[RBW] Analog Cycles w(Right) stem write up

[Drw]

Also, any chance you’ll be making these in slightly longer extensions? I know 
that’s not the point but these are the best looking removable faceplate quill 
stems I’ve seen... by far

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[RBW] Re: bleriot frameset for sale

[Sky Coulter]

I think you'll get more interest with photos and a price, but there is 
doubtless someone around here looking for one.

Sky in new west

On Tuesday, 27 February 2018 22:12:34 UTC-8, Michael Monaco wrote:
>
> I have a 59cm Bleriot frameset (2nd owner) that I've regretfully concluded 
> is too tall for me.  I'm stripping the bike to convert another frame to 
> 650B. Is there any interest out there to purchase this frameset? It's in 
> excellent condition, not pristine, a couple minor nicks in the paint.  I'm 
> in the Boston area.
>
> Michael not quite tall enough.
>

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[RBW] bleriot frameset for sale

[Michael Monaco]

I have a 59cm Bleriot frameset (2nd owner) that I've regretfully concluded 
is too tall for me.  I'm stripping the bike to convert another frame to 
650B. Is there any interest out there to purchase this frameset? It's in 
excellent condition, not pristine, a couple minor nicks in the paint.  I'm 
in the Boston area.

Michael not quite tall enough.

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[RBW] Re: Flickstand alternatives? How to keep the front stable while not moving?

[Michael Monaco]

I set my quick release lever on the front brake caliper to hold the rim 
tight when engaged.  This prevents the bike from rolling easy to lean 
anywhere without fear of falling over.  I use the barrel adjuster to take 
up the tension, so when I need the remove the wheel, I loosen the barrel to 
allow clearance for tire between the brake pads.

Mr. Mike 

On Friday, June 9, 2017 at 3:46:24 PM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>
> Happy Friday everyone!
>
> Today my Appa made its first 24 mile commute to work, with my laptop bag 
> and bunch of other things in the front on Mark's rack/Wald's basket combo.
>
> With all that weight in the front, keeping the bike stable while not 
> moving was a big problem.  This is because the steering mechanism would 
> turn all the way to the right or left, causing the bike to move and fall.   
>
> Perhaps the solution is to somehow lock the front wheel to the down tube. 
>  Quick search on the inter webs told me that there used to be something 
> called Flickstand.  It doesn't exist anymore.
>
> How do you folks deal with this situation?  Velcro the wheel to down tube 
> maybe?  Is there a better option?
>

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet in San Diego

['pb' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Nick, I happen to be in San Diego at the moment. Are you around tomorrow?

Peter

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[RBW] Re: FS: SaddleSack Large in Olive

[lyle lenkeit]

Nevermind my previous post.  After double checking, I realized it is the 
Medium size like Tom mentioned (good eye!).  

On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 12:42:36 PM UTC-8, Tom Wyland wrote:
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> The picture is a Saddlesack medium?  It's a really nice bag.
>

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[RBW] Re: S coupled Rivendell?

[eflayer]

why would you want to cut up, couple, and throw a gorgeous lugged Riv in a 
travel suitcase?

Doug Curtlo does custom coupled steel with single color powder at a great 
price. tigged or filleted with powder makes more sense for the utility of a 
travel bike.

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 5:06:15 PM UTC-8, Bob Lovejoy wrote:
>
> I am not claiming it to be a reasonable, recommended, or even worthwhile 
> choice, not even, but I have become curious...
>
> Has anyone had their Riv frame retrofitted with S couplers before taking 
> delivery, the same kind of scenario as someone having a frame repainted 
> before delivery?  I am curious if Rivendell has someone they work with on 
> such things and if anyone has had that done.  Certainly shipping the frame 
> off to Bilenky or someone would be an option but adds even more cost to 
> something already expensive.
>
> Anyway, just curious if anyone had gone that route directly through 
> Rivendell.  I might call them just to see but I know too they are busy, way 
> too busy for hypothetical, somewhat crazy, probably not going to happen, 
> questions.
>
> All help appreciated,
>
> Bob Lovejoy
> Galesburg, IL
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Very happy to hear the news!  They are a company that I want to see live long 
and prosper 

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[dougP]

Whew!  That was a close call.  Really glad the effort paid off, especially 
the doubling of the request.  An extra cash cushion is always a comfort.

dougP

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 4:38:03 PM UTC-8, Chris Birkenmaier 
wrote:
>
> I was just in Ri s website and saw their request for their loyal 
> supporters to purchase store credits of $10 units to help through a cash 
> flow jump. I promptly purchased some credits. I love this company and am 
> happy to help them out. Goodness knows I always find things I want to buy 
> from them. While I was doing this I also got an email with the request. 
>  I’d encourage you all to read your email or visit their website for 
> complete details 
> Chris 
> Who is getting a Roadini to add to the collection

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[RBW] Analog Cycles w(Right) stem write up

[Drw]

Hey James,
What are the (2?)bars you have mounted on these stems in your post? Also, I 
know you said without a front load, but what happens to handling with a front 
load?

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[RBW] Re: FS/T: Brooks Cambium C17, VO Porteur Chaincase

[Jeremy Till]

Trade is pending on the C17, the chaincase is still available.  

On Sunday, February 25, 2018 at 4:55:24 PM UTC-8, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> (x-post from iBOB, apologies to those seeing it twice)
>
> Two items for sale or trade.  Pictures are here 
> .  
>
>- Used Brooks C17 Cambium, black.  Bought used by me in September last 
>year, and ridden for a few months on my mountain bike (so I was standing 
> up 
>a lot). I've once again come to the conclusion that Brooks saddles don't 
>really work for my anatomy.  In very good shape, only signs of wear is 
> some 
>almost unnoticeable fraying around the edges of the saddle at its widest 
>point.  $75 shipped.  
>- Velo-Orange Porteur Chaincase.  These are no longer produced by VO, 
>but a local LBS had one in back stock that I bought impulsively as I was 
>building up a bike specifically for commuting 
>.  In the end I decided not to use it, so I 
>thought I'd make it available to the general public.  The perfect item to 
>finish off your constructeur city bike build, or maybe your Frank Jones 
>Sr?  $60 shipped.  Includes all hardware.
>
> I would entertain offers for trades, partial or whole.  Items I'm 
> interested in: 
>
>- WTB Pure V (aka "Pure") saddles, especially Team or Pro models, 
>especially ones lacking seams in the seating area and silly graphics.  
>- Good, fast, 700x28 tires, skinwall preferred.  Soma Supple Vitesse 
>or Panaracer Gravel King Slicks would be ideal.  
>- Good, fast, 700x38-42 tires, similar to above.  Soma SV, Panaracer 
>Gravel King, Compass Barlow Pass, etc.  Don't care about sidewall color on 
>this one.  
>- B Secula Plus for Fender, or other similarly modern LED fender 
>mounted tailight compatible with a Luxos U headlight.   
>
> I am located in Sacramento, CA.   
>

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[RBW] Analog Cycles w(Right) stem write up

[Daniel Jackson]

Sweet. Where in VT are you guys setting up shop?

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Austin]

It makes me think of the Bailey Building & Loan in It's a Wonderful Life 
when private citizens gathered to help keep them afloat. 

Less dramatic than the movies, but the Riv folks have touched many people's 
lives in a similarly positive way--so it's not surprising that everyone 
stepped up as they did.

I, for one, would do it again...

Austin

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[RBW] Re: S coupled Rivendell?

[Bob Lovejoy]

Hi Marc,

I had actually looked at the S site and saw that Rivendell was listed as 
an S builder.  The more I thought about it, the more it made sense as I 
know Waterford built bikes can be spec'ed with couplers and certainly the 
customs.

That said, the fine print in one of the charts said nothing about them 
doing retrofits, hence the extra research and all.  If I did do something 
like that, and I suspect I won't and certainly suspect I have no real need, 
but it would be a Hillborne (1TT).  With that, I figured that would be 
considered a retrofit.

http://www.sandsmachine.com/fbplist.htm

Anyway, thanks!  Always good to go to the source, in this case S, for 
good info.  I went there to search for S capable shops near Walnut Creek 
and there was Rivendell listed directly.  Yes!

Bob


On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 5:33:44 PM UTC-6, mlpessar wrote:
>
> Bob, S lists Rivendell on a list of frame builders that  install S 
> couplings. Check it out if you like: http://sandsmachine.com.
> -Marc
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Julian Westerhout]

It is indeed sobering. I read that and sent an email asking that they 
convert my credits to a donation to Riv. I value them highly and 
eliminating the minor future liability associated with my credits is a 
small way of saying thanks (and, selfishly, to help in a small way to 
ensure they'll still be making/selling things I want for many moons to 
come!). 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL




On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 6:39:10 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> "Four months from being gone." Sheesh! That's sobering. 

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

['mlpessar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Wonderful news! 

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[RBW] Re: Why we need to ride...

[Steve Butcher]

Yes, sometimes (many times, perhaps) my wife will ask, "are you going to go 
on a ride today?"  This is usually a sign that I really NEED to take a ride.

Steve Butcher
Stockton, Missouri

On Sunday, February 25, 2018 at 5:42:52 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> A common occurence in our wee hoosie... 
>
> “He needed a longer ride.” Simultanious sigh and shoulder shrug from me 
> wife and four lassies. 
>
> Sardonic grin. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Money for Rivendell

[Steve Butcher]

Well done, Karl!

Steve Butcher
Stockton, Missouri

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 9:08:06 PM UTC-6, Karl wrote:
>
> Sold! Thanks guys and gals!
>
> Karl
> Nashville, TN
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB or recommendations for SS/1x crankset, 650b tires

[Drw]

Thanks, I’m all set

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Reimagined

[Jon Dukeman]

Thanks to you too.
I enjoyed looking at the different components you used to create your work
of art.

On Feb 27, 2018 6:20 PM, "Tim Bantham"  wrote:

> Thanks Jon, your Sam is also a great looking bike and I also hope you
> enjoy many happy miles on it. See you on the IG.
>
> Tim
>
> On Sunday, February 25, 2018 at 11:14:05 AM UTC-5, Jon Dukeman,central
> Colorado wrote:
>>
>> Beautiful!
>> A perfect match of quality components.
>> You will get many enjoyable miles with your set-up.
>> Thanks for sharing..
>> Jon (looseheadset on IG)
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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Ash]

Phew!



On Tuesday, 27 February 2018 16:21:17 UTC-8, Ann L wrote:
>
> Check your emails.  It looks like we all made a difference :)
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne Reimagined

[Tim Bantham]

Thanks Jon, your Sam is also a great looking bike and I also hope you enjoy 
many happy miles on it. See you on the IG. 

Tim

On Sunday, February 25, 2018 at 11:14:05 AM UTC-5, Jon Dukeman,central 
Colorado wrote:
>
> Beautiful!
> A perfect match of quality components.
> You will get many enjoyable miles with your set-up.
> Thanks for sharing..
> Jon (looseheadset on IG)
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Doug H.]

Bill, Joe and others are Riv mvp customers. I do my small part but thanks to 
the long time loyal ones for being the heavy hitters. I enjoy the community 
here. 
Doug in Athens

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Great news!!!   





On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 6:38:03 PM UTC-6, Chris Birkenmaier 
wrote:
>
> I was just in Ri s website and saw their request for their loyal 
> supporters to purchase store credits of $10 units to help through a cash 
> flow jump. I promptly purchased some credits. I love this company and am 
> happy to help them out. Goodness knows I always find things I want to buy 
> from them. While I was doing this I also got an email with the request. 
>  I’d encourage you all to read your email or visit their website for 
> complete details 
> Chris 
> Who is getting a Roadini to add to the collection

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Joe Bernard]

"Four months from being gone." Sheesh! That's sobering. 

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Re: [RBW] How avoid sore throats from riding in cold weather?

[Deacon Patrick]

Bill, the quick answer is it matters, and exhaling through the nose as well as 
inhaling is the best way. The longer answer involves shedding too much CO2, 
leaving the blood low in CO2, which is required for proper gascious O2 exchange 
at a cellular level, which is why the body attempts to protect us from over 
breathing in the first place by constricting sinuses, bronchial tubes, etc. 
Buteyko breathing is a method to treat a lot of breathing disorders, including 
asthma.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Bill Lindsay]

It's on the BLUG also, for those who don't get the emails.  

On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 4:21:17 PM UTC-8, Ann L wrote:
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> Check your emails.  It looks like we all made a difference :)
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Leslie]

Really touching email.Wow..




On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 7:21:17 PM UTC-5, Ann L wrote:
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> Check your emails.  It looks like we all made a difference :)
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[BSWP]

Yowza! RBW FTW!!

On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 4:21:17 PM UTC-8, Ann L wrote:
>
> Check your emails.  It looks like we all made a difference :)
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

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Re: [RBW] How avoid sore throats from riding in cold weather?

[Bill Lindsay]

Deacon

I've started trying to breathe more through my nose.  I assume it doesn't 
matter whether I exhale through mouth or nose.  Is that right?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Sunday, February 25, 2018 at 3:09:52 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Persist with the nose breathing and you will be amazed. It addresses 
> everything you just described, much of which I had before I shifted to nose 
> breathing all the time, 24/7.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Homer Hilsen - 59cm

[Jonathan D.]

My experience with my Sam and Rambouillet would support this. The Ram is mostly 
Dura Ace with light wheels and feels sporty while the Sam is built to carry a 
load. For me a Sam with similar components would probably have a similar ride 
to my Ram. I think the Sam invites the rider to load it up with racks and gear 
where the Ram does not. I would love to build up a light Canti Sam one day. 

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[RBW] Re: S coupled Rivendell?

['mlpessar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bob, S lists Rivendell on a list of frame builders that  install S 
couplings. Check it out if you like: http://sandsmachine.com.
-Marc


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[RBW] Re: How avoid sore throats from riding in cold weather?

[Patrick Moore]

During the ongoing battle against sore-throatness ...

I came across many odd suggestions (those on the list weren't odd; those I
found online, samples below, often were).

Vick's Vaporub, fondly remembered from childhood. Rub on throat and bind
with scarf; sounds good to me, and I'll try it since I wear scarfs anyway.

But there's a weird subset of the VVR scheme: *eat* a bit of the stuff. No
thanks.

Tumeric!

Tumeric and ginger!

Urine therapy. (You look it up.)

I like this one, 'specially because the Orthodox church is in the middle of
Great Lent, when if I were really serious I'd eat nothing but boiled
vegetables and bread made with only wheat, water, yeast, and salt; and
drink only water. (I do try to go vegan for the 6 weeks, but booze is
vegan, in my book.)
Eat ice cream. Any kind of ice cream product is fine. The most effective
may be a milkshake. No magic principles here. The cold also soothes the
inflamed tissue, easing the pain. It's a great excuse to eat lots of ice
cream!

The current professional wisdom is that flu and colds are caused by viruses
and that exposure to cold and damp and so on makes no difference *in se*.
Bullsh*t. I believe that this is an instance of "science" seeing only what
it's blinkers allow it to see. At any rate, it does not correspond to my
own experience, or that of, apparently, centuries of others' experience,
which shows exposure to damp and cold leading to colds and flu. (I think
that a great deal of what is asserted as "science" is simply blinkered
conventional biases; but be that as it may. Read Kuhn, read Duhem, read
Eddington ("What my net cannot catch isn't fish"), and other intelligent
philosophers of science.)

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Jonathan D.]

Great news. I ordered a gift certificate on Wednesday and another one on 
Sunday.  Looked like about 5000 orders were placed in that time if the order 
numbers count up. 

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[RBW] Re: Custom frames sold out

[Eric]

A 9-month wait time for a stock frame might dissuade potential customers. 

Last time I talked with my Waterford dealer (I was looking at the T-14) and 
I was told it was like 2 month turn around.

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[RBW] Re: Ode to Grampa / My Atlantis

[ascpgh]

Without knowing your grandfather I have to say that when I received my 2001 
Rambouillet I had just moved to Pittsburgh and I feel like I've met your 
grandfather over and over since. RBW is certainly an antecedent of that 
mentality. 

Yesterday while out on a shopping excursion and first ride of the season 
with my new to town and urban biking protege, several people looked at my 
bike (not my Ram) and said, "it has been a messy winter". 

I'm teaching her about your grandfather without ever knowing him 
personally. 

Thanks for the viewpoint and pics, I get it.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 7:06:38 PM UTC-5, ant ritchey wrote:
>
> A bit of snow laid on down last night. Today's sun rose to reveal a good 
> bit still holding on. The day itself promised to be a fine one, perfect 
> even- sunny, crisp-cold...and no work!
>
> My grandfather was a boilermaker & steelworker in Pittsburgh, PA, my 
> homelands. Today is his birthday; the 15th we celebrate without him with us 
> here on Earth.  He's often a part of my thoughts while riding, but today is 
> special for obvious reasons. I mention this and him for this reason: So 
> much of what I think the general RBW school of thought embodies has a lot 
> to do, philosophically and/or historically, with strength and simplicity, 
> of both animate and not, and most certainly certain folk from his time; 
> tough as nails while still being as sweet as pie. I'm grateful for it, 
> grateful for it all. The bicycle has brought more good to my life than any 
> other non-living thing. RBW/Grant and everyone from this camp I've met 
> along the way are a benchmark of highest order & this bicycle, my '04 Toyo 
> Atlantis, is the functional symbol of it all & a reminder of these 
> coinciding legacies every single day of my life. He'd be proud of me and 
> all of us atop our cherished works of the steel stuffs.
>
> A guy walking his dog down the snowy path (presumably eyeing the big Wald) 
> jokes to me as I pass: "Man! You take your paper route seriously!"
>
> Enough with my run-on sentences. Without further ado, a few pics of a bike:
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/11axhHQ1gfvpA8BfxMlopjY3gvzgd9DJz?usp=sharing
>
> POST SCRIPT:
> -I thought I posted this a week ago today and here I stumble upon this 
> open tab and an unpublished draft!
> -Pics looked a lot lighter from my phone...now they appear somewhat dark 
> on my computer screen. Apologies if these look crappy! It's the 
> thought/homage that counts!
>
> -Ant Ritchey PDX OR
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[dougP]

Thanks for the update, Bill.  I got an e-mail today telling me "your order 
is shipped" for some stuff I bought during last week's flurry of activity.  
I hope that means they were so inundated with orders that it took a while 
to get them all out.  A Very Good Sign.  

dougP

On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 12:53:39 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> A couple people asked/speculated about outcomes and updates.  I don't have 
> anything specific about numbers or anything, but I did reach out to Dave to 
> see if there was anything else I could do for them.  He indicated that the 
> HailMary response was strong and that "Our immediate crisis is past"  
>
> So I can state with as much certainty as I care to muster that Riv 
> continues to plug along.  Maybe we'll see a BLUG this week stating 
> something to that effect.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 7:52:47 AM UTC-8, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone knew how things progressed over the weekend?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Well that is good to hear.  I hope things can get back into a normal keel 
for them.  I have a BS in Finance and also my MBA in Finance and I have no 
confidence that I could successfully run a business. (and I was a pretty 
good student).

On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 3:53:39 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> A couple people asked/speculated about outcomes and updates.  I don't have 
> anything specific about numbers or anything, but I did reach out to Dave to 
> see if there was anything else I could do for them.  He indicated that the 
> HailMary response was strong and that "Our immediate crisis is past"  
>
> So I can state with as much certainty as I care to muster that Riv 
> continues to plug along.  Maybe we'll see a BLUG this week stating 
> something to that effect.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 7:52:47 AM UTC-8, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone knew how things progressed over the weekend?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB or recommendations for SS/1x crankset, 650b tires

[masmojo]

Just about any old crankset will do.
Tires? WTB Horizons!

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[RBW] Re: Custom frames sold out

[Joe Bernard]

"Out of stock" takes away the ability to click and enter payment on a 
made-to-order frame. The message I get from this is that Riv is not taking 
deposits on customs, nor full payment on Hunqapillars. 

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Brian Campbell]

Thanks Bill. I hope confirmation from Riv comes soon. 

On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 3:53:39 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> A couple people asked/speculated about outcomes and updates.  I don't have 
> anything specific about numbers or anything, but I did reach out to Dave to 
> see if there was anything else I could do for them.  He indicated that the 
> HailMary response was strong and that "Our immediate crisis is past"  
>
> So I can state with as much certainty as I care to muster that Riv 
> continues to plug along.  Maybe we'll see a BLUG this week stating 
> something to that effect.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 7:52:47 AM UTC-8, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone knew how things progressed over the weekend?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Bill Lindsay]

A couple people asked/speculated about outcomes and updates.  I don't have 
anything specific about numbers or anything, but I did reach out to Dave to 
see if there was anything else I could do for them.  He indicated that the 
HailMary response was strong and that "Our immediate crisis is past"  

So I can state with as much certainty as I care to muster that Riv 
continues to plug along.  Maybe we'll see a BLUG this week stating 
something to that effect.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 7:52:47 AM UTC-8, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> I was wondering if anyone knew how things progressed over the weekend?
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: SaddleSack Large in Olive

[Tom Wyland]

The picture is a Saddlesack medium?  It's a really nice bag.

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Homer Hilsen - 59cm

[Bill Lindsay]

Part of it for me probably hinges on the fact that I'm a mechanic.  As a 
mechanic, the frame and the parts are the paints and the canvas, andthe 
frame.  As the mechanic, I'm the painter.  The build is the thing, to me.  
For exactly the same reason you said: "I wouldn't recommend getting a Sam 
thinking it's a Hilsen", I would say: "I wouldn't recommend putting racks 
and heavy tires on one bike thinking it's a sporty build".  You built your 
Sam not to be sporty, so it's not.  You built your Hilsen to be sporty, so 
it is.  If you flipped your intentions, I bet you would succeed.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA



On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 12:25:39 PM UTC-8, Dave Small wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> My comment reflected only my opinion that the models ride a little 
> differently.  I own both now, so like you I can directly compare them. 
>  There's not a *lot* of difference between them, but in general I find 
> the Hilsen to be a little sportier and a little more fun.  I have them set 
> up a little differently, with racks and wider-tougher tires on the Sam, so 
> that could contribute to the difference I feel but I don't think it 
> explains all of it.  I prefer the Hilsen for general fun-rides and take the 
> Sam for short tours, although both models could handle both tasks albeit 
> maybe just a little better or worse than the other, depending on the task. 
>  After my first ride on the Hilsen I told my wife that if I were ever 
> forced to trim to N=1, the Hilsen would be a strong contender to be that 
> one.  I've never felt that way about the Sam, but I guess I might if I 
> didn't have the Hilsen.  
>
> I remember a thread a few months back on the subject of Sam versus Homer, 
> with many posters reflecting your opinion and many others reflecting mine. 
>  It was interesting to watch that discussion develop since I had a definite 
> opinion and so many of the initial responders disagreed with it.  I think 
> it's safe to say that if there's a difference, it's not a big one.  
>
> Dave
>
> On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 1:03:53 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> Dave Small stated that he does not consider the Hillborne and the Hilsen 
>> functionally equivalent.  
>>
>> I respect that opinion but I respectfully disagree with it, as it applies 
>> to myself.  I owned them both, both at the same time.  I considered them 
>> functionally equivalent, so I sold the "expensive" one and kept the 
>> "inexpensive" one.  The inexpensive one (Hillborne) happened to have more 
>> natural versatility because it has cantilever brakes, and greater resulting 
>> clearances.  It is definitely possible that I don't have the sensitivity to 
>> detect the differences that others may detect.  The geometry is virtually 
>> identical so that contribution to "ride" should be identical.  I definitely 
>> did not possess the sensitivity to detect "planing" differences between my 
>> Hilsen and my Hillborne.  I rode the Hilsen a lot more than I rode the 
>> Hillborne, because, of course, it was the 'nicer' bike.  I detected no 
>> difference in the ride quality between the two.  Others more sensitive than 
>> me or who ride a lot more than me might detect something.  The Hilsen is 
>> certainly no worse than the Hillborne.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 9:17:32 AM UTC-8, Dave Small wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't consider these substitutable.  I mean, yeah, you can substitute 
>>> a Sam for a Homer, but they ride differently.  If I wanted a Hilsen, I'd 
>>> get a Hilsen.  I wouldn't recommend getting a Sam thinking it's a Hilsen.   
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 3:17:33 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 If I was in the market for a used 59cm Hilsen, I would give serious 
 consideration to a NEW 55cm canti-Hillborne.  
>
> Thanks!! 
>


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[RBW] Re: wtb: Homer Hilsen - 59cm

[Dave Small]

Hi Bill,

My comment reflected only my opinion that the models ride a little 
differently.  I own both now, so like you I can directly compare them. 
 There's not a *lot* of difference between them, but in general I find the 
Hilsen to be a little sportier and a little more fun.  I have them set up a 
little differently, with racks and wider-tougher tires on the Sam, so that 
could contribute to the difference I feel but I don't think it explains all 
of it.  I prefer the Hilsen for general fun-rides and take the Sam for 
short tours, although both models could handle both tasks albeit maybe just 
a little better or worse than the other, depending on the task.  After my 
first ride on the Hilsen I told my wife that if I were ever forced to trim 
to N=1, the Hilsen would be a strong contender to be that one.  I've never 
felt that way about the Sam, but I guess I might if I didn't have the 
Hilsen.  

I remember a thread a few months back on the subject of Sam versus Homer, 
with many posters reflecting your opinion and many others reflecting mine. 
 It was interesting to watch that discussion develop since I had a definite 
opinion and so many of the initial responders disagreed with it.  I think 
it's safe to say that if there's a difference, it's not a big one.  

Dave

On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 1:03:53 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Dave Small stated that he does not consider the Hillborne and the Hilsen 
> functionally equivalent.  
>
> I respect that opinion but I respectfully disagree with it, as it applies 
> to myself.  I owned them both, both at the same time.  I considered them 
> functionally equivalent, so I sold the "expensive" one and kept the 
> "inexpensive" one.  The inexpensive one (Hillborne) happened to have more 
> natural versatility because it has cantilever brakes, and greater resulting 
> clearances.  It is definitely possible that I don't have the sensitivity to 
> detect the differences that others may detect.  The geometry is virtually 
> identical so that contribution to "ride" should be identical.  I definitely 
> did not possess the sensitivity to detect "planing" differences between my 
> Hilsen and my Hillborne.  I rode the Hilsen a lot more than I rode the 
> Hillborne, because, of course, it was the 'nicer' bike.  I detected no 
> difference in the ride quality between the two.  Others more sensitive than 
> me or who ride a lot more than me might detect something.  The Hilsen is 
> certainly no worse than the Hillborne.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 9:17:32 AM UTC-8, Dave Small wrote:
>>
>> I don't consider these substitutable.  I mean, yeah, you can substitute a 
>> Sam for a Homer, but they ride differently.  If I wanted a Hilsen, I'd get 
>> a Hilsen.  I wouldn't recommend getting a Sam thinking it's a Hilsen.
>>
>> On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 3:17:33 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> If I was in the market for a used 59cm Hilsen, I would give serious 
>>> consideration to a NEW 55cm canti-Hillborne.  

 Thanks!! 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Analog Cycles w(Right) stem write up

[James / Analog Cycles]

Made a presale page on our website.  There are about 8 of these left, in 
various configurations. 
 https://www.analogcycles.com/product/analog-wright-stem-presale/ 


There's the original write up there, and the info on lead times and 
finishes.  

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 6:30:25 PM UTC-5, James / Analog Cycles 
wrote:
>
> Hey Gang, James from Analog Cycles, formerly the Co-Owner at Gravel & 
> Grind here.  We have some interesting projects in the works that are highly 
> Riv oriented.  Hope you'll take the time to check them out.  Also: for 
> right now, we're the DC area Rivendell dealer.  Wanna get a Riv?  We'll set 
> you up.  We have a few Chev frames and Roadini frames in stock, and we can 
> get ya whatever Rivendell has, and save you the shipping + help with build 
> outs and fitting.  In late spring, we're moving Analog to Vermont, but 
> we're in Frederick for a few more months!
>
>
> We have a new entry up on the Analog journal: w(Right) Stem Write Up  
> which details our recent stem project.
>
>
> 
>
>
> It's about super short reach stems, the benefits, the history and the 
> future.  We've been riding the prototypes for a while, but they're about to 
> go into low scale production.  Check it out when ya get a sec. 
>

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[RBW] FS: Compass Maes Parallel Drop Handlebar 46cm

[Paul G]

Folks,

I have a 46cm Compass Maes Parallel drop handlebar that didn't work out for 
me. 25.4 center bulge for stem clamp.

I mounted the bar in a Nitto quill stem with some non-aero brake levers to 
test it out for a handful of rides under 10 miles, all on the road. The bar 
has not had any bar tape or cable tape adhered to it.

There are no discernible scratches or marks except where the stem connects 
with the bar at the center bulge. The scratches are from using Nitto 25.4 
to 26.0 shims. They are on the surface only and could possible be polished 
out since these bars have a bare polished surface unlike Rivendell's satin 
finish on their Nitto bars. Some of these scratches are visible just beyond 
the edge of the stem (maybe an 1/8" past the stem on either side) but most 
of them are to the rear of the bar (facing the rider) and are barely 
visible for the most part. The bar is, otherwise, in excellent condition.

$100 including shipping.

Regards,
Paul


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[RBW] Re: Custom frames sold out

[Michael, SF/CA]

I actually found it odd that the frames appeared to be "In Stock" since I 
knew the made-to-order frames weren't actually sitting in Walnut Creek. 
With the change in optics, I would now hope that the 63 Roadeo is on a hook 
in their warehouse, and if I were to put the comically-large-for-me frame 
in my cart and pay up, I could then hop on BART and pick it up much sooner 
than many months later. I do agree that some copy change would make things 
crystal clear, but at least this way nobody has the affordance to pull the 
trigger on a frame they (somehow) don't realize is 9 months out.

FWIW, Rivendell took my deposit on a Waterford canti-Hilsen on Jan 31. 
Expected turnaround on the Hilsen holds at 6-9 months, OK by me as I have a 
continuous stream of life stuff to distract me in the next few months. 

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 5:32:01 PM UTC-8, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:
>
> Been visiting the Riv website often with the recent shopping initiative 
> and noticed that custom frames are listed as sold out. Saw this a few days 
> back so it’s not new. Any reason why a custom could not be ordered via the 
> site or am I missing something?  As an aside I wasn’t looking to order a 
> custom - simply noticed it

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[RBW] Re: Custom frames sold out

[Jonathan D.]

I suspect as I think Bill alludes to, that Rivendell is in a unique position 
because of the number of employees and diverse
product selection compared to a complaint like BMC.  Maintaining payroll for 13 
employees must strain cash flow whereas some of the competitors don’t have that 
pressure. 

I assume the custom frames would be low risk in terms of cash flow however 
since customers provide the upfront deposit. 

I am hoping to hear an update soon on the Hail Mary. 

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[RBW] Re: Custom frames sold out

[Bill Lindsay]

There is no question that building bikes in batches brings the price down 
and ties up cash in inventory.  The easy thing to do in theory that is hard 
in practice, is to have a good solid number that represents your absolute 
max possible inventory in dollars.  For the sake of argument, let's say 
that number is 1 million dollars.  Any small business that thinks their MAX 
inventory might be $1M, needs to keep enough cash on-hand such that their 
Current Inventory + Current Cash >= $1M.  That way, no matter what you need 
to buy, no matter what bills need to be paid, you'll have the cash on hand 
to do it.  This means you have to have a good ceiling number, you have to 
have the disciplne to gather and maintain that right amount of cash on 
hand, and you have to have the discipline to never violate your ceiling 
number.  The bigger the business, the harder that is.  A tiny operation 
like Black Mountain Cycles does a good job of that.  Mike brings in a batch 
of frames when he needs them, and always has the cash on hand to pay for 
them.  He's got a good number, and good discipline, and never scrambles, 
but he also only has two models of frame.  OK 2.5 models, but soon to be 
4.5 models.  More importantly, he has one employee, himself. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA



On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 10:33:05 AM UTC-8, Eric wrote:
>
> I was surprised to hear about the long wait time w/ Waterford. 
>
> I do recall Box Dog Bikes had a successful partnership with Winter 
> Bicycles to do batches of the Pelican.
>
> Would some sort of arrangement with other builders be beneficial for Riv? 
>

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[RBW] Re: Custom frames sold out

[Joe Bernard]

My sense - just a sense, I have no inside info - is Riv kinda over the whole 
custom-and-Waterford thing, and would rather design, order and sell the 
lower-cost Taiwan bikes. 

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[RBW] FS: SaddleSack Large in Olive

[lyle lenkeit]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwG0Lpx8P632RGpvMWhhWlJiQ3BhTkt2UzRHVUtuNnJSZWc0/view?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwG0Lpx8P632Mnk4Mmk4dGhXVGpLVHRUVmMwdEFhRDRDNlBR/view?usp=sharing

A few years old and pretty lightly used...nicely broken in.

$150 shipped or $125 picked up in SF (Inner Richmond or North Beach).

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[RBW] Re: Custom frames sold out

[Eric]

I was surprised to hear about the long wait time w/ Waterford. 

I do recall Box Dog Bikes had a successful partnership with Winter Bicycles 
to do batches of the Pelican.

Would some sort of arrangement with other builders be beneficial for Riv? 

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[RBW] Re: FS-Joe Appaloosa

[tc]

I wish someone would hurry up and buy this awesome bike that happens to fit me 
but I can’t afford — Please!

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Homer Hilsen - 59cm

[Bill Lindsay]

Dave Small stated that he does not consider the Hillborne and the Hilsen 
functionally equivalent.  

I respect that opinion but I respectfully disagree with it, as it applies 
to myself.  I owned them both, both at the same time.  I considered them 
functionally equivalent, so I sold the "expensive" one and kept the 
"inexpensive" one.  The inexpensive one (Hillborne) happened to have more 
natural versatility because it has cantilever brakes, and greater resulting 
clearances.  It is definitely possible that I don't have the sensitivity to 
detect the differences that others may detect.  The geometry is virtually 
identical so that contribution to "ride" should be identical.  I definitely 
did not possess the sensitivity to detect "planing" differences between my 
Hilsen and my Hillborne.  I rode the Hilsen a lot more than I rode the 
Hillborne, because, of course, it was the 'nicer' bike.  I detected no 
difference in the ride quality between the two.  Others more sensitive than 
me or who ride a lot more than me might detect something.  The Hilsen is 
certainly no worse than the Hillborne.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 9:17:32 AM UTC-8, Dave Small wrote:
>
> I don't consider these substitutable.  I mean, yeah, you can substitute a 
> Sam for a Homer, but they ride differently.  If I wanted a Hilsen, I'd get 
> a Hilsen.  I wouldn't recommend getting a Sam thinking it's a Hilsen.
>
> On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 3:17:33 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> If I was in the market for a used 59cm Hilsen, I would give serious 
>> consideration to a NEW 55cm canti-Hillborne.  
>>>
>>> Thanks!! 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: wtb: Homer Hilsen - 59cm

[Dave Small]

I don't consider these substitutable.  I mean, yeah, you can substitute a 
Sam for a Homer, but they ride differently.  If I wanted a Hilsen, I'd get 
a Hilsen.  I wouldn't recommend getting a Sam thinking it's a Hilsen.

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 3:17:33 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> If I was in the market for a used 59cm Hilsen, I would give serious 
> consideration to a NEW 55cm canti-Hillborne.  
>>
>> Thanks!! 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Riv request for store credits

[Steve Rader]

I bought $20 worth, thinking of gifting them to a friend in hopes that RBW 
gets a new customer.

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 7:38:03 PM UTC-5, Chris Birkenmaier 
wrote:
>
> I was just in Ri s website and saw their request for their loyal 
> supporters to purchase store credits of $10 units to help through a cash 
> flow jump. I promptly purchased some credits. I love this company and am 
> happy to help them out. Goodness knows I always find things I want to buy 
> from them. While I was doing this I also got an email with the request. 
>  I’d encourage you all to read your email or visit their website for 
> complete details 
> Chris 
> Who is getting a Roadini to add to the collection

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[RBW] Re: Analog Cycles w(Right) stem write up

[James / Analog Cycles]

Indeed.  It really opens up lots of options!  

-James

On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 10:23:32 AM UTC-5, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
> Awesome. I was looking at Peter Verdone’s “hybrid” designs, and realized 
> with long reach drop bars, you could run a reversed stem with negative 
> reach, and still get your hands in a good spot on the hoods or drops. 
>
> Philip 
> Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Re: Analog Cycles w(Right) stem write up

[James / Analog Cycles]

Hey Brian, I just posted more details a bit higher in the thread, in reply 
to Stephen.  Give a shout if we can set you up with one!   This is perfect 
for dirt drop conversions on old mtn bikes.  We're going to be doing a MB1 
conversion soon.  I kinda hate threadless adaptors.  Think they look 
terrible, and only Nitto, IMO, makes a beefy enough one for off road use.  
If you are riding a 65 Clem, you need leather bars!  

Best,

James


On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 6:29:05 AM UTC-5, Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
>
> Hi James,  thanks for sharing, I really enjoyed your write up and honestly 
> your timing of this could not have been better... I kid you not when I say 
> that I just recently imagined whether a zero reach quill stem with counter 
> sunk quill bolt and pop top/removable faceplate stem existed or could 
> exist.  So happy to see this in the works!!! This thought came on the heels 
> of wanting a more elegant solution for converting an old rigid mtb for drop 
> bar use vs a Soma threadless adapter and 30-40 mm threadless stem after 
> finding my dirt drop stem was still a little too long of a reach for wide 
> drops.  The 26.0 version should even allow me to try those wide Crust bars 
> on my 65cm Clem! 
>
> Brian Cole
> Lawrenceville NJ
>

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[RBW] Re: Analog Cycles w(Right) stem write up

[James / Analog Cycles]

Stoked to have ya on board, Tony!  

On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 9:49:45 PM UTC-5, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> I'm looking forward to being with early adopter on the zero stem for my 
> Saluki!  Discussing bike fit on Riv style bikes with James is enlightening. 
>  We'll see where it goes and I'll share some pictures and impressions once 
> it gets in.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Analog Cycles w(Right) stem write up

[James / Analog Cycles]

Hey Ben,

Unless you are really tall with ultra broad shoulders, the Leather bar is a 
bit much.  It's also not heat treated, so it's a big flexy bar that's not 
safe for off road riding!  All that said, a set of Woodchippers would be 
great on the SG, with a 0mm stem.  The bike has a long TT, and this would 
work really well.  The threadless stems are maybe 2 months out, so not too 
far.  

I put a leather bar on my Hunq, with a super short stem, and took it off 
after one ride.  It was great on the tops, but the hoods were insanely far 
apart, and it was shoulder pain city!  Holler about any of the stems you 
might want!  I just posted a reply to Stephen about the quill options, so 
check that out when you get a chance.  

Best

-James


On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 7:22:09 PM UTC-5, Ben Miller wrote:
>
> James,
>
> Cool (w)rite up man. I like the history and thought that went into them. 
> Might take a bit getting used to the stubby look, but it does have a 
> certain appeal to it. And, I love that it's a removable faceplate. To me 
> this is the single biggest drawback to quill stems and why??? (I know some 
> other quill stems are made with faceplates, but don't look that nice...)
>
> I might have to take some measurements and see if they'd work with any of 
> my current bikes. Although I think the Crust Scapegoat that you guys built 
> for me would totally work, if I can ever get my hands on a set of 
> Bene's/Crust's Leather bars. Maybe the threadless version will be out by 
> the time they release the next version of the leather bars!
>
> Also, sorry to hear that you guys are leaving MD, but stoked you're going 
> to my home state of VT! Best of luck with the move!
>
> Ben
>
> On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 3:30:25 PM UTC-8, James / Analog Cycles 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Gang, James from Analog Cycles, formerly the Co-Owner at Gravel & 
>> Grind here.  We have some interesting projects in the works that are highly 
>> Riv oriented.  Hope you'll take the time to check them out.  Also: for 
>> right now, we're the DC area Rivendell dealer.  Wanna get a Riv?  We'll set 
>> you up.  We have a few Chev frames and Roadini frames in stock, and we can 
>> get ya whatever Rivendell has, and save you the shipping + help with build 
>> outs and fitting.  In late spring, we're moving Analog to Vermont, but 
>> we're in Frederick for a few more months!
>>
>>
>> We have a new entry up on the Analog journal: w(Right) Stem Write Up  
>> which details our recent stem project.
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> It's about super short reach stems, the benefits, the history and the 
>> future.  We've been riding the prototypes for a while, but they're about to 
>> go into low scale production.  Check it out when ya get a sec. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Analog Cycles w(Right) stem write up

[James / Analog Cycles]

Hi Stephen, 

They're in production right now.  We have already have had a bunch of 
inquiries, and a few preorders, so we're setting up a presale.  Lead time 
is roughly 5 weeks.  That's an ETA, not a promise date!  

Here's the details:  

Analog has a few stems currently in the works, with more to come if demand 
is there.  

The w(Right) stem is offered in either raw or with a phosphoric acid 
pretreatment and then a rust inhibiting clear coat.  The raw stem (you 
could finish it yourself, or let it patina) is $140.  The Clear Coat stem 
is $185.  The clear coat will be done in house, carefully, but all clear 
coats will eventually get spider rust under them.  Not a bad thing, but be 
aware.  If you want it to never rust, get it powder coated.  

The stem has a 225mm quill length, a Nitto wedge and quill bolt, and 
stainless M6 bolts for the faceplate.  It's Fillet Brazed in LA, and it's 
made of Chromoly.  With the clear finish, we'll mask the stem 1cm higher 
than the Minimum insertion line, and spray only the exposed part.  All that 
said, you could adjust the height yourself, by masking the stem and lightly 
sanding off the clear coat, to get the stem lower.  
  
Lead time is about 4 weeks for stem brazing production to finish.  Once we 
have them in hand, we'll finish them and ship them out within a week.  
Shipping will be under 10 bucks if it's with in the continental US.  

We need a non-refundable deposit of 80 bucks to get one reserved, and once 
the stems land at our shop, the balance is due.  That should be roughly at 
the end of March, or early April.

Let me know if you'd like to get on the list.  

*Please specify what options you would like*.  If you need help dialing the 
fit, or figuring out bars to go with the stem, we're happy to help with all 
of that.  Enlightened fitting is our whole reason for existing!  We can do 
remote refits, and have lots of experience doing so.  For the record, if 
you want lower gearing on your bike, that's another specialty of ours.  
Look for an update on our Turkey Vulture gearing soon!  

*Options:   26mm or 31.8 handlebar clamp.   Clear coat or raw finish.  0mm 
extension or 30mm extension.  *

If you are interested, email me and we'll get ya set up.  
analogcyc...@gmail.com

-James


On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 7:09:47 PM UTC-5, Stephen W. wrote:
>
> Excellent. I've been pondering putting drop bars on my Hunqapillar...this 
> seems to fit that situation. When will they be available?
>
> Best,
>
> Stephen 
>
>

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[RBW] Analog Cycles w(Right) stem write up

[Philip Williamson]

Awesome. I was looking at Peter Verdone’s “hybrid” designs, and realized with 
long reach drop bars, you could run a reversed stem with negative reach, and 
still get your hands in a good spot on the hoods or drops. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Re: Un-Un-Racing update: A Race!

[Bob Lovejoy]

Excellent!!  That is so cool that the kids are doing so well, especially up 
against the sheer larger numbers of riders, and experienced numbers at 
that.  Kids are the biggest and most important deal in the whole world and 
it is great to hear of them signing up, showing up, and doing the work... 
not to mention having fun and growing all at the same time.  Very cool...

And, yes, your tool board is indeed epic! 

Here's to a great race and riding season... for all!

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: San Francisco/Walnut Creek Trip Report

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I made my first trip to HQ last June. Simply wonderful. I met almost everyone. 
Grant was incredibly gracious. Vince, Jenny and Will all talked and showed me 
around. I had Pho at the noodle joint next door and got to ride in Shell Ridge. 
Great visit!

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[RBW] Ode to Grampa / My Atlantis

[RichS]

Straight from the heart. So thoughtful.
Thank you for your post.

Best,
Richard

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[RBW] Re: Custom frames sold out

[Leslie]

The Roadeo only has a 63 in stock, it looks like;  otherwise, the rest of 
the Roadeo sizes, the Atlantis, A Homer Hilsen, and the Hunqapillar are all 
shown w/ 5 or 6 to a 9-month wait time.  I'd not thought about the True 
Temper side of things, since the Silver tubing should be coming into play, 
but, that may be part of the holdup...   they may be considering seeing if 
Toyo might come back into sourcing, or maybe getting Mark Nobilette to 
build them as needed, though that'd be competing against their customs, 
too.   I don't know any of that, no insider info, just hypothesizing out 
loud...  


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[RBW] Ode to Grampa / My Atlantis

[Deacon Patrick]

Wondrous beauty that is tough as nails and sweet as pie. Thank you.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Custom frames sold out

[Belopsky]

This is possible. TrueTemper is long gone IMO. I don't think my Gunnar 
crosshairs has a single tube of TrueTemper

On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 1:09:49 AM UTC-5, Drw wrote:
>
> I feel like they said they weren’t doing Waterford made to order bikes for 
> a while due to true temper discontinuing their bike tubing and long wait 
> times at Waterford. I could be wrong. 

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[RBW] Analog Cycles w(Right) stem write up

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Hi James,  thanks for sharing, I really enjoyed your write up and honestly your 
timing of this could not have been better... I kid you not when I say that I 
just recently imagined whether a zero reach quill stem with counter sunk quill 
bolt and pop top/removable faceplate stem existed or could exist.  So happy 
to see this in the works!!! This thought came on the heels of wanting a more 
elegant solution for converting an old rigid mtb for drop bar use vs a Soma 
threadless adapter and 30-40 mm threadless stem after finding my dirt drop stem 
was still a little too long of a reach for wide drops.  The 26.0 version should 
even allow me to try those wide Crust bars on my 65cm Clem! 

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville NJ

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[RBW] Re: FS - Paul SS wheels, Tires, e-lever, Phil BB, Silca floor pump etc

[MartyG]

Thanks to all the buyers, here's my updated list:


Paul e-lever. Polished. $30 shipped.
>>> Rhode Gear mirror - the cool one everyone wants for old school drop 
>>> bars/levers. $25 shipped
>>> Roc Shox 27.2 seatpost. $15 shipped. 
>>> Ritchey 120mm threadless stem. 10 degrees rise or so, but can be used 
>>> both ways. $15 shipped. 
>>> Dia Compe brake levers. Old school full-fist-o-fingers type. $15 
>>> shipped. 
>>> Zefal HP frame pump. Silver. 19" uncompressed end to end. 18.25 
>>> compressed. $15 shipped. 
>>>
>>> Pics here:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/32306142@N07/albums/72157664127030287/with/39603114785/
>>>
>>> Bundle offers welcome. Thanks for looking. 
>>>
>>> Marty
>>>
>>>
>>>

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