[RBW] Big cassettes/Do I need a wolftooth roadlink or similar

[drew]

Ok, here are the ordered parts:
pairing a 9 speed 11-40t cassette with a riv silver double crank and an xt long 
cage derailleur. 

Should I be using a roadlink sort of device? Is this knowable without trying 
first? If I do try, what should I be looking for to tell me if I'm good or if I 
need a roadlink?

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[RBW] FS: Albastache, Nitto, Brooks, B+M, Sugino, MKS, Tektro, tubes, tires, etc.

[drew]

Lambda/grip kings are gone. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: NITTO Pearl stems (new-ish)

[lum gim fong]

Bumpin' up!!
Might be perfect for your Frank Jones ss?

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[RBW] Re: Sorely tempted by the Holiday Specials

['mlpessar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

John, don't look at me. Love my 55 Appaloosa and recently purchased a 52 
Clem L from a fellow lister. Sorry I can't be of help. 
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[RBW] Re: FS Paul Motolites ($200) Canti Levers ($80) and Rear Funky Monkey ($35)

[Stephen D]

Motolites sold

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[RBW] WTB: 62 Quickbeam or SimpleOne

[tc]

Uh, for some reason it didn't occur to me to ask if anyone here has a 62 
Quickbeam (preference) or SimpleOne they'd like to sell.  Frame+fork, or 
complete.  Please let me know offline - thanks.

Tom

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Re: [RBW] Re: Frank Jones Sr details

[tc]

What size?   62 by chance?!

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 6:17:34 PM UTC-5, Christopher Murray wrote:
>
> I STILL have a brand new Hunqa-green Quickbeam frame and fork that's never 
> been built. We've got to be approaching 10 years nowEvery winter I say 
> THIS winter I will build it up. The Frank has got those thoughts going 
> again.
>
> Cheers!
> Chris
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[RBW] FS: Albastache, Nitto, Brooks, B+M, Sugino, MKS, Tektro, tubes, tires, etc.

[drew]

more purging. all prices include shipping, but not by christmas. 

*-Clever Cycles Tire Levers/Chain quick link too*l- really cool levers that 
link together to make a chain quick link remover. the company only sells 
these in sets of three, so im offering one set here- 15$ shipped

*-HT albastache bars/ 8cm nitto dirt drop stem/ TRP RRL brake levers/ 
Shimano ultegra bar end shifters-* all around very very good condition. 
newbaums wrapped

and shellacked with gray jagwire housing. small cut in one of the hoods. 
220$ shipped.  

*-Brooks honey B17-* i engraved my name in the back and then sanded it off. 
see photos. otherwise very good condition. 65$ shipped

*-Nitto Crystal Fellow Seatpost* 27.2 300mm long- insertion scuffs on the 
lower half. 50$ shipped

*-Sugino XD triple crank* 170mm arms- very good condition- 65$ shipped

*-MKS lambda grip king pedals*- 25$ shipped

*-WTB 29x2.1 Nano tires-* maybe 50 miles on them, essentially new- 50$ 
shipped

*-B+M Eyc t senso plus dynamo light*- a few months old. no front weird 
reflector thing- 45$ shipped

*-Zefal XPX3 frame pump*- black. some scuffs here and there -20$ shipped

*-Tektro CR720 cantilever brakes for 1 wheel*. matte silver. good 
condition. semi new pads, shimano straddle.- 15$ shipped

*-Vintage Shimano BR MC70 cantilever brakes for 1 wheel*- good condition. 
these are good for conversions on older canti frames- 15$ shipped

*-Three 700c x35-43mm tubes*- unused- 10$ shipped

*-XT qr skewers-* 10$ shipped or free if you spend over 40$

*-700c x 28-32mm tube.* free with purchase over 20$





 

  

 

  






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Re: [RBW] Re: Frank Jones Sr details

[tc]

Eric, thanks for the input.  When comparing some geo numbers it looked like 
the 58 Monster Cross (vs 62) would more closely align with the 58 Sam I 
have, and the Vaya I once had:






On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 5:52:42 PM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> Just FYI, at a 91cm PBH, I ride a 62cm BMC Monstercross. You might think 
> about upsizing a bit.
>
> Eric
>
> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 4:23 PM, tc  
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah John G, I'm pretty sure I'm in the same boat with a 90.5 PBH :( 
>>
>> The Black Mountain Monster Cross (58cm, $650ish) and the All-City Nature 
>> Boy (55, $600ish) are looking better and better, thanks to reviews on this 
>> site and many others.
>>
>> Even a Vaya (57cm, $799ish) plus the ENO Eccentric is on option.  Had one 
>> fully geared, never shoulda sold it - would be fun to experiment with it.  
>> Geo is remarkably close to the 58 Sam.  A Roadini with the Eccentric 
>> wouldn't be much more expensive than the Vaya ... but these might stray 
>> away from intentional SS setups to a degree not worth it...dunno.
>>
>> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 3:31:57 PM UTC-5, John G. wrote:
>>>
>>> Enjoy it, you sub-89.5 PBH-havers! I’m jealous that I’m a shade too tall 
>>> for a Frank Jones.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Frank Jones Sr details

[Christopher Murray]

I STILL have a brand new Hunqa-green Quickbeam frame and fork that's never been 
built. We've got to be approaching 10 years nowEvery winter I say THIS 
winter I will build it up. The Frank has got those thoughts going again.

Cheers!
Chris

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[RBW] Re: Random OT impressions sought: BF Haul-a-Day

[Christopher Murray]

AND when Bike Friday came out with the head badge for their bikes they 
specifically thanked Grant for helping get it made. This was probably 2002-ish? 
Also MUSA. And great customer service. Oh, and Bike Friday is amazing. 

Chris

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Re: [RBW] Re: Frank Jones Sr details

[Belopsky]

Lets talk these brakes Grant mentioned - "new Dia-Compe Mod. 610 centerpull"

Don't these already exist?
http://www.diacompe.com.tw/product/gc610/

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[RBW] Re: FS Paul Motolites ($200) Canti Levers ($80) and Rear Funky Monkey ($35)

[Stephen D]

Paul brake levers sold.

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> Ha! Of course, the noodles. No wonder I could only find one Paul hanger in 
> my bike stuff.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Frank Jones Sr details

[Eric Daume]

Just FYI, at a 91cm PBH, I ride a 62cm BMC Monstercross. You might think
about upsizing a bit.

Eric

On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 4:23 PM, tc  wrote:

> Yeah John G, I'm pretty sure I'm in the same boat with a 90.5 PBH :(
>
> The Black Mountain Monster Cross (58cm, $650ish) and the All-City Nature
> Boy (55, $600ish) are looking better and better, thanks to reviews on this
> site and many others.
>
> Even a Vaya (57cm, $799ish) plus the ENO Eccentric is on option.  Had one
> fully geared, never shoulda sold it - would be fun to experiment with it.
> Geo is remarkably close to the 58 Sam.  A Roadini with the Eccentric
> wouldn't be much more expensive than the Vaya ... but these might stray
> away from intentional SS setups to a degree not worth it...dunno.
>
> On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 3:31:57 PM UTC-5, John G. wrote:
>>
>> Enjoy it, you sub-89.5 PBH-havers! I’m jealous that I’m a shade too tall
>> for a Frank Jones.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Time Traveling Grant?

[Michael Cinibulk]

And mustache bars!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Joe Bernard]

That's ok, I meant Igor. We ride the same size bikes and he's always selling 
one 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[John G.]

Hey now—I hold on to my Rivs! Just having a bit of holiday impulse control...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, get that one. I'll buy it from you in a few months!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[John G.]

79.5 max saddle height? I think I can make that work!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Belopsky]

ooh a geometry of the 53. 
Given the 553 top tube I think that's the ticket...83 PBH is I.
Will have a tad bit seatpost showing than my Gunnar probably (~1cm more 
maybe)

My wallet's ready. Lets get i

Curious to see what build kits you guys think of Grant!


On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 4:22:27 PM UTC-5, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> Back from my short playdate...
> Going out again soon, but thanks for the correction on the PBH which 
> should've been SH, or the other way around. It's fixed now.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> Thanks for this. What is the sta -- does anyone know? It looks like a 57 
>> would be nice ...
>>
>> PAM
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 7:51 AM, Belopsky > > wrote:
>>
>>> Looks like there are more numbers now:
>>> /quote
>>>
>>> Frame sizeTTcm  conservative PBH range
>>>
>>> 48.5   53.564.5-67
>>>
>>> 51.5   54.4 !  66.5-69.2
>>>
>>> 53  55.3 !  68.5 - 72
>>>
>>> 55  56.270.5 - 73.5
>>>
>>> 57   57.572.5 - 75.5
>>>
>>> 59   58.174.5 - 79.5
>>>
>>> These recommendations are rough, loose, and assume a Nitto stem with at 
>>> least a 190mm quill. We now stock the Tallux with 225mm, which is probably 
>>> too long for the 53cm and smaller. With the Tallux on the smaller bikes, 
>>> you won't be able to get it even level with the saddle. I'm not 
>>> computer-modeling any of this, sorry, but it's pretty close to right.
>>>
>>>
>>> /end quote
>>>
>>> I assume that by PBH he means seat height?
>>> The 53 is looking mighty good, but the 55 may work as well. 
>>>
>>> How does Rivendell typically 'measure' their frame size? Is it bb center 
>>> to [theoretical] top?
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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones Sr details

[tc]

Yeah John G, I'm pretty sure I'm in the same boat with a 90.5 PBH :( 

The Black Mountain Monster Cross (58cm, $650ish) and the All-City Nature 
Boy (55, $600ish) are looking better and better, thanks to reviews on this 
site and many others.

Even a Vaya (57cm, $799ish) plus the ENO Eccentric is on option.  Had one 
fully geared, never shoulda sold it - would be fun to experiment with it.  
Geo is remarkably close to the 58 Sam.  A Roadini with the Eccentric 
wouldn't be much more expensive than the Vaya ... but these might stray 
away from intentional SS setups to a degree not worth it...dunno.

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 3:31:57 PM UTC-5, John G. wrote:
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> Enjoy it, you sub-89.5 PBH-havers! I’m jealous that I’m a shade too tall 
> for a Frank Jones.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Grant Petersen]

Back from my short playdate...
Going out again soon, but thanks for the correction on the PBH which
should've been SH, or the other way around. It's fixed now.



On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 11:39 AM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thanks for this. What is the sta -- does anyone know? It looks like a 57
> would be nice ...
>
> PAM
>
> On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 7:51 AM, Belopsky 
> wrote:
>
>> Looks like there are more numbers now:
>> /quote
>>
>> Frame sizeTTcm  conservative PBH range
>>
>> 48.5   53.564.5-67
>>
>> 51.5   54.4 !  66.5-69.2
>>
>> 53  55.3 !  68.5 - 72
>>
>> 55  56.270.5 - 73.5
>>
>> 57   57.572.5 - 75.5
>>
>> 59   58.174.5 - 79.5
>>
>> These recommendations are rough, loose, and assume a Nitto stem with at
>> least a 190mm quill. We now stock the Tallux with 225mm, which is probably
>> too long for the 53cm and smaller. With the Tallux on the smaller bikes,
>> you won't be able to get it even level with the saddle. I'm not
>> computer-modeling any of this, sorry, but it's pretty close to right.
>>
>>
>> /end quote
>>
>> I assume that by PBH he means seat height?
>> The 53 is looking mighty good, but the 55 may work as well.
>>
>> How does Rivendell typically 'measure' their frame size? Is it bb center
>> to [theoretical] top?
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[RBW] New Lugged Bike Builder of Note

[Joe Bernard]

This is just spectacular. It never would have occurred to me to paint a custom 
lugged steel bike like an old Sears Free Spirit. Just take my money, I want 
this exact bicycle right now!

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[RBW] Re: FS Paul Motolites ($200) Canti Levers ($80) and Rear Funky Monkey ($35)

[Stephen D]

Ha! Of course, the noodles. No wonder I could only find one Paul hanger in my 
bike stuff.

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones Sr details

[John G.]

Enjoy it, you sub-89.5 PBH-havers! I’m jealous that I’m a shade too tall for a 
Frank Jones.

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[RBW] Re: FS Paul Motolites ($200) Canti Levers ($80) and Rear Funky Monkey ($35)

[Julian Westerhout]

Stephen, 

The cable hanger is not from the Motolites -- as V-brakes, they do not use 
cable hangers. 

Great brakes and great levers, btw. 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 11:53:35 AM UTC-6, Stephen D wrote:
>
> For Sale:
>
> 1) Paul Motolites pair (silver). Used for only a few rides. Comes with 
> only one cable hanger, but I'm including a pair of Cane Creek Drop V long 
> pull levers. $200 includes priority mail shipping with insurance. ($190 
> local pickup in Baltimore)
>
> 2) Paul Canti Levers (polished) - Very good condition. $80 includes 
> priority mail shipping with insurance ($70 local pickup in Baltimore)
>
> 3) Paul Funky Monkey Rear (black) - Excellent condition - looks new except 
> for pictured scratches - $35 shipped priority mail ($30 local pickup in 
> Baltimore)
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/stephendm/sets/72157689648078331
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Lugged Bike Builder of Note

[Brewster Fong]

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 7:02:37 AM UTC-8, Addison wrote:
>
> Happy Sunday morning all,
> I shared this on the ibob list but it later occurred to me that I should 
> share it here as well.  A friend of mine has been apprenticing with Roland 
> Della Santa for a few years and has just unveiled his first bike.  He built 
> it for his father for his birthday and it's a stunner.  It's been fun to 
> see Jake work with Roland because he has pushed Roland a bit beyond the 
> Italian race bike model, with some wider clearances and more practical 
> designs.  My last DS was pretty much built by Jake and some of you may have 
> already seen pics of that.  Jake has what I think might be the only lugged, 
> adventure, mountain bike, Roland ever made.
>
> Anyway, here is Barrett #1 with lots of pics.  We had a little event at 
> the Dropout Bikeshop here in Reno for the Reno Rambler Cycling Club to 
> unveil it.  Enjoy!
>
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2017/12/theres-new-sheriff-in-town.html
>

 Very nice! Is Jake taking orders for new framesets or will he still work 
for DS?  

Thanks!

>
>
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>
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>  
>
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>
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>
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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones Sr details

[Clayton.sf]

Same here! 59 Grilver. 

fingers crossed!
Clayton Scott
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Re: [RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for this. What is the sta -- does anyone know? It looks like a 57
would be nice ...

PAM

On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 7:51 AM, Belopsky  wrote:

> Looks like there are more numbers now:
> /quote
>
> Frame sizeTTcm  conservative PBH range
>
> 48.5   53.564.5-67
>
> 51.5   54.4 !  66.5-69.2
>
> 53  55.3 !  68.5 - 72
>
> 55  56.270.5 - 73.5
>
> 57   57.572.5 - 75.5
>
> 59   58.174.5 - 79.5
>
> These recommendations are rough, loose, and assume a Nitto stem with at
> least a 190mm quill. We now stock the Tallux with 225mm, which is probably
> too long for the 53cm and smaller. With the Tallux on the smaller bikes,
> you won't be able to get it even level with the saddle. I'm not
> computer-modeling any of this, sorry, but it's pretty close to right.
>
>
> /end quote
>
> I assume that by PBH he means seat height?
> The 53 is looking mighty good, but the 55 may work as well.
>
> How does Rivendell typically 'measure' their frame size? Is it bb center
> to [theoretical] top?
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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Clayton.sf]

dibs on a 59!

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Dave Small]

Yes, it has to be saddle height.  

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 9:51:51 AM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
>
> I assume that by PBH he means seat height?
>

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[RBW] Re: Random OT impressions sought: BF Haul-a-Day

[Joe Bernard]

Oh there's all kinds of Riv content involved here. This project started when I 
was at RBW HQ last week and spotted their Cycle Trucks Beavertail cargo bike 
and said to Roman, "That needs a motor!" Which then reminded me Bike Friday 
makes a small-wheel cargo bike and here we are!

I'll be riding it (and my new Cheviot) in Riv pants, Riv shirt (Pletscher) and 
Riv gloves; with the omnipresent Riv Bartube hanging off the front. It's all 
good!  

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Grant @ Rivendell]

You can ride fixed, but since there's no coasting you have to be careful 
about clipping pedals. With a 75 drop (track bikes have 60, commonly) and a 
wider-than track cranky (presumably) there's more risk. That is hugely 
abated by the larger tires--which more than makes up for the increased 
drop. But as a maker - designer, I am always concerned about somebody 
putting on a high Q factor crank, 700x22;s, wide pedals, and pedaling while 
leaning over speed bumps. Then that person crashes, blames us, we get sued, 
party's over.

If all that makes sense and you still wanna ride fixed, it'll be a better 
fixie ride than a normal fixie bke, I'm pretty sure!

53cm has 54.4 top tube, by memory. I don't want to re-look it up now. 
Friend's on his way, we're going out to play. (And I hope my dissing of the 
importance of the length of a top tube without regarding the other 
variables that affect how much you have to bend and reach... is legendary!)


On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 2:28:34 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Queries: 
> it’s for single-speed freewheels, not fixed gear bikes. 
>
> But with long (and slanted!) track ends, why not fixed? What am I missing?
>
> 6 or 8 tooth accommodation; that's enough to give you quite a range, from 
> 16 t to 21 t easily; with a 42 t ring, 72" to 55", 16 t one one side, 17/20 
> or 21 t cogs on the other.
>
> the top tubes for the 48.5, 51.5 53, 55, 57, and 59 are 53.5, 54.4, 56.2, 
> 57.5, and 58.
>
> There seems to be a tt length missing: can anyone supply it?
>
> It sounds very nice and I am tempted, but ... but... shouldn't ... 
> shouldn't ...
>
> But wouldn't it be nice with some light wheels and a pair of Barlow Pass 
> extralights?
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[RBW] Re: Random OT impressions sought: BF Haul-a-Day

[Ty Smith]

Oddly enough, I've been thinking about a Haul-A-Day to replace my 
Xtracycle, only because of worsening back issues and nerve pain. The high 
step-over and weight of my stokemonkey equipped Xtracycle at is not as easy 
to deal with as it used to be. 

Sorry to extend this non-Rivendell thread! ;) As mitigation, I do have a 
giant Wald basket and small safety triangle (purchased from Rivendell) 
which I will transfer to the Haul-A-Day (if I get one, that is.)  

(yorkie not included.)




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>
> Anybody out there in Bobland own one? I'm thinking of building one up as 
> an e-assist shopping bike..interested in hearing impressions of the regular 
> version. 
>
> Joe Bernard
> Novato CA. 
>

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[RBW] No Ordinary Rides

[Deacon Patrick]

In which the gift of every ride is celebrated, however small.
https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/no-ordinary-rides

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] FS Paul Motolites ($200) Canti Levers ($80) and Rear Funky Monkey ($35)

[Stephen D]

For Sale:

1) Paul Motolites pair (silver). Used for only a few rides. Comes with only 
one cable hanger, but I'm including a pair of Cane Creek Drop V long pull 
levers. $200 includes priority mail shipping with insurance. ($190 local 
pickup in Baltimore)

2) Paul Canti Levers (polished) - Very good condition. $80 includes 
priority mail shipping with insurance ($70 local pickup in Baltimore)

3) Paul Funky Monkey Rear (black) - Excellent condition - looks new except 
for pictured scratches - $35 shipped priority mail ($30 local pickup in 
Baltimore)

https://www.flickr.com/photos/stephendm/sets/72157689648078331


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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones Sr details

[William!]

>From what I’ve read so far, FJS sounds like it is going to be somewhere 
>between a lovely bike to own and an instant classic.

I love the blend of old and new lugs, the way it showcases innovation on an 
“obsolete” technology — and (why not?) some lovely fillet brazing to boot. All 
the single speeds I’ve owned are do-what-you-can conversions. I love that FJS 
has been designed exclusively and thoughtfully for one cog and all it 
represents (extra long dropouts, no pump stop, cables stops on top!). All with 
the ride quality, practicality and smart looks of a Rivendell. Doesn’t hurt 
either that I’m one of the odd ones out who still prefers drop bars...

To summarize: .

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Re: [RBW] Re: Time Traveling Grant?

[Jack Barnes]

The bar-end shifters also caught my eye.

Must be an early Riv model though no way to pull a wheelie like that with a 
long wheelbase!

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Re: [RBW] New Lugged Bike Builder of Note

[Lee Legrand]

Sweet.  If he keeps progressing with work like that, he will one of the
best frame builder in the country.

On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 10:02 AM, Addison Wilhite 
wrote:

> Happy Sunday morning all,
> I shared this on the ibob list but it later occurred to me that I should
> share it here as well.  A friend of mine has been apprenticing with Roland
> Della Santa for a few years and has just unveiled his first bike.  He built
> it for his father for his birthday and it's a stunner.  It's been fun to
> see Jake work with Roland because he has pushed Roland a bit beyond the
> Italian race bike model, with some wider clearances and more practical
> designs.  My last DS was pretty much built by Jake and some of you may have
> already seen pics of that.  Jake has what I think might be the only lugged,
> adventure, mountain bike, Roland ever made.
>
> Anyway, here is Barrett #1 with lots of pics.  We had a little event at
> the Dropout Bikeshop here in Reno for the Reno Rambler Cycling Club to
> unveil it.  Enjoy!
>
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2017/12/theres-new-sheriff-in-town.html
>
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>
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> 
>
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>
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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones Sr details

[Ken Yokanovich]

Dibs on one of the 59z in Grilver, no other questions asked, no hesitation. 
Take my money please. 

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones Sr details

[Belopsky]

Thanks for popping in here, Grant! Will be see more info such as full 
drawings when all the details are released this week?

On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 10:33:50 AM UTC-5, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> There's new info there, but no full drawings. The chainstays are long 
> enough to easily accept a 38 tire moving back and forth, and probably with 
> a  fender if you can finagle it (it's possible, as long as you don't insist 
> on supreme "fender lines" throughout the range). The seat- and head tube 
> angles are what anybody who knows our bikes has come to expect--shallow 
> seat, moderate head---and the fork rakes balance to the head tube angles 
> for handling the way we like it. The drop, the same as on Roadinis. 
> Tailored to road use, not steeply banked tracks. Two bottle bosses, eight 
> dropout eyelets, midfork and high rack mounts, split cable stops at 11:00 
> so you can shoulder it cyclo-cross style and bound up the train station 
> stairs. We overthought it in a typical way, as both a matter of pride and 
> reputation, and to avoid shame and angry customers. I think at least by now 
> there's more tech-numbers on the FJS (with an availability quotient of less 
> than 30) than you'll find on most bikes made by the tens of thousands. 
> And...the neat thing is—it's Rivendellish people who know and care enough 
> to ask! 
>
> On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 1:55:20 PM UTC-8, tc wrote:
>>
>> Don't bother calling Riv ... I talked to Harry today -- he had no 
>> additional details except the frame will be $1500 including frame, fork, 
>> headset, seat post.  They're "too busy" to get the geometry numbers...those 
>> will supposedly be available on the site Monday or Tuesday.  
>>
>> On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 11:16:34 AM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm surprised a new thread hasn't already started on this:
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Time Traveling Grant?

[Jan Heine]

That seems most likely. I was wondering why would an American actor would 
be doing wheelies in a French village, perfectly coiffed and with a 
professional photographer in attendance!

Jan Heine
Editor
Bicycle Quarterly

On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 2:59:57 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> Or a movie set? It looks almost *too* genuine to be a real French village. 
>
> –Eric N
>
>
> On Dec 16, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Jan Heine  > wrote:
>
> Neat photo! The sign in the back says "Cremerie" and "Beurres," so it's 
> probably France.
>
> Jan Heine
> Editor
> Bicycle Quarterly
>
> On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 10:12:08 AM UTC-8, JohnS wrote:
>>
>> Very cool indeed! That has to be the tallest stem that I've ever seen. 
>> What do you think of the location? France, Spain or Italy?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> JohnS
>>
>> On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 10:24:21 AM UTC-5, Eric Norris wrote:
>>>
>>> Very interesting—wonder if Grant traveled back in time to deliver this 
>>> bike to actor Dean Jones? I see moustache-y bars, ‘bars raised to the sky, 
>>> flat pedals ... and Jones is wearing street clothes (and no helmet) and 
>>> riding in a very “just have fun” way, 
>>>
>>> Grant? Do you have something to tell us?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones Sr details

[Grant @ Rivendell]

There's new info there, but no full drawings. The chainstays are long 
enough to easily accept a 38 tire moving back and forth, and probably with 
a  fender if you can finagle it (it's possible, as long as you don't insist 
on supreme "fender lines" throughout the range). The seat- and head tube 
angles are what anybody who knows our bikes has come to expect--shallow 
seat, moderate head---and the fork rakes balance to the head tube angles 
for handling the way we like it. The drop, the same as on Roadinis. 
Tailored to road use, not steeply banked tracks. Two bottle bosses, eight 
dropout eyelets, midfork and high rack mounts, split cable stops at 11:00 
so you can shoulder it cyclo-cross style and bound up the train station 
stairs. We overthought it in a typical way, as both a matter of pride and 
reputation, and to avoid shame and angry customers. I think at least by now 
there's more tech-numbers on the FJS (with an availability quotient of less 
than 30) than you'll find on most bikes made by the tens of thousands. 
And...the neat thing is—it's Rivendellish people who know and care enough 
to ask! 

On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 1:55:20 PM UTC-8, tc wrote:
>
> Don't bother calling Riv ... I talked to Harry today -- he had no 
> additional details except the frame will be $1500 including frame, fork, 
> headset, seat post.  They're "too busy" to get the geometry numbers...those 
> will supposedly be available on the site Monday or Tuesday.  
>
> On Saturday, December 16, 2017 at 11:16:34 AM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>>
>> I'm surprised a new thread hasn't already started on this:
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Time Traveling Grant?

[Eric Norris]

Very cool! I have to let Santa know about this ...

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> On Dec 16, 2017, at 9:50 PM, Timothy Hurley  
> wrote:
> 
> The guy who runs that blog made a rad book of old Hollywood people riding 
> bikes. Check it out:
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/Hollywood-Rides-Bike-Cycling-Stars/dp/1883318637
> 
> He also did one about coffee:
> https://www.amazon.com/Hollywood-Café-Coffee-Steven-Rea/dp/0764349899
> 
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[RBW] New Lugged Bike Builder of Note

[Addison Wilhite]

Happy Sunday morning all,
I shared this on the ibob list but it later occurred to me that I should
share it here as well.  A friend of mine has been apprenticing with Roland
Della Santa for a few years and has just unveiled his first bike.  He built
it for his father for his birthday and it's a stunner.  It's been fun to
see Jake work with Roland because he has pushed Roland a bit beyond the
Italian race bike model, with some wider clearances and more practical
designs.  My last DS was pretty much built by Jake and some of you may have
already seen pics of that.  Jake has what I think might be the only lugged,
adventure, mountain bike, Roland ever made.

Anyway, here is Barrett #1 with lots of pics.  We had a little event at the
Dropout Bikeshop here in Reno for the Reno Rambler Cycling Club to unveil
it.  Enjoy!

http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2017/12/theres-new-sheriff-in-town.html

Addison Wilhite, M.A.

Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 

*“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*

Educator: Professional Portfolio 

Blogger: Reno Rambler 

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Belopsky]

Crank considerations?

Will be interested to see what build kit Riv puts together for this.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[Addison Wilhite]

I hadn't really thought much about this until this thread came along but it
occurs to me that I've had my Allrounder in all sorts of configurations
with drops and mustache bars, but about two years ago I converted it to a
more upright cruiser albatross with racks to transport stuff thinking it
would be more of an errand bike for groceries and such.  My riding time on
that bike has dropped drastically.  I think that's telling me I need to go
back to an earlier cockpit.  It seems like in retrospect the most fun
builds were fattish tires with mustache bars but the more practical option
was drops and more touring oriented.  To see those different builds you can
click here:

http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2013/01/rivendell-allrounder-jack-of-all.html

Best,


Addison Wilhite, M.A.

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Educator: Professional Portfolio 

Blogger: Reno Rambler 


On Sun, Dec 17, 2017 at 12:38 AM, Corwin  wrote:

> I also concur - upright is less desirable than drops. I have two bikes
> with drop bars and two bikes with "original" mustache bars. On one of those
> bikes - a tandem - my wife rides stoker with albatross and I captain with
> mustache. I get minimal power from my legs in an upright posture. Just does
> not work for me. So much so that on my Rivendell Custom, I added the
> requirement that the bars be 3 cm below the saddle. When I test rode the
> bike, we started with the bars and saddle level. Kept removing spacers from
> the stem till we got the bars down to just above the headset.
>
> The threadless fork steerer still sticks out about 3/4 inch above the stem.
>
> I get incredible power from this riding position.
>
> Namaste,
>
>
> Corwin
>
> On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 7:23:46 AM UTC-8, lum gim fong wrote:
>
>> So I converted the Bleriot to upright so I could ride wifespeeds without
>> hand discomfort  that comes with riding that slow for an entire ride on
>> drops.
>>
>>  What I have found, in riding upright,  is that the discomfort of the
>> hands is reduced 75% and the butt discomfort 100% increase ( which was
>> nonexistent when I rode with drops) makes me want to just go back to drops.
>> I am more comfortable riding at wifespeed (and all other speeds) with
>> drops, turns out. No matter the bar heights or saddles.
>>
>> Also, headwinds are noticably more noticeable and wintry blasts harder to
>> endure while upright.
>>
>> I don't think I have never heard of someone on this list, or from Walnut
>> Creek finding uprighting to be less comfortable than dropsing. So I thought
>> I'd include it as a datapoint here.
>>
>> Has anyone here also found upriding to not be their cup of tea?
>>
>> I will say though that upriding provides fantastic views.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones, latest Knothole post

[Belopsky]

Looks like there are more numbers now:
/quote

Frame sizeTTcm  conservative PBH range

48.5   53.564.5-67

51.5   54.4 !  66.5-69.2

53  55.3 !  68.5 - 72

55  56.270.5 - 73.5

57   57.572.5 - 75.5

59   58.174.5 - 79.5

These recommendations are rough, loose, and assume a Nitto stem with at 
least a 190mm quill. We now stock the Tallux with 225mm, which is probably 
too long for the 53cm and smaller. With the Tallux on the smaller bikes, 
you won't be able to get it even level with the saddle. I'm not 
computer-modeling any of this, sorry, but it's pretty close to right.


/end quote

I assume that by PBH he means seat height?
The 53 is looking mighty good, but the 55 may work as well. 

How does Rivendell typically 'measure' their frame size? Is it bb center to 
[theoretical] top?

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Matt B.]

+1 that table seems spot on. Saddle height 81, QB size 64


On Sunday, December 17, 2017 at 3:55:17 AM UTC-5, Corwin wrote:
>
> The production run of Quickbeams seems to match the suggested size 
> recommendations. My PBH is 88. Saddle height is approximately 78 cm. My 
> Quickbeam is a 62cm frame. When I test rode the Qucikbeam at Rivendell in 
> late 2004, Grant said I could ride a 60 or 62 cm Quickbeam - exactly as the 
> table suggests.
>
> Namaste,
>
>
> Corwin
>
> On Friday, December 15, 2017 at 3:43:16 PM UTC-8, tc wrote:
>>
>> Hmm ... was the actual production Quickbeam & SimpleOne recommended 
>> sizing different from what that reader article posted?  I was not able to 
>> find any other PBH- or saddle height-based QB sizing info.
>>
>> On Friday, December 15, 2017 at 6:03:25 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for posting.  It's interesting reading the old pre-release stuff, 
>>> and comparing to how it came out in the end.  Did Curt and Joe actually 
>>> build the first QBs, or did they go straight to Panasonic?  Anybody know?
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: "We’ll have “classic” single speed frames again...."

[Corwin]

The production run of Quickbeams seems to match the suggested size 
recommendations. My PBH is 88. Saddle height is approximately 78 cm. My 
Quickbeam is a 62cm frame. When I test rode the Qucikbeam at Rivendell in 
late 2004, Grant said I could ride a 60 or 62 cm Quickbeam - exactly as the 
table suggests.

Namaste,


Corwin

On Friday, December 15, 2017 at 3:43:16 PM UTC-8, tc wrote:
>
> Hmm ... was the actual production Quickbeam & SimpleOne recommended sizing 
> different from what that reader article posted?  I was not able to find any 
> other PBH- or saddle height-based QB sizing info.
>
> On Friday, December 15, 2017 at 6:03:25 PM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for posting.  It's interesting reading the old pre-release stuff, 
>> and comparing to how it came out in the end.  Did Curt and Joe actually 
>> build the first QBs, or did they go straight to Panasonic?  Anybody know?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Found Upright riding worse than drops riding.

[Corwin]

I also concur - upright is less desirable than drops. I have two bikes with 
drop bars and two bikes with "original" mustache bars. On one of those 
bikes - a tandem - my wife rides stoker with albatross and I captain with 
mustache. I get minimal power from my legs in an upright posture. Just does 
not work for me. So much so that on my Rivendell Custom, I added the 
requirement that the bars be 3 cm below the saddle. When I test rode the 
bike, we started with the bars and saddle level. Kept removing spacers from 
the stem till we got the bars down to just above the headset.

The threadless fork steerer still sticks out about 3/4 inch above the stem.

I get incredible power from this riding position.

Namaste,


Corwin

On Saturday, December 9, 2017 at 7:23:46 AM UTC-8, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> So I converted the Bleriot to upright so I could ride wifespeeds without 
> hand discomfort  that comes with riding that slow for an entire ride on 
> drops. 
>
>  What I have found, in riding upright,  is that the discomfort of the 
> hands is reduced 75% and the butt discomfort 100% increase ( which was 
> nonexistent when I rode with drops) makes me want to just go back to drops. 
> I am more comfortable riding at wifespeed (and all other speeds) with 
> drops, turns out. No matter the bar heights or saddles.
>
> Also, headwinds are noticably more noticeable and wintry blasts harder to 
> endure while upright.
>
> I don't think I have never heard of someone on this list, or from Walnut 
> Creek finding uprighting to be less comfortable than dropsing. So I thought 
> I'd include it as a datapoint here.
>
> Has anyone here also found upriding to not be their cup of tea?
>
> I will say though that upriding provides fantastic views.
>
>

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