[RBW] Re: WTB: WI Dos Eno 16/19t

[Jonathan D.]

I am curious. What is the benefit of writing up your bike this way versus the 
usual geared bike. Is if the simplicity? The Quickbeam is beautiful and I like 
reading the ride reports.  

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[RBW] Re: WTB: WI Dos Eno 16/19t

[Deacon Patrick]

I wouldn't make the one link change for fender line. Grin. But you can 
decide for yourself:

http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/quickbeam-century
and
http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/mudbeam-aka-quickbeam-rides-rampart-reservoir

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 5:15:08 PM UTC-6, Birdman wrote:
>
> Thanks Kai.
>
> @Patrick, I ride in Portland, OR, with 95% of the time in the 40x16. Rides 
> in Forest Park and the west hills require the switch to a lower gear. 
> Honestly, the 32x18 is fine for what I ride. Riding year round in Portland 
> necessitates fenders, though, and I suspect that 16/19 will allow me to 
> switch between gears with less axle movement for a better fenderline with 
> my 38mm tires. Your thoughts?
>

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Re: [RBW] Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[Steve Palincsar]

On 07/23/2017 10:14 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
Wow. That Jack Taylor is gorgeous, and the build is beautiful and 
meticulous. Is that the frame that was for sale here a while back?


Thanks!  Yes, that's the one.


If so, glad I didn't get my grubby hands on it. (My builds are 
generally toward the other end of the spectrum...beausage and casual?)


Are those the VO cage mounts? If so, what are the cages?


Zefal Retro cages (the only ones I found that still had the long tabs 
for clamp-on mounting) and NOS TA alloy clamps.  Seems the new ones you 
find only fit OS tubing, which is curious because every OS bike I've 
ever looked at already had brazed on water bottle cage mounts.  You can 
get the TA clamps two ways on ebay: no packaging, no screws, ten bucks 
enough for one cage; or, in the original paper envelope with screws, a 
hundred bucks.  Those are some expensive paper envelopes!






On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 5:27:56 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:



On 07/23/2017 04:22 PM, Lesli Larson wrote:

Patrick-

As always - thanks for your wisdom. I'm definitely looking for
functional vintage over spendy pretty bits.

The bike will be for serious rando so durability is an issue. I
just don't like how most new/tech parts look so I'm always erring
on side of shopping from the past where I can secure something
that will look nice and still perform a job.

I'm very intersted in Shimanon derailleurs that you mention. I'm
just not sure which vintage to target.


It's hard to go wrong with any of the Deore XT / XTR Shimano MTBs
of the 8 or 9 speed eras, except for "Rapid Rise". They all work
wonderfully.   And they index really well, too.   Hard for me to
accept that they're "vintage" technology and I don't consider them
so.

Friction shifting Hyperglide is all very well and good, and except
for the lack of auditory feedback and a relentless desire to ghost
shift built into its basic nature - in many ways better than
friction shifting ever was back in the 1970s - but for a serious
randonneur it's hard for me to see the point.  Indexing just plain
works better -- at least setups with bar end shifters and 8 or 9
speed wide range cassettes -- and you don't have to fuss over it
or concentrate very hard on it to make it work well.

It's one thing to set up a bike for Eroica-esque historical
re-enactment, it's a whole different thing to set a bike up for
randonneuring.  I'm sure nobody would suggest "vintage" bottle
generators and Jos incandescent lights for real honest to god
brevets; as far as I'm concerned it's the same for drivetrains.

Here's my latest (and also my oldest).  The frame happens to be
from 1963.  The drive train is as contemporary-functional as it
gets: XTR M900 crank & rear derailleur, circa 2002 9 speed XT
front derailleur (although just about anything including the
Campagnolo Nuovo Record I took off my Paramount back in 1975 would
probably work just as well), NOS 8 speed Shimano bar end shifters
and a customized 12-32 8 speed Sunrace cassette I turned into a
13-32.   The range and spacing suit this frame very well, better I
think than a 9 speed of the same range would do.



The front wheel came off my VO Randonneur when thanks to Bosch's
settlement on the VW Diesel Emissions Scandal I upgraded the front
wheel to the lastest Son Delux Widebody, and the brakes are Mafac
Racers Igor worked over and made as new.  The brake levers are Dia
Compe aero levers I got somewhere and didn't even remember I had,
probably came on my Alex Moulton AM.   I've got the parts but
haven't finished the lighting yet - still recovering from the epic
struggle of putting fenders on this bike.



I'm current running friction on my bike with a TA crank and XTR
rear. Not sure about the front derailleur.

This bike has a compact double with a wide cluster in the back -
requiring medium/long cage rd.

I use the Tektro levers with the quick release button. I'd like
to buy vintage aero levers if i can find one with the equivalent
reach.

I'm also looking for a lightweight handlebar that works for
smaller hands. I use an on one midge bars which I like because of
the short reach and wide top part. Most of the Nitto offerings
are just too large/wide.  I need something with a shallow drop.

Not sure if anyone is making lightweight classic looking parts
(ala Nitto) for smaller/shorter cyclists (and women).


On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 3:46:39 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore
wrote:

Leslie: It all depends what you mean by "vintage." Some
"vintage" bits are exorbitantly expensive -- Dura Ace 7410
brake lever hoods. Others are still very reasonable --
Shimano 600 levers. 9 speed LX derailleurs IME shift
wonderfully; are those old enough 

Re: [RBW] Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Wow. That Jack Taylor is gorgeous, and the build is beautiful and 
meticulous. Is that the frame that was for sale here a while back? If so, 
glad I didn't get my grubby hands on it. (My builds are generally toward 
the other end of the spectrum...beausage and casual?)

Are those the VO cage mounts? If so, what are the cages?

On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 5:27:56 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 07/23/2017 04:22 PM, Lesli Larson wrote:
>
> Patrick- 
>
> As always - thanks for your wisdom. I'm definitely looking for functional 
> vintage over spendy pretty bits. 
>
> The bike will be for serious rando so durability is an issue. I just don't 
> like how most new/tech parts look so I'm always erring on side of shopping 
> from the past where I can secure something that will look nice and still 
> perform a job. 
>
> I'm very intersted in Shimanon derailleurs that you mention. I'm just not 
> sure which vintage to target.
>
>
> It's hard to go wrong with any of the Deore XT / XTR Shimano MTBs of the 8 
> or 9 speed eras, except for "Rapid Rise".  They all work wonderfully.   And 
> they index really well, too.   Hard for me to accept that they're "vintage" 
> technology and I don't consider them so.  
>
> Friction shifting Hyperglide is all very well and good, and except for the 
> lack of auditory feedback and a relentless desire to ghost shift built into 
> its basic nature - in many ways better than friction shifting ever was back 
> in the 1970s - but for a serious randonneur it's hard for me to see the 
> point.  Indexing just plain works better -- at least setups with bar end 
> shifters and 8 or 9 speed wide range cassettes -- and you don't have to 
> fuss over it or concentrate very hard on it to make it work well.   
>
> It's one thing to set up a bike for Eroica-esque historical re-enactment, 
> it's a whole different thing to set a bike up for randonneuring.  I'm sure 
> nobody would suggest "vintage" bottle generators and Jos incandescent 
> lights for real honest to god brevets; as far as I'm concerned it's the 
> same for drivetrains.   
>
> Here's my latest (and also my oldest).  The frame happens to be from 
> 1963.  The drive train is as contemporary-functional as it gets: XTR M900 
> crank & rear derailleur, circa 2002 9 speed XT front derailleur (although 
> just about anything including the Campagnolo Nuovo Record I took off my 
> Paramount back in 1975 would probably work just as well), NOS 8 speed 
> Shimano bar end shifters and a customized 12-32 8 speed Sunrace cassette I 
> turned into a 13-32.   The range and spacing suit this frame very well, 
> better I think than a 9 speed of the same range would do.
>
>
>
> The front wheel came off my VO Randonneur when thanks to Bosch's 
> settlement on the VW Diesel Emissions Scandal I upgraded the front wheel to 
> the lastest Son Delux Widebody, and the brakes are Mafac Racers Igor worked 
> over and made as new.  The brake levers are Dia Compe aero levers I got 
> somewhere and didn't even remember I had, probably came on my Alex Moulton 
> AM.   I've got the parts but haven't finished the lighting yet - still 
> recovering from the epic struggle of putting fenders on this bike.
>
>
> I'm current running friction on my bike with a TA crank and XTR rear. Not 
> sure about the front derailleur. 
>
> This bike has a compact double with a wide cluster in the back - requiring 
> medium/long cage rd.
>
> I use the Tektro levers with the quick release button. I'd like to buy 
> vintage aero levers if i can find one with the equivalent reach.
>
> I'm also looking for a lightweight handlebar that works for smaller hands. 
> I use an on one midge bars which I like because of the short reach and wide 
> top part. Most of the Nitto offerings are just too large/wide.  I need 
> something with a shallow drop.
>
> Not sure if anyone is making lightweight classic looking parts (ala Nitto) 
> for smaller/shorter cyclists (and women).
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 3:46:39 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote: 
>>
>> Leslie: It all depends what you mean by "vintage." Some "vintage" bits 
>> are exorbitantly expensive -- Dura Ace 7410 brake lever hoods. Others are 
>> still very reasonable -- Shimano 600 levers. 9 speed LX derailleurs IME 
>> shift wonderfully; are those old enough to be "vintage"? 
>>
>> 10 speed? 9? 8? 7? Fixed?
>>
>> And what sort of stuff. Racer? Mountain bike? Just ride?
>>
>> You can find on this list, on other lists, and on eBay, enough decent 
>> non-current drivetrain, wheel, and other bits to build up a very nicely 
>> working bike for far, far less than you'd pay for current, mid-level 
>> Shimano bits. In fact, if there is a good bike shop near you, you may well 
>> find bins and piles of abandoned 8 and 9 speed bits that work perfectly 
>> well and that you can buy for pennies on the dollar. I know that I can do 
>> this at 2 bike shops within 8 miles of where I live.
>>
>> My favorites, discounting my "style" affectation 

[RBW] Re: WTB: new or nearly new black or honey Brooks Flyer

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi Roberta,

I do not have a Flyer but I will recommend keeping an eye on Bill Laine's 
(wallbikeparts) sales on ebay.  Bill owned and ran Wallingford Bike Parts 
before retiring (I think) and now sells stock on eBay.  He is highly 
respected and, from everything I know I know, one of the best...

An example:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NOS-Brooks-Countess-saddle-rare-/112485305813?hash=item1a30a58dd5:g:F9IAAOSwq~tZQA4q

Good luck in the search!

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL


On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 8:26:43 PM UTC-5, REC wrote:
>
> I'd like to try a Brooks Flyer on my Joe Appaloosa.  It currently has a 
> B17 saddle. 
>
>  
>
> Does anyone have either a new or nearly new black or honey Flyer you want 
> to sell?  Please PM me and let me know how much you'd like.  I missed out 
> on one recently offered here.
>
>  
>
> Thanks,
>
> Roberta
>

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[RBW] Re: Ride report / 1st tour on my Cheviot

[Bob Lovejoy]

Thanks for the write-up, the pictures and for doing that!  It looked 
perfect to me, the kind of ride and adventure that calls to me and probably 
calls out to just about anyone.  How could it not?  I do not live by good 
trails like that, at least not that I know of or know to be accessible (car 
free accessible anyway), but I do live in a town with good Amtrak service. 
 I think an adventure, something very much like yours, just has to happen 
for me soon, certainly this year.

Thanks for posting this!  Excellent ride, great adventure, true 
friendship...

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL  
>
>

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[RBW] WTB: new or nearly new black or honey Brooks Flyer

[Jonathan D.]

Amazon has an open box one like new for $97 with free shipping. 

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[RBW] Re: Ride report / 1st tour on my Cheviot

[REC]

What a lovely ride; thanks for sharing.  It looks doable for those of us 
(me) not in good shape. Thanks, also, for the links.

Roberta

On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 7:21:13 PM UTC-4, WETH wrote:

> Ride report/ first tour on Cheviot
>
> After commuting 1500 miles since October on my 60cm Cheviot, I figured it 
> was past time to undertake a tour with it.  My ride report on the credit 
> card tour is here:
> https://lightofferings.wordpress.com/2017/07/23/gap-trail-july-2017/
>
> The Cheviot of course lived up to my expectations.  Loaded with a large 
> Saddlesack on the rear and a basket with a Shopsack on the front, it was 
> steady, quick when needed, and comfortable.  My daily commute is 8 miles 
> each way with stops about every 2 miles for traffic lights.  I did need to 
> tweak handlebar height and angle so I was comfortable for longer distances 
> without a break.  I circumvented the single set of bottle mounts on the 
> Cheviot by carrying a bottle in the front basket and one in the Saddlesack, 
> a workable solution.  The Shopsack held my clothes and toiletries, and the 
> Saddlesack housed tools, snacks, extra sandals, raincoat, and 1st aid kit, 
> with plenty of room to add a tent and sleeping bag for when I camp.  I look 
> forward to more touring on this great bike!
>
>

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[RBW] WTB: new or nearly new black or honey Brooks Flyer

[REC]

 

I'd like to try a Brooks Flyer on my Joe Appaloosa.  It currently has a B17 
saddle. 

 

Does anyone have either a new or nearly new black or honey Flyer you want 
to sell?  Please PM me and let me know how much you'd like.  I missed out 
on one recently offered here.

 

Thanks,

Roberta

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[RBW] WTB: New or nearly new Brooks flyer--black or honey (ignore other post with same subject)

[REC]

 

I'd like to change my B17 saddle on my Joe Appaloosa for a black or honey 
Flyer. 

 

Does anyone have either a new or nearly new (in good shape) Flyer you'd 
want to sell?  Please PM me and let me know how much you'd like.  I missed 
out on one recently offered here.

 

Thanks,

Roberta

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[RBW] WTB: New or nearly new Brooks flyer--black or honey

[REC]

Wanting to change my B17 saddle on my Joe Appaloosa for a black or honey 
Flyer. 

Does anyone have either a new or nearly new (in good shape) one you'd want 
to sell?  Please PM me and let me know how much you'd like.  I missed out 
on one recently offered here.

Thanks,
Roberta

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[RBW] Re: FS: (bump, price drops, additional items) Nitto, Deerhead, Crust, Campy

[Patch T]

PM sent.

On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 1:49:46 PM UTC-7, jinxed wrote:
>
> Patch, tried to email about the crust stem but it bounced because of my 
> yahoo address. Can you send a PM?
>
> Thanks,
> Brad
>

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[RBW] Simworks Fun3 bar- reviews?

[drew]

Anyone tried the simworks/nitto fun3 handlebar and have any opinion about it?

https://www.sim.works/collections/home/products/fun-3-bar

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[RBW] Ride report / 1st tour on my Cheviot

[WETH]

Ride report/ first tour on Cheviot

After commuting 1500 miles since October on my 60cm Cheviot, I figured it was 
past time to undertake a tour with it.  My ride report on the credit card tour 
is here:
https://lightofferings.wordpress.com/2017/07/23/gap-trail-july-2017/

The Cheviot of course lived up to my expectations.  Loaded with a large 
Saddlesack on the rear and a basket with a Shopsack on the front, it was 
steady, quick when needed, and comfortable.  My daily commute is 8 miles each 
way with stops about every 2 miles for traffic lights.  I did need to tweak 
handlebar height and angle so I was comfortable for longer distances without a 
break.  I circumvented the single set of bottle mounts on the Cheviot by 
carrying a bottle in the front basket and one in the Saddlesack, a workable 
solution.  The Shopsack held my clothes and toiletries, and the Saddlesack 
housed tools, snacks, extra sandals, raincoat, and 1st aid kit, with plenty of 
room to add a tent and sleeping bag for when I camp.  I look forward to more 
touring on this great bike!

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[RBW] WTB: WI Dos Eno 16/19t

[Birdman]

Thanks Kai.

@Patrick, I ride in Portland, OR, with 95% of the time in the 40x16. Rides in 
Forest Park and the west hills require the switch to a lower gear. Honestly, 
the 32x18 is fine for what I ride. Riding year round in Portland necessitates 
fenders, though, and I suspect that 16/19 will allow me to switch between gears 
with less axle movement for a better fenderline with my 38mm tires. Your 
thoughts?

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Hunqapillar 48cm (76-83 PBH)

[davecstein]

Lights are sold. Wheelset and rear rack remain. 

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Re: [RBW] Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[John Hawrylak]

Lesli

I agree with Steve's comments.  A new Deore, e.g. M591, would be much 
better than vintage.  The points have better coatings and are freshly 
lubed, and the range is larger than vintages.  Also, the price is very 
reasonable, $39.99 for a Deore M591.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ.

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[RBW] Re: Wheel for Sam

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

What size is your wheel ? A good middle of the road rim with high 
quality is the Mavic A-319 700c. 
https://shop.mavic.com/en-us/a-319-j24500.html#1028=3389&1035=3501
Jon

On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 2:13:10 PM UTC-6, Carla Waugh wrote:

> My shop is building me a dyno hub wheel and I may be getting a new rim if 
> you have suggestions let me know. Thanks

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Re: [RBW] Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[Steve Palincsar]

On 07/23/2017 04:22 PM, Lesli Larson wrote:

Patrick-

As always - thanks for your wisdom. I'm definitely looking for 
functional vintage over spendy pretty bits.


The bike will be for serious rando so durability is an issue. I just 
don't like how most new/tech parts look so I'm always erring on side 
of shopping from the past where I can secure something that will look 
nice and still perform a job.


I'm very intersted in Shimanon derailleurs that you mention. I'm just 
not sure which vintage to target.


It's hard to go wrong with any of the Deore XT / XTR Shimano MTBs of the 
8 or 9 speed eras, except for "Rapid Rise".  They all work 
wonderfully.   And they index really well, too.   Hard for me to accept 
that they're "vintage" technology and I don't consider them so.


Friction shifting Hyperglide is all very well and good, and except for 
the lack of auditory feedback and a relentless desire to ghost shift 
built into its basic nature - in many ways better than friction shifting 
ever was back in the 1970s - but for a serious randonneur it's hard for 
me to see the point.  Indexing just plain works better -- at least 
setups with bar end shifters and 8 or 9 speed wide range cassettes -- 
and you don't have to fuss over it or concentrate very hard on it to 
make it work well.


It's one thing to set up a bike for Eroica-esque historical 
re-enactment, it's a whole different thing to set a bike up for 
randonneuring.  I'm sure nobody would suggest "vintage" bottle 
generators and Jos incandescent lights for real honest to god brevets; 
as far as I'm concerned it's the same for drivetrains.


Here's my latest (and also my oldest).  The frame happens to be from 
1963.  The drive train is as contemporary-functional as it gets: XTR 
M900 crank & rear derailleur, circa 2002 9 speed XT front derailleur 
(although just about anything including the Campagnolo Nuovo Record I 
took off my Paramount back in 1975 would probably work just as well), 
NOS 8 speed Shimano bar end shifters and a customized 12-32 8 speed 
Sunrace cassette I turned into a 13-32. The range and spacing suit this 
frame very well, better I think than a 9 speed of the same range would do.




The front wheel came off my VO Randonneur when thanks to Bosch's 
settlement on the VW Diesel Emissions Scandal I upgraded the front wheel 
to the lastest Son Delux Widebody, and the brakes are Mafac Racers Igor 
worked over and made as new.  The brake levers are Dia Compe aero levers 
I got somewhere and didn't even remember I had, probably came on my Alex 
Moulton AM.   I've got the parts but haven't finished the lighting yet - 
still recovering from the epic struggle of putting fenders on this bike.




I'm current running friction on my bike with a TA crank and XTR rear. 
Not sure about the front derailleur.


This bike has a compact double with a wide cluster in the back - 
requiring medium/long cage rd.


I use the Tektro levers with the quick release button. I'd like to buy 
vintage aero levers if i can find one with the equivalent reach.


I'm also looking for a lightweight handlebar that works for smaller 
hands. I use an on one midge bars which I like because of the short 
reach and wide top part. Most of the Nitto offerings are just too 
large/wide.  I need something with a shallow drop.


Not sure if anyone is making lightweight classic looking parts (ala 
Nitto) for smaller/shorter cyclists (and women).



On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 3:46:39 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

Leslie: It all depends what you mean by "vintage." Some "vintage"
bits are exorbitantly expensive -- Dura Ace 7410 brake lever
hoods. Others are still very reasonable -- Shimano 600 levers. 9
speed LX derailleurs IME shift wonderfully; are those old enough
to be "vintage"?

10 speed? 9? 8? 7? Fixed?

And what sort of stuff. Racer? Mountain bike? Just ride?

You can find on this list, on other lists, and on eBay, enough
decent non-current drivetrain, wheel, and other bits to build up a
very nicely working bike for far, far less than you'd pay for
current, mid-level Shimano bits. In fact, if there is a good bike
shop near you, you may well find bins and piles of abandoned 8 and
9 speed bits that work perfectly well and that you can buy for
pennies on the dollar. I know that I can do this at 2 bike shops
within 8 miles of where I live.

My favorites, discounting my "style" affectation for 8-speed era
Dura Ace: old 8 speed XT derailleurs, cranks, and hubs and, even
older, pre-XT "Deore" 7 speed stuff, which may well have been the
same stuff as the 8 speed XT, just with different name and
slightly different appearance.

FWIW, I'm a man (I deprecate using "male" and "female" instead of
"man" and "woman", and I hate using "gender" instead of the proper
word, "sex" -- nouns have gender, people have sexes, though only 1
each), but I have small, elegant, but bigger than Trumps 

[RBW] FS: Minoura RS-5000 Bike Work Stand w/ post grabber - $200 (highland park 90042)

[Kendallspower]

I used it maybe one time.

kendallfa...@gmail.com

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Hunqapillar 48cm (76-83 PBH)

[davecstein]

I would consider just the dynamo wheel though I'd prefer to sell as a set. I'm 
going to keep the albastache setup for another bike.

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[RBW] Re: FS: (bump, price drops, additional items) Nitto, Deerhead, Crust, Campy

['jinxed' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Patch, tried to email about the crust stem but it bounced because of my 
yahoo address. Can you send a PM?

Thanks,
Brad

On Tuesday, July 18, 2017 at 10:46:52 AM UTC-6, Patch T wrote:
>
>
> -- CRUST LD STEM clearcoat; mounted and ridden around the block once, 
> includes all original hardware & spacers, excellent condition *$100?*
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[Lesli Larson]

Beautiful! I've always loved SunTour. Thanks for the info and gear chart!

On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 5:27:38 PM UTC-7, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> IMO, SunTour are the best RD and Shimano the best FD, they can still be 
> found with realistic prices, sometimes even NOS.  .  
> So I'll show my favorite drivetrains, which everyone else has seen.  
> '74 Raleigh International
>
>   
>
> Cyclone GT RD, 12-30t SunTour Winner 7; Shimano 600EX FD, Sun XCD crank 
> arms with TA rings, 46/32/26T half-steps plus granny.  The RD chain wrap 
> and FD cage clear everything except the 26T/12t combination, which isn't 
> needed.  
>
> *Here's the gear chart 
> *
>
>
> More recent 3x5 on a '57 Raleigh Lenton GP
>
>   
>
> RD is SunTour VGT, IRD 13-28t 5sp freewheel; Sun XCD arms with TA 
> 47/42/26T half-steps plus granny.  *Here's that gear chart 
> *.
>  
>  Every gear combination works with complete coverage and clearance, and is 
> useful.  
>
> The FD is 1st Cyclone, which I used because I could attach the Simplex 
> chain guard by replacing the band clamp bolt with a computer board 
> standoff, along with the stock Simplex hardware.  
>
> Both bikes have Phil freewheel hubs, the International 126mm OLD, and the 
> Lenton is special with custom Phil hubs at 115mm OLD with 8mm axles.  
>
> You can get 5/6/7 cassette hubs and Shimano cassettes for them from *Grand 
> Bois * and 
> Compass
>
> A modern long-cage RD I can strongly recommend is Microshift R10.  
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Crowd sourcing ideas for vintage parts for a new randonneuring rig (semi sort of WTB)

[Lesli Larson]

Patrick-

As always - thanks for your wisdom. I'm definitely looking for functional 
vintage over spendy pretty bits. 

The bike will be for serious rando so durability is an issue. I just don't 
like how most new/tech parts look so I'm always erring on side of shopping 
from the past where I can secure something that will look nice and still 
perform a job. 

I'm very intersted in Shimanon derailleurs that you mention. I'm just not 
sure which vintage to target.

I'm current running friction on my bike with a TA crank and XTR rear. Not 
sure about the front derailleur. 

This bike has a compact double with a wide cluster in the back - requiring 
medium/long cage rd.

I use the Tektro levers with the quick release button. I'd like to buy 
vintage aero levers if i can find one with the equivalent reach.

I'm also looking for a lightweight handlebar that works for smaller hands. 
I use an on one midge bars which I like because of the short reach and wide 
top part. Most of the Nitto offerings are just too large/wide.  I need 
something with a shallow drop.

Not sure if anyone is making lightweight classic looking parts (ala Nitto) 
for smaller/shorter cyclists (and women).


On Wednesday, July 19, 2017 at 3:46:39 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Leslie: It all depends what you mean by "vintage." Some "vintage" bits are 
> exorbitantly expensive -- Dura Ace 7410 brake lever hoods. Others are still 
> very reasonable -- Shimano 600 levers. 9 speed LX derailleurs IME shift 
> wonderfully; are those old enough to be "vintage"?
>
> 10 speed? 9? 8? 7? Fixed?
>
> And what sort of stuff. Racer? Mountain bike? Just ride?
>
> You can find on this list, on other lists, and on eBay, enough decent 
> non-current drivetrain, wheel, and other bits to build up a very nicely 
> working bike for far, far less than you'd pay for current, mid-level 
> Shimano bits. In fact, if there is a good bike shop near you, you may well 
> find bins and piles of abandoned 8 and 9 speed bits that work perfectly 
> well and that you can buy for pennies on the dollar. I know that I can do 
> this at 2 bike shops within 8 miles of where I live.
>
> My favorites, discounting my "style" affectation for 8-speed era Dura Ace: 
> old 8 speed XT derailleurs, cranks, and hubs and, even older, pre-XT 
> "Deore" 7 speed stuff, which may well have been the same stuff as the 8 
> speed XT, just with different name and slightly different appearance.
>
> FWIW, I'm a man (I deprecate using "male" and "female" instead of "man" 
> and "woman", and I hate using "gender" instead of the proper word, "sex" -- 
> nouns have gender, people have sexes, though only 1 each), but I have 
> small, elegant, but bigger than Trumps hands, and I really like the old 
> Shimano aero levers -- easy to reach, and powerful in the pull. I've not 
> used any Campy levers except the old Record non-aeros, and the Shimano 600 
> and forward aeros are far easier to use, IME.
>
> The beginning of a list:
>
> Hubs: 8 speed XT or 7 speed Deore or 8 or 9 speed LX
> Derailleurs: ditto
> Brakes: Mafac centerpulls are fine, as long as you don't use Mafac levers. 
> Shimano aero levers, it doesn't matter what vintage. Do use Koolstop salmon 
> pads, though.
> Bar end shifters: the Silvers are wonderful, but fragile IME -- I've 
> broken 3. I like the old SunTour Power Ratchets. I shift 10 using mine, but 
> perhaps 8 may be easier.
> Cranks: 3 of my 4 bikes have the old Pro 5 Vis; the 4th, for dirt roads, 
> has an old Ritchey Logic. Either of these, or the same 8 speed XT or 7 
> speed Deore. If you can deal with 52/38 rings (I did; I just started my 
> cassette with a Miche 16 t outer cog), the Dura Ace 7410 crank is the most 
> beautiful crank ever made, over and out, amen. It takes a 103 mm bb 
> spindle, though.
>
> I build my own cassettes from cogs scavenged from bike shops; where I need 
> a special outer, I buy Miche. My 10 speed "road bike for dirt" has a 
> cobbled 14-15-16-17-18-19-20-22-24-28 driven by a 42/28, with Power 
> Ratchets pulling a 7410 rear derailleur. A modern, Nashbar "Microshift" rd 
> would work better, but would't look as nice.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 3:47 PM, Lesli Larson  > wrote:
>
>> It's been awhile since I sourced parts for a new bike. I haven't done 
>> this since I ordered my custom Riv ages ago.
>>
>> Use: randonneuring
>>
>> Question: what's the current wisdom regarding classic long cage 
>> derailleurs, front derailleurs, rear hubs (freewheel or cassette), 
>> seatposts and shifts?
>>
>> Have things gotten crazy expensive or is vintage still a viable 
>> alternative to new stuff.
>>
>> I'm sorry I missed out on the Riv Phil hub (what I have on my older road 
>> bike). 
>>
>> I already have Mafac racers, a TA crank, and a set of Campy brake levers 
>> in hand.
>>
>> I'm a female with smallish hands and shortish stature. I'm going to set 
>> the bike up as a compact double with either bar-ends or downtube shifters.
>>
>> 

[RBW] Wheel for Sam

[Carla Waugh]

My shop is building me a dyno hub wheel and I may be getting a new rim if you 
have suggestions let me know. Thanks

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[RBW] Re: Terrific Writeup on the origins of Rivendell by Jan Heine

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bill,

Chameleon paint was a production paint choice for an upcharge, $90 if 
memory serves. It's purple-green that doesn't show well in photography, 
especially crappy cell-phone photography.

On Sunday, July 23, 2017 at 1:52:36 PM UTC-6, William R. wrote:

> Mojo: beautiful AllRounder. Re: the chameleon paint: was that a production 
> color, custom or custom repaint?
>
> Great write up in the summer issue of BQ. First thing I read when I got my 
> copy in the mail. 
>
> Bill in Westchester, NY
>
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[RBW] Re: Terrific Writeup on the origins of Rivendell by Jan Heine

[William R.]

Mojo: beautiful AllRounder. Re: the chameleon paint: was that a production 
color, custom or custom repaint?

Great write up in the summer issue of BQ. First thing I read when I got my copy 
in the mail. 

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Terrific Writeup on the origins of Rivendell by Jan Heine

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I bought a 1995 AllRounder (delivered Jan 1996) and have kept it all these 
years. Waterford built, Reynolds 753 tubing, Richard Sachs lugs, chameleon 
paint, room for 2.0 inch tires, what's not too love? Well, my 
racing-mentality sizing is not to love. I chose a 58cm frame for my 89cm 
PBH. Today I would choose a 61 or 62cm. I keep thinking I will sell it, but 
never seem to do so.

AllRounder 2017 

Head Tube 

Pinon Mesa ride 

Colorado National Monument 


Joe in GJT

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Hunqapillar 48cm (76-83 PBH)

[Jonathan D.]

Would you sell just the dynamo wheel and are the albastache bars available?

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[RBW] Terrific Writeup on the origins of Rivendell by Jan Heine

[Austin B]

As seen on the Facebook Riv group:

1995 Rivendell: Turning the Tide 

https://janheine.wordpress.com/2017/07/22/1995-rivendell-turning-the-tide/


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[RBW] Re: Dyno lights/hub

[Kellie]

Helicopter tape-don't have to use zip ties.

On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 2:01:58 PM UTC-7, Carla Waugh wrote:
>
> Someone sent me a picture of how they used a Marks rack with a basket 
> showing how the wiring was done. I wondered if someone has a picture they 
> could show? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Hunqapillar 48cm (76-83 PBH)

[davecstein]

Dyno Wheelset - 26” Atlas rim with Rivendell Silver rear hub and SP SV-9 Dyno 
hub (36 rear, 32 front), db spokes - $360
Busch & Miller IQ-X front light and Secula Plus Tail light - $140
Saddle - $110 (like new - cambium natural, maybe 50 miles)
Rear nitto rack - $150

It may take me a few weeks to ship the wheelset and rack as I need to get some 
packaging. 

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> How much are you selling those items for?
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Hunqapillar 48cm (76-83 PBH)

[Jonathan D.]

 How much are you selling those items for?

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[RBW] Right size frame pump for 50cm Cheviot?

[Jeff Fry]

Hey gang, anyone know the right size HPX pump to fit a 50cm Cheviot?

Thanks,

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Hunqapillar 48cm (76-83 PBH)

[dstein]

Bike is sold! Dyno wheelset, light, saddle, and rear rack stillf or sale 
(will post separately as well).

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