[RBW] Alone in a Sea of Autos

[Lum Gim Fong]

Yes. Riding can be a lonely business.
But I like riding alone.
One gets to enjoy the beauty of God’s creation better when not talking and just 
enjoying the sights and smells and breezes and sounds. Intoxicating.

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[RBW] Alone in a Sea of Autos

[J Imler]

I do my best to ride my bike vs drive, mostly because riding is a lot of fun 
along with personal and enviro benefits. In the last six months I've put 2,000 
miles on my car. I'm shooting for a sub 5k year. We'll see. 
The thing that strikes me more and more is how few people ride in my town and 
how enclosed everyone appears in their cars. I feel like I'm sticking out like 
a sore thumb. There's a quote I like, the one that says be the change you wish 
to see in the world. I feel I'm living that out when I decide to ride vs drive.
Today there was some enjoyment and connection between myself and the drivers 
though. Several waved and smiled, like they wanted to be riding too. That made 
me feel good. 
I'm sure every place has a different cycling culture but can anyone relate to 
what I'm talking about?

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[RBW] WTB or trade: Nitto F-15 Handlebar Rack

[allenmichael]

I just ordered one of the blue bar sacks before they were all gone. I sold 
my rack though on this list awhile back.

Anyone have a lonely rack lying about?

I have some 700c Rich-Built wheels lying about that I could trade. Or pay 
cash.

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Re: [RBW] Re: What type of bike would make you buy another riv

[Bill Lindsay]

I like your burnt orange Roadeo a lot. It looks great with Barlow Pass tires. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Protovelo

[Joe Bernard]

Did anybody grab this? I'm curious to see how it plays out 'cause I think I've 
seen this bike before. 

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[RBW] FS: 64cm DTT Atlantis

[Justin Schoop]

Price drop, f/f/h for $1800. 

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[RBW] Frank Jones Senor on the BLUG

[Joe Bernard]

Thanks, Philip! I broke down and put my Nitto rear rack on today cuz, well, it 
was there, and I have bags for it. It kinda defeats the stripped-down vibe I 
was going for, but it sure was helpful for a shopping run today. 

I can't say enough about the 2-speed setup. I'm a notoriously lazy rider, and 
have a bad habit of downshifting at the first hint of hill or wind. With this I 
just grind out the big ring without a thought of gearing or effort until it 
becomes painfully obvious that I need to grab that granny. I think this is 
going to make me a stronger, faster rider..plus it's fun!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Design your custom

[Philip Williamson]

Yes! I believe that will be a success. I look forward to the ride reports on 
it. 

Patrick, your fantasy fixed Legolas might be cleaner than mine, but couldn’t be 
nicer than mine. A 58 simply doesn’t measure up, proportionally. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 

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[RBW] Frank Jones Senor on the BLUG

[Philip Williamson]

Agh! This is clearly the second Quickbeam I need to have. Put the kickback 
wheelset back on the green one, the Paul double-fixed on this, and shrink four 
inches.

Super well done. 

Also, Joe’s double Cheviot looks fast as hell just standing there. Beautiful.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: What type of bike would make you buy another riv

[Ben Miller]

My apologies if I butchered your words, Bill. I'll be more careful in the 
future ;) You are correct, there is no way that the Roadeo could fit 44's. 
The 38' are very tight as is. Probably not recommended and that's why Riv 
lists 35's as max. 

I'm currently laid up with a broken leg, which is keeping me pretty 
immobile. (Not a bike accident) So, getting the bike down to take a picture 
is out of the question at the moment. As I recall there is about 1.5 mm of 
clearance (41 mm gap at chainstay). But, to not totally leave you 
wondering, here is a few pictures of the 
bike https://www.instagram.com/p/Bd3t8J1hh0b/?hl=en

On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 11:43:42 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Careful there.  That's not exactly what I said.  Laing said he wanted a 
> stripped down roadbike that took 38 or 44 tires.  Steve Palinscar responded 
> by recommending that Laing buy a Roadeo.  I responded to Steve's 
> recommendation that a Roadeo "does not take 38 or 44 tires".  In one sense, 
> I was wrong.  If the question was "Does a Roadeo allow you to use EITHER 
> 38mm OR 44mm tires?" then you've shown the answer is yes.  If the question 
> is "Does a Roadeo give me the freedom to run my choice of 38mm or 44mm 
> tires?" then the answer is no.  
>
> It's cool that your Roadeo takes 38s, but I would bet a dollar that your 
> Roadeo can't take 44mm tires, and that's all I intended.  
>
> Please post photos of the closest clearance spots on your Roadeo with 
> 700x38 tires, if you don't mind.  What width rims are you running?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 11:05:42 AM UTC-8, Ben Miller wrote:
>>
>> Bill Lindsay wrote that the Roadeo doesn't take 38mm tyres. 
>>
>> That is what the official Riv geometry charts says. I however have been 
>> riding my Roadeo with Compass 700x38 tyres for at least 3000 km. 
>>
>> Also, I'm basically at the opposite end from Laing. I wish my Roadeo came 
>> with Mid fork rack braze-ons and have often thought about adding them. 
>>
>> Ben
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones Senor on the BLUG

[Joe Bernard]

Eh, you should be ok, Jeremy. You'll still have the clean, derailer-less 
chainline, which my 2-speed Cheviot sacrifices to a front derailer and Paul 
Melvin. I love that look, but there's no real world in which I'm going to stop 
and change gears by hand..I'm not that cool! 

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[RBW] Re: Design your custom

[Eric Karnes]

A 62cm Quickbeam/SimpleOne built for gears with standard dropouts and 
130mm. And an extra threadless fork (I'm unusual on this forum, but I love 
the look of 1" threadless with a beautiful custom steel stem). 

Eric

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>
> All this talk of Rivs you'd buy if Grant/Riv made it got me to thinking of 
> what my custom-I'll-probably-never-order would be. This is isn't outside 
> the parameters of what they currently build - no Hunqadiscers or F Frames 
> or cargo bikes - but a custom you can order from Mark Nobilette via Riv 
> today. Here's mine:
>
> I'd like something similar to the original Rivendell Mountain, now with 
> 650B wheels. All the fancy lugs and Joe Bell paint, Candy Apple Red. It'd 
> be a bit of a Suntour celebration with XC Pro cranks, derailers and cantis, 
> but with modern Shimano hubs, 8-speed cassette and Silver 2 shifters. Some 
> kinda retro brake levers from the CNC era, preferably with some red 
> anodizing. Bars are a tossup between original Riv Bullmoose and Nitto 
> Jitensha. Boy, now that I've typed this up it sounds like a really nice 
> bike! Your turn. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

[Ian A]

"Tea's ready"!

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones Senor on the BLUG

[Jeremy Tavan]

I do love the clean and simple look. It makes me question my plans for a 
triple-crankset Frank Jones Sr. build (42x16, 36x19, 28x22). Hopefully we 
can keep everything else nice and clean like this. :)

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>
> I love the 'Rivendell custom' head lugs and Roadini seat cluster. And the 
> simple, straightforward look of the single drivetrain. Next to the word 
> 'bicycle' in the dictionary is a Frank Jones Sn.  

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[RBW] Frank Jones Senor on the BLUG

[Joe Bernard]

I love the 'Rivendell custom' head lugs and Roadini seat cluster. And the 
simple, straightforward look of the single drivetrain. Next to the word 
'bicycle' in the dictionary is a Frank Jones Sn.  

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[RBW] Frank Jones Senor on the BLUG

[Deacon Patrick]

Fixed dingle cog. Excellent!

With abandon,
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[RBW] Frank Jones Senor on the BLUG

[Deacon Patrick]

Always lovely to see someone else also dumb enough to dirt on one speed! Grin. 
Love it!

With abandon,
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[RBW] Frank Jones Senor on the BLUG

[Kieran J]

That is super nice. I'm not a SS-er myself, but I like that!

KJ

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Re: [RBW] Re: Design your custom

[Deacon Patrick]

Ha! Philip and Patrick of the Moore — the proof of concept of the custom 
dropout on stock frame is coming with the Hunqabeam Quickapillar. Grin.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: MUSA wool striped longsleeve shirt (L)

[Patrick Moore]

I meant  the Castelli jersey. Can you give me those measurements?

If it fits, I'll happily part-trade.

Thanks.

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 3:46 PM, Joe Bunik  wrote:

> hi Patrick
>
> The MUSA heather-grey stripe shirt has sold; The Bridgestone/Castelli
> XL orange wool jersey and the MUSA Railroad shirt are still available
> ($50/shipped ea.)
>
> Let me know off-list if either of those are of interest, thanks!
> (Patrick: happy to partial-trade either of those w/ you, as well!)
> =- Joe
>
> On 2/7/18, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> > Joe: what are the measurements:
> >
> > Pit to pit
> > Bottom of collar seam (ie where collar is sewn to body) to tail
> > Arm length: pit to end of sleeve?
> >
> > I may be interested if it's not too big.
> >
> > Thanks, Patrick
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 1:33 PM, Joe Bunik  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi chaingang,
> >>
> >> The MUSA shirt is SOLD; however--
> >>
> >> I still have the XL wool, classic Bridgestone, ORANGE jersey:
> >>
> >> Bridgestone Castelli 100% Wool Cycling Jersey size 7 or XL
> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/sets/72157661722811934
> >>
> >> Make me an offer!
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> =- Joe Bunik
> >> Walnut Creek, CA
> >>
> >> On 2/5/18, Daniel Jackson  wrote:
> >> > PM Sent
> >> >
> >> > On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 9:09:53 PM UTC-5, jbu...@gmail.com
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/sets/72157692200103054
> >> >>
> >> >> OP searching for one of these didn't want my VG++ heather-purple/grey
> >> >> stripe, large MUSA top (only worn twice or thrice?); there is a tiny
> >> >> bit of loose threading at the bottom hem, which is inconsequential.
> >> >>
> >> >> $45 shipped CONUS
> >> >> =- Joe Bunik
> >> >> Walnut Creek, CA
> >> >>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Design your custom

[Patrick Moore]

Except mine would be nicer.

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 3:28 PM, Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Twinsies!
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 12:15:47 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Oh, I want one of those too, except 58 cm c-c. And Rivendell Sage Green
>> with cream accents.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 12:26 PM, Philip Williamson > > wrote:
>>
>>> Fantasy custom? 62cm Legolas with Quickbeam singlespeed track ends. In
>>> sage green, or black. Or the sand color that looks so good on those.
>>>
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[RBW] WTB: 60-70mm quill stem 26.0 clamp

[Edwin W]

(Excuse the cross post from iBob list, but I wasn't getting any luck over 
there.)

Anyone have one they are not using? Nitto technomic deluxe preferred. 
Nobody took me up on my offer to trade so I will just ask for upright 
sales.. but I do have a 90mm technomic deluxe 26.0 (too long) and a 70mm 
standard older stem 25.4 for sale/trade if anyone wants to make a deal.
Send me a pic and a price !
Dweendaddy (at} hotmail

Edwin

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: MUSA wool striped longsleeve shirt (L)

[Joe Bunik]

hi Patrick

The MUSA heather-grey stripe shirt has sold; The Bridgestone/Castelli
XL orange wool jersey and the MUSA Railroad shirt are still available
($50/shipped ea.)

Let me know off-list if either of those are of interest, thanks!
(Patrick: happy to partial-trade either of those w/ you, as well!)
=- Joe

On 2/7/18, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> Joe: what are the measurements:
>
> Pit to pit
> Bottom of collar seam (ie where collar is sewn to body) to tail
> Arm length: pit to end of sleeve?
>
> I may be interested if it's not too big.
>
> Thanks, Patrick
>
> On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 1:33 PM, Joe Bunik  wrote:
>
>> Hi chaingang,
>>
>> The MUSA shirt is SOLD; however--
>>
>> I still have the XL wool, classic Bridgestone, ORANGE jersey:
>>
>> Bridgestone Castelli 100% Wool Cycling Jersey size 7 or XL
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/sets/72157661722811934
>>
>> Make me an offer!
>>
>> Thanks
>> =- Joe Bunik
>> Walnut Creek, CA
>>
>> On 2/5/18, Daniel Jackson  wrote:
>> > PM Sent
>> >
>> > On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 9:09:53 PM UTC-5, jbu...@gmail.com
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/sets/72157692200103054
>> >>
>> >> OP searching for one of these didn't want my VG++ heather-purple/grey
>> >> stripe, large MUSA top (only worn twice or thrice?); there is a tiny
>> >> bit of loose threading at the bottom hem, which is inconsequential.
>> >>
>> >> $45 shipped CONUS
>> >> =- Joe Bunik
>> >> Walnut Creek, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Design your custom

[Philip Williamson]

Twinsies!

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA


On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 12:15:47 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Oh, I want one of those too, except 58 cm c-c. And Rivendell Sage Green 
> with cream accents.
>
> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 12:26 PM, Philip Williamson  > wrote:
>
>> Fantasy custom? 62cm Legolas with Quickbeam singlespeed track ends. In 
>> sage green, or black. Or the sand color that looks so good on those. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

[Patrick Moore]

Let's get Monty Python back On Topic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U01xasUtlvw

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 2:50 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Hey Philip,
> — Yes, slippery slope is a logical falicy, as well as, done properly, a
> logical argument.
> — Nae, I took no umbrage to “ghetto tubeless.”
> — I had no idea an invitation to expand knowledge was a statement that I
> was offended and asking for anyone to reign in anything. I also recommend
> expanding ones knowledge by looking up what the Church’s original reason
> for sensoring Galeleo was (it became mutually messy and stupid after that,
> but never because the Church was anti-science) and just what the various
> Crusades were really about and why. Monty Python’s use of the cultural
> ignorance called the Spanish Inquisition is hilarious. I was pointing out
> the cultural ignorance and inviting people to learn about it for themselves.
> — I love Monty Python! Brilliant, hillarious, equal opportunity insulters.
> “She’s not a witch! She’s a duck!”
>
> Now, can we please get back to bringing out our dead of winter doldrums?
> Grin. “Bring out your dead! Bring out your dead!” Let’s hope winter’s not
> dead yet though, we haven’t had enough here. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

[Deacon Patrick]

Hey Philip,
— Yes, slippery slope is a logical falicy, as well as, done properly, a logical 
argument.
— Nae, I took no umbrage to “ghetto tubeless.”
— I had no idea an invitation to expand knowledge was a statement that I was 
offended and asking for anyone to reign in anything. I also recommend expanding 
ones knowledge by looking up what the Church’s original reason for sensoring 
Galeleo was (it became mutually messy and stupid after that, but never because 
the Church was anti-science) and just what the various Crusades were really 
about and why. Monty Python’s use of the cultural ignorance called the Spanish 
Inquisition is hilarious. I was pointing out the cultural ignorance and 
inviting people to learn about it for themselves.
— I love Monty Python! Brilliant, hillarious, equal opportunity insulters. 
“She’s not a witch! She’s a duck!”

Now, can we please get back to bringing out our dead of winter doldrums? Grin. 
“Bring out your dead! Bring out your dead!” Let’s hope winter’s not dead yet 
though, we haven’t had enough here. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: MUSA wool striped longsleeve shirt (L)

[Patrick Moore]

Joe: what are the measurements:

Pit to pit
Bottom of collar seam (ie where collar is sewn to body) to tail
Arm length: pit to end of sleeve?

I may be interested if it's not too big.

Thanks, Patrick

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 1:33 PM, Joe Bunik  wrote:

> Hi chaingang,
>
> The MUSA shirt is SOLD; however--
>
> I still have the XL wool, classic Bridgestone, ORANGE jersey:
>
> Bridgestone Castelli 100% Wool Cycling Jersey size 7 or XL
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/sets/72157661722811934
>
> Make me an offer!
>
> Thanks
> =- Joe Bunik
> Walnut Creek, CA
>
> On 2/5/18, Daniel Jackson  wrote:
> > PM Sent
> >
> > On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 9:09:53 PM UTC-5, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/sets/72157692200103054
> >>
> >> OP searching for one of these didn't want my VG++ heather-purple/grey
> >> stripe, large MUSA top (only worn twice or thrice?); there is a tiny
> >> bit of loose threading at the bottom hem, which is inconsequential.
> >>
> >> $45 shipped CONUS
> >> =- Joe Bunik
> >> Walnut Creek, CA
> >>
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[RBW] Re: Design your custom

[EasyRider]

I just realized my "custom" is actually a stock 52cm cantilever Hilsen with 
a custom color. Perhaps a Pear Green, then.

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 12:36:24 PM UTC-5, EasyRider wrote:
>
> Same here, 650b Roadeo with clearance for 38 with fenders. I'm 5'7" and 
> have a couple 700c bikes, (RB-T and rosco road, both 53cm). Toe overlap 
> doesn't bother me that much, but the frame would prob be easier to design, 
> the triangle could fit bottles and a pump more easily, and it'd look more 
> proportional, I think. It's a custom, looks are important :)

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville, Velocity, and Old Parts Bin (some free local pickup)

[Bob B]

Bump, updated availability and prices. 


PM me if interested. Local pickup in NYC/Brooklyn can be arranged. 
Pictures: https://photos.app.goo.gl/J3NHA6WqEVV5SvpK2

*SOLD **Sackville Bar Tube Olive:* New condition. Always kinda wanted one 
and when Riv announced it was discontinued I jumped on it, but then 
realized it doesn't really work if you're already using a basket and a shop 
sack like me (no longer available from Riv). I added some paracord pulls on 
the zippers to make them easier to grab. $60 shipped 

*Velocity Atlas front wheel:* 700c, 36 spoke, velocity hub, dt champion 
spokes. built by velocity and bought from Riv. Includes velox rim tape and 
orig skewer. 500 miles, perfect shape. I built a new dynamo front wheel to 
replace it. $100 local pickup in NYC/Brooklyn. I can ship but buyer would 
pay shipping cost. 


*Old Parts Bin:*
*All below except Bstone brakes, Sakae bars, and unused Kalloy seatpost: 
FREE LOCAL PICKUP*

*Brakes (pair), Bridgestone Self-centering:* includes hardware, nutted, In 
good shape. $20 local pickup *$25* shipped

*Brakes, Shimano BR-R451 Tiagra:* dirt and scratches but work fine. 
recessed nut. I stretched the reach on these at one point by filing out the 
channels by a couple of mm, as shown. Free pickup, *$15* shipped

*Handlebars, Sakae CT:* 26.0mm. About 40mm wide. from '87 Bstone T700. *$10* 
pickup, $25 shipped

*Handlebars, no brand Taiwan swept back:* 25.4mm. About 52mm wide, a little 
rise. Free pickup, $20 shipped

*SOLD **Stem, MTB with integrated cable hanger:* 25.4 clamp from bstone 
cb-zip, Free pickup, $8 shipped

*Stem, no brand:* Free pickup, $8 shipped 

*Levers, Dia Compe Road:*  Free pickup, *$12* shipped

*Levers, Dia compe XCE mtb short stop:* Free pickup, $8 shipped

*SOLD **Shifters, 7spd Shimano Light action:* index/friction, Free 
pickup, $6 shipped or $2 with levers (above) 

*Pedals, Sakae:* Free pickup, $15 shipped

*Seatpost, Kalloy Uno:* New condition. 26.4mm *$12* pickup, *$15* shipped

*Cassette, Sunrace 7sp hyperglide:* 12–24t, used, includes cassette spacer. 
Free pickup, $8 shipped

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Protovelo

[Kieran J]

Cool ride!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Design your custom

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, I want one of those too, except 58 cm c-c. And Rivendell Sage Green
with cream accents.

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 12:26 PM, Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Fantasy custom? 62cm Legolas with Quickbeam singlespeed track ends. In
> sage green, or black. Or the sand color that looks so good on those.
>
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[RBW] Design your custom

[Kurt Manley]

Lighter Hunqapillar with 27.5 x 2.8 tires and a horizontal extra tube like on 
the green Roscoe V2's. All day comfy trail shredder with a klunker vibe. Short 
(by riv standards) stays.

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[RBW] Re: Design your custom

[Joe Bernard]

That's my thinking, too, Keith. I momentarily paused on "Do I want my fancy 
pricey custom to be my do everything street-and-dirt bike?", and settled on 
definitely. If I'm spending that kinda dough on a bicycle, I want it out at the 
bike park in all it's fancy glory, mixing it up with the $6000 boingy bikes: 
"Hiya, kids!" 

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[RBW] Re: Design your custom

[iamkeith]

56cm version of the Clem Smith Jr.;  700c wheels like the 59, but perhaps 
slightly shorter chainstays; all-lugged construction. Done.  

I know that the Clem was conceived as a 'beater' bike of sorts, but why 
shouldn't the bike I ride 75% of the time be my nicest?  If/when I do a 
custom, this is likely what it will be.  I've been thinking about this a 
lot lately AND may soon actually be flush for a change.


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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Sakae 1-inch threadless "Herse-style" girder stem

[Bill Lindsay]

A Legolas, you say.hmmm

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> Bill / Joe / all, 
>
> Updated photos here: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/albums/72157691445599151 
>
> Yes-- this is a 1-inch threadless stem… as found on the Legolas and 
> Roadeo (trying to keep it on-topic for this list!). Indeed, the bar 
> size at the clamp end also happens to be 25.4. 
>
> So I just took an early lunch and "fixed that for you", and it now 
> works well with drops. Yes, I admit to having two of these in the 
> stash… and will be keeping this one. The other (also NOS) one remains 
> untouched. Or, buy my lunch, and I'll sell you this modified one for 
> $60 shipped! ;-) 
>
> The other one is still available… 
> =- Joe Bunik 
> Walnut Creek, CA 
>
>
> On 2/7/18, Bill Lindsay  wrote: 
> > If the steerer clamp is not 25.4mm then what is it?  "1-inch threadless 
> > stem" certainly suggested to me that it's a stem to fit a 1-inch 
> threadless 
> > 
> > steerer.  If it's a stem to fit a 1-inch threadless steerer, then it 
> > definitely should be 25.4mm. 
> > 
> > Bill 
> > 
> > On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 10:35:01 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote: 
> >> 
> >> The bar clamp would be 25.4, not the steerer. 
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[RBW] Re: Design your custom

[Philip Williamson]

Fantasy custom? 62cm Legolas with Quickbeam singlespeed track ends. In sage 
green, or black. Or the sand color that looks so good on those. 


Philip
Santa Rosa, CA  

On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 7:39:53 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> All this talk of Rivs you'd buy if Grant/Riv made it got me to thinking of 
> what my custom-I'll-probably-never-order would be. This is isn't outside 
> the parameters of what they currently build - no Hunqadiscers or F Frames 
> or cargo bikes - but a custom you can order from Mark Nobilette via Riv 
> today. Here's mine:
>
> I'd like something similar to the original Rivendell Mountain, now with 
> 650B wheels. All the fancy lugs and Joe Bell paint, Candy Apple Red. It'd 
> be a bit of a Suntour celebration with XC Pro cranks, derailers and cantis, 
> but with modern Shimano hubs, 8-speed cassette and Silver 2 shifters. Some 
> kinda retro brake levers from the CNC era, preferably with some red 
> anodizing. Bars are a tossup between original Riv Bullmoose and Nitto 
> Jitensha. Boy, now that I've typed this up it sounds like a really nice 
> bike! Your turn. 
>
> Joe Bernard
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Sakae 1-inch threadless "Herse-style" girder stem

[Joe Bunik]

Bill / Joe / all,

Updated photos here:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/albums/72157691445599151

Yes-- this is a 1-inch threadless stem… as found on the Legolas and
Roadeo (trying to keep it on-topic for this list!). Indeed, the bar
size at the clamp end also happens to be 25.4.

So I just took an early lunch and "fixed that for you", and it now
works well with drops. Yes, I admit to having two of these in the
stash… and will be keeping this one. The other (also NOS) one remains
untouched. Or, buy my lunch, and I'll sell you this modified one for
$60 shipped! ;-)

The other one is still available…
=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA


On 2/7/18, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> If the steerer clamp is not 25.4mm then what is it?  "1-inch threadless
> stem" certainly suggested to me that it's a stem to fit a 1-inch threadless
>
> steerer.  If it's a stem to fit a 1-inch threadless steerer, then it
> definitely should be 25.4mm.
>
> Bill
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 10:35:01 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> The bar clamp would be 25.4, not the steerer.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Sakae 1-inch threadless "Herse-style" girder stem

[Bill Lindsay]

If the steerer clamp is not 25.4mm then what is it?  "1-inch threadless 
stem" certainly suggested to me that it's a stem to fit a 1-inch threadless 
steerer.  If it's a stem to fit a 1-inch threadless steerer, then it 
definitely should be 25.4mm.  

Bill

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> The bar clamp would be 25.4, not the steerer. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sakae 1-inch threadless "Herse-style" girder stem

[Joe Bernard]

The bar clamp would be 25.4, not the steerer. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sakae 1-inch threadless "Herse-style" girder stem

[Bill Lindsay]

That's cute.   The steerer clamp looks tiny, though.  Are you sure the 
steerer clamp is 25.4mm to clamp on a 1" threadless steerer?  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 9:30:33 AM UTC-8, jbu...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Note: I believe this to be a 25.4 clamp, and intended for flat or 
> upright bars-- the width of the clamp may pose difficulty (at least 
> without modification) in lacing a dropbar through it. 
>
>
> On 2/7/18, Joe Bunik  wrote: 
> > Hi gang, 
> > 
> > https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/albums/72157691445599151 
> > 
> > Need to clear some more space and fund new projects, I have this jewel 
> > from the cave-- a NOS, 110mm Sakae 1-inch threadless stem, that is 
> > strongly reminiscent and undoubtedly influenced by the R. Herse 
> > design. 
> > 
> > These are more commonly (although still obscure) seen in 1-1/8" size 
> > and LOOONGER reaches, i.e. 150 or 130… so this has even more novelty 
> > to it. Rise (or fall) is ~10°. Finish is pristine satin anodization. 
> > 
> > Asking $40 shipped CONUS. Thanks! 
> > =- Joe Bunik 
> > Walnut Creek, CA 
> > 
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[RBW] Re: Design your custom

[Ryan Merrill]

I'm still on the fence with the long chainstays Rivendell is making just 
because I haven't ridden them yet. I have high hopes for my coming 
Appaloosa though, so I will reserve mention on the chainstay length. 

What I really want in a custom is a canti post mixte frame that can take at 
least 2.2 inch tires and haul my butt around on fire roads, gravel trails, 
and singletrack mtb trails (the more buff kind, not the dh course at 
worlds) I'd actually rather have 29 er wheel size, but that is because all 
my current mtb's are 29ers and I get along with that size really well on my 
local trails. I'm a rather short dude, rode a 53 Roadeo, Atlantis, and a 
48cm Hillborne and they all fit me well so if it turns out 650b is the 
better choice I will happily go with that...Grant would have that decision. 
I would not want 26" tires though...that size is dead for mtb now and tire 
choice is limited. It will only get worse in the future, unfortunately. I 
would also like the wheels to be tubeless because that is what I run when 
trail riding. I used to have numerous flats on my tubed tires until I went 
tubeless; now flats only happen maybe once a year. Plus, lower tire 
pressure without worrying about pinch flats. It's a total win.

The reason for the mixte frame is standover height. Sometimes you just got 
to plop out of the saddle onto the ground on the trails and it's always 
better when there isn't a bar to come in contact with. Plus, I don't, and 
have never owned a mixte. I need to remedy that. Canti posts because 
v-brakes and cantis are more powerful and easier to deal with large tires 
compared to sidepulls. 

I would want the fancy lugs, Rivendell downtube decal, and that awesome 
headbadge, just because they are really nice looking. color - first choice 
would be a really nice looking purple. Second choice would be some sort of 
butterscotch. 

The silver low double crank Riv has would be a great crank to use on an mtb 
focused machine. 

Bars?  Maybe choco moose bars or just the bullmoose bars. Either one would 
be fine. 

paul brake levers, brakes (touring cantis or even motolites). 
Shifting...man, index shifting would be helpful with the ridiculous rolling 
hills we have locally. If I can get it to work with indexed in the back and 
friction for the front I would call that a win. 



On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 9:39:53 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:

> All this talk of Rivs you'd buy if Grant/Riv made it got me to thinking of 
> what my custom-I'll-probably-never-order would be. This is isn't outside 
> the parameters of what they currently build - no Hunqadiscers or F Frames 
> or cargo bikes - but a custom you can order from Mark Nobilette via Riv 
> today. Here's mine:
>
> I'd like something similar to the original Rivendell Mountain, now with 
> 650B wheels. All the fancy lugs and Joe Bell paint, Candy Apple Red. It'd 
> be a bit of a Suntour celebration with XC Pro cranks, derailers and cantis, 
> but with modern Shimano hubs, 8-speed cassette and Silver 2 shifters. Some 
> kinda retro brake levers from the CNC era, preferably with some red 
> anodizing. Bars are a tossup between original Riv Bullmoose and Nitto 
> Jitensha. Boy, now that I've typed this up it sounds like a really nice 
> bike! Your turn. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Design your custom

[Patrick Moore]

I agree that 650B makes a great deal of sense with smaller frames.

I have been thinking of a bike for that (talked about *ad nauseam*) AM hub,
and dithering whether I want 26" wheels or 700C wheels. Perhaps it would be
an opportunity to try 650B for the first time.

Oh no! I've just made the decision more complicated!

Seriously: 650B is on the table. I'll bet that, if it is built, it will be
the first 650B AM hubbed bike in the history of the cosmos.

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 10:36 AM, EasyRider  wrote:

> Same here, 650b Roadeo with clearance for 38 with fenders. I'm 5'7" and
> have a couple 700c bikes, (RB-T and rosco road, both 53cm). Toe overlap
> doesn't bother me that much, but the frame would prob be easier to design,
> the triangle could fit bottles and a pump more easily, and it'd look more
> proportional, I think. It's a custom, looks are important :)
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[RBW] Re: Design your custom

[EasyRider]

Same here, 650b Roadeo with clearance for 38 with fenders. I'm 5'7" and have a 
couple 700c bikes, (RB-T and rosco road, both 53cm). Toe overlap doesn't bother 
me that much, but the frame would prob be easier to design, the triangle could 
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It's a custom, looks are important :)

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sakae 1-inch threadless "Herse-style" girder stem

[Joe Bunik]

Note: I believe this to be a 25.4 clamp, and intended for flat or
upright bars-- the width of the clamp may pose difficulty (at least
without modification) in lacing a dropbar through it.


On 2/7/18, Joe Bunik  wrote:
> Hi gang,
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/albums/72157691445599151
>
> Need to clear some more space and fund new projects, I have this jewel
> from the cave-- a NOS, 110mm Sakae 1-inch threadless stem, that is
> strongly reminiscent and undoubtedly influenced by the R. Herse
> design.
>
> These are more commonly (although still obscure) seen in 1-1/8" size
> and LOOONGER reaches, i.e. 150 or 130… so this has even more novelty
> to it. Rise (or fall) is ~10°. Finish is pristine satin anodization.
>
> Asking $40 shipped CONUS. Thanks!
> =- Joe Bunik
> Walnut Creek, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Wait til Biggus *Hunqus hears of this!

*edited for Riv content

P.S. I choose CAKE

P.S.S. Couldn't resist, Ok, I'll stop

On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 10:13:36 PM UTC-5, Philip Williamson wrote:

> Aren't you the guy who took umbrage at being told the term "ghetto 
> tubeless" could offend people? 
>
> I'll reign in the Monty Python "Spanish Inquisition" references in future, 
> out of deference to my Catholic friends. I reserve a future "CAKE OR DEATH" 
> reference, though. as an homage to my crossdresser friends.  
>
> Philip (atheist, thanks for asking)
> Santa Rosa, CA
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 2:48:36 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Do your own research, but the Spanish inquisition may not be what most 
>> people have been taught. At the risk of pointing out “fake history,” 
>> (jwhich as a Catholic I very much wish to point out) the Spanish 
>> Inquisition isn’t what most people think. So “No one expects the Spanish 
>> Inquisition” is a fine sentement, but a gross omission of facts in history 
>> (namely that the Catholic inquisitors treatment of suspected Protistants 
>> was less severe in quantity and quality than Protestant equivilants’ 
>> treatment of Catholics across the globe, including Spain. (Even the 
>> Wikipedia article aludes to this possibility). 
>>
>> With abandon, 
>> Patrick
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Design your custom

[Patrick Moore]

Asking both; so ride, looks, and tires available. Good reasons.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Design your custom

[Joe Bernard]

Oh, I think you were asking the Roadeo guy. Never mind!

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[RBW] FS: Sakae 1-inch threadless "Herse-style" girder stem

[Joe Bunik]

Hi gang,

https://www.flickr.com/photos/joe_bunik/albums/72157691445599151

Need to clear some more space and fund new projects, I have this jewel
from the cave-- a NOS, 110mm Sakae 1-inch threadless stem, that is
strongly reminiscent and undoubtedly influenced by the R. Herse
design.

These are more commonly (although still obscure) seen in 1-1/8" size
and LOOONGER reaches, i.e. 150 or 130… so this has even more novelty
to it. Rise (or fall) is ~10°. Finish is pristine satin anodization.

Asking $40 shipped CONUS. Thanks!
=- Joe Bunik
Walnut Creek, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

[Joe Bernard]

Have fun storming the castle! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

[Justin August]

Where does this leave Cinelli Pope handlebars?
What about the later copies with revisions? Are they Episcopal bars?
Are Jones bars more aptly named Mormon bars for their quintessentially American 
origin?
Are track drops on a Pistachio Buddhist bars? Or would that be chopped off 
drops into bullhorns - ridding yourself of all that is not necessary and 
embracing suffering?

So many deep questions.

-J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Design your custom

[Joe Bernard]

'cause I'm not designing from an existing bike, I'm specing my custom. The 
Rivendell Mountain used 26" wheels because that's what mtbs used when that bike 
was built; now the hot ticket is 27.5, which I like better for ride and looks. 
Also there's a boatload of tires available, which looks to be a waning 
situation for 26. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Design your custom

[Patrick Moore]

Curious: you're the second person to specify 650B as a custom change from
700C or 26". Why the preference?

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 9:05 AM, stevef  wrote:

> 650b Roadeo.  Easy as that!
>
> On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 10:39:53 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> All this talk of Rivs you'd buy if Grant/Riv made it got me to thinking
>> of what my custom-I'll-probably-never-order would be. This is isn't
>> outside the parameters of what they currently build - no Hunqadiscers or F
>> Frames or cargo bikes - but a custom you can order from Mark Nobilette via
>> Riv today. Here's mine:
>>
>> I'd like something similar to the original Rivendell Mountain, now with
>> 650B wheels. All the fancy lugs and Joe Bell paint, Candy Apple Red. It'd
>> be a bit of a Suntour celebration with XC Pro cranks, derailers and cantis,
>> but with modern Shimano hubs, 8-speed cassette and Silver 2 shifters. Some
>> kinda retro brake levers from the CNC era, preferably with some red
>> anodizing. Bars are a tossup between original Riv Bullmoose and Nitto
>> Jitensha. Boy, now that I've typed this up it sounds like a really nice
>> bike! Your turn.
>>
>> Joe Bernard
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Re: [RBW] Design your custom

[Patrick Moore]

Interesting topic; far better than the spanish inquisition.

Me: A Roadeo (with or without fender braze ons), with 114 OL spacing for
that AM hub ... Unless I went with a "Roadeo  with 114 OL ... *and* built
around 26" wheels.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 8:39 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> All this talk of Rivs you'd buy if Grant/Riv made it got me to thinking of
> what my custom-I'll-probably-never-order would be. This is isn't outside
> the parameters of what they currently build - no Hunqadiscers or F Frames
> or cargo bikes - but a custom you can order from Mark Nobilette via Riv
> today. Here's mine:
>
> I'd like something similar to the original Rivendell Mountain, now with
> 650B wheels. All the fancy lugs and Joe Bell paint, Candy Apple Red. It'd
> be a bit of a Suntour celebration with XC Pro cranks, derailers and cantis,
> but with modern Shimano hubs, 8-speed cassette and Silver 2 shifters. Some
> kinda retro brake levers from the CNC era, preferably with some red
> anodizing. Bars are a tossup between original Riv Bullmoose and Nitto
> Jitensha. Boy, now that I've typed this up it sounds like a really nice
> bike! Your turn.
>
> Joe Bernard
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Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

[Edwin W]

Close this thread now! Before all hell (haha) breaks out. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

[Patrick Moore]

+1

On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 9:38 AM, Paul Choi  wrote:

> Do not forget why we come to this board. Why do we need to tear down and
> attack members here?
>
> On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 11:21:40 AM UTC-8, John A. Bennett wrote:
>>
>> A Sam Hillborne was spotted in the same spot for weeks on end until
>> someone finally cut the u-lock and posted this on Craigslist.
>>
>> As of now, as far as I know, the Craigslist poster has not heard from the
>> owner.
>>
>> Anyone out there?
>>
>> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/found-rivendell-sa
>> m-hillborne/6474538877.html
>>
>> All I know,
>>
>> John, in Portland (who isn't really in on the whole thing, just posting
>> this here in the hopes it will raise owner)
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Re: [RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

[Patrick Moore]

Why not? You would reign in references to racist or sexist terms, would you
not? On what basis then do you include other offensive statements published
on list?

Now, the Monty Python reference doesn't bother me, even though I am a
practicing Orthodox Christian who was raised traditional Roman Catholic;
even "Every sperm is sacred" doesn't bother me. But what does bother me is
self-imposed value judges proclaiming onlist.

Either we let everything go, or we apply the same discretion to everyone.
If Catholic sensitivities are to be neglected, then god damn it, let
everyone's sensitivities be neglected.

That statement is just stupid; and stupidity, I guess, the one "value" I
will wholeheartedly mock.

To avoid the furor over this, I think we ought to drop the whole subject.

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 8:28 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:

> Rein in a Monty Python reference because of alleged Catholic
> sensitivities?  I should hope not.
>
> On 02/06/2018 10:13 PM, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> Aren't you the guy who took umbrage at being told the term "ghetto
> tubeless" could offend people?
>
> I'll reign in the Monty Python "Spanish Inquisition" references in future,
> out of deference to my Catholic friends. I reserve a future "CAKE OR DEATH"
> reference, though. as an homage to my crossdresser friends.
>
> Philip (atheist, thanks for asking)
> Santa Rosa, CA
>
>
> On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 2:48:36 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Do your own research, but the Spanish inquisition may not be what most
>> people have been taught. At the risk of pointing out “fake history,”
>> (jwhich as a Catholic I very much wish to point out) the Spanish
>> Inquisition isn’t what most people think. So “No one expects the Spanish
>> Inquisition” is a fine sentement, but a gross omission of facts in history
>> (namely that the Catholic inquisitors treatment of suspected Protistants
>> was less severe in quantity and quality than Protestant equivilants’
>> treatment of Catholics across the globe, including Spain. (Even the
>> Wikipedia article aludes to this possibility).
>>
>
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[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

[Paul Choi]

Do not forget why we come to this board. Why do we need to tear down and 
attack members here?
 
On Wednesday, January 31, 2018 at 11:21:40 AM UTC-8, John A. Bennett wrote:
>
> A Sam Hillborne was spotted in the same spot for weeks on end until 
> someone finally cut the u-lock and posted this on Craigslist.
>
> As of now, as far as I know, the Craigslist poster has not heard from the 
> owner. 
>
> Anyone out there?
>
>
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/found-rivendell-sam-hillborne/6474538877.html
>
> All I know, 
>
> John, in Portland (who isn't really in on the whole thing, just posting 
> this here in the hopes it will raise owner) 
>

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[RBW] Re: Houseless Sam Hillborne in Portland, Oregon

[Brian Campbell]

Churches (Catholic/Protestant and the rest) specialize in revisionist 
history. They have all been selling it for the 2000 years or so..

On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 5:48:36 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Do your own research, but the Spanish inquisition may not be what most 
> people have been taught. At the risk of pointing out “fake history,” 
> (jwhich as a Catholic I very much wish to point out) the Spanish 
> Inquisition isn’t what most people think. So “No one expects the Spanish 
> Inquisition” is a fine sentement, but a gross omission of facts in history 
> (namely that the Catholic inquisitors treatment of suspected Protistants 
> was less severe in quantity and quality than Protestant equivilants’ 
> treatment of Catholics across the globe, including Spain. (Even the 
> Wikipedia article aludes to this possibility). 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Design your custom

[stevef]

650b Roadeo.  Easy as that!

On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 10:39:53 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> All this talk of Rivs you'd buy if Grant/Riv made it got me to thinking of 
> what my custom-I'll-probably-never-order would be. This is isn't outside 
> the parameters of what they currently build - no Hunqadiscers or F Frames 
> or cargo bikes - but a custom you can order from Mark Nobilette via Riv 
> today. Here's mine:
>
> I'd like something similar to the original Rivendell Mountain, now with 
> 650B wheels. All the fancy lugs and Joe Bell paint, Candy Apple Red. It'd 
> be a bit of a Suntour celebration with XC Pro cranks, derailers and cantis, 
> but with modern Shimano hubs, 8-speed cassette and Silver 2 shifters. Some 
> kinda retro brake levers from the CNC era, preferably with some red 
> anodizing. Bars are a tossup between original Riv Bullmoose and Nitto 
> Jitensha. Boy, now that I've typed this up it sounds like a really nice 
> bike! Your turn. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Protovelo

[Ryan Merrill]

Man, if this fit me I would be all over it, sadly it is at least a size too 
large for me. 

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 9:19:59 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Looks like a proto-Legolas. Buy yourself a Riv cyclocrosser and go win a 
> mountain bike race like Mark @ Riv!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Protovelo

[stoker]

Nice. Wish that was my size. On a side note, what brand is the seat pack in the 
pic? Thanks...

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Protovelo

[Minh]

Hi Nick, a few questions i'm sure everyone would like to know

   - effective TT
   - how big a tire can you run w/ and w/o fenders?


On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 12:26:33 AM UTC-5, Nick Davis wrote:
>
> Hi all, 
>
> I'm thinking about selling my 55cm Rivendell Protovelo. As the name 
> indicates, it was a prototype bike made by Rivendell. As far as I know, 
> it's one of a kind, and it's a beautiful bike with fender mounts, pump peg 
> and of course the beautiful lugs that Riv is known for. I actually spoke 
> with Grant personally and he confirmed the bike was built by Rivendell in 
> the U.S. of A.
>
> Currently I have it built up as follows:
>
> 105 - 10 speed
> Paul Mini Moto brakes
> Thomson stem (90mm) and seat post
> Mavic Open Pros laced to Ultegra hubs
> Brooks B17 (black) not to C17 pictured
> Chris King 1'' headset
> 32mm Gatorskins
>
> I'm thinking $1,500 OBO. It's a beautiful bike, and I've got plenty more 
> photos if you're interested.
>
> Thanks for looking!
>
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Who wants a Hunqadiscer?

['Eamon Nordquist' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The Romanceur is a cool bike, and certainly has some Rivendell inspiration, but 
its front end geometry is quite different from the Atlantis. They are both 
meant for touring, and can take fat tires, but the Romanceur has much lower 
trail than the Atlantis. It is intended to favor front loading. Awesome if 
that’s what you want, but really only visually similar to a Rivendell.

Eamon
Seattle, WA
p.s. no desire from me for a disc braked Riv (or any other bike except a 
Jones), although I understand people wanting one AND Grant not wanting to make 
one.

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam track end (dropout) maintenance?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Thanks Laing, Yes, I failed to consider the appropriate Imperial/English 
diameter and thread pitch.  Sorry, did not intend to suggest they are 
actually compatible with metric 10mm axle nuts.  But it's the 8mm flats I 
initially expected the dropout slots to be spec'd for and was very 
surprised to find otherwise.  Same as my surprise to find the fork spec'd 
for 9mm QR instead of narrower 5/16" Raleigh nutted front axles.

Brian

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 9:49:43 AM UTC-5, lconley wrote:

> I believe that Sturmey Archer rear hub axles were 13/32 back then and 
> still are today. S-A kindly prints the diameter on the ends of the closed 
> end nuts. My Guv'nor axle nuts say 13/32 on the rear and 9mm on the front, 
> or they did before I replaced them with wingnuts. 13/32 wingnuts for 3 
> speed pull chain shifters are not the most common things in the world. 10mm 
> does not fit.
>
> Laing
> Cocoa FL
>
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 9:37:31 AM UTC-5, Coal Bee Rye Anne 
> wrote:
>
>> I should have also originally stated "10mm threaded axle with 8mm flats"  
>> Sorry for any confusion
>>
>

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[RBW] FS: Rivendell Protovelo

[Joe Bernard]

Looks like a proto-Legolas. Buy yourself a Riv cyclocrosser and go win a 
mountain bike race like Mark @ Riv!

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[RBW] Re: Design your custom

[A CT Cyclist]

I look at the Cheviot a lot but the tire width limitations always keep me 
from pulling the trigger. So the mountain mixtie in 50 - 52 cm with canti 
posts has a lot of appeal .

On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 10:39:53 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> All this talk of Rivs you'd buy if Grant/Riv made it got me to thinking of 
> what my custom-I'll-probably-never-order would be. This is isn't outside 
> the parameters of what they currently build - no Hunqadiscers or F Frames 
> or cargo bikes - but a custom you can order from Mark Nobilette via Riv 
> today. Here's mine:
>
> I'd like something similar to the original Rivendell Mountain, now with 
> 650B wheels. All the fancy lugs and Joe Bell paint, Candy Apple Red. It'd 
> be a bit of a Suntour celebration with XC Pro cranks, derailers and cantis, 
> but with modern Shimano hubs, 8-speed cassette and Silver 2 shifters. Some 
> kinda retro brake levers from the CNC era, preferably with some red 
> anodizing. Bars are a tossup between original Riv Bullmoose and Nitto 
> Jitensha. Boy, now that I've typed this up it sounds like a really nice 
> bike! Your turn. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Cowboy Trail NE, Goatheads, tire choice

[A CT Cyclist]

Love this description by Patrick Moore.

> "The ride was sh*t. It was like riding through cold molasses 12" deep in a 
> 53 X 12 against a 40 mph headwind while sick with a 105* fever and the 
> brakes locked and your saddle way too low."

Too funny.


On Saturday, February 3, 2018 at 9:50:39 PM UTC-5, WETH wrote:
>
> My son and I plan on riding several of the country's (USA) railtrails this 
> summer, including the Cowboy Trail in Nebraska.  
> http://www.bikecowboytrail.com/default.aspx
>
> Previous riders of this trail have reported in online journals that there 
> are thorns and "goatheads" in several sections that caused multiple flats 
> or made folks happy they used tubeless tires.  I'm an Easterner who has no 
> goathead experience.  I also do not run tubeless tires and do not own any 
> tubeless compatible rims.  I also would rather not mess with sealant in my 
> tubes.  
>
> What, if any, 700x35-40 tires have proved goathead resistant with tubes 
> and no sealant in the tubes? Schwalbe  Marathon Mondials?  
>
> Has anyone ridden the entirety of the Cowboy Trail who can substantiate 
> the severity of  goatheads along the way? Recommend tires? 
>
> The Riv bikes we will be riding have Little Big Bens. Should I stick with 
> those, bring a gross of tubes, and try to improve my flat fixing time?
>
> Thanks,
> Erl
> Kensington, MD
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Protovelo

[Davey Two Shoes]

If I wasnt waiting on my waterford I'd bite.

>
>
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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam track end (dropout) maintenance?

[lconley]

I believe that Sturmey Archer rear hub axles were 13/32 back then and still 
are today. S-A kindly prints the diameter on the ends of the closed end 
nuts. My Guv'nor axle nuts say 13/32 on the rear and 9mm on the front, or 
they did before I replaced them with wingnuts. 13/32 wingnuts for 3 speed 
pull chain shifters are not the most common things in the world. 10mm does 
not fit.

Laing
Cocoa FL

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 9:37:31 AM UTC-5, Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> I should have also originally stated "10mm threaded axle with 8mm flats"  
> Sorry for any confusion
>

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[RBW] Re: What type of bike would make you buy another riv

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

At one point I debated trying a Crust Clydesdale cargo fork on the front of 
my Clem H.  Crust had released a 1" threadless version with long enough 
steerer for 700c Clems and some of my other big 1" frames.  My wallet said 
otherwise and I think they've since sold out but fork length and HTA 
indicate it should work.

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville, NJ

On Wednesday, February 7, 2018 at 9:29:55 AM UTC-5, Jonathan D. wrote:

> I second the cargo bike and I think it would be a nice follow up to the 
> tandem and would require long chain stays. Really it could be a 
> modification of the Clem L with a built in rack for carrying two kids. 
>  Would love a disc Sam as well. 

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam track end (dropout) maintenance?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I should have also originally stated "10mm threaded axle with 8mm flats"  
Sorry for any confusion

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[RBW] Re: Quickbeam track end (dropout) maintenance?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Found it, at least I now know I wasn't making things up but still doesn't 
explain my odd duck of a Raleigh frame...

as quoted from St. Sheldon:

"Most Nottingham Raleigh rear dropouts have narrow (8 mm) slots intended 
for the flat-sided axles common on Sturmey-Archer and other older British 
hubs. This still works with modern Sturmey-Archer and SRAM internal-gear 
hubs which have flatted axles. Most other modern rear hubs are 10 mm, some 
are even 10.5 mm, so you will need to file the rear as well. Shimano 
internal-gear hub axles are flatted, but the *anti-rotation washers* 
 place the 
flats at an angle to the dropout slots. We recommend doing all of the 
filing on the bottom of the slot. This eliminates the risk of making one 
side higher than the other.

Dropout spacing on bikes made for 3-speed applications is typically 114 mm 
(4 1/2 inches). 5-speed derailer systems usually used 120 mm. Many upgrades 
will call for a wider dropout spacing."
https://www.sheldonbrown.com/raleigh26.html

My previously mentioned frame is spaced 114 but already has 10mm slots (and 
appears to be original with no sign of prior tampering or repainting)
Fork is narrower than modern 100mm but already spec'd for 9mm QR hubs.
Axle to crown is much greater than our 26x1-3/8 wheeled Sports models.

Appears to be late 70's and LBS suspects it may have been originally spec'd 
as a 27" (630mm bsd) wheeled model based on size/clearances.
700x38 clears the fork easily. 35 or 38 might be max in the rear as 
chainstays are the tight spot but some dimpling may help get me up to 42mm 
front/rear.

Still have the bottom bracket threading to deal with but may just stick 
with a cottered crank for now since I have a spare BB/crank to use but 
ideally would modernize it.

Sorry for the diversion but this might just turn into my Poor Man's QB 
instead of three speed Resurrectio.

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville, NJ



On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 4:34:25 PM UTC-5, Philip Williamson wrote:

> That's a cool sounding bike. I didn't realize that there were 8mm flatted 
> axles. My wife had a couple of three-speeds, and I built wheels for her, 
> but I never tried to put a non-three-speed wheel into those frames. Just 
> rebuilt with aluminum rims, and swapped wheelsets around between her Steyr 
> and a Sprite.  
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
>
> On Tuesday, February 6, 2018 at 12:36:01 PM UTC-8, Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>>
>> Not a QB/S1 but I also recently filed the semi-horizontals of an old 
>> Raleigh that suffered same kind of roughness.  I've probably mentioned this 
>> one previously in another thread but it's a larger than normal 3 speed/IGH 
>> Raleigh (25" size) labeled only as "Deluxe" but with Superbe details 
>> (locking fork/pump pegs) different lugs, darker shade of green than any 
>> others I've seen, and a Carlton/Worksop full wrap seatstay junction.  Looks 
>> to be a European model imported to the US but I initially thought the rear 
>> dropouts were undersized to take SA flatted 8mm axles only and hesitated to 
>> force anything when a spare 120x10 track wheel didn't fit initially.  After 
>> bringing to a LBS to double check some measurements and such for parts 
>> compatibility they confirmed the rear dropouts were sized for 10mm and were 
>> able to fit a 700c QR road wheel just with more force than I previously 
>> applied to get past that initial rough/uneven spot. I later took a file 
>> to clean-em up and remove paint/rust and now it's like butter.  The 
>> roughest was near the front/entry point but once the axle got past there 
>> it moved with ease through the rest of the range and paint was in tact 
>> in most spots until I filed it down a hair.  I should have measured the 
>> dropouts with calipers but it slipped my mind after the wheel didn't fit 
>> and just assumed it was like all other 3 speed rears.
>>
>> Still up in the air with this one but it clears an actual 700x38 with 
>> R559s and thinking it'll make a nice QB substitute with ss or dingle 
>> fixed/free setup with more clearance than my other 2 single speedable 
>> frames.
>>
>> On Monday, February 5, 2018 at 8:43:49 PM UTC-5, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone taken a file to clean up their Quickbeam or Simpleone track 
>>> ends? I did, and it was a vast improvement after 14 years of hard use. 
>>>
>>> I just got a Paul high flange wheelset and a Dura Ace crankset, and set 
>>> my green Quickbeam up as a two-speed fixed gear again. The Paul hubs attach 
>>> with bolts and fancy washers. The washers are sleeved to go inside the 
>>> dropout, and I had the dickens of a time getting them to move smoothly down 
>>> the length of the track end. Care-free gear changes wheel installation rely 
>>> on easy axle movement. 
>>>
>>> I inspected how the washers slide down the track without the wheel, and 
>>> I found that they simply didn't. They'd go a bit, and catch, binding badly 
>>> in a couple 

[RBW] Re: What type of bike would make you buy another riv

[Jonathan D.]

I second the cargo bike and I think it would be a nice follow up to the tandem 
and would require long chain stays. Really it could be a modification of the 
Clem L with a built in rack for carrying two kids.  Would love a disc Sam as 
well. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Protovelo

[Belopsky]

Nice!

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Protovelo

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

$1,500 for a complete MUSA-frame Riv? Someone is going to be in heaven.

Alex Wirth
Rochester, NY

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Quill Stem 26.0, 80MM

[Patrick Moore]

Cost?

Patrick Moore
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> On Feb 6, 2018, at 10:49 PM, Lum Gim Fong  wrote:
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> I have an 8cm/26.0 nitto pearl stem for sale
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