[RBW] Homer +1 discussion

[Tim Butterfield]

I started this in another thread specific to a Homer vs Roadini comparison,
but wanted to open the discussion to include other bikes.  That $10 gift
card could get very expensive.

Fitting another bike in our environment is a stretch and I don't really
need another bike at all, especially one that could be close stripped to my
Homer if I stripped it, which the Roadini might be.  I wanted a one bike to
do it all when I got the Homer.  It fits that role well.  However, there is
one role during this time of the year, which it does not fit.  It wouldn't
be today, though, because it snowed and I'm not as tough as Patrick.

Here in the PNW, the weather is mostly wet and often relatively cold from
late fall through early spring.  During that period, my Homer is stuck
inside on a trainer with a trainer tire mounted.  Then, along comes some
weather that is just absolutely gorgeous for a day or two.  I could take
the Homer off the trainer, swap tires, go for an hour ride or so, swap
tires again, and put it back on the trainer.  Or, I could just get on the
other bike and go.  The percentage of ride vs 'renching is certainly better
with having a second bike.  That means I'd get to do it more often last
minute when time frees up.  That's one thing I like about having the Homer
on the trainer.  If I feel like it and have a bit of time available, I can
just hop on it and spin, no wrenching needed.  I guess if I practiced
swapping the tire more than twice a year, I might get the time down where
the ratio to swap and swap back isn't too large compared with the
relatively brief ride time.

So, I'm not looking for a bike for any specific role other than available
to ride immediately.  Though it can fit many roles, when on the trainer
stand, that is one role my Homer does not fit.  For this role, almost any
+1 might suffice.  A quick to access local ride would be either something
like a ten mile mostly flat loop or parts of it or a ride into/through town
and back, also mostly flat.

I was originally thinking of maybe the stripped Roadini.  But, it has been
pointed out a stripped Roadini is similar to a stripped Homer.  Maybe I
need something just a bit different in case I want to trade off in summer
also.

Hmmm.  I never really thought of this, but just saw the Frank Jones Sr in
55/57 available, both of which would fit my 83.8 PBH, though both are only
in the same Homer blue I have now.  I haven't ridden single speed since I
was a kid.  Not having done it for so long, I'm not really sure I see the
appeal of it very well, but I'm open to learning.  I'm also not sure if my
out of shape-ness would work well on a single speed, though the mostly flat
terrain immediately surrounding me is good for it.   The FJSr frame is more
expensive than the Roadini, but I'd likely save some in component costs.

Any comments on this or other bikes I should consider as a +1 to a stripped
or not Homer would be appreciated.

Thanks.

Tim

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadini vs Homer

[Tim Butterfield]

Ah, Patrick, you're the voice of reason.  Thanks for that.  As for the rest
of you enablers, thanks for that, too.  :)

Thanks, Ed, for the reminder of the Roadini vs Sam thread.  I'll look it up
and get that angle.  And, I'll start another thread for a more general +1
discussion.

Tim


On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 6:59 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Great excuse, but mininimal practicable difference for a non-racer is my
> guess based on experience with my similar yet wider apart hunqa v QB. If
> you need an excuse, you have it! Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Done. I didn’t want to post because there’s going to be a zillion emails in my 
inbox as all the replies come in. I’m posting now because I think people want 
to gauge the Hail Mary success.

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[RBW] Make me a baby Mtn. step-thru

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I’m pretty excited for you. If I can’t bring the boys I don’t want to go; so I 
needed a bike that could HAUL. I bought my Betty Foy in 2012 when my younger 
son was 4 and riding a Trek tag-along attachment. I was all set to get a Sam 
(what did I know?) and Keven, listening to me but translating what I really 
needed, firmly pointed me to the Betty Foy. Swinging a leg over the top tube is 
no fun with a kid in back. You are going to LOVE that step-through frame for 
your kid-hauling. My baby is now 9 and I wouldn’t trade my bike. I love it for 
its history and because it feels like an extension of me. It’s just so...all 
purpose. 

I recommend: Nitto Big Front rack, a huge Wald, a Sackville bag for the bars, 
and two bottle cages if you have the mounts. Oh, and double kickstand! And a 
reflective triangle for your kiddo! 
Having fun vicariously shopping for you,
Leah

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[RBW] Riding within me means ... more fixed gear contemplations

[Philip Williamson]

I can peg my pants riding fixed while strapped into Campy Victory pedals. I’ve 
ridden with clips or clipless more than half my riding life. Meh.
I tried it again recently with Bruce Gordon titanium half-clips and White 
Industries platform pedals. Nicest pedals in the world. Not for me.

More clips for you, right?

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Wayne Naha]

Damn, that could be a tough nut to crack.  We are the low hanging fruit 
here.  35 posts by 29 authors at the time of this writing.  Well short of 
$100,000.00.  Still, anyone who has done business with them, come on, a ten 
dollar credit to get them over a hump?  It's not a difficult choice.

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 10:51:36 PM UTC-5, Leslie wrote:
>
> Actually, it said two-thirds   ie, they're needing a liquid $100k 
> instantly...  I think we're the low-hanging fruit here, and the ones 
> willing to pick up more than one $10 credit.  But how many folks are active 
> here?  They need a lot more than just us.
>
> Hopefully we can get them through this.   
>
>
>
>  
>
> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 10:32:44 PM UTC-5, Wayne Naha wrote:
>>
>> Welp, I just bought a couple.  They said that all they needed was for a 
>> third of 15,000 people to buy one $10 credit.  They are off to a good start 
>> here, so I am completely optimistic that Riv can ride out the storm.  This 
>> kind of thing builds character, don't you know.
>>
>> .
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Reid]

I'm also a big fan of Rivendells and of Grant's philosophy about bike 
riding. However ...

It seems to me that the base of cyclists who are tapped into Riv is very 
small. We (all of us on this list) buy as much as we can manage (two bikes 
last year for myself and my wife).  I tend to buy well made stuff, then 
keep it and use it for a looong time, which means that I'll need another 
new bike in about 25 years. When I have everything I need, I quit spending. 
 I don't buy and then trade/sell as a hobby, just to try out the latest 
models. Nothing wrong with that, but I think that the Riv customer base, in 
general, spends to its limits and then drops off to a quieter level.

Unlike the wanna-be racer crowd, we just don't need the latest "New! 
Improved!" carbon fiber, spandex goodie every season. I know that I am 
actually not going to get any faster by buying a titanium bolt that weighs 
1.243 grams less than the steel bolt. Rivs are not made with planned 
obsolescence in mind, the traditional way to keep up sales.

Riv needs a bigger customer base. We on this list do what we can, but I 
doubt we can save the company. So seriously, does anyone out there have the 
kind of marketing background needed to expand the customer base? What Riv 
needs in the long term is more buzz and more paying customers. Who can help?

Reid




 

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Atlantii and Frank Jones Sr's on the Riv site

[dougP]

Those Atlantis' are only a couple of bucks more than I paid for mine back 
in '03!  That's a screamin' deal if ever there was one.

dougP

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 3:08:07 PM UTC-8, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> Seems if you really want a 56cm Atlantis, you might have some decisions to 
> make (26" vs 650B).
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/web-special-framesets-and-bicycles
>
> Also some Frank Jones Sr frames
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/web-special-frames
>
>
> Ok, I check these things more than I should...
>
> Bob Lovejoy
> Galesburg, IL
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[dougP]

That was an easy call.  I figured I've pre-paid for the upcoming Silver 
thumb shifters I've been lusting after.  

dougP

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 4:38:03 PM UTC-8, Chris Birkenmaier 
wrote:
>
> I was just in Ri s website and saw their request for their loyal 
> supporters to purchase store credits of $10 units to help through a cash 
> flow jump. I promptly purchased some credits. I love this company and am 
> happy to help them out. Goodness knows I always find things I want to buy 
> from them. While I was doing this I also got an email with the request. 
>  I’d encourage you all to read your email or visit their website for 
> complete details 
> Chris 
> Who is getting a Roadini to add to the collection

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[RBW] Riv request for store credits

[Christopher Murray]

I wonder if instead of 10,000 people spending $10 in credit we couldn’t 
organize a smaller group of people (100, 200, 500) to all get a larger amount. 
There are thousands of people on this list, right? 200 people getting a $500 
credit would get Riv there quickly. I’d be willing. Would it be possible? Would 
200 people do it? 

Just a thought.

Chris

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones Sr build "done"

[Doug Bloch]

A lovely build, Igor. Glad I am getting the Maes Parallels instead of this bike 
getting them!

Please post pics now that you’ve wrapped the bars.

Doug
Alameda CA USA

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[RBW] New to me Sam

[tc]

You will love the That bike - hard not to. It just works. 

Welcome to the Sam club!

Tom

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[RBW] Riv request for store credits

[tc]

Thanks for the tip - buried in a sea of email and mighta missed it!  Getting 
several with a plan to keep one for my son so that one day he can see what real 
bikes used to look like, and the thought that went into them!

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Jonathan D.]

I purchased a gift certificate and ordered some stuff earlier in the month. I 
hope this helps them through the push to get past whatever financial situation 
they are in. 

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[RBW] Re: Roadini vs Homer

[Ed Carolipio]

I have a Roadini set up as a "roadie" (no fenders or rack, and just a small 
saddlesack for stuff) and I weigh 215 lbs. Sadly, not a Homer owner (yet) 
but I do have an Appaloosa and lots of folks weighed in on a Roadini vs Sam 
discussion recently.

Based on that, the "stripped down" part of your question is probably more 
important than the "Roadini vs Homer" part. It'll be hard to tell the 
difference between a stripped down Roadini and a stripped down Homer, or at 
least for most situations we will see, but having a second bike set up that 
way saves you the trouble of swapping stuff around on the single bike to 
get the different ride characteristics. As for rider weight, the Roadini 
doesn't seem bothered with my ... err ... bulk.


--Ed C.

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 6:17:28 PM UTC-8, Tim Butterfield wrote:
>
> It's a good thing that 54 Roadini demo is blue instead of grilver or I 
> would probably have it in addition to the Hail Mary.  Thankfully, I don't 
> need another blue as I already have my Homer.  I don't really have room for 
> another bike in my RV either.  But, if it were grilver, I might have to 
> find a way; good thing it's not. 
>
> I really should not be having this conversation, but thinking of this has 
> me wondering something.  My Homer is decked out with dyno, lights, fenders, 
> and racks.  With a stripped Roadini, how much different might that be in 
> the riding/handling department given my current 220+ pound weight?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tim
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Ray Varella]

I sent them a note with my credits purchase. 

Their emails have been getting routed to my spam folder in spite of me labeling 
them “not spam”. 

If that happens a lot then many people on their list don’t get their emails. 

Not sure how we can help with that. 

Ray

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Rod Holland]

I'm in for some credits. Also bit on the Clem-L pre-sale. Hope that helps with 
the cash flow, too, but my accounting crystal is cloudy...

rod

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Leslie]

Actually, it said two-thirds   ie, they're needing a liquid $100k 
instantly...  I think we're the low-hanging fruit here, and the ones 
willing to pick up more than one $10 credit.  But how many folks are active 
here?  They need a lot more than just us.

Hopefully we can get them through this.   



 

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 10:32:44 PM UTC-5, Wayne Naha wrote:
>
> Welp, I just bought a couple.  They said that all they needed was for a 
> third of 15,000 people to buy one $10 credit.  They are off to a good start 
> here, so I am completely optimistic that Riv can ride out the storm.  This 
> kind of thing builds character, don't you know.
>
> .
>

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[RBW] Re: Chroming a Rivendell?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Yeah, gone are the days when bike manufacturers would fully chrome a frame 
and fork--and then paint over it! Like my 1975 chromed and painted Takara. 
I doubt chrome weakens metal all that much, if at all. I doubt Jan Heine of 
Bicycle Quarterly would have had his Rene Herse finished in chrome if that 
were true. It is true, though, that chroming is not so environmentally 
healthy.




On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 10:14:05 PM UTC-5, Ian A wrote:
>
> I read one of Tony Oliver's books, mostly about touring bikes if I recall. 
> I do recall that he was against chrome on a bicycle, the reasoning that it 
> actually weakened the metal as well as adding unnecessary cost.
>
> I'm going from memory, so I may have misremembered the reasoning against 
> chrome, but he was definitely against chrome.
>
> I've always liked chrome chainstays and fork tips from an aesthetic 
> perspective on vintage bikes though.
>
> IanA (Say no to chrome!)
>
> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 7:54:31 PM UTC-7, Michael Morrissey 
> wrote:
>>
>> My understanding is chrome is old school and very environmentally 
>> hazardous. You can powder coat bikes now to look chrome. Do that. 
>
>

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[RBW] Riding within me means ... more fixed gear contemplations

[Davey Two Shoes]

Yea, yea. But if you havent't tried it foolish to knock it. There is an obvious 
difference in the ride. But maybe you've tried and decided it's not for you. I 
don't know. 

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[RBW] Re: Who's the person on here that makes front rando bags (and others)?

[Leslie]

I have an Acorn one; well done.  I've been drooling over Swift panniers for 
years, just haven't pulled the trigger yet, always other things come up
  

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 1:59:42 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> Lum:
>
> Lots of sources but two that come to mind are Acorn and Swift.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 10:06:53 AM UTC-8, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>>
>> I forgot.
>> How much are the rando bags?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: roscoe mtn mixte or similar

[Leslie]

Pics!


On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 5:57:49 PM UTC-5, Drw wrote:
>
> Well DP said i should call Riv because he heard that they may be doing 
> another run of mtn mixtes. While that news didn't happen to be true, they 
> did tell me that they found one hiding behind some boxes that happens to be 
> my size. So, problem solveduntil i get home and have to explain this to 
> my wife. 
>

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[RBW] Make me a baby Mtn. step-thru

[Drw]

Providence or bad luck had it that Rivendell would find a hidden roscoe 
bubbe mountain mixte on the same day that i was looking for one on the 
group, and then right after i bought it and felt like i was super 
impulsive, they sent out the email that made me feel good about spending 
money i dont really have today so i added a wheelset to the order... 
to, you know keep supporting them. 

 My main reason for looking for this type of bike is to turn it into a kid 
carrying thing for the next 2 years.  i feel like the step thru is gonna 
make baby mounting, stopping/starting and getting on/off feel much more 
stable, OR i always thought these frames were badass and this feels like a 
legitimate reason i can convince myself of. 

Anyway, i've got a vintage trek mtb that will be donating some parts. i'd 
like to set this up as a 1x with a big cassette, which will be a new 
venture for me. 
heres the list of what ive already got. in my head, i'm thinking apocalypse 
s240 baby carriage and i'm gonna do my best to treat the bike unpreciously 
(hopefully the lack of lugs will encourage some roughness)
 
-nitto bullmoose cockpit with thumb shifters
-riv budget 650b wheelset (alex rims and lx hubs)
-riv stock headset, seatpost, bb

I'm looking for recommendations on 

-baby seats  (and/or racks that work with them if needed)
-other kid bike things besides seats that you found useful that i dont even 
know exist yet
-tires
-1x crank and other 1x things i should be considering. 
-big cassette


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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Bob B]

It means GP started using puns!

Bob B.
Brooklyn NY

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Jim M.]

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 7:23:22 PM UTC-8, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> "...have created a threat we might not be able to ride out..."
>
> I hope that don't mean what I think it means.
>

It means the existence of the business is threatened. Not for the first 
time. Did you buy credits? I did.

jim m
walnut creek ca 

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Leslie]

I'm in.  

I'd just ordered some parts the other day, are still enroute; there were a 
few things they didn't have in stock, I had to order from elsewhere.  But 
I'm suddenly wishing I'd been able to have been patient and waited until 
they restocked and bought from them instead of elsewhere.  

I need to revisit, see if there's anything else I need to have sent my way 
now, even if I don't need it yet, I can just sit on it until I do

-L
  

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Wayne Naha]

Welp, I just bought a couple.  They said that all they needed was for a 
third of 15,000 people to buy one $10 credit.  They are off to a good start 
here, so I am completely optimistic that Riv can ride out the storm.  This 
kind of thing builds character, don't you know.

.

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Lum Gim Fong]

"...have created a threat we might not be able to ride out..."

I hope that don't mean what I think it means.


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[RBW] Re: Chroming a Rivendell?

[Ian A]

I read one of Tony Oliver's books, mostly about touring bikes if I recall. 
I do recall that he was against chrome on a bicycle, the reasoning that it 
actually weakened the metal as well as adding unnecessary cost.

I'm going from memory, so I may have misremembered the reasoning against 
chrome, but he was definitely against chrome.

I've always liked chrome chainstays and fork tips from an aesthetic 
perspective on vintage bikes though.

IanA (Say no to chrome!)

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 7:54:31 PM UTC-7, Michael Morrissey 
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>
> My understanding is chrome is old school and very environmentally 
> hazardous. You can powder coat bikes now to look chrome. Do that. 

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[RBW] Re: Roadini vs Homer

[Deacon Patrick]

Great excuse, but mininimal practicable difference for a non-racer is my guess 
based on experience with my similar yet wider apart hunqa v QB. If you need an 
excuse, you have it! Grin.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Chroming a Rivendell?

[Michael Morrissey]

My understanding is chrome is old school and very environmentally hazardous. 
You can powder coat bikes now to look chrome. Do that. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Birdman]

Bought the creditand a bunch of other stuff.  More than happy to help 
my favorite company.

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[RBW] Re: Roadini vs Homer

[Brian Campbell]

I think the lighter bike feels different enough to warrant having it. I 
bought a used Riv Custom off the this list as a partner to my fendered and 
dyno equipped Homer. There is a bout a 7lb difference between them, so not 
really a huge difference but the Custom gives a different feel when riding 
and I notice it most when climbing hills. More lively. Not scientific but 
variety keeps riding interesting.




 

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> It's a good thing that 54 Roadini demo is blue instead of grilver or I 
> would probably have it in addition to the Hail Mary.  Thankfully, I don't 
> need another blue as I already have my Homer.  I don't really have room for 
> another bike in my RV either.  But, if it were grilver, I might have to 
> find a way; good thing it's not. 
>
> I really should not be having this conversation, but thinking of this has 
> me wondering something.  My Homer is decked out with dyno, lights, fenders, 
> and racks.  With a stripped Roadini, how much different might that be in 
> the riding/handling department given my current 220+ pound weight?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Tim
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Ed Fausto]

More than happy to support this company who made riding bikes a joy!
Ed Fausto

On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Richard Rios 
wrote:

> Got mine hope it helps. Been a Riv fan and supporter for some time.
> Noticed they have a 53, 55, and 57 senior Frank Jones on web special might
> be a good time to grab one.
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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Richard Rios]

Got mine hope it helps. Been a Riv fan and supporter for some time. Noticed 
they have a 53, 55, and 57 senior Frank Jones on web special might be a good 
time to grab one. 

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Michael Morrissey]

What will the catalog look like? Rivendell should skip the catalog and go 
straight to a Taschen-style coffee table book. 

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[RBW] Roadini vs Homer

[Tim Butterfield]

It's a good thing that 54 Roadini demo is blue instead of grilver or I
would probably have it in addition to the Hail Mary.  Thankfully, I don't
need another blue as I already have my Homer.  I don't really have room for
another bike in my RV either.  But, if it were grilver, I might have to
find a way; good thing it's not.

I really should not be having this conversation, but thinking of this has
me wondering something.  My Homer is decked out with dyno, lights, fenders,
and racks.  With a stripped Roadini, how much different might that be in
the riding/handling department given my current 220+ pound weight?

Thanks.

Tim

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[RBW] Re: Who's the person on here that makes front rando bags (and others)?

[Peter Adler]

Ruthworks , Loyal Designs 
...

Peter Adler
who's seen both Eli Rodriguez of Ruthworks and Phil Woosley of Loyal in the 
wild in/near
Berkeley, CA/USA

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Re: [RBW] Chroming a Rivendell?

[Brewster Fong]

Agree, besides the cost, there's the maintenance. Yes, chrome does require 
some upkeep. I recently bought a used Ron Cooper bike with chrome fork. The 
chrome fork probably isn't original, but it had a nice layer of rust on it. 
Using a stainless scrubber, I was able to remove most of the rust without 
damaging the chrome.  But, there's still some pitting that can't be 
removed. 

So yes, you can do it and if you have the money well, it would be 
different!  However, if you're really going to spend the big $$$s on 
chroming a Riv, then you really should have a custom! Of course, YMMV! Good 
Luck!

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 4:17:44 PM UTC-8, Eric Norris wrote:
>
> You might find someone who will do it cheaper, but if you’re looking for 
> bicycle-quality chrome plating, it’s not cheap. Here are Joe Bell’s prices, 
> which include $350 to chrome plate a fork and $500 to plate just the rear 
> stays and dropouts: http://www.joebell.net/pdf/JB_form_09-17_v2.pdf 
>
> Custom plating an entire frame would be prohibitively expensive.
>
> --Eric N
> Twitter/Instagram/YouTube: @CampyOnlyGuy
>
> On Feb 21, 2018, at 3:41 PM, Lum Gim Fong  > wrote:
>
> Anyone chromed their 'dell upon need for a repaint?
>
> Any downsides to chroming? Is it expensive?
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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm forwarding the email on to a few folks who are not on the mailing list 
but know about the company. Not a chain letter, exactly, but can't hurt.

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 7:38:03 PM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier 
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> I was just in Ri s website and saw their request for their loyal 
> supporters to purchase store credits of $10 units to help through a cash 
> flow jump. I promptly purchased some credits. I love this company and am 
> happy to help them out. Goodness knows I always find things I want to buy 
> from them. While I was doing this I also got an email with the request. 
>  I’d encourage you all to read your email or visit their website for 
> complete details 
> Chris 
> Who is getting a Roadini to add to the collection

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Re: [RBW] Riv request for store credits

[Tim Butterfield]

Did it.  Got tempted by the blue 54 Roadini demo; manage to resist it.
That's another thread, though.

Tim

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> supporters to purchase store credits of $10 units to help through a cash
> flow jump. I promptly purchased some credits. I love this company and am
> happy to help them out. Goodness knows I always find things I want to buy
> from them. While I was doing this I also got an email with the request.
> I’d encourage you all to read your email or visit their website for
> complete details
> Chris
> Who is getting a Roadini to add to the collection
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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I noticed the same thing.  A lot are sold out. Was hoping they will restock

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

I love my Compass Knickers except I bought them when the pocket openings 
were very small and I have to fish things out of my pocket with my fingers. 
They since have fixed that issue.
I bought two Snoqualmie Pass tires and one arrived with an area across the 
tire that had a bubble or delaminated.
Theo took car of it immediately.
Great customer service.
Jon

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[RBW] BROOKS PROOFIDE not free

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/161b9e1649d81606

Sign of the times
My first Brooks Saddle came with a small canister of Proofide to treat my 
saddle.
My second Brooks came with Proofide in a little ketchup packet like you get 
at baseball game .
Now it looks like you will have to pay for it when you buy a Brooks saddle 
starting February 28th.
See e-mail from Brooks.
Jon

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam Racking

[sameness]

I sent you a PM but I'm about 60/40 with those, so just in case, email me 
at my user name at Gmail dot com, please and thanks?

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 3:48:07 PM UTC-8, nathan wrote:
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> This also means I'll have a very nice condition 60cm green Quickbeam for 
> sale. Email me if you're interested.
>

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[RBW] Re: Unsafe helmets

[Kenneth Cote]

Good to know. Pursue elsewhere?


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> Before you buy your next helmet you should consider this:
> https://www.bikebiz.com/news/anti-gun-bike-brand-boycott
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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[drew]

I bought a mtn mixte, that they just found, earlier today. I wasn’t intending 
to buy a bike today and I don’t really neeed it and I can’t realy afford 
it, so i was having a bit of buyers remorse. Now I’m happy I did and I can buy 
parts for it now and feel good about it!

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Bob B]

Did it!

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Kenneth Cote]

$200 later


On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 4:38:03 PM UTC-8, Chris Birkenmaier 
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> happy to help them out. Goodness knows I always find things I want to buy 
> from them. While I was doing this I also got an email with the request. 
>  I’d encourage you all to read your email or visit their website for 
> complete details 
> Chris 
> Who is getting a Roadini to add to the collection

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Re: [RBW] Chroming a Rivendell?

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Not so sure I’d like the looks of that. I have several unpainted ti bikes but 
chrome is a whole other kettle of fish

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Scott McLain]

I bought some hail mary planning to purchase one of the blue Riv ball caps 
that are out of stock.  They are also low on a lot of inventory of 
consumables.  Not a good sign.  I have come addicted to their yokozuma 
cable packs. They look great on every bike.  

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 5:38:03 PM UTC-7, Chris Birkenmaier 
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>
> I was just in Ri s website and saw their request for their loyal 
> supporters to purchase store credits of $10 units to help through a cash 
> flow jump. I promptly purchased some credits. I love this company and am 
> happy to help them out. Goodness knows I always find things I want to buy 
> from them. While I was doing this I also got an email with the request. 
>  I’d encourage you all to read your email or visit their website for 
> complete details 
> Chris 
> Who is getting a Roadini to add to the collection

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[RBW] Re: WTB: roscoe mtn mixte or similar

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Just rode my mountain mixte today. What a great ride. So smooth and everything 
just fits me well

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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones Sr build "done"

[Belopsky]

Not a full shot but some details of my bar end plugs/wrapped bars
https://photos.app.goo.gl/ckxrBZk6S41zp84H2

I went and trimmed the MT-10 stem a bit to lower the bars just a tad. It's 
always tricky to cut Nitto stems but the nice thing is that you don't have 
to be perfect with it and it still clamps fine ;)

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Oh go ahead Ed!  You have our permission!

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[RBW] Re: WTB: roscoe mtn mixte or similar

[rw1911]

Lucky you!  Let me know if they find a large one as well.  : )  It's 
nowhere in the budget, I would sure try.


On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 5:57:49 PM UTC-5, drew wrote:
>
> Well DP said i should call Riv because he heard that they may be doing 
> another run of mtn mixtes. While that news didn't happen to be true, they 
> did tell me that they found one hiding behind some boxes that happens to be 
> my size. So, problem solveduntil i get home and have to explain this to 
> my wife. 
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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Ed Carolipio]

Picked some up as soon as I read the e-mail. Followed the link and bought 
them like regular gift cards, and now they're ready to get spent - so easy. 
The hard part is resisting the urge to burn them on a fourth Riv order this 
month...

--Ed C.

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>
> I was just in Ri s website and saw their request for their loyal 
> supporters to purchase store credits of $10 units to help through a cash 
> flow jump. I promptly purchased some credits. I love this company and am 
> happy to help them out. Goodness knows I always find things I want to buy 
> from them. While I was doing this I also got an email with the request. 
>  I’d encourage you all to read your email or visit their website for 
> complete details 
> Chris 
> Who is getting a Roadini to add to the collection

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Brian Campbell]

Just bought 5. I hope they make it.

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 8:10:35 PM UTC-5, DadDadDaddio wrote:
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> Just bought some as well. It must be hard to make an ask like this. I was 
> glad to help.

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[DadDadDaddio]

Just bought some as well. It must be hard to make an ask like this. I was glad 
to help.

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Atlantii and Frank Jones Sr's on the Riv site

[Bob Lovejoy]

Agreed I guess here's to a quick resolution of the cash flow issues and 
good people getting to ride their bikes without worry.  

Grant and company have had a real influence on how I think about bikes, 
riding, enjoying, all of it... and I so value that learning and those 
insights.  Credits are in my cart and maybe a few more things as well.

Bob
 

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 6:49:51 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> "Seems I remember Grant mentioning he really wanted one so I hope he 
> bought it."
>
> Given their latest cashflow crisis, it is MUCH more likely that Grant had 
> it set aside, and elected to release it to us to help solve the cashflow 
> problem. 
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[BSWP]

I just bought a bunch (and got email confirmation for each individual $10 
store credit). It's an easy call - RBW needs the cash, and they have what 
I'll be needing, down the road. 

While I'm here, let me also just say how GREAT the new MUSA Can-Tuck-It 
shirts are - fit, looks, feel, coolness. The green, especially, has a 
shimmering color quality that shifts as you look at it from different 
angles. I already have two, but need to get a couple more, for the long 
haul. The sizing however, on the website, is all whack... those instruction 
would have had me in a M, where the XL is the right size (I went there in 
person to try on).

- Andrew, Berkeley

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Atlantii and Frank Jones Sr's on the Riv site

[Ed Carolipio]

Bah, none are my size. I wish I was a little bit taller...

--Ed C.

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 3:08:07 PM UTC-8, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> Seems if you really want a 56cm Atlantis, you might have some decisions to 
> make (26" vs 650B).
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/web-special-framesets-and-bicycles
>
> Also some Frank Jones Sr frames
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/web-special-frames
>
>
> Ok, I check these things more than I should...
>
> Bob Lovejoy
> Galesburg, IL
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT- 40 hole 145mm rear hub, or wheel with one. + other tandemy things

[Kainalu V.]

Absolutely. The same wheel perfectification specialist is going to build my 
front wheel...
-Kai 
BK NY 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam Racking

[Philip Williamson]

Congratulations again! The Frank Jones seems like it would be pretty happy 
with a Tubus and an Ortleib. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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>
> A surprise resolution to this thread! I just ordered the blue 59 Frank 
> Jones Sr that went on the 'web specials' today. That's the Rivendell single 
> speed frame I actually wanted when I got this Quickbeam. Very excited!
>
> This also means I'll have a very nice condition 60cm green Quickbeam for 
> sale. Email me if you're interested.
>
> Cheers,
> Nathan
>
> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 10:11 PM, Philip Williamson  > wrote:
>
>> Huh. I removed CR720s, and installed CX50s.
>> I bend-fudged the arms a bit, since the rack had been repaired, but 
>> everything lined up perfectly, including the fender drilling to the M12 
>> mount. The Wald was welded right to the rack, too, which is pretty ratrod 
>> couture.
>>
>> I do not use the double-ended bolts, I just bolt the rack arms to the 
>> cantis with the normal canti bolt. It works for me. You crazy kids with 
>> your “measuring” and your “special bolts!”
>>
>> Philip
>> Santa Rosa, CA
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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

['Jennings' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Just bought one too. Anything to help out. 

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[reynoldslugs]

yep, I'm in.

Team Rivendell has materially made my life better since 1999.  No brainer 
here.

I might not have returned to cycling (back in 1999) but for Rivendell.  The 
cardiologist says it's more or less kept me from checking out, so I think 
this is a good investment for me.

thanks G and Co

Max

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[RBW] Riv request for store credits

[MartyG]

Bought a handful of credits, but honestly would rather donate them back. I get 
way more value from Rivendell than I return anyway. A printed catalog will be 
cool though. That alone is worth five Hail Marys to me. Probably more. 

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Atlantii and Frank Jones Sr's on the Riv site

[Bill Lindsay]

"Seems I remember Grant mentioning he really wanted one so I hope he bought 
it."

Given their latest cashflow crisis, it is MUCH more likely that Grant had 
it set aside, and elected to release it to us to help solve the cashflow 
problem. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 4:25:21 PM UTC-8, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> There must be a new and lucky owner of a 56cm 650B Atlantis around as 
> there was one posted, now not showing.  
>
> Also, one of the rare, somewhat mythical, 59cm Frank Jones Sr frames was 
> also posted, now also gone.  Maybe it was a mistake in the posting but it 
> was there.
> Seems I remember Grant mentioning he really wanted one so I hope he bought 
> it.   Maybe he sat there thinking he could resist and just could not, like 
> the rest of us at times :>)
>
> Bob
>

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[RBW] Riv request for store credits

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Apologies for my typos.  I’m shopping now too

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[RBW] Riv request for store credits

[Christopher Murray]

Bought some credits. Hmmm what can I spend them on? 

“YOPP!”

Cheers!
Chris

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Chris]

yep, just saw the email and did my "Hail Mary" deed...  

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 7:38:03 PM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier 
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>
> I was just in Ri s website and saw their request for their loyal 
> supporters to purchase store credits of $10 units to help through a cash 
> flow jump. I promptly purchased some credits. I love this company and am 
> happy to help them out. Goodness knows I always find things I want to buy 
> from them. While I was doing this I also got an email with the request. 
>  I’d encourage you all to read your email or visit their website for 
> complete details 
> Chris 
> Who is getting a Roadini to add to the collection

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[RBW] Riv request for store credits

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I was just in Ri s website and saw their request for their loyal supporters to 
purchase store credits of $10 units to help through a cash flow jump. I 
promptly purchased some credits. I love this company and am happy to help them 
out. Goodness knows I always find things I want to buy from them. While I was 
doing this I also got an email with the request.  I’d encourage you all to read 
your email or visit their website for complete details
Chris
Who is getting a Roadini to add to the collection

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Atlantii and Frank Jones Sr's on the Riv site

[Bob Lovejoy]

There must be a new and lucky owner of a 56cm 650B Atlantis around as there 
was one posted, now not showing.  

Also, one of the rare, somewhat mythical, 59cm Frank Jones Sr frames was 
also posted, now also gone.  Maybe it was a mistake in the posting but it 
was there.
Seems I remember Grant mentioning he really wanted one so I hope he bought 
it.   Maybe he sat there thinking he could resist and just could not, like 
the rest of us at times :>)

Bob

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Re: [RBW] Chroming a Rivendell?

[Eric Norris]

You might find someone who will do it cheaper, but if you’re looking for 
bicycle-quality chrome plating, it’s not cheap. Here are Joe Bell’s prices, 
which include $350 to chrome plate a fork and $500 to plate just the rear stays 
and dropouts: http://www.joebell.net/pdf/JB_form_09-17_v2.pdf 

Custom plating an entire frame would be prohibitively expensive.

--Eric N
Twitter/Instagram/YouTube: @CampyOnlyGuy

> On Feb 21, 2018, at 3:41 PM, Lum Gim Fong  wrote:
> 
> Anyone chromed their 'dell upon need for a repaint?
> 
> Any downsides to chroming? Is it expensive?
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[RBW] Re: PSA: Atlantii and Frank Jones Sr's on the Riv site

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I am very grateful right now that neither of these are in my size. 

The Frank Jones is really beautiful.

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 5:08:07 PM UTC-6, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> Seems if you really want a 56cm Atlantis, you might have some decisions to 
> make (26" vs 650B).
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/web-special-framesets-and-bicycles
>
> Also some Frank Jones Sr frames
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/web-special-frames
>
>
> Ok, I check these things more than I should...
>
> Bob Lovejoy
> Galesburg, IL
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

[Steve Butcher]

Excellent explanation, Patrick.  Many of the bodily functions involve 
reserves and restoration.  

->Steve Butcher
   Stockton, Missouri

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 3:39:42 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Great question, Lum. How much of an answer do you want? Ready? Duck! Grin. 
>
> For me, pants create a lot of fabric motion on the leg, which most people 
> never notice, but which adds to the “noise” my brain has to cut through to 
> function in the world. Shorts, less so, but can easily be more than 
> knickers. Knickers, cinched at the knee, allow full freedom of motion with 
> minimal fabric motion over the skin. Less clutter for me brain to deal with 
> means more, better, longer rides, and greater recovery and healing over 
> time. 
>
> The macro concept that is part of is that we all get a daily allotment of 
> “brain energy” and we have to stay in the “black” like any wise budget 
> does. But with brain injury, instea of $10,000, I get $100 per day. And 
> costs are more (anyone under any kind of stress pays more in daily brain 
> energy costs), so while a car ride may cost a brain healthy person $5, it 
> costs me $25. However, riding my bike (and running) increase my daily brain 
> budget by 50% each day I ride. Fixed gear by 175%. So even with the “costs” 
> of traffic noise, I usually come out ahead. But I have to save wherever I 
> can. Also, healing and long term recover only happen when I am in the 
> “black.” When something overloads my brain and costs me $300 (three days 
> budget) in a few seconds, I am in debt and need three days to recover. One 
> of the gifts of fixed gear is I can ride even on some of these recovery (in 
> the red) days, speeding up my “income” and thus my recovery. 
>
> Just remember... you asked. Grin. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Unsafe helmets

[Joe Bernard]

This topic is a bad idea for this forum. 

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Re: [RBW] Unsafe helmets

[Bill Gibson]

I like some Nutcase designs. 



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[RBW] Unsafe helmets

[Michael Hechmer]

Before you buy your next helmet you should consider this:
https://www.bikebiz.com/news/anti-gun-bike-brand-boycott

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[RBW] Re: Interesting 56 cm Sam Hilborne frame on Ebay (not mine) - $375.00 OBO

[Ian A]

Well, that went quickly! Not to me, I was too late.

IanA

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 3:55:35 PM UTC-7, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
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> It has a couple of dents, but looks to be a really lovely frame at a 
> really attractive price.
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Sam-Hillborne-Touring-Randonneuring-Trail-Frameset-56cm-/192462979032?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368
>
> Kevin Lindsey
> Alexandria, VA
> USA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickbeam Racking

[Nathan Spindel]

A surprise resolution to this thread! I just ordered the blue 59 Frank
Jones Sr that went on the 'web specials' today. That's the Rivendell single
speed frame I actually wanted when I got this Quickbeam. Very excited!

This also means I'll have a very nice condition 60cm green Quickbeam for
sale. Email me if you're interested.

Cheers,
Nathan

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 10:11 PM, Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Huh. I removed CR720s, and installed CX50s.
> I bend-fudged the arms a bit, since the rack had been repaired, but
> everything lined up perfectly, including the fender drilling to the M12
> mount. The Wald was welded right to the rack, too, which is pretty ratrod
> couture.
>
> I do not use the double-ended bolts, I just bolt the rack arms to the
> cantis with the normal canti bolt. It works for me. You crazy kids with
> your “measuring” and your “special bolts!”
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
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[RBW] PSA: Atlantii and Frank Jones Sr's on the Riv site

[Joe Bernard]

Ah geez, a complete 53cm Atlantis for $2600. Help!!!

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[RBW] Chroming a Rivendell?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Anyone chromed their 'dell upon need for a repaint?

Any downsides to chroming? Is it expensive?

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[RBW] Re: Who's the person on here that makes front rando bags (and others)?

[DaveS]

Waxwing bag did a nice front bag for my Bombadil

Waxwingbag.com

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[RBW] PSA: Atlantii and Frank Jones Sr's on the Riv site

[Bob Lovejoy]

Seems if you really want a 56cm Atlantis, you might have some decisions to 
make (26" vs 650B).

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/web-special-framesets-and-bicycles

Also some Frank Jones Sr frames

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/web-special-frames


Ok, I check these things more than I should...

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL


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[RBW] Re: WTB: roscoe mtn mixte or similar

[drew]

Well DP said i should call Riv because he heard that they may be doing 
another run of mtn mixtes. While that news didn't happen to be true, they 
did tell me that they found one hiding behind some boxes that happens to be 
my size. So, problem solveduntil i get home and have to explain this to 
my wife. 

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[RBW] Interesting 56 cm Sam Hilborne frame on Ebay (not mine) - $375.00 OBO

[Kevin Lindsey]

It has a couple of dents, but looks to be a really lovely frame at a really 
attractive price.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rivendell-Sam-Hillborne-Touring-Randonneuring-Trail-Frameset-56cm-/192462979032?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368

Kevin Lindsey
Alexandria, VA
USA

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[RBW] Riding within me means ... more fixed gear contemplations

[Deacon Patrick]

Shrug. Sigh. Grin.

Though I quote meself: “Conventional wisdom so often thinks more of itself than 
it ought. Grin.”

Technically, I have foot retention: ankle above, spikes below. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Riding within me means ... more fixed gear contemplations

[Philip Williamson]

I think you must mean "more pure?"

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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> Love your bike, love your bloghate that you don't use foot retention. 
> Seems less pure somehow. To each their own :)

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

[Deacon Patrick]

Great question, Lum. How much of an answer do you want? Ready? Duck! Grin.

For me, pants create a lot of fabric motion on the leg, which most people never 
notice, but which adds to the “noise” my brain has to cut through to function 
in the world. Shorts, less so, but can easily be more than knickers. Knickers, 
cinched at the knee, allow full freedom of motion with minimal fabric motion 
over the skin. Less clutter for me brain to deal with means more, better, 
longer rides, and greater recovery and healing over time.

The macro concept that is part of is that we all get a daily allotment of 
“brain energy” and we have to stay in the “black” like any wise budget does. 
But with brain injury, instea of $10,000, I get $100 per day. And costs are 
more (anyone under any kind of stress pays more in daily brain energy costs), 
so while a car ride may cost a brain healthy person $5, it costs me $25. 
However, riding my bike (and running) increase my daily brain budget by 50% 
each day I ride. Fixed gear by 175%. So even with the “costs” of traffic noise, 
I usually come out ahead. But I have to save wherever I can. Also, healing and 
long term recover only happen when I am in the “black.” When something 
overloads my brain and costs me $300 (three days budget) in a few seconds, I am 
in debt and need three days to recover. One of the gifts of fixed gear is I can 
ride even on some of these recovery (in the red) days, speeding up my “income” 
and thus my recovery.

Just remember... you asked. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: CANTI SAM BUILD

[Jon Dukeman]

Bob,
Thanks.
Here's a couple of photos that shows the 44mm tires the clearance at the
front fork and seat stay bridge.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126595234@N07/39695515394/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/126595234@N07/39695504954/

Jon


"FRIENDS DON'T LET FRIENDS RIDE JUNK "

On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 7:41 PM, Bob Warner  wrote:

> Cool bike Jon - love the color!  Love the variety of ways this bike get
> built up!!
>
> Happy trails!
> Bob
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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

[Lum Gim Fong]

Why knickers and not something like MUSA long pants? I would think full leg 
coverage would be better in frosty Colorado.

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[RBW] Re: Who's the person on here that makes front rando bags (and others)?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Banzer is the one. Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: roscoe mtn mixte or similar

[drew]

and you can call it "Pacman" for short


>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Black Saddlesack Large or Medium

[WETH]

Bumping this as I am still seeking one: Black--medium or large.
With thanks,
Erl

On Tuesday, February 13, 2018 at 12:53:18 PM UTC-5, WETH wrote:
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> Please let me know if you have one for sale.
> Thanks,
> Erl

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[RBW] Frank Jones Sr build "done"

[Deacon Patrick]

Stunner!

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Who's the person on here that makes front rando bags (and others)?

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I've bought from David and highly recommend him.  I can't speak to the 
others mentioned from my own experiences.

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> I forgot.
> How much are the rando bags?
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[RBW] Re: Frank Jones Sr build "done"

[Eli Queen]

Looks great! Love the blue. If the logo is what's bothering you about that 
seatpost, it's just printed on. It comes off in no time with some # 
steel wool.

- Eli

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[RBW] Re: WTB/WTT- 40 hole 145mm rear hub, or wheel with one. + other tandemy things

[Julian Westerhout]

Kai, 

If you do go with the Velocity prebuilt wheel, pay a really good wheel 
builder to stress relieve and tweak it for you.

Julia Westerhout
Blomington, Il 

On Tuesday, February 20, 2018 at 11:45:53 PM UTC-6, Kainalu V. wrote:
>
> I gave a call today, they've got sets for sale, but since I've got 
> tubeless in mind and a 40 hole dyno hub headed my way, I'll likely end up 
> going with a velocity built rear wheel (novatech/velocity hub and 
> cliffhanger) and locally built front. 
>  Anybody familiar with the "zenith" hub sold by SJS? 
> https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/hubs-cassette-rear/zenith-tandem-6bolt-disc-89-speed-rear-cassette-hub-145mm-oln-40h/?geoc=US
> There's not too much info available on the website, but the price is 
> pretty good. Too good maybe?
> -Kai
> BK NY 
>

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[RBW] Re: Who's the person on here that makes front rando bags (and others)?

[Garth]

David Banzer also . 

http://treetop.bigcartel.com/category/front-bags

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> I forgot.
> How much are the rando bags?
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[RBW] Re: Have a sub 40 lb Atlantis?

[dougP]

I use an Acorn Rando bag, the original small one, as a self limiting load 
control.  Whenever I take it off the bike, I'm amazed at how much it 
weighs, and start rooting around to see what's in there.  Always find odd 
bits I thought I'd lost.  

dougP

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>
> Haha, it probably depends on what’s in those bags!  I have a cable, heavy 
> lock, tools, tubes, pen, change, and things I don’t even know about in that 
> handlebar bag.  I found a spare pair of eye glasses left over from a tour 
> in there the other day. 
>
> Bill

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