[RBW] Re: FS: A. Homer Hilsen 65 Bike

[Ben Miller]

Thanks Bill. I did fender it for awhile, but some time during the drought they 
came off and never went back on. I do prefer it fenderless. With all these 
fires I'd happily fender back up if it brought the rain though :/

Definitely ORRG on Tam. The Homer tackles that no problem. Lots of fun fire 
roads up there in Marin. Bolinas Ridge, Blythsdale Ridge, and Old Vee are some 
of my favorite. I've been wanting to ride Pine Mt Fire Rd, but haven't yet. 
Have you been out there?

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Re: [RBW] Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Ben Miller]

For whatever it's worth, I've put 1000's of km's on Lezyne glueless 
patches. They've last longer than the tyres in which they're encased.

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[RBW] Re: XO-1 frame for sale

[Joe Bernard]

Madness. MADNESS I SAY!

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[RBW] Re: XO-1 frame for sale

[Mattt]

It went for $1,025.  Those with a XO-1 are smiling. 

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[RBW] Re: 60cm Rambouillet

[Don Compton]

Thanks for the reply, but that frame is a 62ct. I like to ride a frame on 
the large side, but a Ram 60 is my limit.

On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 3:31:31 PM UTC-7, Sky Coulter wrote:
>
> I think there's a 61cm for sale on this list:
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/kKU8E-E5nWU
>
> Sky in new west
>
>
> On Tuesday, 17 October 2017 15:09:19 UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:
>>
>> I know this is a pipe dream, but I am looking for a 60 cm Ram bicycle or 
>> preferably a frame set.
>> Sincerely, Don
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Ventile Exploration

[Tony DeFilippo]

Thanks Will,

In spite of my very good jacket situation I'm still tempted by the ventile. 
You and Patrick should be writing advertising copy for Hilltrek!  Thanks 
again.

Tony


On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 5:16:10 PM UTC-4, William deRosset wrote:
>
> Dear Tony,
>
> The M65 is the duck tail model--the one issued with the extreme cold 
> equipment (I got to spend three winters in the thing professionally)? If 
> so, no--a ventile jacket of the same construction will not be less bulky 
> nor dry faster. 
>
> In general the greenspot was a less bulky jacket than the Braemar in 
> analogy (the Foinaven is similar), but nobody is going to mistake it for a 
> compact jacket if compared to a W/B synthetic one, and it won't be 
> especially quick to dry if packed. Like Patrick, I tend to take things off 
> underneath of the jacket rather than stow it
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Will
> William M. deRosset
> Fort Collins, CO
>
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 5:57:43 AM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>> Question on specifically DV garments, how packable are they?  I ended up 
>> wearing my M65 on the ride in this morning (first commute in the 40's here 
>> for me) and this afternoon it'll be 60 and I'll be stuffing it into my 
>> saddlesack medium where it will pretty much fill the bag.  I can't imagine 
>> the M65 being particularly good for a long day with varying temperatures it 
>> a multi day trip unless it was truly cold. Also the dry time seems to make 
>> it better for shorter, well defined ride periods (perfect for my commute). 
>>  I'm curious if the ventile products do better in packing or dry time.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: XO-1 frame for sale

[Joe Bernard]

I've owned a 48 and 52 XO-1, and 52 final year XO-3 (no tusk '92). They're 
interesting knock-around-town bikes, but my various Rivs were better bicycles. 
I still want a tusk XO for sentimental reasons and 'cause I like the way the 
stock bikes looked, but I'll probably never find one at a price I'm willing to 
pay. That's ok. 

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[RBW] Chocolate Spokes

[LeahFoy]

I came across this in my Facebook feed. It’s a 5 minute video and really 
well-done. 
https://www.outsideonline.com/2249326/chocolate-spokes-film-about-bicycles?utm_source=facebook_medium=social_campaign=facebookpost

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Re: [RBW] Re: 60cm Rambouillet

[James Warren]

But Rams only came in even sizes at 60 cm and above (and probably with smaller ones too.)The reason I bring this up is that since the seller is saying "61", it's possible they are measuring center-to-center. If that were true, it would be an approximate measurement, and the frame would actually be 62 cm in the way that Rivendell measures. But there were no 61 cm Rams measured center-to-top.-Jim W.-Original Message-
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Subject: [RBW] Re: 60cm Rambouillet

I think there's a 61cm for sale on this list:https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/kKU8E-E5nWUSky in new westOn Tuesday, 17 October 2017 15:09:19 UTC-7, Don Compton  wrote:I know this is a pipe dream, but I am looking for a 60 cm Ram bicycle or preferably a frame set.Sincerely, Don



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Re: [RBW] Re: XO-1 frame for sale

[Patrick Moore]

Joe: I owned a '92, and built and rode it in several configurations.* Don't
spend a great deal of money on one. As in my immediately earlier post, any
number of later, Rivendell-branded models are better than the XO-1.

I'm not saying the XO-1 was a bad bike, but it was a first attempt at what,
later, became much better.

Now, if you collect frames like some people collect stamps, then yes, the
XO-1 deserves a pedestal for being an early '90s attempt at an all
rounder/country bike-type design. But for road riding, gravel road riding,
touring, urban commuting, what have you, the XO-1 has been surpassed long
since.

*One build, which I recall fondly, was as my gofast: 28/38/48 Topline
Superlight triple, 12-19 7 speed cassette, road f and r derailleurs,
Cinelli Giro d'Italia 26.4 squeezed into T-Bone upjutter 25.4 (or did this
build have a custom Salsa?), very, very light sun M14A 559, 19 mm rims in
anodized purple with 8-speed Ultegra hubs, Revolution spokes, very nice
Specialized Turbo 559 X 22 tires (if these had been 1 cm larger, I'd still
be riding them), Syncros ti sp, original issue Flite (still love 'em),
Speedplay X-1 pedals, 7402 Dura Ace levers pulling some high end, normal
reach, cold forged, silver only calipers, and -- get this --
GripShift-for-drop-bar shifters, big clunky grippers that fit onto the tail
end of your drop bar -- all plastic clicky bits.

This bike had the kudos of hitting 48 mph at the bottom of a hill in a 48 X
12 X 24" tire (96" gear) while chasing an errant Range Rover -- 170 rpm!

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 4:44 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> There's one on SF Craigslist now in my size, but somebody painted it red.
> It's been there forever, nobody wants a non-original-color XO-1, including
> me. My Holy Grail -1 is the '92 tusk one with road brakes. By today's/Riv's
> standards of gearing, brakes and tire clearance it's a silly bike, but I
> think it's cool beans. But they must not have sold many 'cause I haven't
> seen a 48 or 52cm one for sale in years.
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Re: [RBW] Re: XO-1 frame for sale

[Patrick Moore]

The prices asked, perhaps paid, for XO-1s must be purely the reasult of a
collectors' mentality, since the frames themselves are not exceptional
compared to what Grant made later on. Compared to the Atlantis, even the
Sam Hillborne, and even to the original Rivendell All Rounder, the XO-1 is
a low budget, nice but not exceptional, first foray into the world of a 26"
wheel "country bike." "Holy Grail" for name/model collectors, but not
compared to the much better frames that followed it.

Patrick "ask me how I know" Moore, who'll tell you without being asked: I
owned a '92 XO-1, then asked Grant to build me a 26" wheel road custom that
was "better" than the XO-1, and based on the All Rounder, but roadified;
this was head, shoulders, and waist above the XO-1; and then he built me 2
more that were in turn huge levels above the first custom which, itself,
was considerably better than the XO-1. And this doesn't even take into
account the Atlantis, the Sam Hill, and the other models which followed;
the Atlantis (from hearsay) and the Sam Hill (from experience) are both,
also, better than the XO-1.

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 4:28 PM, El Sapo 
wrote:

>
>
> XO-1 is a Holy Grail bike. They pop up here in the Bay Area every once in
> a while. I haven't been watching so closely over the last year, but I
> remember a CL post where the owner was selling an X0-1 and an MB-Zipp  nice
> original condition. Maybe someone else here remembers. I think
> they asked $1300 for the X0 and $1100 for the MB-0. They both sold quickly.
> Bay Area probably the best market for a bikes like that
>
>>
>>
>>
>> In Winnipeg, MB I have only seen 1 other 1993 X0-1 besides mine.
>>
>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: XO-1 frame for sale

[Joe Bernard]

There's one on SF Craigslist now in my size, but somebody painted it red. It's 
been there forever, nobody wants a non-original-color XO-1, including me. My 
Holy Grail -1 is the '92 tusk one with road brakes. By today's/Riv's standards 
of gearing, brakes and tire clearance it's a silly bike, but I think it's cool 
beans. But they must not have sold many 'cause I haven't seen a 48 or 52cm one 
for sale in years. 

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[RBW] Re: 60cm Rambouillet

[Sky Coulter]

I think there's a 61cm for sale on this list:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/kKU8E-E5nWU

Sky in new west


On Tuesday, 17 October 2017 15:09:19 UTC-7, Don Compton wrote:
>
> I know this is a pipe dream, but I am looking for a 60 cm Ram bicycle or 
> preferably a frame set.
> Sincerely, Don
>

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[RBW] Re: XO-1 frame for sale

[El Sapo]

XO-1 is a Holy Grail bike. They pop up here in the Bay Area every once in a 
while. I haven't been watching so closely over the last year, but I 
remember a CL post where the owner was selling an X0-1 and an MB-Zipp  nice 
original condition. Maybe someone else here remembers. I think 
they asked $1300 for the X0 and $1100 for the MB-0. They both sold quickly. 
Bay Area probably the best market for a bikes like that 

>
>
>
> In Winnipeg, MB I have only seen 1 other 1993 X0-1 besides mine.
>
>
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[RBW] 60cm Rambouillet

[Don Compton]

I know this is a pipe dream, but I am looking for a 60 cm Ram bicycle or 
preferably a frame set.
Sincerely, Don

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[RBW] Re: FS-Joe Appaloosa

[J Imler]

Blue Joe ready for the fall season.






On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 5:43:41 PM UTC-7, Gossamer wrote:
>
> Nobody wants a 58 Joe? On to eBay...
>
>
> On Saturday, September 23, 2017 at 3:58:06 PM UTC-5, Rusty Click wrote:
>>
>> That is a great looking bike and very tempting.  Being 6'1" and 91.5 pbh, 
>> it may just be a great fit.  I've gotta think about it a bit more...hmmm.
>>
>> I'll PM you if I fall off the fence.
>>
>> On Sunday, February 26, 2017 at 10:16:53 PM UTC-5, Gossamer wrote:
>>>
>>> As close to new 58 Appaloosa in blue.
>>>
>>> Buil kit from Riv that included Nitto Choco Moose bars and added a read 
>>> Pletscher Rack with pannier rails, front Mark's rack and Sackville small 
>>> trunk (gray), kickstand. Currently has a Soma drop bar on it with Dura Ace 
>>> shifters. Already newbaumed chain stay, both sets of bars and put on a 
>>> great bell.
>>>
>>> Bike has fewer than 100 miles on it. It's closer to new than a demo 
>>> could be...it's sadly too big despite following the fit guide.
>>>
>>> I'd be happy to discuss further if someone would like. I'd like to get 
>>> $2100 for it since I have more than $2600 into it. It will be 
>>> professionally shipped and you'll get both bars and all mentioned above. 
>>> Only thing I would keep are the saddle and the pedals.
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Ventile Exploration

[William deRosset]

Dear Tony,

The M65 is the duck tail model--the one issued with the extreme cold 
equipment (I got to spend three winters in the thing professionally)? If 
so, no--a ventile jacket of the same construction will not be less bulky 
nor dry faster. 

In general the greenspot was a less bulky jacket than the Braemar in 
analogy (the Foinaven is similar), but nobody is going to mistake it for a 
compact jacket if compared to a W/B synthetic one, and it won't be 
especially quick to dry if packed. Like Patrick, I tend to take things off 
underneath of the jacket rather than stow it

Best Regards,

Will
William M. deRosset
Fort Collins, CO

On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 5:57:43 AM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Question on specifically DV garments, how packable are they?  I ended up 
> wearing my M65 on the ride in this morning (first commute in the 40's here 
> for me) and this afternoon it'll be 60 and I'll be stuffing it into my 
> saddlesack medium where it will pretty much fill the bag.  I can't imagine 
> the M65 being particularly good for a long day with varying temperatures it 
> a multi day trip unless it was truly cold. Also the dry time seems to make 
> it better for shorter, well defined ride periods (perfect for my commute). 
>  I'm curious if the ventile products do better in packing or dry time.

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[RBW] Re: XO-1 frame for sale

[Ryan Fleming]

BTW, interestingly enough the product page for Tanaka water bottle cages at 
RBW shows a well-broken in 1993 X0-1

https://www.rivbike.com/products/tanaka-stainless-water-bottle-cage-sandblast  


I wonder whose  bike...is it a customer's or employee's?

It is interesting that after 24 years these  bikes still  pop up here and 
there.Rusty or not, they seem to attract attention; even people who don't 
know anything about their cult status are intrigued by them.

In Winnipeg, MB I have only seen 1 other 1993 X0-1 besides mine.

On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 2:45:37 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I'm all for folks spending whatever they want for an old bike, I'm just 
> concerned about the condition of this one. But hey, if someone wants to 
> chase rust, have at it!

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[RBW] Re: XO-1 frame for sale

[Joe Bernard]

I'm all for folks spending whatever they want for an old bike, I'm just 
concerned about the condition of this one. But hey, if someone wants to chase 
rust, have at it!

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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[LBleriot]

Grant called me yesterday.  We switched up the size based on our 
discussion, and my frameset should be shipping out this week.

On Sunday, October 15, 2017 at 3:21:34 PM UTC-4, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> Anxiously awaiting their arrival.  Got all my parts, excited for the 
> looming build.
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[RBW] Re: XO-1 frame for sale

[El Sapo]

>
> I'm a vintage mountain bike collector, so I hope that frame goes over $1K. 
>

You can rationalize the price however you want. It only takes a couple of 
people willing to pay the price, who bid against each other and aren't 
going to sweat $2-3 hundred over what might be fair and reasonable.

I've been there. You want the bike not the money.

How much is a used Atlantis?  

>   
>
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Ventile Exploration

[Tony DeFilippo]

Well Patrick I appreciate your attempt to answer it just the same and I'm
definitely still interested by ventile. It does sound ideal for your
climate and riding style.

Thanks again, Tony

On Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 10:53 AM Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Much like wider tires, more supple tires, steel bikes, higher handlebars,
> and longer chain stays, ventile changes how I think about and use rainwear
> and clothing in general on any given ride.
>
> It's a wind shirt, insulating layer (more so if it's cotton analogy), and
> waterproof. So pack size is far less a factor than with a synthetic garment
> because it can be effectively and comfortably worn far more often. On long
> day rides, I no longer take anything but my jacket. Yes, the jacket takes
> up more room. I'm fine with that. Remember, though that I ride in the
> Colorado Rockies, where we can get all four seasons in an hour, regardless
> of what the forecast called for.
>
> Redefining waterproof, for the better. Ventile is waterproof BECAUSE it
> gets wet and this swells the fibers and prevents more water from getting
> in. It also stiffens the garment. I'm always surprised how quickly it dries
> (vs. a cotton shirt, for example) after a rain. But on cool, high humidity
> days, it can stay wet on the outside for a long time. This is actually the
> garment working properly. I stay dry on the inside, regardless of activity
> -- or more accurately I rapidly become dry if my activity level was such
> that I was sweating a lot. But the layering under matters. I find far
> greater range of comfort wearing fishnet base layer shirt.
>
> All that is to say, Tony, I have no idea how to answer your question,
> because ventile is an entirely different way of addressing an outer garment.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 5:57:43 AM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>> I'm curious if the ventile products do better in packing or dry time.
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: OT: Kids bike for sale, for trade, for free

[Bill Lindsay]

The bike is claimed by a longtime listmember with even better ideas on 
where donation funds should go.  Thanks

Bill

On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 9:07:16 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I have a Trek MT60 kids bike that is ready for hand-me-down.  I don't have 
> any toddler age kids in my aging local sphere of influence, so I'm casting 
> a wider net.  My son and daughter both used this bike a bit, but their 
> riding was seriously hindered by the fact that we live on the top of a 
> steep hill, so it's going to be a good rider for several more kids before 
> it is worn out.  
>
> It's a small 20" wheel kids bike.  It has a Shimano 6 speed freewheel and 
> a gripshifter.  In the photo the Saddle Height is 460mm, and the standover 
> is 540mm.  The clever crankset allows you to run the pedals at 120mm 
> crankarms or 140mm.  The suspension fork is essentially rigid.  An adult 
> can get it to compress.  The V-brakes and short reach brake levers work 
> well. In the photo there is a long tall stem.  The stock stem is very 
> stubby and I have that as well.  
>
> I'm looking for a local pickup or delivery in the Bay Area.  If you need 
> it for free, fine, it's free.  If you can afford something, make a tax 
> deductable donation to ECHS Mountain Bike Racing (suggested donation 
> $100).  If you want to trade for something, I'd entertain that.  Let me 
> know off-list if you have a home for it.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: German Mirror Basket Mount

[TampaTech]

I have one mounted on the basket on my Sam.  I just put a small PVC 
coupling in the basket so it had something round to attach to.  I can view 
it well from any hand position on my noodle bars.  It gets in the way once 
in a while but I expect that would be the case anywhere it was mounted.

On Monday, October 16, 2017 at 2:38:16 AM UTC-4, Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
wrote:
>
> I saw someone who mounted their German Mirror on a Wald basket instead of 
> the bars. Can't find the picture now. Anyone tried it before? Does it work? 
> I had another mirror mounted to my basket that work well, but it stuck out 
> and then my bike fell over and it broke. I'd love to keep all the space 
> possible on my handlebars. 
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
> Portland, OR
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[RBW] Re: Need help with Romulus Decals

[Roadie1432]

Thank you! That is a valuable resource! Hopefully, someone will reply with the 
high quality photos with dimensions that Velocals needs to proceed.

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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Nels Sorenson]

Mine's getting prepped for shipping right now.  Got the call from Mark 
yesterday, looking forward to building this up on the weekend!
Nels

On Sunday, October 15, 2017 at 6:07:24 PM UTC-7, Jay Connolly wrote:

> Dave told me a while back that they could be in as early as October 6th. 
> I'm sure we'd know if that had happened. I'm not getting a Roadini, but 
> I've been watching the site for builds and frames because after the 
> Roadinis are in, the Big Clem L's will be next!
>
> Jay
>
>
> On Sunday, October 15, 2017 at 12:21:34 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>>
>> Anxiously awaiting their arrival.  Got all my parts, excited for the 
>> looming build.
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: A. Homer Hilsen 65 Bike

[Bill Lindsay]

It's hard to put into words just how 'right' a 700c Hilsen looks with 
700x40s and no fenders.  Is that Railroad Grade trail?  The photo is 
unmistakeably taken FROM Mt Tamalpais.  We're looking over Southern Marin.  
Angel Island is in the middle, and Mount Diablo is that peak in the 
distance on the Left

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, October 12, 2017 at 5:34:07 PM UTC-7, Ben Miller wrote:
>
> A complete Homer Hilsen bike for sale. I reckon Grant designed it to be a 
> gentleman's country bike and I think this one lives up to that. A little 
> beausage, but not much at all. Ernestly ridden over mountains and through 
> valleys, as well as to more leisurely to market. This is one of the first 
> run Homer's, from Toyo in Japan, I believe (I'm sure someone will correct 
> me if it's actually from Waterford). But, it's honestly not got that many a 
> kilometer on it. I'm it's second owner, as the first never rode it at all, 
> due to back issues. It's a sweet whip, but I need room in my stable and it 
> overlaps too much with another bike (too me, at least). Alright, enough 
> prose, here are the brass tacks: 
>
> 65 cm Rivendell A Homer Hilsen 
> Sugino Triple (46/36/24) 
> IRD Triple Front Derailleur 
> Shiman Deore Rear Derailleur 
> Silver Down Tube Shifter (Front) 
> Micro shift R9 brifter (Rear) 
> Silver Long Reach Brakes 
> Nitto Dirt Drop Handlebar  
> Nitto Technomic Quill Stem 
> Nitto S-83 seat post 
> SP Dymano Front Hub 
> Shimano Deore Rear Hub (9 speed) 
> Shimano 9 speed Rear cassette (11-32T) 
> Hand built wheels with Velocity Synergy rims (700c) 
> Soma Supple V 700x40 tyres 
> Supernova E3 front light plus taillight 
> Nitto Mark's Front Rack 
> Nitto Big Back Rack 
> No pedals/saddle/water bottles/bags (I'll be keeping those) 
>
> Those are the particulars. Yeah, the shifting setup is a little odd, but 
> it works well for me. Other than that, it's all Nitto'ed out for your 
> aesthetic pleasure and durability. Ready for any road riding, touring, fire 
> road, or bike camping trip you might want. And into the night or early 
> morning with the dynamo setup. If you're not into nighttime riding or 
> riding with racks we can discuss not including those. I may entertain 
> frame-only offers, but I'd like to sell it more or less as a complete bike. 
>
> $2600 seems reasonable. That's what you'd get a frame for and this is 
> without the wait! Link to picture picture below. There are other ones in 
> the feed or I can send them directly if interested. Thanks for reading! 
>
> https://instagram.com/p/BG2d_hnl8Rb/

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[RBW] Re: FS: OT: Kids bike for sale, for trade, for free

[Doug Bloch]

If we didn’t live in good old flat Alameda I’d take it off your hands for my 
kids. But the single speed my son rides with a coaster and cantilever brake 
combo is plenty fine for him. I will see if any friends are looking.

Doug Bloch
Alameda CA USA

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[RBW] Re: FS: A. Homer Hilsen 65 Bike

[Ryan Fleming]

from tenor to soprano?

On Monday, October 16, 2017 at 11:05:18 PM UTC-5, Ben Miller wrote:
>
> Absolutely 65 cm. But what's a couple of cm anyways?

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[RBW] Re: FS: OT: Kids bike for sale, for trade, for free

[Bill Lindsay]

This is the Trek MT60 that I can give away, sell or trade to somebody in 
the Bay Area.

On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 9:07:16 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I have a Trek MT60 kids bike that is ready for hand-me-down.  I don't have 
> any toddler age kids in my aging local sphere of influence, so I'm casting 
> a wider net.  My son and daughter both used this bike a bit, but their 
> riding was seriously hindered by the fact that we live on the top of a 
> steep hill, so it's going to be a good rider for several more kids before 
> it is worn out.  
>
> It's a small 20" wheel kids bike.  It has a Shimano 6 speed freewheel and 
> a gripshifter.  In the photo the Saddle Height is 460mm, and the standover 
> is 540mm.  The clever crankset allows you to run the pedals at 120mm 
> crankarms or 140mm.  The suspension fork is essentially rigid.  An adult 
> can get it to compress.  The V-brakes and short reach brake levers work 
> well. In the photo there is a long tall stem.  The stock stem is very 
> stubby and I have that as well.  
>
> I'm looking for a local pickup or delivery in the Bay Area.  If you need 
> it for free, fine, it's free.  If you can afford something, make a tax 
> deductable donation to ECHS Mountain Bike Racing (suggested donation 
> $100).  If you want to trade for something, I'd entertain that.  Let me 
> know off-list if you have a home for it.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] FS: OT: Kids bike for sale, for trade, for free

[Bill Lindsay]

I have a Trek MT60 kids bike that is ready for hand-me-down.  I don't have 
any toddler age kids in my aging local sphere of influence, so I'm casting 
a wider net.  My son and daughter both used this bike a bit, but their 
riding was seriously hindered by the fact that we live on the top of a 
steep hill, so it's going to be a good rider for several more kids before 
it is worn out.  

It's a small 20" wheel kids bike.  It has a Shimano 6 speed freewheel and a 
gripshifter.  In the photo the Saddle Height is 460mm, and the standover is 
540mm.  The clever crankset allows you to run the pedals at 120mm crankarms 
or 140mm.  The suspension fork is essentially rigid.  An adult can get it 
to compress.  The V-brakes and short reach brake levers work well. In the 
photo there is a long tall stem.  The stock stem is very stubby and I have 
that as well.  

I'm looking for a local pickup or delivery in the Bay Area.  If you need it 
for free, fine, it's free.  If you can afford something, make a tax 
deductable donation to ECHS Mountain Bike Racing (suggested donation 
$100).  If you want to trade for something, I'd entertain that.  Let me 
know off-list if you have a home for it.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: Ventile Exploration

[Deacon Patrick]

Much like wider tires, more supple tires, steel bikes, higher handlebars, 
and longer chain stays, ventile changes how I think about and use rainwear 
and clothing in general on any given ride.

It's a wind shirt, insulating layer (more so if it's cotton analogy), and 
waterproof. So pack size is far less a factor than with a synthetic garment 
because it can be effectively and comfortably worn far more often. On long 
day rides, I no longer take anything but my jacket. Yes, the jacket takes 
up more room. I'm fine with that. Remember, though that I ride in the 
Colorado Rockies, where we can get all four seasons in an hour, regardless 
of what the forecast called for.

Redefining waterproof, for the better. Ventile is waterproof BECAUSE it 
gets wet and this swells the fibers and prevents more water from getting 
in. It also stiffens the garment. I'm always surprised how quickly it dries 
(vs. a cotton shirt, for example) after a rain. But on cool, high humidity 
days, it can stay wet on the outside for a long time. This is actually the 
garment working properly. I stay dry on the inside, regardless of activity 
-- or more accurately I rapidly become dry if my activity level was such 
that I was sweating a lot. But the layering under matters. I find far 
greater range of comfort wearing fishnet base layer shirt.

All that is to say, Tony, I have no idea how to answer your question, 
because ventile is an entirely different way of addressing an outer garment.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 5:57:43 AM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> I'm curious if the ventile products do better in packing or dry time.

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Re: [RBW] FS: Nitto Bosco 55cm $45

[Luke Heller]

$old

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 5:10 PM, lukeheller  wrote:

> $45 plus shipping from 28806
> VGC. Been clamped with a threadless stem, ~130mm Ritchey WCS. Will include
> stem for an extra $5.
>
> No visible scratches. Maybe a few tiny wear marks but none of that deep
> marring kinda scratch when you force a bar through a quill stem and you're
> all like OOPS.
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[RBW] Re: Need help with Romulus Decals

[Jim Edgar]

Which also has a hi-rez version here:

http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/romulus/rom_flyer1-01.jpg

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[RBW] Re: Need help with Romulus Decals

[Jim Edgar]

Also - 

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/romulus/romflyer/01.html

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[RBW] Re: Need help with Romulus Decals

[Jim Edgar]

There are a number of Romuli posted here:

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/cc-maker.html#rivendell

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[RBW] Re: Need help with Romulus Decals

[Roadie1432]

I recieved a reply to my email from Will at Rivendell. They do not have any 
Romulus decals. Further, the person who originally made them has died. Will 
said that there are no files or anything saved on a hard drive or anything 
like that.

So, my plea for help still stands. I need some quality pictures, .jpeg 
format, at least 300 dpi, and measurements, length and height, so I can try 
and get some made at Velocals. The decals would then be available to all.

Please contact me via pm.

Thanks,

Bob 

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[RBW] Re: Ventile Exploration

[Tony DeFilippo]

Question on specifically DV garments, how packable are they?  I ended up 
wearing my M65 on the ride in this morning (first commute in the 40's here for 
me) and this afternoon it'll be 60 and I'll be stuffing it into my saddlesack 
medium where it will pretty much fill the bag.  I can't imagine the M65 being 
particularly good for a long day with varying temperatures it a multi day trip 
unless it was truly cold. Also the dry time seems to make it better for 
shorter, well defined ride periods (perfect for my commute).  I'm curious if 
the ventile products do better in packing or dry time.

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Re: [RBW] XO-1 frame for sale

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Yeah, it's nuts. But there are certain things that become annointed by some 
subculture and then the price discovery mechanism takes on a whole new 
wrinkle. 

Case in point: These NOS Weinmann levers 

 
sold for less than $20, while these NOS Campy Records 
went
 
for $249. Both drillium. Both shiny aluminium. Do we think the Campys 
really stop 10x better? Even in used, abused condition, the Campys will 
sell for 5x the price. In fact I just bought a gorgeous bicycle in pristine 
condition that, once I sell the brakes and seatpost that came on it and 
replace them with ones from my parts box that have almost the same look and 
function identically, it's entirely possible the bike will have paid for 
itself.






On Tuesday, October 17, 2017 at 2:33:28 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> That's bonkers. XO-1s are cool, but that one was left outside for a decade 
> or two. Crazy money!

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[RBW] Re: Ventile Exploration

[ascpgh]

Patrick and Will,

Many thanks for your detailed experiences with your array Hilltrek 
garments, both of your insights are helpful to my decision. 

I am always concerned when looking at "raingear" that many technical 
specifications are purposely overlooked or the item is demonstrated in high 
altitude or arid settings which use the physics of the environment to 
produce claimed performance. In my use around here (38" annual rainfall, 
27" snow) I need breathability or could just cut arm and head holes in the 
bottom of a can liner for much less and pretty high resistance/proofness to 
water. I can manage some moisture inside by choosing base and insulation 
garments appropriately. 

Synthetic advancements of other raingear at lower prices have all performed 
somewhat as unfinished research projects at high costs, those being crunchy 
loudness and service life. I believe the previous is telling of the latter, 
any material has a flex to failure specification and the shell materials 
dependent on coatings or laminates with a bonded 3D inner surface mesh 
liner beg for both increases stiffness of hand and an earlier arrival of 
the end of functional performance. Even trying not to pack or manipulate my 
last shell, the stiffness of its build focussed flex and movement in wear 
at the from of the shoulders, right where you need the shell to hold out 
water the most. 

Will, I am likely to follow your path to the DV shouldered and hood, SV 
balance construction because while I seldom have to cope with the lowest 
temps, I can sweat thinking about the next hill and have a premium on 
breathability. Side note about pit zips and back flaps on lesser breathing 
shells: here in the non-arid, closer to sea level lands they lower the temp 
differential across the membranes/laminates and promote condensation on the 
inside face of the materials beyond what the lining mesh can handle. A bad 
thing if I am using the shell for wind blocking  instead of a water 
barrier. nothing worse to end up wet on a dry dark morning.

Patrick, I've been quietly following your chronology of experience with 
Hilltrek products and Ventile itself. Thanks for being a font of 
information and freely sharing. Once again the usefulness of this list over 
coffee each morning is more productive than my wife ever thought!

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, October 16, 2017 at 4:35:53 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Andy Cheatham asked in my Coffeeneuring #2 thread how I like my Foinaven 
> cotton analogy ventile smock by Hilltrek. I’m starting a separate thread so 
> folks can follow or not as they desire.
>
> Simple answer, absolutely.
>
> Fuller answer is more complex as it involves the question of what factors 
> will make single, double or cotton analogy ventile options work or not for 
> any given person. Here are some of the factors I know make a difference.
>
> Humidity and temperature and precipitation. The higher the humidity, the 
> more challenging it is to get rid of moisture inside any garment. The 
> higher the temperature, the sooner the body will sweat. In high humidity 
> and/or temperature increased ventilation levels help significantly. Even a 
> single layer of ventile blocks all wind, so ventilation means loosening the 
> hood/neck/waist. Depending on the amount/type of precipitation coming down, 
> finding a balance is key. All of this is true for any rain garment, and is 
> why less breathable jackets include pit zips. In my experience, these are 
> not needed with ventile as all three types are far more breathable than 
> synthetics. The general range I use my ventile cotton analogy is as warm as 
> 60’s, raining, close to 100% humidity (wearing jacket only), down to -20˚F 
> and colder, humidity ranging for near 100% to very low, wearing whatever 
> layers are required under. For moisture management, the most challenging 
> conditions are cold and wet and high humidity, with temperatures ranging 
> from 50˚F down to 25˚F. For me, this is where cotton analogy ventile shines 
> easily above all other comers, because it actively pushes moisture out. 
> Fishnet underlayer is key to moisture management, allowing even a small 
> amount of air flow to remove moisture, but also actively removing sweat 
> (vapor and liquid) as I ride and when I stop. I experience double ventile 
> as staying cold and clammy much longer than cotton analogy. 
>
> Exertion level. When I bike harder, I sweat more. I climb a lot 
> (essentially half of my riding as there are no flats around here), and 
> there is no getting around warming up and sweating on these climbs. I 
> generally stay aerobic, so could hold a relaxed conversation while riding. 
> If I rode (as I used to) anaerobic much/all of the time, I would sweat a 
> lot more and the amount of moisture needing to get out would be 
> significantly higher. It took time to build my aerobic base, but now I ride 
> faster aerobically than I used to anaerobically, and for far longer, 
> 

[RBW] Re: Ventile Exploration

[Tony DeFilippo]

I was and still am deeply tempted by Will and Patrick's descriptions of the 
ventile jackets, particularly the Greenspot.

Regardless I received a very generous gift two Christmases ago of an Alpha 
Industries M-65 field jacket, it's a fairly accurate reproduction if the 
classic military coat in a 50/50 Nylon/Cotton blend. I've found it to have many 
of the same wearing properties that also describe the ventile experience. For 
my DC area commute it comes out once it starts to get in the 50's and I haven't 
needed anything heavier, and layering underneath is usually pretty minimal.  
And I do love the pockets and the long tail.  The roll up hood does leave allot 
to be desired though it keeps my neck dry in the rain and my Gore helmet cover 
different the rest.  Another option to consider!

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Re: [RBW] XO-1 frame for sale

[Joe Bernard]

That's bonkers. XO-1s are cool, but that one was left outside for a decade or 
two. Crazy money!

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