Re: Noodles uncomfortable? Was: [RBW] Re: Nitto M151F bar story behind it on all those riv builds lately?

[drew]

I love my noodles, though I don't go into the drops that often and am mostly on 
the brake hoods. 
I'm intrigued by dirt drops, but Do you lose some of the comfort of the hoods 
position when the levers are angled inward like that?

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Re: Noodles uncomfortable? Was: [RBW] Re: Nitto M151F bar story behind it on all those riv builds lately?

[Don Compton]

I rode noodles for years using Campy Ergo Shifters. On my latest Roadeo, I 
installed a Shimano 6800 group ( with Shimano std reach brakes). The 
brifters are longer and I needed a shorter reach bar. If I had used a 
shorter stem, the tops of the bars of the Noodles would have been useless. 
So, I went with Soma Highway One bars.
On any bike with Campy shifters the Noodles would be perfect for me.

On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 11:08:59 AM UTC-7, Olof Stroh wrote:
>
> Grant wrote:
>
> I THINK the consensus here is that a Noodle still wins (my vote, but 
> that's to be expected, I'm sure).
>
>  
>
> I had a Nitto 176 aka Dream Bar I bought from Riv and loved. Read the 
> praise for Noodles, bought them and tried to love them but found them to be 
> murder for my wrists. They are now adorning my cellarfloor while I had to 
> search ebay for my second and third Dream Bar as Riv had taken its hand 
> from them. IS there a concensus and I the peculiar outlier or what? Just 
> asking.
>
>  
>
> Olof Stroh
>
> Uppsala Sweden
>
>  
>

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Noodles uncomfortable? Was: [RBW] Re: Nitto M151F bar story behind it on all those riv builds lately?

[Richard Rios]

I like the noodles. I like the dirt drop to. Both great bars as far as drops 
go. They look good and make my bike happy. What else could you want. 

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Noodles uncomfortable? Was: [RBW] Re: Nitto M151F bar story behind it on all those riv builds lately?

['pb' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Since people seem to be voting, I'll cast my vote. I want a couple of simple 
things in a handlebar. I want a flat and short top that blends seamlessly into 
Ergo levers and I want a hand position in the drops that's comfortable.  

I guess I have to admit that I can't recall whether or not the ramps work on 
Noodles. I liquidated mine about 5 years ago and I don't remember.  The curve 
of the drops is so tight as to make it impossible for me to ride with my hands 
in the drops.

Soma Highway 1 in a 46. The perfect drop bar.  Softly ergo, almost classic 
looking.  Fantastic hand position in the drops. Perfect ramps.  Perfect.

-pb

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[RBW] Joe Appaloosa and Thursday Night Football

[Abcyclehank]

Just arrived home after an 11 hr workday before rushing out to catch a sneak 
preview of Inferno. While checking email and google group lists I turned on the 
game to see the butternut colored Jaguars getting dominated by the blue colored 
Titans 0-27 at halftime. 

Does the fact football triggers thoughts of Rivendell and bicycling in general 
mean I have a problem 
or that I am attaining self-actualization. 

Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nigel Smythe Country Bag and Ortlieb Bike Packer Plus Panniers

[Bob K.]

Country Bag sold pending pickup.

Panniers still available. 

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[RBW] OT PSA: Ibex merino shirts at Sierra Trading Post

[Shawn Granton]

Hello folks-


Just saw that Sierra Trading Post has gotten in A BUNCH of merino wool 
t-shirts from Ibex. I just ordered a few! The supplies are pretty limited, 
so doubt they'd last more than a few days. And most of them are about $40, 
though the 87% wool/13% nylon shirt is just $25!


See what they have here:
http://www.sierratradingpost.com/s~ibex-wool-shirt/?perPage=24



And, this coupon will get you 20% off those prices and free shipping over 
$50. Expires midnight Mountain time tonight: KDM8637W


This one will get you 25% off plus free shipping over $100. Also expires 
midnight tonight. KAW6880P


Since Riv is out of wool t-shirts, this is a great way to pick up some nice 
made in the USA merino tops!


yours,
Shawn

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Re: Noodles uncomfortable? Was: [RBW] Re: Nitto M151F bar story behind it on all those riv builds lately?

[JohnS]

Hello Olof,

 

I'm in the not a big fan of the Noodle bar club as well. I have a pair 
laying around in the garage which had come on the QB when I bought it last 
February. I've been riding the VO rando bars at the 50cm width for the past 
few years. They rise up from the stem, which is opposite of the Noodle. I 
suppose it's what you find comfortable. My first 10 speed was a Schwinn Le 
Tour which had rando bars, so maybe I'm predisposed to them. I also really 
like mustache bars, I've been riding them since the spring. I find that 
both offer very good out of the saddle hand positions and that they are 
comfortable on long rides. 

 

JohnS

On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 5:45:38 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> I've always loved my noodle bars. they been great for me.

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Re: [RBW] FENDERS ON THE CHEVIOT

[René Sterental]

Thank you. Don't hesitate to contact me if you have any questions or need
more specific guidance.

René

On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 5:04 PM, Bob Lovejoy  wrote:

> Thanks René,
>
> Very much appreciated... I knew that at least 50's would be needed but I
> was unsure of clearance through the brakes.  I think the plan at the moment
> will be to go with the r559's I have (with 700x50 fenders) but change to at
> least a front center pull once I get settled.  I am in the middle of a long
> distance move currently so real bike time is not possible.
>
> Your bikes come out beautifully by the way!  Once I have sufficient time,
> I want to study your pictures and comments more on the rear center pull
> mount.  It looks perfect!  And thanks for trying different options and
> letting people know what you found.  It is most helpful...
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 5:46:11 PM UTC-6, René wrote:
>>
>> For those tires you'll need 50mm metal fenders, either steel Berthouds,
>> aluminum Honjos or any other brand. They will fit with the Tektro brakes,
>> but when opening the brake to remove the wheel, the brake will push down on
>> the fender. You might also lose a bit of clearance with those. Switching to
>> a Paul Centerpull or the Dia-Compe 750 on the front will help. On the rear
>> you won't get any extra clearance by switching.
>>
>> BTW, the Paul centerpul is wider than the Dia-Compe, but both will clear
>> the 50mm metal fenders. I like the Paul's better after comparing both
>> directly. I also went with a rear Paul mounted in reverse, just because I
>> wanted both brakes to be the same. Previously on my Betty, I ran the rear
>> Tektro/Silver brake.
>>
>> René
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Bob Lovejoy  wrote:
>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> Sincere apologies for this question, as I think I must have missed it in
>>> previous threads...
>>>
>>> What metal fenders (Tanaka, Berthoud, Honjo, VO, ???) can be used for
>>> the most possible clearance using the r559 brakes, front and rear, on a
>>> 60cm Cheviot?  I am planning on using 700x40 Schwalbe Marathon Supremes and
>>> got lost in the potential (metal) options.  I know the DC 750 or the Paul
>>> center pulls would help, certainly on the front, but am wondering if there
>>> is a chance anything will work for me with the r559's that I have.
>>>
>>> I would definitely like to go with metal/stainless fenders but will do
>>> what I have to until I can get into full project/experiment mode.
>>>
>>> Again, sorry if this has been asked and answered!  But any help would
>>> definitely be appreciated...
>>>
>>> Bob
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot build in progress

[René Sterental]

Awesome!

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 1:54 PM, adam leibow  wrote:

> wow this is so nice. i love the new cheviots, especially this grey color.
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 7:22:58 PM UTC-7, RonaTD wrote:
>>
>> I have started the construction process on my Cheviot. Frame is a 55, so
>> 650B wheels. Saddle height is 72cm. Color is gray. Details so far … old BoB
>> Brooks B17 saddle, Albatross bars on a Tallux 11cm stem (thanks Hugh S!),
>> Deore rear hub and Schmidt front dyno hub laced to Synergy rims. Compass
>> Babyshoe Pass 42 tires are measuring 38.5mm so far, Mark’s rack on the
>> front with a short Edelux light mount and Edelux light, VO Zepplin Noir
>> fenders, XD2 crank with 42/30 chainrings and a chainring protector, 12-32 8
>> speed cassette. Front fender fit required an extra spacer on the daruma
>> bolt, as there is a fair amount of brake interference. It will be fine when
>> the cables are installed. Rear fender fit is going to be a challenge. Why,
>> for the love of all that is good and holy, can’t RBW place bridges equal
>> distance from the axle? Three bridges on the rear of the Cheviot, and all
>> three are wildly different placements.
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ronatd/albums/72157674363540271 <
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ronatd/albums/72157674363540271>
>>
>> Ted Durant
>> Milwaukee, WI
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rosco v.3

[Abcyclehank]

Tall hurts too because these look fun.  Waiting for a 100PBH Rosco.  At least I 
have a XL Hubba Hubba coming in February.

Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

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Re: Noodles uncomfortable? Was: [RBW] Re: Nitto M151F bar story behind it on all those riv builds lately?

[Lungimsam]

I've always loved my noodle bars. they been great for me.

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Re: Noodles uncomfortable? Was: [RBW] Re: Nitto M151F bar story behind it on all those riv builds lately?

[iamkeith]

I like the noodle, but it's predecessor - the RM 13 dirt drop - is my 
favorite.  I had the former on my Rambouillet until this summer, and the 
later on my Quickbeam.  Every time I got on the Quickbeam, I was struck by 
the contrast of how comfortable the bars were, and regretful that I didn't 
spend more time on it.  So I finally just moved the bars over. 

Both were designed by Grant as far as I know, and Riv used to sell the dirt 
drop before they designed the Noodle.  The drop and reach are similar 
between the two.  Both are nice and wide, so I feel like my chest cage can 
open up and allow me to breath.   The dirt drop is straighter across the 
top, so both that grip position and the one at the hoods feel like more of 
a natural angle (less elbows-in / less twisted wrists). The dirt drop feels 
more rigid and direct. The two things I *really* like though, are:

1) The flare at the drops of the RM-13 allows me to sprint and climb 
without bumping my wrists.  
2)  Something about the downward curve of the Noodle made it really hard 
for me to ever mount the brake levers in a position where I could reach 
them comfortably from the drop position, and still have the hoods high 
enough to feel correct too.  I always had to lean way over and contort my 
wrists uncomfortably upward in order to brake.

One thing that I HAD to do with the dirt drop, that I SHOULD have done with 
the Noodle, was to add bar end extenders.  Both bars seem to be intended 
for use with bar end shifters and, without them, the grip is too short.   
I'd suggest  them to anybody for either bar, if you're not using bar ends. 
 It's so much more secure and confident when moving from top to bottom 
quickly, and it gives you some space to move around a bit. 

I should add that, as with most of my preferences, this all comes from the 
fact that I have a mountain biking background and am really inelegant and 
clunky on any road bike.  So YMMV.

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot build in progress

[adam leibow]

wow this is so nice. i love the new cheviots, especially this grey color. 

On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 7:22:58 PM UTC-7, RonaTD wrote:
>
> I have started the construction process on my Cheviot. Frame is a 55, so 
> 650B wheels. Saddle height is 72cm. Color is gray. Details so far … old BoB 
> Brooks B17 saddle, Albatross bars on a Tallux 11cm stem (thanks Hugh S!), 
> Deore rear hub and Schmidt front dyno hub laced to Synergy rims. Compass 
> Babyshoe Pass 42 tires are measuring 38.5mm so far, Mark’s rack on the 
> front with a short Edelux light mount and Edelux light, VO Zepplin Noir 
> fenders, XD2 crank with 42/30 chainrings and a chainring protector, 12-32 8 
> speed cassette. Front fender fit required an extra spacer on the daruma 
> bolt, as there is a fair amount of brake interference. It will be fine when 
> the cables are installed. Rear fender fit is going to be a challenge. Why, 
> for the love of all that is good and holy, can’t RBW place bridges equal 
> distance from the axle? Three bridges on the rear of the Cheviot, and all 
> three are wildly different placements. 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ronatd/albums/72157674363540271 <
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ronatd/albums/72157674363540271>
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI
>

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[RBW] Re: New BLUG post! Frank Jones Sr

[drew]

HAHA i had the exact same experience in japan. i actually showed up at 
bluelug at like 10am. never made it back when they were open. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New BLUG post! Frank Jones Sr

[David Stein]

The name growing on me. The headbadge is badass. As a quickbeam owner (that
is woefully neglected at the moment), I am super psyched about a new single
speed. I was in Tokyo the other week for work and really wanted to go to a
blue lug and wasn't staying too terribly far from one, maybe 2 or 3 stops
on the JR line, but could not find the time, mostly because they didn't
open till 2pm!

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 12:42 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I really like the wing motif on the Frank Jones headbadge, and I freaking
> love the ruler on the underside of the downtube decal.  I hope that's real
> and not just some printmakers reference.  It's a terrific look, in my
> opinion, and will look fine on the next revision of the poster that has all
> the Riv headbadges.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 8:00:44 AM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>>
>> I'm in no way saying i wouldn't enjoy the bike, but there's a certain
>> appeal in the name and Rivendell has always had incredibly awesome names.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New BLUG post! Frank Jones Sr

[Bill Lindsay]

I really like the wing motif on the Frank Jones headbadge, and I freaking 
love the ruler on the underside of the downtube decal.  I hope that's real 
and not just some printmakers reference.  It's a terrific look, in my 
opinion, and will look fine on the next revision of the poster that has all 
the Riv headbadges.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


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>
> I'm in no way saying i wouldn't enjoy the bike, but there's a certain 
> appeal in the name and Rivendell has always had incredibly awesome names.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: In search of trade: Long shot, at that - 56cm Hillborne for something that fits me better

[Belopsky]

Search continues. Message me off list if you have something.

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Re: Noodles uncomfortable? Was: [RBW] Re: Nitto M151F bar story behind it on all those riv builds lately?

[Eric Norris]

I've had trouble with long-term comfort on Noodles; I came away from PBP in 
2007 (ridden on Noodles) with hand numbness. I generally have better luck on 
long rides with more traditional (flatter) bars. 

However, my Singer came with Nitto randonneur bars, which are like Noodle bars 
on steroids, with much more pronounced flaring, and have enjoyed them very much.

I still like Noodle bars, but my experience hasn't matched Grant's enthusiasm 
for the design.

--Eric N
www.CampyOnly.com
CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy

> On Oct 27, 2016, at 11:29 AM, Wally Estrella  wrote:
> 
> The Noodle has worked best for me on all the drops I've tried.  I have them 
> on 3 different bikes.
> https://i.ytimg.com/vi/AaD2apK6asw/maxresdefault.jpg
> 
> The 176 looks like a nice bar too.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 2:08:59 PM UTC-4, Olof Stroh wrote:
>> Grant wrote:
>> 
>> I THINK the consensus here is that a Noodle still wins (my vote, but that's 
>> to be expected, I'm sure).
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I had a Nitto 176 aka Dream Bar I bought from Riv and loved. Read the praise 
>> for Noodles, bought them and tried to love them but found them to be murder 
>> for my wrists. They are now adorning my cellarfloor while I had to search 
>> ebay for my second and third Dream Bar as Riv had taken its hand from them. 
>> IS there a concensus and I the peculiar outlier or what? Just asking.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Olof Stroh
>> 
>> Uppsala Sweden
>> 
>>  
>> 
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Re: Noodles uncomfortable? Was: [RBW] Re: Nitto M151F bar story behind it on all those riv builds lately?

[Brewster Fong]

On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 11:08:59 AM UTC-7, Olof Stroh wrote:
>
> Grant wrote:
>
> I THINK the consensus here is that a Noodle still wins (my vote, but 
> that's to be expected, I'm sure).
>
>  
>
> I had a Nitto 176 aka Dream Bar I bought from Riv and loved. Read the 
> praise for Noodles, bought them and tried to love them but found them to be 
> murder for my wrists. They are now adorning my cellarfloor while I had to 
> search ebay for my second and third Dream Bar as Riv had taken its hand 
> from them. 
>

Rivendell isn't the only source for the Nitto 176/Dream bars as they are 
still available! 

Somafab has them listed on their website, albeit only in 42/44cm:

http://store.somafab.com/nittom176dream.html

Further, any shop should be able to order them via Merry Sales as they're 
listed in their catalog on page 96:

http://www.merrysales.com/merry_catalog_2016_pricefree.pdf

Good Luck! 

 

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Re: [RBW] New BLUG post! Frank Jones Sr

[Edwin W]

Heh

Edwin

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[RBW] Bump: FS: Men's thick wool vest

[Patrick Moore]

On Mon, Oct 24, 2016 at 9:22 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Made in USA. 22" across back from bottom of armhole to bottom of armhole;
> 23" from top of neck tape to bottom of back hem. It is marked Large.
>
> Wool is in excellent condition; no holes or worn spots. The tape is a wee
> bit frayed in a couple of places, but you have to look closely to find
> these places.
>
> The wool looks very similar to that of my Filson vest: a wee bit thicker
> and a wee bit softer, perhaps.
>
> Selling because it doesn't fit my long torso as well as other vests I have.
>
> $25 paypal fees paid, plus actual shipping cost.
>

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Re: Noodles uncomfortable? Was: [RBW] Re: Nitto M151F bar story behind it on all those riv builds lately?

[Patrick Moore]

I found the Noodles quite comfortable, once I ditched the wide ones and
went back to 42s. I found I had to use a stem 1 cm longer, as they curve
back a bit from the flats. The drop is deeper than I personally like, but
the ramps are adequately long to be useful. At any rate, my wrists felt
fine.

However, I swapped my Noodles out for the Maes Parallel, which I find
better in just about every way -- reach, ramp, drop, hooks, flats.

Is the 176 the same as the 185, except with a bit of flare at the bottom? I
used to think that the 185s -- same 140 mm drop and short 90 mm reach --
were comfortable, until I discovered bars with longer ramps and shallower
drops.

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 12:08 PM,  wrote:

> Grant wrote:
>
> I THINK the consensus here is that a Noodle still wins (my vote, but
> that's to be expected, I'm sure).
>
>
>
> I had a Nitto 176 aka Dream Bar I bought from Riv and loved. Read the
> praise for Noodles, bought them and tried to love them but found them to be
> murder for my wrists. They are now adorning my cellarfloor while I had to
> search ebay for my second and third Dream Bar as Riv had taken its hand
> from them. IS there a concensus and I the peculiar outlier or what? Just
> asking.
>
>
>
> Olof Stroh
>
> Uppsala Sweden
>
>
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Re: Noodles uncomfortable? Was: [RBW] Re: Nitto M151F bar story behind it on all those riv builds lately?

[Bill Lindsay]

Noodle still wins for me.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 11:08:59 AM UTC-7, Olof Stroh wrote:
>
> Grant wrote:
>
> I THINK the consensus here is that a Noodle still wins (my vote, but 
> that's to be expected, I'm sure).
>
>  
>
> I had a Nitto 176 aka Dream Bar I bought from Riv and loved. Read the 
> praise for Noodles, bought them and tried to love them but found them to be 
> murder for my wrists. They are now adorning my cellarfloor while I had to 
> search ebay for my second and third Dream Bar as Riv had taken its hand 
> from them. IS there a concensus and I the peculiar outlier or what? Just 
> asking.
>
>  
>
> Olof Stroh
>
> Uppsala Sweden
>
>  
>

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Re: Noodles uncomfortable? Was: [RBW] Re: Nitto M151F bar story behind it on all those riv builds lately?

[Wally Estrella]

The Noodle has worked best for me on all the drops I've tried.  I have them 
on 3 different bikes.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/AaD2apK6asw/maxresdefault.jpg

The 176 looks like a nice bar too.



On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 2:08:59 PM UTC-4, Olof Stroh wrote:
>
> Grant wrote:
>
> I THINK the consensus here is that a Noodle still wins (my vote, but 
> that's to be expected, I'm sure).
>
>  
>
> I had a Nitto 176 aka Dream Bar I bought from Riv and loved. Read the 
> praise for Noodles, bought them and tried to love them but found them to be 
> murder for my wrists. They are now adorning my cellarfloor while I had to 
> search ebay for my second and third Dream Bar as Riv had taken its hand 
> from them. IS there a concensus and I the peculiar outlier or what? Just 
> asking.
>
>  
>
> Olof Stroh
>
> Uppsala Sweden
>
>  
>

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Re: Noodles uncomfortable? Was: [RBW] Re: Nitto M151F bar story behind it on all those riv builds lately?

[Ryan Fleming]

I have Dream bars and I like them

On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 1:08:59 PM UTC-5, Olof Stroh wrote:
>
> Grant wrote:
>
> I THINK the consensus here is that a Noodle still wins (my vote, but 
> that's to be expected, I'm sure).
>
>  
>
> I had a Nitto 176 aka Dream Bar I bought from Riv and loved. Read the 
> praise for Noodles, bought them and tried to love them but found them to be 
> murder for my wrists. They are now adorning my cellarfloor while I had to 
> search ebay for my second and third Dream Bar as Riv had taken its hand 
> from them. IS there a concensus and I the peculiar outlier or what? Just 
> asking.
>
>  
>
> Olof Stroh
>
> Uppsala Sweden
>
>  
>

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Noodles uncomfortable? Was: [RBW] Re: Nitto M151F bar story behind it on all those riv builds lately?

[olofstroh]

Grant wrote:

I THINK the consensus here is that a Noodle still wins (my vote, but that's to 
be expected, I'm sure).

 

I had a Nitto 176 aka Dream Bar I bought from Riv and loved. Read the praise 
for Noodles, bought them and tried to love them but found them to be murder for 
my wrists. They are now adorning my cellarfloor while I had to search ebay for 
my second and third Dream Bar as Riv had taken its hand from them. IS there a 
concensus and I the peculiar outlier or what? Just asking.

 

Olof Stroh

Uppsala Sweden

 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Deore shifters/pedals, Brand V barrel bag, wool vest, and more!

[Shawn Granton]

OK, bump.
I still have a few things left that I'd like to get rid of, so I've lowered 
prices. Consider this a 48 hour sale of sorts: If I don't get bites by 10 
pm Pacific Time on Saturday, the stuff will no longer be offered. I may sit 
on the items for awhile, donate, or in the case of a few things, go the 
dreaded eBay route. So now is your time!

And remember: For those of you outside of Portland, Oregon, Payment will be 
done by PayPal, and please email me your zip code to estimate shipping 
costs. (Shipping costs not included.) Local pickup in Portland in either 
Woodlawn (NE) or on SE Hawthorne. Payment can be made with cash. Please 
email all inquiries to urbanadventurelea...@gmail.com

   - *Shimano Deore “deerhead” thumb shifter.* Model number SL-M700. Yes, 
   the legendary beefy first generation Deore shifters that came stock on many 
   a decent mountain bike in the mid-80’s, before the advent of SIS. (The 
   shifters I sell are only friction.) These were stock on my Crested Butte. 
   They still work, but are getting worn and don’t perform as well as they 
   should, so be warned of this. But these shifters deserve a refurbishment 
   and I’m not the one to do that! *$25 for the pair.*
   - *Tektro FL750 brake lever, right side.* Modern “city bike” lever, has 
   22.2 clamp. *NOT A SET, JUST ONE. $5*
   - *Rubena Cityhopper Tires, 26x2.0"* (52-559) cream. The non "tourguard" 
   version of these decent wide urban tires. A bit dirty from use. If you are 
   on the less-light side, ride a heavy bike, or ride through less than ideal 
   conditions, I'd advise using a tire liner, thornproof tube, or tube 
   sealant. *FREE but LOCAL PICKUP ONLY*
   - *Jandd Fanny Pack.* Pretty darn basic, medium size.* FREE WITH 
   PURCHASE OF ANOTHER ITEM*
   - *Velo Orange steel rear fender, 700C size.* No hardware included. *$5 
   LOCAL PICKUP ONLY*
   - *Shimano Deore XT MTB pedals, late 80's vintage.* Designed to be used 
   with clips, or Powergrips, like the Powergrips included with the pedals! A 
   bit scuffed but still work fine. *$20 FOR THE PAIR.*
   - *Rivendell Brand V barrel bag. *The older version before the current 
   "Sackville Branding". Canvas bag with velcro straps and two side loops, so 
   can be mounted to handlebars or saddle. Pretty voluminous, the largest of 
   the "barrel" bags I've found! There are three patches on the front, glued 
   on with Shoe Goo, so they can be removed if you want. *$25.*
   
Thanks for looking!
-Shawn

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Re: [RBW] New BLUG post! Frank Jones Sr

[James Warren]

hah!

(Thanks)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 27, 2016, at 10:18 AM, Grant Petersen  wrote:
> 
> JIm, you win the covered HUH Prize, as the first responder to a contest most 
> didn't know was a contest! I will send you something in the mail designed to 
> elicit the same response again!
> 
>> On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 10:12 AM, James Warren  
>> wrote:
>> huh
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 27, 2016, at 9:09 AM, "Grant @ Rivendell"  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> The only lug that doesn't allow angle-versatility is the CLEM lug, which is 
>>> why we got the curvy seat stays--so we could make the chainsays the length 
>>> we wanted. The upper seat stay socket is cast into the lug, so isn't 
>>> variable. But structurally, it is SUPER.
>>> The lug and seat stay cap combo below (two pieces--the lug; the "sta-cap") 
>>> allows a million degrees of rotation, so there's no limit to the angle. It 
>>> has a neo-funqui look to it that I am warming up to because I see the 
>>> structural advantages and some building possibilities, but right now, for 
>>> me and for anybody who's gotten used to a normal side-of-lug attachment, 
>>> it's TAKES some getting used to. It requires the same amount of brazing as 
>>> a normal connection. Shown is the external cap, but there will be an 
>>> internal one, too--Fancy and Plain. 
>>> I promise to St. Peter that if this style was around in 1931 or whatever, 
>>> most subsequent bikes would have been made with it, but it's kind of odd 
>>> that it's coming out in 2017, when, if you were to ask the next pro-clad 
>>> bike rider you see "What's a seat lug?" he'd give you a three-letter, 
>>> one-syllabel, palindromic answer!
>>> 
 On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 7:27:50 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
 I'm wondering about this, at the bottom of the BLUG post:
 
 
 
 So, are the seat stay caps separate from the rest of the lug, then brazed 
 into the sockets on the back of the seat lug?  If so, that could be a good 
 way to build bikes of differing geometries with a single seat lug casting.
 
 The specific stay exit angle of the seat lug is what caused the Clem's 
 bendy seat stays; the desired lug didn't offer the correct stay angle to 
 match the lng chainstays.
 
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Richard Rios  
> wrote:
> Looks like a rad project. Blug says it will be drop bar compatable so I'm 
> guessing tt length should be reasonable. Wonder if it will be TiG or lugs 
> though?
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Re: [RBW] New BLUG post! Frank Jones Sr

[Grant Petersen]

JIm, you win the covered HUH Prize, as the first responder to a contest
most didn't know was a contest! I will send you something in the mail
designed to elicit the same response again!

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 10:12 AM, James Warren 
wrote:

> huh
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 27, 2016, at 9:09 AM, "Grant @ Rivendell" 
> wrote:
>
> The only lug that doesn't allow angle-versatility is the CLEM lug, which
> is why we got the curvy seat stays--so we could make the chainsays the
> length we wanted. The upper seat stay socket is cast into the lug, so isn't
> variable. But structurally, it is SUPER.
> The lug and seat stay cap combo below (two pieces--the lug; the "sta-cap")
> allows a million degrees of rotation, so there's no limit to the angle. It
> has a neo-funqui look to it that I am warming up to because I see the
> structural advantages and some building possibilities, but right now, for
> me and for anybody who's gotten used to a normal side-of-lug attachment,
> it's TAKES some getting used to. It requires the same amount of brazing as
> a normal connection. Shown is the external cap, but there will be an
> internal one, too--Fancy and Plain.
> I promise to St. Peter that if this style was around in 1931 or whatever,
> most subsequent bikes would have been made with it, but it's kind of odd
> that it's coming out in 2017, when, if you were to ask the next pro-clad
> bike rider you see "What's a seat lug?" he'd give you a three-letter,
> one-syllabel, palindromic answer!
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 7:27:50 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>
>> I'm wondering about this, at the bottom of the BLUG post:
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>> So, are the seat stay caps separate from the rest of the lug, then brazed
>> into the sockets on the back of the seat lug?  If so, that could be a good
>> way to build bikes of differing geometries with a single seat lug casting.
>>
>> The specific stay exit angle of the seat lug is what caused the Clem's
>> bendy seat stays; the desired lug didn't offer the correct stay angle to
>> match the lng chainstays.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Richard Rios 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like a rad project. Blug says it will be drop bar compatable so
>>> I'm guessing tt length should be reasonable. Wonder if it will be TiG or
>>> lugs though?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] New BLUG post! Frank Jones Sr

[James Warren]

huh

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 27, 2016, at 9:09 AM, "Grant @ Rivendell"  wrote:
> 
> The only lug that doesn't allow angle-versatility is the CLEM lug, which is 
> why we got the curvy seat stays--so we could make the chainsays the length we 
> wanted. The upper seat stay socket is cast into the lug, so isn't variable. 
> But structurally, it is SUPER.
> The lug and seat stay cap combo below (two pieces--the lug; the "sta-cap") 
> allows a million degrees of rotation, so there's no limit to the angle. It 
> has a neo-funqui look to it that I am warming up to because I see the 
> structural advantages and some building possibilities, but right now, for me 
> and for anybody who's gotten used to a normal side-of-lug attachment, it's 
> TAKES some getting used to. It requires the same amount of brazing as a 
> normal connection. Shown is the external cap, but there will be an internal 
> one, too--Fancy and Plain. 
> I promise to St. Peter that if this style was around in 1931 or whatever, 
> most subsequent bikes would have been made with it, but it's kind of odd that 
> it's coming out in 2017, when, if you were to ask the next pro-clad bike 
> rider you see "What's a seat lug?" he'd give you a three-letter, 
> one-syllabel, palindromic answer!
> 
>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 7:27:50 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>> I'm wondering about this, at the bottom of the BLUG post:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> So, are the seat stay caps separate from the rest of the lug, then brazed 
>> into the sockets on the back of the seat lug?  If so, that could be a good 
>> way to build bikes of differing geometries with a single seat lug casting.
>> 
>> The specific stay exit angle of the seat lug is what caused the Clem's bendy 
>> seat stays; the desired lug didn't offer the correct stay angle to match the 
>> lng chainstays.
>> 
>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Richard Rios  wrote:
>>> Looks like a rad project. Blug says it will be drop bar compatable so I'm 
>>> guessing tt length should be reasonable. Wonder if it will be TiG or lugs 
>>> though?
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[RBW] Re: Nitto M151F bar story behind it on all those riv builds lately?

[Lungimsam]

Unless the bars come from Nitto that way. I mean.

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Re: [RBW] New BLUG post! Frank Jones Sr

[Tim Gavin]

Very cool, Grant.  I figured (correctly) it was something you cooked up to
make a single seat lug casting work with any stay angle.  Lugged seat
clusters for all!

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 11:09 AM, Grant @ Rivendell 
wrote:

> The only lug that doesn't allow angle-versatility is the CLEM lug, which
> is why we got the curvy seat stays--so we could make the chainsays the
> length we wanted. The upper seat stay socket is cast into the lug, so isn't
> variable. But structurally, it is SUPER.
> The lug and seat stay cap combo below (two pieces--the lug; the "sta-cap")
> allows a million degrees of rotation, so there's no limit to the angle. It
> has a neo-funqui look to it that I am warming up to because I see the
> structural advantages and some building possibilities, but right now, for
> me and for anybody who's gotten used to a normal side-of-lug attachment,
> it's TAKES some getting used to. It requires the same amount of brazing as
> a normal connection. Shown is the external cap, but there will be an
> internal one, too--Fancy and Plain.
> I promise to St. Peter that if this style was around in 1931 or whatever,
> most subsequent bikes would have been made with it, but it's kind of odd
> that it's coming out in 2017, when, if you were to ask the next pro-clad
> bike rider you see "What's a seat lug?" he'd give you a three-letter,
> one-syllabel, palindromic answer!
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 7:27:50 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>
>> I'm wondering about this, at the bottom of the BLUG post:
>>
>> [image: Inline image 1]
>>
>> So, are the seat stay caps separate from the rest of the lug, then brazed
>> into the sockets on the back of the seat lug?  If so, that could be a good
>> way to build bikes of differing geometries with a single seat lug casting.
>>
>> The specific stay exit angle of the seat lug is what caused the Clem's
>> bendy seat stays; the desired lug didn't offer the correct stay angle to
>> match the lng chainstays.
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Richard Rios 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like a rad project. Blug says it will be drop bar compatable so
>>> I'm guessing tt length should be reasonable. Wonder if it will be TiG or
>>> lugs though?
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Nitto M151F bar story behind it on all those riv builds lately?

[Lungimsam]

Thanks for the info. I have them on my Rambouillet. They are shorter ramps for 
sure but that's one of the reasons I got them. Very comfortable. But after 
using noodles for so long I'm used to the bend back on the tops.  But seems 
like they're just as comfortable as noodles. Even for a century ride.

I am also interested in trying the Nitto MOD. 174 bar which looks like a mini 
noodle bar.

One comment I will make on the non heat treated Nitto bars:
 I had 41 noodles on my Sam. I was getting ready to lock up the Sam and the 
bike was on the kickstand. The bike tipped over towards the drive side and fell 
on the ground.  After that I started getting left arm pain when I would ride 
the bike. With new bars everything fine no more pain. I checked the fallen bars 
for alignment and they were bent about a millimeter. Laid the bars with back of 
tops on table and barends touching table. One barend was a mm or two off the 
table. They rock when pressing them Mark bar set video style. I am surprised 
that the bar got bent so easily just from the bike falling over at a standstill 
(unless the bars come out of alignment that way.). I thought perhaps a heat 
treated bar would not get bent so easily. But I ride narrow bars. I don't like 
the feel of wider bars.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Nitto M151F bar story behind it on all those riv builds lately?

[Jim Bronson]

I thought anatomical bars were the ones with a flattish section in the
downward bend for a flat "in the drops" position.

No?

These are also available in 31.8 as well which is cool for those that need
it, has an "SSB" in the product name.  Don't think Rivendell carries but
can be found on Interwebs.

-Jim

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 10:57 AM, Grant @ Rivendell 
wrote:

> We like them because they have a flattish ramp and a the only good looking
> ana-bend ever. I THINK the consensus here is that a Noodle still wins (my
> vote, but that's to be expected, I'm sure)...but we don't automatically
> dislike handlebars we didn't design! It's a nice bar. The reach is super
> short for a drop bar (the Noddle has a normal reach--numbers are probably
> like 80/92---sorry to jargonize here--it just means there's less fwd bend.
> That's either slightly good or slightly bad---it's not a winnable contest
> either way--. The bar is not heat treated, and so it's not as strong, and
> I'll f ind out about the alloy. I don't generally like to engage in
> scuttlebutt, but I believe all the heat-treated NITTO alum bars are made of
> 2014 alloy aluminum, heat-treatd to T6; and the non-HT noodles are 5056
> aluminum, and my s-butt factor here is rising, but I think these are a mere
> 6061-non HT. I'll find out and report back.
> We also like them because they're so cheap.
> Don't ride them off road and probably don't use them if you're an
> economizing burly brute, but for regular old Cinelli-style road use, sure.
>
> G
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 4:24:35 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>>
>> Was wondering what the story is behind the use of them on the rivbuilds
>> I'm seeing online now.
>> I wonder if they're planning on selling them and adding them to their
>> selection? Also wonder what they think about those bars?
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Re: [RBW] New BLUG post! Frank Jones Sr

[Grant @ Rivendell]

The only lug that doesn't allow angle-versatility is the CLEM lug, which is 
why we got the curvy seat stays--so we could make the chainsays the length 
we wanted. The upper seat stay socket is cast into the lug, so isn't 
variable. But structurally, it is SUPER.
The lug and seat stay cap combo below (two pieces--the lug; the "sta-cap") 
allows a million degrees of rotation, so there's no limit to the angle. It 
has a neo-funqui look to it that I am warming up to because I see the 
structural advantages and some building possibilities, but right now, for 
me and for anybody who's gotten used to a normal side-of-lug attachment, 
it's TAKES some getting used to. It requires the same amount of brazing as 
a normal connection. Shown is the external cap, but there will be an 
internal one, too--Fancy and Plain. 
I promise to St. Peter that if this style was around in 1931 or whatever, 
most subsequent bikes would have been made with it, but it's kind of odd 
that it's coming out in 2017, when, if you were to ask the next pro-clad 
bike rider you see "What's a seat lug?" he'd give you a three-letter, 
one-syllabel, palindromic answer!

On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 7:27:50 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> I'm wondering about this, at the bottom of the BLUG post:
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> So, are the seat stay caps separate from the rest of the lug, then brazed 
> into the sockets on the back of the seat lug?  If so, that could be a good 
> way to build bikes of differing geometries with a single seat lug casting.
>
> The specific stay exit angle of the seat lug is what caused the Clem's 
> bendy seat stays; the desired lug didn't offer the correct stay angle to 
> match the lng chainstays.
>
> On Tue, Oct 25, 2016 at 7:20 PM, Richard Rios  > wrote:
>
>> Looks like a rad project. Blug says it will be drop bar compatable so I'm 
>> guessing tt length should be reasonable. Wonder if it will be TiG or lugs 
>> though?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Nitto M151F bar story behind it on all those riv builds lately?

[Grant @ Rivendell]

We like them because they have a flattish ramp and a the only good looking 
ana-bend ever. I THINK the consensus here is that a Noodle still wins (my 
vote, but that's to be expected, I'm sure)...but we don't automatically 
dislike handlebars we didn't design! It's a nice bar. The reach is super 
short for a drop bar (the Noddle has a normal reach--numbers are probably 
like 80/92---sorry to jargonize here--it just means there's less fwd bend. 
That's either slightly good or slightly bad---it's not a winnable contest 
either way--. The bar is not heat treated, and so it's not as strong, and 
I'll f ind out about the alloy. I don't generally like to engage in 
scuttlebutt, but I believe all the heat-treated NITTO alum bars are made of 
2014 alloy aluminum, heat-treatd to T6; and the non-HT noodles are 5056 
aluminum, and my s-butt factor here is rising, but I think these are a mere 
6061-non HT. I'll find out and report back.
We also like them because they're so cheap. 
Don't ride them off road and probably don't use them if you're an 
economizing burly brute, but for regular old Cinelli-style road use, sure.

G


On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 4:24:35 PM UTC-7, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> Was wondering what the story is behind the use of them on the rivbuilds 
> I'm seeing online now.
> I wonder if they're planning on selling them and adding them to their 
> selection? Also wonder what they think about those bars?

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[RBW] Re: Rosco v.3

[Philip Kim]

nope, sizing wouldn't work for me at all. once of the downfalls of being 
short

On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 8:46:10 AM UTC-4, Belopsky wrote:
>
> I like the color. Would this size even work for you Phil?
>
> On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> I like it. That lift bar seems super handy coming from someone who always 
>> has to lug his bike up and down stairs.
>>
>> singlespeed and derailleur options as well.
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 6:56:30 PM UTC-4, Matt Rhodes wrote:
>>>
>>> Looks like Rosco v.3 is available for pre-order: 
>>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-rosco-r58.htm
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New BLUG post! Frank Jones Sr

[David Stein]

I'm in no way saying i wouldn't enjoy the bike, but there's a certain
appeal in the name and Rivendell has always had incredibly awesome names.

On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 7:37 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> It's a little sad to me that there are people who would fail to enjoy
> their bike if it had a different name. For what it's worth, Hunqapillar is
> a family name that Grant saw on a mailbox on tour.
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[RBW] Rosco v2 has landed!

[Jon BALER]

Nice!   Mine should be arriving at Gravel and Grind very soon. 

Yes, the v2 was going to be glossy machine green. I look forward to seeing it 
in person. 
http://roscobubbe.tumblr.com

Jon
Ellicott City

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[RBW] Re: Rosco v.3

[iamkeith]

Description of both being "roadish" does seem slightly suspect.   It's 
interesting that they intentionally cropped off the handlebars in the 
photos of #5.  A quick comparison tells me it might be similar to a 58cm 
production Joe, which would fit roughly the same size.  Top tube is 
slightly shorter, but seat tube is slightly steeper, so probably a wash. 
 Chainstays are actually quite a bit shorter than the Joe, so nowhere near 
"clemmish."

On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 7:43:06 AM UTC-6, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> #s 4 and 5 are for about the same range of PBH and saddle heights, but 
> they are very different designs.
> #4 is 58 x 57.5, 45 cm chain stays, a nearly horizontal top tube and 
> 33.3mm clearances
> #5 has a 55 cm st with a 60 cm upsloping tt, Clemish chainstays, tires up 
> to 40mm and a longer head tube
> Both are listed as roadish.
>
> Can someone translate this into ride characteristics and/or analogs to 
> stock models?
>
>
> Jay
>
> On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 1:56:30 AM UTC+3, Matt Rhodes wrote:
>
>> Looks like Rosco v.3 is available for pre-order: 
>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-rosco-r58.htm
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New BLUG post! Frank Jones Sr

[Bill Lindsay]

It's a little sad to me that there are people who would fail to enjoy their 
bike if it had a different name. For what it's worth, Hunqapillar is a family 
name that Grant saw on a mailbox on tour. 

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[RBW] Re: Rosco v.3

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

If you follow the links to the Riv website, there are geometry diagrams 
among the pictures.

On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 5:11:00 PM UTC+3, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Where are you seeing the geometry specifications, Jay?  I must be missing 
> something.  And I've been wondering too.  The green #5 is the first Rosco 
> that's fit me, and I happen to think it is proportionally gorgeous with the 
> extra tube.  But being "roadish geometry" and limited to 40mm tires, I'm 
> not sure what it would give me that my other bikes don't already.  
>
> On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 7:43:06 AM UTC-6, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>>
>> #s 4 and 5 are for about the same range of PBH and saddle heights, but 
>> they are very different designs.
>> #4 is 58 x 57.5, 45 cm chain stays, a nearly horizontal top tube and 
>> 33.3mm clearances
>> #5 has a 55 cm st with a 60 cm upsloping tt, Clemish chainstays, tires up 
>> to 40mm and a longer head tube
>> Both are listed as roadish.
>>
>> Can someone translate this into ride characteristics and/or analogs to 
>> stock models?
>>
>>
>> Jay
>>
>> On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 1:56:30 AM UTC+3, Matt Rhodes wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like Rosco v.3 is available for pre-order: 
>>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-rosco-r58.htm
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rosco v.3

[iamkeith]

Never mind.  I refreshed my browser, and I see that they've added a 
diagram.   

On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 8:11:00 AM UTC-6, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Where are you seeing the geometry specifications, Jay?  I must be missing 
> something.  And I've been wondering too.  The green #5 is the first Rosco 
> that's fit me, and I happen to think it is proportionally gorgeous with the 
> extra tube.  But being "roadish geometry" and limited to 40mm tires, I'm 
> not sure what it would give me that my other bikes don't already.  
>
> On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 7:43:06 AM UTC-6, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>>
>> #s 4 and 5 are for about the same range of PBH and saddle heights, but 
>> they are very different designs.
>> #4 is 58 x 57.5, 45 cm chain stays, a nearly horizontal top tube and 
>> 33.3mm clearances
>> #5 has a 55 cm st with a 60 cm upsloping tt, Clemish chainstays, tires up 
>> to 40mm and a longer head tube
>> Both are listed as roadish.
>>
>> Can someone translate this into ride characteristics and/or analogs to 
>> stock models?
>>
>>
>> Jay
>>
>> On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 1:56:30 AM UTC+3, Matt Rhodes wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like Rosco v.3 is available for pre-order: 
>>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-rosco-r58.htm
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rosco v.3

[iamkeith]

Where are you seeing the geometry specifications, Jay?  I must be missing 
something.  And I've been wondering too.  The green #5 is the first Rosco 
that's fit me, and I happen to think it is proportionally gorgeous with the 
extra tube.  But being "roadish geometry" and limited to 40mm tires, I'm 
not sure what it would give me that my other bikes don't already.  

On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 7:43:06 AM UTC-6, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> #s 4 and 5 are for about the same range of PBH and saddle heights, but 
> they are very different designs.
> #4 is 58 x 57.5, 45 cm chain stays, a nearly horizontal top tube and 
> 33.3mm clearances
> #5 has a 55 cm st with a 60 cm upsloping tt, Clemish chainstays, tires up 
> to 40mm and a longer head tube
> Both are listed as roadish.
>
> Can someone translate this into ride characteristics and/or analogs to 
> stock models?
>
>
> Jay
>
> On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 1:56:30 AM UTC+3, Matt Rhodes wrote:
>
>> Looks like Rosco v.3 is available for pre-order: 
>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-rosco-r58.htm
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rosco v.3

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

#s 4 and 5 are for about the same range of PBH and saddle heights, but they 
are very different designs.
#4 is 58 x 57.5, 45 cm chain stays, a nearly horizontal top tube and 33.3mm 
clearances
#5 has a 55 cm st with a 60 cm upsloping tt, Clemish chainstays, tires up 
to 40mm and a longer head tube
Both are listed as roadish.

Can someone translate this into ride characteristics and/or analogs to 
stock models?


Jay

On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 1:56:30 AM UTC+3, Matt Rhodes wrote:

> Looks like Rosco v.3 is available for pre-order: 
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-rosco-r58.htm
>

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot build in progress

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

Ted,
Looks like a fun build for you.
Keep us updated on the progress...photos.
Jon

On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 8:22:58 PM UTC-6, RonaTD wrote:

> I have started the construction process on my Cheviot. Frame is a 55, so 
> 650B wheels. Saddle height is 72cm. Color is gray. Details so far … old BoB 
> Brooks B17 saddle, Albatross bars on a Tallux 11cm stem (thanks Hugh S!), 
> Deore rear hub and Schmidt front dyno hub laced to Synergy rims. Compass 
> Babyshoe Pass 42 tires are measuring 38.5mm so far, Mark’s rack on the 
> front with a short Edelux light mount and Edelux light, VO Zepplin Noir 
> fenders, XD2 crank with 42/30 chainrings and a chainring protector, 12-32 8 
> speed cassette. Front fender fit required an extra spacer on the daruma 
> bolt, as there is a fair amount of brake interference. It will be fine when 
> the cables are installed. Rear fender fit is going to be a challenge. Why, 
> for the love of all that is good and holy, can’t RBW place bridges equal 
> distance from the axle? Three bridges on the rear of the Cheviot, and all 
> three are wildly different placements. 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ronatd/albums/72157674363540271 <
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ronatd/albums/72157674363540271>
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI
>

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[RBW] Re: Rosco v.3

[Belopsky]

I like the color. Would this size even work for you Phil?

On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 8:28:52 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> I like it. That lift bar seems super handy coming from someone who always 
> has to lug his bike up and down stairs.
>
> singlespeed and derailleur options as well.
>
> On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 6:56:30 PM UTC-4, Matt Rhodes wrote:
>>
>> Looks like Rosco v.3 is available for pre-order: 
>> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-rosco-r58.htm
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rosco v.3

[Philip Kim]

I like it. That lift bar seems super handy coming from someone who always 
has to lug his bike up and down stairs.

singlespeed and derailleur options as well.

On Wednesday, October 26, 2016 at 6:56:30 PM UTC-4, Matt Rhodes wrote:
>
> Looks like Rosco v.3 is available for pre-order: 
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-rosco-r58.htm
>

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[RBW] Re: Rosco v.3

[Belopsky]

"Eww gross" - Valley Girl

On Thursday, October 27, 2016 at 8:02:36 AM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> Not understanding the gross part of your comment. I'm glad they are doing 
> some unique projects. I think they already pretty much acknowledged that 
> some would like them and others not do much. Choice and variety is a thing 
> in my book

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[RBW] Re: Rosco v.3

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Not understanding the gross part of your comment. I'm glad they are doing some 
unique projects. I think they already pretty much acknowledged that some would 
like them and others not do much. Choice and variety is a thing in my book

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[RBW] Re: Rosco v.3

[Belopsky]

Ugh, gross. I guess this is Riv's way of saying "Hey buy our bikes, they're 
like our mainline but slightly different, and we're not comfortable 
charging you $950 for a frame that will ride as well as our $2000 frames, 
so we need to differentiate them a bit more"

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Re: [RBW] Re: New BLUG post! Frank Jones Sr

[Joe Bernard]

I love my Joe Appaloosa with the cool horsey name and graphics; I think it's 
fits well with the sky blue paint 'cause I picture a beautiful horse under a 
sunny sky. But I couldn't for the life of me explain to someone what Joe 
Appaloosa means, or why it's presented as the maker of the bike, with the 
actual company name harder to find. It's just Grant's thing, and he owns the 
business!

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