[RBW] FS: 650b tires. Schwalbe/ Compass

[Michael Williams]

Hey Group,  for sale are several pairs of slightly used to barely used 650b 
tires. All prices include shipping.   Please contact off list.   Thank you!   
-Mike
1) Schwalbe Thunder Burt 27.5 x 2.25.(slightly used)  Snakeskin version.   $50
2) Schwalbe Racing Ralph 27.5x 2.25(slightly used). Im not sure if its liteskin 
or snakeskin version.  But they're evolution line/ tubeless ready/ 3 star 
compound and weigh 484/510 g
3) Schwalbe Big One 27.5 x 2.35 ( barely used) snakeskin version $50
4) Compass Swithback Hill 650x48 ( barely used) standard version, tan 
sidewalls. $110

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[RBW] Re: Even a riv (design) can wobble

[dougP]

Wobble (aka "shimmy") is a recurring topic, not only here but on other 
forums.  I can get my Atlantis to wobble with the right set of conditions.  
After following this topic for years, I've come to the conclusion that some 
bikes wobble under some riders sometimes.  Not everything is predictable 
nor correctable.  Some riders have never experienced wobble while others 
have sold bikes because they couldn't stand the wobble.  Stuff happens.

dougP

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 7:42:46 PM UTC-7, Bruce K Jamison wrote:
>
> My SOMA San Marcos 59cm has been a great bike.  At the end of a long ride 
> where I was admittedly tired and not riding in the best fashion (no hands, 
> leaning way back in the saddle), the bike got the dreaded wobble.   It went 
> away quickly.  I went over the bike checking the usual suspects, and am 
> happy to say everything is fine again.   But I was really surprised that it 
> happened at all.   The San Marcos is so stable and it’s even a 2X top tube 
> model.I guess it’s only human….  
>
>

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[RBW] Save Bruce Gordon Cycles

[Evan Baird]

Cross Post from BOB

Hey Everybody. I spoke with Bruce Gordon again this afternoon and he still 
hasn't found a buyer for his shop. My partner Norma and I decided that we 
want to try to raise the money to turn BG Cycles into a frame building 
school and bike touring museum and open it to the public. I think what 
Bruce is asking is an insanely low amount of one of the most respected 
names in custom bicycles and I think that he deserves a comfortable 
retirement after everything he's done for the American Bike Industry. If 
you can't support us directly please help us spread the word about our 
crowdfunding campaign. We have about a month to pull this off, after which 
Bruce told me he's just going to take his bicycle collection to the 
recyclers and scrap the lot. I really believe he intends to do that, and I 
would break my heart to see such beautiful and historical bikes get 
destroyed.


https://www.gofundme.com/save-bruce-gordon-cycles



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[RBW] Shimano SM-RT81M (180mm) XT Ice Tech Centerlock rotor

[Bruce Smitham]

1 new in box Shimano SM-RT81M (180mm) XT Ice Tech Centerlock rotor $25 plus 
shipping CONUS

Thx,

Bruce in San Diego

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[RBW] Even a riv (design) can wobble

[Bruce K Jamison]

My SOMA San Marcos 59cm has been a great bike.  At the end of a long ride 
where I was admittedly tired and not riding in the best fashion (no hands, 
leaning way back in the saddle), the bike got the dreaded wobble.   It went 
away quickly.  I went over the bike checking the usual suspects, and am 
happy to say everything is fine again.   But I was really surprised that it 
happened at all.   The San Marcos is so stable and it’s even a 2X top tube 
model.I guess it’s only human….  

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Re: [RBW] Atlantis! Tire question

[john Bokman]

To be specific, a Rivendell bicycle is an amazing device, being able to carry 
loads with ease, while not giving up a great feeling, fun ride.
> On May 22, 2017, at 3:49 PM, dougP  wrote:
> 
> John:
> 
> A bicycle is such an amazing device.  We consider "only about 30 lbs" to be a 
> moderate load.  What else can easily carry more than it's own weight?
> 
> Assuming that the 30 lbs is an occassional load like a lodging tour or an 
> S24O, and most of the time you're riding unloaded, my suggestion would be the 
> Supremes ride better than the Green Guards.  But for double the money they 
> should do something.  
> 
> dougP
> 
> On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 1:35:10 PM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
> Doug, thanks for the reply.
> Yeah, I’m sure the Plus Tours would feel awful sluggish to me. I’m not a 
> bruiser by any stretch. A loaded touring bike for me is only about 30 pounds 
> of gear, max, so I would not be interested in anything more stout than the 
> “regular old Marathon”. Even that might be unnecessary for my purposes. 
> 
> 
>> On May 22, 2017, at 12:48 PM, dougP gmail.com 
>> > wrote:
>> 
>> John:
>> 
>> No, I haven't tried the Green Guards.  I have used the Plus Tour.  It's even 
>> heavier & tougher.  One flat in 6,000 miles on the rear & it was a big 
>> screw.  I did notice a big improvement in ride & performance when I went 
>> back to Supremes.  I think the Plus Tour is about 2X the weight of the 
>> Supreme.
>> 
>> One of my touring buds uses what is probably the Green Guard.  He refers to 
>> them as "regular old Schwalbes, $35 each".  He gets few flats & they last a 
>> long time.  He does over 12,000 miles per year.
>> 
>> IME, once the bike is loaded up, I don't notice as much difference in tires. 
>>  But without a load, I can definitely notice differences in ride quality & 
>> performance such as getting up to speed from a stop.  
>> 
>> dougP
>> 
>> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 8:37:59 PM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
>> Doug, I'm curious if you've ever tried your Atlantis with Marathon Green 
>> Guards. Wondering how they compare to the Supremes. On paper, the Supremes 
>> rein supreme, but in real world conditions I'd be curious. Of course they 
>> are heavy, but to paraphrase Grant: "With weight comes good things." I know 
>> over at the blog "Cycling About", the author did a tire rolling comparison 
>> (drum rollers, not real world) and puncture comparison, and the Marathon 
>> Green Guard came out very well indeed - especially considering the price per 
>> mile. For a true commuting/touring tire, it looks to be extremely long 
>> lasting.
>> 
>> J.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 8:12:19 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>> Isaac:
>> 
>> Congratulations on having excellent taste in bikes.  Be sure to post photos 
>> when you've rec'd the bike.  
>> 
>> One of the many beauties of the Atlantis is the ability to fit all sorts of 
>> big chubby tires.  While 29+ may be pushing it, for your intended purpose 
>> you have tons of good choices.  
>> 
>> My personal bias is to Schwalbe because I hate flats.  I've been pleased 
>> with the 40 mm Marathon Supremes on my 58 cm Atlantis, having used them for 
>> many years.  When I was doing more touring (5-6k miles per year) I would 
>> only get a flat or 2 per year.  Rear tires lasted a year & fronts a bit 
>> longer.  I'm doing about 3,000 miles year now so rarely deal with a flat.  I 
>> also don't insist on getting the last mile out of a tire.  
>> 
>> I've also tried the Marathon Mondials.  They give better traction off 
>> pavement, at a penalty in ride & weight.  
>> 
>> Others have used a wide variety of tires for similar uses so you'll no doubt 
>> get plenty of responses with personal use information.  Compass, Soma, et al 
>> have all been used with good result.  The trade-off, as always, is puncture 
>> resistance and ride vs life span and flat resistance.  You may end up with 
>> your own tire inventory.  It's a harmless indulgence.  Enjoy.
>> 
>> dougP
>> 
>> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 7:31:38 PM UTC-7, Birdman wrote:
>> Hi all, 
>> 
>> I am beyond thrilled to say that I just put a deposit down on a 64 Atlantis 
>> with a double tt! Now I get to enjoy many months of anticipation while 
>> fantasizing about bike builds... 
>> 
>> Speaking of which, I always rode 32mm pasellas on my Quickbeam as well as on 
>> my current touring bike, because of its relatively narrow crown and chain 
>> stays. The option of running larger tires on the Atlantis is part of its 
>> appeal for me, but I don't really know where to begin. 
>> 
>> Any tire size/brand recommendations for commuting and touring with some 
>> gravel and dirt roads? I know it all comes down to compromises and personal 
>> preferences, but where should I start? 
>> 
>> Thanks. I haven't posted here in many years. It's great to be coming back to 
>> the RBW Owners Bunch. 
>> 
>> Isaac
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[RBW] Re: FS Surly ECR size large

[Bruce Smitham]

Bump on the Surly ECR- looking for $1,500 plus shipping CONUS

On Friday, May 19, 2017 at 5:45:31 PM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> For sale is my Surly ECR size large in excellent condition. Shimano XT 1 x 
> 11 groupset. Crankset 175mm arms 30 tooth ring, cassette is XT 11/42, XT 
> shifter, XT bottom bracket, XT chain, XT hydraulic disc brakes and levers 
> with XT ice 160mm center lock rotors. Wheelset has XT hubs, DT Swiss 
> Competition spokes, WTB Scrapper i45mm rims tubeless ready with Maxxis 
> Chronicle 3" tires set up tubeless. WTB saddle, new Kalloy seatpost, 
> Ritchey Pro stem, new Raceface handlebar with new Lizard Skin grips. Pedals 
> not included. Rides perfect. Asking $1,700 but will sell to group members 
> for $1,600 plus shipping via bikeflights.
>
> Pictures here: https://flic.kr/s/aHskViX3AJ 
>
> Let me know if you have any questions,
>
> Bruce in San Diego
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[RBW] Re: 60cm bombadil frameset 600 usd + shipping

[adam leibow]

hi, i think i'll take the bombadil if its still available. 

thank you

Adam (310) 963 6959 if you want to text. my zip code is 94122

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 5:30:34 PM UTC-7, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> I've got to start getting rid of some of the bikes and frames I have 
> laying about. First up is a dark dark green 60cm bombadil frameset with the 
> two parallel toptube design. It's got lots of scratches and scrapes. Has 
> been touched up multiple times and it wouldn't hurt to repaint it 
> altogether. But no dents or cracks.
>
> Please reply off list.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sky in new west
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

[Geeter]

Ed, I bought a Hunq and now built the Jones because of my disc issues.  I 
recently had a microdiscectomy/laminectomy on L5/S1 and I really want to 
continue riding all day like I used to.   I am considering selling my road 
and cross bikes for good because I don't know when or if I will want to be 
back on drops.  The geo of the two bikes really has me comfortable and I am 
hoping that now after surgery I will be back in the saddle, pun intended.


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[RBW] Re: 60cm Cheviot Owner Questions: Which Hitch-mounted Bike Racks Work & Largest Tire Width With Fenders

[tc]

Thank you all very much for the suggestions and info regarding racks and 
fenders!  I'll call Riv tomorrow to verify the wheelbase.

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[RBW] Re: Butch Bubbe

[Pondero]

The green tape(?) on the lift tube is one of many nice touches on this one. 
 I enjoy this bike.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Butch Bubbe

[Philip Williamson]

That looks great. I didn't realize that RnRs came in all black. Is that a 
Willow triplizer ring set?

Philip
www.biketinker.com

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[RBW] HubbuHubbuH ride report

[Bill]

Priceless.

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[RBW] Butch Bubbe

[Bill]

APPROVE!

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[RBW] Re: Butch Bubbe

[Carla Waugh]

Bill your Bubba looks great and I love the contrasting bar tape!

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[RBW] ISO Mountain Bike Brake Levers

[Broccoli Cog]

Hi all, I'm making the switch to Albatross bars and I am in need of a set 
of MTB brake levers that work with the Tektro side pulls. Does anyone have 
any laying around in their parts bin that you would like to part with? I am 
looking for the Shimano ones but would consider others if you have them. 
Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Re: 60cm bombadil frameset 600 usd + shipping

[Sky Coulter]

Hi Steven.  

Its 700c and fits a 55mm without and a 50mm with.  I'm pretty sure it can fit 
bigger than that, given i had it setup with 63mm fenders, but didn't run 
anything that big so don't wanna say.

Saddle is at 77cm height.

Thanks,

Sky 

> On May 22, 2017, at 6:08 PM, Steven Sweedler  wrote:
> 
> Sky, is it 650B or 700, how wide a tire with or without fenders, what is the 
> crank bolt to top of saddle height in your picture. thanks, Steve
> 
>> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 8:54 PM Sky Coulter  wrote:
>> And a pic of it in better lighting built up:
>> 
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/140959259@N03/32640008764/in/dateposted-public/
>> 
>> Sky in new west
>> 
>> 
>>> On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 5:30:34 PM UTC-7, Sky Coulter wrote:
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> I've got to start getting rid of some of the bikes and frames I have laying 
>>> about. First up is a dark dark green 60cm bombadil frameset with the two 
>>> parallel toptube design. It's got lots of scratches and scrapes. Has been 
>>> touched up multiple times and it wouldn't hurt to repaint it altogether. 
>>> But no dents or cracks.
>>> 
>>> Please reply off list.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Sky in new west
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[RBW] FS: Choco-Norm Bar and 25.4/13cm Tallux Stem

[Johnny Alien]

I just bought these and I decided to bag my project so I need to move the 
along.  Both items are 100% brand new and unused.

1.  54cm Aluminim Choc-Norm handlebar - $80 shipped

https://www.rivbike.com/products/nitto-choco-norm-bar-alu-ht-54cm-x-25-4-16249

2.  24.5 clamp 13cm reach Tallux Stem - $60 shipped

$130 shipped if you want both of them together.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 60cm bombadil frameset 600 usd + shipping

[Steven Sweedler]

Sky, is it 650B or 700, how wide a tire with or without fenders, what is
the crank bolt to top of saddle height in your picture. thanks, Steve

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 8:54 PM Sky Coulter  wrote:

> And a pic of it in better lighting built up:
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/140959259@N03/32640008764/in/dateposted-public/
>
> Sky in new west
>
>
> On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 5:30:34 PM UTC-7, Sky Coulter wrote:
>>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> I've got to start getting rid of some of the bikes and frames I have
>> laying about. First up is a dark dark green 60cm bombadil frameset with the
>> two parallel toptube design. It's got lots of scratches and scrapes. Has
>> been touched up multiple times and it wouldn't hurt to repaint it
>> altogether. But no dents or cracks.
>>
>> Please reply off list.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Sky in new west
>>
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[RBW] Re: 60cm bombadil frameset 600 usd + shipping

[Sky Coulter]

And a pic of it in better lighting built up:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/140959259@N03/32640008764/in/dateposted-public/

Sky in new west


On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 5:30:34 PM UTC-7, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> Hey all,
>
> I've got to start getting rid of some of the bikes and frames I have 
> laying about. First up is a dark dark green 60cm bombadil frameset with the 
> two parallel toptube design. It's got lots of scratches and scrapes. Has 
> been touched up multiple times and it wouldn't hurt to repaint it 
> altogether. But no dents or cracks.
>
> Please reply off list.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sky in new west
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Handlebar Bliss

[Bob B]

I've only got two bikes and both have Boscos now (one of them bullmoose)

I've gone about a year like that so far.

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Re: [RBW] Atlantis! Tire question

[dougP]

John:

A bicycle is such an amazing device.  We consider "only about 30 lbs" to be 
a moderate load.  What else can easily carry more than it's own weight?

Assuming that the 30 lbs is an occassional load like a lodging tour or an 
S24O, and most of the time you're riding unloaded, my suggestion would be 
the Supremes ride better than the Green Guards.  But for double the money 
they should do something.  

dougP

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 1:35:10 PM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
>
> Doug, thanks for the reply.
> Yeah, I’m sure the Plus Tours would feel awful sluggish to me. I’m not a 
> bruiser by any stretch. A loaded touring bike for me is only about 30 
> pounds of gear, max, so I would not be interested in anything more stout 
> than the “regular old Marathon”. Even that might be unnecessary for my 
> purposes. 
>
>
> On May 22, 2017, at 12:48 PM, dougP  
> wrote:
>
> John:
>
> No, I haven't tried the Green Guards.  I have used the Plus Tour.  It's 
> even heavier & tougher.  One flat in 6,000 miles on the rear & it was a big 
> screw.  I did notice a big improvement in ride & performance when I went 
> back to Supremes.  I think the Plus Tour is about 2X the weight of the 
> Supreme.
>
> One of my touring buds uses what is probably the Green Guard.  He refers 
> to them as "regular old Schwalbes, $35 each".  He gets few flats & they 
> last a long time.  He does over 12,000 miles per year.
>
> IME, once the bike is loaded up, I don't notice as much difference in 
> tires.  But without a load, I can definitely notice differences in ride 
> quality & performance such as getting up to speed from a stop.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 8:37:59 PM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
>>
>> Doug, I'm curious if you've ever tried your Atlantis with Marathon Green 
>> Guards. Wondering how they compare to the Supremes. On paper, the Supremes 
>> rein supreme, but in real world conditions I'd be curious. Of course they 
>> are heavy, but to paraphrase Grant: "With weight comes good things." I know 
>> over at the blog "Cycling About", the author did a tire rolling comparison 
>> (drum rollers, not real world) and puncture comparison, and the Marathon 
>> Green Guard came out very well indeed - especially considering the price 
>> per mile. For a true commuting/touring tire, it looks to be extremely long 
>> lasting.
>>
>> J.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 8:12:19 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>>
>>> Isaac:
>>>
>>> Congratulations on having excellent taste in bikes.  Be sure to post 
>>> photos when you've rec'd the bike.  
>>>
>>> One of the many beauties of the Atlantis is the ability to fit all sorts 
>>> of big chubby tires.  While 29+ may be pushing it, for your intended 
>>> purpose you have tons of good choices.  
>>>
>>> My personal bias is to Schwalbe because I hate flats.  I've been pleased 
>>> with the 40 mm Marathon Supremes on my 58 cm Atlantis, having used them for 
>>> many years.  When I was doing more touring (5-6k miles per year) I would 
>>> only get a flat or 2 per year.  Rear tires lasted a year & fronts a bit 
>>> longer.  I'm doing about 3,000 miles year now so rarely deal with a flat.  
>>> I also don't insist on getting the last mile out of a tire.  
>>>
>>> I've also tried the Marathon Mondials.  They give better traction off 
>>> pavement, at a penalty in ride & weight.  
>>>
>>> Others have used a wide variety of tires for similar uses so you'll no 
>>> doubt get plenty of responses with personal use information.  Compass, 
>>> Soma, et al have all been used with good result.  The trade-off, as always, 
>>> is puncture resistance and ride vs life span and flat resistance.  You may 
>>> end up with your own tire inventory.  It's a harmless indulgence.  Enjoy.
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 7:31:38 PM UTC-7, Birdman wrote:

 Hi all, 

 I am beyond thrilled to say that I just put a deposit down on a 64 
 Atlantis with a double tt! Now I get to enjoy many months of anticipation 
 while fantasizing about bike builds... 

 Speaking of which, I always rode 32mm pasellas on my Quickbeam as well 
 as on my current touring bike, because of its relatively narrow crown and 
 chain stays. The option of running larger tires on the Atlantis is part of 
 its appeal for me, but I don't really know where to begin. 

 Any tire size/brand recommendations for commuting and touring with some 
 gravel and dirt roads? I know it all comes down to compromises and 
 personal 
 preferences, but where should I start? 

 Thanks. I haven't posted here in many years. It's great to be coming 
 back to the RBW Owners Bunch. 

 Isaac
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Butch Bubbe

[Bill Lindsay]

Those are blinking LEDs on my valve stems.  They were practically free, and 
they make nice blue circles when I ride.  I almost always get home before 
dark now  so they probably don't do much, but I'm a strong believer in 
conspicuity.  Anything I can add that costs virtually nothings and weighs 
virtually nothing and incrementally  increases conspicuity is worth doing. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 3:35:12 PM UTC-7, A. Nostuh wrote:
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> Are those led lights on your valve? If so, how do you like them?

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[RBW] Butch Bubbe

[A. Nostuh]

Are those led lights on your valve? If so, how do you like them?

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Re: [RBW] 60cm Cheviot Owner Questions: Which Hitch-mounted Bike Racks Work & Largest Tire Width With Fenders

[René Sterental]

I'm talking about their Fender Cushion:
https://www.1up-usa.com/product/fender-cushion/

They don't damage the fenders at all, and the bike is kept quite snug. To
allow for the wide Honjo (650b 62mm) on my custom, I also installed their
Fat Tire adapters, so the fender cushions "float" within the wider adapter,
but it still works very well.

I'll post photos when I get home, during the Memorial Day Weekend.

They sell a roof rack variant, so you could do the same thing, although to
be honest, it may be quite cumbersome to operate on the roof of a car
without a step ladder; don't know for sure, unless the mechanism is
different.

The roof rack I used to use for my fender bikes before, was a Thule rack
that held the bike by the downtube and has apparently now been replaced by
the ProRide model. Since the bike is held by the downtube and the wheels
are tied to the rack, it allows fenders.

René

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 10:29 PM Daniel Jackson <
daniel.seth.jack...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Rene - what are the covers your refer to that interface with metal fenders
> on the 1up? I've been looking for a solid roof rack for fully fendered
> Rando machines and the 1up seems likely to damage fenders, no?
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Re: [RBW] Atlantis! Tire question

[john Bokman]

Doug, thanks for the reply.
Yeah, I’m sure the Plus Tours would feel awful sluggish to me. I’m not a 
bruiser by any stretch. A loaded touring bike for me is only about 30 pounds of 
gear, max, so I would not be interested in anything more stout than the 
“regular old Marathon”. Even that might be unnecessary for my purposes. 


> On May 22, 2017, at 12:48 PM, dougP  wrote:
> 
> John:
> 
> No, I haven't tried the Green Guards.  I have used the Plus Tour.  It's even 
> heavier & tougher.  One flat in 6,000 miles on the rear & it was a big screw. 
>  I did notice a big improvement in ride & performance when I went back to 
> Supremes.  I think the Plus Tour is about 2X the weight of the Supreme.
> 
> One of my touring buds uses what is probably the Green Guard.  He refers to 
> them as "regular old Schwalbes, $35 each".  He gets few flats & they last a 
> long time.  He does over 12,000 miles per year.
> 
> IME, once the bike is loaded up, I don't notice as much difference in tires.  
> But without a load, I can definitely notice differences in ride quality & 
> performance such as getting up to speed from a stop.  
> 
> dougP
> 
> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 8:37:59 PM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
> Doug, I'm curious if you've ever tried your Atlantis with Marathon Green 
> Guards. Wondering how they compare to the Supremes. On paper, the Supremes 
> rein supreme, but in real world conditions I'd be curious. Of course they are 
> heavy, but to paraphrase Grant: "With weight comes good things." I know over 
> at the blog "Cycling About", the author did a tire rolling comparison (drum 
> rollers, not real world) and puncture comparison, and the Marathon Green 
> Guard came out very well indeed - especially considering the price per mile. 
> For a true commuting/touring tire, it looks to be extremely long lasting.
> 
> J.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 8:12:19 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
> Isaac:
> 
> Congratulations on having excellent taste in bikes.  Be sure to post photos 
> when you've rec'd the bike.  
> 
> One of the many beauties of the Atlantis is the ability to fit all sorts of 
> big chubby tires.  While 29+ may be pushing it, for your intended purpose you 
> have tons of good choices.  
> 
> My personal bias is to Schwalbe because I hate flats.  I've been pleased with 
> the 40 mm Marathon Supremes on my 58 cm Atlantis, having used them for many 
> years.  When I was doing more touring (5-6k miles per year) I would only get 
> a flat or 2 per year.  Rear tires lasted a year & fronts a bit longer.  I'm 
> doing about 3,000 miles year now so rarely deal with a flat.  I also don't 
> insist on getting the last mile out of a tire.  
> 
> I've also tried the Marathon Mondials.  They give better traction off 
> pavement, at a penalty in ride & weight.  
> 
> Others have used a wide variety of tires for similar uses so you'll no doubt 
> get plenty of responses with personal use information.  Compass, Soma, et al 
> have all been used with good result.  The trade-off, as always, is puncture 
> resistance and ride vs life span and flat resistance.  You may end up with 
> your own tire inventory.  It's a harmless indulgence.  Enjoy.
> 
> dougP
> 
> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 7:31:38 PM UTC-7, Birdman wrote:
> Hi all, 
> 
> I am beyond thrilled to say that I just put a deposit down on a 64 Atlantis 
> with a double tt! Now I get to enjoy many months of anticipation while 
> fantasizing about bike builds... 
> 
> Speaking of which, I always rode 32mm pasellas on my Quickbeam as well as on 
> my current touring bike, because of its relatively narrow crown and chain 
> stays. The option of running larger tires on the Atlantis is part of its 
> appeal for me, but I don't really know where to begin. 
> 
> Any tire size/brand recommendations for commuting and touring with some 
> gravel and dirt roads? I know it all comes down to compromises and personal 
> preferences, but where should I start? 
> 
> Thanks. I haven't posted here in many years. It's great to be coming back to 
> the RBW Owners Bunch. 
> 
> Isaac
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[RBW] FS: Brooks B68

[Jonathan D.]

I just sent a PM. I couldn't tell if it went through. Hard to send PMs on the 
phone. 

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[RBW] FS: Brooks B68

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Hi I will take it. Only have my phone so couldn't pm you. Please email me
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[RBW] For Sale-Bridgestone, Nitto, Rivendell

[Andrew Huston]

With the new addition of my Appaloosa and Brompton, I am eagerly trying to 
downsize like so many others seem to be doing as well.  All price include 
shipping.   Here goes…


Bridgestone mb6 - Intended on building this eventually and eventually 
turned into never.  Frame is in great shape.  19in seat tube, 58cm top tube 
c-c.  SS setup with Origin 8 tensioner.   No name rear wheel, Nice Ritchey 
built front with LX hubs, Nitto 10cm Dirt drop stem with Origin 8 mustache 
bars,  Includes near new Continental Tour Rides  $275


Racktime rear rack- $45


Thomson seatpost- used but good condition, 27.2 x 330mm  $60


Eureka tent-  $50  nice and small

https://www.campmor.com/c/eureka-solitaire-tent-23888


Rivendell Quickbeam -Yes this again, 56cm,  If someone wants a SS and 
prefers near new, here is your shot.$1450 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/43976096@N08/albums/72157683438865466


Kenda Small Block 8 29x2.1- $40 

Photos for all but Qbeam
https://www.flickr.com/photos/43976096@N08/albums/72157681296577102

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis! Tire question

[Bill Lindsay]

If I had a 700c Atlantis on the way, I would seriously consider running the 
newish WTB Riddler 700x45 on there.  

https://www.wtb.com/products/riddler-45c

BL in EC

On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 7:31:38 PM UTC-7, Birdman wrote:
>
> Hi all, 
>
> I am beyond thrilled to say that I just put a deposit down on a 64 
> Atlantis with a double tt! Now I get to enjoy many months of anticipation 
> while fantasizing about bike builds... 
>
> Speaking of which, I always rode 32mm pasellas on my Quickbeam as well as 
> on my current touring bike, because of its relatively narrow crown and 
> chain stays. The option of running larger tires on the Atlantis is part of 
> its appeal for me, but I don't really know where to begin. 
>
> Any tire size/brand recommendations for commuting and touring with some 
> gravel and dirt roads? I know it all comes down to compromises and personal 
> preferences, but where should I start? 
>
> Thanks. I haven't posted here in many years. It's great to be coming back 
> to the RBW Owners Bunch. 
>
> Isaac

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[RBW] Butch Bubbe

[Bill Lindsay]

It looks like the rains are over now in California.  I decided to remove 
the fenders from my Rosco Bubbe Road bike, pulled off my 700x35 Compass Bon 
Jon Pass tires, and replaced them with 700x43 Bruce Gordon Rock and Roads. 
 Now my Rosco is all butch and ready to monster cross it, when needed.  I 
would characterize the clearances as perfect, without fenders.  I think 
this will be the standard summertime configuration for this bike.  When I 
ran Rock and Roads on my Hillborne, things cleared, but were awfully close. 
 Anyway, enjoy.  


Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis! Tire question

[dougP]

John:

No, I haven't tried the Green Guards.  I have used the Plus Tour.  It's 
even heavier & tougher.  One flat in 6,000 miles on the rear & it was a big 
screw.  I did notice a big improvement in ride & performance when I went 
back to Supremes.  I think the Plus Tour is about 2X the weight of the 
Supreme.

One of my touring buds uses what is probably the Green Guard.  He refers to 
them as "regular old Schwalbes, $35 each".  He gets few flats & they last a 
long time.  He does over 12,000 miles per year.

IME, once the bike is loaded up, I don't notice as much difference in 
tires.  But without a load, I can definitely notice differences in ride 
quality & performance such as getting up to speed from a stop.  

dougP

On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 8:37:59 PM UTC-7, John Bokman wrote:
>
> Doug, I'm curious if you've ever tried your Atlantis with Marathon Green 
> Guards. Wondering how they compare to the Supremes. On paper, the Supremes 
> rein supreme, but in real world conditions I'd be curious. Of course they 
> are heavy, but to paraphrase Grant: "With weight comes good things." I know 
> over at the blog "Cycling About", the author did a tire rolling comparison 
> (drum rollers, not real world) and puncture comparison, and the Marathon 
> Green Guard came out very well indeed - especially considering the price 
> per mile. For a true commuting/touring tire, it looks to be extremely long 
> lasting.
>
> J.
>
>
>
> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 8:12:19 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Isaac:
>>
>> Congratulations on having excellent taste in bikes.  Be sure to post 
>> photos when you've rec'd the bike.  
>>
>> One of the many beauties of the Atlantis is the ability to fit all sorts 
>> of big chubby tires.  While 29+ may be pushing it, for your intended 
>> purpose you have tons of good choices.  
>>
>> My personal bias is to Schwalbe because I hate flats.  I've been pleased 
>> with the 40 mm Marathon Supremes on my 58 cm Atlantis, having used them for 
>> many years.  When I was doing more touring (5-6k miles per year) I would 
>> only get a flat or 2 per year.  Rear tires lasted a year & fronts a bit 
>> longer.  I'm doing about 3,000 miles year now so rarely deal with a flat.  
>> I also don't insist on getting the last mile out of a tire.  
>>
>> I've also tried the Marathon Mondials.  They give better traction off 
>> pavement, at a penalty in ride & weight.  
>>
>> Others have used a wide variety of tires for similar uses so you'll no 
>> doubt get plenty of responses with personal use information.  Compass, 
>> Soma, et al have all been used with good result.  The trade-off, as always, 
>> is puncture resistance and ride vs life span and flat resistance.  You may 
>> end up with your own tire inventory.  It's a harmless indulgence.  Enjoy.
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 7:31:38 PM UTC-7, Birdman wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all, 
>>>
>>> I am beyond thrilled to say that I just put a deposit down on a 64 
>>> Atlantis with a double tt! Now I get to enjoy many months of anticipation 
>>> while fantasizing about bike builds... 
>>>
>>> Speaking of which, I always rode 32mm pasellas on my Quickbeam as well 
>>> as on my current touring bike, because of its relatively narrow crown and 
>>> chain stays. The option of running larger tires on the Atlantis is part of 
>>> its appeal for me, but I don't really know where to begin. 
>>>
>>> Any tire size/brand recommendations for commuting and touring with some 
>>> gravel and dirt roads? I know it all comes down to compromises and personal 
>>> preferences, but where should I start? 
>>>
>>> Thanks. I haven't posted here in many years. It's great to be coming 
>>> back to the RBW Owners Bunch. 
>>>
>>> Isaac
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: HubbuHubbuH ride report

[Julian Westerhout]

Grand!   :)

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 2:28:41 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Yesterday the El Cerrito High School Mountain Bike Racing Team had their 
> season-end picnic in Tilden Park in the Berkeley Hills.  I brought my 
> HubbuHubbuH tandem and my mountain bike.  I was at the picnic for about 
> four hours.  During about 3.5 of those four hours, there were two high 
> schoolers joyriding the HubbuHubbuH, always smiling, usually giggling, 
> never crashing.  In a smiles-per-mile 'race', I'd put the HubbuHubbuH up 
> against any bike made by anyone, ever.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] 60cm Cheviot Owner Questions: Which Hitch-mounted Bike Racks Work & Largest Tire Width With Fenders

[Daniel Jackson]

Rene - what are the covers your refer to that interface with metal fenders on 
the 1up? I've been looking for a solid roof rack for fully fendered Rando 
machines and the 1up seems likely to damage fenders, no?

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[RBW] HubbuHubbuH ride report

[Bill Lindsay]

Yesterday the El Cerrito High School Mountain Bike Racing Team had their 
season-end picnic in Tilden Park in the Berkeley Hills.  I brought my 
HubbuHubbuH tandem and my mountain bike.  I was at the picnic for about 
four hours.  During about 3.5 of those four hours, there were two high 
schoolers joyriding the HubbuHubbuH, always smiling, usually giggling, 
never crashing.  In a smiles-per-mile 'race', I'd put the HubbuHubbuH up 
against any bike made by anyone, ever.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Atlantis! Tire question

[Ty Graham]

Hi, I'm a first run Atlantis owner (seventeen years, woot!)
I ran ruffy tuffy for a while, then Mara supremes on GP recommendation, then 
Jack Brown for many years. 
Hated the Mara Supremes. Deadest feeling tire I've ever ridden. No flats, but 
what a price to pay!
Jack Brown was pretty good, but there's so much room on Atlantis, why not 
something wider.
Simultaneously, I discovered Gran Bois Cypres on my '69 Raleigh. Great feeling 
tire for a go fast bike. 
When Compass came out with the Barlow Pass 700x38, I was first in line. I love 
this tire in both EL and regular trim. 
I rode Portland to San Francisco 2 years ago, 900 miles fully loaded on varied 
road surfaces. No flats. Not a one. 
I'm riding the coast again this year and I plan to stay with the Compass BP.

Ty Graham
Seattle

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis! Tire question

[Deacon Patrick]

Exactly. For me the Barlows on my Quickbeam and Racing Ralphs on my 
Hunqapillar are the sweet spot of cushy and thus allowing enough protecting 
for the riding I do. I can easily see how riding elsewhere would require a 
different choice -- in which case I'd try liquid latex next.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 10:58:26 AM UTC-6, Birdman wrote:
>
> Thanks Patrick, I've been looking forward to being able to go with a 
> cushier ride on the Atlantis and had no idea that it can actually help 
> resist flats. It seems i'll have to do some experimenting!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis! Tire question

[William Henderson]

Agreed. I typically ride at higher pressures (70-80psi) for my commute,
though I'll drop down for gravel rides and other such. I started with the
Soma Supple Vitesse, which are absolutely lovely but just flatted too often
for me. After a few weeks of that, I switched to the Shikoros. The do feel
a bit stiffer, but they are still quite lively. They seem to roll almost on
their own.

Curiously, the Shikoros flatted several times too – at first (including one
flat during the World Naked Bike Ride. Made for pretty awkward pumping).
This may have been terrible luck, but I wonder if the brand new tires were
somehow 'stickier' and tended to pick up glass and other debris. I got two
or three flats in the first two weeks of daily riding, and almost gave up.
I'm glad I persisted: a year and a half later I'm still riding them and I
haven't had a single flat. The tires have worn nicely, plenty of tread left
(according to Ride Report I've put 3.5k miles on them).

Best,
William

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 9:45 AM Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> In my experience, outside a glass or thorn heavy environment, a low
> inflation, wide, supple tire is its own flat protection, as the suppleness
> allows the tire to compress around sharp rocks etc. I've only gotten pinch
> flats (from underinflation) and from riding the tires after the tread was
> worn down.
>
> Patrick of the Moore swears by using liquid latex in his tubes to prevent
> flats in his goat head infested niche of the world.
>
> There seems to be a wide variety of what works for people (no doubt for a
> variety of reasons) on commutes. Experience will be the best teacher. I'd
> aim for the plushest ride first and add flat protection if you get a lot of
> flats that aren't fixed by proper inflation (which can take a bit to dial
> in -- the basic idea is just enough air to prevent pinch flats and tire
> rolls in curves).
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 10:33:48 AM UTC-6, Birdman wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, that's one I hadn't encountered before.
>>
>> What about a Compass tire-ish ride WITH flat protection?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis! Tire question

[Birdman]

Thanks Patrick, I've been looking forward to being able to go with a cushier 
ride on the Atlantis and had no idea that it can actually help resist flats. It 
seems i'll have to do some experimenting!

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis! Tire question

[Deacon Patrick]

In my experience, outside a glass or thorn heavy environment, a low 
inflation, wide, supple tire is its own flat protection, as the suppleness 
allows the tire to compress around sharp rocks etc. I've only gotten pinch 
flats (from underinflation) and from riding the tires after the tread was 
worn down.

Patrick of the Moore swears by using liquid latex in his tubes to prevent 
flats in his goat head infested niche of the world.

There seems to be a wide variety of what works for people (no doubt for a 
variety of reasons) on commutes. Experience will be the best teacher. I'd 
aim for the plushest ride first and add flat protection if you get a lot of 
flats that aren't fixed by proper inflation (which can take a bit to dial 
in -- the basic idea is just enough air to prevent pinch flats and tire 
rolls in curves).

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 10:33:48 AM UTC-6, Birdman wrote:
>
> Thanks, that's one I hadn't encountered before. 
>
> What about a Compass tire-ish ride WITH flat protection?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis! Tire question

[Birdman]

I am super-intrigued by the Shikoro tires

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlantis! Tire question

[William Henderson]

That's be the Shikoro or Jack Brown Blue, I think.

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>
> What about a Compass tire-ish ride WITH flat protection?
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[RBW] Re: Atlantis! Tire question

[Birdman]

Thanks, that's one I hadn't encountered before. 

What about a Compass tire-ish ride WITH flat protection?

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis! Tire question

[Deacon Patrick]

For a Compass tire-ish like ride (plush and smooth, without built in flat 
protection) while having knobbies, Thunder Burts (less aggressive lungs, 
slightly better on asphalt) and Racing Ralphs (more aggressive lugs, better 
in mud, snow, and loose, a bit noisier on asphalt but still quite smooth) 
are excellent options. Racing Ralphs are my Hunqa's tire for coming up on 
two years now, after a year with Thunder Burts.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 8:31:38 PM UTC-6, Birdman wrote:
>
> Hi all, 
>
> I am beyond thrilled to say that I just put a deposit down on a 64 
> Atlantis with a double tt! Now I get to enjoy many months of anticipation 
> while fantasizing about bike builds... 
>
> Speaking of which, I always rode 32mm pasellas on my Quickbeam as well as 
> on my current touring bike, because of its relatively narrow crown and 
> chain stays. The option of running larger tires on the Atlantis is part of 
> its appeal for me, but I don't really know where to begin. 
>
> Any tire size/brand recommendations for commuting and touring with some 
> gravel and dirt roads? I know it all comes down to compromises and personal 
> preferences, but where should I start? 
>
> Thanks. I haven't posted here in many years. It's great to be coming back 
> to the RBW Owners Bunch. 
>
> Isaac

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[RBW] FS: Brooks B68

[Jonathan D.]

I bought a brown brooks b68 saddle off eBay. I ended up liking the B17 for my 
Joe better and looking to sell it. I paid $80 plus shipping and would like to 
recover my money. How about $90 including shipping CONUS?

It is a discontinued saddle and the same dimensions as the B67 without springs. 
It has holes for laces. Let me know if you are interested by PM and I'll send a 
pic. 

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[RBW] Re: Comparing HHH tandem to other tandems and to single bikes

[Julian Westerhout]

Jim, 

We're un-racers as well (even have the patch, which my wife/stoker 
initially read as UN (United Nations) Racer, which caused some confusion), 
and to date we do not have lots of HHH miles yet, but based upon initial 
impressions, the Bilenky (650b x 42, S couplers, drop bar touring setup) 
is quicker on paved surfaces. I think that much of that is likely due to 
the riding position. The HHH does, by its nature, seem to encourage 
dawdling a bit more, which is not a bad thing. 

We bought it as an around town bike and for use on unpaved rail/trails like 
the KATY trail. I think on unpaved trails the HHH might be faster, if for 
no other reason than wider tires and less need to pick a line -- of course, 
unpaved riding conditions vary greatly, so 

Steve is right about a well-matched strong team being very fast. We're not 
super well matched (I'm 6'7, stoker is 5'3", with associated strength 
differences). One of the things we really love about tandems is that we can 
ride together with neither of us feeling mismatched. Even though I'd not 
characterize us as a strong, well-matched team we've been on group rides in 
which we pass folks going uphill, and we often pass folks going down. We've 
also pulled a line of 10 to 15 cyclists drafting us into a headwind for 20 
miles, but that's not our normal m.o. 

I have a Clem, an Atlantis, and a Ram in addition to the HHH. I'd say it's 
a bit faster than the Clem, a bit slower than the Atlantis, and slower than 
the Ram. 

Not sure if any of that really answers the "race" questions, as we usually 
are not going full out -- except when climbing a long hill/mountain fully 
loaded with gear and pulling a trailer, which is a different kettle of fish 
altogether... 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 




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>
> Good morning Owners Bunch (and Julian in particular if you happen to be 
> reading this),
>
> I understand that the HHH is intended to be comfortable and fun. And I am, 
> in fact, a dedicated unracer. With that said, how fast is the HHH compared 
> to other tandems? I know these things are imprecise, but assuming the same 
> riders, would the HHH lose a race to Julian's Bilenky, for example?
>
> Also, how does HHH cruising speed compare to say, a Sam or a Homer? Will 
> two riders of the same ability on an HHH beat a rider of the same ability 
> (as the HHH riders) on a Sam? If so, by a lot?
>
> (I'm just curious about these things. I have no particular agenda.)
>
> Jim Simeri
>
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Re: [RBW] 60cm Cheviot Owner Questions: Which Hitch-mounted Bike Racks Work & Largest Tire Width With Fenders

[Howard Hatten]

Rene,
If you could post a photo of your Cheviot on the 1 up I would appreciate it. 
Thanks
Howard
Livonia Mi

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Re: [RBW] Comparing HHH tandem to other tandems and to single bikes

[Patrick Moore]

Here, enjoy this one too. That's Grant showing a customer the new Rivendell
e-Bike.

https://youtu.be/IdZm-o4oJ_M?t=78

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Steve, you are much too literal.
>
> Here, enjoy this:
>
> https://youtu.be/5cioiZ54s2k?t=82
>
> On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 05/22/2017 11:42 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I once read about track tandems and how they could hit, was it 60 mph at
>> peak sprint? At any rate, quite a bit faster than track singles which top
>> out at what, 45?
>>
>> Now this leads an undisciplined imagination to conceive of a
>> Hubububwhatever on the track, capt and stoker in baggy seersucker and MUSA
>> shorts and bolt upright with sit up and beg 70 mm bars, pulling away from
>> the modern Nelson Vail. Sigh 
>>
>>
>> I saw Nelson Vails captain a tandem at Trexlertown during a ETR back some
>> years ago.  Everyone in the group swears we saw him burn rubber when he
>> decided to stop slow-racing and put down the hammer.  Any chance of an
>> equally matched team on a HHH pulling away from a track racing tandem?
>> Sure - right up to the moment the team on the racing tandem drops the
>> hammer.  And then it's  Objectts in the Rear View Mirror
>> 
>> time...
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Re: [RBW] Comparing HHH tandem to other tandems and to single bikes

[Patrick Moore]

Steve, you are much too literal.

Here, enjoy this:

https://youtu.be/5cioiZ54s2k?t=82

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 9:49 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
> On 05/22/2017 11:42 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I once read about track tandems and how they could hit, was it 60 mph at
> peak sprint? At any rate, quite a bit faster than track singles which top
> out at what, 45?
>
> Now this leads an undisciplined imagination to conceive of a
> Hubububwhatever on the track, capt and stoker in baggy seersucker and MUSA
> shorts and bolt upright with sit up and beg 70 mm bars, pulling away from
> the modern Nelson Vail. Sigh 
>
>
> I saw Nelson Vails captain a tandem at Trexlertown during a ETR back some
> years ago.  Everyone in the group swears we saw him burn rubber when he
> decided to stop slow-racing and put down the hammer.  Any chance of an
> equally matched team on a HHH pulling away from a track racing tandem?
> Sure - right up to the moment the team on the racing tandem drops the
> hammer.  And then it's  Objectts in the Rear View Mirror
> 
> time...
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Re: [RBW] Comparing HHH tandem to other tandems and to single bikes

[Steve Palincsar]

On 05/22/2017 11:42 AM, Patrick Moore wrote:
I once read about track tandems and how they could hit, was it 60 mph 
at peak sprint? At any rate, quite a bit faster than track singles 
which top out at what, 45?


Now this leads an undisciplined imagination to conceive of a 
Hubububwhatever on the track, capt and stoker in baggy seersucker and 
MUSA shorts and bolt upright with sit up and beg 70 mm bars, pulling 
away from the modern Nelson Vail. Sigh 




I saw Nelson Vails captain a tandem at Trexlertown during a ETR back 
some years ago.  Everyone in the group swears we saw him burn rubber 
when he decided to stop slow-racing and put down the hammer.  Any chance 
of an equally matched team on a HHH pulling away from a track racing 
tandem?  Sure - right up to the moment the team on the racing tandem 
drops the hammer.  And then it's Objectts in the Rear View Mirror 
 
time...


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Re: [RBW] Comparing HHH tandem to other tandems and to single bikes

[Patrick Moore]

I once read about track tandems and how they could hit, was it 60 mph at
peak sprint? At any rate, quite a bit faster than track singles which top
out at what, 45?

Now this leads an undisciplined imagination to conceive of a
Hubububwhatever on the track, capt and stoker in baggy seersucker and MUSA
shorts and bolt upright with sit up and beg 70 mm bars, pulling away from
the modern Nelson Vail. Sigh 

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

>
>
> On 05/22/2017 11:26 AM, Jim S. wrote:
>
>>
>> If a powerful tandem team is putting the pedal to the metal they can
> cruise away from any single.  The HHH's riding position may compromise that
> to some extent, but at ~25 mph it's hard to compete with the power of two
> and the wind resistance of 1.5.
>
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[RBW] Re: Dropbar Appaloosa

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hahaha...  I almost threw in three, maybe four, as the perfect number but 
held off.

It was more of a theory really, a concept if you will... :>)

No, you make great choices in bikes and I really like the bikes you have 
chosen over time.  Anyway, good bikes need good homes(!), and yours is 
definitely one of those.

Ride well!

Bob

 

On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 9:26:25 AM UTC-5, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> Thanks Bob. I'd love to get to two bikes, but I'm gonna be at three for at 
> least a while with the clementine for family rides and a sweptback 
> position.  And then there's the 2016 specialized sequoia I haven't let go 
> of yet.  
>
> And then there's the bombadil frameset. And the romulus frameset. And the 
> classic Sequoia frameset.  And the 1985 trek 620 Frameset. And a couple 
> others beside.
>
> I've really got to build a couple up and sell them off.  I may hold onto 
> the 2016 sequoia as my son likes it (it should fit him for highschool) and 
> I need a bike for occasions where it has to be locked up outside.
>
> -sky in new west
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Re: [RBW] Comparing HHH tandem to other tandems and to single bikes

[Steve Palincsar]

On 05/22/2017 11:26 AM, Jim S. wrote:
Good morning Owners Bunch (and Julian in particular if you happen to 
be reading this),


I understand that the HHH is intended to be comfortable and fun. And I 
am, in fact, a dedicated unracer. With that said, how fast is the HHH 
compared to other tandems? I know these things are imprecise, but 
assuming the same riders, would the HHH lose a race to Julian's 
Bilenky, for example?


At the speeds a tandem can achieve (I've had mine up to 65 mph) 
aerodynamic resistance is very significant.  It would be reasonable to 
expect that a tandem designed for upright riding positions of captain 
and stoker would be slower at high speed than one set up with drops and 
so forth.  In my personal experience, at the other end of the speed 
spectrum, climbing, it's mostly the team driving the tandem rather than 
the bike itself that determines which is faster.  I've seen a powerful 
team very well in synch together ride away from singles on climbs.




Also, how does HHH cruising speed compare to say, a Sam or a Homer? 
Will two riders of the same ability on an HHH beat a rider of the same 
ability (as the HHH riders) on a Sam? If so, by a lot?


If a powerful tandem team is putting the pedal to the metal they can 
cruise away from any single.  The HHH's riding position may compromise 
that to some extent, but at ~25 mph it's hard to compete with the power 
of two and the wind resistance of 1.5.



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[RBW] Comparing HHH tandem to other tandems and to single bikes

[Jim S.]

Good morning Owners Bunch (and Julian in particular if you happen to be 
reading this),

I understand that the HHH is intended to be comfortable and fun. And I am, 
in fact, a dedicated unracer. With that said, how fast is the HHH compared 
to other tandems? I know these things are imprecise, but assuming the same 
riders, would the HHH lose a race to Julian's Bilenky, for example?

Also, how does HHH cruising speed compare to say, a Sam or a Homer? Will 
two riders of the same ability on an HHH beat a rider of the same ability 
(as the HHH riders) on a Sam? If so, by a lot?

(I'm just curious about these things. I have no particular agenda.)

Jim Simeri

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bosco, Albatross, Sackville, Silver/shimano shifters, VP Pedals, Nitto Stems

[Philip Kim]

update and price drops

On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 8:39:55 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 11:05:18 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> There was some confusion as some stuff is in grey and some stuff in 
>> black here is everything still available. (also added nitto pearl stem 
>> and king cage many things cages i found while packing the sold off items). 
>>
>> thanks to everyone who bought stuff to help clear out space, you guys are 
>> definitely allowing me to make some important near-future purchases that 
>> are not bike-related (for once). i will be shipping out everything by the 
>> end of this week!
>>
>> pictures are HERE 
>> 
>>
>> prices are net to me via paypal friends and family
>>
>> Nitto Technomic Quill Stem 70mm, 25.4 clamp, 225mm height (or 160mm max 
>> height above minimum insertion line) - $30
>>
>>  
>>
>> Nitto Pearl Quill Stem 70mm, 26.0 clamp, (70mm max height from minimum 
>> insertion line) - $45
>>
>>  
>>
>> Nitto Technomic Deluxe Quill Stem 110mm, 25.4 clamp, 190mm height (or 
>> 110mm max height from minimum insertion line) - $65
>>
>>  
>>
>> (SOLD) Nitto Tallux Stem, 120mm, 25.4 clamp, 225mm height (or 160mm max 
>> height above minimum insertion line)  - $65
>>
>>  
>>
>> (SOLD) Nitto Bosco Handlebars, heat-treated, 55cm - $80
>>
>>  
>>
>> (SOLD) Rivendell Sackville Shopsack Olive - $50
>>
>>  
>>
>> (1 SOLD, 1 LEFT) King Cage Many Thing Cage x2, new comes with straps-$50 
>> each, $97 for both 
>> 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS MUSA shorts and knickers, Thomson seatpost & Schwalbe Super Moto tires 29" X 2.4"

[Bruce Smitham]

Thomson seatpost is sold

On Saturday, May 20, 2017 at 8:12:28 PM UTC-7, Bruce Smitham wrote:
>
> More items from my garage for sale:
> 2 Schwalbe Super Moto tires 29" X 2.4". Used but in excellent condition. 
> Some tubeless sealant residue but otherwise perfect $60 plus shipping CONUS
> 1 new in bag Thomson Elite seatpost. Straight, black, 27.2 X 410mm length 
> $65 plus shipping CONUS
> 1 MUSA shorts size medium in black and great condition $30 plus shipping
> 1 MUSA knickers size medium in black and good condition but small pinhole 
> on leg and no strap connector $35 plus shipping CONUS
>
> Pictures here: https://flic.kr/s/aHskZZK6NQ 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bruce in San Diego
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto S84 27.2 x 250mm Lugged Seatpost

[GSE]

Yes.

On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 3:56:14 PM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>
> Can I send you a pm about this ? 
>
> On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 4:27:02 PM UTC-4, GSE wrote:
>>
>> I am selling a Nitto S-84 lugged steel seat post.  Pictures attached.  It 
>> is 27.2 x 250 mm.  Asking $85.00 shipped to lower 48.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Dropbar Appaloosa

[Sky Coulter]

That'd be cool to see Jonathan. But for me, none of the stack and reach 
numbers on a clem would result in a good dropbar fit. Although having said 
that, a 60cm bombadil ended up being an ok fit for me with dropbars -- it 
was just that the stand over was a bit too high. Having built up the 55 
appa, I'm glad I chose it over the 58cm as I think I would have felt the 58 
was a bit higher than I'd like as well.

Sky in new west

On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 7:48:08 PM UTC-7, Jonathan D. wrote:
>
> That might  be a good excuse to get a second or a Clem. I haven't seen any 
> pics of a Clem with drops. 

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[RBW] Re: Dropbar Appaloosa

[Sky Coulter]

Thanks Bob. I'd love to get to two bikes, but I'm gonna be at three for at 
least a while with the clementine for family rides and a sweptback 
position.  And then there's the 2016 specialized sequoia I haven't let go 
of yet.  

And then there's the bombadil frameset. And the romulus frameset. And the 
classic Sequoia frameset.  And the 1985 trek 620 Frameset. And a couple 
others beside.

I've really got to build a couple up and sell them off.  I may hold onto 
the 2016 sequoia as my son likes it (it should fit him for highschool) and 
I need a bike for occasions where it has to be locked up outside.

-sky in new west


On Monday, May 22, 2017 at 4:21:08 AM UTC-7, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> It worked!  Both bikes are beautiful and the 55 Appaloosa really worked 
> well.  Not that I have previously held to the guidelines, but there is a 
> pretty good argument,, especially these days, that two bikes can cover 98% 
> of the riding we are likely to do.  And these two are perfect examples. 
>  Good eye and good choices!
>
> And thanks for including the superimposed picture.   That is a great 
> comparison.
>
> Congratulations on the new bike and build!  
>
> Here's to great rides, exploring and adventures this year,
>
> Bob L
> Galesburg, IL
>

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis! Tire question

[Birdman]

Thanks y'all, I appreciate the goodwill and good tire recommendations. I'm 
creating a list based on this thread, so feel free to keep them coming.

I'm beginning to think that having a couple of sets could be handy. One set of 
something tough (Marathons?) for 90% of my riding, which is commuting and 
erranding in the city, and a set to throw on for gravel/dirt road tours...

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[RBW] Re: 62cm Appaloosa

[REC]

I especially like the contrasting black posts/saddle/handlebars.  Looking 
forward to your touring picture.

On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 10:45:54 AM UTC-4, Jay Connolly wrote:
>
> I just received my new 62cm Appaloosa. I have been on a dozen very short 
> rides to dial in the small changes I have made to the complete build (most 
> of them unnecessary, but nonetheless a satisfying response to my bike OCD 
> and my pathological need to tinker). I tried the Albatross bar for a couple 
> of days, but I am 6'5" with a long upper body, and it was just too 
> upright--and standing to climb felt cramped and narrow. The bar is now a 
> Soma Osprey, which is 710mm wide and feels perfect. I've long been a fan of 
> Avid Single Digits and had a set in the parts bin, so a put those on, as 
> well. Just  Waiting on some 700 x 44 Compass Tires, which I will run with 
> tire liners. That will be anathema to some, but I regularly ride a stretch 
> of highway, and I've had good luck with this system in the past. Planning 
> some light touring this summer in the Yukon and Alaska, and looking forward 
> to riding this bike. Today I will get out for a long ride and see how it 
> feels after two or three hours in the saddle. 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis! Tire question

[RichS]

Birdman, congratulations on your journey to getting an Atlantis! 

I have a three year old 26" wheeled 53cm model. Tires used: Panaracer 
Paselas with Tourguard 1.5" for a more roadish feel. Compass 1.75" that 
feel sluggish on pavement but are fine on rough surfaces. Majority of my 
rides are pavement so my preference is the Paselas with 40-45 lbs of air.

Enjoy the anticipation!
Richard

On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 10:31:38 PM UTC-4, Birdman wrote:
>
> Hi all, 
>
> I am beyond thrilled to say that I just put a deposit down on a 64 
> Atlantis with a double tt! Now I get to enjoy many months of anticipation 
> while fantasizing about bike builds... 
>
> Speaking of which, I always rode 32mm pasellas on my Quickbeam as well as 
> on my current touring bike, because of its relatively narrow crown and 
> chain stays. The option of running larger tires on the Atlantis is part of 
> its appeal for me, but I don't really know where to begin. 
>
> Any tire size/brand recommendations for commuting and touring with some 
> gravel and dirt roads? I know it all comes down to compromises and personal 
> preferences, but where should I start? 
>
> Thanks. I haven't posted here in many years. It's great to be coming back 
> to the RBW Owners Bunch. 
>
> Isaac

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Re: [RBW] 60cm Cheviot Owner Questions: Which Hitch-mounted Bike Racks Work & Largest Tire Width With Fenders

[René Sterental]

I think the choice of the rack depends on whether you mind/don't mind the
rack attachments to touch your frame. If you don't, then the 1UP is the
best choice (only choice) for fendered bikes and with metal fenders
(haven't tested on plastic) their little covers hold the bike very solidly
even though you are clamping over the rear fender. I've driven hours on the
freeway with my fendered bike(s) on the 1UP with no issues at all.

If you don't mind the bike being held by the frame + tires, then any of the
tray + top tube racks work. Saris, Thule and Yakima offer variations on the
theme.

IMO, the one huge practical advantage of the single 1UP (you can manually
add up to three racks for those occasions, is that as I stated, I can leave
it permanently attached to the rear of the car and don't need to be
folding/unfolding it every time I need to put something in the back. Since
most of the time I'm just taking my bike somewhere for a ride, and it's
only on special occasions that I drive more people/bikes, this works
stupendously for me.  And, as stated, the 60 Cheviot fits perfectly.

René

On Mon, May 22, 2017 at 3:41 PM Howard Hatten  wrote:

> 2. I second the saris freedom for the 60 Cheviot. I use it weekly and it
> is a solid platform for the step through frame.
>
> 3 I'm using the VO Zepplin 52 fenders with Compass Snoqualmie pass tires.
> The rear fender fit under the tectro r559 brake but I had to use a Paul
> racer brake on the front for clearance.  I don't ride this bike off road
> much but if I did I would look for smaller tires to get some more clearance.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/gp/136422809@N08/R436zw
>
> Enjoy the Chevs
> Howard
> Livonia Mi
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[RBW] 60cm Cheviot Owner Questions: Which Hitch-mounted Bike Racks Work & Largest Tire Width With Fenders

[Howard Hatten]

2. I second the saris freedom for the 60 Cheviot. I use it weekly and it is a 
solid platform for the step through frame. 

3 I'm using the VO Zepplin 52 fenders with Compass Snoqualmie pass tires. The 
rear fender fit under the tectro r559 brake but I had to use a Paul racer brake 
on the front for clearance.  I don't ride this bike off road much but if I did 
I would look for smaller tires to get some more clearance. 

https://www.flickr.com/gp/136422809@N08/R436zw

Enjoy the Chevs 
Howard
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[RBW] 62cm Appaloosa

[William R.]

Nice Jay! Enjoy it! I love seeing all of these different Appaloosa builds. The 
silver looks great and I like how the Soma bar and other black bits tie in. 

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Dropbar Appaloosa

[William R.]

Well there's a couple of nice looking bikes Sky! The Appaloosa looks nice, long 
and low. I am on my iPhone but will try to open your super imposed image later 
in a photo app. I will never say never but I'm thinking drops aren't for me on 
my Appaloosa. I can dig it though. Interested in hearing your long term 
impressions of it. Enjoy!

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] 60cm Cheviot Owner Questions: Which Hitch-mounted Bike Racks Work & Largest Tire Width With Fenders

[Ryan Thompson]

2. Saris Freedom 2 or 4. This is the only rack I've found which can securely 
hold my bikes and not damage the fenders. It also fits our 60cm Cheviot. I've 
taken this rack and my Rivs on multiple cross country trips and never worry 
about the bikes. 

3.  I currently have Soma C-lines, 38c, on the Chev which gives plenty of 
fender clearance but have also run Marathon Supremes, 42c, without an issue. I 
have 44c Soma Shikoros on my Sam Hillborne with fenders but there is very 
little clearance between the tire and fender. 

Ryan
Arlington, VA

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis! Tire question

[John G.]

You're going to love your Atlantis!

I'm running a set of Compass Snoqualmie Pass (44mm) on Atlas rims. They're 
nice and zippy, and really plush--a good transition if you're accustomed to 
riding 32mm tires. I like them a lot more than Schwalbe Big Bens. People 
say they have flat issues with them, but I've had only one (caused by a 
roofing nail) in a few months.

On Sunday, May 21, 2017 at 10:31:38 PM UTC-4, Birdman wrote:
>
> Hi all, 
>
> I am beyond thrilled to say that I just put a deposit down on a 64 
> Atlantis with a double tt! Now I get to enjoy many months of anticipation 
> while fantasizing about bike builds... 
>
> Speaking of which, I always rode 32mm pasellas on my Quickbeam as well as 
> on my current touring bike, because of its relatively narrow crown and 
> chain stays. The option of running larger tires on the Atlantis is part of 
> its appeal for me, but I don't really know where to begin. 
>
> Any tire size/brand recommendations for commuting and touring with some 
> gravel and dirt roads? I know it all comes down to compromises and personal 
> preferences, but where should I start? 
>
> Thanks. I haven't posted here in many years. It's great to be coming back 
> to the RBW Owners Bunch. 
>
> Isaac

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[RBW] Re: Dropbar Appaloosa

[Bob Lovejoy]

It worked!  Both bikes are beautiful and the 55 Appaloosa really worked 
well.  Not that I have previously held to the guidelines, but there is a 
pretty good argument,, especially these days, that two bikes can cover 98% 
of the riding we are likely to do.  And these two are perfect examples. 
 Good eye and good choices!

And thanks for including the superimposed picture.   That is a great 
comparison.

Congratulations on the new bike and build!  

Here's to great rides, exploring and adventures this year,

Bob L
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] FS: Acorn & Ortlieb Bags, Racks, Berthoud Decaleurs & what’s left from previous listings (price drop

[Eric Douglas]

 

I’m continuing to purge/downsize.  All prices include shipping with the 
lower 48.

 

It’s best to contact me at ekdouglas (at) mindspring.com

 

 Acorn Boxy Rando Bag Ranger Tan. New. Last year’s model (see photo)   180

 

Acorn Boxy Rado Bag Black  Used for two dry rides. Last year’s model (see 
photo)   170

 

Ortlieb Seatpost Bag M  https://ortliebusa.com/product/seatpost-bag/  70 
Used once.

 

Ortlieb Seatpost Bag S   https://ortliebusa.com/product/seatpost-bag/  55 
New

 

Tubus Cargo Used but in  fine  condition $70

 

Ortlieb Back Roller Plus Pro in Black 
https://ortliebusa.com/product/back-roller-pro-plus-3/  165 New

 

Nitto M18 Front Rack  
http://www.benscycle.com/p-2105-nitto-m18-front-rack.aspx  New  90

 

Gilles Berthoud Front Decaleurs Ahead Stem New, 65 each

 

70AH  2 available

91AH  2 available

121AH  2 available

http://www.benscycle.com/p-102-gilles-berthoud-front-handlebar-bag-decaleur-ahead-stem-ah-50.aspx

 

*Still available from previous listings*:

 

Photos still at  https://www.flickr.com/gp/147685640@N03/1gi0d7

 

All princes now include shipping

 

 

Wheelset 1:  Velocity P35 700c laced with  36 double butted spokes to an 
Alfine dymano front hub and an Shimano SLX rear. Centerlock. New. Asking 
300.

 

Wheelset 3: Mavic Open Pro 700c laced with  36 double butted spokes to an 
SON Deux front hub and an Shimano 9 speed XT rear hub. The front wheel had 
seen about 600 dry miles, the rear less than 100. Asking 360.

 

Wheelset 4: Velocity P35 26” laced with  36 double butted spokes to an 
Alfine dymano front hub and an Shimano SLX rear. Centerlock. 30 dry miles. 
Asking 280.
  Individual wheel #1 130 or 135 (your choice) Surly fixed/free hub laced 
with 32 double butted spokes to a 700c Velocity Dyad rim.  New.  Asking 130 
  Individual wheel #2 135  White Eno Eccentic fixed/free hub laced with 32 
double butted spokes to a 700c Sun SR-18 rim.   Includes New 16T White 
Industries 16T Cog and lockring. New.  Asking 170.   Tires: All tires are 
new Schwalbe Kojak 700x35  45 pair Schwalbe Thunderburt  Liteskin 29x2.1  70 
pair   Studded Tires!!!  Out of season discount. All tires are new. 45nrth 
Nicotine 29x2.35 folding studded tires. 120 pair Schwalbe Ice Spiker 
26x2.35 folding studded tires. 100 pair Schwalbe Marathon Winter 700x50  80 
pair Nokian Mount and Ground 26x1.9 70 pair   

*Bilenky Custom Frame 2.* Fillet brazed, with clearance for 700 x 44 tires 
with fenders  Powdercoated  deep green matching front and rear racks. Rear 
rack is a Tubus Cargo, front is a Bilenky custom. Curved chainstays for 
heel clearance.  .Braze-ons for racks, fenders, four water bottles, etc. 1” 
threaded headset. About 200 miles on frame.   Current price for new frame, 
headset and racks would be about $3500. Asking $1400

 

Original plans available upon request

 

Top tube: 56cm  c-c

Virtual Top Tube  57cm

Seat tube: 55cm c-t

Chainstays: 44.5

BB Drop 8cm

Seat tube angle: 72

Head tube angle 72.5

Seatpost: 27.2

135 rear spacing

Standover with 700 x 38 tires 80cm

 

 

*Bilenky Custom Frame 3*  Powdercoated gray pearl. Fillet brazed, with 
clearance for 700 x 2.35 tires with fenders  I had this built when I 
thought I was going to do a lot more riding in Montana, perhaps with a 
Rohloff hub.  It’s equipped for either dics or cantis and has a Phil Wood 
eccentric bottom bracket. Curved chainstays for heel clearance. . Braze-ons 
for racks, fenders, four water bottles, etc. Current price for new frame, 
would be about $3500. Asking $1400. Pristine except for one small paint 
chip (shop)  on the top tube.

 

Original plans available upon request

 

Top tube: 55cm  c-c

Virtual Top Tube  57cm

Seat tube: 52cm c-c

Chainstays: 46cm

BB Drop 8cm

Seat tube angle: 72

Head tube angle 72.5

Seatpost: 27.2

135 rear spacing

Standover with 29 x 2.1 tires  80cm
  

 

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Re: [RBW] 60cm Cheviot Owner Questions: Which Hitch-mounted Bike Racks Work & Largest Tire Width With Fenders

[René Sterental]

I'm using the 1up rack with no issues on my 60cm Cheviot with the 44mm
Compass tires and 51mm Honjo fenders.

I bought the 1up Super Duty 2" single carrier + 1 bike extension which
allows me to leave it permanently on my Highlander and doesn't interfere
with opening the rear hatch when folded up. I add the second one only when
necessary.

Haven't measured the exact wheelbase, can do it when I go home on Friday
(traveling on business this week) but haven't had any issues. There are
some tips I can give you on positioning the bike with the fenders, but
they're very easy to figure out.

Those who've used wider tires can only fit them with plastic fenders, that
have less wraparound coverage in terms of width.

With Honjo, the ideal tire is the 38mm for perfect safe clearance, but for
city riding, you can get away with the 44mm tires comfortably. If you check
my photos, you can see it clearly. You do need to go with wider centerpull
brakes. https://flic.kr/p/N3JTfB

René


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