Re: [RBW] Re: Odds of a Fully lugged tandem happening?

[cyclotourist]

Bob Brown will build any tandem you ask for:
http://www.bobbrowncycles.com/gallery_tandem.htm

On Mon, Jul 18, 2016 at 7:15 PM, Will  wrote:
> I'm guessing Riv, having made tandem design work, would accept custom
> orders.
>
> They might have to fudge with some filet brazing, but I think that would be
> acceptable to the cognocenti.
>
> On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 2:12:24 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I would place the odds at somewhere between 5% and 15%.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, Ca
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[RBW] Re: Anyone try the new Maxxis Torch 29 x 2.10 tires?

['frank_a' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Mine measure at 51 x 51 mounted on Mavic A719 rims.

- Frank

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[RBW] Re: Odds of a Fully lugged tandem happening?

[Will]

I'm guessing Riv, having made tandem design work, would accept custom 
orders. 

They might have to fudge with some filet brazing, but I think that would be 
acceptable to the cognocenti. 

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 2:12:24 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I would place the odds at somewhere between 5% and 15%.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, Ca
>

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe #3

['frank_a' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Edit:
Predictive text changed "diam." to diamond in the Nitto stem response post.
- F.

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[RBW] Rosco Bubbe #3

['frank_a' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I dialed things in a bit...I changed the saddle to a B-68 and the cranks from 
170 to 175. The longer crank seems to work better for this set-up. While there 
is no frame pump peg it's not a problem. The Topeak Master Blaster 54-59 pump 
fits perfectly between the tubes and doesn't budge.

I'm looking forward to seeing how the other RB's turn out.

- Frank

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[RBW] Less expensive 650b alternatives to Compass/GB tires?

[Lynne Fitz]

I like the Hutchinson Confriere 650b tires, myself.  I'd LIkE to like a Compass 
tire, but 38 is too wide for my bike.  Tried the GB Cypres, for me, they were 
flat magnets.

I buy them from XXCycle in France.

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe #3

['frank_a' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The stem is an older Nitto- I think it's an MT-11. You can still get them with 
a 25.4 quill diamond. But this one is 22.2. 

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[RBW] FS/T: Magnic Light; Nitto 34F Big front rack for Nitto R-14 top rack plus cash

[franklyn]

Hi, Everyone,

I have one of these Nitto Big Front Rack 
. 
I had it for a while and it was sitting in my garage. Today I tried it put 
it on my Kogswell and realized that the rack mounts on hourglass braze-ons 
above the mid-fork braze-on's which the Kogswell doesn't have. While 
P-clamp could be a solution, it's not one that appeals to me. The only bike 
in my fleet that has these hourglass braze-ons is my Rawland, which sports 
a semi-porteur rack from Haulin Colin, and I have a Tubus low-rider rack to 
add pannier carrying capacity if the occasion demands panniers. 

So I am letting this one go. I would prefer to trade it for a Nitto R-14 
top-rack plus some cash. I can also sell it straight-up ($115 plus 
shipping, which should be less than $20 in CONUS), but I prefer the trade. 

I also have a set of first generation magnic light 
. These were from the initial 
kickstarter and does not come with standlight and are dimmer than the 
second generation ones. But they do work once you set them up properly. I 
am fairly settled with dynamo hubs/light and these become superfluous. $75 
shipped for the pair, including two of these mounting adapters 

. 

Contact me offlist if you are interested,
Franklyn
Berkeley, CA

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[RBW] Re: eCLEM

[Surlyprof]

I got to ride a Butcher and Bicycles MK1e Cargo Bike in Copenhagen and 
thought it was the ultimate car replacement.  Unfortunately, I think it 
also costs as much as my truck!

John

On Monday, July 11, 2016 at 11:56:07 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Cargo bikes are where I see e-assist being the most relevant application 
> for bicycles. I use it for fun and to cover longer, hillier distances than 
> I normally would, but where it really comes in as car replacement is when 
> you can do heavy hauling trips you would never do without the motor. 

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[RBW] Re: Odds of a Fully lugged tandem happening?

[Deacon Patrick]

Good news! Any tandem can be fully lugged (up stairs, over hills and dales, 
across creeks and rivers...
Grin.

I would put the chance is greater than zero (because statistically it has 
to be) and less than anything measurable even with modern micro 
calibration. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 12:02:33 PM UTC-6, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> The current tandem is full tig i think?
> Someone correct if wrong.
>
> If this run is successful do you think riv will one day put out a full lug 
> version?
>
> Or would that price it out too high?
>
> Reason i ask is because lugs are so riv.
> But this may be only shot at a riv tandom of any breed ever.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rosco Bubbe #3

[Surlyprof]

What a truly unique and fun bike. I got to see a similar colored one at Riv 
HQ this weekend.  That flat green may now be my favorite Riv color ever.  

Congrats on taking such a worthwhile leap.
John

On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 12:25:40 PM UTC-7, frank_a wrote:
>
> I picked up my Rosco this morning and got it built up in short order. I 
> used a mix of stuff I had around. I went with 58cm Bosco bars. The saddle 
> is a B72 and the tires are an old set of Continental Top Touring 47's. 
>  I built it up as a  non-aggressive cruiser. With that said, it also has 
> the feel of a fun and spirited neighborhood bomber. The big, round profile 
> tires are perfect. And yes. it rides like a Rivendell!
>  I'm glad I took the leap.  
>
>  https://www.flickr.com/photos/8531240@N06/albums/72157668229592923
>
>  - Frank
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Odds of a Fully lugged tandem happening?

[Metin Uz]

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 11:30:06 AM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
>
>  Maybe not a Riv brand, but you can certainly get a custom lugged tandem 
> that rides just as well or better, depending on preferences from Bilenky in 
> Philly. 
>
>>
>>
Given that Bilenky asks for an additional $7,000 over their fillet brazed 
model, I question if this mythical beast even exists. I know Pogliaghi 
built lugged tandems, which required fillet brazing a frame and then 
cutting it up to make lugs, since nobody makes a lug set for a tandem.

 

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[RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[Surlyprof]

BBH was pretty barren when we arrived after our ride.  Still, its sheer 
existence was the catalyst for a really fun ride all around Shell Ridge. 
 Thanks to Dave for rallying the group and Joe and Tony for guiding us 
through some great trails in their neck of the woods.  There was even 
enough water in a few of the creekbeds to provide a hard-earned racing 
stripe up my back!  Followed by a beer in a Walnut Creek taproom and a trip 
to Riv HQ.  Not a bad way to spend a Saturday.

Thanks for a fun ride guys.
John


On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 3:29:11 PM UTC-7, Justin August wrote:
>
> I've been out of the country so maybe I missed the announcement. I just 
> saw on the Radavist that BBH was closing. Was this known or new info?
>
> -Justin 
>

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[RBW] Odds of a Fully lugged tandem happening?

[Bill Lindsay]

I would place the odds at somewhere between 5% and 15%.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, Ca

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[RBW] Bags, Saddle, Front Wheels for sale.

[Coconutbill]

Had difficulty finding the pm feature on my phone. Perhaps you could contact me 
in regards to the carradice, thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Odds of a Fully lugged tandem happening?

[Garth]

 Maybe not a Riv brand, but you can certainly get a custom lugged tandem 
that rides just as well or better, depending on preferences from Bilenky in 
Philly. 


On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 2:02:33 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> The current tandem is full tig i think?
> Someone correct if wrong.
>
> If this run is successful do you think riv will one day put out a full lug 
> version?
>
> Or would that price it out too high?
>
> Reason i ask is because lugs are so riv.
> But this may be only shot at a riv tandom of any breed ever.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Cunningham medical fund

[Ryan Fleming]

I should correct what I said earlier...apologies

Riv will match up $1500.00 up to July 20...does not  seem to matter whether 
you're  a Riv customer or  not

>From Riv's post:

*Rivendell Bicycle Whorls RBW*
*18 hours ago *

  


*OK now, here's a chance to give CC (via JP) a minor-major shove. From now 
until Wed-the-20th at 5pm, RBW will match all donations up to a maximum of 
$1,500. So...C & J could have $3K more by then. Have tried this in the past 
with almost no uptick, but consider that your $20 donation will actually 
add $40. Let's go! *


On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 10:37:13 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> As an FYI, it looks like RBW is matching donations from Rivendell members 
> dollar-for-dollar until July 20, which is very generous of them
>
> On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 9:20:29 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>>
>> Her most recent update isn't a good one: 
>> https://www.gofundme.com/w85tn3dg
>> Sounds like she's getting run-down in the caregiver role. :-(
>>
>> On Friday, October 23, 2015 at 8:01:58 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>>
>>> Jaquie P. has been posting more updates on Charlie's condition and 
>>> recovery of late.
>>>
>>> Stop by when you have the time and continue to spread the word - 
>>> https://www.gofundme.com/w85tn3dg
>>>
>>> - Jim / cyclofiend.com
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Are Velocity Atlas 650b rims discountinued?

[Garth]

   
  That is a Velocity issue, just email them !  

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[RBW] Odds of a Fully lugged tandem happening?

[Lungimsam]

The current tandem is full tig i think?
Someone correct if wrong.

If this run is successful do you think riv will one day put out a full lug 
version?

Or would that price it out too high?

Reason i ask is because lugs are so riv.
But this may be only shot at a riv tandom of any breed ever.

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[RBW] Re: Escape to Rampart Reservoir

[Lungimsam]

Mule deer velvet bartape...

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[RBW] Re: Less expensive 650b alternatives to Compass/GB tires?

[Lungimsam]

Thats funny! Im at the buffet right now!!

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[RBW] Re: Less expensive 650b alternatives to Compass/GB tires?

[Brian Campbell]

Unfortunately, you can't use someone else's experience and equate it as 
equal to your own experience.  Maybe skip the indian buffet lunch for a 
month or two to offset the cost of tires you know you like vs. the ones you 
don't know much about? ;-)

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[RBW] Re: Less expensive 650b alternatives to Compass/GB tires?

[Deacon Patrick]

On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 9:29:54 AM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
"Am I actually missing something or just have it stuck in my head...? 
 Probably more the latter."
>
>
My experience tells me otherwise. Because of my bludgeoned brain, I'm a bit 
of a canary in the coal mine in being ultra sensitive to real influences 
that cost us all in ways we may not realize (and ofter are a non-issue 
because a more functioning brain can filter out things mine can't). I 
absolutely notice a difference between supple wall tires without protection 
and beefier tires. I lose significantly more brain energy to the noticeably 
more jarring rides of the Clement MSO's (Quickbeam) and Smart Sams 
(Hunqapillar) vs the far more supple and smooth ride (on the same jouncy 
trail the same day, same conditions) with the Compass Barlow Pass 
(Quickbeam) and the Thunderburts (Hunqapillar). That's when I realized the 
benefit of supple tires was well worth it for me.

Is that ride delta significant enough to justify the cost delta? That 
depends on your calibration to jarring and the costs you pay for it.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: FS: 61cm Rivendell Atlantis F/F/HS

[Mark Reimer]

Alexander, I have a 58cm Atlantis from 2006 I believe, basically the exact 
same frame with the same chain ring scratch. WOuld you be interested in a 
direct trade? No accidents, dents, etc. Mine has always been a touch too 
small for me

On Sunday, July 17, 2016 at 7:16:49 PM UTC-5, Alexander Ferguson wrote:
>
>
> For Sale:
>
> 61cm Rivendell Atlantis (F/F/HS) in very good condition with minor 
> scratches, no dents...the bike has never been in an accident. There is one 
> nasty scratch on the chain stay where the chain came off and lodged between 
> frame and crank.
>
> I purchased this bike new in 2007 which will make it a Toyo build I 
> believe. It has been on several fantastic tours with it's maiden trip to 
> Ireland...I am selling the frame due to the sizing has always been a tad 
> too large for me. 
>
> Asking $1,700 
>
> I would prefer a "local" sale but will consider packing and shipping-
>
> See more images at the Craigslist posting-
>
> here is a link to the local PDX Craigslist ad I am running: 
> http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/5683747048.html
>
> Thanks for looking!
>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Cunningham medical fund

[Ryan Fleming]

As an FYI, it looks like RBW is matching donations from Rivendell members 
dollar-for-dollar until July 20, which is very generous of them

On Sunday, February 28, 2016 at 9:20:29 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Her most recent update isn't a good one: https://www.gofundme.com/w85tn3dg
> Sounds like she's getting run-down in the caregiver role. :-(
>
> On Friday, October 23, 2015 at 8:01:58 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>> Jaquie P. has been posting more updates on Charlie's condition and 
>> recovery of late.
>>
>> Stop by when you have the time and continue to spread the word - 
>> https://www.gofundme.com/w85tn3dg
>>
>> - Jim / cyclofiend.com
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Less expensive 650b alternatives to Compass/GB tires?

[Tony DeFilippo]

I picked up 2 sets of the parimotos for less than the price of a single set of 
EL compass/GB last year... Still going strong on that first pair of parimotos 
but I think about what I am missing from the EL's every ride!  :)

Am I actually missing something or just have it stuck in my head...?  Probably 
more the latter.  

I have EL 32's on my Bob Jackson and EL 48's on my Bombadil, both are totally 
worth it.  

I think for me the potential for tire envy outweighs the high prices of Compass 
tires, at least this morning.

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[RBW] Re: Escape to Rampart Reservoir

[Deacon Patrick]

Mule deer. They shed their antlers annually and regrow in the 
spring/summer, the velvet providing the blood supply, which gives their 
antlers the rounder, softer look of caribou till it sluffs off in a mangy, 
bloody mess before rutting season. Though, come to think of it, they could 
be caribou on the lamb from the local tourist attraction The North Pole, 
off the Pikes Peak highway. That would explain their dodgieness, desire for 
food on the move, avoiding major roads, and working their way North. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, July 17, 2016 at 10:38:55 PM UTC-6, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> That is great that you were able to dial up the wattage and make your 
> escape!
>
> Are those Caribou?
>
> Nice shots, as always! Thanks for sharing. I always enjoy your rambles. 
>

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[RBW] Are Velocity Atlas 650b rims discountinued?

[Nikita R]

I tried to find them in stock in 32h and failed... The only option seems to 
be the Velocity web store, but they don't ship to the UK

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Re: [RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[Nick Huemmer]

Yeah - how does buying a bike and associated bits compare with buying other
consumer goods?I don't mind paying a premium for bike parts (and boy,
have I!) and equipment (within reason) but I always wonder if consumers are
turned away from buying bikes because they see them as so expensive and the
bikes they are willing to pay for are shoddy.  Then, many are willing to
finance buying a car they can't really afford.  We live in a strange place.

One other observation I've made is that Surlys seem to get more and more
expensive while having seemingly lower component specs ("entry level"
components, I hate the term).  A brand new Cross Check or similar from an
LBS is *expensive*.

Personally, I feel like BBH was a great store but ahead of its time and in
the wrong location.  Foot traffic in WC especially around that mall seem
more interested in shopping the Apple Store and Vineyard Vines, but not
interested in pine tar (awesome), wool (indispensable) and hatchets (fun
and useful).

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 5:11 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> It is sad that they are closing. Maybe it is the economy-to-price-of-goods
> ratio these days. I don't know.
>
> I think it is difficult to sell bikes/parts in the USA these days. If you
> have read the Rivendell readers, you know of RBW's struggles through the
> years.
>
> Quality cycling gear is a very expensive now *in the USA*. I don't know
> if it is the economy or what.
> I'm not talking Target/WalMart/Sears. I am talking *LBS and up*.
> *Go into any LBS*. How many people *in the USA* can afford to shell out
> 900$ for an entry level road bike these days? 40$ gloves? A 65$ helmet? $80
> shoes?
>
> It is too bad that these great bikes (LBS, RBW, Boulder, Weigle,
> Litespeed, etc.) aren't financially accessible to everyone.
> *Maybe it is not so much the helmets keeping people from cycling, but the
> prices the market bears these days.*
>
> CIA factbook today says that "per capita GDP of $54,800" in USA. How many
> want to/are able to buy a 1000$ US bike and the parts? How many can you
> sell in this economy?
>
> Sometimes I think the US cycling industry is going to implode on itself if
> the prices get much higher.
>
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Less expensive 650b alternatives to Compass/GB tires?

[Philip Kim]

The blackwall wirebead paselas Riv sells were surprisingly excellent for 
the $38. The folding bead is barely an upgrade in terms of ride 
characteristics IMO.

On Sunday, July 17, 2016 at 3:15:52 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> I have enjoyed mine, but they...are...soexpensive When you add in 
> shipping it comes to like 70+ bucks per tire for the Loup Loups. Love these 
> tires and highly recommend them, though.
>
> So I am looking around to see if there are any similarly built tires that 
> are less expensive out there, in the 30+mm wide range but not wider than 
> 38mm.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Less expensive 650b alternatives to Compass/GB tires?

[Ron Mc]

I ride about 4000 mi/year.  My oldest and most frequent riding buddy 
probably a bit more than half that.  I only ride soft tires.  He mostly 
rides city/tough tires.  
I average less than one flat/year.  He seems to average about two/year. 
 Maybe the difference is I pay more attention to where I put my tire.  

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Re: [RBW] Less expensive 650b alternatives to Compass/GB tires?

[Garth]

   And yet Steve, many people do ride "armored" tires and even add flat 
strips and all kinds of stuff and it does not deter their enjoyment .  

While nice clinchers are nice, tubular wheels and tires are still even 
better.  I used to ride tubulars for a while , surely really nice, but no 
part or bike is the end all all-that. They were wonderful but not so 
transforming that I HAD to ride them absolutely. Regardless of the 
circumstances and details, after a while you still forget about them and 
all your precious "individual details and parts" and the whole experience 
of just being where you are is all there is.



On Monday, July 18, 2016 at 6:43:39 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> A lousy tire can spoil all that.  I put a set of Specialized Nimbus 
> Armadillo tires on my commuter once.  Even though I was fanatical about 
> extracting every penny of value and made it a point to ride my tires 
> right down to the cords, those tires so utterly transformed the bike 
> that after only two weeks I'd had enough: I removed them and threw them 
> away. 
>
> I agree, the over-examined life is not worth living and paralysis by 
> analysis is far worse than merely picking some middle of the road choice 
> and getting on with life.  But considering how cheap cycling is in the 
> vast great scheme of things, if you know (as we do) what the best 
> choices (for several definitions of "best") are, for many of us the only 
> thing that makes sense is to get the best. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[ascpgh]

Grant has always held that cycling has a place for everyone, Walnut Creek 
may have gotten a bit too upmarket and urban with itself to permit that. I 
can remember objectifying a few of the top model mountain bikes in the 
earliest days, rare among what was already pretty rare as LBSs were slow to 
get into them. I knew from word of mouth, reading and a few chances to see 
and try one in the wild, that they were better than the average OEM bike. 
$1000 was the pie in the sky price those days, which is a joke now. Top 
floor planned models in the proximate Trek-a-lized showroom retail for more 
than my first new motor vehicle. Inflation does not account for that 
catapulting of prices.

The average person needing transportation, practical to their situation, 
really makes bicycling daunting and unapproachable in the US. I remember 
Kona and their Africa bikes that targeted these needs of people completely 
elsewhere. Seems like we need a similar product here to remove the class 
barrier. A continual differentiation of cycling and cycling sport between 
the US and the world. That audience doesn't respond to advertising, 
frequent retail yet alone buy new.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh 



On Sunday, July 17, 2016 at 8:11:23 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> It is sad that they are closing. Maybe it is the economy-to-price-of-goods 
> ratio these days. I don't know.
>
> I think it is difficult to sell bikes/parts in the USA these days. If you 
> have read the Rivendell readers, you know of RBW's struggles through the 
> years.
>
> Quality cycling gear is a very expensive now *in the USA*. I don't know 
> if it is the economy or what. 
> I'm not talking Target/WalMart/Sears. I am talking *LBS and up*.
> *Go into any LBS*. How many people *in the USA* can afford to shell out 
> 900$ for an entry level road bike these days? 40$ gloves? A 65$ helmet? $80 
> shoes?
>
> It is too bad that these great bikes (LBS, RBW, Boulder, Weigle, 
> Litespeed, etc.) aren't financially accessible to everyone.
> *Maybe it is not so much the helmets keeping people from cycling, but the 
> prices the market bears these days.*
>
> CIA factbook today says that "per capita GDP of $54,800" in USA. How many 
> want to/are able to buy a 1000$ US bike and the parts? How many can you 
> sell in this economy?
>
> Sometimes I think the US cycling industry is going to implode on itself if 
> the prices get much higher.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Less expensive 650b alternatives to Compass/GB tires?

[Ron Mc]

Hi Jim, all I've ordered from Grand Bois are the Binda repro toe straps - 
they are the highest quality.  I can't tell you what the shipping will be 
for tires, but they will use Express mail.  The most I've ever spent on 
shipping from Japan was $35, and that was a custom fly rod in a trapezoidal 
box to make it just under 5' long (and meet shipping requirements).  You 
place an order without knowing the shipping cost.  They send you a 
confirmation e-mail, and a second e-mail with a paypal invoice including 
shipping.  So if you like it, you pay it.  I assume it cancels if you 
don't.  
Regards

On Sunday, July 17, 2016 at 9:20:48 PM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote:
>
> $51 for Extra Leger Lierres, $37 for regular ones, per current 
> exchange rates on xe.com, that's pretty good. 
>
> How do you get them shipped to the US?  The Grand Bois site is very 
> Japanese heavy.  When I try to use Google Translate it tells me the 
> page is already in English. 
>
> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 7:28 PM, Ron Mc  
> wrote: 
> > check Grand Bois JY is still over 100 to the $ 
> > http://www.cyclesgrandbois.com/SHOP/T650_F36_EL.html 
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[RBW] Re: Less expensive 650b alternatives to Compass/GB tires?

[Michael Hechmer]

I love the Compass tires on my Ram and on the tandem, but I have also 
gotten many happy miles from three different pairs of Pari-Motos.  What we 
want from a tire depends  lot on the kind of riding we do.  I live in a 
rural area and mostly ride country roads and extensive bike trails so flats 
are not a major concern.  When I commuted into Burlington every day I 
wanted a carefree tire and rolling resistance was at best a secondary 
concern.  My Saluki is happy with Fatty Bumpkins and I always ride them 
when I'm going into town or other bad roads.  They don't have the snap of 
the Compass tires but otherwise roll along just fine.

I don't think tires our a good place to economize; they have too much 
impact on both safety and enjoyment.  I would recommend that a rider think 
about what kind of riding he mostly does and what he wants from the tire 
and then get the best he can afford.  To paraphrase Bontrager.  You can get 
great performance, great resilience, great price.  Choose any two.

Michael

On Sunday, July 17, 2016 at 3:15:52 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> I have enjoyed mine, but they...are...soexpensive When you add in 
> shipping it comes to like 70+ bucks per tire for the Loup Loups. Love these 
> tires and highly recommend them, though.
>
> So I am looking around to see if there are any similarly built tires that 
> are less expensive out there, in the 30+mm wide range but not wider than 
> 38mm.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Less expensive 650b alternatives to Compass/GB tires?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 07/18/2016 03:46 AM, Garth wrote:

If you want a broader perspective on other tires you reaĺly gotta search the 
web.   There are lots of tires, each unique so while I understand comparing 
them ultimately such comparisons are meaningless as they only reveal a sense of 
self limitation in which their really are none.

While having a nice bike and tires is great , these iare not necessary to  
enjoy yourself. How jaded we become as adults, forgetting the joy of childhood 
when simply riding was an adventure.  The bike details were largely forgotten, 
the ride was everything.  Speed, road feel, bike feel, this that and the other 
feel .. gawd  paralysis by analysis !Compared to what? I ask .. 
More comparisons ?  Where is the foundation of these claims? There isn't one. 
See how silly all this is ?!

The best ride is right where you are



A lousy tire can spoil all that.  I put a set of Specialized Nimbus 
Armadillo tires on my commuter once.  Even though I was fanatical about 
extracting every penny of value and made it a point to ride my tires 
right down to the cords, those tires so utterly transformed the bike 
that after only two weeks I'd had enough: I removed them and threw them 
away.


I agree, the over-examined life is not worth living and paralysis by 
analysis is far worse than merely picking some middle of the road choice 
and getting on with life.  But considering how cheap cycling is in the 
vast great scheme of things, if you know (as we do) what the best 
choices (for several definitions of "best") are, for many of us the only 
thing that makes sense is to get the best.


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[RBW] Less expensive 650b alternatives to Compass/GB tires?

[Garth]

If you want a broader perspective on other tires you reaĺly gotta search the 
web.   There are lots of tires, each unique so while I understand comparing 
them ultimately such comparisons are meaningless as they only reveal a sense of 
self limitation in which their really are none.

While having a nice bike and tires is great , these iare not necessary to  
enjoy yourself. How jaded we become as adults, forgetting the joy of childhood 
when simply riding was an adventure.  The bike details were largely forgotten, 
the ride was everything.  Speed, road feel, bike feel, this that and the other 
feel .. gawd  paralysis by analysis !Compared to what? I ask .. 
More comparisons ?  Where is the foundation of these claims? There isn't one. 
See how silly all this is ?!

The best ride is right where you are

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