[RBW] FS - Compass Bon Jon Pass Tires

[Neda Jasmin]

Selling a pair of compass Bon Jon pass tires 700x35 standard casing. Less than 
100 mi, no wear on the tread. $75. I paid 115 new. 

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[RBW] Re: Stovetop Espresso (moka pot) tips please

[Andreas]

Here are my steps:

Roast green beans, cool immediately after roasting (Just deposit them 
outside in NNE)
Aerate for 6 hours
airtight container overnight
Grind as recommended here - on a Baratza Virtuosa I use setting 20 
(espresso is 14, french press is 32 for me)
Use cold water, we have a spring in the yard - so I use water from there
Fill funnel, do not compress coffee
Put stove on L/M so steam will saturate, water or coffee should not boil

I only rinse it with water for cleaning
Works for me, ymmv

Just like it takes over 250,000 miles to become a reasonable cyclist, it 
takes 1,000 tries with a Bialetti to make a good coffee. :-)

Andreas

On Monday, December 26, 2016 at 9:30:59 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I have a Bialetti Kitty 4 cup I am not smart enough to make good coffee 
> with. It seems very persnickety — which isn’t a good thing because I am 
> persnickety. Sardonic grin. 
>
> Tips? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick 
>
> www.OurHolyConception.org 
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org 
>
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[RBW] FS: Nitto, Fairweather, White Ind, VO, more...

[Patch T]

Hi all! I recently put a deposit down with Bob on a Bantam! And am needing 
to make space and a couple bucks for a few more parts for the build.

Happy to send you more detailed photos.

Shipping costs not included. CONUS and USPS. Thanks for looking


PHOTOS 


*HBARS*

1) Nitto Noodle 41cm, 26.0, barely used. *$35*

2) Nitto // Fairweather Mod 174 
, 
44cm, 25.4, silver, used some *$40*

3) Nitto Mustache 25.4, used some *$35*

4) Nitto Grand Randonneur B135 
, 45cm, 
25.4, used  *$35*

5) VO Porteur handelbars, 25.4, 23.8 brake clamp; well-used *$20*

6) On-One Mary, 25.4, used *$15*

7) NL random swept-back bar, 25.4, barely used *$10*

*STEMZ*

8) Nitto HiRiser, 25.4, mounted, not ridden, too Hi for me *$45*

9) Nitto Technomic 5cm, 26.0, used *$20*

*COMPONENTS*

10) Shimano Deore XT M736 front derailleur, top-pull version of the M735, 
used *$20*

11) Tektro bar-end levers, RX 4.1, silver, used, both *$15*

12) Dia Compe / VO Guidonnet levers, used *$15*

13) White Industries eno 17t freewheel, used *$60*

*RACK*

14) VO Porteur rack with rail, used, uncut, *no hardware but strut IS 
included **$80*



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[RBW] Quickbeam S24O in the Santa Cruz Mountains

[Patch T]

Thought I'd share a few photos , and some 
videos, of camping out in the Santa Cruz (CA) Mountains on a Quickbeam a 
few weeks ago.

The route was originally to incorporate more dirt than it did in the end; 
but there had just passed some rain and I didn't feel great about my rig on 
non-maintained and technically private dirt (mud) roads. Which is fine. 
Still a blast. About 55mi total and about 6500 ft of climbing. Sugino 40/32 
and a WI 16/18 (which I need to switch out for a 16/19 because in the 32/18 
the axle nuts just hang off the end of the drop-out, and while I've 
experience nigh-zero slippage, it still doesn't sit well with me), most of 
the ride was in the 32/18.

I drove up from LA to SC, stocked up, and started up HWY 1 at the bottom of 
Gazos Creek Road and took it up to Big Basin, with a few meandering trails 
in-between. Much of Gazos is gravel and dirt, and steep, and wet and muddy 
and a whole lot of frustration and fun. Hiked a little, biked a little, 
drank a little wine. The Redwood canopy kept everything damp and wet all 
the way up the hill. Once out of the river valley slog, trees spread out 
slightly and things warmed up for a little until I dove back into wet and 
dark. The road is beautiful. There's a boy scout treehouse along the way. 

I was virtually alone at Jay Camp, and got the best hike-bike sight under a 
cluster of redwoods. Did a night hike to the waterfall (small) nearby, 
warmed up on mezcal and two layers of wool leggings, two wool socks, three 
thin wool baselayers, a down vest and a synthetic down pullover, neck 
garter and gloves, all wrapped up in a 20 deg (supposedly) bag with a 
ThermaRest inside. Much frost in the morning but I was snug all night. I've 
been in LA the past year and have already gotten soft!

I love S24Os because it's not totally ridiculous to pack a burrito, which I 
lunched on the next day after climbing up the 236 to the 9 and across 
Skyline Boulevard to Horseshoe Lake, quaint, perfect, in the Skyline Open 
Space. The 236 is a really perfect winding climb and descent through the 
forests, along a ridge and back down. This time of year there was little 
traffic, and the views were epic. 9 and Skyline were a little less 
enjoyable; not a whole lot of shoulder and frequent fast-travelling cars. 
Still hard to complain though, really. 

The winding descent down Alpine is a beautiful pastoral, through rolling 
grass hills past cattle, down into forest and back up out and down again 
through Loma Mar to Pescadero.

Decided to stay an extra night in Butano State Park (closed for the season, 
technically) before a mile or so back to the ice-encrusted car the next 
morning for a sunrise drive up HWY 1 to San Francisco and Oakland to for a 
holiday visit with friends, shiverin and grinnin and stinkin like all hell.

Love,
Patch

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[RBW] NITTO NP Stem question 25.4

[Joe Bernard]

I did some Googling and found a bunch of Nitto Keirin bars that advise matching 
with a Pearl NJS stem. I presume that whole series is 25.4.

I just mounted my new-to-me Pearl NJS with steel Albas. I don't know much about 
NJS standards, but it sure is pretty. 

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[RBW] Re: Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

[lum gim fong]

*Legs:*
For casual looking stuff I use MUSA long pants and merino wool medium 
weight baselayers. I always size up a size or two in merino wool as it will 
shrink sometimes if 100% merino, even from just washing in cold water.

*Torso/Arms:*
Merino layers of varying weights, with a J waterproof, breathable rain 
jacket over top as a wind break. Great in the rain, too. vent along the 
back, and huge pit zips. Two way zipper in front.

*Head:*
Bike helmet (great for wind blocking!) and merino balaklavas or merino 
cycling hats.

*Hands:*
Any winter glove should do as long as it can block out the wind and water.

*Feet:*
Wool ski socks with Nike sneakers. Shoe covers if too cold as a wind break.

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Finally Arrived

[Ash A]

That's a nice color combination indeed!

Curious what handlebar is this..



On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 18:50:48 UTC-8, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>
> To say I was excited to hear the FedEx delivery truck would be an 
> understatement. After unboxing and assembling the bike I attached the 
> Garmin Edge and the bike speed/cadence sensors and took it out for a spin. 
> My average speed was higher than my past two rides on my road bike so I was 
> pleased that I wouldn't be seeing a drop in performance. This is my first 
> leather saddle so I spend some time adjusting it and expect I will continue 
> to do so until I've got it dialed in. 
>
> Looking forward to training for my first Century ride with this bike.
>
> Dan 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache + brifters

['clayton bailey' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Ashwath,
No extender...just a long quill. This is a newish one I ordered through Ben's 
Cycle; a 100mm Nitto Dirt Drop Stem. The quill is longer than my old dirt drop 
stem (bought it in 98 or so), but not by much.  
Clayton (Bend)
 

On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 2:19 PM, Ashwath Akirekadu  
wrote:
 

 Clayton- This type of cockpit is something I'd want to try at some point.  
What stem is that?  My Nitto Dirt Drop does not seem that tall.  Are you using 
an extender?


On Thursday, 29 December 2016 09:38:07 UTC-8, Clayton wrote:
My Dirt Drop stem brings the bottom of the drops up to where I ride. I ride 
mostly on the drops. It is about the height of most drop tops, about seat 
height. I never understood why someone (except racers) would run drop bars so 
low, that the drops are basically unusable (disclaimer; I have had three back 
surgeries). The bar tops are way up there and give my back a break when needed. 
Clayton (Bend)
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[RBW] Casual warm clothing for casual bike rides

[Ash A]

This's my first season riding around in winter. When it gets down to 40, I 
feel like my jeans and shoes aren't sufficient for a comfortable ride 
(typically an hour or so).  

I do not like to wear biking cloths that I see in bike shops.  May be they 
are ok if I'm heading straight back home after the ride.  They don't feel 
are suitable for riding to a restaurant for dinner.  

Looking for recommendations for pants (most important), shoes and 
shirts/jackets that look like casual wear, but provide sufficient wind/cold 
protection while riding.   Thank you!

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Finally Arrived

[lum gim fong]

Ps- I go about 2.5 degrees nose down on my Flyers. I think they might level a 
bit when you sit on them.

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Finally Arrived

[lum gim fong]

I did my first few centuries on a Sam. Slammed Noodle drops. Sprung flyer 
saddle. Total comfort the whole time.

Congrats and please post updates about the century!

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[RBW] NITTO NP Stem question 25.4

[lum gim fong]

I think it is only the 25.4's that have it but I don't know why.

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[RBW] NITTO NP Stem question 25.4

[Joe Bernard]

NP is Nitto Pearl, correct? I just bought one of those, and it does have NJS 
stamped in it. I don't know the details - I know nada about track bikes - but 
NJS is some kinda standard for Keirin racing in Japan. It's probably useless as 
a marker of quality/strength for street riding, but it seems to be a bit of a 
thing with the fixie crowd.  

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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[cyclotourist]

You better make this one!!!

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 8:17 PM, 'Mike Schiller' via SoCal All Rounders
(SCAR)  wrote:

> paid for 100k event... looking forward to it.
>
> mike
>
> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 11:02:04 PM UTC-7, cyclotourist wrote:
>
>> Calendared it for March 18th!
>>
>> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2017.html
>>
>> Hope to see some familiar faces this spring!
>>
>>
>> --
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>> David
>>
>> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
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[RBW] NITTO NP Stem question 25.4

[lum gim fong]

Are all the 25.4 versions stamped with "NJS"?

Is there an NP version without it?

What does NJS mean?

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[RBW] FS: Noodle cockpit

[Joe Bernard]

Bumpity, I don't think these bars are going back on a bike. $150 shipped, I'd 
like to move them on in the box I just pulled an Alba cockpit from. 

Text Joe Bernard 415-786-4623

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Finally Arrived

[Ian A]

Very nice indeed - I like the handlebar arrangement a great deal.  In terms 
of the Brooks saddle, I find if it points slightly up at the nose until the 
buttock-divots form, then almost completely level it, that works really 
well (this is a process of quite a few hours riding time).  I also like the 
saddle to be tension-ed quite firmly, but not excessively so. When all 
factors are right, the saddle is as comfortable as a well-liked broken-in 
pair of hiking boots.

Ian A/Canada



On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 7:50:48 PM UTC-7, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>
> To say I was excited to hear the FedEx delivery truck would be an 
> understatement. After unboxing and assembling the bike I attached the 
> Garmin Edge and the bike speed/cadence sensors and took it out for a spin. 
> My average speed was higher than my past two rides on my road bike so I was 
> pleased that I wouldn't be seeing a drop in performance. This is my first 
> leather saddle so I spend some time adjusting it and expect I will continue 
> to do so until I've got it dialed in. 
>
> Looking forward to training for my first Century ride with this bike.
>
> Dan 
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Finally Arrived

[Bruce Smitham]

Congrats on the new bike. I've had a few Sam Hillbornes and kept them light 
enough to do a number of 70 plus mile rides. Very comfortable and this set 
up looks great.

Enjoy,

Brice in San Diego

On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 6:50:48 PM UTC-8, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>
> To say I was excited to hear the FedEx delivery truck would be an 
> understatement. After unboxing and assembling the bike I attached the 
> Garmin Edge and the bike speed/cadence sensors and took it out for a spin. 
> My average speed was higher than my past two rides on my road bike so I was 
> pleased that I wouldn't be seeing a drop in performance. This is my first 
> leather saddle so I spend some time adjusting it and expect I will continue 
> to do so until I've got it dialed in. 
>
> Looking forward to training for my first Century ride with this bike.
>
> Dan 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 46-30 crank on an unloaded road bike

[Deacon Patrick]

Ah. Thanks, Steve. I'm too much of a Fred to be a Fred on Zwift. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 4:31:44 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 01/03/2017 06:15 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote: 
> > I've no idea what Zwift is. 
>
> http://zwift.com/ 
>
> some kind of trainer-cycling with an online component that one article 
> spoke of as "gamification" 
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Garth]

Very well Steve , I am glad you settled that for yourself !  ☺

Funny, it is just like that on the bike trail isn't it ?   We make our 
assesments of what people may mean  by what we see , but there is always a 
whole lot more to the story than meets the eye, or I of the story.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: 46-30 crank on an unloaded road bike

[Steve Palincsar]

On 01/03/2017 06:15 PM, Deacon Patrick wrote:

I've no idea what Zwift is.


http://zwift.com/

some kind of trainer-cycling with an online component that one article 
spoke of as "gamification"






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Re: [RBW] Re: New (to-me) Roadeo!

[reynoldslugs]

Paul, you'll enjoy the Roadeo.  It's just a lovely bike, light and 
comfortable as can be. 

 I have a 61 in that same grey/burgundy color scheme, and it's one of my 
favorite bikes - I drag it all over the place:

here in Sonoma County:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157625377490164

climbing up Mt. Lemmon to enjoy the snow:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157641926758965

Kitt Peak:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157651100198232

Rock Pile Road

https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/albums/72157625591313441

enjoy the ride!

Max Beach
Santa Rosa CA

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[RBW] Re: 46-30 crank on an unloaded road bike

[Deacon Patrick]

I've no idea what Zwift is. But riding single speed helped me greatly 
expand my range per gear (duh). It increased my power and technique with 
low RPM high torque pedaling (climbing) and it increased my spinning 
ability on descents. Perhaps ride at least a ride a week in poser single 
speed mode? Pick a gear and don't shift the entire ride? (or Poser 
QuickBeam mode, pick two gears and swap between them?)

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, January 1, 2017 at 7:27:35 AM UTC-7, Call Me Jay wrote:
>
> Should I just toughen up and join Zwift?
>

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[RBW] Re: 46-30 crank on an unloaded road bike

[John Hawrylak]

Belopsky

A 36 front 11 rear gives 87GI for a 700Cx28.  You may want a higher top 
gear.  However, the front shifting would be good, only a 10T difference, 
like 52 to 42.

The Sugino XD2 Wide/Low 40T-26T double RBW offers (
https://www.rivbike.com/collections/cranks-bbs/products/sugino-xd2-wide-low-double-crank-40t-x-26t)
 
gives your 11-28 a range of 96GI to 25GI (700Cx28) with the 2 chainrings at 
the max recommended 16T difference for decent front shifting.   This is 
quite a wide range.  

The RBW Sugino Wide/Low uses a Chain Guard in place of the outer ring.  The 
40T is the middle and the 26T is the 74mmBCD ring.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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Re: [RBW] Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Eric Norris]

I’m reminded of the story of the mathematician sitting at a coffee shop with a 
friend. Trying to show his friend the power of his intellect, he set out to 
prove that his friend could never leave the coffee shop. 

What he explained was that before his friend could walk the distance from their 
table to the exit, he would first have to walk half the distance. Before he 
walked that far, he would have to walk half that far, and before he walked 
*that* far he would have to walk half *that* distance.

“And so, you see, you can never leave, because there will always be a smaller 
and smaller distance you have to walk first!” said the mathematician, smiling 
smugly.

With that, his friend got up and walked out.

You can think about anything forever … or you can just go out and do it. I 
prefer the latter.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
www.campyonly.com
campyonlyguy.blogspot.com

> On Jan 3, 2017, at 2:29 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 01/03/2017 10:05 AM, Garth wrote:
>>  Everyone is a Fred to somebody !  Ahahaha so much for definitions as 
>> being anything definite, since everything is up for interpretation, everyone 
>> walking around trying to figure out the meaning of things  . . .  Eventually 
>> it just makes no sense, since every definition depends on another 
>> definition, a comparing of relativities, but in relation to what source , 
>> what Absolute ? Whats being compared ?   . . .. and in the silence you hear 
>> a laughter like never before
> 
> So, you're basically saying words are meaningless.  I can see why you might 
> think so...
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Re: [RBW] Re: New (to-me) Roadeo!

[John G.]

Amended. Mike wrote a candid and helpful reply. Anyway, keep that Roadeo sleek 
and hold on to your Homer!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Steve Palincsar]

On 01/03/2017 10:05 AM, Garth wrote:
  Everyone is a Fred to somebody !  Ahahaha so much for 
definitions as being anything definite, since everything is up for 
interpretation, everyone walking around trying to figure out the 
meaning of things  . . .  Eventually it just makes no sense, since 
every definition depends on another definition, a comparing of 
relativities, but in relation to what source , what Absolute ? Whats 
being compared ?   . . .. and in the silence you hear a laughter like 
never before


So, you're basically saying words are meaningless.  I can see why you 
might think so...



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[RBW] Re: Albastache + brifters

[Ashwath Akirekadu]

Clayton- This type of cockpit is something I'd want to try at some point. 
 What stem is that?  My Nitto Dirt Drop does not seem that tall.  Are you 
using an extender?



On Thursday, 29 December 2016 09:38:07 UTC-8, Clayton wrote:
>
>
> My
>  
> Dirt Drop stem brings the bottom of the drops up to where I ride. I ride 
> mostly on the drops. It is about the height of most drop tops, about seat 
> height. I never understood why someone (except racers) would run drop bars 
> so low, that the drops are basically unusable (disclaimer; I have had three 
> back surgeries). The bar tops are way up there and give my back a break 
> when needed. 
>
>
> Clayton (Bend)
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Re: [RBW] Albastache + brifters

[Ashwath Akirekadu]

Patrick,

I'll play with saddle position as well (as I said, I'm experimenting). 
 Thanks for the idea.  Although my issue is less with arms and more with 
the neck.  Using typical drop bar position feels similar (to my neck) to 
watching a TV mounted 25 ft above the floor during the entire ride.  

Also thanks for bringing up safety part.  It might be a significant factor 
for some riders out there who are thinking using stem extender.  For my use 
though it does not *feel* like there is a safety issue.  The upright 
position significantly reduces the amount of weight that goes on the 
handlebar. Also, my rides are mostly on flat roads.  I never exceed 15mph. 
   With the stem and the extender both tucked all the way down, the setup 
is probably sturdy enough.  (which won't be the case I were to be climbing 
hills or riding fast downhill).

A better suitable bike frame is on the way, btw.  I've ordered an Appaloosa 
frame.  Nitto Dirt Drop stem + ChocoNORM bar combination works great for me 
on that (based on the test ride).   I acquired a Raleigh Record Ace from a 
friend, which I'm planning on using for occasional fast rides.

Chees,

-Ash

On Wednesday, 28 December 2016 07:14:03 UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I'm glad the bar is comfortable, but it's too high: first, is it safe? I 
> ask that question very seriously. With the extender and then the long quill 
> toward the end of its travel, you are going to torque those joints far more 
> than usual, and perhaps to the point of some sort of failure.
>
> Second, if you want a bar that high, you really need a very different 
> frame, one with a much higher head tube. When you go to such an extreme 
> measure as on your Bianchi, you know right away that you are trying to make 
> a silk purse out of something else.
>
> And third, there are other ways of getting torso/neck/arm/hand comfort 
> than merely by raising the bar to an extreme height. It goes against the 
> imagination, but often (I don't say always), putting your saddle further 
> back, so that your core takes over the work of holding up your shoulders 
> and head, is the first step in setting up a bicycle comfortably. You'll 
> notice that bikes designed for very high bars, like the Dutch city bike, 
> also have very, very slack seat tube angles, and I don't think that this is 
> merely coincidence.
>
> All of this is entirely removed from any question of a "racing" position. 
> (Note too that the drop bar design is among the oldest around because it 
> has been proved one of the most comfortable when properly set up.)
>
> I chose the 2 images below at random and only afterward noticed that both 
> show Velo Orange bikes.
>
> I don't mean merely to be critical. You will do yourself a real favor by 
> finding either a more effective way to get comfort, or else, a very 
> different design that does safely allow such an extreme bar position.
>
> [image: Inline image 1]
>
> [image: Inline image 2]
>
> On Tue, Dec 27, 2016 at 9:35 PM, Ashwath Akirekadu  > wrote:
>
>> When I wondered about usability of brifters on Albastache/Mustache 
>> type bars sometime ago, I couldn't find much info on interwebs. 
>>
>> I decided to get an Albastache anyway and give it a try.  Turns out it 
>> works ok with Campy brifters.  Shimano/SRAM brifters aren't likely as 
>> suitable since  they don't have the thumb button. 
>>
>> I was happy to trade slightly reduced brifter usability for increased 
>> usable handlebar positions that Albastache offers (in 3 years of riding 
>> this road bike, I had never  felt the need to use the lower part of drop 
>> bars. I did, however,  frequently looked for ways to be upright).  Folks 
>> optimizing for speed may feel differently.   
>>
>> Next experiment was handlebar height.  
>>
>> I've never felt uncomfortable to grab a spoon or use fingers, if I 
>> thought those options were more optimal when everyone else was using 
>> chopsticks or forks.  Proliferation of skinny fashion didn't make me change 
>> my jeans.  And so on.  I rank usability/practicality way higher than 
>> coolness.   Still, when it came to bike, somehow, I wasn't at ease raising 
>> handlebar above saddle level, regardless of how stupid (and 
>> pain-in-the-neck-inducing) the default setup felt.  Last weekend I raised 
>> the bar like no one was watching.  Picture attached.  It does look 
>> more comical than giraffe and lama, IMO.  After several short and couples 
>> of long rides, I'm concluding that this is how it is going to be now on.  
>> Don't care if other bikers in the neighborhood cringe.  My neck is 
>> already thanking me. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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[RBW] WTB Mark's Rack or other small rack solution to fit Joe Appaloosa

[Kai Vierstra]

There's been talk of rear racks playing nice with the top of the fork mounts on 
a Appaloosa fork. The larger footprint of a light/inexpensive rear rack would 
be nice for basket mounting. And as you probably wouldn't want to load too much 
up high in the front, so you wouldn't need anything expedition ready (unless 
you used on of those beautiful integrated nitto racks with the removable low 
riders, but those are $$$, but you'd be expedition ready)
-Kai Vierstra 
Brooklyn NY 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Garth]

 Yeah  it's just some guy's blog ,his opinions and such, who by his own 
profile page :

*While I love cycling and embrace it in all its forms, I'm also extremely 
> critical. So I present to you my venting for your amusement and betterment. 
> No offense meant to the critiqued. Always keep riding!*



   I too see the humor of it all , it's just one person's opinions. He his 
who he is  whoever he is !!!  

Words are fluid, and all you gotta do is look around and word meanings are 
far from "standardized" and universal, even yes and no. 

 
On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 2:16:58 PM UTC-5, Bob K. wrote:
>
> Steve commented:
>
>> Well, there's a difference between the evolution of word meanings as show 
>> in that article and what we have here.  This was not gradual evolution, it 
>> was a charismatic writer who simply used it wrong, exactly opposite to the 
>> accepted meaning, and all his acolytes simply went along.
>>
> But the same thing happened with the words on the TED list, right? 
> Someone, at some moment in the past, used a word incorrectly. Their 
> incorrect use of the word influenced someone else (an "acolyte") to do the 
> same, and so on and so forth, n*ice* no longer means *silly*. It means 
> pleasant or agreeable. In other words, what we now see as an evolution of 
> the meaning of the word *nice *was really just a choice made by one 
> person that ended up catching on, just like BSNYC's use of the word Fred, 
> and I don't think it makes a difference if it takes ten years or 100 for 
> the new meaning to catch on.
>
> On a related note, I think BSNYC is hilarious.
>
> Bob K. in Baltimore
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Re: [RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I only started cycling for recreation and fitness n 2001, at the age of 40 so 
maybe it is understandable that I only know the term Fred through BSNYC, whom I 
find to be quite funny. He is, to be sure, merciless on amateur riders who buy 
wheelsets that cost more than a new Roadeo frame. To be fair, though, he is 
merciless on himself as well. And he's buddies with Grant, which is a plus in 
my book. Before discovering Riv I was well on my way to becoming a carbon fiber 
riding weight weenie, although I still wear (on rides longer than 2-3 hours) 
lycra. It does work well for that.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bob K.]

Looks great, Bill! This reminds me that I have a similar (albeit physically 
opposite) "problem" with my Krampus horizontal dropouts. I bought some 
Wolftooth link thingamajig to pair with spacers to allow for more mud 
clearance, and I've yet to install it. Putting it on the list. Thanks for the 
inspiration.

Bob K. in Baltimore

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Re: [RBW] Re: New (to-me) Roadeo!

[John G.]

Yep, no luck via phone or email. I'm assuming it's because of the holidays.

On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 10:44:25 AM UTC-5, lum gim fong wrote:
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> John having a hard time getting getting in touch with Boulder.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Robert Keal]

Steve commented:

> Well, there's a difference between the evolution of word meanings as show
> in that article and what we have here.  This was not gradual evolution, it
> was a charismatic writer who simply used it wrong, exactly opposite to the
> accepted meaning, and all his acolytes simply went along.
>
But the same thing happened with the words on the TED list, right? Someone,
at some moment in the past, used a word incorrectly. Their incorrect use of
the word influenced someone else (an "acolyte") to do the same, and so on
and so forth, n*ice* no longer means *silly*. It means pleasant or
agreeable. In other words, what we now see as an evolution of the meaning
of the word *nice *was really just a choice made by one person that ended
up catching on, just like BSNYC's use of the word Fred, and I don't think
it makes a difference if it takes ten years or 100 for the new meaning to
catch on.

On a related note, I think BSNYC is hilarious.

Bob K. in Baltimore

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Re: [RBW] Re: New bike day! R05C0 8U883

[Bill Lindsay]

At the beginning of this thread I showed my new Rosco Bubbe road bike.  I 
pointed out that one thing that I consider sub-optimal about it is the 
horizontal dropouts, and the lame fender lines forced by horizontal 
dropouts.  People pointed out that there are plugs that force the wheel 
forward in the horizontal dropouts and that you can use a chainring bolt as 
a 'free' substitute for those aftermarket plugs.  

I've implemented that chainring bolt modification.  I found a couple of 
alloy chainring bolts from my weight weenie days, and installed those.  Now 
my wheel is solidly registered against my chainring bolt plugs and sitting 
at the front of the horizontal dropouts.  That 'fixes' the gap at the front 
of the fender.  I trimmed the stays to correct the new gap at the rear, and 
now I have nice fender line.  

Here is a link to the BEFORE 
 shot of the big 
gap because the wheel was back in the dropout



Here's a close-up of the dropout now plugged with a chainring bolt. 
 There's on on the other side as well




..and here's the now-better fenderline as a result.


thanks for the tip!


Bill Lindsay

El Cerrito, CA




On Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 4:08:38 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I really like that chainring bolt hack.  That's excellent.  I have a small 
> collection of alloy chainring bolts from a weight weenie project.  I never 
> use them because they are stupidly fragile, but they weigh nothing, so I 
> keep them.  Those will do nicely in this application.  Awesome!
>
> Bill
>
>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Steve Palincsar]

Well, there's a difference between the evolution of word meanings as 
show in that article and what we have here.  This was not gradual 
evolution, it was a charismatic writer who simply used it wrong, exactly 
opposite to the accepted meaning, and all his acolytes simply went 
along.  A bit like a plumber deciding this




belonged on the right side...

I find BSNYC contemptible.


On 01/03/2017 01:37 PM, Bob K. wrote:

So it goes, or so it seems.

http://ideas.ted.com/20-words-that-once-meant-something-very-different/




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Re: [RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Bob K.]

So it goes, or so it seems.

http://ideas.ted.com/20-words-that-once-meant-something-very-different/

Bob K. in Baltimore

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Re: [RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Steve Palincsar]

It's amazing: he uses it wrong and everyone follows along...


On 01/03/2017 01:10 PM, Bob K. wrote:

I first heard the term "Fred" as applied to roadies from BikeSnobNYC. He may've 
been partly responsible for the change in meaning.




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Re: [RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Bob K.]

I first heard the term "Fred" as applied to roadies from BikeSnobNYC. He may've 
been partly responsible for the change in meaning.

Bob K. in Baltimore

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[RBW] Re: New (to-me) Roadeo!

[Ryan Fleming]

Nice Roadeo

Surely you're not ditching the Sam? But sounds like you may be...

I get that you are using the Roadeo as a brevet bikeso fenders, 
lighting and luggage carrying ability is important...I'd still keep Sam for 
commuting though, then you would have the best of both worlds

On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 8:50:55 PM UTC-6, Paul Y wrote:
>
> I just bought this 59cm Roadeo from Tim on the board. 
>
> After six years of living on the Sam and finding no other bike able to 
> replace its position in the stable, moving to the Roadeo feels like a leap 
> of faith. I had initially considered a Lyon (was not entertaining 
> international orders) and then Boulder (Mike seemed a bit too busy to reply 
> emails). Then finally had the realization that I was much more Rivified 
> than I thought, having read this board everyday for years and having really 
> REALLY grown into my Sam.
>
> Hoping to do a SR on it the Roadeo this year and fingers crossed, PBP 
> 2019, but the plan is also for this to replace my Sam as the commuter.
>
> Pics from my shakedown ride:
> https://flic.kr/p/QN8vdm
> https://flic.kr/p/QFaCGn
>
> Tektro 539s
> Rich built 105/SON28 A23
> 8 speed Sora cassette 
> 32mm Compass Stampede Pass
> All other parts are from the hillborne and were standard Riv issue in 
> 2010, except my much-missed silver shifters which suffer the 
> stuck-cable-end syndrome :(
>
> The Roadeo feels incredibly different from the Sam (56cm double TT). More 
> spritely, less robust, certainly more squirrelly at speed but I'm still 
> sorting out my riding position at this stage. Gets up to speed much quicker 
> and more effortlessly. Already missing the rack mounts and ability to mount 
> a kickstand... but I wanted a faster bike and everything can be gotten used 
> to!
>
> I have a Bagman support and fender nuts on order after which a Nelson 
> longflap and 45mm sks chromoplastics will join the party and normalcy can 
> return!
>
> Thanks for sharing in my joy :)
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Hungry, Hungry Hunqapillar

[Deacon Patrick]

Don't worry. I carry lighter loads too. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 7:58:48 AM UTC-7, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> Whoah! That's about double the weight rated for that rack.  Be careful.

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[RBW] Re: New (to-me) Roadeo!

[Don Compton]

Welcome to the Roadeo club
Don Compton

On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 6:50:55 PM UTC-8, Paul Y wrote:
>
> I just bought this 59cm Roadeo from Tim on the board. 
>
> After six years of living on the Sam and finding no other bike able to 
> replace its position in the stable, moving to the Roadeo feels like a leap 
> of faith. I had initially considered a Lyon (was not entertaining 
> international orders) and then Boulder (Mike seemed a bit too busy to reply 
> emails). Then finally had the realization that I was much more Rivified 
> than I thought, having read this board everyday for years and having really 
> REALLY grown into my Sam.
>
> Hoping to do a SR on it the Roadeo this year and fingers crossed, PBP 
> 2019, but the plan is also for this to replace my Sam as the commuter.
>
> Pics from my shakedown ride:
> https://flic.kr/p/QN8vdm
> https://flic.kr/p/QFaCGn
>
> Tektro 539s
> Rich built 105/SON28 A23
> 8 speed Sora cassette 
> 32mm Compass Stampede Pass
> All other parts are from the hillborne and were standard Riv issue in 
> 2010, except my much-missed silver shifters which suffer the 
> stuck-cable-end syndrome :(
>
> The Roadeo feels incredibly different from the Sam (56cm double TT). More 
> spritely, less robust, certainly more squirrelly at speed but I'm still 
> sorting out my riding position at this stage. Gets up to speed much quicker 
> and more effortlessly. Already missing the rack mounts and ability to mount 
> a kickstand... but I wanted a faster bike and everything can be gotten used 
> to!
>
> I have a Bagman support and fender nuts on order after which a Nelson 
> longflap and 45mm sks chromoplastics will join the party and normalcy can 
> return!
>
> Thanks for sharing in my joy :)
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[George Schick]

Rod - yes, that's my understanding of how the term changed, too.  That's 
happened to lots of other words and terms over the years, as well.  Take 
"hacker" for example.  That used to mean an electronics hobbyist who fooled 
around with bread-boarded components back in the day when personal 
computing was in its infancy.  Then it got morphed into the evil meaning it 
has nowadays, largely by the media, I believe.  But, again, the meaning of 
"freds" appears to be location dependent to some extent.

On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 10:47:08 AM UTC-6, Rod Holland wrote:
>
> The term "fred" used to be associated with touring cyclists (c.f. the old 
> phreds mailing list), and was sometimes expanded to Fenders and Racks Every 
> Day. Some time in the last decade there was a sense inversion, and the name 
> started getting hung on kitted carbon riders (with the implication that 
> their gear is faster than their skill); I associate that shift with the 
> Bike Snob, but only because that's where I first encontered it. 
>
> Seems to me the old usage was actually embraced as a positive identity by 
> many of those it described, while the newer usage is merely derogatory.
>
> rod
>
>

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[RBW] New (to-me) Roadeo!

[Bill Lindsay]

I approve of Paul Y's new to him Roadeo

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Garth]

>
> everybody can relate ..
>

 

> 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Rod Holland]

The term "fred" used to be associated with touring cyclists (c.f. the old 
phreds mailing list), and was sometimes expanded to Fenders and Racks Every 
Day. Some time in the last decade there was a sense inversion, and the name 
started getting hung on kitted carbon riders (with the implication that their 
gear is faster than their skill); I associate that shift with the Bike Snob, 
but only because that's where I first encontered it. 

Seems to me the old usage was actually embraced as a positive identity by many 
of those it described, while the newer usage is merely derogatory.

rod

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Re: [RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Garth]

Yes - exactly !  !
ahahahaahahahahahahahah 



On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 10:42:21 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Except to George Carlin.  If you're slower than him you're an idiot, and 
> if you're faster than him you're a maniac.  
>
> On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 9:05:29 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>>
>>   Everyone is a Fred to somebody !  Ahahaha 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Garth]

Patrick, that's my sense of humor , some get it, some don't . .  it's all 
good .

 I ams what I ams and that's all that I ams .  . .   Pop-eye the sailor man 
, toot toot !  Or in this case . . . ding a ling a ling long along the 
trail of life . 

>

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[RBW] Re: New (to-me) Roadeo!

[Daniel Betancourt]

Congrats on the new bike. It is a sweet looking ride!

On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 9:50:55 PM UTC-5, Paul Y wrote:
>
> I just bought this 59cm Roadeo from Tim on the board. 
>
> After six years of living on the Sam and finding no other bike able to 
> replace its position in the stable, moving to the Roadeo feels like a leap 
> of faith. I had initially considered a Lyon (was not entertaining 
> international orders) and then Boulder (Mike seemed a bit too busy to reply 
> emails). Then finally had the realization that I was much more Rivified 
> than I thought, having read this board everyday for years and having really 
> REALLY grown into my Sam.
>
> Hoping to do a SR on it the Roadeo this year and fingers crossed, PBP 
> 2019, but the plan is also for this to replace my Sam as the commuter.
>
> Pics from my shakedown ride:
> https://flic.kr/p/QN8vdm
> https://flic.kr/p/QFaCGn
>
> Tektro 539s
> Rich built 105/SON28 A23
> 8 speed Sora cassette 
> 32mm Compass Stampede Pass
> All other parts are from the hillborne and were standard Riv issue in 
> 2010, except my much-missed silver shifters which suffer the 
> stuck-cable-end syndrome :(
>
> The Roadeo feels incredibly different from the Sam (56cm double TT). More 
> spritely, less robust, certainly more squirrelly at speed but I'm still 
> sorting out my riding position at this stage. Gets up to speed much quicker 
> and more effortlessly. Already missing the rack mounts and ability to mount 
> a kickstand... but I wanted a faster bike and everything can be gotten used 
> to!
>
> I have a Bagman support and fender nuts on order after which a Nelson 
> longflap and 45mm sks chromoplastics will join the party and normalcy can 
> return!
>
> Thanks for sharing in my joy :)
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Best of 2016

[Edwin W]

Looking through my pictures I didn't have too many of this year!
Here are a few. A few fun rides with sons and 
friends, though most of my miles are going from A to B alone, and quite 
unremarkable!

On Sunday, January 1, 2017 at 7:40:53 PM UTC-6, stonehog wrote:
>
> It feels like the time of year to post your "best of 2016" - are ya with 
> me??  OK - I'll start it off with the obligatory blog post (dwindling these 
> days):  https://stonehog.com/2016/12/31/2016-redux 
>
> And Flickr album: https://flic.kr/s/aHskRBkZQ9
>
> Brian Hanson
> Seattle, WA
> Bike Blog 
> @stonehog
> stonehogboɥǝuoʇs
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New (to-me) Roadeo!

[lum gim fong]

John having a hard time getting getting in touch with Boulder.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[lum gim fong]

Last year in my town a cyclist hit a child, breaking the child's femur on a MUP.
He was described as a 30-40 year old white or latino person in racing kit with 
a red and white bike with red rims.
 As far as I know they still haven't caught him.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New (to-me) Roadeo!

[lum gim fong]

Congrats on the new bike! I am also looking for a lighter snappier bike like a 
Rodeo or Boulder bike.

If I got a rodeo I would ask them to put on rack hanger barrels on the fork 
though.
They allow the option now I think. But that's buying new.

Last July I traded  my Sam frame for a Rambouillet frame and it is a much 
snappier lively ride than my Sam or Bleriot. I think the rodeo has a little 
thinner tubing than the Rambouillet so that should be even snappier.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Ron Mc]

Except to George Carlin.  If you're slower than him you're an idiot, and if 
you're faster than him you're a maniac.  

On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 9:05:29 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
>   Everyone is a Fred to somebody !  Ahahaha 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New (to-me) Roadeo!

[Patrick Moore]

Lum: What does this refer to?

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 7:51 AM, lum gim fong  wrote:

> Even on the phone?
>
>

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Re: [RBW] New (to-me) Roadeo!

[Patrick Moore]

I'll be interested to hear more comparisons with the Sam as you ride the
Roadeo more.

Oh, please don't weigh it down with a kickstand and racks! You do have the
Sam for that! IME, there is a real and distinct pleasure in a light, well
designed road bike with top end tires.


On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 7:50 PM, Paul Y  wrote:
>
>
> The Roadeo feels incredibly different from the Sam (56cm double TT). More
> spritely, less robust, certainly more squirrelly at speed but I'm still
> sorting out my riding position at this stage. Gets up to speed much quicker
> and more effortlessly. Already missing the rack mounts and ability to mount
> a kickstand... but I wanted a faster bike and everything can be gotten used
> to!
>

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[RBW] Re: Extreme long johns...

[lum gim fong]

Marino layers work for me down to 27°. That's the coldest I've ever ridden.  
After about 20 miles my thighs, thigh tendon and kneecaps start complaining 
from the wintry blasts.
Thigh muscles get jumpy/tendons hurt/knee caps ache.
This year I might try to use wool tights with the Bouré  tight over top of that 
and see if that solves my leg knee issues in the cold.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Steve Palincsar]

On 01/03/2017 10:13 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:
Garth: f there are no definitions, and one thing means the same thing 
as anything else, why does that leave you room to pontificate on 
meaning? So, why do you bother to speak at all? And why should anyone 
bother to read what you say?


Do you really believe yourself what you say below? I expect you really 
don't, and that you are really just trolling.


On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Garth > wrote:


.so much for definitions as being anything definite, since
everything is up for interpretation, everyone walking around
trying to figure out the meaning of things  . . .  Eventually it
just makes no sense, since every definition depends on another
definition, a comparing of relativities, but in relation to what
source , what Absolute ? Whats being compared ?   . . .. and in
the silence you hear a laughter like never before

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Re: [RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Steve Palincsar]

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/internet-bob


On 01/03/2017 09:49 AM, lum gim fong wrote:

What's a Bob?



You, basically, only you haven't found the group yet.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Patrick Moore]

Garth: f there are no definitions, and one thing means the same thing as
anything else, why does that leave you room to pontificate on meaning? So,
why do you bother to speak at all? And why should anyone bother to read
what you say?

Do you really believe yourself what you say below? I expect you really
don't, and that you are really just trolling.

On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 8:05 AM, Garth  wrote:

> .so much for definitions as being anything definite, since everything
> is up for interpretation, everyone walking around trying to figure out the
> meaning of things  . . .  Eventually it just makes no sense, since every
> definition depends on another definition, a comparing of relativities, but
> in relation to what source , what Absolute ? Whats being compared ?   . .
> .. and in the silence you hear a laughter like never before
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Garth]

  Everyone is a Fred to somebody !  Ahahaha so much for definitions as 
being anything definite, since everything is up for interpretation, 
everyone walking around trying to figure out the meaning of things  . . .  
Eventually it just makes no sense, since every definition depends on 
another definition, a comparing of relativities, but in relation to what 
source , what Absolute ? Whats being compared ?   . . .. and in the silence 
you hear a laughter like never before

  Yeah. . . .  Like the Dean Martin song goes . .. . Everybody Loves 
Somebody Sometime    even a "fred".   "Ain't That a Kick in the Head"  
indeed  . . .   "That's A-moore-eh" !!!







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[RBW] Hungry, Hungry Hunqapillar

[lum gim fong]

Whoah! That's about double the weight rated for that rack.  Be careful.

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Re: [RBW] WTB Mark's Rack or other small rack solution to fit Joe Appaloosa

[Jonathan Neve]

Austin, Texas.

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[RBW] FS: Ortlieb, XT V brakes, rain cape -- limbo low prices!

[Julian Westerhout]

For Sale: All prices are shipped w/in CONUS

1) Shimano Deore XT BR-M750 Dual Parallelogram V-Brakes - very good 
condition, could use new pad inserts. - $30
2) Ortlieb 5 handlebar bag - yellow and black, in good condition with two 
bar mounts (one slightly cracked, but fully usable), map case, and shoulder 
strap - $40
3) Topeak small handlebar bag/fanny pack - black, with yellow rain cover. 
Dusty from storage, essentially unused. - $20
4) Center for Appropriate Transit Rain Cape — made in USA. Large, olive, 
with hood — also including Walz special Yehuda Moon cap. Lightweight waxed 
canvas. $70

Photos here: https://flic.kr/s/aHskFE8dbg

Paypal friends preferred.

Thanks, 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, Il 

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[RBW] Re: New (to-me) Roadeo!

[lum gim fong]

Even on the phone?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[lum gim fong]

What's a Bob?

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[RBW] WTB Mark's Rack or other small rack solution to fit Joe Appaloosa

[lum gim fong]

You east coast or west coast?

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[RBW] WTB Mark's Rack or other small rack solution to fit Joe Appaloosa

[Jonathan Neve]

Hey there,

Looking for a Mark's Rack, if anyone has one collecting dust. Or if you're 
seeing this post and found a better solution you like for the carrying of a 
basket on a Joe, let me know. Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: 46-30 crank on an unloaded road bike

[Steve Palincsar]

Yes, that's what I said.


On 01/02/2017 11:04 PM, ted wrote:

Steve writes:
"... I had a 104" top gear on my 1972 P-15 Paramount as originally 
delivered.  I found it way too high.  I changed the freewheel (had no 
choice, really: the shop destroyed the Regina Oro when trying to 
remove it for the first service) to one with a 15T that brought the 
top gear down to a 97" and found that it made a huge difference: top 
gear was now usable.  It made as profound a change in the usefulness 
of the bike as switching the granny to a Merz 31.  That was a 27 x 1 
1/4" wheel, 54T big ring.  Make of that what you will. ..."


Of which I make
Steve believes a 27x1-1/4" wheel has an effective radius of 27"
That he found the 54-14 104" top gear on his 1972 P-15 Paramount too 
high for his liking.
That the ~7% smaller 97" gear he got by replacing his 14-xx freewheel 
with a 15-xx one suited him much better.


On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 7:29:29 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:

On 01/02/2017 06:37 PM, ted wrote:


John wrote: "46-11 = 113GI, pretty high for all but pros". When I
see the term "pro" there I think of somebody who makes a living
racing a bicycle. I was never a pro, never even really
competitive as a middle aged local cat 4 racer wana be, but I did
find a 116" gear (53-12 with 700c 23mm tires) useful on group
rides with a local racing oriented group. So I think John
seriously over stated how high a 46-11 gear is. It wouldn't
surprise me if competitive local cat 3 racers (a long way from
pro caliber) found a 50-11 combination (yielding ~120GI) useful.



Use cases for 50x11 (or gears that high in general):

- tandems
- sprinting at the finish of a race
- very strong riders riding fast in a pace line
- pedaling while going down several mile long hills

Making your living riding has nothing to do with it.





Veering onto antique standards, John wrote: "... from 52-14
130BCD days"
I had no idea 130BCD cranks with 52t big rings and 14-xx
freewheels (emphasis on the 130BCD) were ever a common thing. I
take it thats what 70's Schwinns had.


1970s Paramounts had Campagnolo Record cranks.  144mm BCD, I think.



Learn something new every day.
I always thought the Campi 144BCD was standard back then and that
the 130BCD standard emerged much later to allow the 39t small
ring (as opposed to the previously prevalent 42) of the 53/39
cranks that were ubiquitous on "racing" bikes before 50/34 110BCD
"compact cranks" came on the scene. By that time I believe
cassettes typically started at 13, 12, or even 11 teeth. So I
didn't think there was ever a time when 52-14 top gears and
130BCD cranks went together. Not that that is of any importance,
just saying thats what I thought.

If anybody is still reading, I apologize for the impending
snarkyness but it seems I can't help myself.


Work on it.


John recommends 98-100 inches which is 99" plus or minus 1". He
also says 2" is insignificant, and says 103" is too high. I find
all that rather inconsistent. If 3" too many is too much, I
wouldn't think 2" is insignificant. Does the transition from
insignificance to excess occur in a delta of <1%? If 2" is
insignificant, why not 97 to 101"? If the target is 99" why all
the talk about a magic and recommended 100" value that he seems
to treat more like an upper bound than an actual target?


All snarkiness aside, I had a 104" top gear on my 1972 P-15
Paramount as originally delivered.  I found it way too high.  I
changed the freewheel (had no choice, really: the shop destroyed
the Regina Oro when trying to remove it for the first service) to
one with a 15T that brought the top gear down to a 97" and found
that it made a huge difference: top gear was now usable.  It made
as profound a change in the usefulness of the bike as switching
the granny to a Merz 31.  That was a 27 x 1 1/4" wheel, 54T big
ring.  Make of that what you will.   And back then, I lived in the
Catskills, where we did have some big long mountains to ride down,
unlike now where most of my "downhills" are stream-cut gorges no
more than 150' deep and 0.3 - 0.6 mi.

These days, everything of mine is in the 96 - 99" range (except
the Moulton, which is in the mid-80s).




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Re: [RBW] Re: 46-30 crank on an unloaded road bike

[Steve Palincsar]

I know one can readily replace a 1st position 12 with a 1st position 13 
tooth sprocket - I've been doing it for the past 15 years - but I'm not 
100% certain you can as easily replace an 11 with a 12.  I've asked that 
question on the forums and have received equivocal answers; perhaps some 
can be and some cannot. But even there, it all depends on what's next in 
sequence.  If the 2nd position sprocket is a 12 then replacing the 11 
with a 12 makes no sense.   Although this is a standard way to customize 
9 speed cassettes, nor does removing the 2nd position sprocket in order 
to add a larger one at the end because with the 10 speed Shimano 
cassette design you can't slip a flat sprocket behind the 10th.


As to which is easier, customizing cassettes or chain rings: long term 
if you can get exactly the gearing you want by using a standard cassette 
and changing the chain rings, provided the front shifts OK then this is 
by far the simpler in the long run.  In the short run, of course, 
changing chain rings is much more expensive and complicated than 
swapping cassettes.  What's more, standard cassettes shift better than 
modified ones.



On 01/02/2017 11:54 PM, ted wrote:

Garth,
I suppose, sure. Though really its the gear (ratio of chainring over 
cog) that you don't want, so you can blame it on either the cog or the 
ring. Are you configuring rings around a cog you don't want, or cogs 
around a ring you don't want? I suppose either point of view is 
equally valid. Whether or not reconfiguring off the shelf cassettes is 
simpler than picking chainrings is probably a matter on which 
reasonable people might disagree. Also cassettes seem to wear out more 
frequently than cranks/chainrings, so if you choose the route of 
reconfiguring cassettes you may have to deal with the matter more 
frequently.


On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 8:19:28 PM UTC-8, Garth wrote:

While I am not familiar with every type of casette, but are not
the smallest/lock ring cogs individual and easily replaced with a
12 or whatever on most cassettes ?  Ceratainly a bit more simple
than trying to configure rings around a cog/cogs you do not want
or need. I would rather have gears I could actually use on the top
end myself .




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[RBW] Re: New (to-me) Roadeo!

[John G.]

Looks great! I've also been searching for a zippy steel road frame, and I 
keep coming back to the Roadeo. I've also thought about the Boulder Bicycle 
Road Sport, but have had zero luck getting in touch with them...

On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 9:50:55 PM UTC-5, Paul Y wrote:
>
> I just bought this 59cm Roadeo from Tim on the board. 
>
> After six years of living on the Sam and finding no other bike able to 
> replace its position in the stable, moving to the Roadeo feels like a leap 
> of faith. I had initially considered a Lyon (was not entertaining 
> international orders) and then Boulder (Mike seemed a bit too busy to reply 
> emails). Then finally had the realization that I was much more Rivified 
> than I thought, having read this board everyday for years and having really 
> REALLY grown into my Sam.
>
> Hoping to do a SR on it the Roadeo this year and fingers crossed, PBP 
> 2019, but the plan is also for this to replace my Sam as the commuter.
>
> Pics from my shakedown ride:
> https://flic.kr/p/QN8vdm
> https://flic.kr/p/QFaCGn
>
> Tektro 539s
> Rich built 105/SON28 A23
> 8 speed Sora cassette 
> 32mm Compass Stampede Pass
> All other parts are from the hillborne and were standard Riv issue in 
> 2010, except my much-missed silver shifters which suffer the 
> stuck-cable-end syndrome :(
>
> The Roadeo feels incredibly different from the Sam (56cm double TT). More 
> spritely, less robust, certainly more squirrelly at speed but I'm still 
> sorting out my riding position at this stage. Gets up to speed much quicker 
> and more effortlessly. Already missing the rack mounts and ability to mount 
> a kickstand... but I wanted a faster bike and everything can be gotten used 
> to!
>
> I have a Bagman support and fender nuts on order after which a Nelson 
> longflap and 45mm sks chromoplastics will join the party and normalcy can 
> return!
>
> Thanks for sharing in my joy :)
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Ron Mc]

exactly

On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 8:05:36 AM UTC-6, Skenry wrote:
>
> I have never heard the term Fred to denote a racer type persona.   It has 
> been used since the mid80s in person and in magazines to describe what now 
> is a BoB.   
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Multi Use Path Etiquette

[Scott Henry]

I have never heard the term Fred to denote a racer type persona.   It has
been used since the mid80s in person and in magazines to describe what now
is a BoB.


On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 2:01 PM, George Schick  wrote:

> The term "fred" seems to have morphed into a myriad of meanings nowadays
> (according to a look-up in the Urban Dictionary, anyway), but the way it
> gets used "locally" implies someone who portrays him/herself as a racer,
> decked out in the some of the priciest gear from head to toe, rides an
> expensive professional-class bike, and goes out on the MUP's instead of the
> street where he probably belongs, to seemingly prove to everyone else out
> there how great he is.  There are lots of riders in this area who depart
> from an LBS just down the street from me most every evening during the
> regular riding season in a large pack; but they ride and carry out their
> training entirely on the streets and roads.
>
> As far as attire is concerned, I wear lycra and have sub-35 tires, too
> (though not by much), and it's all fine.  But the freds seem to like to
> take things to the extreme even where it's impractical.  Most of the MUP's
> in this area are surfaced with compacted "limestone screenings," the fine
> and often powdery stuff that's left at the bottom after all the other sizes
> of crushed limestone rock have been sorted.  How anyone can ride on the
> stuff with something like 25's is beyond me, but you see 'em out there.
>
>
> On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 11:47:25 AM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On 01/02/2017 11:14 AM, George Schick wrote:
>>
>> Agreed (and also with Lum Gim's comment).  And BTW, those "in lycra with
>> skinny tires" are usually known by the slang term "freds."
>>
>>
>> Are you sure?  When did that happen?  When they first started using the
>> term, it applied to us, not to them.  Googling the term, I retrieved this:
>>
>> *Fred is a derisive term used by “serious” road cyclists to describe
>> other cyclists who do not conform to serious road cyclists' norms with
>> regard to dress and equipment, and appear amateurish to them. The term is
>> generally reserved for men, while the female Fred is sometimes called a
>> “Doris.”**Apr 2, 2011*
>>
>> Sure sounds like a "roadie's" view of us...
>>
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[RBW] Re: 46-30 crank on an unloaded road bike

[Belopsky]

This is similar to my issue - I have 48/30 up front, with a 11-28 rear 
(11,12,13,14,15,17,19,21,24,28). I think I want to buy a 36 chainring but 
also not sure if this is the crank I will be running long term on this bike 
or if I should get a different compact double and save the 48/30 for my 
rando GB..

On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 11:54:08 PM UTC-5, ted wrote:
>
> Garth,
> I suppose, sure. Though really its the gear (ratio of chainring over cog) 
> that you don't want, so you can blame it on either the cog or the ring. Are 
> you configuring rings around a cog you don't want, or cogs around a ring 
> you don't want? I suppose either point of view is equally valid. Whether or 
> not reconfiguring off the shelf cassettes is simpler than picking 
> chainrings is probably a matter on which reasonable people might disagree. 
> Also cassettes seem to wear out more frequently than cranks/chainrings, so 
> if you choose the route of reconfiguring cassettes you may have to deal 
> with the matter more frequently.
>
> On Monday, January 2, 2017 at 8:19:28 PM UTC-8, Garth wrote:
>>
>> While I am not familiar with every type of casette, but are not the 
>> smallest/lock ring cogs individual and easily replaced with a 12 or 
>> whatever on most cassettes ?  Ceratainly a bit more simple than trying to 
>> configure rings around a cog/cogs you do not want or need. I would rather 
>> have gears I could actually use on the top end myself .  
>>
>

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[RBW] New (to-me) Roadeo!

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Paul. I think you're going to love your Roadeo. I've had one since 2013 but 
I've never had a day to day comparison until this week because I worked on the 
road. My Hilsen was with me. I trained for and rode PBP on it and the Roadeo 
was here in KC, thus I only rode it every 1-3 months, and only for a day or two 
at the most. I am back in KC now and just last week got to ride them on the 
same ride on consecutive days. I really fell in love with the Roadeo. Of course 
it's built up differently but the ride is much more lively and responsive, 
although I still love my Hilsen. I'm looking forward to hearing your experience.

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