[RBW] Re: Car Bike Rack

[Joe Bernard]

"It was kind of a mess but my outfit was cute, so there's that."

Leah, I love your writing ;-)

Joe Bernard

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Re: [RBW] Re: book of possible interest to Rivendell riders

[Grant Petersen]

nine years ago my then 13-year old daughter learned how and showed me how
to make a true quill pen from a thick-stemmed feather. Shape the head right
(see fountain pen) and dip it, and it holds it and doesn't leak. I'm sure
you can get goose or tukey feathers online...

On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:30 PM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> Get the Safari and if you end up using the fountain pen all of the time,
> then consider upgrading in the future.  My favorite blue ink is Waterman
> serenity blue.  My friend's favorite blue ink is Waterman Mysterious
> blue--a bit darker blue--bit of teal hue.  My favorite black ink is  J
> Herbin Perle Noire.  Both inks are available on Amazon and affordable.
>
> Enjoy,
> Toshi
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Toshi: for a ordinary bloke who just wants a pen that feels nice when he
>> writes: is the Lamy 2000 worth the $100 premium over the price of the
>> Safari?
>>
>> Also: what kind of ink do you fountain pen mavens recommend? (Has to be
>> available in your local Office Depot or on Amazon.)
>>
>> History: For 18 months, 6th and 7th forms, I went to St Joseph's, a
>> Jesuit prep in Bangalore, where we copied teachers' dictation into cheap
>> notebooks and regurgitated it on tests. The only writing instrument was the
>> fountain pen, and all the boys used the cheapest ones possible, basically
>> hollow plastic tubes that unscrewed in the middle, with nibs. You unscrewed
>> the tube, filled the big end with a dropper, and screwed it back together,
>> whereupon the ink would leak from nib and body, and you'd wipe your hand on
>> the whitewashed wall or on your trousers. I may have introduced space age
>> American tech with cheap ball point pens. And the priests used 2' long
>> lengths of slender bamboo as persuaders, though I as the sole American got
>> by with frowns and finger waggings.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>>
>>> I qualify as a fountain pen geek and agree that the Lamy Safari is a
>>> fine pen. My favorite is the Lamy 2000. It writes as well as any pen can
>>> write, and it's discreet because the nib is hooded so it doesn't attract
>>> attention.
>>>
>>> Japanese make wonderful fountain pens too. Pilot pens are my favorites.
>>> For 10 bucks you get a great pen: the Pilot Kakuno. It's a kid's pen but
>>> writes great. For a similar price the Metropolitan looks great but the ink
>>> dries inside the cap too quickly for my taste.
>>>
>>> TWSBI is a Taiwanese maker with great pens at a great price.  The pens
>>> write as well as any steel nibs write and the ink filling mechanism has a
>>> high end construction. The 580 or 700 would be my choice around 70 bucks.
>>>
>>> Gold nibs are gonna send you over $100 and the aforementioned Lamy 2000
>>> or Pilot Custom Heritage 92 would be my choice.
>>>
>>> Writing is wonderful!
>>>
>>> Toshi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 10:17 AM Grant @ Rivendell 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm no fountain pen fanatic, but I know two who are, and they're also
 bike and camera people, so I know it must be dangerous. I have a Waterman
 something-or-other that my mother-in-law gave to me several years ago, and
 since then I've bought three Lamy pens, which are cheap enough--$35 to $45,
 depending on plastic or aluminum--to be sold on those. I may be verifiably
 technically wrong on this next point (and maybe somebody's already said
 it-- I don't know if Lamy pens are a big deal here or not, but I read
 Patrick's mention, so jumped in)--yes, but the thing about fountain pens is
 they seem to have a wider range of writable angles than ball-points, and
 write better at low angles than gel pens. For the unimportant record, I
 love all stationery stuffsand it's been decades since I've bought a pen
 or pencil out of need, but I buy lots of them and use them, because they're
 all so fun, and it's nice to think of businesses dedicated to these
 soon-to-be ancient tools.  I sign about 30 books a month (before they get
 stocked), and I discovered the low-angle abilities of fountain pens that
 way. But then I blow on the ink to make it dry faster. There is that...

 Grant "gimme a Lamy & I'm happy" Petersen


 On Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 6:21:57 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Addison: speaking of fountain pens. I'm certainly no collector, but I
 like fountain pens because they're the only writing instrument that allows
 me to write clearly (sort of; my handwriting is very bad) without my hand
 cramping, or else, without the point sliding all over the paper. The
 "glide" and the resistance are in just the right mix.

 But my experience, except for brief ownership of a Parker 51 which my
 daughter dropped nib first on a tile floor, has been with cheap fountain
 pens.

 This is 

[RBW] Re: Will the Ocean Air Cycles Erlen Bag Support work w/ my Nitto seat post?

[scott minor]

Hi John, 

I really like the Erlen, the design couldn't be more boiled down, and it's 
super solid.  I have an Ocean Air Rambler as well (that I love) so perhaps 
I'm predisposed to find favor in the stuff Rob is putting out there.   
-scott 


On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 9:10:12 PM UTC-4, John wrote:
>
> Hi Scott, thanks for the measurement. It looks like I need a minimum 46mm 
> for the Erlen  to work.
>
> I emailed Ocean Air Cycles and they said they are working on a revised 
> version which will fit the Nitto S-83 seat post.
>
> How do you like using the Erlen so far?
>
> Thanks again,
>
> John 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

I commute with a Carradice Super C which I chose over the various longflaps 
because of the easy opening clips. I've used various supports and racks over 
the years. This is a great setup for me and I have no reason to charnge it. 
Having said that, if I were starting over today I'd probably choose either a 
large or medium saddlesack. They are all really good bags. You can't really go 
wrong with any of them.

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Re: [RBW] Re: book of possible interest to Rivendell riders

[Addison Wilhite]

I have that Serenity Blue.  Love it!   I'm a big fan of the iroshizuku
Yama-Budo ink.


Addison Wilhite, M.A.

Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 

*“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*

Educator: Professional Portfolio 

Blogger: Reno Rambler 




On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 9:30 PM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> Get the Safari and if you end up using the fountain pen all of the time,
> then consider upgrading in the future.  My favorite blue ink is Waterman
> serenity blue.  My friend's favorite blue ink is Waterman Mysterious
> blue--a bit darker blue--bit of teal hue.  My favorite black ink is  J
> Herbin Perle Noire.  Both inks are available on Amazon and affordable.
>
> Enjoy,
> Toshi
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Toshi: for a ordinary bloke who just wants a pen that feels nice when he
>> writes: is the Lamy 2000 worth the $100 premium over the price of the
>> Safari?
>>
>> Also: what kind of ink do you fountain pen mavens recommend? (Has to be
>> available in your local Office Depot or on Amazon.)
>>
>> History: For 18 months, 6th and 7th forms, I went to St Joseph's, a
>> Jesuit prep in Bangalore, where we copied teachers' dictation into cheap
>> notebooks and regurgitated it on tests. The only writing instrument was the
>> fountain pen, and all the boys used the cheapest ones possible, basically
>> hollow plastic tubes that unscrewed in the middle, with nibs. You unscrewed
>> the tube, filled the big end with a dropper, and screwed it back together,
>> whereupon the ink would leak from nib and body, and you'd wipe your hand on
>> the whitewashed wall or on your trousers. I may have introduced space age
>> American tech with cheap ball point pens. And the priests used 2' long
>> lengths of slender bamboo as persuaders, though I as the sole American got
>> by with frowns and finger waggings.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>>
>>> I qualify as a fountain pen geek and agree that the Lamy Safari is a
>>> fine pen. My favorite is the Lamy 2000. It writes as well as any pen can
>>> write, and it's discreet because the nib is hooded so it doesn't attract
>>> attention.
>>>
>>> Japanese make wonderful fountain pens too. Pilot pens are my favorites.
>>> For 10 bucks you get a great pen: the Pilot Kakuno. It's a kid's pen but
>>> writes great. For a similar price the Metropolitan looks great but the ink
>>> dries inside the cap too quickly for my taste.
>>>
>>> TWSBI is a Taiwanese maker with great pens at a great price.  The pens
>>> write as well as any steel nibs write and the ink filling mechanism has a
>>> high end construction. The 580 or 700 would be my choice around 70 bucks.
>>>
>>> Gold nibs are gonna send you over $100 and the aforementioned Lamy 2000
>>> or Pilot Custom Heritage 92 would be my choice.
>>>
>>> Writing is wonderful!
>>>
>>> Toshi
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 10:17 AM Grant @ Rivendell 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I'm no fountain pen fanatic, but I know two who are, and they're also
 bike and camera people, so I know it must be dangerous. I have a Waterman
 something-or-other that my mother-in-law gave to me several years ago, and
 since then I've bought three Lamy pens, which are cheap enough--$35 to $45,
 depending on plastic or aluminum--to be sold on those. I may be verifiably
 technically wrong on this next point (and maybe somebody's already said
 it-- I don't know if Lamy pens are a big deal here or not, but I read
 Patrick's mention, so jumped in)--yes, but the thing about fountain pens is
 they seem to have a wider range of writable angles than ball-points, and
 write better at low angles than gel pens. For the unimportant record, I
 love all stationery stuffsand it's been decades since I've bought a pen
 or pencil out of need, but I buy lots of them and use them, because they're
 all so fun, and it's nice to think of businesses dedicated to these
 soon-to-be ancient tools.  I sign about 30 books a month (before they get
 stocked), and I discovered the low-angle abilities of fountain pens that
 way. But then I blow on the ink to make it dry faster. There is that...

 Grant "gimme a Lamy & I'm happy" Petersen


 On Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 6:21:57 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Addison: speaking of fountain pens. I'm certainly no collector, but I
 like fountain pens because they're the only writing instrument that allows
 me to write clearly (sort of; my handwriting is very bad) without my hand
 cramping, or else, without the point sliding all over the paper. The
 "glide" and the resistance are in just the right mix.

 But my experience, except for brief ownership of a Parker 51 which my

Re: [RBW] Re: book of possible interest to Rivendell riders

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Get the Safari and if you end up using the fountain pen all of the time,
then consider upgrading in the future.  My favorite blue ink is Waterman
serenity blue.  My friend's favorite blue ink is Waterman Mysterious
blue--a bit darker blue--bit of teal hue.  My favorite black ink is  J
Herbin Perle Noire.  Both inks are available on Amazon and affordable.

Enjoy,
Toshi


On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 2:23 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Toshi: for a ordinary bloke who just wants a pen that feels nice when he
> writes: is the Lamy 2000 worth the $100 premium over the price of the
> Safari?
>
> Also: what kind of ink do you fountain pen mavens recommend? (Has to be
> available in your local Office Depot or on Amazon.)
>
> History: For 18 months, 6th and 7th forms, I went to St Joseph's, a Jesuit
> prep in Bangalore, where we copied teachers' dictation into cheap notebooks
> and regurgitated it on tests. The only writing instrument was the fountain
> pen, and all the boys used the cheapest ones possible, basically hollow
> plastic tubes that unscrewed in the middle, with nibs. You unscrewed the
> tube, filled the big end with a dropper, and screwed it back together,
> whereupon the ink would leak from nib and body, and you'd wipe your hand on
> the whitewashed wall or on your trousers. I may have introduced space age
> American tech with cheap ball point pens. And the priests used 2' long
> lengths of slender bamboo as persuaders, though I as the sole American got
> by with frowns and finger waggings.
>
> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>
>> I qualify as a fountain pen geek and agree that the Lamy Safari is a fine
>> pen. My favorite is the Lamy 2000. It writes as well as any pen can write,
>> and it's discreet because the nib is hooded so it doesn't attract
>> attention.
>>
>> Japanese make wonderful fountain pens too. Pilot pens are my favorites.
>> For 10 bucks you get a great pen: the Pilot Kakuno. It's a kid's pen but
>> writes great. For a similar price the Metropolitan looks great but the ink
>> dries inside the cap too quickly for my taste.
>>
>> TWSBI is a Taiwanese maker with great pens at a great price.  The pens
>> write as well as any steel nibs write and the ink filling mechanism has a
>> high end construction. The 580 or 700 would be my choice around 70 bucks.
>>
>> Gold nibs are gonna send you over $100 and the aforementioned Lamy 2000
>> or Pilot Custom Heritage 92 would be my choice.
>>
>> Writing is wonderful!
>>
>> Toshi
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 10:17 AM Grant @ Rivendell 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm no fountain pen fanatic, but I know two who are, and they're also
>>> bike and camera people, so I know it must be dangerous. I have a Waterman
>>> something-or-other that my mother-in-law gave to me several years ago, and
>>> since then I've bought three Lamy pens, which are cheap enough--$35 to $45,
>>> depending on plastic or aluminum--to be sold on those. I may be verifiably
>>> technically wrong on this next point (and maybe somebody's already said
>>> it-- I don't know if Lamy pens are a big deal here or not, but I read
>>> Patrick's mention, so jumped in)--yes, but the thing about fountain pens is
>>> they seem to have a wider range of writable angles than ball-points, and
>>> write better at low angles than gel pens. For the unimportant record, I
>>> love all stationery stuffsand it's been decades since I've bought a pen
>>> or pencil out of need, but I buy lots of them and use them, because they're
>>> all so fun, and it's nice to think of businesses dedicated to these
>>> soon-to-be ancient tools.  I sign about 30 books a month (before they get
>>> stocked), and I discovered the low-angle abilities of fountain pens that
>>> way. But then I blow on the ink to make it dry faster. There is that...
>>>
>>> Grant "gimme a Lamy & I'm happy" Petersen
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 6:21:57 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Addison: speaking of fountain pens. I'm certainly no collector, but I
>>> like fountain pens because they're the only writing instrument that allows
>>> me to write clearly (sort of; my handwriting is very bad) without my hand
>>> cramping, or else, without the point sliding all over the paper. The
>>> "glide" and the resistance are in just the right mix.
>>>
>>> But my experience, except for brief ownership of a Parker 51 which my
>>> daughter dropped nib first on a tile floor, has been with cheap fountain
>>> pens.
>>>
>>> This is what I have: https://www.amazon.com/L
>>> amy-Safari-Fountain-Pen-Charcoal/dp/B0002T401Y/ref=zg_bs_
>>> 1085704_4/160-5052302-7745938?_encoding=UTF8=1=
>>> G7K36TEM9SN2BXAFK1JN
>>>
>>> In my limited experience, this writes very well. But in the cheap
>>> category (say, under $100,) can I do better? How will a cheap but better
>>> pen write compared to this? And if I have to pay more than $100 to get
>>> noticeably superior writing qualities, 

Re: [RBW] Headset replacement to start - or just wait...

[Sky Coulter]

Cheers Bob. I'll definitely post about my experience, whether as cautionary 
tale or triumphant explorer.

Sky in new west

On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 7:44:02 PM UTC-7, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> Very much agreed, at least in my searches...  The silver aspect makes it, 
> for whatever reason, pretty rare in that size and length.  My Appaloosa 
> will be a 58 and so it should fit me (89 pbh), I assume, as expected. 
>  Whatever post is included will probably work fine.  That said, I still 
> like to have choices.  There are options in black and there is silver in 
> the Thomson's, but only for posts with no setback at least as far as I can 
> tell.  There are the standard Kalloy's and others too.  Still, it does not 
> seem like it should be that hard in today's world.
>
> Anyway, congrats on the new bike/frame!  I admit to being intrigued by 
> your plan to create a rough stuff, drop bar bike.  Correct me if I am wrong 
> on that.  I know the numbers seemed to work so I will be looking forward to 
> updates as you build it up.  I am something of an experimenter with bikes 
> so I admire the thought process you have gone through.
>
> Here's to bike adventures, the envisioning and the riding...
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 7:51:03 PM UTC-5, Sky Coulter wrote:
>>
>> Ya, Bob. I went for a 55cm appa frameset yesterday and since it'll be 
>> smaller than my normal bikes sizes, I'm going to need a longer seatpost. 
>> Looks like it's slim pickings for a silver seatpost 300mm and greater in 
>> 26.8
>>
>> Sky in new west
>>
>>

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Re: [Ext] [RBW] WTB: 61cm Atlantis

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

I have a 61cm Atlantis I'm thinking of selling as a complete bike. It's a 
beauty.

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>
> I'd also be interested if Micheal and Sky pass. Thanks!
>
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Re: [RBW] Headset replacement to start - or just wait...

[Bob Lovejoy]

Very much agreed, at least in my searches...  The silver aspect makes it, 
for whatever reason, pretty rare in that size and length.  My Appaloosa 
will be a 58 and so it should fit me (89 pbh), I assume, as expected. 
 Whatever post is included will probably work fine.  That said, I still 
like to have choices.  There are options in black and there is silver in 
the Thomson's, but only for posts with no setback at least as far as I can 
tell.  There are the standard Kalloy's and others too.  Still, it does not 
seem like it should be that hard in today's world.

Anyway, congrats on the new bike/frame!  I admit to being intrigued by your 
plan to create a rough stuff, drop bar bike.  Correct me if I am wrong on 
that.  I know the numbers seemed to work so I will be looking forward to 
updates as you build it up.  I am something of an experimenter with bikes 
so I admire the thought process you have gone through.

Here's to bike adventures, the envisioning and the riding...

Bob



On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 7:51:03 PM UTC-5, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> Ya, Bob. I went for a 55cm appa frameset yesterday and since it'll be 
> smaller than my normal bikes sizes, I'm going to need a longer seatpost. 
> Looks like it's slim pickings for a silver seatpost 300mm and greater in 
> 26.8
>
> Sky in new west
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Headset replacement to start - or just wait...

[Sky Coulter]

Ya, Bob. I went for a 55cm appa frameset yesterday and since it'll be
smaller than my normal bikes sizes, I'm going to need a longer seatpost.
Looks like it's slim pickings for a silver seatpost 300mm and greater in
26.8

Sky in new west

On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 5:25 PM, Bob Lovejoy  wrote:

> Sky,
>
> I do believe the frame comes with a seatpost, a 26.8 I believe.  I am
> curious to see what comes, mostly in what length is needed.  I have seen
> pictures of Appaloosa's with a normal (to me) amount of seatpost showing
> but also some with more.  I was just going to wait an see...
>
> That said, it does seem fairly hard to find good 26.8 seatposts, with some
> set-back and maybe 2-bolt adjustment.  Again though, it could be the
> included one will work just fine
>
> Bob
>
>
> On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 7:08:43 PM UTC-5, Sky Coulter wrote:
>>
>> In a similar vein, does the frameset come with a seatpost? If not, what
>> are people choosing?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Sky
>>
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Re: [RBW] Headset replacement to start - or just wait...

[Philip Kim]

Frameset includes fsa headset, tange bb, and 26.8 seat post.

I asked for headset only, put in a Thomson seat post and white industries 
bottom bracket I had laying around.

Just built mine up and man it rides well!

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[RBW] Re: Car Bike Rack

[Abcyclehank]

Leahfoy,
Whether they are more successful or not due to their stature is not really the 
point.  Prior to arrival you had no satisfactory bike rack for your sure to be 
memorable adventure on the Odyssey; now functional rack check, access to boys 
bikes check, safely protected tbbitew check, attitude that guarantees success 
TRIPLE CHECK.  For the record many a man would struggle as much with assembly 
and loading the rack as you; however very few would share as honestly as you 
have your inner most thought and reflections.

Sincerely,
Ryan Hankinson
West Michigan

Let's not even broach the question of the male race asking for directions 
somewhere.  Thank God women invented GPS.

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Re: [RBW] Headset replacement to start - or just wait...

[Bob Lovejoy]

Sky,

I do believe the frame comes with a seatpost, a 26.8 I believe.  I am 
curious to see what comes, mostly in what length is needed.  I have seen 
pictures of Appaloosa's with a normal (to me) amount of seatpost showing 
but also some with more.  I was just going to wait an see...

That said, it does seem fairly hard to find good 26.8 seatposts, with some 
set-back and maybe 2-bolt adjustment.  Again though, it could be the 
included one will work just fine

Bob


On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 7:08:43 PM UTC-5, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> In a similar vein, does the frameset come with a seatpost? If not, what 
> are people choosing? 
>
> Thanks, 
>
> Sky 
>
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[RBW] Re: Headset replacement to start - or just wait...

[Bob Lovejoy]

Thanks to all that replied on the headset question.  That is great news.  I 
figured Riv would spec something completely serviceable but I thought it 
worth asking.  That FSA headset looks just fine, I would say better than 
fine!

Bob


On Sunday, April 9, 2017 at 7:05:23 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> The FSA Riv sells is already on your frame. Mine works and looks great, I 
> would have to be seriously invested in blinging out my bike to replace it 
> now. Which is fine if that's what you're into, but you definitely don't 
> NEED a new headset. 

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Saddlesack Large or Medium?

[dstein]

I've had them both. The medium fits a ton and I prefer that for everyday 
use (commuting and bike camping (but I don't do a lot of heavy duty grocery 
getting or any errands like that). Nice thing is that even for an S240 you 
can get a lot in there and bulge it out for some extra room. All depends on 
what else you have for storage. I find a medium saddlesack with a front 
shopsack--or even better some low rider panniers (I use the har 
ones)--really balance out the weight, that way you're not too tempted to 
put too much in the large and overload it. My hunqapillar gets a lot of 
shimmy from overloading a rear saddlesack.

Or you can take my route which is to buy them both, find out which one you 
like, then sell the other one at a slight loss. I find Rivendell products 
hold a good amount of value especially if barely used. I now look at fancy 
bike and bike part purchases as a rental fee with a large deposit ;)

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Re: [RBW] Headset replacement to start - or just wait...

[Sky Coulter]

In a similar vein, does the frameset come with a seatpost? If not, what are 
people choosing?

Thanks,

Sky

> On Apr 9, 2017, at 5:05 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> The FSA Riv sells is already on your frame. Mine works and looks great, I 
> would have to be seriously invested in blinging out my bike to replace it 
> now. Which is fine if that's what you're into, but you definitely don't NEED 
> a new headset. 
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[RBW] Headset replacement to start - or just wait...

[Joe Bernard]

The FSA Riv sells is already on your frame. Mine works and looks great, I would 
have to be seriously invested in blinging out my bike to replace it now. Which 
is fine if that's what you're into, but you definitely don't NEED a new 
headset. 

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[RBW] Headset replacement to start - or just wait...

[scott]

It is a good headset. Replace when needed. I would have to walk all the way 
inside to check, but I think it is the fsa that riv sells, or something close. 
Likewise with the bb. If Riv specd it, its good.

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[RBW] Headset replacement to start - or just wait...

[Bob Lovejoy]

I have an Appaloosa frame coming (this week!) and am making the final parts 
piles and decisions...

Question - Are people who are getting frames only, any of the Taiwan frames 
that have included headsets and bottom brackets, upgrading the headset 
upfront - or is the included headset just fine, not to worry, a deal with 
an upgrade when that time comes kind of thing?

I am tempted to order either the FSA or the Tange/IRD roller headset that 
Riv sells and upgrade now, before heading into the build, but maybe that is 
not needed.  Or... maybe it is the perfect time for such things and would 
be a great idea.  I don't even know what comes with the frame so I am 
looking for people who have made those decisions on their frames/bikes. 
 Once built, it may be awhile before I am up to taking it apart so a good, 
sound foundation seems important.

Advice appreciated!

Bob 
Galesburg, IL  

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[RBW] Re: Car Bike Rack

[LeahFoy]

My Saris Freedom 4 Bike Rack arrived and I had some spare time today. There I 
was: socket wrenches, Allen keys, nuts, bolts, and steel bars. It was kind of a 
mess but my outfit was cute, so there's that. I got a new (to me) Honda 
Odyssey, and had the towing package installed for such a time as this. I've 
spent enough money by now that I am really hoping for success with this new 
rack.

This install would have gone more smoothly with help, but I needed to know 
exactly how this thing works - backwards, forwards and upside downwards - 
because when I drive across the country this summer with the kids, who's gonna 
help me THEN? Not my husband, because he is smart enough to catch a flight and 
let me do the hauling, that's what. But I am the carrier-outer of shoddy plans, 
so I'll make the drive and feel smug and superior for having tackled it.

Anyway, I should (and very well may) write a new thread detailing this rack, 
but for now let me say geez, that was hard work. Assembly - fine. The manual 
isn't great but the website gives great how-to videos, and using them together 
got me the desired result. Getting the bikes mounted? Good heavens what an 
ordeal. This thing is going to work, and that's the good news, but I'm not 
looking forward to using it. I'm 5' 6" and hoisting that 52 Clem H was really 
something. The rack is a decent height off the ground and the wheels trays 
weren't yet set correctly, and wow. Hard. Up next was the Bets, and with 
baskets and pedals it was a tight fit. I got her settled, and the frame clamps 
seem like they won't hurt the bikes' paint, and everything seemed secure. I got 
the boys' smaller bikes on more quickly and the whole rack tilts down for trunk 
access, even with the bikes loaded!

That's the mini update for now. I know some of your were also rack-hunting, so 
just wanted to pop in here and let you know the Saris is probably pretty good, 
since most of you are men and therefore bigger of frame and height than me. You 
will have less trouble, I think.

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Saddlesack Large or Medium?

[Kellie]

I had the same dilemma and went with the large because I wanted the room 
for bike packing without a front rack. It was huge when I first got it but 
now I'm use to it and I'm glad I went with the large. I can also do a bit 
or grocery shopping without worrying weird shaped stuff won't fit.

On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 7:19:12 AM UTC-7, Broccoli Cog wrote:
>
> I'm trying to decide which Sackville Saddlesack would be better for my 
> Sam. I now have a rear rack so either would work. I plan on using it for 
> commuting, running errands, and the occasional S24O. I have a Mark's rack 
> on the front with a Wald basket for some extra carrying space. My original 
> thought was to get the medium with the thought that it would be plenty big 
> enough for my needs. I am also leery about having this huge bag on my bike. 
>  That said, I don't want to make such a large investment and be kicking 
> myself that I didn't get the bigger bag. Would appreciate any advice you 
> could share. 
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[RBW] FS: Rolly Poly 700C Tires

[Johnny Alien]

I just picked up a Roadeo off of the forums here and they came with Rolly 
Poly's which are super nice but my favorite tires are the Gravel Kings so 
those are going on and these are coming off.  This was apparently a demo 
Roadeo at Rivendell and I am not sure if the previous owner used these 
tires or not but they look brand new to me.  I believe the only miles would 
be whatever miles got put on them as a demo bike.  *$70 shipped for the two 
of them together.*

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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Patrick Moore]

Austin: I've read good reviews of the Smoothie, particularly for its supple
tubing. How would you compare it in agility, "speed", and comfort to the
RB-1, which is another sort-of classic I've kept my eyes on?

On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 6:07 AM, Austin B  wrote:

> N=3 bikes and I'd need to do some negotiating to have my marriage sustain
> a 4th.
>
> *2016 Sam Hillborne *(big blue 62cm with 2TT) - set up with Compass Bon
> Jon Pass for mostly road and occasional off-road day touring. Currently
> running Noodles but seriously giving thought to converting to an Albastache
> setup. And I'm looking for a decent, cheap rack to hold my panniers. This
> bike will be left to one of my two kids in my will (I'm in my 40's and
> don't expect this to happen for several decades BTW)
> *1989 Bridgestone RB-1 -* my speedy retro go-fast "modernized" with bar
> end shifters. This bike is fun and nimble. Will be left to my other kid who
> doesn't get the Hillborne in my will.
> *Soma Smoothie ES -* modern STI drivetrain road setup with wider tires
> than the RB-1 as my lightweight comfort road bike. This bike hasn't seen
> the road in 2017. I'd transfer the ES components in a second to a 63cm
> Roadeo (or maybe the coming Roadini).
>
> Bob K--I live in Carroll County. Where around Baltimore do you take your
> HIllborne for forest roads & single track?
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[RBW] Sackville Saddlesack Large or Medium?

[RichS]

The medium Sackville works well for me. I like that it has d-rings to lash more 
stuff on top. But I have additional capacity up front with a Wald medium 
basket, Shopsack bag and BrandV bar sack. 

Regards,
Richard

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Re: [RBW] Re: book of possible interest to Rivendell riders

[Patrick Moore]

Toshi: for a ordinary bloke who just wants a pen that feels nice when he
writes: is the Lamy 2000 worth the $100 premium over the price of the
Safari?

Also: what kind of ink do you fountain pen mavens recommend? (Has to be
available in your local Office Depot or on Amazon.)

History: For 18 months, 6th and 7th forms, I went to St Joseph's, a Jesuit
prep in Bangalore, where we copied teachers' dictation into cheap notebooks
and regurgitated it on tests. The only writing instrument was the fountain
pen, and all the boys used the cheapest ones possible, basically hollow
plastic tubes that unscrewed in the middle, with nibs. You unscrewed the
tube, filled the big end with a dropper, and screwed it back together,
whereupon the ink would leak from nib and body, and you'd wipe your hand on
the whitewashed wall or on your trousers. I may have introduced space age
American tech with cheap ball point pens. And the priests used 2' long
lengths of slender bamboo as persuaders, though I as the sole American got
by with frowns and finger waggings.

On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 12:51 PM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> I qualify as a fountain pen geek and agree that the Lamy Safari is a fine
> pen. My favorite is the Lamy 2000. It writes as well as any pen can write,
> and it's discreet because the nib is hooded so it doesn't attract
> attention.
>
> Japanese make wonderful fountain pens too. Pilot pens are my favorites.
> For 10 bucks you get a great pen: the Pilot Kakuno. It's a kid's pen but
> writes great. For a similar price the Metropolitan looks great but the ink
> dries inside the cap too quickly for my taste.
>
> TWSBI is a Taiwanese maker with great pens at a great price.  The pens
> write as well as any steel nibs write and the ink filling mechanism has a
> high end construction. The 580 or 700 would be my choice around 70 bucks.
>
> Gold nibs are gonna send you over $100 and the aforementioned Lamy 2000 or
> Pilot Custom Heritage 92 would be my choice.
>
> Writing is wonderful!
>
> Toshi
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 10:17 AM Grant @ Rivendell 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm no fountain pen fanatic, but I know two who are, and they're also
>> bike and camera people, so I know it must be dangerous. I have a Waterman
>> something-or-other that my mother-in-law gave to me several years ago, and
>> since then I've bought three Lamy pens, which are cheap enough--$35 to $45,
>> depending on plastic or aluminum--to be sold on those. I may be verifiably
>> technically wrong on this next point (and maybe somebody's already said
>> it-- I don't know if Lamy pens are a big deal here or not, but I read
>> Patrick's mention, so jumped in)--yes, but the thing about fountain pens is
>> they seem to have a wider range of writable angles than ball-points, and
>> write better at low angles than gel pens. For the unimportant record, I
>> love all stationery stuffsand it's been decades since I've bought a pen
>> or pencil out of need, but I buy lots of them and use them, because they're
>> all so fun, and it's nice to think of businesses dedicated to these
>> soon-to-be ancient tools.  I sign about 30 books a month (before they get
>> stocked), and I discovered the low-angle abilities of fountain pens that
>> way. But then I blow on the ink to make it dry faster. There is that...
>>
>> Grant "gimme a Lamy & I'm happy" Petersen
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 6:21:57 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Addison: speaking of fountain pens. I'm certainly no collector, but I
>> like fountain pens because they're the only writing instrument that allows
>> me to write clearly (sort of; my handwriting is very bad) without my hand
>> cramping, or else, without the point sliding all over the paper. The
>> "glide" and the resistance are in just the right mix.
>>
>> But my experience, except for brief ownership of a Parker 51 which my
>> daughter dropped nib first on a tile floor, has been with cheap fountain
>> pens.
>>
>> This is what I have: https://www.amazon.com/Lamy-Safari-Fountain-Pen-
>> Charcoal/dp/B0002T401Y/ref=zg_bs_1085704_4/160-5052302-
>> 7745938?_encoding=UTF8=1=G7K36TEM9SN2BXAFK1JN
>>
>> In my limited experience, this writes very well. But in the cheap
>> category (say, under $100,) can I do better? How will a cheap but better
>> pen write compared to this? And if I have to pay more than $100 to get
>> noticeably superior writing qualities, how much more?
>>
>> Thanks, Patrick
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Addison Wilhite 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Just thought I'd chime in on the book.  I also just picked it up and have
>> only just finished the vinyl section.  I'm also an audiophile migrating
>> back towards vinyl and really enjoying the tactile experience and the
>> different way I listen to music.
>>
>> I am hoping the book digs deeper into some of the reasons why as humans
>> we tend to find these analog experiences more rewarding.  I've also
>> recently been bitten 

[RBW] WTB: Sackville Hub Area Bars, Grey

[Bustini]

I'm looking for a pair of these grey beauties!

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[RBW] FS: 62cm centerpull Saluki

[Rob]

I'm selling my 62cm center pull Saluki. 

https://flic.kr/s/aHskoeejxJ

Frame: 62cm Rivendell Saluki (butterscotch)
Wheels: Hand built by G Cycles.
Rims: 650B 32H front, 36H rear Compass Cycles Gran Bois
Spokes: DT
Hubs: SON20 delux generator front, White Industries Mi5 rear with new 
bearings.
Skewers: Pitlocks with matching keys.
Tires: Compass Cycle Babyshoe Pass 42mm
Fenders: Gilles Berthoud Alloy (Composite shown in the photos, since 
replaced.) 
Bottom Bracket: Phil
Crankset: TA Cyclotourist ProVis 5
Chainrings: TA 26-36-46
Pedals: MKS Grip Kings
Cassette: Rivendell IRC 8-spd 12-34
Chain: Connectix Stainless Steel
FD: Campagnolo Super Record
RD: XTR Rapid Rise
Brifters: Campagnolo Daytona 10-spd
Brakes: Paul Centerpulls (polished)
Brake pads: Koolstop
Handlebar: Compass Cycle 41cm Randonneur
Stem: Nitto Dirt Drop
Bell: Brass
Seatpost: Nitto S83
Seat: Berthoud Aspin (natural)
Seatbag: Berthoud 786 (grey) with Klickfix attachment.
Front Rack: Mark's Rack
Basket: Wald Medium
Front Light: SON Edelux I LED
Rear Light: Philips Saferide LED
Rear Rack: Nitto Big Rack (old style)
Kickstand: ClickStand.

This Saluki, Serial #0159, was originally built up when new by Jeff 
Ferguson, and then owned by Ron Blumenthal for a year. I bought it from Ron 
in 2010. I have ridden it pretty much daily since then. 

Substantial renovation August 2015 included rebuilt wheels (new rims and 
spokes, renewing bearings on rear hub); new 36T chainring; new stainless 
chain; new cassette; new RD pulleys; new brake pads; and Phil factory 
rebuild of the bottom bracket. The bike has, for all intents and purposes, 
been re-newed. 

Still, there are a few caveats: There is one dent on the frame--on the 
downtube acquired in shipping from the East Coast when I bought the bike in 
2010. The cotton diamond wrap on the bars is due for replacement. The 
Ergopower brifters could use a rebuild. 

This is a dream bike set up with what I think (and many agree) are the best 
performing, best looking and most durable components available. 

I'm asking $2,795, plus shipping from Seattle, for the bike as shown in the 
photos. I'm open to offers, if the price seems too high, but I think it's 
in the right general range. I'll also consider removing parts and 
correspondingly reducing the price. I could probably be talked into 
delivering the bike to Portland. 

Rob in Seattle

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Re: [RBW] Sackville Saddlesack Large or Medium?

[Patrick Moore]

This by way of an aside, but I was always pleasantly surprised by how much
I could stuff into a Nelson Longflap and, even more, into a Camper Longflap
(as long as you could hold everything in place while you pulled the cinch
cord or tied the tapes, depending on your model). In the N LF I used to
carry:

Shoes
Rolled up tweed jacket
Rolled up trousers
Rolled up shirt
Belt
Lunch
Keys
Tool kit including an extra tube

Hell, I was pleasantly surprised at how much of a grocery load I could get
into a Revelate Pika -- including a bottle of wine. The bag looked like a
huge sausage, not to mention something more indelicate, shooting aft of the
saddle.

But I agree that (at least IME) full sized camping panniers like the Roller
Packers or Packer Pluses have more usable volume than even a Saddlesack
large.

Patrick Moore, who just bought a used Saddlesack Large, in ABQ, NM

On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Daniel D.  wrote:

> I'm going to vote large. As they say there's no replacement for
> displacement.
>
> I like my large.  But I was actually underwhelmed by it's capacity. Part
> of it is being used to messenger style backpacks and panniers.  The other,
> I think the board talks up the capacity a little too much.
>
> Main compartment gets filled by moderate everyday loads.  Work shoes,
> jacket, couple of bags of pastries.  I could fit a little more if I have it
> bulging with items sticking out.  But I hate that..
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 62cm Saluki

[Rob]

You've probably found what you're looking for by now, but I've decided to 
sell my Saluki: https://flic.kr/s/aHskoeejxJ

Rob
Seattle

On Monday, March 21, 2016 at 6:34:12 AM UTC-7, Justin Schoop wrote:
>
> The search continues...
>
> I've been wanting a nice 650b bike for some time now and am very 
> interested in a Saluki. I'd prefer just a frameset but will entertain full 
> bikes if they meet what I am looking for. Thanks!
>

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[RBW] FS: Sugino XD2 Triple Crankset w/ New Willow Rings. 175mm

[David Banzer]

Bump & lower. 
$70 shipped. 
David

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[RBW] Re: seeking Rivendell Saluki reviews...and maybe a lead

[Rob]

62cm, and centerpulls, but I'm selling mine. :) 

https://flic.kr/s/aHskoeejxJ


Rob
Seattle


On Sunday, April 2, 2017 at 4:10:53 PM UTC-7, Matt Beecher wrote:
>
> ...
>
> While on the topic, does anyone know of a 60cm cantilever Saluki that is 
> for sale?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt Beecher
> Oswego, IL
>
>
>

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[RBW] Who's got the beausaged Hunq in Andersonville?

[Conway Bennett]

Nice bike, not too precious!  My Sam and Quickbeam are locked up just up the 
street.

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Re: [RBW] Re: book of possible interest to Rivendell riders

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I qualify as a fountain pen geek and agree that the Lamy Safari is a fine
pen. My favorite is the Lamy 2000. It writes as well as any pen can write,
and it's discreet because the nib is hooded so it doesn't attract
attention.

Japanese make wonderful fountain pens too. Pilot pens are my favorites. For
10 bucks you get a great pen: the Pilot Kakuno. It's a kid's pen but writes
great. For a similar price the Metropolitan looks great but the ink dries
inside the cap too quickly for my taste.

TWSBI is a Taiwanese maker with great pens at a great price.  The pens
write as well as any steel nibs write and the ink filling mechanism has a
high end construction. The 580 or 700 would be my choice around 70 bucks.

Gold nibs are gonna send you over $100 and the aforementioned Lamy 2000 or
Pilot Custom Heritage 92 would be my choice.

Writing is wonderful!

Toshi





On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 10:17 AM Grant @ Rivendell 
wrote:

> I'm no fountain pen fanatic, but I know two who are, and they're also bike
> and camera people, so I know it must be dangerous. I have a Waterman
> something-or-other that my mother-in-law gave to me several years ago, and
> since then I've bought three Lamy pens, which are cheap enough--$35 to $45,
> depending on plastic or aluminum--to be sold on those. I may be verifiably
> technically wrong on this next point (and maybe somebody's already said
> it-- I don't know if Lamy pens are a big deal here or not, but I read
> Patrick's mention, so jumped in)--yes, but the thing about fountain pens is
> they seem to have a wider range of writable angles than ball-points, and
> write better at low angles than gel pens. For the unimportant record, I
> love all stationery stuffsand it's been decades since I've bought a pen
> or pencil out of need, but I buy lots of them and use them, because they're
> all so fun, and it's nice to think of businesses dedicated to these
> soon-to-be ancient tools.  I sign about 30 books a month (before they get
> stocked), and I discovered the low-angle abilities of fountain pens that
> way. But then I blow on the ink to make it dry faster. There is that...
>
> Grant "gimme a Lamy & I'm happy" Petersen
>
>
> On Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 6:21:57 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Addison: speaking of fountain pens. I'm certainly no collector, but I like
> fountain pens because they're the only writing instrument that allows me to
> write clearly (sort of; my handwriting is very bad) without my hand
> cramping, or else, without the point sliding all over the paper. The
> "glide" and the resistance are in just the right mix.
>
> But my experience, except for brief ownership of a Parker 51 which my
> daughter dropped nib first on a tile floor, has been with cheap fountain
> pens.
>
> This is what I have:
> https://www.amazon.com/Lamy-Safari-Fountain-Pen-Charcoal/dp/B0002T401Y/ref=zg_bs_1085704_4/160-5052302-7745938?_encoding=UTF8=1=G7K36TEM9SN2BXAFK1JN
>
> In my limited experience, this writes very well. But in the cheap category
> (say, under $100,) can I do better? How will a cheap but better pen write
> compared to this? And if I have to pay more than $100 to get noticeably
> superior writing qualities, how much more?
>
> Thanks, Patrick
>
> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Addison Wilhite 
> wrote:
>
> Just thought I'd chime in on the book.  I also just picked it up and have
> only just finished the vinyl section.  I'm also an audiophile migrating
> back towards vinyl and really enjoying the tactile experience and the
> different way I listen to music.
>
> I am hoping the book digs deeper into some of the reasons why as humans we
> tend to find these analog experiences more rewarding.  I've also recently
> been bitten by the fountain pen bug which in some ways is more dangerous
> than a bike obsession.  Easy to keep many more pens than find space for a
> bike.  Plus, for $200 you can get a really nice pen.  But I've spent much
> more on both a modern Montblanc and a vintage Waterman flex pen.
>
> Anyway...the book so far is definitely one to check out.
>
>
>
> Addison Wilhite, M.A.
>
> Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology
> 
>
> *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*
>
> Educator: Professional Portfolio 
>
> Blogger: Reno Rambler 
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Glen  wrote:
>
>
>
> On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 5:51:57 PM UTC-6, Ray Varella wrote:
>
> I'd like to add another thought to this discussion, it has to do with
> public radio vs mainstream corporate media.
> snip
>
> The sterility of a streaming digital service will never rival that sort of
> listening experience.
>
>
>
> I encourage you to explore the world of streamed public radio. Whether
> through iTunes, the NPR app or however you can, there is a vast world of
> fantastic commercial free music available 

[RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Grant @ Rivendell]

The "bad blood" is that the guy who used to own and started Frost River 
stole our designs and said they were his...and that was after many generous 
and helpful-in-money ways gestures on our part to help his business get 
started and stay afloat. It was a bummer, but he was desperate, and I 
understand the force of desperation.  The current FR owners knew nothing of 
that and--I just saw them once at an outdoor trade show--and they were 
willing to undo or do anything I wanted to make it right, and when they 
made that clear, I didn't care anymore, they can use our designs, and I 
hope they do well. 
There are lots of good bags out there. The Sackvilles are on Pluto, as good 
as anything we offer and emblematic of all we try to do. I dare anybody to 
hate them!

On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 2:36:11 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I'm partial to waxed canvas and love Sackville. But I switched to Frost 
> Rivers bag because it plays better with bikepacking with my tent, sleeping 
> bag and pad on the rear rack because it goes sideways. Love the large side 
> pockets too. Only downside so far is I had to add the draw chord to 
> tighten/loosen the draw flaps that weather proof the bag beneath the top 
> flap. Ought to come with that. 
> https://www.frostriver.com/shop/bike-bags/gunflint-trail-seat-bag/ I'm 
> not sure but I think the design is Grant's Baggins design and there was bad 
> blood there somehow, but whatever happened, the bag is great.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick 
>
> On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 3:12:12 PM UTC-6, Max Bergen wrote:
>>
>> I'm in the market for a new saddlebag and would enjoy reading some of 
>> your opinions. Has anyone used/currently uses any of these saddlebags? If 
>> so, I'd enjoy reading about what you like and dislike. Thanks! 
>>
>> - Swift Zeitgeist (either size) 
>> - Sackville Saddlebag (medium)
>> - Carradice Barley or Nelson
>>
>> Cheers, 
>> Max
>> San Diego
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: book of possible interest to Rivendell riders

[Grant @ Rivendell]

I'm no fountain pen fanatic, but I know two who are, and they're also bike 
and camera people, so I know it must be dangerous. I have a Waterman 
something-or-other that my mother-in-law gave to me several years ago, and 
since then I've bought three Lamy pens, which are cheap enough--$35 to $45, 
depending on plastic or aluminum--to be sold on those. I may be verifiably 
technically wrong on this next point (and maybe somebody's already said 
it-- I don't know if Lamy pens are a big deal here or not, but I read 
Patrick's mention, so jumped in)--yes, but the thing about fountain pens is 
they seem to have a wider range of writable angles than ball-points, and 
write better at low angles than gel pens. For the unimportant record, I 
love all stationery stuffsand it's been decades since I've bought a pen 
or pencil out of need, but I buy lots of them and use them, because they're 
all so fun, and it's nice to think of businesses dedicated to these 
soon-to-be ancient tools.  I sign about 30 books a month (before they get 
stocked), and I discovered the low-angle abilities of fountain pens that 
way. But then I blow on the ink to make it dry faster. There is that...

Grant "gimme a Lamy & I'm happy" Petersen

On Saturday, April 1, 2017 at 6:21:57 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Addison: speaking of fountain pens. I'm certainly no collector, but I like 
> fountain pens because they're the only writing instrument that allows me to 
> write clearly (sort of; my handwriting is very bad) without my hand 
> cramping, or else, without the point sliding all over the paper. The 
> "glide" and the resistance are in just the right mix.
>
> But my experience, except for brief ownership of a Parker 51 which my 
> daughter dropped nib first on a tile floor, has been with cheap fountain 
> pens.
>
> This is what I have: 
> https://www.amazon.com/Lamy-Safari-Fountain-Pen-Charcoal/dp/B0002T401Y/ref=zg_bs_1085704_4/160-5052302-7745938?_encoding=UTF8=1=G7K36TEM9SN2BXAFK1JN
>
> In my limited experience, this writes very well. But in the cheap category 
> (say, under $100,) can I do better? How will a cheap but better pen write 
> compared to this? And if I have to pay more than $100 to get noticeably 
> superior writing qualities, how much more?
>
> Thanks, Patrick
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 8:35 PM, Addison Wilhite  > wrote:
>
>> Just thought I'd chime in on the book.  I also just picked it up and have 
>> only just finished the vinyl section.  I'm also an audiophile migrating 
>> back towards vinyl and really enjoying the tactile experience and the 
>> different way I listen to music.
>>
>> I am hoping the book digs deeper into some of the reasons why as humans 
>> we tend to find these analog experiences more rewarding.  I've also 
>> recently been bitten by the fountain pen bug which in some ways is more 
>> dangerous than a bike obsession.  Easy to keep many more pens than find 
>> space for a bike.  Plus, for $200 you can get a really nice pen.  But I've 
>> spent much more on both a modern Montblanc and a vintage Waterman flex pen.
>>
>> Anyway...the book so far is definitely one to check out.
>>
>>
>>
>> Addison Wilhite, M.A. 
>>
>> Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 
>>  
>>
>> *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*
>>
>> Educator: Professional Portfolio 
>>
>> Blogger: Reno Rambler  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 9:21 PM, Glen  
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 31, 2017 at 5:51:57 PM UTC-6, Ray Varella wrote:

 I'd like to add another thought to this discussion, it has to do with 
 public radio vs mainstream corporate media. 
 snip

 The sterility of a streaming digital service will never rival that sort 
 of listening experience. 



>>> I encourage you to explore the world of streamed public radio. Whether 
>>> through iTunes, the NPR app or however you can, there is a vast world of 
>>> fantastic commercial free music available today. No it isn't tube amp warm 
>>> but the jazz from your Bay Area or WWOZ is fantastic and the Americana from 
>>> WNCW or WFPK makes my Friday nights and Sunday afternoons.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Broccoli Cog]

I had been mulling over the same decisions. Thanks to the good folks on 
this board and the valuable feedback I received here I was able to make a 
decision as to which one to buy. I have a Wald basket and a Swift Sugarloaf 
bag on the front that carries tools, spare tubes and everyday items.  On 
the rear I have a Nitto R-14 rack.  I wanted to get a bag that worked well 
with the rack. I was very close to buying the Sackville Medium and even 
contemplated a large. I also thought about the Swift Zeitgeist but ended up 
going in a different direction. I ended up buying a bag from Makeshifter. 
They call it their Outback Saddle. I purchased it from the good folks at 
Gravel & Grind in Frederick, MD. I just love the size, the styling and the 
material used. Gravel and Grind is supposed to have them in stock in May. 
Right now they are taking pre-orders because they have a limited number 
available. Here is a link to the bag that I ended up buying. 
http://www.makeshiftercanvasworks.com/bicycle-bags-accessories/outback-saddlebag

On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 5:12:12 PM UTC-4, Max Bergen wrote:
>
> I'm in the market for a new saddlebag and would enjoy reading some of your 
> opinions. Has anyone used/currently uses any of these saddlebags? If so, 
> I'd enjoy reading about what you like and dislike. Thanks! 
>
> - Swift Zeitgeist (either size) 
> - Sackville Saddlebag (medium)
> - Carradice Barley or Nelson
>
> Cheers, 
> Max
> San Diego
>

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Re: [RBW] Sackville Saddlesack Large or Medium?

[Daniel D.]

I'm going to vote large. As they say there's no replacement for displacement.  

I like my large.  But I was actually underwhelmed by it's capacity. Part of it 
is being used to messenger style backpacks and panniers.  The other, I think 
the board talks up the capacity a little too much. 

Main compartment gets filled by moderate everyday loads.  Work shoes, jacket, 
couple of bags of pastries.  I could fit a little more if I have it bulging 
with items sticking out.  But I hate that..

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[RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[dstein]

I've had the zeitgeist and saddlesack. It really depends on what you're 
going to be using them for. The medium saddlesack is definitely larger 
(18-23L) than the zetigeist (11L).

I've mostly relied on the medium (and large) saddlesack for camping and 
errand running along with a shopsack up front, usually keeping the 
saddlesack off the bike unless I know I need it, whereas the zeitgest is 
something I usually keep on all the time and use for long rides to keep 
jackets/gloves/food/etc (probably not a whole lot of rhyme or reason to 
keeping one on all the time vs the other, just the way it is, something 
about the zeitgeist being smaller i guess). More recently I realized that 
if I stop using stuffsacks I can actually fit my tent and sleeping pad 
stuffed directly in my large zeitgest along with my inflatable sleeping pad 
and pillow, removing the need for a saddlesack, and that combined with a 
front bag for clothes and food is plenty for an overnighter (i guess 
smaller is simpler there, no real reason other than i could).

Another consideration is clearance. I'm short and ride 52cm frames and need 
rack support for both.

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB - Riv Fork; 26" wheel canti

[Tony DeFilippo]

When the Rawland crowd all wanted Stag replacement forks I think they went
to Jeff Lyon...?  I want to say 10-12 was his batch threshold and I don't
know what the actual costs ended up being.

My only replacement fork experience was w/ Riv and my Saluki replacement.
Ended up being a newly built to spec Waterford fork that took quite a while
and I want to say grew to $375 shipped by the end...That's not the
right ballpark for my XO-3 to be sure.

Michael - I've been poking around locally and on ebay at used chomoly canti
forks, the unicrown classic ones are definitely in abundance and would get
the job done.

On Sun, Apr 9, 2017 at 12:30 AM Conway Bennett <
captainconwaybenn...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Maybe reach out to norther cycles?
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[RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[Will Ashe]

I've owned Carradice and Sackville. My preference is Sackville due to the snap 
closures. Getting things in and out of the bag is very easy. Carridice has 
leather buckles which can be much more time consuming, especially when the 
leather is new and stiff.

Will 
Santa Monica --> Austin

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[RBW] FS: Atlantis 61cm FFH

[Justin Schoop]

Sold!

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[RBW] Re: Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[ascpgh]

Good picks Max, I've been wondering what to get next myself. Planning for 
the demise of my Carradice is working out like my old Subaru. The bag got 
wax replenishment for about $12, the car got front half shafts for $155. 
The bag is still going, a drunk T-boned and killed the car. 

I like the saddle bag format. the lateral dimensioning keeps the load 
closer to center of mass. Critics observe it to appear ungainly wide but 
once on the bike it disappears behind your legs. You would hit your 
handlebar or knee before the bag if brushing close to anything. 

My Nelson's Longflap is seldom deployed, but makes the bag of two distinct 
load ranges without the smaller being slack and floppy. I have a bagman 
support under it and put my items for work into a summit sack (an improved 
stuff sack with shoulder straps) that goes right in and out. Helmet in it 
for the day while locked up.

Can't vouch for diminished quality of leather strapping, I'm still using 
mine. I bought it in 2001 and have bee using it as daily commuting city 
since 2007. I still wonder what I'll use next, so I'm eager to hear others' 
responses and observations  since I have also heard Carradice details have 
slipped in quality. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh





I have been using a Carradice Nelson Longflap on my daily commuter for over 
ten years now. 

On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 5:12:12 PM UTC-4, Max Bergen wrote:
>
> I'm in the market for a new saddlebag and would enjoy reading some of your 
> opinions. Has anyone used/currently uses any of these saddlebags? If so, 
> I'd enjoy reading about what you like and dislike. Thanks! 
>
> - Swift Zeitgeist (either size) 
> - Sackville Saddlebag (medium)
> - Carradice Barley or Nelson
>
> Cheers, 
> Max
> San Diego
>

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[RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Austin B]

N=3 bikes and I'd need to do some negotiating to have my marriage sustain a 
4th.

*2016 Sam Hillborne *(big blue 62cm with 2TT) - set up with Compass Bon Jon 
Pass for mostly road and occasional off-road day touring. Currently running 
Noodles but seriously giving thought to converting to an Albastache setup. 
And I'm looking for a decent, cheap rack to hold my panniers. This bike 
will be left to one of my two kids in my will (I'm in my 40's and don't 
expect this to happen for several decades BTW)
*1989 Bridgestone RB-1 -* my speedy retro go-fast "modernized" with bar end 
shifters. This bike is fun and nimble. Will be left to my other kid who 
doesn't get the Hillborne in my will.
*Soma Smoothie ES -* modern STI drivetrain road setup with wider tires than 
the RB-1 as my lightweight comfort road bike. This bike hasn't seen the 
road in 2017. I'd transfer the ES components in a second to a 63cm Roadeo 
(or maybe the coming Roadini).

Bob K--I live in Carroll County. Where around Baltimore do you take your 
HIllborne for forest roads & single track?


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Re: [RBW] Re: N = ? or How do you decide how many bikes to own?

[Lee Legrand]

You missed the point and no need to begin response with a defensive
posture.  I am not your father or any authority figure wagging his finger
at you.  The point to my comment is that you can never find contentment on
external factors and bicycle should mostly based on need and no so much
collection.  Having less is not a sign of contentment nor is having many.

On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 8:13 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I never said someone with  x bicycles is more or less content than someone
> with x-y bicycles. I really doubt those of us who have more than, say, 2 or
> 3 bicycles actually *need* all of them. I do think that at some point,
> rather than bringing pleasure or contentment, a big bicycle collection can
> become a burden--whether financially, physically, or spiritually. What that
> number is for any particular person, I would not pretend to have any idea.
>
> On Saturday, April 8, 2017 at 8:35:38 AM UTC-4, Lee Legrand wrote:
>>
>> When contentment is derived from having things or having less things,
>> then contentment is always regulated on external things being set. Which is
>> always have within it, discontentment since nothing external is set but
>> comes and goes.  It is not so much as having bicycle N+1 bicycle but I
>> think it is more of need and opportunity.  If people bought bicycles based
>> on what they  used them for, instead of being fixated on fads and new gear,
>> it is not that they will have greater contentment but it bicycles are used
>> as needs as part of their life.  If a person can do whatever they needed on
>> one bicycles vs someone needing 3 bicycles to do what they need for their
>> life, why is the person with 3 less content than the one who has one? They
>> are using the bicycle out of necessity.
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 8, 2017 at 8:13 AM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch <
>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I think this is somewhat more intricate, with many subtle human
>>> motivations lying between need and greed. Certainly few Americans live
>>> anything close to strictly on need, and of those that do, many are not
>>> doing so voluntarily. Our economy and our culture is just not set up that
>>> way. When does want or appreciation or desire cross the line into greed? Is
>>> being a hoarder greedy, or is some other driver at work? Staving off
>>> thoughts of mortality, perhaps? What about collectors, or connoisseurs?
>>>
>>> I suspect many of the n + 1s here are a slightly different breed than
>>> any of these categories. We've become infatuated with the bicycle as one of
>>> the more amazing, and more accessible, machines ever created, and enjoy
>>> exploring it in its many permutations and variations. We are very lucky in
>>> that respect, as the bicycle has only been in existence for the tiniest
>>> sliver of human history. And the ability of the average citizen to buy,
>>> store, and feed way more bicycles than he or she needs, and endlessly
>>> discuss said bicycles on the internets, is due mainly to the high per
>>> capita use of energy that we have been enjoying for the last century or so.
>>> But, as all things do eventually, that high energy consumption, and the
>>> many benefits that come with it, is winding down. That said, I think you
>>> are right that too much of anything, including bicycles, can ultimately
>>> impair contentment and gratitude, and I am doing my best to release some of
>>> my bicycle fixation --and some of my bicycles. I just have one or two more
>>> projects to go here...
>>>
>>> On Friday, April 7, 2017 at 7:26:01 PM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:

 ...In my 30s I have decided greed is a very unattractive quality that I
 saw in myself. I figured greed was something worth guarding my heart
 against, and I decided the antidote is contentment + gratitude.  ...

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[RBW] Opinions on saddlebags? Swift vs. Carradice vs. Sackville

[EasyRider]

I have a Carradice Super C audax, which has plastic quick release buckles 
instead of leather buckles like the Barley. It's a good size for those who over 
prepare for day rides, or for errands, but it's not quite big enough for me to 
commute to work with a change of clothes and toiletries. And getting it on and 
off the bike takes a minute. It works best with some sort of support. Either a 
rear rack or one of Carradice's. If the leather saddle loop straps tear, I'll 
replace them with webbing. I think it's a nice complement to a front basket or 
front panniers.

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[RBW] FS: Rivendell Atlantis 58cm Complete

[Brencho]

Hello!

I'm selling my sweet and trusty 58cm Rivendell Atlantis as a complete bike. 
It's been used but cared for during these past 4 years. meaning its in very 
good shape but has a couple scratches. Nothing to write home about, but 
individuals differ along these lines so I'll leave that up to you to 
decide. 

Asking $2900, local pickup in the Greater LA Area or meet me half way if 
you're located somewhere else in southern California. Otherwise happy to 
have a local bike shop pack it up but shipping isn't included in the price. 
Pis coming soon. 

Includes the following things (non-exhaustive list, will work on making it 
more exhaustive as/if questions arise): 
Nitto tallux 9cm stem
Nitto Albastache bars
Riv Bar-end silver shifters
Dia-compe perforated non-aero brake levers
Shimano XT front and rear derailers
Sugino XD2 triple crank (46x36x24)
Shimano CX70 canti brakes
Rich built wheels (Velocity 36h 700c rims with Shimano LX hubs)
Soma Cazadero tires (brand new)
extra pair of Schwalbe Dureme tires (everlasting)
Nitto S83 double-bolt seat post
Nitto Big Front rack
Wald Large basket
SKS fenders 

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