[RBW] Re: Brass Bells

[Bill in Roswell GA]

I would think any type of modern auto paint protector sealant such as made 
by 3M, Meguiars, Mothers, Turtlewax, Liquid Glass, etc., would work. And 
you can use it on your bike frame as well as the car. There are boat 
versions marketed but it's really all the same stuff. Such sealants 
typically last 8-12 months, whereas old school carnuba wax last about 3 
months. 

The nice thing about modern sealants is you can just spray it on, let it 
dry and wipe off any excess "haze" that may be left after it dries. 
Silicone dioxide is the ingredient used in such products. It protects hard 
surfaces, whether paint, chrome or brushed metal finish, raw or anodized. 
The more expensive sealants have more SiO2 per ounce than the cheaper ones 
and thus last longer. Treat your bell every few months and it should keep a 
nice appearance. And while you're at it, just do the whole bike. Sealant is 
particularly awesome on wheels to help protect from road grime (I rub it on 
with cloth to keep it off of the brake track and then hit up the track with 
a stone or 3M pad just to be sure it's clean).

I have 3 relatives who enter their cars in concours events and that's the 
stuff they use (weekend driver cars, not garage queens). It works great on 
my bike's OEM paint (none are powder coated but SiO2 works great on that, 
too) and my boat's gel coat. 

Hopefully that helps and doesn't cause any controversy like chain lube 
does! 

Cheers,
Bill in Roswell, GA




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[RBW] Easiest way to transport Saluki on Southwest

[Justin August]

In March my wife has a CME in LA. I'm going to fly down and meet her. I'd love 
to bring my Saluki with me. No fenders, front rack + basket, rear Bagman (may 
omit and buy an Ehrlen while down there), Paul center pulls, drop bars.

What's the easiest way?

I'm willing to do things to "rinko-Ize" it if need be. 

Any suggestions?

-Justin

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[RBW] FS: MTN and Road shoes, windstopper tights.

[lum gim fong]

see here: https://www.flickr.com/gp/70237737@N00/HTB281

*Tights:*
 are 40+ shipping.
Aerotech Thermal Windstopper Tights
Large. Black. Articulated knee. No pad. Elastic waist with tie string.
Bought new from Aerotech. No shop logo. 86% Polyester/14% Spandex
Reflective bits.
Zippered at bottom of legs.
Only ridden once, less than 9 miles. Laundered once.

*MTN and road shoes:*
come without cleats and are 20$ a pair + shipping.

*Specialized Road shoes* size 44 (red stitching and black/yellow 
footbed)-$40

*Specialized mountain shoes* size 44 (semi-walkable, comes with stock 
specialized footbed and blue BGFit footbed).-40$, or 55$ with cleats as 
shown.  (shoe has the blue footbed/white stitching) But note that I did 
slice a little edge off of the tread to fit a little more rotation for the 
frog cleat. You can see it in the pic.

Both shoes have low miles. Sorry, I didn't bother to clean the tread of the 
mountain shoes because I wanted to get pics up quick. Both sets of shoes 
were only used for road riding.

Paypal

pm me if interested.

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[RBW] Re: ghost shifting and the clementine

[Joe Bernard]

Kai, it's good to know that combination works. I just stripped a mini velo of 
its Shimano 9-speed bar-ends-on-VO-thumbies to transfer to my Appaloosa. I 
wasn't happy with the SunRace 9-speed thumbies I was using, so now I think I'll 
put the mini back together with SunRace mounts and Silver shifters (I have all 
the parts).

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[RBW] FS: Park Tool TW2 Torque Wrench - new!

[lum gim fong]

Never used. New in box. Sparkling super new clean and ready to torque your 
Riv!

40$ +shipping

Pics here:   https://www.flickr.com/gp/70237737@N00/AzpS3e


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[RBW] Re: Hunq-ish Romanceur build with Riv Bullmoose bars

[adam leibow]

why not get an Evasion or better yet, wait for the Shred Eagle from Crust? 
Romanceur kinda works as a MTB but I can't see feeling really confident on 
it considering the geometry, high top tube, and overall design philosophy. 
I think the Rom is happiest as a mixed terrain long distance crusher / 
randonneur kinda bike. also, low trail's gonna be hella twitchy when you're 
trying to rip... my rippiest bike (surly krampus) has like 80mm of trail. 

On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 4:03:35 PM UTC-8, Zach Duval wrote:
>
> Anyone want to play build designer on my dime?
>
> Apologies if this is off topic (non-Riv frame), but I'm looking for advice 
> on building up my Crust bikes Romanceur frame into a Hunq-inspired trail 
> bike. (This is sort of a poor-ish man's Riv, but with disc brakes).
>
> So far I've only got the bars and a SUNXCD crankset (46-28, after the 28 
> was mistakenly shipped instead of a 30).
>
> What additional drivetrain parts would you spec?
>
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Re: [RBW] ATTENTION NY RIV'S

[Kai Vierstra]

Huzzah! Tuesdays are rough, looking forward to Wednesday 
-Kai Vierstra 
Bucktown NY 

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[RBW] Re: ghost shifting and the clementine

[Kai Vierstra]

I have Riv silver down tube shifters mounted on my Clem's standard issue 
shifter mounts. I think they're great! Mostly for the fact that the mount 
rotates, but they seem to hold well enough. And since they're already on your 
bike it would be an infinitely cheaper option than Paul's or the IRD mounts if 
you decide to swap out the shifters.
-Kai Vierstra 
Brooklyn NY  

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 62cm Black and Cream

[scott minor]

Hi Dave,  My PBH is 94, inseam is 35"ish and 62 sam is a good fit.  I think I'm 
right in the middle of recommended PBH range for it.--Scott 

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Re: [RBW] Hunq-ish Romanceur build with Riv Bullmoose bars

[Christopher Cote]

No logical reason why. 

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Re: [RBW] Hunq-ish Romanceur build with Riv Bullmoose bars

[Steve Palincsar]

On 01/15/2017 09:47 PM, Christopher Cote wrote:

Those frames look awesome, but I'm stuck on 700c/29 wheels. I'd go with:



Is it worth asking why?


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[RBW] Hunq-ish Romanceur build with Riv Bullmoose bars

[Christopher Cote]

Those frames look awesome, but I'm stuck on 700c/29 wheels. I'd go with:

Shimano Deore hubs
Surly rabbit hole rims
Avid BB7 brakes and levers
Microshift thumbies
Shimano XT shadow plus rear derailleur 
Parts bin front der
Wide range 10spd cassette
Albatross/bullmoose/Osprey/etc swoopy bars

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[RBW] NY RIVS

[alan lavine]

Beer hall meeting changed to Wed. 1/18.  Same place/time.

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Re: [RBW] ATTENTION NY RIV'S

[Alan Lavine]

Wed it is!  See you there.
Alan
> On Jan 15, 2017, at 5:48 PM, Michael Morrissey  
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> I could do wed!
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[RBW] Re: RIVEOPARDY

[dougP]

Now that took some head scratching!  As promised, some of the clues were a 
bit fuzzy.  As often happens whenever I think I've done well, I've probably 
made some silly blunders.  But hey, made me dig out some ancient sources & 
re-read some interesting articles from the good old days of paper.  Loads 
of fun.

dougP

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 11:58:12 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Check out Grant's Blahg for a neat sort-of-a contest. You have to write on 
> paper and send in a real envelope. With a real stamp!
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA. 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Sam Hillborne 62cm Black and Cream

[DaveS]

Good evening Scott, interested in the Sam.  Curious what your inseam/PBH 
is?  I currently am riding a 60 Bombadil and am a little worried that this 
may be too big.  Thanks!

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> price drop to 875 for group members.  Also now listed on ebay.  
>
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[RBW] Re: Off topic question: portable cd players

[George Schick]

A brief Web-scan indicates that Sony DiscMan's are still available.  I've 
had one of these for many years now and it's never failed to perform well - 
better, in fact, than the big old unit in my hi-fi cabinet for playing 
partially damaged discs.  Quite a few out there on FleaBay, looks like, too.


On Sunday, January 15, 2017 at 4:13:58 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I want a cheap and simple and very small device to plug into my Harman 
> Kardon amplifier/speakers to play Bach and Grateful Dead, but not at the 
> same time. I need it to do nothing except that it play standard music CDs 
> reliably while sitting on top of my cabinet next to the speakers; I don't 
> need bass booster or skip protection. Can anyone recommend something like 
> this?
>
> What about this one? At least, it has a good Fakespot rating.
>
> Thanks. Better reply offlist to bert...@gmail.com .
>
> Riv content: I have most of Dylan's albums ("Albums". There's a term from 
> the 78 rpm past!) but Jerry Garcia at his post psychedelic best ought to be 
> criterion enough.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000VADPHY/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYUtTuxf5LU=RD7AbF26nldtQ=4
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>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Hub area racks & bags (tan)

[Sky Coulter]

Jay, I know this thread has been dormant for forever, but did you ever sell 
'em?

Thanks,

Sky in new west

On Tuesday, September 6, 2016 at 7:40:28 PM UTC-7, Jay Lonner wrote:
>
> Pictures per request.
>
> On Monday, September 5, 2016 at 6:25:58 AM UTC-7, Ed Felker wrote:
>>
>> Jay, do you have photos? Interested. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ghost shifting and the clementine

[Sky Coulter]

Ya, I know. A little embarrassing. But...well worth embarrassment for an 
easy solution.  Thanks again to everyone for the help and advice.

Sky in new west

On Sunday, January 15, 2017 at 4:52:44 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Or you can tighten the shifter. I didn't think of that! ;-) 

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Re: [RBW] Re: ghost shifting and the clementine

[Joe Bernard]

Or you can tighten the shifter. I didn't think of that! ;-) 

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Re: [RBW] Re: ghost shifting and the clementine

[Patrick Moore]

I'm glad the problem and the solution is so simple. I've used so many
shifters with attaching screws that gradually loosen; the old Nuovo Record
dt shifters were notorious for doing this. Blue Loctite is a wonderful all
purpose fix, along with vise grips, duct tape, and big hammers.

FWIW, with my otherwise superbly excellent Silver bar end shifters, you
have to get the bolts' tension just right to avoid both binding and
slipping. And the D screws loosen. I tossed the D screws in favor of allen
button head bolts, to which I apply a bit of blue loctite. Get them just
right and they stay adjusted.

On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 5:12 PM, Sky Coulter 
wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> Thanks a bunch. I tightened the shifter mechanism (a little on the stiff
> side now for shifting) and voila indeed! Problem appears to have
> disappeared.
>
> Which is absolutely fantastic news.  I'll see if it holds up, but from the
> little test ride I just did - no more ghost shifting.
>
> I'm thrilled that it's not because I'm too big and the chain is too long.
>
> Sky in new west
>
>
> On Sunday, January 15, 2017 at 4:06:00 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Ah yes, the infamous cheapie thumbies. I have a pair that have seen
>> several bikes, and they're almost comically good at what they do for how
>> cheap they are. I definitely prefer them over the ones I struggled with on
>> the Clem.
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[RBW] Re: ghost shifting and the clementine

[Sky Coulter]

Patrick,

Thanks a bunch. I tightened the shifter mechanism (a little on the stiff 
side now for shifting) and voila indeed! Problem appears to have 
disappeared.

Which is absolutely fantastic news.  I'll see if it holds up, but from the 
little test ride I just did - no more ghost shifting.

I'm thrilled that it's not because I'm too big and the chain is too long.

Sky in new west

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>
> Ah yes, the infamous cheapie thumbies. I have a pair that have seen 
> several bikes, and they're almost comically good at what they do for how 
> cheap they are. I definitely prefer them over the ones I struggled with on 
> the Clem. 

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[RBW] Re: ghost shifting and the clementine

[Joe Bernard]

Ah yes, the infamous cheapie thumbies. I have a pair that have seen several 
bikes, and they're almost comically good at what they do for how cheap they 
are. I definitely prefer them over the ones I struggled with on the Clem. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: ghost shifting and the clementine

[Christopher Murray]

Any smaller rider would give you a pretty good idea if weight is the issue. 

Good luck!

cm 

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Re: [RBW] Re: ghost shifting and the clementine

[Sky Coulter]

Nice suggestion Chris! Unfortunately, the only 100lber I know who might be 
able to is a 12 year old girl, and I worry she's a bit too small to manage 
the bike.

Sky in New west.

On Sunday, January 15, 2017 at 3:42:53 PM UTC-8, Christopher Murray wrote:
>
> Any chance you could find a 100lb test pilot? Then you'd know if weight/ 
> flex was the issue. 
>
> Cheers! 
> Chris
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[RBW] Re: ghost shifting and the clementine

[Sky Coulter]

Thanks Joe, that's a super generous offer and I appreciate it. I think I 
already have a pair of cheaper thumbies in a parts box from 
velo-orange: 
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/shifting-freewheels-cassettes/shifters/falcon-friction-thumb-shifters.html

But in truth, if I replace the shifters that came with it, I'll probably go 
for the IRD ones or paul thumbies and silver or shimano shifters. Or hold 
out for the new ones riv are putting out.  But thanks very much for the 
offer.

Ya, the finicky shifting, ghost shifting is something that doesn't sit well 
with me.  But I love the ride of the bike otherwise.  I think Patrick's 
suggestion is promising and I'll try that before doing anything more 
drastic.

I'm really trying to avoid blinging out the clementine, on account that it 
is intended to be a practical, economy kind of ride. But I do seem to 
incline toward replacing the frugal with fancy - just so long as the 
function improves.

Sky in new west

On Sunday, January 15, 2017 at 3:45:04 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Well phooey, I was hoping that would work. The problem with the shifters 
> is they were designed for IGH hubs, where whatever ratchet effect in the 
> shifter was overcome by the solid clicks being in the hub. Without the hub 
> involved, the shifters - I've used them on a Clem demo I rode - tend to 
> want to settle into one of those little clicks. On the one day of riding I 
> spent with them I had a tough time finding and holding the right gear I was 
> looking for..it drive me batty. 
>
> I don't think you need to replace the derailer (yet), just match it with a 
> real 8-speed shifter, or go friction with Silver Power Ratchets. 
>
> Hey, I just thought of something. I have a SunRace 8-speed thumbshifter 
> that matches your shifters. You would have to swap your current righty to 
> the ledt, then mount the 8-speed on the right, but it would work without 
> having to pop for two new shifters. I bought it a while back from RBW and 
> used it for a short time on a now-abandoned project. They're only 18 bucks 
> new, so you can have it for flat-rate shipping, which is about $7.00. Looks 
> like the link below, let me know if you want to try it. 
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/shifting/products/sunrace-8-speed-m90-thumb-shifter
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Off topic question: portable cd players

[Anton Tutter]

CD? What's a CD?

Anton


On Sunday, January 15, 2017 at 5:13:58 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I want a cheap and simple and very small device to plug into my Harman 
> Kardon amplifier/speakers to play Bach and Grateful Dead, but not at the 
> same time. I need it to do nothing except that it play standard music CDs 
> reliably while sitting on top of my cabinet next to the speakers; I don't 
> need bass booster or skip protection. Can anyone recommend something like 
> this?
>
> What about this one? At least, it has a good Fakespot rating.
>
> Thanks. Better reply offlist to bert...@gmail.com .
>
> Riv content: I have most of Dylan's albums ("Albums". There's a term from 
> the 78 rpm past!) but Jerry Garcia at his post psychedelic best ought to be 
> criterion enough.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000VADPHY/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza
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>
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Re: [RBW] Re: ghost shifting and the clementine

[Sky Coulter]

Thanks Patrick,

I'll give that a go.


Sky in new west

On Sunday, January 15, 2017 at 3:29:52 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Sky: if the slipping occurs only in the direction that the rear derailleur 
> spring pulls, that is, toward smaller cogs (= higher gear), that indicates 
> that the shift lever is not tight enough. Remove the screw holding the 
> shift lever to the body, apply blue Loctite, re-install to the proper 
> torque, let dry, and wala, problem solved. At least, that's what I do with 
> my Silver bar end shifters.
>
> On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Sky Coulter  > wrote:
>
>> So. Took it out, tried adjusting the barrel on the derailer - no joy. I 
>> did discover that t is only shifting into the smaller gear though, when it 
>> slips.  Maybe it is the shifters.  I was hoping to avoid buying new ones, 
>> but...
>>
>> Sky in new west
>>
>> On Sunday, January 15, 2017 at 1:59:15 PM UTC-8, Sky Coulter wrote:
>>>
>>> I think it's in both directions.  Hard to tell because it only happens 
>>> underload and discombobulates me everytime it happens. Thanks for the 
>>> advice, I'll try the adjustment you suggest - certainly easier and cheaper 
>>> than replacing bits.
>>>
>>> Thanks Joe.
>>>
>>> Sky in new west
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 15, 2017 at 1:53:46 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Is it shifting both directions under load, or only one way? Those weird 
 index-not-really-index shifters may have the derailer pulleys located just 
 off center of the cogs, which causes the ghost shift under load. 

 The trick in that case would be to use that adjuster thingy on the 
 derailer to loosen or tighten the cable a smidge. Example: If the shift is 
 always to a harder gear, turn the adjuster counter-clockwise a half turn, 
 which will move the derailer cage slightly left towards the bigger cogs. 

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[RBW] Re: ghost shifting and the clementine

[Joe Bernard]

Well phooey, I was hoping that would work. The problem with the shifters is 
they were designed for IGH hubs, where whatever ratchet effect in the shifter 
was overcome by the solid clicks being in the hub. Without the hub involved, 
the shifters - I've used them on a Clem demo I rode - tend to want to settle 
into one of those little clicks. On the one day of riding I spent with them I 
had a tough time finding and holding the right gear I was looking for..it drive 
me batty. 

I don't think you need to replace the derailer (yet), just match it with a real 
8-speed shifter, or go friction with Silver Power Ratchets. 

Hey, I just thought of something. I have a SunRace 8-speed thumbshifter that 
matches your shifters. You would have to swap your current righty to the ledt, 
then mount the 8-speed on the right, but it would work without having to pop 
for two new shifters. I bought it a while back from RBW and used it for a short 
time on a now-abandoned project. They're only 18 bucks new, so you can have it 
for flat-rate shipping, which is about $7.00. Looks like the link below, let me 
know if you want to try it. 

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/shifting/products/sunrace-8-speed-m90-thumb-shifter

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: ghost shifting and the clementine

[Christopher Murray]

Any chance you could find a 100lb test pilot? Then you'd know if weight/ flex 
was the issue. 

Cheers! 
Chris

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Re: [RBW] Re: ghost shifting and the clementine

[Patrick Moore]

Sky: if the slipping occurs only in the direction that the rear derailleur
spring pulls, that is, toward smaller cogs (= higher gear), that indicates
that the shift lever is not tight enough. Remove the screw holding the
shift lever to the body, apply blue Loctite, re-install to the proper
torque, let dry, and wala, problem solved. At least, that's what I do with
my Silver bar end shifters.

On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 3:27 PM, Sky Coulter 
wrote:

> So. Took it out, tried adjusting the barrel on the derailer - no joy. I
> did discover that t is only shifting into the smaller gear though, when it
> slips.  Maybe it is the shifters.  I was hoping to avoid buying new ones,
> but...
>
> Sky in new west
>
> On Sunday, January 15, 2017 at 1:59:15 PM UTC-8, Sky Coulter wrote:
>>
>> I think it's in both directions.  Hard to tell because it only happens
>> underload and discombobulates me everytime it happens. Thanks for the
>> advice, I'll try the adjustment you suggest - certainly easier and cheaper
>> than replacing bits.
>>
>> Thanks Joe.
>>
>> Sky in new west
>>
>> On Sunday, January 15, 2017 at 1:53:46 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Is it shifting both directions under load, or only one way? Those weird
>>> index-not-really-index shifters may have the derailer pulleys located just
>>> off center of the cogs, which causes the ghost shift under load.
>>>
>>> The trick in that case would be to use that adjuster thingy on the
>>> derailer to loosen or tighten the cable a smidge. Example: If the shift is
>>> always to a harder gear, turn the adjuster counter-clockwise a half turn,
>>> which will move the derailer cage slightly left towards the bigger cogs.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: ghost shifting and the clementine

[Sky Coulter]

Thanks for your help Joe. 

t's an 8 speed cassette.  In the 5th position, when pedalling hard, it 
shifts to 4th. Unfortunately the pic I took isn't very helpful and shows it 
in the 4th position. It doesn't matter how much I try to offset the 
derailer medially, it'll either start trying to shift to the next higher up 
gear, or it'll shift the the next lower gear under load.

But I don't believe the shifter is indexing - as near as I can tell it 
clicks, but the clicks don't correlate to any gear.  And from what I 
remember reading a while back the irrelevant clicks were intended to add to 
the charm of the bike.  In any case, if the derailer and/or shifters are 
gonna be this finicky, I'd rather replace them with something more 
reliable.  I guess my concern is that I'll buy bits and still have the same 
problem. If the root of the problem is that:  I'm heavy + the mixte frame 
is more prone to flex + the chain is super long.  


Thanks,

Sky

On Sunday, January 15, 2017 at 2:47:58 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Ok, let's try this. Shift into the middle of the cassette, which would be 
> 5th from biggest on a 9-speed. Get it into whatever click seems to 
> correspond with being able to pedal that gear normally. Now go back to the 
> derailer and see where the pulleys are lined up. Are they sitting directly 
> under the 5th cog, or slightly to the right? If so, you can turn that 
> adjuster more until the pulleys are slightly left of the cog. Shimano 
> derailers can function this way because of the floating top pulley. 
>
> For true indexed systems I set them up with this leftward bias. It still 
> allows solid shifts to smaller cogs, while making that climb up to bigger 
> ones a little easier. This should solve your problem, I don't think that 
> stout frame is going to flex enough to cause ghost shifting. Good luck!
>

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Re: [RBW] ATTENTION NY RIV'S

[Michael Morrissey]

I could do wed!

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[RBW] Re: ghost shifting and the clementine

[Joe Bernard]

Ok, let's try this. Shift into the middle of the cassette, which would be 5th 
from biggest on a 9-speed. Get it into whatever click seems to correspond with 
being able to pedal that gear normally. Now go back to the derailer and see 
where the pulleys are lined up. Are they sitting directly under the 5th cog, or 
slightly to the right? If so, you can turn that adjuster more until the pulleys 
are slightly left of the cog. Shimano derailers can function this way because 
of the floating top pulley. 

For true indexed systems I set them up with this leftward bias. It still allows 
solid shifts to smaller cogs, while making that climb up to bigger ones a 
little easier. This should solve your problem, I don't think that stout frame 
is going to flex enough to cause ghost shifting. Good luck!

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[RBW] Re: ghost shifting and the clementine

[Sky Coulter]

So. Took it out, tried adjusting the barrel on the derailer - no joy. I did 
discover that t is only shifting into the smaller gear though, when it 
slips.  Maybe it is the shifters.  I was hoping to avoid buying new ones, 
but...

Sky in new west

On Sunday, January 15, 2017 at 1:59:15 PM UTC-8, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> I think it's in both directions.  Hard to tell because it only happens 
> underload and discombobulates me everytime it happens. Thanks for the 
> advice, I'll try the adjustment you suggest - certainly easier and cheaper 
> than replacing bits.
>
> Thanks Joe.
>
> Sky in new west
>
> On Sunday, January 15, 2017 at 1:53:46 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Is it shifting both directions under load, or only one way? Those weird 
>> index-not-really-index shifters may have the derailer pulleys located just 
>> off center of the cogs, which causes the ghost shift under load. 
>>
>> The trick in that case would be to use that adjuster thingy on the 
>> derailer to loosen or tighten the cable a smidge. Example: If the shift is 
>> always to a harder gear, turn the adjuster counter-clockwise a half turn, 
>> which will move the derailer cage slightly left towards the bigger cogs. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] ATTENTION NY RIV'S

[Brad Paris]

Yes! Wednesday works for me!

Brad

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> I can do Wed evening…Brad?
>
> > On Jan 15, 2017, at 11:01 AM, Michael Morrissey <
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> > I'd love to! But, I can't make Tuesday! Another time?
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[RBW] Brass Bells

[George Schick]

During the frozen Winter months in this part of the country I like to clean 
and maintain my bikes, making any upgrades or replacements as necessary. 
 One thing I always run into is a large patch of reddish-brown rust, 
oxidization, or whatever you want to call whatever it is that happens to 
brass my a bell.  I polish it out (which takes quite a white because it's 
quite thick) until it looks pretty much normal again using Happish 
Simichrome polish.  By the end of the riding season this year it'll be back 
again.  Just that one patch.

I understand that there's something you can apply to brass to "seal" it so 
this corrosion doesn't happen.  Anyone on here know anything about that?

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[RBW] Off topic question: portable cd players

[Patrick Moore]

I want a cheap and simple and very small device to plug into my Harman
Kardon amplifier/speakers to play Bach and Grateful Dead, but not at the
same time. I need it to do nothing except that it play standard music CDs
reliably while sitting on top of my cabinet next to the speakers; I don't
need bass booster or skip protection. Can anyone recommend something like
this?

What about this one? At least, it has a good Fakespot rating.

Thanks. Better reply offlist to bertin...@gmail.com.

Riv content: I have most of Dylan's albums ("Albums". There's a term from
the 78 rpm past!) but Jerry Garcia at his post psychedelic best ought to be
criterion enough.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000VADPHY/ref=ask_ql_qh_dp_hza


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[RBW] Re: ghost shifting and the clementine

[Garth]

The shifters.

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[RBW] Re: ghost shifting and the clementine

[Sky Coulter]

I think it's in both directions.  Hard to tell because it only happens 
underload and discombobulates me everytime it happens. Thanks for the 
advice, I'll try the adjustment you suggest - certainly easier and cheaper 
than replacing bits.

Thanks Joe.

Sky in new west

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>
> Is it shifting both directions under load, or only one way? Those weird 
> index-not-really-index shifters may have the derailer pulleys located just 
> off center of the cogs, which causes the ghost shift under load. 
>
> The trick in that case would be to use that adjuster thingy on the 
> derailer to loosen or tighten the cable a smidge. Example: If the shift is 
> always to a harder gear, turn the adjuster counter-clockwise a half turn, 
> which will move the derailer cage slightly left towards the bigger cogs. 
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[RBW] ghost shifting and the clementine

[Joe Bernard]

Is it shifting both directions under load, or only one way? Those weird 
index-not-really-index shifters may have the derailer pulleys located just off 
center of the cogs, which causes the ghost shift under load. 

The trick in that case would be to use that adjuster thingy on the derailer to 
loosen or tighten the cable a smidge. Example: If the shift is always to a 
harder gear, turn the adjuster counter-clockwise a half turn, which will move 
the derailer cage slightly left towards the bigger cogs. 

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[RBW] ghost shifting and the clementine

[Sky Coulter]

Hey, 

hoping for some helpful advice, thought I'd throw it out to the group.

A while back I bought the demo 59cm clementine from rivendell:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/140959259@N03/31954788560/in/dateposted-public/

Issue:  when I stand and peddle the bike shifts gears on the rear cassette.

Suspicion: I think this is happening because I weigh 240lb and the long 
chainstays necessitate a very long chain.  When I stand and peddle I flex 
the bottom bracket shifting weight side to side. This flex is propagated 
down the chain to the rear cassette growing more exaggerated the further 
down it travels until it skips the chain from one gear to another.

Question 1: Does this sound right? It doesn't happen when I'm seated and 
pedalling so I don't think it's a bent derailer.

Question 2: Any advice on how to stop it?  I was following a discussion a 
month back or so on clutch rear derailers that manage chain slap for 
mountain bikes.  The impression I got was that if a clutch rear derailer 
dampens chain movement adequately to stop chain slap, then maybe it would 
help resolve the ghostshifting issue I'm having.

I quite like the clementine and am really hoping to resolve this issue. 
Even if I can't fix it, the bike will still be adequate for my immediate 
needs (rides with baby). But I'd like to be able to get full use from the 
bike.

Thanks for any advice or helpful thoughts,

Sky in new west 

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Re: [RBW] Question about stand over and head tube

[iamkeith]

If i understand your question correctly:

1) bottom bracket height matters a lot.  For a given (& workable) standover 
height, the saddle can come down closer to the top tube with a corresponding 
drop in bottom bracket height, which then brings saddle and handlebar heights 
closer to equal - before even looking for other tricks like extended head tubes 
or tall stems.

2) the riders of most of the bikes you're looking at probably dont sweat the 
standover clearance (they're not "crotch-worriers" as riv terms it).  It is 
likely much more minimal than you're used to.

3)  most bikes fit better for people of average proportions, or  those with 
long limbs (inseam) and short torso. Someone with shorter legs, of an otherwise 
identical height on an otherwise identically sized bike, might actually prefer 
the top tube to slope down from the headtube connection, and have more seatpost.

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Re: [RBW] Question about stand over and head tube

[Joe Bernard]

Lee, if you're getting a lot of seatpost and stem showing, but little standover 
clearance, you're probably on a frame with a high bottom bracket and 700C 
wheels. For an extreme example of this you can search stuff about the Pashley 
Guv'nor. That bike is based on an ancient path racer design with a bottom 
bracket almost level with the rear dropouts, and when properly sized has no or 
even negative standover clearance. 

I hope our answers have helped a little bit. There's quite a few variables 
involved, which is why folks like Grant work so hard to sort them out. 

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[RBW] FS: 64cm Quickbeam F/F/ HS/BB/ wheels

[Michael Williams]

Hey group,  up for sale is an 64cm Orange Quickbeam.  Includes headset/ bottom 
bracket/ wheels. I have some stems/ seatpost I could throw on.   Additionally,  
I have a White Industries DOS freewheel (17/19).   I bought it used,  and the 
decals had been removed and I just left it like that.  You might be able to get 
some decals from Riv.   Its in good shape one super tiny ding that has been 
there since I bought it,  does not affect the bike one bit.   Asking $750 for 
frame/ fork/ headset/ bottom bracket/ wheels.  Plus packing and shipping.  We 
can work out a deal if youre interested in other parts.   If interested,  
please send me a message.  Thanks!   -Mike

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Re: [RBW] Question about stand over and head tube

[Lee Legrand]

I am asking how frame builders are designing bicycle that look the way they
do, without sloping top tubes.  My mind says it is not possible without a
high top tube, yet bicycle frame builders are designing frames that look
like the Herse you have in this email.  Part of the reason I am thinking
like this is that I have a old bicycle with a pretty flat top tube or looks
like there is no slope in it at all, yet the bicycle requires a dirt drop
to get the handlebar high enough.  The top tube is high so there isn't room
while standing over it.  Its weird in my mind but I do have alot of seat
post and stem to get me up there.  More than what is shown in the pictures
you have Patrick.

On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 2:20 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> My 51cm Appaloosa has 6 degrees of rise to the headtube, then the headtube
> juts up an inch over that, plus the steerer adds another inch. So I get a
> couple inches of standover in front of the saddle, but don't need a tall
> stem because so much height has been added to the frame up front.
>
> The front height can be duplicated for me with a mostly level toptube, but
> would require a 53 or 54cm seattube, robbing standover clearance. In the
> olden days this was a common setup..folks didn't concern themselves much
> with standover, they just rode big frames with slammed seatposts and stems.
>
> Joe "not a frame designer" Bernard
> Vallejo, CA.
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[RBW] Re: What is the most interesting thing in you parts bin?

[Joe Bernard]

The Rosco Bubbe frames have horizontal dropouts. Put that coaster on one!

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[RBW] Re: What is the most interesting thing in you parts bin?

[Jim M.]

I've got this sitting around waiting for Riv to do a coaster brake frame:




 


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Re: [RBW] ATTENTION NY RIV'S

[Alan Lavine]

I can do Wed evening…Brad?

> On Jan 15, 2017, at 11:01 AM, Michael Morrissey  
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[RBW] Re: Question about stand over and head tube

[Garth]

It's just a matter of choice of the builder, the seller, and the buyer .  
But why do we choose what we choose ?   Pick a story, any story after 
all . . .  it's just a story :) 



On Sunday, January 15, 2017 at 11:33:48 AM UTC-5, Lee Legrand wrote:
>
> This is a question towards people who are involved in frame design but 
> anyone can respond.  I have been thinking about this but it has been more 
> academic than of practical use.   I have looked at bicycles on Flickr of 
> MAP, Rene Herse, Grand Bois, Rivendell, Mariposa and others but I have 
> always thought how can these frames have such headtube lengths with stand 
> over of the top tube that fits the rider. It would seem that most bicycle 
> should have a slight, slant towards the head tube from the seat tube to 
> give stand over clearance while feet on the ground but my mind keeps saying 
> that the stem should be much longer that what is shown in these picture.  
> You can only go so high on the top tube due to stand over and to get any 
> adjustment for handlebar, it has to be mostly stem if you are somewhat of a 
> average size person but the stem on these bicycle are not long at all.  In 
> fact, they look sensibly and lend towards the aesthetics of the bicycle.  
> Can anyone explain that?
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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 cm Sam Hillborne

[Tom Goodmann]

On Sunday, January 15, 2017 at 2:31:11 PM UTC-5, Tom Goodmann wrote:
>
> A 56 Sam in excellent condition, ridden without beausage: really, not a 
> mark on it.  Standard Riv build with Albatross bars, Silver bar-end 
> shifters, Misha's cork grips. $1500 plus shipping for complete bike, sold 
> with fenders (never mounted), sans the Brooks and the MKS pedals; $800 for 
> f/f/hs/bb.  Photos here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/132838700@N02/? 
>  Please PM, per list policies; thanks. Tom in Miami
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[RBW] Re: FS: 56 cm Sam Hillborne

[Tom Goodmann]

BTW, double TT, as evident in the photos, and a size no longer offered for 
this model.

On Sunday, January 15, 2017 at 2:31:11 PM UTC-5, Thom Goodmann wrote:
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> A 56 Sam in excellent condition, ridden without beausage: really, not a 
> mark on it.  Standard Riv build with Albatross bars, Silver bar-end 
> shifters, Misha's cork grips. $1500 plus shipping for complete bike, sold 
> with fenders (never mounted), sans the Brooks and the MKS pedals; $800 for 
> f/f/hs/bb.  Photos here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/132838700@N02/? 
>  Please PM, per list policies; thanks. Tom in Miami
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[RBW] FS: 56 cm Sam Hillborne

[Thom Goodmann]

A 56 Sam in excellent condition, ridden without beausage: really, not a 
mark on it.  Standard Riv build with Albatross bars, Silver bar-end 
shifters, Misha's cork grips. $1500 plus shipping for complete bike, sold 
with fenders (never mounted), sans the Brooks and the MKS pedals; $800 for 
f/f/hs/bb.  Photos here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/132838700@N02/? 
 Please PM, per list policies; thanks. Tom in Miami

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[RBW] Question about stand over and head tube

[Joe Bernard]

My 51cm Appaloosa has 6 degrees of rise to the headtube, then the headtube juts 
up an inch over that, plus the steerer adds another inch. So I get a couple 
inches of standover in front of the saddle, but don't need a tall stem because 
so much height has been added to the frame up front. 

The front height can be duplicated for me with a mostly level toptube, but 
would require a 53 or 54cm seattube, robbing standover clearance. In the olden 
days this was a common setup..folks didn't concern themselves much with 
standover, they just rode big frames with slammed seatposts and stems. 

Joe "not a frame designer" Bernard
Vallejo, CA. 

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Re: [RBW] My Cantis cant get no respect.

[John Bokman]

Curious if you've tried the VO Zeste Cantis on another bike? They look like 
well designed brakes.

On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 9:03:13 PM UTC-8, Ash A wrote:
>
> Wish I had known about these before I got VO Zeste Cantis for the 
> Appaloosa I'm going to build soon.  Given the tire clearance (I had to see 
> A picture of it mounted on an MTB to fully get the idea) and fraction of 
> the price, they were worth trying even if it meant giving them away 
> later for whatever reason.   
>
> I have V-brakes on a Gary Fisher Marlin that I have owned since 2007.  I'm 
> pretty certain I'm not technical enough, but I've never felt modulation 
> issue in 2000 or so miles I've ridden it. 
>
> Having said that, I do think Cantis look way more pleasing on Riv style 
> bikes.  
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2017, George Schick  > wrote:
>
>> If I'm not mistaken, those are Tektro 857AL brakes.  They have the extra 
>> long 110mm arms for fender clearance.  I bought one a few years ago for my 
>> Surly 1x1 that has wheels with 60mm Big Apple tires covered by SKS P65 MTB 
>> fenders.  They just clear the fenders with a couple of mm's to spare.
>>
>> On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 7:56:26 PM UTC-6, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, can't find a model # on them. For a little while Riv sold a V-brake, 
>>> but I don't see them on the website currently. I would think if you call 
>>> Rivendell and ask what model was used on the first gen Clem completes 
>>> somebody will know.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 4:18:07 PM UTC-5, Ash A wrote:

 Hi Mark,

 Those V-brakes look quite good!  Any idea what Tektro model is it?

 Thanks,

 -Ash

 On Wednesday, 11 January 2017 18:36:04 UTC-8, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> I think this came up not long ago on the iBoB list. Not all V brakes 
> are created equally when it comes to clearance. I found a helpful list on 
> gravelbike:
>
> http://www.gravelbike.com/v-brake-arm-lengths/
>
> The stock Tektros on my Clementine cleared a 2 inch tire with fender 
> no problem.
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 11, 2017 at 7:17:20 AM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>> Different experiences, Steve. I've used V brakes since the Shimano 
>> introduced them in '96, and I have zero complaints for their modulation. 
>> I 
>> will admit they can make fenders over big tires challenging.
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Steve Palincsar  
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/10/2017 07:13 PM, Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 I'll say, V brakes are the ones that don't seem to get any respect. 
 Cantis still have some cool factor from the 'cross crowd, but V brake 
 seem 
 mostly relegated to cheap hybrids. But if you look at power, cost, 
 weight, 
 modulation, and set up ease, I think V's would at least get a podium 
 finish 
 in every category.



>>> A prize for modulation?  They give prizes for not having any?  In my 
>>> - admittedly limited - experience, V brakes have all the modulation of 
>>> an 
>>> electric light switch and all the simplicity of the binary numbering 
>>> system: ON and OFF with nothing in between.  Then, there's butt ugly, 
>>> incompatible with standard brake levers and integrated brake/shift 
>>> levers 
>>> and interference with fenders to add to their "charms."
>>>
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[RBW] Question about stand over and head tube

[Lee Legrand]

This is a question towards people who are involved in frame design but
anyone can respond.  I have been thinking about this but it has been more
academic than of practical use.   I have looked at bicycles on Flickr of
MAP, Rene Herse, Grand Bois, Rivendell, Mariposa and others but I have
always thought how can these frames have such headtube lengths with stand
over of the top tube that fits the rider. It would seem that most bicycle
should have a slight, slant towards the head tube from the seat tube to
give stand over clearance while feet on the ground but my mind keeps saying
that the stem should be much longer that what is shown in these picture.
You can only go so high on the top tube due to stand over and to get any
adjustment for handlebar, it has to be mostly stem if you are somewhat of a
average size person but the stem on these bicycle are not long at all.  In
fact, they look sensibly and lend towards the aesthetics of the bicycle.
Can anyone explain that?

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[RBW] ATTENTION NY RIV'S

[Michael Morrissey]

I'd love to! But, I can't make Tuesday! Another time?

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[RBW] Re: FS: Joe App 55cm Butternut New In Box!

[Surlyprof]

Nash,

If you were interested in a 55 Appaloosa in butternut, this one has been on the 
sf bay area CL for a while: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/bik/5951595069.html
No connection to me (just a consistent temptation).

John

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[RBW] Hunq-ish Romanceur build with Riv Bullmoose bars

[Zach Duval]

This will be my first time using disc brakes. Have you used the TRPs before? I 
have been leaning toward Klampers, as they'very got reviews for solid stopping 
power and the materials seem better for longevity.

What's the fundamental difference between centerlock and 6 bolt?

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[RBW] FS: Sackville SlickerSack for Nitto Platrack - Excellent (barely used) Condition

[Jared Volpe]

I'd love to move this bag. Dropping price to 150. 

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Re: [RBW] My Cantis cant get no respect.

[BenG]

I like cantis. They look interesting, and it's fun using something that I can 
see operate. XT cantis on my MB-1 perform fine on steep and fast descents at 
Brown County State Park here in Indiana. Putting a Fred Flintstone foot down 
could suffice for all my other rides, in comparison.

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[RBW] WTB/T -For Large Rosco Mixte

[Kai Vierstra]

And once Ryan gets his I'd like to be next in line. I've got a 68 Quickbeam, a 
65 Clem, and any nonvital organ you might need/want. 
-Kai Vierstra 
Brooklyn NY 

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Re: [RBW] A nice morning for a ride

[Daniel Betancourt]

Nice! Looks like you had a fun time. I like the color of that bike. 

What is entailed with the brevet series ride(s)? How far do you go and is 
it with a large group or do you ride solo or with a small group of friends?

I haven't gone on any group rides yet and just ride solo or with the wife. 
I have looked up a number of Facebook & Meetup groups in the area but still 
haven't gone on that type ride yet.

Dan

On Sunday, January 15, 2017 at 5:52:16 AM UTC-5, Fullylugged wrote:
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> It was lovely in central AL too. After a church men's group breakfast, I 
> helped a dad render his big box store purchased Huffy rideable for the 
> birthday boy son. Then met friends for some rural hilly miles. With a nice 
> brevet series on tap this year, the old legs need some training!
>
> Here's my Rambouillet dragging me up a hill. 
>
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> https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNywaVVwXCqMrT0LSWbSe2TiL27cyVYMYZNQu048F1Z6q5V2hjFN4yZMOZValzHFg/photo/AF1QipNPXfH9lh6Pz9xVfMKGI0dK0OqBZfR5StbLhjdn?key=aDExOHd0NkFqTFB0N0N0UEQ4LUYyU1BLMkdWcmJB
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Re: [RBW] A nice morning for a ride

[Fullylugged]

It was lovely in central AL too. After a church men's group breakfast, I helped 
a dad render his big box store purchased Huffy rideable for the birthday boy 
son. Then met friends for some rural hilly miles. With a nice brevet series on 
tap this year, the old legs need some training!

Here's my Rambouillet dragging me up a hill. 

https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipNywaVVwXCqMrT0LSWbSe2TiL27cyVYMYZNQu048F1Z6q5V2hjFN4yZMOZValzHFg/photo/AF1QipNPXfH9lh6Pz9xVfMKGI0dK0OqBZfR5StbLhjdn?key=aDExOHd0NkFqTFB0N0N0UEQ4LUYyU1BLMkdWcmJB
  

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Re: [RBW] A nice morning for a ride

[Daniel Betancourt]

Thanks. I've also got to thank my Riv enabler friend Les who turned me on 
to these style bikes to begin with.  

On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 11:41:47 PM UTC-5, Ash A wrote:
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> Looks like a nice place and nice weather down there Daniel !
>
> Your Sam setup looks fantastic.  
>
> My sentiments are with you regarding riding position.  Every time I ride a 
> bike with aggressive handlebar setup, afterwards I end up wondering what 
> did I gain . 
>
> It is unergonomic (potential damage to c-spine) and feels totally 
> uncomfortable.  I don't get to fully enjoy the scenic aspect of the scenic 
> ride.   
>
> Good luck for your century!
>
>
> On Saturday, January 14, 2017, Daniel Betancourt  > wrote:
>
>> Thanks. Yes, the sunshine state shines in the winter :)
>>
>> On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 5:28:35 PM UTC-5, islaysteve wrote:
>>>
>>> Nice ride.  You know you're making most of us in the rest of the country 
>>> envious.  Can't complain too much here, though, just a bit rainy in 
>>>  Maryland.  Reminds me of the training schedule I followed for my first 
>>> centuries.  Good luck, Steve
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 14, 2017 at 2:37:55 PM UTC-5, Daniel Betancourt 
>>> wrote:

 I'm on my second week of training for a century ride and today I was 
 supposed to go 35 miles (see training chart below). I normally go around 
 10-20 miles per ride and haven't biked past 25 miles since September so I 
 was looking forward to both going longer distances and seeing how the bike 
 rode and how I felt afterward. 

 WEEK DATE RANGE SUN
 RECOVERY MON
 REST TUE
 INTERVAL WED
 REST THU
 INTERVAL FRI
 REST SAT
 ENDURANCE 
 1 Jan 1-7 10 Off 10 Off 10 Off 28 
 2 Jan 8-14 10 Off 10 Off 10 Off 35 
 3 Jan 15-21 10 Off 15 Off 15 Off 42 
 4 Jan 22-28 10 Off 15 Off 15 Off 49 
 5 Jan 29-Feb 4 10 Off 20 Off 20 Off 56 
 6 Feb 5-11 10 Off 20 Off 20 Off 63 
 7 Feb 12-18 10 Off 25 Off 25 Off 70 
 8 Feb 19-25 10 Off 10 Off 10 Off 100


 I first rode through downtown Oviedo which like Key West is known for 
 their roaming chickens and had to take a pic.


 



 There is a short offroad section which mud and rocks that I hate riding 
 over with my road bike (see pic below). The Sam handled it with no issues. 
 That is a big plus for me.



 





 I averaged 13.2 mph over the ride and was generally pleased with the 
 performance and lack of my back and wrists getting sore when riding my 
 road 
 bike.



 




 My legs are sore from the ride but that is to be expected. I'm still 
 getting used to the saddle and haven't ridden that distance in some time 
 so 
 I'm a bit saddle sore. Another explanation is that the saddle still isn't 
 broke in yet. One nice thing I was able to do was to change my riding 
 stance to sitting straighter up which altered the pressure on the saddle 
 more on my pubic bones and less on my groin. I don't have that option on 
 my 
 road bike. 


 So far I'm loving this new bike! I'm having a Nitto R14 rear rack 
 installed on the bike today and looking forward to going out on a group 
 social ride around downtown Winter Park tomorrow with the wife. That 
 should 
 be a lot of fun. 


 Dan




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