[RBW] FS: Quickbeam Wheelset

[cyclotourist]

Rivendell original Quickbeam wheelset. Suzue tall flange hubs. 32 spokes.
Freewheel included, but q/r skewers are not. Low mileage, dry California
lifestyle. 100mm front, 120mm rear spacing.

$100 total, *shipped* to your home or place of business. Paypal, check,
cash, whatever works.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

['clayton bailey' via RBW Owners Bunch]

When tires are manufactured, the inside of the molds are sprayed with a 
substance to make the rubber release after cooking them. Until that thin 
coating wears off, the tires can be quite slippery. I learned this in the 
motorcycle world, where it is VERY important to know your tires and what 
affects their traction. Don't ask how I learned this important lesson. 
Clayton

On Friday, August 19, 2016 11:59 AM, Lungimsam  
wrote:
 

 What do you mean by "mold release".

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[RBW] Re: 26x1.75-2" tire recommendations

[drew]

Thanks all. I'm putting these on some fairly wide rims, so it seems like 1.75 
may be the safest bet and give me a fender option.

And the bars are 54cm

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[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

[Lungimsam]

Thats odd because Heine states that tge tread rubber is super grippy even in 
rain,iirc.

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[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

[Lungimsam]

Fir all Compass tires, iirc.

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[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

[dstein]

Mark - take James word over mine, I'm not a fan of riding in the rain in 
general and don't have many tires to compare it for wet riding conditions. 

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[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Wow. No grip in wet conditions and short tread life are not things I've 
hear about the RTP up till now. I have a pair, but only rode them briefly 
before I took apart the bike they were on. I am in the process of building 
a different bike and plan to use these tires. This will be mainly a 
commuting machine (heard they were not bad regarding flats, but plan to run 
them with tubes that have a squirt of Orange Seal just in case. In any 
case, just about any bike I build these days has to be for commuting;^) but 
obviously leery of a slippery when wet tire. Of course I expect any tire to 
let go at some point while cornering in the rain, but usually it is the 
cheaper tires with harder compounds. The fact that the guy directly behind 
you wiped in the same spot makes me wonder--could there have been something 
else on the road that day? 

On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 8:42:33 PM UTC-4, Gravel & Grind Espresso + 
Bikes wrote:
>
> I’ve had ‘em on my Hunqapillar for about half a year.  I commute, do fire 
> roads, single track with rocks, short dirt road tours.  Tread wear is as to 
> be expected from such a light tire.  Paselas they are not, for durability 
> on the tread.  They also don’t grip nearly as well as Paselas, as I found 
> when corning in the rain, and my whole bike flew out from under me, as did 
> the guy’s bike right behind me, riding the same tire.   
>
> Pluses:  great ride quality, I run em around 30 psi.  Low weight.  Look 
> great.  
> Downsides:  super thin.  They flat on any little sharp object.  Not gunna 
> last more than 2000 miles, for me at least.  Maybe 1500, really.  Expensive.
>
> Tubeless:  I didn’t want to run mine tubeless, but I set them up that way 
> after repeatedly flatting on them.  2-3 flats for a weekend tour.  Can’t 
> handle that.  I used orange seal enduro sealant and tape, and Stan’s 
> valves.  No flats since, and that was 5 months ago.  
>
> Recommendation: get em if light weigh, supple, basically bald tires sound 
> like they might fit your riding style, and you are willing to convert to 
> tubeless.  As a rule, when setting them up on customers bikes, I urge 
> tubeless conversions, and most of the 12 pair or so I’ve sold go out the 
> door tubeless.  
>
> -james
> co-owner of Gravel & Grind
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 7:16:59 PM UTC-4, Patch T wrote:
>>
>> They've been out for just over a year now, yeah? More? 
>>
>> Who has been riding them extensively, and can share some solid feedback? 
>> Where and how do you ride them? On what? With whom? And why?!?!
>>
>> I'm interested in getting the Standards, but would like to read about the 
>> Extralights, too.
>>
>> (If there's already the same thread, apologies, I searched but couldn't 
>> find it)
>>
>> Love,
>> Patch
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 26x1.75-2" tire recommendations

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The Powerblocks come in at exactly 50mm on Araya RM 17 rims (1.97). Don't 
know the specs on these rims but the R17s appear a bit on the narrow side 
for 26" wheels. Might be a bit close for comfort if you only have 56mm 
clearance.

On Friday, August 19, 2016 at 5:17:44 PM UTC-4, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Based on a recommendation by Jimmy L., I have been happy with the Tioga 
> Power Blocks on my tandem the last couple months. Good on gravel & dirt as 
> well as pavement. They are advertised as 2.1" but are not knobby and I have 
> them on slightly undersized rims. Will measure when I get home.
>
> On Wednesday, August 17, 2016 at 8:15:03 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>>
>> I got used to having bikes with real big clearances and overestimated my 
>> capability on this 84 trek 890 I'm working on. 2.1 knobby tires are rubbing 
>> a bit (measure 2.5 at the knobs)
>>
>> This bike is going to be used on mostly on pavement and fire roads, no 
>> crazy trails or extreme mud. My wife is pretty cautious.
>>
>> Calipers say I have 56mm clearance at the tightest spot, and I'd like to 
>> go as big as possible. I guess that means something like a 1.75 with knobs, 
>> or a 2.0 slick that maybe measures a bit smaller. 
>>
>> Puncture protection and longevity > suppleness
>>
>> Seems like there are a lot of really low end hybrid type tires that fit 
>> this bill but not sure if any are worth the time. 
>>
>> Ideas?
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Racin' Dragonflies!

[René Sterental]

Beautiful!!!

On Friday, August 19, 2016, William R.  wrote:

> Colorado is stunningly beautiful in the summer time. I was lucky enough to
> spend four there. Still, the east has its own beauty. I love observing the
> bugs, birds and critters on my early morning rides.
>
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Re: [RBW] ISO: Triple front derailer with flat cages

[René Sterental]

I had to go to a 126mm wide BB so the René Herse crankset could clear the
Atlantis chainstays. With the Sugino crankset I had before, the BB was a
110-113, I think. I forgot to measure it.

Regarding the rub you're getting, perhaps you need to tweak the
position/rotation of the FD slightly? I was having some issues on the Homer
when I did the Lake Tahoe ride, and at one of the stops, I asked one of the
mechanics to take a look at it. He rotated it slightly and the shifting
improved tremendously. It had originally been set by RBW and I hadn't
touched it. It is a triple Campagnolo FD, I can't remember the model now.
It's the one RBW used to sell.

I was able to adjust the SunXCD, which I also have on the Betty and on both
it shifts perfectly, even with the smooth RH rings. I compared it to the
CX70 and visually, the cages were virtually identical in length. I have a
spare one here, so I can post photos comparing both to see if anyone can
pick any differences. The CX70 is not completely silver, though...

The custom Rex will get the front and rear Sun XCD derailleur set as well,
I like it so much.

René

On Friday, August 19, 2016, Lungimsam  wrote:

> Thanks, Rene.
> I am guessing you are on a 110 bb?
>
> I like the SunXCD stuff. I have the rear derailer on Bleriot.
> Looking to eventually get both on my Rambouillet. For now I have the Deore
> stock RBW build derailers. Nothing wrong with them, of course, but I am
> getting a lot of rub in the FD in middle and outer rings. Perhaps the flat
> cage will help. I guess it depends on if it is wider than the bumps on the
> Deore cage.
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[RBW] Re: Racin' Dragonflies!

[William R.]

Colorado is stunningly beautiful in the summer time. I was lucky enough to 
spend four there. Still, the east has its own beauty. I love observing the 
bugs, birds and critters on my early morning rides.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

[dstein]

I have the standards on a hunqapillar and love them. I was sort of thinking 
of selling my hunq due to too much overlap but after putting some RTP on 
them it has breathed new life (into an already awesome bike, but one that 
was setup w/ knobbies and used mostly for trail riding). I've used them in 
all kinds of riding conditions and come to the conclusion I can keep them 
on year round except for the rainy season in northern california. A little 
slippery in rain as James pointed out. Not great with loose sand or mud 
(which is a given since they're knobbies, but I still pushed its limits and 
found out the hard way), otherwise great for road, fire roads, singletrack, 
etc.

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[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

[Beardpapa]

I have the standards. I first road them on a loaner bike in Seattle. The 
dreamy ride motivated me to build up a bike that could take em. They roll 
as fast as the Babyshoe Pass (650B) and Barlow Pass (700) on my other bikes 
with even more pillowy float. I haven't tried them on trails or dirt yet. 
Highly, highly recommended. 


On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 6:16:59 PM UTC-5, Patch T wrote:
>
> They've been out for just over a year now, yeah? More? 
>
> Who has been riding them extensively, and can share some solid feedback? 
> Where and how do you ride them? On what? With whom? And why?!?!
>
> I'm interested in getting the Standards, but would like to read about the 
> Extralights, too.
>
> (If there's already the same thread, apologies, I searched but couldn't 
> find it)
>
> Love,
> Patch
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

[Steve Palincsar]

You also want to remove it from the tread of a brand new tire, for the 
same reason.



On 08/19/2016 03:42 PM, Scott Loveless wrote:

A mold release agent, typically silicon-based, is applied to the mold
used in the production of tires and tubes.  It's what gives them their
shiny appearance when new.  It's also slick.  When you repair a tube
with a patch, the purpose of sanding is to remove the mold release
agent so the patch, vulcanite glue and tube can bond properly.

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:

What do you mean by "mold release".




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Re: [RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

[Scott Loveless]

A mold release agent, typically silicon-based, is applied to the mold
used in the production of tires and tubes.  It's what gives them their
shiny appearance when new.  It's also slick.  When you repair a tube
with a patch, the purpose of sanding is to remove the mold release
agent so the patch, vulcanite glue and tube can bond properly.

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> What do you mean by "mold release".
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[RBW] Re: ISO: Triple front derailer with flat cages

[Hunter Ellis]

In response to Tim Gavin up above, I have had some trouble with a Suntour 
FD (XC sport, not Cyclone) not having enough range to move between the 
inner and outer chainring. Granted, with a different BB and stock 
Chainrings I might have been able to get it to work, but that is something 
to keep in mind. 

On Friday, August 19, 2016 at 8:18:10 AM UTC-7, Hunter Ellis wrote:
>
> Boulder Cycles has a great Deore LX triple for $20. There's a little black 
> on there IIRC but its mostly silver
>
> On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 4:01:12 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>
>> You never know , a few years ago I bought 2 great vintage Deore fd from 
>>  a seller on ebay for a song.  While they were not new in box there was no 
>> sign of any use at all.  These were few models later than the original 
>> Deore , all silver and flat inside the cage. I run one on my Bomabil and 
>> the other for another bike. I prefer the flat style every day of the year 
>> too.
>>
>> You may not need a triple though, I use a 105 double with a 24/36/50 on 
>> one bike and it works fine. I think it was a 5500 or maybe 5600 model, from 
>> about '99 or 2000.  You can find such vintage ones and other models from 
>> lower lines that used 8 or 9 speed also on ebay , even some are NOS. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Wool Shirts/Jerseys

[Hunter Ellis]

So a mini-review:

 I got a cheap ($35) 100% merino wool TShirt from Amazon from a place 
called WoolX. I was skeptical but it was cheap so I figured I'd take the 
risk. When I opened it, it felt a little scratchy, so I wrote them and 
asked if it would soften up, but that I was afraid to wear it and wash it 
because I might have to return it. Their customer service was great--they 
said I could wear it and wash it and still return it if it wasn't 
comfortable. I've worn it on 5 rides now and washed it once and its gotten 
quite comfortable, though I get a little more "wet sheep" smell than I did 
with an older, different Merino Tshirt.

The fit is good for cycling, but it is different than a standard tee. I 
usually wear a medium (I'm a pretty tall, pretty slim guy), and this one is 
very fitted. Good for biking, but if I was a little wider or if I wanted a 
more casual look I'd get a large. The sleeves are pretty long--almost to 
the elbows--but again, more sun coverage, which is good where I live. 

All in all, an affordable piece of gear that works well and doesn't look 
"bikey", which I like. Now if only it had some pockets in the back ;-)



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>
> I'm not generally a fan of bicycle-specific looking clothing, but love 
> this vintage-inspired, San Francisco-made all wool jersey by Orqo: 
> http://www.orqo.co/products/jersey. 
>
> Cheers,
> Sean
>
> On Saturday, August 13, 2016 at 7:44:36 AM UTC-7, Surlyprof wrote:
>>
>> I've had pretty good luck with a few Smartwool items I bought on sale at 
>> Sierra Trading Post (long sleeve under $50). Get on their email list and 
>> watch for good deals (particularly when they offer a discount and free 
>> shipping).  Otherwise, their prices are pretty average.  I think I also 
>> bought a few from the REI Outlet (now called REI Garage).  I'd buy 
>> Icebreaker too if they went on as deep discount as Smartwool.
>>
>> John
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

[Patch T]

Thanks both of you. 

I'm a small guy, and live in a very dry Los Angeles. Wanting to build an 
old Trek mtb I found into an overnighter road+dirt camper/tourer. Thinking 
these may still fit my bill. 

James, are you running the Extralights or Standards? Have you experienced 
both? Worried about sidewall protection, as rocks out here get big & sharp. 

Rod, have you been carrying much poundage on these?

Both of you's, are you heavy dudes or light or in-between?

I did find more info over at iBob, and am learning of the layover between, 
but would still like to put this out there to Riv folks.

Thanks again all.


On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 4:16:59 PM UTC-7, Patch T wrote:
>
> They've been out for just over a year now, yeah? More? 
>
> Who has been riding them extensively, and can share some solid feedback? 
> Where and how do you ride them? On what? With whom? And why?!?!
>
> I'm interested in getting the Standards, but would like to read about the 
> Extralights, too.
>
> (If there's already the same thread, apologies, I searched but couldn't 
> find it)
>
> Love,
> Patch
>
>
>

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[RBW] WTB: 650B Red Hetres 42mm

[Adama]

WTB: 650B Red Hetres 42mm...just curious if you've got 'em and can't use 
'em.  As part of the buy/trade, I can throw in some SOMA Express 
 38mm that I love and have 
plenty of mileage left on them.

Best,
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[RBW] Re: Some recent Gravel & Grind Riv builds and a last plug for our Riv and B-stone owners Bunch Ride Sunday the 14th

[Lungimsam]

Wow! I just looked at some of their ride routes and they look spectacular.
I hope to get out and do some from time to time. Especially this fall. They 
will make great training rides for the centuries I hope to do, too.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Covered Bridge Metric Century, Lancaster PA 8/21

[Steve Palincsar]

Back in the day, they didn't have a total rider limit and they allowed 
pacelines.  After several years with a number of bad crashes, they 
decided to cut back on the number of riders and actively discourage 
pacelines.  Bike VA bans pacelines for the same reason.  Pacelines may 
be just dandy for a relatively small group of experienced, practiced 
people who know each other and have trained together, but with a large 
mix of total strangers of varying skill levels, pacelines can become 
very dangerous indeed.



On 08/19/2016 05:36 PM, Lungimsam wrote:

I was glad to see that they discouraged pacelines  in their mailer.

I guess after the ride I'll have to hose off any mud from the inside of my 
fenders.

I'll have to remember to unscrew the lid before drinking from my water bottles.



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[RBW] Re: Racin' Dragonflies!

[Lungimsam]

Dragonflies can track stand, too! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Covered Bridge Metric Century, Lancaster PA 8/21

[Lungimsam]

I was glad to see that they discouraged pacelines  in their mailer.

I guess after the ride I'll have to hose off any mud from the inside of my 
fenders.

I'll have to remember to unscrew the lid before drinking from my water bottles.

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[RBW] Re: ISO: Triple front derailer with flat cages

[Lungimsam]

Tandem frame flexing alot in the middle?
BTW, I really enjoyed your Rambouillet pics on the Rambouillet site!

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[RBW] Re: Racin' Dragonflies!

[sameness]

Man, some days I really miss living in Colorado. Thanks to your pics, today 
is one of them.

Jeff Hagedorn
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[RBW] Re: 26x1.75-2" tire recommendations

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Based on a recommendation by Jimmy L., I have been happy with the Tioga 
Power Blocks on my tandem the last couple months. Good on gravel & dirt as 
well as pavement. They are advertised as 2.1" but are not knobby and I have 
them on slightly undersized rims. Will measure when I get home.

On Wednesday, August 17, 2016 at 8:15:03 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> I got used to having bikes with real big clearances and overestimated my 
> capability on this 84 trek 890 I'm working on. 2.1 knobby tires are rubbing 
> a bit (measure 2.5 at the knobs)
>
> This bike is going to be used on mostly on pavement and fire roads, no 
> crazy trails or extreme mud. My wife is pretty cautious.
>
> Calipers say I have 56mm clearance at the tightest spot, and I'd like to 
> go as big as possible. I guess that means something like a 1.75 with knobs, 
> or a 2.0 slick that maybe measures a bit smaller. 
>
> Puncture protection and longevity > suppleness
>
> Seems like there are a lot of really low end hybrid type tires that fit 
> this bill but not sure if any are worth the time. 
>
> Ideas?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Hub Trub

[William R.]

>From time to time my hub does the catch skip when I start pedaling too. I 
am starting to think that these things are all inherent to the six-pawl 
design of this hub. If true, that would be a real shame because it is such 
a nicely designed hub and so easy to take apart. 

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[RBW] Re: ISO: Triple front derailer with flat cages

[Michael Hechmer]

RBW sells the Shimano CX70, which was designed for cyclocross dbls.  Has 
anyone tried it on a triple?  On my single bikes I find any derailler with 
a not too long cage works pretty well.  but the tandem seems to be much 
more demanding.  No doubt some of that comes from coordination between 
shifting and relaxing pedal pressure, and some of it comes from the extra 
long cables, but I suspect a third factor but haven't identified it.

When we got the tandem we initially had very poor front end shifting.  I 
replaced the recycled rings with new TA's, reduced the range in both front 
and back, went from an XTR to an Ultegra RD.  Everything worked great for 4 
or 5 years, then this year I broke the Campy SR FD and replaced it with an 
IRD.  Now I am struggling to get it working consistently.  I am not alone 
in this.  We do a couple of tandem rallies each year and I have noticed 
that a preponderance of mechanical problems involve front end shifting.

Michael

On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 5:23:02 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Anyone know of any new model triple front derailers that are al silver and 
> have flat cages, not any with those molded bump outs that can rub the chain?
>

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[RBW] Re: Wobble in my rear hub

[Deacon Patrick]

Hub update: Just needed an overhaul. 9 bearings were rusted and replaced. 
$16 all said and done, though I can't pick it up on the Quickbeam and my 
wife isn't going up there till Monday or Tuesday, so I'll be Quickbeaming 
it for the weekend (again, a harsh, harsh punishment. Grin).

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, July 30, 2016 at 7:35:21 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> There is a wobble in my rear hub (original to my Hunqapillar, Spring 
> 2012). I discovered it while inflating my rear tire for a fast curvy 
> descent on pavement on today’s ride. Called Rivendell (once I got 
> reception) and they said I should be fine riding it home (still with lots 
> of fast descent to go).
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[RBW] Racin' Dragonflies!

[Deacon Patrick]

You know it’s August round here when the dragonflies line up to drag race each 
other, let me crash the party, and spot me a moving head start. I still lost. 
Grin. 

In the first two photos is one of the ranches I pass nearly daily as it’s on 
the 5 mile jaunt to Woodland Park, from whence nearly all longer rides branch 
out.

It’s been amusing to watch the civil engineers and construction crews wage war 
against mother nature and her weapons of rain, decomposed granite, and gravity. 
You can see their latest attempt with the layers berms that are now mostly 
filled in after a few boomers. The ditch used to be six feet deep.

Blessedly cool day in the 60’s, headwinds up and they swapped directions while 
I was tucked in the hills, so I had them down too. Thunderstorm season likes to 
do that to me. Sardonic grin.

It is fun underbiking with the Quickbeam and Barlow Pass tires. Promotes 
sitting off the back of the seat for better braking on the single track 
descents.

Flowers are stunning and smell amazing. Bumble bees the size of 50 cent pieces 
land on these delicate things and plunk them down to the ground, gather their 
pollen, then fly off as the flower dances with delight.

All in all a grand way to while away three hours (45 min. of it lazing with a 
pipe in a meadow) and make a wee grocery run. Grin.

Pictures start here, scroll right
https://www.flickr.com/photos/deaconpatrick/29092811925/in/album-72157667890405824/
 

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Hub Trub

[Bill Lindsay]

Yes.  It is possible for a cassette body to have trouble catching when you 
start pedaling.  It's not good when it happens and if it was happening to me I 
would get it in front of a mechanic and do whatever it takes to make it stop. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 08/19/2016 12:10 PM, 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:


I have been using the ultra lights with the tan sidewall. The
sidewalls are translucent. Very, very light tires with a delicious
ride. Supple. Sort of like riding on just an inner tube as the tire.

When I first installed them, the front end washed out on clean dry
pavement and I wrecked. I blame the mold release on the tires
combined with the pressure at 40 psi.  After the crash,  I took a
long ride in the dirt to scrub the mold release off and now run
the tires at 30 psi, which seems ideal. I have been a little
reluctant to corner real hard (still have the road rash) but I'll
head to a parking lot one of these days and see how far I can lean
them. I rack the wreck up to operator error.(I knew about mold
release on tires).

If I was to purchase again, I'd get the standard, not the ultralights. 
The standards are really light.


Beware, once you are spoiled by the ride of these tires, it will be 
hard to take them off.


I haven't had them long enough to report on wear, but due to my wreck, 
I am thinking they might have a harder compound, and should last 
longer than they appear they would.




The light sidewalls on the Compass ELs make you think they're "event 
tires," but in fact they have a reasonably thick tread, the same 
thickness as the standard tires.  Unlike many "event tires" that for me 
last only about 1,000 miles, the Compass X-pass in 32mm and 28mm last as 
long as Grand Bois Cypres 32mm or Paselas.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Covered Bridge Metric Century, Lancaster PA 8/21

[Steve Palincsar]

On 08/19/2016 12:19 PM, Lungimsam wrote:

Thanks for the cue sheet, Steve.
Much easier to read.

Rambouillet doesn't have fenders yet. Need to get some 28mm tires for 
enough clearance.


Hopefully I will be on my fendered Bleriot.
I will have on an orange safety vest I bought from RUSA, says 
"Randonneurs USA" on it. Say "hi" as you all pass me. I am slow.




I've done this ride many times.  One time I was riding a bike with my 
then-brand new Berthoud bag.  A paceline of people with club jerseys 
went by and as she passed me, one woman snarkily asked me if "I had my 
little dog Toto" with me in the bag.


The following year, it rained in the morning.  I was at the Goodwill 
Store water stop and there she was, with a bunch of her mates, in those 
same club jerseys.  She was covered with road spatter, and I overheard 
her telling her friends how she had a bit of a skid and barely caught 
herself because of "mud on the road."


I walked up to her and told her that before it had gotten on the road, 
the last place that "mud" had been was inside of a horse, and that 
regardless of the spatter on her body and on her face, she would be all 
right as long as she did not lick her lips.


If it rains up there, you /really/ want to be on a bike with fenders.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Some recent Gravel & Grind Riv builds and a last plug for our Riv and B-stone owners Bunch Ride Sunday the 14th

[Deacon Patrick]

It's not a ride unless you LCG! Grin. (Lowest common gear, the one every 
bike has in common)

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, August 19, 2016 at 6:32:01 AM UTC-6, B. Keal wrote:
>
> As another plug for their rides, I went on a rather epic 53 miler with the 
> G folks sometime in July. Highlights included countless beautiful country 
> roads, a river swim stop, a ridiculously tough gravel climb that my legs 
> and Sam could not conquer without the help of my feet making contact with 
> the ground (AKA I walked), and a pitch dark single track and road descent 
> that ended after midnight. In short, it was tons of painful fun. 
>
> https://ridewithgps.com/routes/15010176
>
> Everybody was super nice, too, and the general vibe of the ride was 
> decidedly "just ride." Can't wait until the next time I'm able to join up.
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
>
> On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 8:46 PM, Gravel & Grind Espresso + Bikes <
> gravela...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> Just for the record, we do rides like this every Sunday night.  Check our 
>> facebook page for details on em, but they’re a regular thing, and the folks 
>> who come do the rides are all on the same basic program: smart bikes, go 
>> slow, ride hard stuff, find cool roads.  They just aren’t all Riv riders.  
>> So if this ride sounds up your alley, just come on a normal Sunday shop 
>> ride.  Meet at 4, wheels down at 4:30.  To check mileage or general ride 
>> direction, just check on FB or Instagram the day of the ride.  There’ll be 
>> something posted there...  -James  
>>
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[RBW] Re: Hub Trub

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks Bill. What I meant by the shifter not solving it was just to rule 
out it not being fully in gear, due to operator error or, as you wrote, a 
shifter that won't stay put.

I realize the stiff link is the easy check, but I've had those and it 
doesn't seem like the symptoms match--usually that will yank the rear mech 
around; this does not seem to be that. Will check tonight though. Can't 
swap wheels, all my others are 126 or 130.

Here is my question rephrased: Can this kind of 6-pawl, strong rear hub, 
which can push the chain forward when the bike is not being pedaled (I've 
experienced this), causing the droop and chain slack Westchester Bill is 
experiencing, be the root cause of this skipping, by having the now slack 
chain suddenly be jerked forward as the cyclist resumes pedaling 
(especially quick starts--seems to happen at those inconvenient times, 
accelerating to make a turn, start a hill, resume after a light), maybe 
making the first few links miss the engagement in the rear, as though it 
were slightly derailed? It happens regardless of what gear it is in.  Hope 
that makes sense. I have never experienced the kind of drive issues I've 
had here with any other rear wheel.



On Friday, August 19, 2016 at 1:52:26 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
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[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

[Ryan Thompson]

I running a set of standard RTPs on a 86' Schwinn Cimarron and love them.  
No flats in 300 miles and I run them at 35/40psi, but maybe I should lower 
that a bit.  The bike is set up with dirt drop bars and I consistently 
return a higher average speed on my commute as compared to my Sam Hillborne 
with Soma C-lines.



On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 7:16:59 PM UTC-4, Patch T wrote:

> They've been out for just over a year now, yeah? More? 
>
> Who has been riding them extensively, and can share some solid feedback? 
> Where and how do you ride them? On what? With whom? And why?!?!
>
> I'm interested in getting the Standards, but would like to read about the 
> Extralights, too.
>
> (If there's already the same thread, apologies, I searched but couldn't 
> find it)
>
> Love,
> Patch
>
>
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 48cm Canti Hillborne on Los Angeles/OC Craigslist

[dougP]

If anyone needs help with this, it's in my neighborhood.  Don't know the 
seller but hopefully there's a Nitto somewhere in the garage.

dougP

On Friday, August 19, 2016 at 10:37:32 AM UTC-7, sameness wrote:
>
> Tiny, orange, 650b, cantis...what's not to love? 
>
> (Except maybe that stem.)
>
> http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bik/5734423335.html
>
> Not mine, no affiliation, etc.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

[Lungimsam]

What do you mean by "mold release".

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Re: [RBW] WTB: 160 or 165 cranks for Rivendell Rambouillet (trade for your Sugino 170s?)

[Lesli Larson]

Yes let me know. Thanks!

On Friday, August 19, 2016, rob markwardt  wrote:

> Hi,
>   I have a set of 165 TA cranks (modern/pro-vis) that I'm not using.
> They've been mounted to rings a couple times but I don't think they have
> any real road miles.  If you are interested I can dig them out and take
> some pics.
>
>
> Rob Markwardt
> Seattle, WA
>
>
> On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 5:49:05 PM UTC-7, Lesli Larson wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking to swap out the stock 170 Sugino XD2 Cranks on my Rivendell
>> Rambouillet.  I prefer riding 160 or 165 arms.
>>
>> I searched via eBay for my beloved TA cyclotourist cranks but have not
>> had much success of late.
>>
>> To economize and get this bike out the door, I'm wondering if anyone has
>> Sugino 165 arms for the XD2 crank that they would like to trade for a pair
>> of 170 cranks?
>>
>> OR-
>>
>> Do you have a TA cyclotourist crank in 160 or 165 that you would like to
>> sell. Are there recommended compact surrogates with similar finish and
>> low-Q factor?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Lesli Larson
>> Eugene, OR
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[RBW] Re: PSA: 48cm Canti Hillborne on Los Angeles/OC Craigslist

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Ha!

On Friday, August 19, 2016 at 10:37:32 AM UTC-7, sameness wrote:
>
> Tiny, orange, 650b, cantis...what's not to love? 
>
> (Except maybe that stem.)
>
> http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bik/5734423335.html
>
> Not mine, no affiliation, etc.
>
> Jeff Hagedorn
> Los Angeles, CA USA
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Hub Trub

[Bill Lindsay]

" My drive train is still giving me trouble, lately skipping under load or 
even just after stopping pedaling and restarting--but not ghost shifting. 
Adjusting the shifter does not solve the problem. It has increased lately, 
and is becoming problematic enough that I took another bike in to work 
today"

"Any thought on this Bill L?"

I always have thoughts on things.  Thought 1 is that I have no clue how 
adjusting the shifter would have done anything.  What was your hypothesis, 
and what exactly did you adjust, and how did you intend it to help?  I 
don't follow, at least to the extent that I understand the symptoms.  You 
have a friction shifter.  A friction shifter has two jobs:  move when you 
move it, and stay put when you don't move it.  The only adjustment you can 
make is tighten the friction part if it is not staying put, or loosen the 
friction part because you can't move it when you want to.  

At any rate, I can't exactly tell where you have skipping.  Is the chain 
skipping on the front chainring?  Is the chain skipping on the rear cog? 
 Is the cassette drive shell skipping internally?  Whichever one it is will 
have a short list of things to do.  If you don't know for sure which it is, 
then figuring out which it is would be your first job.  

If it's really easy to reproduce your problem, but you aren't sure where 
your problem is, then a few experiments can help divide and conquer.  It 
think your stiff link conjecture is the easiest one to do.  You either have 
a stiff link or you dont.  Put the bike in the stand and pedal backwards 
slowly, watching the chain run over the rear derailer pulleys.  The chain 
will either run smoothly, continuously or will clunk and thunk as the stiff 
link rolls by.  

After you've ruled that out, a very efficient experiment if you have parts 
on hand is to ride the bike with a different rear wheel.  If the problem 
goes away with a different rear wheel, then you've ruled out anything being 
fundamentally wrong with everything that isn't part of your rear wheel.  

Once you've isolated it to your rear wheel, try to decide if your problem 
happens in every gear, or only in a small number of gears.  If you think 
it's random, or if you think you can make it happen in any gear, then it's 
the cassette body of the rear hub.  Take it apart and look for obvious 
damage or contamination.  Or if you can't tell what you are looking at, put 
it in a mechanic's hands at that point.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] PSA: 48cm Canti Hillborne on Los Angeles/OC Craigslist

[sameness]

Tiny, orange, 650b, cantis...what's not to love? 

(Except maybe that stem.)

http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/bik/5734423335.html

Not mine, no affiliation, etc.

Jeff Hagedorn
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 160 or 165 cranks for Rivendell Rambouillet (trade for your Sugino 170s?)

[rob markwardt]

Hi,
  I have a set of 165 TA cranks (modern/pro-vis) that I'm not using. 
 They've been mounted to rings a couple times but I don't think they have 
any real road miles.  If you are interested I can dig them out and take 
some pics.  


Rob Markwardt
Seattle, WA 


On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 5:49:05 PM UTC-7, Lesli Larson wrote:
>
> I'm looking to swap out the stock 170 Sugino XD2 Cranks on my Rivendell 
> Rambouillet.  I prefer riding 160 or 165 arms. 
>
> I searched via eBay for my beloved TA cyclotourist cranks but have not had 
> much success of late.
>
> To economize and get this bike out the door, I'm wondering if anyone has 
> Sugino 165 arms for the XD2 crank that they would like to trade for a pair 
> of 170 cranks?
>
> OR-
>
> Do you have a TA cyclotourist crank in 160 or 165 that you would like to 
> sell. Are there recommended compact surrogates with similar finish and 
> low-Q factor?
>
> Regards,
>
> Lesli Larson
> Eugene, OR
>

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[RBW] Re: Hub Trub

[Bill Lindsay]

Jeremy is right.  The root cause is your hub and a clutch derailer is a 
workaround.  Do whatever it takes to put your hub in front of a good 
mechanic and decide what to do together.  I offered a free clutch derailer 
because you were going to throw $200 plus on a new rear wheel which seemed 
like a waste.  I'm nervous you overtightened something and did permanent 
damage to your hub, but I don't know for sure because I don't have your 
wheel in my hands.  You've said you have a bent hub flange, and I still 
don't know what that's about.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, August 19, 2016 at 8:03:54 AM UTC-7, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> Don't let me get between you and shiny new parts, but this isn't a 
> derailleur issue, it's a hub issue.  I've seen draggy freehubs cause 
> similar issues even on bikes with clutched derailleurs.  
>
> I've serviced a few hubs of this type, and if lubrication doesn't seem to 
> be helping, the seals are usually the "gotcha" for me.  I'd check them 
> again, make sure they're in the right place (a schematic would be helpful 
> here, but I'm not sure they're available for this hub) and not getting 
> misaligned as you re-insert the freehub.  Maybe even give them a little bit 
> of lubrication, or try running the hub without them to see if that 
> addresses the issue.  Not that that's necessarily a long term solution, but 
> it would help in diagnosis.  
>
> Also, moderation is key when lubricating freehubs.  Even if using a 
> relatively light lube, don't over do it.  
>
> On Friday, August 19, 2016 at 5:06:34 AM UTC-7, William R. wrote:
>>
>> Hey Mark, I hear ya, changing my behaviors and having great rides despite 
>> the issue. Still, I can't help seeing what I can do to eliminate it. 
>> Complicated or just a different way of making a derailleur? I'm going to 
>> find out. Zipping down a hill would be the worse time for the chain to get 
>> sucked in. And it's threatening to do that on its own without the slight 
>> back pedal test that I did. I can just see my old self cresting a hill in 
>> oxygen debt, blissfully descending the other side, and all hell breaking 
>> loose! It still bugs me that last week this wasn't happening and now it is. 
>> I've minimized it as much as I can. It doesn't seem like something that 
>> gradually developed. One day it wasn't doing it, the next it was, or maybe 
>> I wasn't paying attention until it came to my attention. The good times 
>> roll no matter. Trying things and learning!
>>
>> Bill in Westchester, NY
>>
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[RBW] Re: Tandem Owners Group?

[JohnS]

Good luck with the tandem, they can be a blast. One bit of advice, momentum 
is your friend, learn to take advantage of the down hills so that you can 
make it up the up hills. It's different than riding a single bike with 
gears, more like riding a fixed gear.

JohnS


On Wednesday, August 17, 2016 at 9:52:44 AM UTC-4, Conway Bennett wrote:
>
> I'm getting married in a couple weeks and our wedding is a nautical/bike 
> themed affair.  My baby said we needed a tandem as a "prop" and what my 
> baby wants my baby get ESPECIALLY when she's says to buy a new bike.  So, 
> after combing CL here in Chicago, the right bike at the right price came 
> along and now we own a very gently used Gary Fisher Gemini.  We took it for 
> a quick ride in the rain the other night and she loved it.  I can see 
> myself really getting into this.  So, is there a Google owners group for 
> tandems?  

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[RBW] Re: 26x1.75-2" tire recommendations

[JohnS]

I'm very happy with the Schwalbe Big Ben tires from Riv that I have on my 
'82 Stump Jumper. Maybe tight at 26 x 2.15 for your frame. Long wearing, no 
flats, good on the road and rail trails, a little expensive at $45 each but 
for me have been worth it.

JohnS


On Wednesday, August 17, 2016 at 8:15:03 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> I got used to having bikes with real big clearances and overestimated my 
> capability on this 84 trek 890 I'm working on. 2.1 knobby tires are rubbing 
> a bit (measure 2.5 at the knobs)
>
> This bike is going to be used on mostly on pavement and fire roads, no 
> crazy trails or extreme mud. My wife is pretty cautious.
>
> Calipers say I have 56mm clearance at the tightest spot, and I'd like to 
> go as big as possible. I guess that means something like a 1.75 with knobs, 
> or a 2.0 slick that maybe measures a bit smaller. 
>
> Puncture protection and longevity > suppleness
>
> Seems like there are a lot of really low end hybrid type tires that fit 
> this bill but not sure if any are worth the time. 
>
> Ideas?
>
>

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[RBW] RB-1 tire clearence and rear spacing

[Joe Bernard]

It probably depends on the year. By 1993 Grant was setting them up with 128 
rear spacing, which accommodated the 126 hub on the 7-speed and 130 on the 8. 
The 7-speed with single-pivot sidepulls came with 28c tires. 

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1993/pages/63.htm

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[RBW] RB-1 tire clearence and rear spacing

[Patrick Shea]

It's been awhile since I've owned an RB-1 and have a chance to get a frame
at a great price. I can't remember (age) if the frame will handle 28c
tires. Also, can it handle 9-speeds without a reset of the rear dropouts?

Thanks in advance for the help,
Patrick Shea

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[RBW] Re: Covered Bridge Metric Century, Lancaster PA 8/21

[JohnS]

It's a good thing that I put the fenders back on the QB a couple of weeks 
ago, sounds like they may come in handy. I'll also bring along a light 
weight rain jacket and a plastic bag for the stuff in my ShopSack. I'll be 
looking for fellow Riv-Riders once I get there.

Good advice on riding behind the wheels of a horse drawn buggy. I don't 
think that their waste is considered street furniture, like in pro bike 
racing, but just as dangerous.

JohnS


On Thursday, June 23, 2016 at 11:13:39 AM UTC-4, JohnS wrote:
>
> Anyone interested in joining me for the Covered Bridge Metric Century in 
> Lancaster PA on 8/21? I had rode it about 7 years ago and it was a blast. 
> Very well organized with course marshals at most intersections waving the 
> riders on, almost non stop riding, plus you get to cross a bunch of covered 
> bridges. As I recall mostly rolling hills with a long climb just before the 
> mid point rest stop. At this time I'm planning to ride my Salsa Casseroll, 
> but would consider riding my 2 speed QB if we build a Riv contingency. I 
> would advise registering soon if you want to go. Details at...
>
> http://lancasterbikeclub.net/cbmc.html
>
> Thanks,
> JohnS
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[RBW] Re: Covered Bridge Metric Century, Lancaster PA 8/21

[Lungimsam]

Thanks for the cue sheet, Steve.
Much easier to read.

Rambouillet doesn't have fenders yet. Need to get some 28mm tires for 
enough clearance.

Hopefully I will be on my fendered Bleriot.
I will have on an orange safety vest I bought from RUSA, says "Randonneurs 
USA" on it. Say "hi" as you all pass me. I am slow.

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[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

>
> I have been using the ultra lights with the tan sidewall. The sidewalls 
> are translucent. Very, very light tires with a delicious ride. Supple. Sort 
> of like riding on just an inner tube as the tire.
>
 

> When I first installed them, the front end washed out on clean dry 
> pavement and I wrecked. I blame the mold release on the tires combined with 
> the pressure at 40 psi.  After the crash,  I took a long ride in the dirt 
> to scrub the mold release off and now run the tires at 30 psi, which seems 
> ideal. I have been a little reluctant to corner real hard (still have the 
> road rash) but I'll head to a parking lot one of these days and see how far 
> I can lean them. I rack the wreck up to operator error.(I knew about 
> mold release on tires).
>
> If I was to purchase again, I'd get the standard, not the ultralights. The 
standards are really light. 

Beware, once you are spoiled by the ride of these tires, it will be hard to 
take them off. 

I haven't had them long enough to report on wear, but due to my wreck, I am 
thinking they might have a harder compound, and should last longer than 
they appear they would. 

Last but not least, they look really cool. 

Clayton (Bend)


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Re: [RBW] ISO: Triple front derailer with flat cages

[René Sterental]

I couldn't get any of my doubles to work with the triple crankset. The cage
wouldn't extend outwards far enough. Only the Sun XCD worked and has the
flat cages.

René

On Friday, August 19, 2016, Tim Gavin 
wrote:

> I've had good success with old-style double FDs in various installations.
> I tend to use mid-'80s Suntour Cyclone FDs because they're easy to find and
> cheap-to-free.
>
> In my experience:
> They work fine on a triple 48-38-26 (with friction thumb shifters).
> They work fine on a Stronglight 99 triple 52-42-30 (with friction
> bar-ends).
> They even work fine on my Roadeo on its 46-30 Velo Orange
> cyclotouriste-clone (with 8-speed Campy Ergo brifters).
>
> (The Stronglight and VO 46-30 both have low clearance between the big ring
> and straight crankarm, in the low-Q French tradition, so the flat outer
> plate is necessary to keep the FD from hitting the inside of the arm.)
>
> As long as you are not using an indexed triple front shifter (like Shimano
> triple brifters or MTB Rapidfire), flat-cage double FDs seem to work just
> fine.
>
> The sculpted cages of more modern triple FDs seem to be more vital for
> those indexed triple setups.  Jan Heine wrote about this in his "Trouble
> with triples"
> 
> article.
>
> On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 12:48 AM, Lungimsam  > wrote:
>
>> So the sunxcd fd works with 1)triples 2)small chainrings?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Covered Bridge Metric Century, Lancaster PA 8/21

['Jack' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Like Kevin, I'm registered, but am gonna bail due to the weather outlook. I 
hope I'm making a mistake and you guys have decent weather, but it's a 
250-mile drive for me to Lancaster and I don't wanna do that just to ride 
in the rain. I rode much of it in the rain about five years ago and was 
very glad I had fenders for the reasons stated here But it's a great 
ride, and I really hate to miss it. For those who ride, be safe and please 
post your experiences here!

On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 5:47:55 PM UTC-4, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> I'm registered but, regretfully, will probably bail.  The NOAA website is 
> predicting rain and a 70% chance of thunderstorms around Lancaster 
> beginning about 9:00 a.m. on Sunday.   I have no desire to repeat my 
> experience from last year's Civil War Century.
> Although I'll miss the ride (which is supposed to be beautiful), the best 
> way to ensure that you guys have perfect weather is for me to stay home and 
> miss it on the assumption that it's going to rain.
> Kevin
>
>
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Re: [RBW] ISO: Triple front derailer with flat cages

[René Sterental]

The issue being requested is that the derailleur has flat cages and is
silver. All the Shimano triples have the shapes in the cages for the
Shimano crankset combo.

On Thursday, August 18, 2016, Hunter Ellis  wrote:

> Boulder Cycles has a great Deore LX triple for $20. There's a little black
> on there IIRC but its mostly silver
>
> On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 4:01:12 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>>
>> You never know , a few years ago I bought 2 great vintage Deore fd from
>>  a seller on ebay for a song.  While they were not new in box there was no
>> sign of any use at all.  These were few models later than the original
>> Deore , all silver and flat inside the cage. I run one on my Bomabil and
>> the other for another bike. I prefer the flat style every day of the year
>> too.
>>
>> You may not need a triple though, I use a 105 double with a 24/36/50 on
>> one bike and it works fine. I think it was a 5500 or maybe 5600 model, from
>> about '99 or 2000.  You can find such vintage ones and other models from
>> lower lines that used 8 or 9 speed also on ebay , even some are NOS.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Covered Bridge Metric Century, Lancaster PA 8/21

[Lungimsam]

In this heat, I don't know if rain gear would help. Might just sweat to 
death in it. But would be nice to keep my shorts dry... 

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[RBW] Re: ISO: Triple front derailer with flat cages

[Hunter Ellis]

Boulder Cycles has a great Deore LX triple for $20. There's a little black 
on there IIRC but its mostly silver

On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 4:01:12 PM UTC-7, Garth wrote:
>
> You never know , a few years ago I bought 2 great vintage Deore fd from  a 
> seller on ebay for a song.  While they were not new in box there was no 
> sign of any use at all.  These were few models later than the original 
> Deore , all silver and flat inside the cage. I run one on my Bomabil and 
> the other for another bike. I prefer the flat style every day of the year 
> too.
>
> You may not need a triple though, I use a 105 double with a 24/36/50 on 
> one bike and it works fine. I think it was a 5500 or maybe 5600 model, from 
> about '99 or 2000.  You can find such vintage ones and other models from 
> lower lines that used 8 or 9 speed also on ebay , even some are NOS. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Covered Bridge Metric Century, Lancaster PA 8/21

[Robert Keal]

I'm with Kevin and will definitely be monitoring the weather leading up to
Sunday--it'll likely be a game-time decision for me. I suppose I could
throw the fenders back on my Sam and make it work, but I'm not really
looking to ride all day in the rain. Here's to hoping for a shift in the
forecast!

Bob K. in Baltimore

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:03 AM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> Late notice, but I have an extra registration if anyone wants it.
> My friend's wife is having a tough surgery recovery, so he needs to be
> with her at this time and cannot go.
>
> The ride administrators said it is ok to transfer ownership but you have
> to sign the waiver when you get there.
> If anyone wants it we can meet at registration table at an agreed time so
> I can give it to you.
> Not necessary to ride together if you like riding alone better, but I
> definitely would like to start riding by 7:30-8:00 at the latest, meaning
> pedals turning by 8 at the extreme latest. So please try to be on time. So
> maybe we could meet between 7-7:15?
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Re: [RBW] ISO: Triple front derailer with flat cages

[René Sterental]

Yes. I'm running 24/38/46 with René Herse rings that have no ramps or pins.
It works perfectly.

On Thursday, August 18, 2016, Lungimsam  wrote:

> So the sunxcd fd works with 1)triples 2)small chainrings?
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[RBW] Re: ISO: Triple front derailer with flat cages

[Lungimsam]

I use Silver friction shifters.
I'll have to check into the cyclones.

>
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[RBW] Re: Hub Trub

[Jeremy Till]

Don't let me get between you and shiny new parts, but this isn't a 
derailleur issue, it's a hub issue.  I've seen draggy freehubs cause 
similar issues even on bikes with clutched derailleurs.  

I've serviced a few hubs of this type, and if lubrication doesn't seem to 
be helping, the seals are usually the "gotcha" for me.  I'd check them 
again, make sure they're in the right place (a schematic would be helpful 
here, but I'm not sure they're available for this hub) and not getting 
misaligned as you re-insert the freehub.  Maybe even give them a little bit 
of lubrication, or try running the hub without them to see if that 
addresses the issue.  Not that that's necessarily a long term solution, but 
it would help in diagnosis.  

Also, moderation is key when lubricating freehubs.  Even if using a 
relatively light lube, don't over do it.  

On Friday, August 19, 2016 at 5:06:34 AM UTC-7, William R. wrote:
>
> Hey Mark, I hear ya, changing my behaviors and having great rides despite 
> the issue. Still, I can't help seeing what I can do to eliminate it. 
> Complicated or just a different way of making a derailleur? I'm going to 
> find out. Zipping down a hill would be the worse time for the chain to get 
> sucked in. And it's threatening to do that on its own without the slight 
> back pedal test that I did. I can just see my old self cresting a hill in 
> oxygen debt, blissfully descending the other side, and all hell breaking 
> loose! It still bugs me that last week this wasn't happening and now it is. 
> I've minimized it as much as I can. It doesn't seem like something that 
> gradually developed. One day it wasn't doing it, the next it was, or maybe 
> I wasn't paying attention until it came to my attention. The good times 
> roll no matter. Trying things and learning!
>
> Bill in Westchester, NY
>

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[RBW] Re: Covered Bridge Metric Century, Lancaster PA 8/21

[Lungimsam]

Late notice, but I have an extra registration if anyone wants it.
My friend's wife is having a tough surgery recovery, so he needs to be with 
her at this time and cannot go.

The ride administrators said it is ok to transfer ownership but you have to 
sign the waiver when you get there.
If anyone wants it we can meet at registration table at an agreed time so I 
can give it to you.
Not necessary to ride together if you like riding alone better, but I 
definitely would like to start riding by 7:30-8:00 at the latest, meaning 
pedals turning by 8 at the extreme latest. So please try to be on time. So 
maybe we could meet between 7-7:15?

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[RBW] Re: 26x1.75-2" tire recommendations

[Rod Holland]

I ran Compass 26 x 1.75 tires on my Surly Trucker DeLuxe for 1400 miles, 
until the Rat Traps became available. I liked them fine: cushy and quick, 
game for the gamut of surfaces I rode them on, although for the really 
rough stuff, I found myself wanting either wider tires or more skill (hence 
the switch to Rat Traps). Think of them as Paselas with more supple 
casings. Lots of laughs. Here's a ride report 
, putting these tires 
through their paces in the Vermont hills last year.




rod


On Wednesday, August 17, 2016 at 8:15:03 PM UTC-4, drew wrote:
>
> I got used to having bikes with real big clearances and overestimated my 
> capability on this 84 trek 890 I'm working on. 2.1 knobby tires are rubbing 
> a bit (measure 2.5 at the knobs)
>
> This bike is going to be used on mostly on pavement and fire roads, no 
> crazy trails or extreme mud. My wife is pretty cautious.
>
> Calipers say I have 56mm clearance at the tightest spot, and I'd like to 
> go as big as possible. I guess that means something like a 1.75 with knobs, 
> or a 2.0 slick that maybe measures a bit smaller. 
>
> Puncture protection and longevity > suppleness
>
> Seems like there are a lot of really low end hybrid type tires that fit 
> this bill but not sure if any are worth the time. 
>
> Ideas?
>
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[RBW] Re: Hub Trub

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Bill. Though it perhaps reads otherwise, I wasn't trying to suggest just 
giving up and living with it! My drive train is still giving me trouble, 
lately skipping under load or even just after stopping pedaling and 
restarting--but not ghost shifting. Adjusting the shifter does not solve 
the problem. It has increased lately, and is becoming problematic enough 
that I took another bike in to work today and will take a look at things 
tonight. Maybe there is a stiff link, but that doesn't strike me as the 
answer. I wonder if the design of the hub makes it prone to this, or it 
contributes in some way to this issue? If the chain goes slack for a moment 
due to the pawls in the rear hub pushing it forward off the cog while the 
crank is not being turned, I imagine that could cause a skip when 
re-engaging, especially under pressure--this often manifests when starting 
up, or after having coasted for a bit. Any thought on this Bill L? I have 
never had a drive chain do this so consistently. The bike I road in this 
morning is an old 7-speed freewheel with an old Campy shifter, works like a 
charm.

On Friday, August 19, 2016 at 8:06:34 AM UTC-4, William R. wrote:
>
> Hey Mark, I hear ya, changing my behaviors and having great rides despite 
> the issue. Still, I can't help seeing what I can do to eliminate it. 
> Complicated or just a different way of making a derailleur? I'm going to 
> find out. Zipping down a hill would be the worse time for the chain to get 
> sucked in. And it's threatening to do that on its own without the slight 
> back pedal test that I did. I can just see my old self cresting a hill in 
> oxygen debt, blissfully descending the other side, and all hell breaking 
> loose! It still bugs me that last week this wasn't happening and now it is. 
> I've minimized it as much as I can. It doesn't seem like something that 
> gradually developed. One day it wasn't doing it, the next it was, or maybe 
> I wasn't paying attention until it came to my attention. The good times 
> roll no matter. Trying things and learning!
>
> Bill in Westchester, NY
>

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[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

[Rod Holland]

I had an experience recently that may be relevant. As part of a hilly 
30-mile loop in the Boston suburbs, intended as a training ride for a 
gravel ramble in the Vermont hills later in the month, I came to a long 
segment (maybe 2 miles?) of grooved pavement in a hilly stretch of Concord 
Ave., Lexington. I was riding my Surly Trucker DeLuxe, a 26" touring bike 
equipped with RTP ELs (affectionately known as the "Monster Trucker"). 
After riding to the top of the first of several hills, I plunged without 
hesitation into what soon became an all-in descent; the tires made this 
feel like the right thing to do, and that feeling increased through a 35 
mph run, and was repeated in two more descents before the pavement reverted 
to normal. The fact that I dropped a couple of roadies who were gingerly 
negotiating that stretch on 23 mm tires was, of course, icing on the cake. 
The fact that the tires were also doing their thing admirably on the smooth 
pavement, as well, made it sensible for me to be out riding them on what 
was basically an all-pavement ride in the first place. The Surly frame 
(which I like well enough, btw, and have run happily with other tires) was 
incidental: in this case, it was really about the tires, making possible 
things that didn't feel wise before, in this case a 35 mph descent on 
grooved pavement. The tires are the thing. Maybe someone will come up with 
one or more optimal bicycles to match them, but in the meantime, they make 
any bike that can fit them a whole lot better.

By way of data points, no flats in 600 miles, no traction problems in the 
rain. I'm running the RTP ELs on Sun Rhyno Lite rims at 30/35 PSI. I've 
taken them on pavement rough and smooth, city and country, gravel ranging 
from stone dust to railroad ballast, dirt, roots, rocks, the last three on 
single track and our local "abandoned carriage roads". I'm not running 
tubeless. I find they spin up well from a standing start, and that the 
pneumatic suspension rewards standing on the pedals in those situations, 
good for when the light changes. They climb happily (they climb, the rider 
is happy).

rod


On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 7:16:59 PM UTC-4, Patch T wrote:
>
> They've been out for just over a year now, yeah? More? 
>
> Who has been riding them extensively, and can share some solid feedback? 
> Where and how do you ride them? On what? With whom? And why?!?!
>
> I'm interested in getting the Standards, but would like to read about the 
> Extralights, too.
>
> (If there's already the same thread, apologies, I searched but couldn't 
> find it)
>
> Love,
> Patch
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rat Trap Pass: reviews? impressions? poetic waxings?

[Rod Holland]

I had an experience recently that may be relevant. As part of a hilly 
30-mile loop in the Boston suburbs, intended as a training ride for a 
gravel ramble in the Vermont hills in the month, I came to a long segment 
(maybe 2 miles?) of grooved pavement in a hilly stretch of Concord Ave., 
Lexington. I was riding my Surly Trucker DeLuxe, a 26" touring bike 
equipped with RTP ELs (affectionately known as the "Monster Trucker"). 
After riding to the top of the first of several hills, I plunged without 
hesitation into what soon became an all-in descent; the tires made this 
feel like the right thing to do, and that feeling increased through a 35 
mph run, and was repeated in two more descents before the pavement reverted 
to normal. The fact that I dropped a couple of roadies who were gingerly 
negotiating that stretch on 23 mm tires was, of course, icing on the cake. 
The fact that the tires were also doing their thing admirably on the smooth 
pavement, as well, made it sensible for me to be out riding them on what 
was basically an all-pavement ride in the first place. The Surly frame 
(which I like well enough, btw, and have run happily with other tires) was 
incidental: in this case, it was really about the tires, making possible 
things that didn't feel wise before, in this case a 35 mph descent on 
grooved pavement. The tires are the thing. Maybe someone will come up with 
one or more optimal bicycles to match them, but in the meantime, they make 
any bike that can fit them a whole lot better.

By way of data points, no flats in 600 miles, no traction problems in the 
rain. I'm running the RTP ELs on Sun Rhyno Lite rims at 30/35 PSI. I've 
taken them on pavement rough and smooth, city and country, gravel ranging 
from stone dust to railroad ballast, dirt, roots, rocks, the last three on 
single track and our local "abandoned carriage roads". I'm not running 
tubeless. I find they spin up well from a standing start, and that the 
pneumatic suspension rewards standing on the pedals in those situations, 
good for when the light changes. They climb happily (they climb, the rider 
is happy).

rod

On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 7:16:59 PM UTC-4, Patch T wrote:
>
> They've been out for just over a year now, yeah? More? 
>
> Who has been riding them extensively, and can share some solid feedback? 
> Where and how do you ride them? On what? With whom? And why?!?!
>
> I'm interested in getting the Standards, but would like to read about the 
> Extralights, too.
>
> (If there's already the same thread, apologies, I searched but couldn't 
> find it)
>
> Love,
> Patch
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] ISO: Triple front derailer with flat cages

[Tim Gavin]

I've had good success with old-style double FDs in various installations.
I tend to use mid-'80s Suntour Cyclone FDs because they're easy to find and
cheap-to-free.

In my experience:
They work fine on a triple 48-38-26 (with friction thumb shifters).
They work fine on a Stronglight 99 triple 52-42-30 (with friction bar-ends).
They even work fine on my Roadeo on its 46-30 Velo Orange
cyclotouriste-clone (with 8-speed Campy Ergo brifters).

(The Stronglight and VO 46-30 both have low clearance between the big ring
and straight crankarm, in the low-Q French tradition, so the flat outer
plate is necessary to keep the FD from hitting the inside of the arm.)

As long as you are not using an indexed triple front shifter (like Shimano
triple brifters or MTB Rapidfire), flat-cage double FDs seem to work just
fine.

The sculpted cages of more modern triple FDs seem to be more vital for
those indexed triple setups.  Jan Heine wrote about this in his "Trouble
with triples"

article.

On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 12:48 AM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> So the sunxcd fd works with 1)triples 2)small chainrings?
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[RBW] Re: FS-Big MUSA and Wool, Bags, and more...

[scott]

Everything sold. Thanks gang.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Some recent Gravel & Grind Riv builds and a last plug for our Riv and B-stone owners Bunch Ride Sunday the 14th

[Robert Keal]

As another plug for their rides, I went on a rather epic 53 miler with the
G folks sometime in July. Highlights included countless beautiful country
roads, a river swim stop, a ridiculously tough gravel climb that my legs
and Sam could not conquer without the help of my feet making contact with
the ground (AKA I walked), and a pitch dark single track and road descent
that ended after midnight. In short, it was tons of painful fun.

https://ridewithgps.com/routes/15010176

Everybody was super nice, too, and the general vibe of the ride was
decidedly "just ride." Can't wait until the next time I'm able to join up.

Bob K. in Baltimore

On Thu, Aug 18, 2016 at 8:46 PM, Gravel & Grind Espresso + Bikes <
gravelandgr...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Just for the record, we do rides like this every Sunday night.  Check our
> facebook page for details on em, but they’re a regular thing, and the folks
> who come do the rides are all on the same basic program: smart bikes, go
> slow, ride hard stuff, find cool roads.  They just aren’t all Riv riders.
> So if this ride sounds up your alley, just come on a normal Sunday shop
> ride.  Meet at 4, wheels down at 4:30.  To check mileage or general ride
> direction, just check on FB or Instagram the day of the ride.  There’ll be
> something posted there...  -James
>
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[RBW] Re: Hub Trub

[William R.]

Hey Mark, I hear ya, changing my behaviors and having great rides despite the 
issue. Still, I can't help seeing what I can do to eliminate it. Complicated or 
just a different way of making a derailleur? I'm going to find out. Zipping 
down a hill would be the worse time for the chain to get sucked in. And it's 
threatening to do that on its own without the slight back pedal test that I 
did. I can just see my old self cresting a hill in oxygen debt, blissfully 
descending the other side, and all hell breaking loose! It still bugs me that 
last week this wasn't happening and now it is. I've minimized it as much as I 
can. It doesn't seem like something that gradually developed. One day it wasn't 
doing it, the next it was, or maybe I wasn't paying attention until it came to 
my attention. The good times roll no matter. Trying things and learning!

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: 26x1.75-2" tire recommendations

[Philip Kim]

Are those the 54 bodies or 58s?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Covered Bridge Metric Century, Lancaster PA 8/21

[Steve Palincsar]

On 08/19/2016 05:21 AM, ascpgh wrote:


You really don't want to be riding an open-wheeled bike in the
rain on rural roads in the Amish country... 



Or, just as accurately, follow an open-wheeled bicycle in Amish country.


There may come a time when you find yourself riding behind an Amish 
buggy, not able to go fast enough to get around it and pass.  In that 
circumstance, you will feel a strong impulse to line yourself up between 
the wheels, in line with the buggy's back window.  Do not do this!  When 
you are lined up between the buggy's wheels, you are also directly 
behind the horse and anything that drops from the back end of that 
horse.  Fenders or no, you don't want your front wheel to ride through a 
puddle of wet, slippery horse exhaust -- and you definitely don't want 
your front wheel to skid out and go down into it.  So if you do have to 
ride behind a buggy, line up with one of the buggy's wheels.


Incidentally, in Lancaster County PA the Amish don't ride bicycles. They 
ride large-wheeled scooters like this:




If you see people dressed like this riding bicycles in Lancaster County 
(and on the Covered Bridge Metric you indeed will) they will be 
Mennonites rather than Amish.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Covered Bridge Metric Century, Lancaster PA 8/21

[ascpgh]

>
> You really don't want to be riding an open-wheeled bike in the rain on 
> rural roads in the Amish country... 


Or, just as accurately, follow an open-wheeled bicycle in Amish country.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh 

On Thursday, August 18, 2016 at 4:36:50 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 08/18/2016 04:11 PM, JohnS wrote: 
> > Thanks for the elevation profile, looks a lot like the rollers that 
> > I'm use to at home, so I think I'll go with the QB. The only difficult 
> > climb will be the one at the 33 mile point, which I think is after the 
> > lunch stop. 
>
> Lunch is at 36.4, so it's before lunch. 
>
> I saw a very funny thing on that climb once, a few years ago.  I'm 
> grinding up at my typical sub-10 mph pace and this young woman comes 
> blasting by me out of the saddle snarling something at me as she goes 
> by; gets about 5 or 10 yards ahead of me and suddenly cuts hard right 
> into a driveway just before the crest, wobbles to a stop, gets off - 
> practically falls off - the bike and flops down on the ground totally 
> exhausted and completely out of breath. 
>
>
> > I'll use the low gear on that one. The climb before it is drawn out, 
> > shouldn't be a problem. Hopefully the weather will cooperate. 
>
> The current forecast has a 90% chance of thunderstorms "in the 
> evening".  Of course, that doesn't mean we won't see any earlier in the 
> day.  In any event, I'm bringing a bike with fenders.  You really don't 
> want to be riding an open-wheeled bike in the rain on rural roads in the 
> Amish country... 
>

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