[RBW] FS: RIvendell Bleriot 55cm

[moshmosh]

For sale: Rivendell Bleriot 55cm. Frame has some paint chips, but no dings 
or dents. Saddle height is 71cm in the pictures. Frame has fender and rack 
mounts. Fork blades have rear facing eyelets. Brakes have been installed 
with Sheldon Nuts for easy fender installation.

Wheels and tires have less than 50 mi. Wheels were built by Larry at 
Perfect Wheels in Seattle. Hubs are NOS XT (32 hole), rims are Velocity 
Synergy. Fresh cables, housing, and bar tape. Ready to ride. 

Asking $1350.00/shipped ($1250.00 w/out Brooks Saddle)

Build info:
Shimano Ultegra NOS headset
Nitto Noodle handlebar 44cm
Nitto Technomic stem 90mm
Nitto seat post (S83)
Shimano brake levers
Rivendell Silver caliper brakes
Rivendell Silver bar end shifters
Shimano 8 speed cassette (11-34)
Sugino XD triple crank (170mm, 46-36,24)
Shimano XT rear der
Campy triple front der
Wheels: NOS XT hubs, Velocity Synergy 650B rims
Soma Xpress 650B tires, 38 (Pasela tread)
Brooks B17 Special

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[RBW] Rim Life

[Eric K]

1)  Too many variables. You’re last paragraph illustrates this. 
2)  I’ve been using Kool Stop dura and v-type pads and don’t recall having a 
chunk of hard debris seat in a groove. The shape of the grooves and the angled 
“plow” tip would seem to lessen the chance. I can understand the concern on 
crushed rock paths, which I don’t have here, though. Perhaps switch to solid 
blocks to eliminate the issue. 

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[RBW] Informal poll: Sam Hillborne sizing, 6' tall about an 85PBH?

[John W]

Hello folks,

I'm reaching out for some input regarding current Sam Hillbornes.

I'm 6' tall with an 85PBH (say, 86.25 PBH with shoes.) Saddle height ~75cm, 
a Brooks B17 which runs about 6cm tall.

Riv recommends a size 55 frame, but I know I could ride a 58. I'll ride on 
pavement and trails. Less so, gnarly track. And I'll set up drop bars about 
1cm lower than my saddle. 

My concerns are:

— will I have enough exposed stem above the headset and cable hanger in 
front?
— will the bike handle oddly with just ~2cm of exposed stem?
— am I setting myself up for the inability to use taller upright bars in 
the future?

I cribbed this photo from a fellow with a shorter saddle height than me:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/37347002@N05/4354827488/in/pool-hillborne/

The 55 is the safe bet, while the 58 looks doable. 

I'm cautious of getting a bike that's too small for me. Generally speaking, 
I'm a 56cm on Surly road frames and I don't feel stretched out on them.

What say you? 55 or 58?

Separately, looking at the geo charts on Riv's site, the Stack and Reach 
measurements on the Sam Hillbornes look off to me, but perhaps I'm not 
correctly parsing the effect of the 71.5 STA.

Apologies for the naval gazing email. Any input would be appreciated.

John in NYC

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones track end

[iamkeith]

That's speaking your peace and countin' to three for certain!

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[RBW] Re: last chance for 53cm Frank Jones

[Kainalu V.]

It had a 55.3.
Still does I suppose, but it sold. To you?
-Kai 
BK NY 

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[RBW] Re: last chance for 53cm Frank Jones

[Lum Gim Fong]

Wierd the grantpost gives 2 diff sizes 4 tt in 53

Both too long 4 moi so no go 4 me turns out

Owned 4 rivs so i know

Gorgeous bike

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[RBW] Re: last chance for 53cm Frank Jones

[Lum Gim Fong]

Does it have that 54.4tt or 56tt?

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[RBW] Re: OT: Lennard Zinn documents heart problem

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

One of my favorite essayists, John Michael Greer, just wrote a piece about 
this topic. Although ultimately he uses it as an example of the problematic 
ways we tend to frame things these days, it is well worth a read.

https://www.ecosophia.net/dream-perfect-diet/

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 11:41:54 AM UTC-5, Grant @ Rivendell 
wrote:
>
> When society, opinion, fads, latest/greatest, and moralistic issues weigh 
> in on diets, there aren't any clear winners. The filter, it seems like, 
> ought to be your own digestive system ("chapters" no. 84, 85 in EBDJ). 
> People and sometimes their pets are the only animals that don't. 
>
> On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 11:07:54 AM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
>>
>> While many in this group are not into training, racing or other extreme 
>> forms of cycling, this article is good information and may serve as a 
>> cautionary tale for someone you know:
>>
>>
>> http://www.velonews.com/2018/02/bikes-and-tech/technical-faq/technical-faq-no-burning-haywire-heart_456565
>>
>> This goes back to "too much exercise may not be good for you".  Lennard 
>> does an excellent job of explaining a complex subject and relating his own 
>> experiences.  I've been down the path of drugs, cardioversion, ablations, 
>> pacemaker, different drugs, etc.  While I've never been a trained athlete, 
>> nor competed in any serious way, it's entirely possible that years of the 
>> "more is better" syndrome was contributory.  
>>
>> Especially relevant is how he has had to adjust his riding activities to 
>> deal with his current reality.  It's a bit long & somewhat technical, but 
>> definitely worth the time and attention.
>>
>> Doug Peterson
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones track end

[Philip Williamson]

Amen to making a new thing nicer than the old thing. Amen to calling a dropout 
a dropout. I mean... I can drop the wheel out of the Quickbeam by lifting the 
front end. 

I do think the new Frank Jones is bonified. “He’s a suitor!” 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] I'm the best at bad photos - Frank Jones Jr

[Belopsky]

It has started. Need to sort out cranks and stem, bars en route..
https://photos.app.goo.gl/WQl3246iJBqZJ8Ev1

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[RBW] Re: It’s all about the power: Handlebar height/body position

[Steve Butcher]

Comfort can be different things to different people.  I suppose it depends 
on what part of you is not comfortable and how to make that part 
comfortable.  For some it's their back, others their neck, shoulders, 
hands, knees, or any combination of these.  As we age, that changes, as 
well.  

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 11:04:50 AM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Jan’s exploration of cycling myth #5, higher handlebars are more 
> comfortable, sure matches my experience single speeding (free or fixed), 
> where changing positions relates to only one thing because there is only 
> one gear: power output. On steep climbs, I tuck until I stand. Otherwise, 
> upright is fine.
>
> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2018/02/12/myth-5-an-upright-position-is-more-comfortable/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>

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[RBW] FS Wool & Winter-weather Gear for the Big N' Tall- Patagonia, Pendleton, Chrome, Carhartt, etc

[ant ritchey]

Thinning the wintry wardrobe. Garments for the taller folks. I'm 6' 5", 190 
lbs, 96 pbh, 33" waist. All of these worn/used by me at least for a little. 
Most things fit right on the money; things too big or too small noted in 
item description. That's me in the photos so you can hopefully see how 
things fit. Half of these items I really dig/think are special, nifty and 
neat and in that way opt against wearing them. Babied, they sit in my 
closet and they don't deserve that! 

Pics via Google Drive 

 Never 
tried this method of sharing pics with the bunches before so lemme know if 
it's not working properly, please!

*Patagonia base layers *
-Capilene pullover
Grey, longsleeve, large. Midweight Polartec. Very good condition. $25
-Nano Puff pull over
Like this one 

 Men's 
medium. Primaloft faux down. Zippered breast pocket becomes its own stuff 
sack. My torso is just a touch too long for this item, unfortunately. Worn 
only a few times, very good condition $60
-Full side zip pants
Men's large. Not the quilted Nano puff-style but again Primaloft. Great for 
sleeping in cold temps or winter touring/camping. Slightly too big for me; 
had they been mediums I'd be keeping these (I love Primaloft!). Good 
condition. No pics of these yet. $50
-Jacket/Pants/Capilene combo - $110

*Merino cycling shorts*
Sergal brand Italian merino, true chamois-style. Vintage and super cool. 
Single-button back pocket.Very good shape. I wore these only a few times. 
Just a little too small on me. $20

*Wool button ups*
-Pendletons. A grey and a red, both size Medium. MUSA virgin wool. Cool 
elbow patch-style, single breast pocket, lined neck/shoulder area. Very 
good condition. $25 each
-Bengal Lancer, medium. Double breast pocket. A few tiny moth holes near 
collar (see pic) but in great shape & super handsome. $15
-Both Pendletons & the Bengal button up - $50
-Sears vintage Wool-blend button up. Double-breast pocket. Maybe the best 
looking of the bunch, but it needs some work. Lining is torn where stitched 
into the fabric & the stitching around the button holes has started to come 
undone over the years. Otherwise it's the handsomest of the bunch and a 
solid heavy-duty-ish outer layer. $30 as-is

*Jerseys*
Pearl Izumi Select. Men's small. Just a little too tight. Zip up. Usual 
three pockets in back. Some bike grease on one cuff, tiny mystery splotch 
on the back, as pictured. $15
Serac large. A baby-blue vintage beauty. Zippered neck, side & back 
pockets. Lined/padded collar. Grommet vent holes in the pits. Minor issues 
with stitching on the chest. $25  


*Riv railroad rip-off seersucker*
A Nordstrom Classic, apparently, 100% combed cotton seersucker. 15 1/2-36 
says the tag. I bought this in response & resemblance to RBW's railroad 
shirt, although it's undeniably more boat than train. Great summer riding 
sun shirt, very good condition. $15

*Carhartt Jacket*
Heavy duty canvas zip up with hood in the seldom-seen Carhartt color of 
blue!. Size "Large Tall" for the longer trunk-ed body. In great shape with 
a few minor issues- some small snags on the inside of each sleeve from 
carrying firewood & small conveniently-also-blue splotching on front right 
pocket from a dubiously cheap pen. $40 


*Chrome merino hoodie*
*This one 
 
*100% 
Merino. Size small. A really well-made garment that I wish I'd have bought 
in large. Worn only a few times, very good condition. $50

Prices are net to me after shipping/fees. Open to offers if you want a 
bunch of stuff. Last year when I posted winter clothing FS the first chap 
bought the lot and got what I'd say was a smokin' deal...so lemme know if 
you're that way inclined. Cross-posted to RBWOG & iBOB. PM or text for more 
images, questions, etc.

Ant Ritchey / Portland Oregon / 724 757 9358

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[RBW] Re: OT: Lennard Zinn documents heart problem

[Evan E.]

This doctor at the University of California, San Francisco, says that "when 
it comes to harmful health effects, sugar is worse than fat." I hope he'll 
expand his argument to embrace all simple carbohydrates, and I hope more 
cardiologists -- and more people in general -- listen to him:

https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2009/06/8187/obesity-and-metabolic-syndrome-driven-fructose-sugar-diet


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Re: [RBW] Re: It’s all about the power: Handlebar height/body position

[Edwin W]

In the "Garth Philosophy" category of posts, this one rates quite high. 
Readable, relevant, and made me chuckle.

Edwin

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 10:30:37 AM UTC-6, Garth wrote:
>
> Yes, I'd rather agree with this. 
>
> If you are satisfied with your riding experience and wonder how and why, 
> you'll become aware of ideas that agree with and rationalize-explain the 
> experience.  
>
> If you are not satisfied and wonder why and how, you'll become aware of 
> ideas that agree with and rationalize-explain the experience. 
>
> And if you don't care to question-prove-disprove how and why of the ride 
> and like to just ride for the sake of the ride , you'll just be riding 
> along :) 
>
> If you agree with this there will be agreement, if not there will not . 
>
> ( ( (   laughing with myself) ) )  
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 10:47:41 AM UTC-5, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>>
>> I think you either got it or you don’t.  Real world is not the same as 
>> book theory. Just look at all the Tour de France riders bobbing around all 
>> over their bikes and being sloppy yet they are some of the fastest in the 
>> world. Or Freddy Hoffman who averages 18mph with upright bars and 100lbs. 
>> of kit.
>
>

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[RBW] ISO: leather bar tape scraps

[Birdman]

Hey bunch,

Does anyone have scraps of unused honey leather bar tape that they’d be willing 
to part with?  I need two lengths that are long enough to fit around a downtube 
and a top tube. 

Thanks,

Isaac

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[RBW] Re: last chance for 53cm Frank Jones

[Dave Small]

Then this appears to be your lucky day.  

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 2:06:59 AM UTC-5, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> I’d like one. 53 is my size i think

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[RBW] Re: 57 cm Blue Frank Jones Sr

[Dave Small]

Interesting; not sure I'd have noticed that.  

On a concurrent Frank Jones thread, Grant wrote that internally they call 
the Jones dropout the "alligator dropout."  I didn't understand that when I 
read it, but I read it 3 minutes ago and then saw this picture and it was 
the first thing I noticed.  I get it now.  

On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 8:16:49 AM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>
> I love details. Note the RBW logo on the inside of the dropout:
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: OT: Lennard Zinn documents heart problem

[DaveS]

Poster child for this same issue and response. Cut carbs and sugar to lose 
weight last year, glucose BP cholesterol dropped precipitously within a month 
and lost 140 pounds in a year from my year of drying out. I have slowly tried 
to add some carbs back into my diet but my digestive system revolts w acid 
reflux bloating and related. Can’t. Moment on Leonard nor would I remotely be 
qualified to but I know how my system responds now.

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones track end

[Grant @ Rivendell]

The QB and SimpleOne dropouts were water-jet cut in Woodinville, Washington 
according to a drawing we sent them, and they worked well. They have a "no 
funny business" look about them that, without being at all ugly, didn't 
seem a good match with the rest of the stuff on the new FRANK...so BLUE LUG 
and us split the cost of the new mold, and we came up with the new one. The 
function and joint geometry determine the overall shape, the length of the 
slot is within a mm or two of the oldie--and ought to absorb an 8T 
difference, like QB did. Then we went at it to make it look good. It was a 
collaborative effort btw me, a guy named Dan, Roman, and Will (who 
ultimately made the final aesthetic tweak-call). Internally, we call it the 
"alligator dropout." 
On "dropout": Sheldon was steadfast in his not liking track "fork ends" to 
be called dropouts, because the horizontal slot doesn't allow an unchanged 
wheel to, literally, drop OUT of the thing. I do my own honoring of Sheldon 
with his favored (and now mine) "derailer," but to me, "track ends" is in 
the same category as "tyre," "seat pin," "rear mech." Somebody recently 
pointed out to me that my favored "catalogue," with a perfect run for more 
than 28 years, is in the same boat, so -- nothing against the English, but 
I'm back to "catalog."  No biggie, either.

On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 9:27:56 AM UTC-8, jandrews_nyc wrote:
>
> Just curious why the original QB/SO track end was redesigned...
> Does anyone know how the new one changes the flexibility of 
> gearing...isn't it still an 8 tooth difference while maintaining brake pad 
> position?
> Maybe it's so they could extend the chain stays?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: OT: Lennard Zinn documents heart problem

[Justin August]

Ironic tangent with this:
I digest bread prettty well. No serious issues. UNTIL I take probiotics. If I 
am taking probiotics then bread causes me the type of distress that you 
wouldn’t wish upon your greatest enemy. Confusing for sure.

-J

On Feb 15, 2018, 8:41 AM -0800, Grant @ Rivendell , wrote:
> When society, opinion, fads, latest/greatest, and moralistic issues weigh in 
> on diets, there aren't any clear winners. The filter, it seems like, ought to 
> be your own digestive system ("chapters" no. 84, 85 in EBDJ). People and 
> sometimes their pets are the only animals that don't.
>
> On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 11:07:54 AM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
> > While many in this group are not into training, racing or other extreme 
> > forms of cycling, this article is good information and may serve as a 
> > cautionary tale for someone you know:
> >
> > http://www.velonews.com/2018/02/bikes-and-tech/technical-faq/technical-faq-no-burning-haywire-heart_456565
> >
> > This goes back to "too much exercise may not be good for you".  Lennard 
> > does an excellent job of explaining a complex subject and relating his own 
> > experiences.  I've been down the path of drugs, cardioversion, ablations, 
> > pacemaker, different drugs, etc.  While I've never been a trained athlete, 
> > nor competed in any serious way, it's entirely possible that years of the 
> > "more is better" syndrome was contributory.
> >
> > Especially relevant is how he has had to adjust his riding activities to 
> > deal with his current reality.  It's a bit long & somewhat technical, but 
> > definitely worth the time and attention.
> >
> > Doug Peterson
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[RBW] Re: OT: Lennard Zinn documents heart problem

[Grant @ Rivendell]

When society, opinion, fads, latest/greatest, and moralistic issues weigh 
in on diets, there aren't any clear winners. The filter, it seems like, 
ought to be your own digestive system ("chapters" no. 84, 85 in EBDJ). 
People and sometimes their pets are the only animals that don't. 

On Wednesday, February 14, 2018 at 11:07:54 AM UTC-8, dougP wrote:
>
> While many in this group are not into training, racing or other extreme 
> forms of cycling, this article is good information and may serve as a 
> cautionary tale for someone you know:
>
>
> http://www.velonews.com/2018/02/bikes-and-tech/technical-faq/technical-faq-no-burning-haywire-heart_456565
>
> This goes back to "too much exercise may not be good for you".  Lennard 
> does an excellent job of explaining a complex subject and relating his own 
> experiences.  I've been down the path of drugs, cardioversion, ablations, 
> pacemaker, different drugs, etc.  While I've never been a trained athlete, 
> nor competed in any serious way, it's entirely possible that years of the 
> "more is better" syndrome was contributory.  
>
> Especially relevant is how he has had to adjust his riding activities to 
> deal with his current reality.  It's a bit long & somewhat technical, but 
> definitely worth the time and attention.
>
> Doug Peterson
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Re: [RBW] Re: It’s all about the power: Handlebar height/body position

[Garth]

Yes, I'd rather agree with this. 

If you are satisfied with your riding experience and wonder how and why, 
you'll become aware of ideas that agree with and rationalize-explain the 
experience.  

If you are not satisfied and wonder why and how, you'll become aware of 
ideas that agree with and rationalize-explain the experience. 

And if you don't care to question-prove-disprove how and why of the ride 
and like to just ride for the sake of the ride , you'll just be riding 
along :) 

If you agree with this there will be agreement, if not there will not . 

( ( (   laughing with myself) ) )  



On Thursday, February 15, 2018 at 10:47:41 AM UTC-5, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> I think you either got it or you don’t.  Real world is not the same as 
> book theory. Just look at all the Tour de France riders bobbing around all 
> over their bikes and being sloppy yet they are some of the fastest in the 
> world. Or Freddy Hoffman who averages 18mph with upright bars and 100lbs. 
> of kit.

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[RBW] Re: Experiences with Clem L or H

[Joe Bernard]

Masmojo: That's probably a good point to make about the H model, too. My first 
Clem was a small H , and it was way-more-much stiffer than the 52 L. I don't 
consider the bit of flex in the L to be a deal breaker, but it's worth noting 
the difference the H toptube makes in the ride. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: It’s all about the power: Handlebar height/body position

[Lum Gim Fong]

I think you either got it or you don’t.  Real world is not the same as book 
theory. Just look at all the Tour de France riders bobbing around all over 
their bikes and being sloppy yet they are some of the fastest in the world. Or 
Freddy Hoffman who averages 18mph with upright bars and 100lbs. of kit.

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Re: [RBW] OT: Lennard Zinn documents heart problem

[Justin, Oakland]

Peter-
You’ve discovered by anecdote what we should have discovered by data long ago. 
I’m still stuck on some carbs and sugars but trying every day to eat fewer. 

-Justin

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[RBW] Re: Experiences with Clem L or H

[masmojo]

One additional sort of comment; in addition to my medium I also have a small 
that I bought for the family units. While I like the feel of the larger bike, 
the small one is not nearly as flexy and there are some aspects of it 
(performance wise) I like better. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: It’s all about the power: Handlebar height/body position

[Patrick Moore]

Interesting; compare with:

https://youtu.be/i-M4YCNTO7I?t=454

Merckx was not an elegant pedaler; which didn't appear to slow him down.

Both share the low back position, as they would have to to ride hard.

But the take away from this discussion and Jan's article is not so much
riding hard as riding powerfully an efficiently; I no longer ride very
hard, yet I always feel awkward without a sufficient bend between hips and
torso; as if my pedaling force will push my body off the saddle instead of
putting force to the pedals. I think even recreational cyclists can benefit
from a sufficient back angle.

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 7:11 AM, Max S  wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THzi7sKr8Rc
>
> On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 12:04:50 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Jan’s exploration of cycling myth #5, higher handlebars are more
>> comfortable, sure matches my experience single speeding (free or fixed),
>> where changing positions relates to only one thing because there is only
>> one gear: power output. On steep climbs, I tuck until I stand. Otherwise,
>> upright is fine.
>> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2018/02/12/myth-5-an-upright-
>> position-is-more-comfortable/
>>
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Re: [RBW] OT: Lennard Zinn documents heart problem

[Peter White]

One interesting effect of this diet change occurred in the winter
2012/2013. Linda and I spent a weekend XC skiing up in Jackson, NH. I've
been XC skiing since 1975 or so, Linda since the early eighties. We both
carried some food in our waist packs, because after a couple of hours you
start to "bonk". Well, we skied for about four hours Saturday morning
before we realized we hadn't stopped to eat anything. We had stopped to
re-wax our skis as the temperature rose, but while that would previously
had been an occasion to also pull out the bag of gorp, we hadn't. Hadn't
even thought about it.

Now when we ski with our friends and they stop to eat, we're the only ones
just drinking water.

Mark's Daily Apple is a good site. It's where I first read a comment on his
forum that carbs might be connected to acid reflux. I got much more than I
bargained for!

PJW

On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:34 AM, Derek Simmons <
retiredinsancleme...@gmail.com> wrote:

> EAT BACON DON'T JOG turned it around for me.
>
> *Derek Simmons*
> retiredinsancleme...@gmail.com
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:06 AM, William R. 
> wrote:
>
>> No no Peter, you are absolutely not the only person on earth with this
>> sensitivity. Our entire society is effected. counter intuitive food choices
>> are shoved in our faces at every turn. Most say mmm, tastes good, I’ll take
>> that. Few take your path and experiment and find out how healthy they can
>> be and feel good. The medical establishment is helplessly entwined in a
>> bull-headed system. The doctors are slaves to the big pharma and insurance
>> machine. Many books, as I’m sure you know, have been written on this
>> subject including EBDJ.
>>
>> Bill in Westchester, NY
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[RBW] Re: It’s all about the power: Handlebar height/body position

[Max S]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THzi7sKr8Rc 

On Monday, February 12, 2018 at 12:04:50 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Jan’s exploration of cycling myth #5, higher handlebars are more 
> comfortable, sure matches my experience single speeding (free or fixed), 
> where changing positions relates to only one thing because there is only 
> one gear: power output. On steep climbs, I tuck until I stand. Otherwise, 
> upright is fine.
>
> https://janheine.wordpress.com/2018/02/12/myth-5-an-upright-position-is-more-comfortable/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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Re: [RBW] OT: Lennard Zinn documents heart problem

[Palmer]

Hello Peter,
I am on the same boat with sugar and grains. No official heart trouble but lots 
of acid reflux, inflammation and sleep apnea. I went grain/sugar free in 
January 2017 and returned the apnea machine after 2 weeks because I had restful 
and restorative sleep for the first time in decades. Totally flipped out my 
sleep doctor who wanted me to go on to my 3rd machine but only after an EKG to 
see if my heart could handle it. I followed Mark Sissons Primal Blueprint and 
not too closely.  It is like paleo but adds movement and proper sleep. I want 
to get out of the office and make a living that incorporates movement, sitting 
at the desk or even standing at it is very dissatisfying now. 
Thanks for sharing, Peter.
Tom Palmer
Twin Lake, MI

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[RBW] Re: Clem L Sizing for Wife with 87.5 PBH

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hey Tom, sorry just saw this. I get 17.5" for this measurement. Remember, I 
have the Bosco Bull bars--with the regular Bosco you could shorten this if 
necessary (ie, if you went with the 59 Clem, in which case you need to buy 
that bike on special for $1300 asap!).  My saddle height on the Clem is 
currently 73cm, a bit on the low side, but I sometimes run my city bikes 
that way. At this height there is about 5.5" from the top of the seat tube 
to the saddle rail. The bike and the seat post could easily handle a 75cm 
saddle height without looking weird (in my book, anyway.)

On Sunday, February 11, 2018 at 4:02:36 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
>
> Mark, thanks again.  The actual saddle height on her 58 Sam is 75cm / 
> 29.5", with about 4" of seatpost showing.  A little shorter SH than the PBH 
> - 11 calc that Riv suggests, but, it's where it's comfortable for her.  Do 
> you mind measuring the distance between the bar end of your grips and 
> approx where the seatpost would pierce the top of the saddle?  That would 
> give us a really good comparison to the Sam setup.  Thanks!
>
> Tom
>
> On Friday, February 9, 2018 at 7:44:11 AM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>>
>> Well, one of the things about the Clem L is you don't need to concern 
>> yourself with standover. Also the seat post and seat tube are super beefy, 
>> so if you don't mind a bit of post, the 52 will absolutely work in terms of 
>> reach to bars with a Bosco setup. I think if there is any real concern the 
>> bike could be too big, you can safely go with the 52 (if they have 'em in 
>> stock.)
>>
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Re: [RBW] OT: Lennard Zinn documents heart problem

[Derek Simmons]

EAT BACON DON'T JOG turned it around for me.

*Derek Simmons*
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On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:06 AM, William R.  wrote:

> No no Peter, you are absolutely not the only person on earth with this
> sensitivity. Our entire society is effected. counter intuitive food choices
> are shoved in our faces at every turn. Most say mmm, tastes good, I’ll take
> that. Few take your path and experiment and find out how healthy they can
> be and feel good. The medical establishment is helplessly entwined in a
> bull-headed system. The doctors are slaves to the big pharma and insurance
> machine. Many books, as I’m sure you know, have been written on this
> subject including EBDJ.
>
> Bill in Westchester, NY
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[RBW] Re: 57 cm Blue Frank Jones Sr

[lconley]

I love details. Note the RBW logo on the inside of the dropout:





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[RBW] FS: Frank Jones Senor parts a.k.a. "you choose my adventure"

[Dave Grossman]

We dont ever want to dscourage you from any bike!

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Re: [RBW] OT: Lennard Zinn documents heart problem

[William R.]

No no Peter, you are absolutely not the only person on earth with this 
sensitivity. Our entire society is effected. counter intuitive food choices are 
shoved in our faces at every turn. Most say mmm, tastes good, I’ll take that. 
Few take your path and experiment and find out how healthy they can be and feel 
good. The medical establishment is helplessly entwined in a bull-headed system. 
The doctors are slaves to the big pharma and insurance machine. Many books, as 
I’m sure you know, have been written on this subject including EBDJ.

Bill in Westchester, NY

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Re: [RBW] OT: Lennard Zinn documents heart problem

[Peter White]

I wonder if Zinn eats lots of carbohydrate? I used to, and since I was in
my early 20s and started bike racing, my heart would get all funky just
like Zinn describes. Starting bike racing coincided with changing to a high
carbohydrate diet, along with countless other people who discovered "carbo
loading" thanks to people like Bob Rodale and others extolling its virtues.
In 2012, at the age of 58, I was taking meds for my heart, as well as high
blood pressure meds. Coincidently, I was also plagued by acid reflux, and
decided to try eliminating certain foods to find out what was causing the
reflux. I eliminated all carbs from my diet, eating just meat and fish.
After a day the reflux was gone. My plan was to slowly add back various
foods, and when the reflux returned, I might then know the cause. But after
two days I noticed that the heart rhythm issue had vanished.

I told the cardiologist about this and he seemed disinterested, though he
told me that if it was still gone after two weeks I could stop the meds, a
beta blocker. Well, I stopped the beta blocker that day and still no
arrhythmia. I've spoken to my regular doctor as well as to two other
cardiologists about this in the years since. None of them has shown the
slightest interest. On occasion, I'll have something with sugar in it, and
the heart rhythm goes wonky again. So I now just grit my teeth and avoid
sugars.

I now eat meats, fish and salads. Heart is fine. No reflux, but most
importantly, no funky heart. Admittedly, I may be the only person on earth
with this sensitivity to carbs. Or I may be one of many people with doctors
who aren't interested in solutions for medical problems that they didn't
learn about in med school.

Peter White

On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 2:07 PM, dougP  wrote:

> While many in this group are not into training, racing or other extreme
> forms of cycling, this article is good information and may serve as a
> cautionary tale for someone you know:
>
> http://www.velonews.com/2018/02/bikes-and-tech/technical-faq
> /technical-faq-no-burning-haywire-heart_456565
>
> This goes back to "too much exercise may not be good for you".  Lennard
> does an excellent job of explaining a complex subject and relating his own
> experiences.  I've been down the path of drugs, cardioversion, ablations,
> pacemaker, different drugs, etc.  While I've never been a trained athlete,
> nor competed in any serious way, it's entirely possible that years of the
> "more is better" syndrome was contributory.
>
> Especially relevant is how he has had to adjust his riding activities to
> deal with his current reality.  It's a bit long & somewhat technical, but
> definitely worth the time and attention.
>
> Doug Peterson
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[RBW] 29 x 2.3-2.5 Knobby Tire & Rim Recommendations for Clem.

[Garth]

David, a Cliffhanger rim is perfect for such tires. 30mm is as wide of quality 
rim I know of these days. 

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