[RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Ron Mc]

I had a really fast greenway ride today because the trails were all but 
deserted due to our s. Texas winter weather.  50 degrees, overcast and low 
humidity - it was great.  
I began in the middle, went to one end, crossed back and went back to the 
other end.  
Near that 3/4 turnaround, I could see a mother ahead through the trees 
herding 2 small kids, so I rang my first announcement bell, and another as 
I approached closer, and of course I slowed way down to ride by them.  
The mother apologized.  I told her no, you guys have a blast.  
On my way back, the mother did something really cool - she did nothing. She 
didn't lunge for her daughter on the tricycle or yell at her.  She left 
alone to broaden her own horizons.  
As I was about to pass the little girl I gave a soft ring and she looked 
over her shoulder to see where I was.  
Clearly, the mother felt safe with my awareness of her daughter.  

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[RBW] Re: Clem / long CS CROW PIE!

[Bill M.]

Apparently the Big One / S One are already gone, replaced by the G-One 
Speed and G-One Allround.  Not sure what has changed besides the names...

Bill
Riding 60-584 Big Ones on a Clem in Stockton,CA

On Thursday, December 29, 2016 at 7:20:10 PM UTC-8, franklyn wrote:
>
> 26" tires are plentiful, but 650b/27.5 tires, especially dirt ones, are no 
> longer a scarcity. All the major tire makers have multiple lines for 
> multiple uses. I was on a online retailer's website and there was more than 
> 150 different options. And they don't make some newer fancy tires in 26" 
> anymore. For example, schwalbe's new Big One/S One tires, which are either 
> 60 or 70mm wide, weighs less than 600g per, and have low rolling 
> resistance, are only available in 29" and 27.5. 
>
> Just saying
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 53cm Roadeo

[lum gim fong]

Wow! Nice price for a new Roadeo.

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[RBW] Re: Puzzling out a Nigel Smithe Saddlebag

[lum gim fong]

Also, looks like you can snuggle up the mountin' straps a couple notches Maybe 
that will raise it high enough so the buckles don't hit the rack.

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[RBW] Re: Puzzling out a Nigel Smithe Saddlebag

[lum gim fong]

looks like you have an unoccupied rack platform. Just buy and install a trunk 
bag. Nigel brand  or not.
No need for a saddle bag if you already have a rack platform right there.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Thinking about selling my Rambouillet

[lum gim fong]

~5mm at fork blades
~3mm at chainstays.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Sugino XD2 crank arm( left/ non drive side)

[Dave Johnston]

A quick look reveals quite a few choices. Here are two:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Sugino-XD-170mm-Left-Square-Taper-Crank-Arm-Silver-/191858247554?hash=item2caba48782:g:o9gAAOSwSdZWcFrF

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sugino-XD-170mm-Left-Square-Taper-Crank-Arm-Silver-/401248656673?hash=item5d6c489d21:g:oPcAAOSwnHZYXyrS

On Friday, December 30, 2016 at 5:29:51 PM UTC-5, Michael Williams wrote:
>
> Hey group,  wondering if anyone has a left only 170mm Sugino XD2 crank arm 
> theyre looking to sell.  I think mine is shot.  Thank you!   -Mike

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Sugino XD2 crank arm( left/ non drive side)

[Dave Johnston]

I've gotten one off ebay before. Although the part number might be 
different it looked the same. 

-Dave

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> Hey group,  wondering if anyone has a left only 170mm Sugino XD2 crank arm 
> theyre looking to sell.  I think mine is shot.  Thank you!   -Mike

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[RBW] Re: Clem / long CS CROW PIE!

[Joe Bernard]

I'll bet that Hunqapillar would've benefited from a different bar. I tried the 
original Riv Bullmoose for a few months (street riding) and they were a 
disaster for my wrists. Lovely to look at, but I quickly sold them to someone 
who could actually use them as handlebars. 

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[RBW] Re: Puzzling out a Nigel Smithe Saddlebag

[islaysteve]

I have to admit that I didn't consider velcro, but you're right, it would 
hard to sew in this application.  I used small grommets on the flap, but as 
you can see in the pic, they are starting to pull out.  Hand-sewn eyelets 
would probably be better.  The shock cord can be adjusted for length (for 
varying loads) by using barrel adjusters underneath.  Good luck, and Happy 
New Year to you and your family, Steve

On Friday, December 30, 2016 at 7:53:30 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I like that idea, Steve. Thanks. I'll play with it. (my sewers will like 
> that it is much simpler than the velcro (which is very hard to sew by hand, 
> at least the stuff we have.).
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Friday, December 30, 2016 at 5:38:21 PM UTC-7, islaysteve wrote:
>>
>>
>> Here's the photo, didn't know how to add a photo from my iPad. 
>> Steve
>>
>> On Friday, December 30, 2016 at 7:30:26 PM UTC-5, islaysteve wrote:
>>>
>>> Patrick, I don't know if this will be helpful, but I too performed a 
>>> bucklectomy on a Baggins bag, this one a Banana.  I cut off the lower strap 
>>> (with buckle) and folded the upper strap up under the flap and secured it 
>>> with a brass screw and nut.  The fastening is via elastic shock cord, 
>>> similar to what is used on some Rando bags. Hope this photo is clear 
>>> enough, I will be glad to provide further details if you'd like them.  Your 
>>> bag is beautiful, but I understand the need to make it functional as well! 
>>>  I am so much happier with mine every time I open it to get something. 
>>>  (Will post photo in next post).  Cheers, Steve
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Puzzling out a Nigel Smithe Saddlebag

[Deacon Patrick]

I like that idea, Steve. Thanks. I'll play with it. (my sewers will like 
that it is much simpler than the velcro (which is very hard to sew by hand, 
at least the stuff we have.).

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, December 30, 2016 at 5:38:21 PM UTC-7, islaysteve wrote:
>
>
> Here's the photo, didn't know how to add a photo from my iPad. 
> Steve
>
> On Friday, December 30, 2016 at 7:30:26 PM UTC-5, islaysteve wrote:
>>
>> Patrick, I don't know if this will be helpful, but I too performed a 
>> bucklectomy on a Baggins bag, this one a Banana.  I cut off the lower strap 
>> (with buckle) and folded the upper strap up under the flap and secured it 
>> with a brass screw and nut.  The fastening is via elastic shock cord, 
>> similar to what is used on some Rando bags. Hope this photo is clear 
>> enough, I will be glad to provide further details if you'd like them.  Your 
>> bag is beautiful, but I understand the need to make it functional as well! 
>>  I am so much happier with mine every time I open it to get something. 
>>  (Will post photo in next post).  Cheers, Steve
>
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Re: [RBW] Hungry, Hungry Hunqapillar

[Deacon Patrick]

Groceries were all in the rear. Front TrunkSack had gloves and wind vest if 
needed. I rode most of the way home in 38 x 12 gear, whatever that is. But 
I cranked up to the top of a hill in 38 x 34, so not single speed. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, December 30, 2016 at 5:33:06 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> That's almost double what I've carried (though my 2 recorded 45 lb loads 
> were all on the rear). I have to say that I am impressed. But I'll bet you 
> didn't ride it home in a ~70" fixed gear.
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[RBW] Re: Puzzling out a Nigel Smithe Saddlebag

[islaysteve]

Here's the photo, didn't know how to add a photo from my iPad. 
Steve

On Friday, December 30, 2016 at 7:30:26 PM UTC-5, islaysteve wrote:
>
> Patrick, I don't know if this will be helpful, but I too performed a 
> bucklectomy on a Baggins bag, this one a Banana.  I cut off the lower strap 
> (with buckle) and folded the upper strap up under the flap and secured it 
> with a brass screw and nut.  The fastening is via elastic shock cord, 
> similar to what is used on some Rando bags. Hope this photo is clear 
> enough, I will be glad to provide further details if you'd like them.  Your 
> bag is beautiful, but I understand the need to make it functional as well! 
>  I am so much happier with mine every time I open it to get something. 
>  (Will post photo in next post).  Cheers, Steve

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Re: [RBW] Re: Puzzling out a Nigel Smithe Saddlebag

[Jeff Lesperance]

Seems to be a desirable bag - if it were mine, and I didn't have a
sentimental attachment to it, I'd look for an alternative use for it or
sell/trade it and replace with a bag that works better in that space. I'd
try to avoid surgery, even without a sentimental attachment - it might be
under-engineered, but it appears beautifully crafted.

One alternative I'd consider is attaching some type of standoff either to
the bottom of the bag, back edge of bag, top of rack or backside of
seatpost so as to support the bag so it's sits at less of an angle, such
that accessing the buckles is less obscured and the buckles don't contact
the rack.

-Jeff
Silver Spring, MD





On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 6:36 PM Deacon Patrick  wrote:

Holy smokes! They posted the size of houses. Sorry 'bout that.

With abandon,
Patrick


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Attaching two photos but I’m not sure how that works with Google Groups, so
if it flops, I’ll add them in a follow up post and clutter your inbox.









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Re: [RBW] Hungry, Hungry Hunqapillar

[Patrick Moore]

That's almost double what I've carried (though my 2 recorded 45 lb loads
were all on the rear). I have to say that I am impressed. But I'll bet you
didn't ride it home in a ~70" fixed gear.

On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> 85 pounds of groceries in one load today (40 more in a second load).
> Details on the new Frost River Highway 61 panniers and Rivendells Big Back
> Rack (no tombstone and lower mount for panniers!). Delicious!
> http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/hungry-hungry-hunqapillar/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: Puzzling out a Nigel Smithe Saddlebag

[islaysteve]

Patrick, I don't know if this will be helpful, but I too performed a 
bucklectomy on a Baggins bag, this one a Banana.  I cut off the lower strap 
(with buckle) and folded the upper strap up under the flap and secured it with 
a brass screw and nut.  The fastening is via elastic shock cord, similar to 
what is used on some Rando bags. Hope this photo is clear enough, I will be 
glad to provide further details if you'd like them.  Your bag is beautiful, but 
I understand the need to make it functional as well!  I am so much happier with 
mine every time I open it to get something.  (Will post photo in next post).  
Cheers, Steve

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[RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed

[iamkeith]

I too keep seeing the title of this thread, and thinking of something 
different.   I wonder if this could help, though:

The only bell I have on any of my bikes is a "bear bell,"  kind of like one 
of THESE 
.
 
 (There are exponentially more bears and mountain lions and moose where I 
live, than there are paved pathways)

Anyway, there is a little magnet, embedded in a short strap, attached to 
the bell.  Moving the magnet to the bottom of the bell holds the clapper 
tight against the inside, so it doesn't jingle.  (moslty)  I know the 
brass on a typical bike bell isn't magnetic but, if the clapper is, maybe 
there's a way to add a magnet to keep it from bouncing so much.





On Thursday, December 29, 2016 at 10:48:43 PM UTC-7, Ian A wrote:
>
> I just keep reading the subject line as "Silent Bell Needed". So I did a 
> Google search in that vein and was directed to a page about "the sounds 
> of five Buddhist temple bells in Kyoto, Japan when they are not ringing"
>
> http://echosounddesign.com/media/HIgashi_Honganji.mp3
> https://bolesblogs.com/2011/06/01/what-is-the-sound-of-a-silent-bell/
>
> Not exactly on topic, but it somehow fits with the Deacon's wonderful 
> spirituality, so I thought I should share it.
>
> Ian A/Canada.
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 9:38:22 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Bells are designed to reverberate. They take the vibration of a ride, 
>> even when not intended to be rung, and “hum.” Anyone have suggestions for 
>> the most silent, stealth bell you’ve experienced, there when you need it, 
>> uterly silent when you don't? 
>>
>> With abandon, 
>> Patrick 
>>
>> www.OurHolyConception.org 
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Puzzling out a Nigel Smithe Saddlebag

[Deacon Patrick]

Holy smokes! They posted the size of houses. Sorry 'bout that.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Clem / long CS CROW PIE!

[Kai Vierstra]

Clems are the best!, at least 20% better than the Appaloosa. Only wish I had 
done some fancy brush work to line it's lovely TIG welds. And long chainstays 
land jumps better/automatically.
-Kai Vierstra 
Brooklyn NY 

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[RBW] WTT Sackville SaddleSack Large for a Medium

[Kai Vierstra]

I've got a medium tan that's in fine condition, plenty of dust and maybe some 
spilt coffee drips, but fine condition. I'll take some pictures...
-Kai Vierstra 
Brooklyn NY 

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[RBW] Hungry, Hungry Hunqapillar

[Kai Vierstra]

Amen to low mounted high calories!
-Kai Vierstra 
Brooklyn NY 

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[RBW] Re: Clem / long CS CROW PIE!

[Richard Rios]

Thanks for the feedback ian. I read as much as I can and hand wring while 
trying to make sense of the numbers but admittedly I am no where near close to 
an expert on any of that. I usually just go by how a bike"feels" for what I am 
looking to do with it. Now I had a long CS hunqapillar proto  that really 
didn't end up working for me. Perhaps it was my expectation of the bike based 
on what I was thinking of using it for / as a "mountain bike that really didn't 
make it work for me. or perhaps it was the way it was set up and how that got 
along with my body proportions (longish? top tube bullmoose bars and long CS). 
When i rode the appa I really didn't go into it expecting anything and I have a 
surly that covers mountain biking so I wasn't framing the bike up as a full 
blown off roader. When i just left well enough alone and pedaled...the ride was 
GREAT. Just felt fun like a sporty kids bike. Made me want to "just ride" 
around endlessly slaloming through anything I could find fast or slow didn't 
seem to matter. I'm not exactly sure what makes the bike feel the way it does 
or different from my first experience with long CS,  but I gotta say it again 
the ride felt great! Perhaps  swept back bars are the magic ticket that make 
the long CS shine for me, have to shake my head and say I dunno!? Does it 
matter? But if the Clem rides even 80 percent the same as an appa then that is 
totally close enough for me. As for the lugs I have a couple of other Rivs with 
a full Monty worth of em. I actually like that clem is a bit plain. I am in my 
40s now and grew up in the era of base ball card collecting and the notion of 
keeping everything in gem mint condition. That has kinda followed me and I hope 
to see clem as a little less precious and beausage worthy...we shall see !) 
bAnyy the way any one want to buy a hoard of mint condition 1990s baseball 
cards !) I'll let um go cheap...

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[RBW] WTB: Sugino XD2 crank arm( left/ non drive side)

[Michael Williams]

Hey group,  wondering if anyone has a left only 170mm Sugino XD2 crank arm 
theyre looking to sell.  I think mine is shot.  Thank you!   -Mike

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[RBW] WTT Sackville SaddleSack Large for a Medium

[Chad]

I've got an almost new large tan SaddleSack that I would like to trade for 
a medium SaddleSack in good condition.  Color does not matter.  The large 
is just a little too big for everyday use IMHO.

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Re: [RBW] What is the RULE for Positioning the Tire Name on the Rim

[Philip Williamson]

I just showed my son how to change a flat, and started with, "The label 
goes by the valve stem, so you can find the cause of the flat. Or it could 
be this thumbtack stuck in your tire."


Philip
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On Friday, December 23, 2016 at 4:33:16 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Having the label aligned with the valve hole also helps you find whatever 
> was stuck in your tire that gave you a flat. Once you find the hole in the 
> tube, go to that position on the tire to look for the offending item. If 
> the hole is 90 degrees from the valve, look at both places 90 degrees from 
> the label on the tire.
>
> It can be very hard to find tiny pieces of wire or glass, but knowing 
> where the leak was makes this much easier.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> www.campyonly.com
> campyonlyguy.blogspot.com 
>
> On Dec 23, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Reed Kennedy  
> wrote:
>
> Per Brooks over on the Retrogrouch blog:
>
> *"When using clincher tires, the tire labels should be lined up with the 
> valve stem. That's not just an aesthetic affectation -- it can help when it 
> comes time to locate and fix a punctured tire... Labels should be 
> visible/readable from the drive side of the bike."*
> -- 
> http://bikeretrogrouch.blogspot.com/2016/11/retrogrouch-rules-proper-bike-setup.html
>
> That lines up with what I was taught at my LBS many moons ago, and what I 
> have done ever since. 
>
> Because I'm pedantic and some tire labels run for several inches these 
> days, I personally line the valve stem up with whatever aspect of the label 
> seems to best qualify as a "logo". On Compass tires, that's the blue oval 
> that says Compass in it. On Paselas I go the thing shaped like two swoopy 
> parenthesis.
>
>
> Reed
>
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 4:08 PM, John Hawrylak  > wrote:
>
>> Sorry for the softball question, but I always forget.  I want to say the 
>> Tire Name is 180° from the Valve Stem and on the non-drive side.
>>
>> I searched for RULES but did not find the one which had a link to the 
>> Rules.
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 53cm Roadeo

[Chad]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Roadeo-/142223741386?hash=item211d3211ca:g:rcEAAOSw-0xYYCDj#ht_82wt_1105

On Thursday, December 15, 2016 at 4:28:37 PM UTC-6, dstein wrote:

> As I've learned buying and selling a few bikes there's definitely less 
> demand for shorter 54cm and below sized bikes (especially on this list). 
> I've always had incredible luck with craigslist, but i have the benefit of 
> being the bay area. Might need to try ebay and suck up the fees to reach a 
> wider audience. The price is great considering what a new new one costs.
>
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 2:22 PM, lum gim fong  > wrote:
>
>> I can't believe it hasn't sold yet.
>> Definitely a dream bike!
>> But maybe it falls into a certain niche that isn't popular on this forum.
>>
>> My speculation:
>>  speculating that a 53  is for a person less than  5'8" tall. That's a 
>> minority group, and Im in it.
>> The other thing I'm speculating is that not many people that size and 
>> shorter are into 700 C around here.
>> i'm thinking the 700 C crowd around here is the tall folks on the Taller 
>> bikes that were made by Rivendell with 700c wheels.
>>
>> so I'm thinking that's why it hasn't gone so quick because you're going 
>> to have to find a person less than 5"8" who like 700 C around this forum, 
>> and who needs a bike.
>>
>> Pure speculation. But the only scenario I can think of as to why a 
>> dreambike like this didn't get snatched up fast!!
>> Hope somebody will buy it soon.
>>
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[RBW] Hungry, Hungry Hunqapillar

[Deacon Patrick]

85 pounds of groceries in one load today (40 more in a second load). Details on 
the new Frost River Highway 61 panniers and Rivendells Big Back Rack (no 
tombstone and lower mount for panniers!). Delicious!
http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/hungry-hungry-hunqapillar/

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Clem / long CS CROW PIE!

[ian m]

I guarantee the Clem wont feel any heavier than the Appaloosa, and if you 
really want to negate any claims of "stoutness" or "husky-tude  " then throw a 
couple racks and luggage on old Clem, it will handle with aplomb and you can 
pass any blame for  perceived feelings of heaviness on the added utility. The 
Clem is a fantastic bike and the only thing you may miss will be lugs

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[RBW] Re: XT front derailleur with Sugino XD2 triple on a Hunqapillar?

[Deacon Patrick]

Ha! My problem is I have perfect hearing and mine was always making noise. 
So I took it off and shift with my fingers (and made my middle chain ring a 
wide-narrow and am in it unless  on steep trails.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, December 30, 2016 at 1:28:29 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Patrick, mine has this feature, too. I presume it doesn't rub much, but it 
> may just be my no-longer-a-young-man hearing. "Do you hear that?" 'Hear 
> what?' ;-)

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[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Cheviot Complete

[Deacon Patrick]

Good call! Besides, we Jones', when you do catch up with us, really aren't 
worth Jonesing after in the first place. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, December 29, 2016 at 1:50:36 PM UTC-7, Clayton.sf wrote:
>
> yeah keeping it ;-)
>
> settled on steel vs ti ;-)
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[RBW] Re: FS: 60cm Cheviot Complete

[Les Lammers]

Good. The therapy session is on the house. :-)

rsday, December 29, 2016 at 3:50:36 PM UTC-5, Clayton.sf wrote:

> yeah keeping it ;-)
>
> settled on steel vs ti ;-)
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[RBW] Re: NEW BIKE DAY!

[Les Lammers]

Roaming free is better than the trainer. Enjoy the new ride!

er 29, 2016 at 7:33:52 PM UTC-5, Kellie wrote:
>
> First ride outside (been on a trainer) since hand surgery.
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Friday, December 16, 2016 at 2:59:52 PM UTC-8, Kellie wrote:
>>
>> Two months in the queue at Waterford; just finished the build.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
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[RBW] Re: XT front derailleur with Sugino XD2 triple on a Hunqapillar?

[Joe Bernard]

Patrick, mine has this feature, too. I presume it doesn't rub much, but it may 
just be my no-longer-a-young-man hearing. "Do you hear that?" 'Hear what?' ;-)

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[RBW] Re: XT front derailleur with Sugino XD2 triple on a Hunqapillar?

[Deacon Patrick]

I've set my front derailure to auto adjusting. Now it is always in perfect 
trim and makes no sound whatsoever.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 11:47:39 PM UTC-7, Jack Doran wrote:
>
> I haven't had any luck getting rid of chain rub against the front 
> derailleur plate of a Deore XT front derailleur on my Hunqapillar (Dura Ace 
> shifters). I have a 108 Phil Wood hub and the granny ring is pretty close 
> to the chain stay as it is, and I can't get it much closer. Seems like an 
> XT would have enough throw to be up to the task, but I've tried getting the 
> cable tension as high as possible by pulling hard on the cable down at the 
> anchor bolt and tightening the barrel adjustors at the shifters. No luck. 
> Any troubleshooting steps I might try?
>

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[RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks, Ian! I can't navigate the site for the blowing snowflakes across 
the screen, but I listened to the sound file of the bells for a few seconds 
(generally the most I can listen to audio files), and it's the big version 
of the resonance I anticipate I may end up hearing. I've two bells on 
order, and heaven knows I've run my own bell more than enough times, but I 
may be ringing it even more yet! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, December 29, 2016 at 10:48:43 PM UTC-7, Ian A wrote:
>
> I just keep reading the subject line as "Silent Bell Needed". So I did a 
> Google search in that vein and was directed to a page about "the sounds 
> of five Buddhist temple bells in Kyoto, Japan when they are not ringing"
>
> http://echosounddesign.com/media/HIgashi_Honganji.mp3
> https://bolesblogs.com/2011/06/01/what-is-the-sound-of-a-silent-bell/
>
> Not exactly on topic, but it somehow fits with the Deacon's wonderful 
> spirituality, so I thought I should share it.
>
> Ian A/Canada.
>
>
> On Wednesday, December 28, 2016 at 9:38:22 AM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Bells are designed to reverberate. They take the vibration of a ride, 
>> even when not intended to be rung, and “hum.” Anyone have suggestions for 
>> the most silent, stealth bell you’ve experienced, there when you need it, 
>> uterly silent when you don't? 
>>
>> With abandon, 
>> Patrick 
>>
>> www.OurHolyConception.org 
>> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[KenP]

A while back there was a discussion on using bear bells; jingle bells. Try 
a cowbell?  It constantly announces presence.  That seems to help with some 
of trail denizens..

On Tuesday, December 27, 2016 at 8:33:06 PM UTC-5, Tim wrote:
>
> Do you think it's ok, when riding on the path, if you can pass a 
> walker/runner/family, safely with 3 feet to spare, to go by without 
> warning? That means not saying "on your left" or something else, or not 
> ringing your bell if you have one. I ask because I was riding my Roadeo 
> today (50 degrees here in KC!) and it doesn't have a bell yet. A bell is my 
> much preferred method of warning that I'm there. But I find that many 
> people are startled by a bell just as much as "on your left." Or they have 
> earbuds in and don't here you. Also, my experience with "on your left" is 
> that 50% of the people who hear that, move to their left. I ALWAYS ride 
> with the knowledge that pedestrians have the right of way, NO MATTER WHAT. 
> I give a wide berth to others, really slow down when there's a family, and 
> try to smile and be friendly. But the more I think about it, it really 
> seems to me that a warning of any type only works with about half of the 
> people out there. On the other hand, I passed a woman one day without 
> warning her, she was on the far right and I was on the far left, at least 5 
> feet away, and she was pretty nasty about letting me know she didn't like 
> it. So sometimes it seems like you just can't win. What do you all think?

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Re: [RBW] Re: XT front derailleur with Sugino XD2 triple on a Hunqapillar?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 12/30/2016 10:49 AM, Jeremy Till wrote:
Not to be pedantic, but it's actually the opposite: bikes with long 
chainstays reduce the chain angle for a given lateral displacement 
between chainring and cog.  The extreme example of this is longtail 
cargo bikes with triple front chainrings, which can be run in pretty 
much any chainring/cog combination without coming close to rubbing on 
the fd.


Tandems set up with the drive crank on the front are another example.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Another Rosco v2 Build

[Surlyprof]

I agree with Patrick's suggestion, get a good one.  I bought a decent stand 
with REI rebates one year (LOTS of camping equipment bought that year!). 
 I've had the "Ultimate" repair stand for 20 years now and have never liked 
it but can't justify a new one.  Things I suggest watching for (that I have 
disliked) is the clearance and the clamping.  The clamp on mine has to be 
screwed down with a knob.  This is very difficult to do while you are 
holding 25-35# of bike in the other hand.  The clearances are also a 
problem.  Unless I have it held just right, the pedal hits the stand 
(damned tripod!).  Do the research and spring for the good one because even 
a bad one may last a lifetime.  Post mounted tool trays are helpful 
additions as well.

John

On Saturday, December 24, 2016 at 2:28:42 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Yes, the most important piece of wrenching kit after your allens, combo 
> wrenches, cassette/bb/headset tools, and your hammer, screwdrivers, and 
> pliers. ("After" because a stand is not much use if you haven't the tools 
> to use it with.)
>
> I chose an inexpensive Park "consumer" model (this about 1996-7) and I 
> would have been better off with a more sophisticated clamp. I have a decent 
> Feedback now, but my ideal, with a garage of my own to do what I like with, 
> would be one of the old, massively heavy VAR workstands, or something 
> similar rigged up at home, like Stevie's which has a base made from a 
> concrete filled tire. The heavier and less movable, the better. No damned 
> tripods; a 50 lb base, or something bolted to the floor. I may have to try 
> rigging up some sort of floor mount, or at least a heavy base, for mine.
>
> Point being: spend the money for a good one.
>
> Patrick Moore, who used to overhaul cup and cone bbs holding the bike up 
> with his forehead (and even, way back, using hammer and nail for the 
> adjustable cup and lockring)
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 24, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Tony DeFilippo  > wrote:
>
>> Treat yourselves to a stand... It revolutionized my wrenching enjoyment.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: girlfriend bike / crazy kickstand install

[Surlyprof]

The Esge works great on a Riv, too.  I picked up one of those cheap at the 
last Riv garage sale.  I don't love the modern look on my Hillborne but 
still use it.  They are fully adjustable and work really great with 
excellent clearance for wide tires (my double Pletscher was rubbing on 
Smart Sam knobbies).

John

On Thursday, December 29, 2016 at 5:55:40 AM UTC-8, MartyG wrote:
>
> Looks like it must be an Esge. Here's one from Niagara:
>>
>
>  
> http://www.niagaracycle.com/categories/pletscher-zoom-esge-adjustable-kickstand-silver
>
>
> 
>
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[RBW] Re: Clem / long CS CROW PIE!

[Richard Rios]

Hi masmojo,

I have read various opinions on the ride qualities would you share your 
impressions on how they differ. From what I put together I thought it would be 
good enough. I anticipate that the clem will ride a bit more husky than the 
appa but what impressed me was the smooth yet nimble feeling it had. I was / am 
hoping the clem will share most If not all of that. I'd love to hear more of 
your thoughts. Also who does clem / Clementine compair with atlantis. Any one 
else care to weigh in with their impressions that would be great as well. I 
really was hoping to test ride the clem but it was gone. One of the bummers 
about being a so cal Rob fan no "easy" way to test ride so you hope you are 
close.

Thanks
Richard 

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[RBW] Re: XT front derailleur with Sugino XD2 triple on a Hunqapillar?

[Jeremy Till]

Not to be pedantic, but it's actually the opposite: bikes with long 
chainstays reduce the chain angle for a given lateral displacement between 
chainring and cog.  The extreme example of this is longtail cargo bikes 
with triple front chainrings, which can be run in pretty much any 
chainring/cog combination without coming close to rubbing on the fd.  

On Friday, December 30, 2016 at 8:12:23 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>
> Joe, funny how both ways work, I've never had an issue running 8 speed 
> chains on 9 speed FD's, and you have, seems like a per bike basis.  The 
> extra long stays may have something to do with it too, a little more 
> lateral flex than the same bike with say, shorter stays.  Doesn't matter 
> though .. . . I have always found that every bike is unique anyways, even 
> parts that work for one bike may not work well on another. That said 
> though, I don't use any of the later Shimano Fd's , all mine are 
> specifically chosen for a straight as cage as possible, even the triple mtb 
> models I have which are 80-90's era. 
>
> Jack would do well with a new-new old stock 9 speed FD. 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, December 29, 2016 at 3:55:24 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Garth, you're right in general about double FDs on triple cranks, but I 
>> suspect there's something different about the new 10-speed Shimano MTB 
>> stuff.
>>
>> I disagree about chains. I've tried running 8-speed chains with 9-speed 
>> mechs, and the constant trimming to prevent chain rub - we shift a lot on 
>> the hills around here - got on my nerves. My Appaloosa has the reverse - 
>> 8-speed derailer, 9-speed chain - and its glorious. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Crankset snafu and front derailleur conundrum

[Ron Mc]

Agree, I'm running a Shimano 600EX FD on my cyclotouriste triple ranging 
26T to 46T -



- still my all-time favorite FD


On Friday, December 30, 2016 at 9:29:19 AM UTC-6, GAJett wrote:
>
> My AHH runs a 24-41-44 chainset with an old SunTour Cyclone fd.  Shifting 
> is perfectly adequate in upshifts over the 17 tooth change.  
>
> My older Raleigh Competion sports a 26-49-52 chainset with a ancient 
> Heuret Jubilee fd, perhaps the lightest and most delicate of front ders.  
> With gentle shifting there is no problem over the 23-tooth change. 
>
> Note that both fd's are "racing" designs for double chainsets, not touring 
> triple designs, as necessitated by the half-step + granny setup.  The major 
> limitation is that I cannot use the smaller third of the rear cogs as the 
> chain then rides on the bottom "tail" of the fd.  This is really not a 
> problem, however, as these should not be used anyway due to cross-chaining 
> and those being duplicates of gears available on the two larger chainrings.
>
> As many others have commented, you should have no problem with a double.  
> If you go to a triple, however, a more racing style fd may be needed so the 
> inner cage plate doesn't interfere with the middle ring as you try to shift 
> to the outer ring.
>
> Cheers.
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[RBW] Re: Crankset snafu and front derailleur conundrum

[GAJett]

My AHH runs a 24-41-44 chainset with an old SunTour Cyclone fd.  Shifting 
is perfectly adequate in upshifts over the 17 tooth change.  

My older Raleigh Competion sports a 26-49-52 chainset with a ancient Heuret 
Jubilee fd, perhaps the lightest and most delicate of front ders.  With 
gentle shifting there is no problem over the 23-tooth change. 

Note that both fd's are "racing" designs for double chainsets, not touring 
triple designs, as necessitated by the half-step + granny setup.  The major 
limitation is that I cannot use the smaller third of the rear cogs as the 
chain then rides on the bottom "tail" of the fd.  This is really not a 
problem, however, as these should not be used anyway due to cross-chaining 
and those being duplicates of gears available on the two larger chainrings.

As many others have commented, you should have no problem with a double.  
If you go to a triple, however, a more racing style fd may be needed so the 
inner cage plate doesn't interfere with the middle ring as you try to shift 
to the outer ring.

Cheers.

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[RBW] Musa Mitts

[BenG]

I just bought a pair from an ebayer about a week before Christmas. Looking 
forward to trying out on our local New Years chili challenge.

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[RBW] Re: Clem / long CS CROW PIE!

[masmojo]

Because I own a a Clem(entine) & Atlantis (& I have ridden a Appa. On several 
occasions) i worry that you may have made a mistake (but, maybe not?) Buying a 
Clem based on the ride of an Appa. because they are quite different bikes and 
ride nothing alike. I like both my Clementine and my Atlantis, but they are far 
from interchangable.

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[RBW] Re: Front Low-rider Panniers on Rambouillet?

[C.J. Filip]

Have had good luck running a Jandd low rider on my Saluki on long weekend 
tours.  The weight is handled just fine.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed/Using a bell

[masmojo]

I rode mostly around town, it's rarely quiet enough that I would notice any 
bell "humming" even out on a deserted trail, between the derailleur click and 
tire contact noise bell vibration would not be a distraction at all as long as 
you were using a bell with a trigger. I like the Crane bells with the spring 
for around town, aside from a very loud, clear sound they also tell me when my 
tires are over inflated! Too much air & the bell rings by itself over any 
little bump! 

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Re: [RBW] Crankset snafu and front derailleur conundrum

[Scott Henry]

Just about any FD will handle that.
Build it and ride it.


On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 8:53 AM, Dan McNamara  wrote:

> I am running the SunXCD crankset with TA chainrings 46/28 using the IRD
> Alpina-D front derailleur. It shifts perfectly.
>
> The CX-70 would work as well.
>
> Dan
>
> San Rafael, CA
>
> > On Dec 29, 2016, at 9:35 PM, Zach Duval  wrote:
> >
> > I ordered a SUNXCD double crankset through a European dealer for a new
> build, and unfortunately they included a 28 tooth chainring in place of the
> 30 I ordered. The large chainring is a 46, so this now leaves me with an 18
> tooth gap rather than 16.
> >
> > Are there any attractive front derailleurs that can handle that range?
> >
> > I'm hoping to run the Riv Bullmoose bars with Microshift (I believe) bar
> ends on thumbies.
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Re: [RBW] Crankset snafu and front derailleur conundrum

[Ron Mc]

the reason, again I brought up the CX70 - they're on sale for $30 
everywhere, and the cage is shaped for max chainring size of 48T.  It's a 
really good FD for a compact double.  


I've run mine for !0,000 mi on a 42/25 step.  

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Re: [RBW] Crankset snafu and front derailleur conundrum

[Dan McNamara]

I am running the SunXCD crankset with TA chainrings 46/28 using the IRD 
Alpina-D front derailleur. It shifts perfectly. 

The CX-70 would work as well. 

Dan

San Rafael, CA

> On Dec 29, 2016, at 9:35 PM, Zach Duval  wrote:
> 
> I ordered a SUNXCD double crankset through a European dealer for a new build, 
> and unfortunately they included a 28 tooth chainring in place of the 30 I 
> ordered. The large chainring is a 46, so this now leaves me with an 18 tooth 
> gap rather than 16. 
> 
> Are there any attractive front derailleurs that can handle that range? 
> 
> I'm hoping to run the Riv Bullmoose bars with Microshift (I believe) bar ends 
> on thumbies.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed/Using a bell

[Ron Mc]

I can vouch for Tim, I hear the voices in his head, too.  

On Thursday, December 29, 2016 at 10:07:44 PM UTC-6, Tim wrote:
>
> On the other hand, the voices in my head may be drowning out the hum of 
> the bell :-)

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[RBW] Re: Crankset snafu and front derailleur conundrum

[Ron Mc]

I think Ultegra CX70 will handle that just fine, regardless of what's on 
paper.  

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[RBW] Re: XT front derailleur with Sugino XD2 triple on a Hunqapillar?

[Garth]

Joe, funny how both ways work, I've never had an issue running 8 speed 
chains on 9 speed FD's, and you have, seems like a per bike basis.  The 
extra long stays may have something to do with it too, a little more 
lateral flex than the same bike with say, shorter stays.  Doesn't matter 
though .. . . I have always found that every bike is unique anyways, even 
parts that work for one bike may not work well on another. That said 
though, I don't use any of the later Shimano Fd's , all mine are 
specifically chosen for a straight as cage as possible, even the triple mtb 
models I have which are 80-90's era. 

Jack would do well with a new-new old stock 9 speed FD. 



On Thursday, December 29, 2016 at 3:55:24 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Garth, you're right in general about double FDs on triple cranks, but I 
> suspect there's something different about the new 10-speed Shimano MTB 
> stuff.
>
> I disagree about chains. I've tried running 8-speed chains with 9-speed 
> mechs, and the constant trimming to prevent chain rub - we shift a lot on 
> the hills around here - got on my nerves. My Appaloosa has the reverse - 
> 8-speed derailer, 9-speed chain - and its glorious. 
>

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[RBW] Crankset snafu and front derailleur conundrum

[Philip Kim]

I've used a Sora triple on a similar set up

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[RBW] Re: Silent bell until needed

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That was really cool, Ian, thanks for sharing. Patrick, of all the listers I 
can think of, you should put one of those on the Mammoth. But you may need 
Grant to design a special rack :-)

Quote from Ian's link:
“…when a bell rings it is only the sound of the bell listening to the sound of 
the bell. Or to put it another way it is the sound of yourself ringing. This is 
the moment of enlightenment.”

(The Three Pillars of Zen by Phillip Kapleau) aka- Garth

Peace,
Tim "now you're just being silly" Kirch

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