Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

Hi Jay, if you don't mind me asking, how long have you had that setup and what 
kind of riding do you do? I'm asking as I bought that 31.8mm clamp quill stem, 
but realized thereafter that they use two M4 bolts to clamp the handlebar. 
That's a bit tiny compared to the normal Nitto stuff. Do you find that sturdy 
enough (i.e., slip-free)?

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[RBW] Jones 2.5 Loop on Clem L

[Bill Eberle in Columbus, Ohio]

Here's the same on my Specialized Rockhopper: 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/O9nBm0E5auw4HEI82

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[RBW] Re: Sam and Barlow Pass 700c

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Curiously we had some Barlow Pass tires and Snoqualmie Pass tires on two 
different bikes at the same time the other day.  They measured within 2mm 
of each otherBarlow at 40 and Snoqualmie at 42.  Both were mounted to 
very similar width rims.

On Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 1:35:08 PM UTC-4, Carla Waugh wrote:
>
> Hello which fenders do you use if you are running Barlow Pass tires on 
> your 700c Sam? If you have tried Snoqualmie Pass and you think they are so 
> wonderful that you are using them and no fenders I would be interested as 
> well.

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Kainalu V.]

That's just about perfect. 
-Kai
BK NY 

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[RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Justin, Oakland]

I use the wider ones on my trail bike (Rigid Salsa El mar) and they are 
perfecto. I ride the wide (but not jones wide) MAP bars on my Saluki and they 
are nearly perfecto. Great complimentary combo and they look A++ with that 
quill 31.8 Stem Jay!

-J

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[RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, 660 is plenty for my little arms, with the ideal grip position (after one 
ride anyway) being slightly inboard of the ends. The sweepback seems perfect; 
I've never gone my first 10 miles on a new shape without *some* wrist or palm 
pain. I was shocked.  

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[RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Philip Kim]

I love the loop bars. 660 was plenty wide for me, especially if you plan on 
doing any city riding

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Jay your bike looks really nice. I have the Jones loop on my Jones bike. I’ll 
have to consider it on my Joe as I do like the bar very much

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Jay Connolly]

Yes. They're the Chucky, not the extra chunky. I have the EC on my Jones 
and like them more. When I ordered the new bar, I also ordered two sets of 
the new grips they're selling--one set of the softer ones (clear) and a set 
of the firmer model (black). Both are 34mm, I believe, which makes them the 
equivalent of the extra chunky. One set will go on the Ospry bar when the 
Clem L shows up.

Jay


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> Hey Jay, those are the silicone grips, right? How do you like them?

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Joe Bernard]

Hey Jay, those are the silicone grips, right? How do you like them?

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Jay Connolly]

Here you go . . .




On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 9:21:19 AM UTC-7, Tim O. (Portland, OR) 
wrote:
>
> The Soma Osprey does seem to fit the bill. I'm not sure how I missed that 
> one when I was researching bars.
>
> Jay:Thanks for the feedback. Do you have pictures of your Joe with the 
> Jones?
>
> Cheers,
> Tim
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sam and Barlow Pass 700c

[Bill Lindsay]

I had been running my Sam with knobbies for a few months.  I've now set it 
back up for brevet use, returning the Barlow Pass Extralight tires along 
with some Velo Orange aluminum fenders.  




As a versatile 'road bike', I think this is pretty much ideal, in my 
world.  For trail or gravel use, I can definitely see the additional appeal 
of even more floatation on 44s.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 11:09:06 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Sam with Barlow Pass is optimal, in my experience, but I have not ridden 
> my sam with Snoqualmie Pass tires.  I did ride Sam with Bruce Gordon Rock 
> and Roads and thought that was a little too much tire.  Barlow Pass and 
> Steilacooms are both fabulous, in my opinion.  
>
> I'm in a re-fendering mode in my stable right now.  I got fenders back on 
> two bikes, and Sam might be next.  I'll first try to make some VO aluminum 
> fenders work.  They came off a different bike, so I'm not positive that 
> they will work or how well they will do.  If those don't work out, I've got 
> SKS fenders that I'm sure will work.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, October 19, 2017 at 10:35:08 AM UTC-7, Carla Waugh wrote:
>>
>> Hello which fenders do you use if you are running Barlow Pass tires on 
>> your 700c Sam? If you have tried Snoqualmie Pass and you think they are so 
>> wonderful that you are using them and no fenders I would be interested as 
>> well.
>
>

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[RBW] SOLD! FS: Velo Orange Compact Crankset

[Eric Norris]

Crankset is on its way to a new home.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
@CampyOnlyguy (Twitter/Instagram)

> On Oct 20, 2017, at 11:38 AM, Eric Norris  wrote:
> 
> This crankset came on an Alex Singer that I purchased earlier this year. I’ve 
> changed out the cranks on that bike to a vintage Stronglight (which these are 
> a modern copy of), so these need a new home.
> 
> This is Velo Orange’s 50.4 BCD Grand Cru model, described here: 
> https://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/cranksets/grand-cru-50-4bcd-crankset-mkii.html
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 46/30 rings give a nice, mid-to-low range of gears. Because really, who needs 
> a 53T big ring?
> 
> 172.5 arms. Includes VO crank bolts and dustups. Nice condition, and they 
> polish up quite well (like Herse and other vintage cranks, these are not 
> anodized).
> 
> Velo Orange sells this crankset new for $200. I’ll sell this slightly used 
> one for $125 shipped in the CONUS.  
> 
> 
> 
> --Eric Norris
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[RBW] Re: Jones 2.5 Loop on Clem L

[Joe Bernard]

Grips are claimed. 

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[RBW] Re: Jones 2.5 Loop on Clem L

[Joe Bernard]

This version is designed with 2.5 inches of rise, plus I like high bars. I have 
short arms so I still have a bit of lean-in. Have a look around jonesbike.com 
and you'll get an idea how people run them on his frames. It's an interesting 
site. 

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[RBW] Re: 60cm Rambouillet

[Michael Rivers]

The frame is currently in MA, and I won’t be leaving DC until Nov 20th. Here 
are some old pictures when it was built up:

https://flickr.com/photos/63018801@N00/sets/72157632683590627

Michael 

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

The Soma Osprey does seem to fit the bill. I'm not sure how I missed that one 
when I was researching bars.

Jay:Thanks for the feedback. Do you have pictures of your Joe with the Jones?

Cheers,
Tim

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[RBW] Re: Jones 2.5 Loop on Clem L

[John Hawrylak]

Joe It is normal for the this type of bar to be so high above the saddle?  
Or do you prefer to be more upright??   

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 9:24:22 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:

> Well that's annoying. Here's pics. 
>
> On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 4:02:40 AM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
> > Joe
> > 
> > 
> > the link comes up "Album Is Empty"
> > 
> > 
> > John Hawrylak
> > Woodstown NJ
> > 
> > On Sunday, October 22, 2017 at 4:37:09 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:Oops, 
> bad link. Let's try this. 
> > https://photos.app.goo.gl/QDiNsiAcGmMVxmTy1
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Huge Rosco Mixte

[Kainalu V.]

Looking good Marty!
And something to look forward to, proof that the Bubbe "planes", notice in this 
video the delicate flex patterns of thee Will's mountain mixte making possible 
the impossible! (For a lesser frame that is)
https://youtu.be/2_GnM4MLYBs
And thanks to the Patricks for inspiration to set up the photo phone and get 
out there and roll some ditches. After this video was shot I set my personal 
best on the ridiculously steep climb to the Henry Hudson Bridge (all credit to 
the Rosco Bubbe)
-Kai
BK NY 

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Mike Williams]

I second the Soma Osprey bar.   Comes in 25.4 clamp, silver, 710mm wide, 40 
degree sweep( Jones bars are 45 degree sweep).   The Soma Osprey is a really 
great feeling bar!!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 22, 2017, at 5:26 AM, Jay Connolly  wrote:
> 
> I love the Jones and have the 710 Loop on my Joe. When the announced the 
> Jones Loop 2.5, I ordered one immediately and will probably use it on my 
> Beargrease this winter. I have a 64 Clem L on order and will be using a Soma 
> Osprey on that bike. The Osprey is very close to the Jones, without the loop 
> feature. On anything that will be used for long distances, I really like the 
> loop because it gives a couple of extra hand positions.
> 
> Jay
> 
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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Jay Connolly]

I love the Jones and have the 710 Loop on my Joe. When the announced the Jones 
Loop 2.5, I ordered one immediately and will probably use it on my Beargrease 
this winter. I have a 64 Clem L on order and will be using a Soma Osprey on 
that bike. The Osprey is very close to the Jones, without the loop feature. On 
anything that will be used for long distances, I really like the loop because 
it gives a couple of extra hand positions.

Jay
 

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[RBW] Re: Who's ridden a Steamroller and can compare to the Quickbeam?

[dstein]

Take a look at the All City Nature Boy as well. My father-in-law has one 
that I ride when I visit him. I love it. I also owned a QB for a while, 
just sold it. Hard to compare since I had the quickbeam setup as a commuter 
with Jitensha bars, and the Nature Boy I ride is more of a flared drop bar 
cross bike. It's fast. Can fit up to 38m tires. But doesn't have the 
brazeons for racks if I recall which would probably be a deal breaker for 
many of us here ;).

As Deacon Patrick mentioned, if you can get a Rosco it has the track 
dropouts so you can setup as a single speed, but you can't fit the double 
crank and dos freewheel since there's not enough room in the dropout to 
accomodate for the wide changes. 

Also - Riv is supposed to be working on a new single speed for Blue Lug 
that will be more like the QB in that it can fit the double frank and dos 
freewheel. No word on whether that would be available for purchase in the 
US though.

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[RBW] Re: Jones 2.5 Loop on Clem L

[John Hawrylak]

Joe

the link comes up "Album Is Empty"

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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>
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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[iamkeith]

Second eric's suggestion of the surly open bar.  It's kind of awkward looking 
too, but a really nice  width and shape in use. At least it's  25.4, and you 
could always wrap it in bar tape.

SOMA has a new bar called the Osprey, that is available in 25.4 and silver 
finish, albeit the cheap "shot peened" type.  It is very similar to a jones bar 
(or a wider mary).  I could take a picture of the two side by side if 
interested.  (I stupidly bought a 31.8 version, and am searching for a place to 
use it)

For many years, i was adamant about having different bars on all my bikes for 
variety's sake (per sheldon's advice), and to help justify what would otherwise 
be redundancy.

Once i got used to the jones bar though (on my jones frame), i found that 
nothing else "measured up" and  all felt awkward, so i simply wouldnt ride 
those bikes.  So I'm slowly ending up with multiples of the forementioned bars. 
 I do struggle with the clunky look of 31.8 bars on otherwise graceful rivs, 
but Im going to get a 2.5 loop like Joe's for my snow bike that has a too-low 
front end.

Keep in mind that not all bikes or riding types are suitable for these bars.  
They work best with semi-upright but still-aggressive or mountain bike type 
positions.

On a related note, after trying them on at least a half-dozen other bikes, i 
DID finally just find a place to successfully use albatross bars:  my old, 
NORBA (Grant) era MB-1.  Because those bikes were essentially road bikes, they 
work well with narrow handlebars.  Trick was getting the height correct to put 
just the right amount of forward lean and weight on them, to steady the twitchy 
steering.

Otherwise, as ive agreed many times, a (much) wider albatross would be the 
perfect bar on almost everything else.  Beautiful AND usable.

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[RBW] Brooks B68 for sale

[Steve Butcher]

Having switched saddles on my Rosco Bubbe mixte, I am offering for sale 
this brown B68 originally purchased from another list member.  I'd like to 
get $90.00 for the saddle shipped in the CONUS with payment via PayPal 
Family and Friends.  I apologize for the somewhat out of focus photos; but 
they basically show the saddle is in very good condition.  I have treated 
it once with saddle ointment.  I have never gotten the saddle wet.  There 
are a few tiny scratches by the rivets presumably from the edge of my rear 
pants pockets.  The black powder coated rail has some scuffs from the seat 
post.  Please PM me if any questions.  Thanks, Steve.

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Re: [RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Eric Daume]

Hey Tim,

I love the looks of Albas, but I find them much too narrow.

The Loop is a great bar. I thought that same about the appearance at first,
but it grew on me.

Also check out the Surly Open Bar. It's swept back like the Albatross bar,
but much wider at 666mm.

If you like the MAP Ahearne bend, it looks pretty close to the On One
Mary/Soma Clarence, except those bars are also wider at around 645mm.

It's funny, I have a Mary bar that I like quite a bit. I originally used it
for mountain biking, but now it feels too narrow for that, and about the
right width for a city bike. My expectations for bars are getting wider
along with my tires.

Eric

On Sun, Oct 22, 2017 at 4:18 AM, Tim O. (Portland, OR) <
timothycharles...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey, Y'all-
>
> I got ants in my pants for some new handlebars. I've been riding the
> Albatross bars since last spring and I love the upright riding position.
> Plus, they're gorgeous/comfy. Although, ever since I've got them I wished
> they were wider. Probably didn't help that I was riding the Bullmoose bars
> before them or that I have wide shoulders. The Albatross performed well
> some long rides and varied terrain,but I wish I could get out of the saddle
> more comfortably.
>
> Anyway, now that VO has their quill stem with 31.8 clamp, I'm considering
> the Jones H-bar. I'm thinking of the loop or the bend in 710mm. My biggest
> hesitation is that I think they look kind of funny! I hate to write that
> out loud, but it's true. The shape and the 31.8 clamp seem like they could
> clash on a Riv set up. I thought the Map/Ahearne bars would be a good
> solution, but they hand position wouldn't really be wider that the
> Albatross.
>
> Anyone have the Jones loop or bend on their Riv that would be willing to
> sharing photos/experiences? Convince me to stop putting fashion over
> function? Or maybe you're Jones h-bar/Riv set up is gorgeous AND functional?
>
> Anyone want to convince me the Map/Ahearne bar is the way to go? Would the
> angle of the hand position be enough to solve the issue even though they
> aren't much wider?
>
> Thanks!
> Tim
> Portland, OR
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[RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Joe Bernard]

Hi Tim, I just posted about my my new Jones Loop 2.5 on a Clem L. Here's the 
pics, and you can read about my impressions on that thread. This is a 
preliminary setup with a black stem I had lying around, I have a new/shorter 
silver stem on the way. I like the way they look!

https://photos.app.goo.gl/QDiNsiAcGmMVxmTy1

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[RBW] Jones 2.5 Loop on Clem L

[Joe Bernard]

Oops, bad link. Let's try this. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/QDiNsiAcGmMVxmTy1

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[RBW] Rivs with the Jones Loop/Bend H-Bar (Map/Ahearne too)

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

Hey, Y'all-

I got ants in my pants for some new handlebars. I've been riding the Albatross 
bars since last spring and I love the upright riding position. Plus, they're 
gorgeous/comfy. Although, ever since I've got them I wished they were wider. 
Probably didn't help that I was riding the Bullmoose bars before them or that I 
have wide shoulders. The Albatross performed well some long rides and varied 
terrain,but I wish I could get out of the saddle more comfortably. 

Anyway, now that VO has their quill stem with 31.8 clamp, I'm considering the 
Jones H-bar. I'm thinking of the loop or the bend in 710mm. My biggest 
hesitation is that I think they look kind of funny! I hate to write that out 
loud, but it's true. The shape and the 31.8 clamp seem like they could clash on 
a Riv set up. I thought the Map/Ahearne bars would be a good solution, but they 
hand position wouldn't really be wider that the Albatross. 

Anyone have the Jones loop or bend on their Riv that would be willing to 
sharing photos/experiences? Convince me to stop putting fashion over function? 
Or maybe you're Jones h-bar/Riv set up is gorgeous AND functional?

Anyone want to convince me the Map/Ahearne bar is the way to go? Would the 
angle of the hand position be enough to solve the issue even though they aren't 
much wider?

Thanks! 
Tim
Portland, OR

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[RBW] Jones 2.5 Loop on Clem L

[Joe Bernard]

It's new bar day here, this is a brand new Jones Loop with 2.5 inches rise. I 
ordered a few weeks ago and they finally shipped, so this may be the first 
review anywhere. 

Wow, what a neat design! I was mostly happy with the stock Boscos on my eClem L 
after lopping off a couple inches, but I still felt a little light in the front 
at the speeds this thing can reach, like I needed my weight a little more 
forward over the front wheel. I had no idea what stem I would need so I ordered 
just the bar, thinking I would line it up with the Boscos and make a decision 
then. It turns out I have one 31.8 stem, a shorty 6cm (in atrocious black), so 
I grabbed my trusty V-O quill-to-threadless adapter and put the blocky bit of 
atrociousness on top and mounted the bars. 

As you can see in the photos I'm using up a good bit of useable space for e-kit 
bits. Not an ideal usage of the design, but I'm happy with the remaining room 
in the grip areas. I purchased Jones' long Kraton grips, but I could tell right 
away they're much too large in diameter for my itty-bitty hands. I decided to 
test the bar with my favorite small Ergons so I wasn't adapting to two things 
at once. 

It was very comfortable - if a bit far away as set up, I moved the saddle 
forward a smidge - and I felt much more "in the bike" and in control than with 
the wayback Boscos. Honestly you could duplicate it with the original Riv Nitto 
Bullmoose, but I didn't like the fixed angle available with that bar. 

I definitely prefer the slightly industrial look of Loop over Bosco on this 
bike. The curved-bar step-through frame combined with 3-speed-style bars 
creates - to my eye - a graceful 'dutch bike' look that's almost TOO elegant. 
Clem was intended to be a utilitarian knockabout bike, hence the decal "a tough 
bike to love", and I think this bar brings more of that out. 

It's a good thing I didn't guess on a stem before trying the bar. The 6cm Block 
Of Terribleness is too long! I figured I'd be ordering a quill stem with open 
31.8 faceplate from V-O, but they don't make shorties so I'm getting a 40cm 
silver Thomson threadless from Jones. I hadn't planned on sticking with the 
threadless adapter combination, but the industrial vibe works with the bar so 
I'm rolling with it. I also ordered the narrower-diameter silicone grips, so 
hit me up if you can use the black Kratons I bought.. they're the shorter style 
for 660mm bars. I'll pass 'em on for cost of shipping. 

And now..pictures! 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/JBFZ0nR3oF2OfIg33

Joe "loopy" Bernard
Vallejo CA. 

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