKS P50 Longboard fenders, Compass Barlow Pass tires (ca. 100 mi)
> Phil Wood BB
> XT derailleurs, Silver downtube shifters, 11–32 8 sp cassette, Sugino 
> 46/36/24 crankset
> Paul Racer brakes, Dia Compe Gran Compe 202 non-aero levers
> Mark's Rack, double-strutted, Schmidt EDelux upside-down
> VO Chris's Rando bar + Tallux 8 cm
> Brooks B17 Special saddle
>
> Recent pictures: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/125863173@N06/albums/72157669740716511
>
> I am happy to include the Berthoud Alex Singer bag, the Topeak frame pump, 
> the original Marathon Supreme 40 mm tires, and one or both of the other 
> bar/stem combos this bike has seen: Noodle 46 cm + Tallux 9 cm; Grand Bois 
> Randonneur + Tallux 9 cm (25.4 mm).
>
> The original bike, less labor, shipping, and a couple minor items I'm 
> keeping, cost $5300. Reasonable offers entertained. (Original Sean Hipkin 
> box art included, too, if you like.) Please message me privately. Thanks.
>
> --
> Bob Cook
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Dirt Touring with Nitto Campee Lowriders - Front or back?

[Deacon Patrick]

I pack my truckSack with my food on the front mini-rack, the rest on the 
back. Works perfectly for me (too much weight up front drives me batty, not 
than I need help getting there!). However, from others' experiences, you 
can't go too wrong in general, and you'll learn best what works for you 
from experience. Of course, my way is the right and best way. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 8:24:16 AM UTC-6, Esteban wrote:
>
> I'm building up my Hunqua and planning some bike camping that will involve 
> as much dirt as possible. I have a front and rear Nitto Campee lowrider 
> rack - can anyone chime in from experience about impressions with either? 
> I've used both, but not on dirt and not on a Hunqua or Fatlantis...
>
>  This is under-bikepacking, hobo-style camping, so no framebags for me on 
> this rig. I do pack rather light, though - two panniers and a rando bag 
> does the trick.
>
> Esteban
> San Diego, Calif.
>

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[RBW] FS: 61 cm AHH (2014)

[Bob Cook]

For a number of reasons it is time to part with my 61 cm A. Homer Hilsen, 
delivery of which I took from RBW July 1, 2014.

I would like to avoid packing and shipping, so for the time being, local 
pick-up or delivery only. "Local" here meaning within 6 hours of eastern 
Iowa. "Delivery" here meaning I will be happy to meet a buyer halfway. 
Delivery to western or southern Michigan might be possible too, depending 
on schedules. Let's talk.

*Highlights*
61 cm AHH frameset, Waterford built (though two bottle mounts); excellent 
condition, no dings or scratches
Rich-built Velocity Dyad rims, White Industries MI5 36h rear, SON28 36h 
front, SKS P50 Longboard fenders, Compass Barlow Pass tires (ca. 100 mi)
Phil Wood BB
XT derailleurs, Silver downtube shifters, 11–32 8 sp cassette, Sugino 
46/36/24 crankset
Paul Racer brakes, Dia Compe Gran Compe 202 non-aero levers
Mark's Rack, double-strutted, Schmidt EDelux upside-down
VO Chris's Rando bar + Tallux 8 cm
Brooks B17 Special saddle

Recent 
pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/125863173@N06/albums/72157669740716511

I am happy to include the Berthoud Alex Singer bag, the Topeak frame pump, 
the original Marathon Supreme 40 mm tires, and one or both of the other 
bar/stem combos this bike has seen: Noodle 46 cm + Tallux 9 cm; Grand Bois 
Randonneur + Tallux 9 cm (25.4 mm).

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[RBW] Re: 700c Tire Advice

[Mark Reimer]

Barlow Pass on my 700C Atlantis. They're dreamy. And Compass has released 
some teaser shots of a new 44mm 700C tire coming out soon, which is also 
tubeless ready. That'll be my next tire for sure. 

On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 11:05:47 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> I have the 700 X 35mm Pasela Tourguards  on my PX-10  and in 4 or 5 years 
> of commuting and 1 '1/2 - 2 hr rides  (not in winter and not in rain, if I 
> can help it since there is NO room for fenders and very tight clearance , 
> esp  the rear tire ) I think I've only had 2  or 3 flats that I can 
> remember. Dumb luck, I know, but my experience with Pasela tourguards 
>  (used 26 X 1.5 on my allrounder and X0-1) has been really quite good in 
> terms of durability and flat history.
>
> Using Compass 26 X 1.5 McClure's on X0-1 and allrounder ; for the X0-1 , I 
> like them a lot but they are probably more susceptible to flats. Suppler 
> tires, that's for sure.
>
> And I have 700 X 32 Stampede Pass extralights on my Riv road and I have to 
> say, they're nicer riding and certainly lighter than the 700 X 32 Pasela 
> Tourguards they replaced. Naturally, I don't commute on the Rivs, but a lot 
> of you are of the opinion that Schwalbes are very tough and well-made and 
> more reliable for regular every day commuting. 
>
> My personal feeling when it comes to tires is that you likely get what you 
> pay for, to some extent...it may not be the best place to economize, since 
> they do very much influence how the bike rides.
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 7:19:55 PM UTC-5, BenG wrote:
>>
>> I rode Pasela Tourguard in 700x35 for a year and flatted once on a busy 
>> street; Lil Bens for 2 years no flats; 700x50 Big Bens for 1.5 years now, 
>> no flats. Feel the sidewalk cracks much less through 50's than 40's.  I 
>> like 50 for commute comfort and 40 for zipping around lightly. No more 
>> Pasela for me.
>
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[RBW] Re: Dirt Touring with Nitto Campee Lowriders - Front or back?

[Mark Reimer]

I should have added, all the trips I mentioned were off road. Some were 
just on dirt and gravel roads, some on grassy double track, some on rooty 
single track. It was great all the time

On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 2:24:07 PM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Front!!
>
> I did the Oregon Outback, a trans-Washington tour, and dozens of weekend 
> s24o's and winter camping trips with my Atlantis and Nitto Campee front 
> rack with Ortlieb Roller Plus panniers and a Wald basket (or Swift Ozette 
> bag). Works wonderfully. It just handles so well. Sometimes I'd have a 
> Carradice Camper saddlebag on the back as well if I needed some extra cargo 
> room.
>
> On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 2:16:20 PM UTC-5, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>>
>> Please define dirt. If there is a lot of singletrack involved then low 
>> flying bags can be a problem in some high density underbrush regions. But 
>> if it's mostly double track and dirt road riding then they work great. 
>
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[RBW] Re: Dirt Touring with Nitto Campee Lowriders - Front or back?

[Mark Reimer]

Front!!

I did the Oregon Outback, a trans-Washington tour, and dozens of weekend 
s24o's and winter camping trips with my Atlantis and Nitto Campee front 
rack with Ortlieb Roller Plus panniers and a Wald basket (or Swift Ozette 
bag). Works wonderfully. It just handles so well. Sometimes I'd have a 
Carradice Camper saddlebag on the back as well if I needed some extra cargo 
room.

On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 2:16:20 PM UTC-5, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>
> Please define dirt. If there is a lot of singletrack involved then low 
> flying bags can be a problem in some high density underbrush regions. But 
> if it's mostly double track and dirt road riding then they work great. 

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[RBW] Dirt Touring with Nitto Campee Lowriders - Front or back?

[Daniel Jackson]

Please define dirt. If there is a lot of singletrack involved then low flying 
bags can be a problem in some high density underbrush regions. But if it's 
mostly double track and dirt road riding then they work great. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Tire wear question. When to replace?

[Patrick Moore]

I can't directly answer your question, but in my own personal experience of
riding around Albuquerque over the last 25+ years, I've found that very
light tires are not always prone to more flats -- this in an area where
99/100 flats are from goatheads, and not glass, nails, or other debris. For
example, Conti Grand Prix/GP 4000s (65C X 23), and 650C X 23 Michelin Pro
Race 4s, and 559 X 23 Specialized Turbos got no more flats than 559 X 1.25
non T Paselas and, in fact, not many more than 559 X 1.35 Kojaks, taking
mileage into account.

Also IME, flats fall into 2 kinds: those like goathead flats, where the
tire picks up a thorn which is either flung off before it fully penetrates,
or else which acts as a sort of partial plug, so that the leak is very
gradual -- I did not discover most of my flats until the next day. The
second type (only 1% or so) is from nails or staples; these go right
through the tread and casing and the deflation is very rapid.

After riding many miles and years both with and without tire savers, I have
to admit that I can't really point to any great advantage for using them.
OTOH, someone I knew here in ABQ, who once told me, "9,000 miles last year;
it was a bad year," swore by them. Meanwhile, I'm holding on to my stash,
even though modern sealants make all of this largely academic.


On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 12:20 PM, Reed Kennedy  wrote:

>
>
> I wonder if less rubber might hold debris less firmly, and the
> puncture-causers might be more likely to fall off as you ride. Perhaps
> resulting in fewer flats?
>
>
> Reed
>
> On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Lungimsam  wrote:
>
>>
>> Since the tread wore off last summer I told myself I'd keep riding 'til
>> the casing started to show or the next flat.
>> Been carrying around a spare on rides ever since.
>> Ran through a field of glass on a century last weekend and got a flat and
>> replaced the tire on the spot.
>> Interesting thing is that when I got home, thinking the old tire was worn
>> out, I cut it in half to look at the wear to see if I got every penny out
>> of it.
>>
>> No! I think I could have ridden much longer on it. Casing and tread
>> thickness at edge of file tread with no wear on that line/area where it
>> meets herringbone tread, where you don't ride on it is 2mm. Casing and
>> tread in deepest worn area was 1.2mm.
>> So, its like I only wore the tread down half way? Unless somehow the
>> riding tread was thicker than 2mm? But the squared off area is very narrow
>> so not a lot of space to go thicker than 2mm? Wonder how thick it was to
>> start.
>>
>> Pics below. Just for fun I threw in a pic of the foldable bead.:
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: RBW List takes over West Point Inn

[cyclotourist]

Great to read the ride reports from the other groups. We split into an
initial three groups Saturday morning, based on
speed/distance/terrain. I ended up going with the last group on what
was billed as the shorter/smoother ride. I don't know about all that,
but 34 miles later, I wasn't turning down an offer to shuttle back to
the WPI!!! Wish I could have dragged this weekend out and gone for
more rides with you folks up there! Even with the heat, it was
fantastic!

My pics from the weekend in mostly chronological order:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/albums/72157667635974003



On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 12:32 PM, Hugh Smitham  wrote:
> Thanks Joe for a spot on accounting of this past weekend...like you I'm
> still processing what a magical time I had with all of you. Need to do this
> again.
>
> Here are my photo's sorry it's a huge dump and kinda out of order.
>
>
> ~Hugh
>
> “Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance, you must keep moving.”
> ― Albert Einstein
>
> http://velocipeedemusings.com/
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 27, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Joe Bunik  wrote:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/sets/72157667527929894
>>
>> I don't think there could have been a weekend any better - my mind
>> will be replaying this one on repeat for the foreseeable future! What
>> a GREAT time and particular thanks go out to the Jacquie P. / David E.
>> / Jim W. / Hugh S. quad-fecta for making this thing happen in the
>> first place.
>>
>> I thought I'd only be able to swing up there for a short visit
>> sometime Saturday at best but, thanks to both my fabulous wife's
>> enablement and Esteban's encouragement, I knocked off early Friday,
>> got my bag together, and hit the road for Marin.
>>
>> The West Point Inn is a 1904-era alpine lodge high up Mt. Tamalpais
>> and only accessible by trail. Individual accommodations can be
>> arranged, but thanks to incomparable WPI member Jacquie Phelan, we had
>> the entire facility at our disposal. As the gang drifted into camp on
>> Friday night, we enjoyed a great feed, good imbibement, and fine
>> company.
>>
>> I dare say if the evening ended warm, Saturday dawned HOT - and, early
>> - most of the cabins and the main building are eastward-oriented
>> facing the SF Bay and thus little shelter from a 5:30am sunrise. Where
>> was the fog, and why had it been replaced with a breeze that felt like
>> a hot hair dryer?
>>
>> The best thing about having 25-30 people ready to go, a quiver of
>> bikes available, and no hard agendas whatsoever was that splintering
>> into 4 or 5 different riding groups felt totally fine. I had brought
>> my Legolas, which I am always happy with on fire roads but a bit less
>> sure of on technical/MTB-level descents (x42 Conti "Cross" tires just
>> grazing the chainstays when the frame flexes) - so, I will need come
>> back on something else to test the run-out on Eldridge Grade (though I
>> heard afterwards it may have recently been leveled out some).
>>
>> Jim W., Esteban, Joe #2, and myself (all of us mid-size tire riders)
>> opted for the ridgeline, ocean views of the Seven Sisters / BoFax
>> pavement descent to Alpine Dam, where we branched onto the old flume
>> road in the Lagunitas Creek canyon heading down towards Kent Lake.
>> This fine track had some major mojo, and we agreed we'd made the right
>> choice! The bill for all that descending came due upon arrival at the
>> junction w/ Old Vee Rd., which was a triple chevron death march
>> up-and-out to the next ridge. Throw in some stretches of blasting sun
>> and those goddam biting horse flies only adding to the fun.
>>
>> Finally, we reached the open roads which would take us north into a
>> more rolling hilltop and valley terrain, with several stretches of
>> exposed boulder gardens for good measure. We left a decision of
>> whether or not to pursue the Pine Mountain Truck Rd. loop TBD upon
>> arrival. Far off across the valley, we spotted at least 3 suspicious
>> characters (isn't that Manny wearing his red onesie?) climbing - or
>> wait, are they walking? - up the grade we surmised must be PMTR. Dang,
>> they'd beaten us to the next crossroads - and hence our paths wouldn't
>> cross until later on in Fairfax. It was only getting later and hotter,
>> so we decided to forego this latter half of Hugh's "Dirty Middle
>> Route" and instead explore the northern San Geronimo Ridge fireroads
>> that lead up to nice singletrack on White's Hill.
>>
>> Passing Repack Rd., a cryptic chalk mark was placed in hopes of
>> greeting/baffling Hugh's Rough Riders when they eventually made their
>> way around the loop. Moving northward out of MMWD lands, more rocks
>> encountered until finally we were back in the woods and the soil. We
>> could almost smell lunch cooking at the brewery just over the ridge.
>> Skirting Tamarancho on a nicely groomed, steep trail descending
>> through redwoods closed out the first half of the day as we rolled
>> into 

[RBW] Re: Yet another Appaloosa Build

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The only way that trio could be closer to my dream stable would be if the 
Appaloosa was a Bombadil!!  

Nice bike!



On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at 7:52:00 PM UTC-5, Keith Muller wrote:
>
> Ryan, 
>
> I like the look of the current M9000 XTR, but everyone has the 
> preferences.  I have it setup on my Hunqapillar.  I've got different setups 
> on all my Rivs, my common theme is fat tires.  I also enjoy Phil, CK, WI, 
> and Paul parts.  I have them on all my bikes.  It might offend some, but I 
> built up my Appaloosa to be my B bike, though it is still pretty sweet. 
>
> Keith 
>
> On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at 2:53:35 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote: 
> >  Your bike looks really  good...that box is not the Riv box, correct?  I 
> love the mustard colour, the saddle  and the older  XTR cranks...I have 
> those cranks on my SS PX-10 , but the logo is buffed off from usenice 
> cranks though. Have to say the new XTRs don't look as nice to my eyes. 
> Clunky looking. In some ways , the early to mid nineties were the sweet 
> spot for good-looking components once the urge to colour- anodize 
> everything wore offnot that a little bling is totally a bad thing. 
> ...and Paul, WI, CK and Phil Wood make really nice components.  
> > 
> > On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 9:14:43 PM UTC-5, Keith Muller wrote:Mostly 
> finished up my Appaloosa build tonight.  Pretty happy with how it turned 
> out.  Just waiting on my dynamo lighting to show up so I can finish it off. 
> > Keith 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Tire wear question. When to replace?

[Reed Kennedy]

Great info, thanks! I've long had theories about how this might go, but
it's great to have images with solid information!

Random thought: I wonder if thinning the outer rubber on a tire could,
under some circumstances, lead to less flatting? Hear me out...

As we can all tell by looking at used tires, the rubber part doesn't
provide much resistance to pictures or cuts. I believe it is the casing
that provides most of the flat resistance. And while you'll sometimes have
something punch all the way through in one go, most of my flats seem to
come from something getting embedded in the rubber and then pushed in
further and further with every rotation of the tire. That's the whole
theory behind tire wipers.

I wonder if less rubber might hold debris less firmly, and the
puncture-causers might be more likely to fall off as you ride. Perhaps
resulting in fewer flats?


Reed

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Lungimsam  wrote:

>
> Since the tread wore off last summer I told myself I'd keep riding 'til
> the casing started to show or the next flat.
> Been carrying around a spare on rides ever since.
> Ran through a field of glass on a century last weekend and got a flat and
> replaced the tire on the spot.
> Interesting thing is that when I got home, thinking the old tire was worn
> out, I cut it in half to look at the wear to see if I got every penny out
> of it.
>
> No! I think I could have ridden much longer on it. Casing and tread
> thickness at edge of file tread with no wear on that line/area where it
> meets herringbone tread, where you don't ride on it is 2mm. Casing and
> tread in deepest worn area was 1.2mm.
> So, its like I only wore the tread down half way? Unless somehow the
> riding tread was thicker than 2mm? But the squared off area is very narrow
> so not a lot of space to go thicker than 2mm? Wonder how thick it was to
> start.
>
> Pics below. Just for fun I threw in a pic of the foldable bead.:
>
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[RBW] Re: Yet another Appaloosa Build

[Keith Muller]

Michael,

It is the 32F.  It mounted up fine.  The mount on the fork crown requires some 
creative spacer placement on the backside of the crown.

Keith

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[RBW] Re: Yet another Appaloosa Build

[Jim D Massachusetts]

 Kai,   I would be really interested to see how the choco-moose 
bars work on a Clem. I was thinking of the same swap on my stock Clem. 
 Jim D Massachusetts

On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 10:58:44 PM UTC-4, Kainalu wrote:
>
> This is a beautiful bike! 
> I'm waiting on a Clem in the same paint minus the creamy head tube. I've 
> even got some choco-mooses ready to swap out. 
> -soon 65 Appaloosan'ted Kai
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[RBW] Re: Clementine Climbs a Mountain

[Jim D Massachusetts]

I cannot wait to see the Clem hop.Jim D 
Massachusetts

On Wednesday, June 29, 2016 at 12:52:50 AM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> You've lost me. What part of recommending to the designer ad nauseam that 
> he lower the bottom bracket drop and shorten the chain stays on a 
> particular model is figurative, not literal? Personal experience is great. 
> You made an interesting point about the relationship between bb height and 
> chain stay length and how it might affect frequency of pedal strike.
>
> RBW Owners Bunch is not exactly a fan club, but it's also not a group 
> redesign project. The reason you think that this sort of feedback is 
> precisely the type of thing you would be looking for if you were building 
> bikes is because, you don't build bikes. If Grant took every opinion or bit 
> of feedback appearing here, and made bicycles based on that, you'd get...a 
> SpeGiarek, complete with disc brakes. Or more likely, nothing. Obviously he 
> works with rider feedback on his bicycles, but everyone with an opinion on 
> the internet? Probably not as much when it comes to technical details like 
> these. 
>
> Why Richard Sachs builds his road bicycles with the exact same 8cm bb drop 
> as the 700c Clems (but with 25-28mm tires, rather than 50+, which should 
> make up for the longer stays). His explanation also on why he doesn't 
> technically do custom frames:
> http://www.richardsachs.com/site/2012/01/16/my-last-custom-made-frame/
>
> It's not like Grant hasn't thought of these things. From an online forum 
> deep in the internet undergrowth:
>
> *Re: How much is too much bb drop?* 
>>
> When I was building for Rivendell, Grant wanted to experiment with how low 
> we could go. I built some frames with increasingly lower bb's. Crank length 
> is one consideration but it's less critical than one might think. The 
> bigger consideration is the angle between the seat tube and chain stays. 
> With a laid back seat tube angle like 72 and more than 80mm (say 85+) of bb 
> drop, the front der doesn't work effectively and sometimes the cage hits 
> the chain stays. I like building road bikes around 80mm of bb drop but 
> won't go lower than that. *Curt Goodrich*
>
> Okay, that's it from me on the bb and cs of Clems! But a video of a Clem 
> curb hop, coming this way!!
>
> On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at 10:23:31 PM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>>
>> Of course nothing in bicycles is a totally clean sheet, obviously they've 
>> been making them forever. Much of what I said was figurative,  not sure why 
>> everything here is so literal?
>> Personally,  if I was building bikes this sort of feedback is precisely 
>> the type of thing that I would be looking for. A bunch of people sitting 
>> around saying how great everything is seems a bit disingenuous. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Yet another Appaloosa Build

[Michael Morrissey]

Is that the Nitto 32F mini on the front?  Does it fit perfectly?  That 
looks great!

m

On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 10:14:43 PM UTC-4, Keith Muller wrote:
>
> Mostly finished up my Appaloosa build tonight.  Pretty happy with how it 
> turned out.  Just waiting on my dynamo lighting to show up so I can finish 
> it off.
>
> Keith
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[RBW] Re: 700c Tire Advice

[Ryan Fleming]

I have the 700 X 35mm Pasela Tourguards  on my PX-10  and in 4 or 5 years 
of commuting and 1 '1/2 - 2 hr rides  (not in winter and not in rain, if I 
can help it since there is NO room for fenders and very tight clearance , 
esp  the rear tire ) I think I've only had 2  or 3 flats that I can 
remember. Dumb luck, I know, but my experience with Pasela tourguards 
 (used 26 X 1.5 on my allrounder and X0-1) has been really quite good in 
terms of durability and flat history.

Using Compass 26 X 1.5 McClure's on X0-1 and allrounder ; for the X0-1 , I 
like them a lot but they are probably more susceptible to flats. Suppler 
tires, that's for sure.

And I have 700 X 32 Stampede Pass extralights on my Riv road and I have to 
say, they're nicer riding and certainly lighter than the 700 X 32 Pasela 
Tourguards they replaced. Naturally, I don't commute on the Rivs, but a lot 
of you are of the opinion that Schwalbes are very tough and well-made and 
more reliable for regular every day commuting. 

My personal feeling when it comes to tires is that you likely get what you 
pay for, to some extent...it may not be the best place to economize, since 
they do very much influence how the bike rides.



On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 7:19:55 PM UTC-5, BenG wrote:
>
> I rode Pasela Tourguard in 700x35 for a year and flatted once on a busy 
> street; Lil Bens for 2 years no flats; 700x50 Big Bens for 1.5 years now, 
> no flats. Feel the sidewalk cracks much less through 50's than 40's.  I 
> like 50 for commute comfort and 40 for zipping around lightly. No more 
> Pasela for me.

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[RBW] WTB: Nitto 33R Large Rear Rack with Double Pannier Rail

[Bob B]

I'm building up for a week-long camping trip and thought I'd check if there 
was one of these here before buying a new one. I could offer $175 (shipped) 
but am flexible on that number.

If anyone has one sitting around and not in use, please reply off-list.

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[RBW] Re: Yet another Appaloosa Build

[Bill Lindsay]

That is one hell of a triple threat line up right there. 

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[RBW] Re: Yet another Appaloosa Build

[Ryan Fleming]

Your idea of a B bike is someone's A+ bike. I like the looks of all your 
bikes and I like mixing nice parts on my own fleet

On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at 7:52:00 PM UTC-5, Keith Muller wrote:
>
> Ryan, 
>
> I like the look of the current M9000 XTR, but everyone has the 
> preferences.  I have it setup on my Hunqapillar.  I've got different setups 
> on all my Rivs, my common theme is fat tires.  I also enjoy Phil, CK, WI, 
> and Paul parts.  I have them on all my bikes.  It might offend some, but I 
> built up my Appaloosa to be my B bike, though it is still pretty sweet. 
>
> Keith 
>
> On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at 2:53:35 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote: 
> >  Your bike looks really  good...that box is not the Riv box, correct?  I 
> love the mustard colour, the saddle  and the older  XTR cranks...I have 
> those cranks on my SS PX-10 , but the logo is buffed off from usenice 
> cranks though. Have to say the new XTRs don't look as nice to my eyes. 
> Clunky looking. In some ways , the early to mid nineties were the sweet 
> spot for good-looking components once the urge to colour- anodize 
> everything wore offnot that a little bling is totally a bad thing. 
> ...and Paul, WI, CK and Phil Wood make really nice components.  
> > 
> > On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 9:14:43 PM UTC-5, Keith Muller wrote:Mostly 
> finished up my Appaloosa build tonight.  Pretty happy with how it turned 
> out.  Just waiting on my dynamo lighting to show up so I can finish it off. 
> > Keith 
>
>

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[RBW] Dirt Touring with Nitto Campee Lowriders - Front or back?

[Esteban]

I'm building up my Hunqua and planning some bike camping that will involve 
as much dirt as possible. I have a front and rear Nitto Campee lowrider 
rack - can anyone chime in from experience about impressions with either? 
I've used both, but not on dirt and not on a Hunqua or Fatlantis...

 This is under-bikepacking, hobo-style camping, so no framebags for me on 
this rig. I do pack rather light, though - two panniers and a rando bag 
does the trick.

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

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Re: [RBW] Three under 50 mile Dirt Road loops from Frederick Maryland

[Gravel & Grind]

Jeff, check out gambrill state park, Cunningham falls state park, little
Bennett's hike in camp spot and greenbrier state park. They're all sorta
close and it would be easy to map something out that includes them. Check
out Michaux for legal back country camping.

James

On Wednesday, June 29, 2016, Jeff Lesperance 
wrote:

> Thanks - these look great! Are there spots around any of these routes that
> provide for safe/non-prohibited camping to turn them into an s24o? As it
> can be tough to wrangle a day of solo riding from my general family
> commitments, when I can I try to turn such events into overnight trips. If
> I could bike or hitch a ride from Silver Spring up to Frederick, then ride
> n' camp I figure I could bike my way home on day two.
>
> -Jeff
> Silver Spring, MD
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2016 at 3:50 PM, Gravel & Grind Espresso + Bikes <
> gravelandgr...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
>> Thought this might be of interest to DC area Riv folk.  We just put a new
>> article up on our journal.  It details 3 dirt road rides that leave from
>> Frederick and explore different areas of the county.  Cue sheets and points
>> of interest included.  We’re working on an August RBOB and BOB coffee
>> outside trip, and one of these routes will be included on that trip.  Stay
>> tuned for details and poster on that soon.  Article here
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Re: [RBW] Three under 50 mile Dirt Road loops from Frederick Maryland

[Jeff Lesperance]

Thanks - these look great! Are there spots around any of these routes that
provide for safe/non-prohibited camping to turn them into an s24o? As it
can be tough to wrangle a day of solo riding from my general family
commitments, when I can I try to turn such events into overnight trips. If
I could bike or hitch a ride from Silver Spring up to Frederick, then ride
n' camp I figure I could bike my way home on day two.

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD

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gravelandgr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Thought this might be of interest to DC area Riv folk.  We just put a new
> article up on our journal.  It details 3 dirt road rides that leave from
> Frederick and explore different areas of the county.  Cue sheets and points
> of interest included.  We’re working on an August RBOB and BOB coffee
> outside trip, and one of these routes will be included on that trip.  Stay
> tuned for details and poster on that soon.  Article here
> .
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>
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[RBW] Re: Seeking advice - where would you turn to, to try to sell non-Rivvy bikes?

[Jon Craig]

Because it's forbidden to sell non-Rivlike things here, or even really 
discuss them. :)

I'm actually glad this thread was allowed to stand.

On Tuesday, June 28, 2016 at 1:59:58 PM UTC-4, pb wrote:
>
> Why not start here, or on the BOB list, or at least provide links to your 
> listings elsewhere?
>
> ~pb
>
>
>
> On Monday, June 27, 2016 at 4:20:00 AM UTC-7, Jon Craig wrote:
>
>> So, buying a Sam for me and a Sam for the wife, before selling Our Other 
>> Bikes(tm) was painful financially, but Sams are available when they're 
>> available, and they were at A1 (our local Riv dealer, thankfully we have 
>> one!) .. .so we bought them.
>>
>> But now our old bikes need sold - and the only place I know of to list 
>> them is Craigslist, which I've done.  They're listed in our local CL, the 
>> next big-city CL (Indianapolis) and the next big city further (Bloomington, 
>> IN).  Not a lot of interest.
>>
>> Is there another place to sell bikes online? I mean other than eBay of 
>> course, which I'm thinking of too.
>>
>> (They're high-ish-value Specialized full-carbon endurance geo road bikes.)
>>
>>

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