[RBW] Smooth Factor of lighter rim brake steel forks

[Deacon Patrick]

Rare air and a thesarus. Grin.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Wrenchin' and waitin'

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. the in-body-of-email icons are still blank, but if you click on
them you get the photos.

Interesting bike. I think it is asking for fatter tires, no?

Chauncey Mathews built my "road bike for dirt" with such a high head tube
that I need a -17* road (or cyclocross) stem to get the bar a wee bit below
saddle; if I wanted it as low as on my road bikes, I'd need a track stem!

And I strongly counsel

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>> Photos not showing up! Crisis! We want to see them?
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Re: [RBW] Wrenchin' and waitin'

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I changed some settings, so it should work now.

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[RBW] New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Jonathan D.]

How does the ride compare to your other Riv bikes or the BMC Road?  I would be 
curious where you would place it in the lineup. Great looking bike and build. 

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[RBW] ISO Phil 127.5 mm bb assembly

[Patrick Moore]

Would like one that is pretty much as new. I ordered a 130 when I installed
the Logic, and it turns out there are a few mm of Q to be salvaged by
getting the left arm a few mm closer to the stay.

Phil will sell me a new 127.5 for $165, or replace the 130 spindle proper
with a 127.5 for $87.50, plus 2-way postage, but I thought I'd check onlist
first.

Thanks.

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[RBW] ISO: 42-tooth, plain vanilla SILVER 110 bcd ring, no ramps, pins or other stuff

[Patrick Moore]

Plane Jane Sugino preferred. New or pretty much as new. Can trade vg black
made in USA Vuelta ring (well, black except for teeth proper, which are
silver), or trade st else, or grudgingly offer cash.

The Vuelta is on the Matthews and is pretty much as new.

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[RBW] Re: Leaning into the Ides of March

[Lum Gim Fong]

Looks good for wind blocking shoulders, too. Another area that complains when I 
descend in the cold.

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[RBW] New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Bill Lindsay]

This Boxcar Stem is tons stiffer than any hanger. That’s for sure. A good 
hanger like a Paul Funky Monkey is much nicer than low end hangers. I did it 
just to be trick. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca 

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[RBW] Smooth Factor of lighter rim brake steel forks

[Lum Gim Fong]

Wait a second...
“Compliant” ?!?!?!And in another thread today: “power transfer”?!?!?
What are these strange words coming out of them thar hills!!!  

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Re: [RBW] Wrenchin' and waitin'

[J Imler]

It's loading on all my tech but very slowly. Note sure why.

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[RBW] New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Lum Gim Fong]

I like the drilled stem approach. Very cool!
Any noticeable diffs in braking with stem drilled vs. headset hanger vs. fork 
crown hanger? I don’t like the looks of hangers, but too chicken to drill a 
stem.

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Re: [RBW] Wrenchin' and waitin'

[Patrick Moore]

Photos not showing up! Crisis! We want to see them?

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[RBW] Wrenchin' and waitin'

[J Imler]

Hi all, I spent the last couple days tweaking my Brodie w/ much Rivendell 
bits. Check it out if you'd like 
- 
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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Philip Williamson]

Rat Trap Pass. It’s what I’ve got on the bike, and no time to swap for whatever 
nasty old knobbies I have in the shed. 

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[RBW] New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[tc]

Really nice, Bill. The tucked up rear reminds me of the Karate Monkey. Should 
be quite nimble!

Congrats,
Tom

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis fork axle to crown

[dougP]

Would wheel size make a difference?  56 cm & smaller are 26".  58 cm & 
larger are 700c.  Some current models also come in 650b.  

dougP

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> Hey there group,  specifically Atlantis owners, would a couple of you be 
> able to take measurements of the axle to criwn length on your Atlantis 
> forks?   Im sure they are going to differ slightly because of all the 
> different versions over the years.   Thank you!!   -Mike

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Bill Lindsay]

Igor asked what it weighs

24.3 pounds with wire bead tires and with tubes. Figure 22.5 pounds with light 
tires and tubeless. 

Bill Lindsay
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bill Lindsay wrote: * It's terrific.  Actually it rides like a Rivendell, 
as far as I can tell. *

It's all in the twine.

I like the earthy vibe with the brown wrap and green frame. I did something 
along those lines with my L'Avecaise:


 


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Re: [RBW] Atlantis fork axle to crown

[Mike Williams]

Both would be great!  Thanks René

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> Do you want a straIght line measurement or along the fork?
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>> forks?   Im sure they are going to differ slightly because of all the 
>> different versions over the years.   Thank you!!   -Mike
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[RBW] Re: Yakima-Pendleton

[RonaTD]

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 8:29:10 PM UTC-5, David Podboy wrote:
> I used to ride with this group when I lived out there: 
> http://drrando.blogspot.com.


Great resource - thanks!!

td

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Belopsky]

Lovely.

What does it weigh? :p

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Re: [RBW] Atlantis fork axle to crown

[René Sterental]

Do you want a straIght line measurement or along the fork?

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 3:04 PM  wrote:

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Bill Lindsay]

Yes, I voided my warranty by drilling out a brand new $125 stem.  The 
Horror!  :-)

Now it's freshly soiled with a smattering of East Bay Mud.  It's terrific.  
Actually it rides like a Rivendell, as far as I can tell.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 5:13:07 PM UTC-7, stoker wrote:
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> Great build! I purchased the same frame  - I’m expecting it to arrive 
> Saturday. ‘Modified Boxcar Stem’ - I assume you drilled it to accept the 
> cable/housing?

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[RBW] Re: Anyone want to do a Blue lug order?

['Gunner' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Conway

I would be interested in in a 6-10 spacers depending on color availability 
and on negotiated price.

Thanks for your efforts

Gunner 

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 11:19:10 AM UTC-4, Conway Bennett wrote:
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> I bought some works bars and an assortment of colored headset spacers.  I 
> was impressed with the spacers and want more but can't just the shipping. 
>  If I buy a bunch of spacers would people want some and I'll sell them for 
> what blue lug does plus a fair shipping charge conus?  Or, I can do a 
> bigger order and send you your stuff.
>
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> Fair winds,
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[RBW] Re: Yakima-Pendleton

[David Podboy]

I used to ride with this group when I lived out 
there: http://drrando.blogspot.com. The linked Ride With GPS accounts in 
the blog also have some routes. The distances might be long, but hopefully 
it will help with route planning.

David

On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 7:29:57 PM UTC-7, RonaTD wrote:
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> Hi RBW folks - 
>
> Anyone have favorite roads to ride between Yakima WA and Pendleton OR? 
>
> Ted Durant 
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[RBW] Smooth Factor of lighter rim brake steel forks

[Deacon Patrick]

Today’s ride, like many of mine, is roughly equal parts paved, dirt, and trail. 
Compass tires cush the whole ride, but the front fork absorbs a lot of the 
bigger bumps on dirt and trail. I’ve noticed this for a while, but on the (now 
really bad) wash board dirt road sections, the fork is compliant and absorbing. 
This led me to ponder a number of questions I toss out to see where they go...

— Would a stiffer (because they have to be) disk brake fork absorb as much? 
— How much of the “required” mindset for shock absorption on gravel and MTB 
bikes is the result of disk brakes requiring a stiffer fork? (I suspect 
marketing and “latest gen tech” mentality is likely the biggest factor).

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Deacon Patrick]

Great point, Jeremy. When I called my LBS to ask about 650b wheels for my 
wife’s Clementine build, the owner, who started the shop 25 years ago, was at 
first baffled by the rim brake rim request. When he called me back, Velocity 
build, for nearly twice what Rivendell was selling the same build. This 
deserves a new thread, but I was struck today by how much rough stuff 
absorbtion happens through the fork, and it’s hard to picture that happening as 
well through a beefy disk brake fork.

With abandon,
Patrick  

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Jeremy Till]

Great build! I would contend that in this day and age, any new 
multi-surface bike that doesn't use disc brakes owes something to 
Rivendell, since they are some of the last holdouts supporting rim brakes 
with plump tires.  

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 2:34:24 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> It's a stretch for Riv-content here, but I promise there is some.  The 
> obvious Riv content is limited to hemp twine, Newbaums bar tape, components 
> from White Industries and Paul, who are Riv vendors.  I bought the CX70 
> front derailer and brakes from Riv.  The whole idea of a Monster Cross, or 
> more correctly a drop bar mountain bike, definitely have Rivendell's 
> fingerprints on it.  Anyway, here it is.
>
> 58cm Black Mountain Monster Cross
> Cane Creek 40 headset
> HED Belgium C2 Plus rims, Dura Ace hubs, Ultegra Skewers 10sp 12-30 
> Ultegra cassette.
> WTB Bronson 29x2.0 tires with tubes
> White Industries VBC 172.5mm cranks 42/26 rings
> Shimano SPD pedals
> CX70 front der 
> Ultegra rear der
> Shimano 10sp barcons on Paul Thumbies
> Paul Boxcar stem, modified cable stop
> Salsa Cowchipper bars
> SRAM S500 brakelevers
> Shimano CX70 brakes
> Niner Carbon seatpost
> Avocet O2 saddle
> Khaki Newbaums tape with amber shellac
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[stoker]

Great build! I purchased the same frame  - I’m expecting it to arrive Saturday. 
‘Modified Boxcar Stem’ - I assume you drilled it to accept the cable/housing?

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[RBW] New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Joe Bernard]

That's nifty. Love the color!

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[RBW] Re: Oops!... I Did It Again (eRiv)

[Deacon Patrick]

Right on, Joe!

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[RBW] Re: Oops!... I Did It Again (eRiv)

[Joe Bernard]

Au contraire, my friend, it's not a matter of need but want. I consider 
bicycles and ebikes to be separate experiences on the same road. They're both 
fun!

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Virgil Staphbeard]

Wow that looks great!

It sort of reminds me of my Piolet:




On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 5:34:24 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> It's a stretch for Riv-content here, but I promise there is some.  The 
> obvious Riv content is limited to hemp twine, Newbaums bar tape, components 
> from White Industries and Paul, who are Riv vendors.  I bought the CX70 
> front derailer and brakes from Riv.  The whole idea of a Monster Cross, or 
> more correctly a drop bar mountain bike, definitely have Rivendell's 
> fingerprints on it.  Anyway, here it is.
>
> 58cm Black Mountain Monster Cross
> Cane Creek 40 headset
> HED Belgium C2 Plus rims, Dura Ace hubs, Ultegra Skewers 10sp 12-30 
> Ultegra cassette.
> WTB Bronson 29x2.0 tires with tubes
> White Industries VBC 172.5mm cranks 42/26 rings
> Shimano SPD pedals
> CX70 front der 
> Ultegra rear der
> Shimano 10sp barcons on Paul Thumbies
> Paul Boxcar stem, modified cable stop
> Salsa Cowchipper bars
> SRAM S500 brakelevers
> Shimano CX70 brakes
> Niner Carbon seatpost
> Avocet O2 saddle
> Khaki Newbaums tape with amber shellac
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Deacon Patrick]

“They are cranks, RIDE!  Grin.”

Well, we both ought to be very scared, Bill, for we’re thinking alike. I came 
to the same conclusion. Great minds think alike, but so do mediocre ones. And 
only mediocre ones would take comfort in thinking alike. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Bill Lindsay]

The things I specifically like about the MR30 are:

they come in 172.5mm length (rare in 1x11 mountain cranks)
they look nice (especially with a silver ring and pink extractors)
White Industries is a generous sponsor of Norcal High School Mountain Bike 
Racing League
Black Mountain Cycles stocks them

I don't have answers to your other questions about 'stiffer' or 'greater 
power transfer'.  They are cranks, RIDE!  Grin.

Bill

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 3:13:02 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Great to hear, Bill. What specifically to you like about them? I’m 
> particularly interested how in the MR30 rides as an external bearing bb. Is 
> the stiffer noticable, and how? Does this translate to greater power 
> transfer to the drivetrain/frame? Or, like frame flex, do square taper bb’s 
> store and return the energy someway — afterall, it has to go somewhere. 
> Grin. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick (who bought Silver cranks instead of switching to MR30, but 
> remains MR30 curious)

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Deacon Patrick]

Great to hear, Bill. What specifically to you like about them? I’m particularly 
interested how in the MR30 rides as an external bearing bb. Is the stiffer 
noticable, and how? Does this translate to greater power transfer to the 
drivetrain/frame? Or, like frame flex, do square taper bb’s store and return 
the energy someway — afterall, it has to go somewhere. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick (who bought Silver cranks instead of switching to MR30, but remains 
MR30 curious)

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[RBW] Re: Leaning into the Ides of March

[Deacon Patrick]

Thanks, Erl. It’s Schaefer Ranchwear’s Mesquite Vest. I’ve personally proven it 
is barbwire and decomposed granite proof, as well as wind proof. It makes a 
great core wind blocker, which around here in sprink and autumn is key for 
managing warmth/moisture when idiototically climbing and descending. Doesn’t 
crinkle or make noise like nylon. I love it. 
https://www.schaefer-ranchwear.com/315-mesquite-vest.html

With abandon,
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[RBW] Atlantis fork axle to crown

[mkernanwilliams]

Hey there group,  specifically Atlantis owners, would a couple of you be able 
to take measurements of the axle to criwn length on your Atlantis forks?   Im 
sure they are going to differ slightly because of all the different versions 
over the years.   Thank you!!   -Mike

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[RBW] Re: Oops!... I Did It Again (eRiv)

[Deacon Patrick]

Time to get crankin’ on that duo speed so you no longer need the auxilery 
engines! Grin. Great looking bikes, especially the Pashley with the missing 
engine. Grin. The Cheveot has a large chainring — how’s it like hills? Enjoy 
the augmented ride!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Bill Lindsay]

I've used White Industries VBC cranks for many years.  They are great.  I 
picked up these VBC arms off the list when Mark Reiner sold them a while 
back.  I bought the 42/26 ring set last year from Black Mountain when I was 
ordering a MR30 crankset for my mountain bike.  That crankset was waiting 
patiently for a build opportunity.  

Bill

On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 2:56:37 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Where’s the bike? I see wheels, tires, cranks, handlebars, saddle, et all 
> ... but not frame. Just a bunch of grass. Really green grass. 
>
> Great build, Bill! How do you like the WI cranks? 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Deacon Patrick]

Where’s the bike? I see wheels, tires, cranks, handlebars, saddle, et all ... 
but not frame. Just a bunch of grass. Really green grass.

Great build, Bill! How do you like the WI cranks?

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

['pb' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bill,

I look forward to seeing pix.  Your appetite for bikes exceeds mine, 
although I announced I was at N+0 a year ago, and there's a new bike in the 
garage and another on the way, so I guess I was wrong.  

If you need a home for a 59 Black Mountain road, I suppose I'd like to know 
about it, although the frame on the way is intended to be similar for lots 
more money.  Hmmmn.  Maybe that was bad planning.  

Peter Bridge
Sebastopol 


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[RBW] New Bike Day! Black Mountain Monster Cross

[Bill Lindsay]

It's a stretch for Riv-content here, but I promise there is some.  The 
obvious Riv content is limited to hemp twine, Newbaums bar tape, components 
from White Industries and Paul, who are Riv vendors.  I bought the CX70 
front derailer and brakes from Riv.  The whole idea of a Monster Cross, or 
more correctly a drop bar mountain bike, definitely have Rivendell's 
fingerprints on it.  Anyway, here it is.

58cm Black Mountain Monster Cross
Cane Creek 40 headset
HED Belgium C2 Plus rims, Dura Ace hubs, Ultegra Skewers 10sp 12-30 Ultegra 
cassette.
WTB Bronson 29x2.0 tires with tubes
White Industries VBC 172.5mm cranks 42/26 rings
Shimano SPD pedals
CX70 front der 
Ultegra rear der
Shimano 10sp barcons on Paul Thumbies
Paul Boxcar stem, modified cable stop
Salsa Cowchipper bars
SRAM S500 brakelevers
Shimano CX70 brakes
Niner Carbon seatpost
Avocet O2 saddle
Khaki Newbaums tape with amber shellac

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA














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[RBW] Re: Oops!... I Did It Again (eRiv)

[WETH]

Joe,
That Cheviot is looking beautiful and as if it were made to fit that 
motor!  
Erl

On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 7:50:02 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Whelp, I wasn't going to do it then I did it. The first chink in the armor 
> was I bought Deacon Patrick's Bike Friday Haul-a-Day and put a kit on it. 
> It's a great grocery hauler and a good platform for the juice, but as an 
> unloaded "just ride" bike it's a bit quirky. Every time I rode it I 
> couldn't help thinking "Man, this kit on my Cheviot would be great!" 
>
> Then I got to thinking about my Pashley Clubman road bike with Paul Racer 
> brakes. It's a great bike, but with the Chev as my "regular bike" I just 
> wasn't using the Pashley. So I ordered another mid-drive kit and got to 
> parts swapping. Now the Chev - with it's long wheelbase and excellent, 
> predictable handling - is my non-quirky "just ride" ebike, and the Pashley 
> got the Paul Melvin tensioner to match its brakes for a nice, light British 
> 2-speed with Albastache Bars, one Suntour bar-end and an old Mavic 
> derailer. 
>
> I did my first shakedown ride on eChev today (it's been raining, sorry for 
> the low-light pics) and hoo boy is it fun! Realistically it's overpowered 
> on full boost (the no warranty frame warranty is now definitely a no), but 
> I wouldn't ride something like this that way. With the Pedal Assist System 
> on a low setting it cruises along very nicely, like a Riv with a really 
> good tailwind. 
>
> This wasn't the original plan when I bought the frame, but I'm really 
> happy with how all three bikes have turned out now. Pics!
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/e3xXX701DfqcRihA3
>
> Joe Bernard
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Leaning into the Ides of March

[WETH]

Patrick,
Beautiful and inspirational as always. Thanks.
What can you share about the tan vest you are wearing in the photos?
Thanks,
Erl


On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 4:57:14 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> In which I ride out at 25˚F to and around part of Rampart Reservoir and 
> admire the snow on Pikes Peak and ride back down to where it’s 60˚F. Boiled 
> wool proved its worth, as ever. Grin.
>
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/leaning-into-the-ides-of-march 
> 
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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[RBW] Leaning into the Ides of March

[Deacon Patrick]

In which I ride out at 25˚F to and around part of Rampart Reservoir and admire 
the snow on Pikes Peak and ride back down to where it’s 60˚F. Boiled wool 
proved its worth, as ever. Grin.

https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/leaning-into-the-ides-of-march

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: What does a BMC Monstercross weigh?

[Bill Lindsay]

Still no photos, but all I have left to do is wrap the bars.  I will maybe 
start a new thread when the bars are wrapped.  I wanted to update this 
thread on the weight topic.  I cut the steertube down by 78g, and that 
leaves 10cm above my threadless stem at the max height I would want.  I may 
cut it again after some shake down rides.

The total weight came in at 24.3lbs. That doesn't mean a lot without a 
build list, which I'll post soon. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 10:31:33 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I finally bought a BMC Monstercross frameset.  Why?  Because it's dumb not 
> to buy one.  The only thing that had been stopping me was the horizontal 
> dropouts, because vertical dropouts are categorically better.  Since the 
> last time I decided horizontal dropouts were a dealkiller, I've acquired 4 
> bikes with horizontal dropouts, and guess what?  I didn't die.  Vertical 
> dropouts are better, but horizontals are not the end of the world.  The 
> BRIGHT green colorway of the latest batch made it irresistable.  So, new 
> bike day?  The build will be a drop bar mountain bike.  No racks, no 
> lights, no fenders.  It'll be used for 2-3 hour mountain bike rides. I'll 
> post photos when there is something to look at.  I have a couple small 
> details to iron out.  
>
> In the meantime, there have been a couple gram-counter threads recently, 
> and I thought I'd offer up another datapoint while I have a bare frame and 
> fork:
>
> A 58cm Black Mountain Monstercross frame, with Cane Creek 40 headset cups 
> pressed in, weighs 2257g
> The fork with a crown race installed and an uncut threadless steerer is 
> 1057g
>
> Use that data for whatever you like.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: Oops!... I Did It Again (eRiv)

[Ian A]

That is a nice derailleur!

On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 11:39:53 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Btw, check the rear derailer. That's a Precision Billet Pro-Shift made in 
> Santee, CA. during the CNC era about 20 years ago. I've had it for ages but 
> never have a black crank to match it with. The blocky, industrial look 
> actually goes real well with the look of the motor and CNCed black 
> chainwheel. Slick! I still have the box and sticker it came with..the maker 
> is still in Santee cranking out non-bikey stuff. 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/HiJ0ais1sh5h0Dww1
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: BB Spindle Length for Sam/RH Crank

[Michael Doleman]

I'm not too concerned about it. I'm very careful with installation of all 
parts, and I will likely use dust-caps, anyway. I've got some pretty nifty 
older ones.


On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 8:22:20 AM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:
>
> The chrome on the bolts shouldn't flake off. You need to tighten those 
> bolts quite hard to seat the cranks properly. If the chrome flakes off, 
> that is a manufacturing defect – probably a little cutting oil residue 
> coating the surface during the chroming bath – and we'll replace the bolts 
> under warranty.
>
> Jan Heine
> Founder
> Compass Cycles
> www.compasscycle.com
>
> On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 8:12 AM, lconley  
> wrote:
>
>> Be careful installing the RH crank bolts if you are using them, the 
>> chrome looks nice but can be thick (tight in the socket or crank tool), and 
>> is not of particularly high quality - flakes off easily.
>>
>> Laing
>> Cocoa FL
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 10:29:27 AM UTC-4, Michael Doleman wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the great response, I appreciate it. And for the record, 
>>> someone did get back to me yesterday, and I placed an order. I went ahead 
>>> and got the recommended 110mm spindle, which is what I'd suspected would be 
>>> correct.
>>>
>>> I feel pretty confident in my knowledge, most of the time, and -- as you 
>>> say -- that it's totally not rocket science. The variables are few and 
>>> quantities known. But then I start seeing all sorts of different 
>>> information and it introduces a bit of doubt in my mind -- and it's a lot 
>>> of money to spend, so I want to be sure I'm getting it right.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I'm sure the crank will be great; I'm really looking forward to 
>>> putting a lot of miles on it.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: BB Spindle Length for Sam/RH Crank

[Jan Heine]

The chrome on the bolts shouldn't flake off. You need to tighten those
bolts quite hard to seat the cranks properly. If the chrome flakes off,
that is a manufacturing defect – probably a little cutting oil residue
coating the surface during the chroming bath – and we'll replace the bolts
under warranty.

Jan Heine
Founder
Compass Cycles
www.compasscycle.com

On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 8:12 AM, lconley  wrote:

> Be careful installing the RH crank bolts if you are using them, the chrome
> looks nice but can be thick (tight in the socket or crank tool), and is not
> of particularly high quality - flakes off easily.
>
> Laing
> Cocoa FL
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 10:29:27 AM UTC-4, Michael Doleman wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the great response, I appreciate it. And for the record,
>> someone did get back to me yesterday, and I placed an order. I went ahead
>> and got the recommended 110mm spindle, which is what I'd suspected would be
>> correct.
>>
>> I feel pretty confident in my knowledge, most of the time, and -- as you
>> say -- that it's totally not rocket science. The variables are few and
>> quantities known. But then I start seeing all sorts of different
>> information and it introduces a bit of doubt in my mind -- and it's a lot
>> of money to spend, so I want to be sure I'm getting it right.
>>
>> Anyway, I'm sure the crank will be great; I'm really looking forward to
>> putting a lot of miles on it.
>>
>>
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[RBW] Anyone want to do a Blue lug order?

[Conway Bennett]

I bought some works bars and an assortment of colored headset spacers.  I was 
impressed with the spacers and want more but can't just the shipping.  If I buy 
a bunch of spacers would people want some and I'll sell them for what blue lug 
does plus a fair shipping charge conus?  Or, I can do a bigger order and send 
you your stuff.


Fair winds,

Captain Conway
www.ChicaGoByBoat.com
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[RBW] Re: BB Spindle Length for Sam/RH Crank

[lconley]

Be careful installing the RH crank bolts if you are using them, the chrome 
looks nice but can be thick (tight in the socket or crank tool), and is not 
of particularly high quality - flakes off easily.

Laing
Cocoa FL


On Wednesday, March 14, 2018 at 10:29:27 AM UTC-4, Michael Doleman wrote:

> Thanks for the great response, I appreciate it. And for the record, 
> someone did get back to me yesterday, and I placed an order. I went ahead 
> and got the recommended 110mm spindle, which is what I'd suspected would be 
> correct.
>
> I feel pretty confident in my knowledge, most of the time, and -- as you 
> say -- that it's totally not rocket science. The variables are few and 
> quantities known. But then I start seeing all sorts of different 
> information and it introduces a bit of doubt in my mind -- and it's a lot 
> of money to spend, so I want to be sure I'm getting it right.
>
> Anyway, I'm sure the crank will be great; I'm really looking forward to 
> putting a lot of miles on it.
>
>
>>

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[RBW] Re: sackville

[Tom Horton]

that was it, waterbury leather, thanks.

On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 1:03:20 PM UTC-4, Shawn Granton wrote:
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 9:39:16 AM UTC-7, Tom Wyland wrote:
>>
>> I think it's Tough Traveler? They have quite the "vintage" website.
>> http://www.toughtraveler.com
>>
>
> That vintage website states that they are Made In New York. While I can 
> understand that all the Northeast states can be "a blur" to people in the 
> other parts of the US (esp. West Coast!), I can assure you that New York is 
> NOT Connecticut! ;-)
>
> The place Riv gets the Sackville bags is Waterbury Leather Company, made 
> in the Naugatuck Valley city of Waterbury.
> https://www.facebook.com/WLWorks/posts/868212886555017
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> yours,
> Shawn
> who grew up in that Naugatuck Valley in Connecticut (and even briefly went 
> to school in Waterbury), but left Connecticut way before #nutmegcountry and 
> ultraromance made it cool. Now living in thoroughly uncool Portland, 
> Oregon.  
>

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[RBW] fm horton

[tom horton]

that’s exactly what I was seeking. thanks.

by the way, if you are interested, i just found a place in bristol va that is 
selling olive green large and medium sackville saddlesacks at half price, 138 
and 120 bucks respectively. ordered two.  mtnsportsltd.com  steve cheers.

I posted this to the rbw site, but as I’m a newish member it won’t be up for 
awhile.

all best. tom

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[RBW] Re: BB Spindle Length for Sam/RH Crank

[Michael Doleman]

Thanks for the great response, I appreciate it. And for the record, someone 
did get back to me yesterday, and I placed an order. I went ahead and got 
the recommended 110mm spindle, which is what I'd suspected would be correct.

I feel pretty confident in my knowledge, most of the time, and -- as you 
say -- that it's totally not rocket science. The variables are few and 
quantities known. But then I start seeing all sorts of different 
information and it introduces a bit of doubt in my mind -- and it's a lot 
of money to spend, so I want to be sure I'm getting it right.

Anyway, I'm sure the crank will be great; I'm really looking forward to 
putting a lot of miles on it.


On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 5:45:45 PM UTC-7, Jan Heine wrote:
>
> Others already have answered, but to reaffirm from the manufacturer: Both 
> spindles – 110 and 113 – will work fine. With 135 mm spacing, your 
> chainline will be 2.5 mm further outward on the rear, so you can use a 
> longer spindle to move the front outward as well – unless you ride in the 
> big ring mostly, and it makes sense to put the chainline on the big ring 
> rather than half-way in between. 
>
> It's not rocket science, and these days, even the big makers fudge quite a 
> bit, with the chainline inward at the rear (to cram in all those extra 
> cogs) and outward at the front (to clear massive chainstays on aluminum 
> bikes). So the old 'iron-clad' road chainline of 43.5 mm from the bike's 
> centerline now is only a recommendation. We designed our René Herse cranks 
> to have a 'perfect' chainline, because it offers better shifting. Using 
> forged arms and careful design, we can make them slim enough to fit most 
> bikes that way, but if you need to go wider, it's easy to do with square 
> tapers – unlike cranks with integrated spindles, which tend to be designed 
> for the 'worst case.'
>
> In addition, with some bikes that are intended for wide tires, the 
> chainstays are very wide, and you have to space the cranks wider to clear.
>
> Regarding contacting Compass - sorry that our phone system has been 
> playing up. We are checking why it doesn't take messages. We usually return 
> customer service emails within a day or two. As a small company, we don't 
> have dedicated customer service staff just standing by... but on the 
> upside, the person who'll answer your question isn't just reading from a 
> script, but actually knows our products.
>
> Jan Heine
> Founder
> Compass Cycles
> www.compasscycle.com
>

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[RBW] Re: sackville

['mlpessar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Tom, I find an link I posted earlier doesn't work. Turns out Jim has a pdf 
on the Cyclofiend site. www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/RR42_web.pdf
If this doesn't work just google Rivendell Reader 42.
-Marc

On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 11:54:55 AM UTC-4, Tom Horton wrote:
>
> I recall an article about the company in CT that makes the sackville bags, 
> but can't find it on the Riv site. anyone have a link?  thanks.
>
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[RBW] Re: sackville

['mlpessar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Tom, Grant wrote a feature article on Waterbury Leatherworks Co. in 
Rivendell Reader 42, Winter, 2010. Here's a link to a PDF. 
https://manfromallouez.files.wordpress.com/.../rivendellreader42_freddiehoffman.pdf
-Marc

On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 11:54:55 AM UTC-4, Tom Horton wrote:
>
> I recall an article about the company in CT that makes the sackville bags, 
> but can't find it on the Riv site. anyone have a link?  thanks.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Panaracer Pasela 700x32 & Berthoud Leather Saddle

[RDS]

I have several interested in the saddle, so consider it sold.  I'll work 
thru the list in order of when I was contacted.  I will contact those who 
PM'd me when the time comes as I work thru selling the saddle.

On Tuesday, March 13, 2018 at 6:38:01 PM UTC-4, RDS wrote:
>
> For sale is 2 new Panaracer Pasela tires.  Protite belt (whatever that 
> means).  Make offer.  Ship from Georgia.
> Berthoud Leather Saddle - not sure of the model, but I think it is the 
> "Aspin".  Widest part of saddle is about 6.25 inches.   Saddle is not wide 
> enough for my riding style.  Make offer.  Ships from Georgia.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1CzHNbh6QZ0NavySlJOkp4Mpt0IDNL5eX?usp=sharing
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Analog Cycles Moving Sale

[Analog Cycles Frederick, MD]

Hi Bruce,

Here's a quickish blurb about the sale.  PDF is attached.  What we really
want to move are frames, ideally with at least partial builds attached to
them.  If you want a unique, high quality build at a good price, awesome.
We can help with that.  We do tubeless wheels, 1x set ups, really good
dynamo set ups, custom fitting, custom bar tape, ultra wide range gearing
solutions, etc.  Here's the rub:  If this sale is super successful, these
builds will take us sometime, so you have to be patient.  It'll always be
first come first built, as long as we get the parts in a timely fashion.
To that end, here's how pricing will work:


   - Get a frame from us: we'll give you a discount on it.


   - Get a frame and partial build, IE drivetrain and brakes, we'll give
   you a better discount on the frame, and a bit of a break on the drivetrain
   stuff.


   - Get a frame and wheels, no drivetrain, see above.


   - Get a frame and complete or most of a complete (IE you provide pedals
   or saddle that sort of thing), we'll get you a really good deal on the
   frame, and a better deal on the rest of the parts.


For parts:  If you get rims, and want us to build wheels, better deal on
rims, and so on.

Shipping:  We will charge you exactly what it costs us.  So if we need to
buy a box for your bike to go in, your price will be box+shipping, no
extras.  We ship bikes and wheels via bike flights and you can do full
insurance or none or partial, just let us know up front.

We have a big pile of weird vintage or semi vintage parts that will be at
the yardsale.  It's honestly a daunting pile, and I dont have the time to
inventory it all.  If you want to look at that stuff, you have to come
right to the yard sale.

Email me for pricing, or with questions.  I have ridden and repeatedly
built every style frame listed here, at least twice.  Most styles I have
built at least 10 of.  We know how to make these things fit, ride well, and
last.

Last thing:  Analog is moving to Vermont.  Our new shop is going to be off
the grid.  It will be focused just on custom builds, parts and bags, with a
few accessories.  Going forward, all decisions will be based around
lessening the shops environmental impact.  We appreciate your support.
Analog is just two people, trying to make bikes that are beautiful and that
will last.  We're about as grass roots as you can get.  We hope to prove
ourselves worthy of your time and investment.

Thank you!

James


On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 8:03 AM, Bruce Baker  wrote:

> please send
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 2:47 PM, James / Analog Cycles <
> analogcyc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hey All, I have a full list of inventory finally worked up as a PDF.  If
>> you are interested in it, email me, and I'll get it out to you.  80+ items
>> on there.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> James
>>
>> On Sunday, March 11, 2018 at 1:04:43 PM UTC-4, James / Analog Cycles
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Gang,  Analog Cycles, formerly known as the bike half of Gravel &
>>> Grind, is moving from Frederick Maryland to East Poultney Vermont.  We
>>> having an inventory reduction sale before we move.  We have lots of frames
>>> and parts from Riv, Crust, Paul, White Industries, Brooks, Nitto, etc.  We
>>> also have a big stash of vintage or semi vintage parts, including a small
>>> horde stash of TA Cyclotourist cranks.  Additional, we have a bunch of
>>> purist water bottles, Velocity rims, WTB tires, some camping gear, vinyl
>>> records, good books, Pendleton shirts, vintage camera gear, and more stuff
>>> I can't recount right now.  We're moving to a small, off the grid shop
>>> space, and really, we can't fit all this stuff!
>>>
>>> The deal is simple:  everything is going to be a good price.  If you get
>>> a frame, and want to get wheels too (which we can build and ship post move)
>>> we'll get you an even better deal on the frame.  Wanna do a complete?  Even
>>> better deal.
>>>
>>> 4 days only.  Not gunna post prices, just know they'll be good.  If you
>>> want us to ship something, email to see if we have it, and we can get you
>>> the pricing, on those days only.  We have limited sizes and such, so if you
>>> want to secure something before the sale, it'll be full wack.  Email me
>>> with questions:  analogcyc...@gmail.com  -James
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Analog Cycles Moving Sale

[Analog Cycles Frederick, MD]

Hi Daniel,

We don't have any big lightning bolts in stock.  That said, if you are
interested in one, we can getcha one, and help with a build out on them.
They're rad bikes, and the craftsmanship is pretty on point!  I'm attaching
a blurb about our sale and the sale list pdf.  We're trying to make sure we
have work when we move, so if you are interested in a LB build, I'll work
with you on the pricing where I can. What we really want to move are
frames, ideally with at least partial builds attached to them.  If you want
a unique, high quality build at a good price, awesome.  We can help with
that.  We do tubeless wheels, 1x set ups, really good dynamo set ups,
custom fitting, custom bar tape, ultra wide range gearing solutions, etc.
Here's the rub:  If this sale is super successful, these builds will take
us sometime, so you have to be patient.  It'll always be first come first
built, as long as we get the parts in a timely fashion.  To that end,
here's how pricing will work:


   - Get a frame from us: we'll give you a discount on it.


   - Get a frame and partial build, IE drivetrain and brakes, we'll give
   you a better discount on the frame, and a bit of a break on the drivetrain
   stuff.


   - Get a frame and wheels, no drivetrain, see above.


   - Get a frame and complete or most of a complete (IE you provide pedals
   or saddle that sort of thing), we'll get you a really good deal on the
   frame, and a better deal on the rest of the parts.


For parts:  If you get rims, and want us to build wheels, better deal on
rims, and so on.

Shipping:  We will charge you exactly what it costs us.  So if we need to
buy a box for your bike to go in, your price will be box+shipping, no
extras.  We ship bikes and wheels via bike flights and you can do full
insurance or none or partial, just let us know up front.

We have a big pile of weird vintage or semi vintage parts that will be at
the yardsale.  It's honestly a daunting pile, and I dont have the time to
inventory it all.  If you want to look at that stuff, you have to come
right to the yard sale.

Email me for pricing, or with questions.  I have ridden and repeatedly
built every style frame listed here, at least twice.  Most styles I have
built at least 10 of.  We know how to make these things fit, ride well, and
last.

Last thing:  Analog is moving to Vermont.  Our new shop is going to be off
the grid.  It will be focused just on custom builds, parts and bags, with a
few accessories.  Going forward, all decisions will be based around
lessening the shops environmental impact.  We appreciate your support.
Analog is just two people, trying to make bikes that are beautiful and that
will last.  We're about as grass roots as you can get.  We hope to prove
ourselves worthy of your time and investment.

Thank you!

James

On Tue, Mar 13, 2018 at 11:21 PM, Daniel Jackson <
daniel.seth.jack...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi James,
>
> I’d love a copy of your inventory. And - do you have any of the largest
> size Lightning Bolts?
>
> Thanks
> D.
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Analog Inventory Sale - Sheet1 (1).pdf
Description: Adobe PDF document

Re: [RBW] Re: Analog Cycles Moving Sale

[Bruce Baker]

please send

On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 2:47 PM, James / Analog Cycles <
analogcyc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey All, I have a full list of inventory finally worked up as a PDF.  If
> you are interested in it, email me, and I'll get it out to you.  80+ items
> on there.
>
> Best,
>
> James
>
> On Sunday, March 11, 2018 at 1:04:43 PM UTC-4, James / Analog Cycles wrote:
>
>> Hey Gang,  Analog Cycles, formerly known as the bike half of Gravel &
>> Grind, is moving from Frederick Maryland to East Poultney Vermont.  We
>> having an inventory reduction sale before we move.  We have lots of frames
>> and parts from Riv, Crust, Paul, White Industries, Brooks, Nitto, etc.  We
>> also have a big stash of vintage or semi vintage parts, including a small
>> horde stash of TA Cyclotourist cranks.  Additional, we have a bunch of
>> purist water bottles, Velocity rims, WTB tires, some camping gear, vinyl
>> records, good books, Pendleton shirts, vintage camera gear, and more stuff
>> I can't recount right now.  We're moving to a small, off the grid shop
>> space, and really, we can't fit all this stuff!
>>
>> The deal is simple:  everything is going to be a good price.  If you get
>> a frame, and want to get wheels too (which we can build and ship post move)
>> we'll get you an even better deal on the frame.  Wanna do a complete?  Even
>> better deal.
>>
>> 4 days only.  Not gunna post prices, just know they'll be good.  If you
>> want us to ship something, email to see if we have it, and we can get you
>> the pricing, on those days only.  We have limited sizes and such, so if you
>> want to secure something before the sale, it'll be full wack.  Email me
>> with questions:  analogcyc...@gmail.com  -James
>>
>>
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wasnt there someone who was trying to resusitate a town uo that way
by making it a small but nice bicycle mecca?

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