[RBW] Re: WTB: Ahearne+MAP Handlebar, 610mm, Silver

[sameness]

West Los represent!

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

On Sunday, July 22, 2018 at 8:53:40 PM UTC-7, adam leibow wrote:
>
> Jeff, I don't have what you're looking for but the zip code sticks out to 
> me - I grew up in 90064, & went to Overland Elementary. Glad to hear there 
> is at least one Riv enthusiast in that area. Good luck with the handlebar 
> search!
>

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[RBW] FS: Light Grey Grid Medium ShopSack, Wald 137 Basket

[gabriel luke thompson aspinwall]

All sold thanks

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Ginz]

Because on a modern trail bike, the top tube slope can vary extremely between 
sizes. That’s a lotta lugs. 

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[DarinM]

Since when has Rivendell geometry been constrained by available lugs? They’re 
all Grant/house designed, and the addition of the ball-in-socket seat lug just 
makes it even easier. The Cheviot head-TT lug makes a pretty MTB-style angle.

That said, we don’t know the extent of the luggage at this point. 

Darin

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Re: [RBW] MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Joe Bernard]

To be clear (I wasn't), I was trying to answer Patrick the Deacon's questions 
from the perspective of how that stuff got to be on mountain bikes as the niche 
developed, not specifically why Riv is doing it now. 

I've had plenty of threaded headsets come loose over the years, but never a Riv 
headset over 15 years of owning/riding them, and I used to ride some gnarly 
singletrack at China Camp, Marin County on my Romulus. 

Joe "also too old to say gnarly" Bernard
Novato CA. 

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Ginz]

In my opinion, a threadless fork allows for a very stiff, inexpensive and and 
rather lightweight 4 bolt stem. This opens up the handlebar possibilities as 
now there is no requirement for a bullmoose design. Any old aluminum mtb bar 
will do and one need not worry about getting the riser bars bend past a quill 
stem’s clamp.  Does Nitto even offer a mtb worth quill stem at this point? 

I do not think the threadless design is about suspension correction in this 
case.  Also, a I do not see a threadless fork being easier to adjust on the 
trail. Bearings, yes. Bar height, bar alignment, no. 

73mm B.B. shell certainly indicates plus size tires. However I think the rest 
of the bike’s design will be subtle variations of the Hunq and Bomba. 

The one thing I am not clear about is how a fully lugged frame will have enough 
top tube slope for big stand over clearance. Without that, all these 
discussions about a modern MTB with plus+, boost, boing, squish, dropper, 
hydro, and klamper might best be had about a different bike, shouldn’t they? 

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Re: [RBW] New to me Roadeo

[Patrick Moore]

Very nice; congratulations. Makes me want to abandon my 1980 Guerciotti
project and hold out for a 57.

On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 1:38 PM, JohnS  wrote:

> Well they say, "Good things come to those who wait", which is the case
> with the Roadeo that I purchased last weekend from list member Kelly. It
> was about this time last year that I got it in my head that I wanted a
> Roadeo and I've been on the look out for a good used example in my size
> since then (61cm). They don't come up often and when they do, you have to
> jump, which I did, thankfully with the support of my wife. Kelly had it
> professionally boxed by his LBS and shipped by Bike Flights/FedEx, arriving
> on Friday. Since then I've washed, waxed and assembled it. I only got out
> it for about a mile ride today due to the rain, looking forward taking it
> on my spirited club ride on Wednesday evening, a pace line with an average
> speed around 17.5 mph. I'm also looking forward to riding it on the
> Lancaster Covered Bridge metric century on 8/19 and the Civil War Century
> on 9/8. The color is something of a metal flake root beer, which I love. It
> came with Rene Hearse crank, White Inds hubs laced to Velosity rims, 105
> brifters, Ultegra rear and a Campy front derailleur. Nitto stem and seat
> post and Tektro brakes. I installed my own B17 and VP vise pedals. Current
> build is 23 pounds which I'm very happy with. I'm sure it could be lighter,
> but I'm not going there. The only big change will be to Mustache bars and
> vintage Suntour bar end shift levers which I'll install next weekend.
> Thanks again to Kelly for such an awesome bike! I feel very fortunate.
>
> JohnS
>
>
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Re: [RBW] MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Grant Petersen]

Theoretically easier to adjust with the tools you're likely to have with
you on a trail, but a few weeks ago I took a poll at work, and it revealed
that in more than 100 years of cumulative riding on dirt and roads, nobody
has ever had a threaded headset come loose. It can happen, but probably
won't. We "went threadless" only because we wanted riders to be able to
swap parts from existing bikes (stems, bars--if 31.8 to match the stem).
Rather than having to buy the bars and stems from us. WHich--we'll have a
good assortment, but still.
The 73 shell, yes, so you can have a fatty tire not riding too close to the
chain. It's not a big problem with 68, but now and then when you're going
down a bouncy trail, the chain will flop into the tire and the tire will
drag it down toward the chainstay and won't let go until you stop. It
sounds worse than it is. You're going down the trail, and all of a sudden
it sounds like you've picked up the mother of all leaves, but the bike
still goes.
Also, if you want to use a single-ring crank and external bb, those are
optimized for 73mm shells.
The debate was: 73mm shells and threadless, or Carbon Fiber and shocks, and
the right ones won!

On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 1:12 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Threadless: Easier adjustment on the trail, conversely offset by being
> less likely to go out of adjustment on the trail.
>
> 73mm: Wider shell for modern mtb cranks which clear wider tires.
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Re: [RBW] Re: New to me Roadeo

[JohnS]

Well the Roadeo does have room for fenders and has eyelets for them, so I 
probably will. I did this ride two years ago and completed just before it 
down poured. I was lucky.

JohnS

On Sunday, July 22, 2018 at 5:16:58 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 07/22/2018 05:04 PM, John Hawrylak wrote: 
> > Are you installing fenders for the Covered Bridge??  The stuff on 
> > those roads are more than dust 
> > 
> > 
> > 
>
>
> Any bike I bring to the Covered Bridge Classic will have fenders. While 
> the ride is no Seagull Century of TOSRV in terms of how often it rains 
> during the ride, it's rained a number of times that I've done it and as 
> you point out, horse droppings on the road make for some nasty splashes. 
>
>

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[RBW] Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

[iamkeith]

Me!  A lot.  I like some of the models even better than the ones Grant got, and 
might looking at some.  I have the same ultra-wide foot issue, so if these are 
indeed wider than most... bonus.

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[RBW] WTB: Ahearne+MAP Handlebar, 610mm, Silver

[sameness]

[cross-post from iBOB]

Looking for a silver Ahearne+MAP Handlebar in the wider 610cm option. 

Any condition considered, and in fact, the beat-er the better-er; I'm not 
confident this bar will work for me but I want to give it a go. 

I can get a new one straight from the source for about $71.00 to ZIP code 
90064, so obviously looking for something cheaper. 

I can PayPal, or would be happy to work out a trade in your favor. My parts 
stash overfloweth at the moment so just let me know what you're after and 
I'll go digging.

PM or email my user name at Gmail dot com, please and thanks!

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] Blahg Post Ethiopian Shoes

[Doug H.]

Who else digs the Ethiopian shoes that Grant posted about? I may just order 
a pair!
Doug

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Re: [RBW] Re: New to me Roadeo

[Steve Palincsar]

On 07/22/2018 05:04 PM, John Hawrylak wrote:
Are you installing fenders for the Covered Bridge??  The stuff on 
those roads are more than dust







Any bike I bring to the Covered Bridge Classic will have fenders. While 
the ride is no Seagull Century of TOSRV in terms of how often it rains 
during the ride, it's rained a number of times that I've done it and as 
you point out, horse droppings on the road make for some nasty splashes.


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[RBW] Re: New to me Roadeo

[John Hawrylak]

Are you installing fenders for the Covered Bridge??  The stuff on those 
roads are more than dust

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Sunday, July 22, 2018 at 3:38:52 PM UTC-4, JohnS wrote:
>
> Well they say, "Good things come to those who wait", which is the case 
> with the Roadeo that I purchased last weekend from list member Kelly. It 
> was about this time last year that I got it in my head that I wanted a 
> Roadeo and I've been on the look out for a good used example in my size 
> since then (61cm). They don't come up often and when they do, you have to 
> jump, which I did, thankfully with the support of my wife. Kelly had it 
> professionally boxed by his LBS and shipped by Bike Flights/FedEx, arriving 
> on Friday. Since then I've washed, waxed and assembled it. I only got out 
> it for about a mile ride today due to the rain, looking forward taking it 
> on my spirited club ride on Wednesday evening, a pace line with an average 
> speed around 17.5 mph. I'm also looking forward to riding it on the 
> Lancaster Covered Bridge metric century on 8/19 and the Civil War Century 
> on 9/8. The color is something of a metal flake root beer, which I love. It 
> came with Rene Hearse crank, White Inds hubs laced to Velosity rims, 105 
> brifters, Ultegra rear and a Campy front derailleur. Nitto stem and seat 
> post and Tektro brakes. I installed my own B17 and VP vise pedals. Current 
> build is 23 pounds which I'm very happy with. I'm sure it could be lighter, 
> but I'm not going there. The only big change will be to Mustache bars and 
> vintage Suntour bar end shift levers which I'll install next weekend. 
> Thanks again to Kelly for such an awesome bike! I feel very fortunate.
>
> JohnS
>
>
> 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bicycle Commuting

[Doug H.]

I like the bar end brake levers. I'm sure in traffic it makes applying the 
brakes quicker. I'm thinking front rack as well when I set up a commuter 
bike.
Doug

On Sunday, July 22, 2018 at 4:16:44 PM UTC-4, JohnS wrote:
>
> My Quickbeam has been my commuter for the past 6 months. My commute is 
> about 20 miles round trip from center city Baltimore to BWI, some hills but 
> nothing too serious. Riding fixed is a great workout! Fenders,generator, 
> front and rear lighting and front rack. I've removed the rear rack since 
> I've taken the picture.
>
> JohnS
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Saturday, July 21, 2018 at 3:51:32 PM UTC-4, Doug H. wrote:
>>
>> I commuted off and on for a few months on a Surly LHT but sold it and 
>> stopped commuting. I want to start commuting a few days a week again. My 
>> commute is all asphalt and is 9 miles each way...a little hilly. Is there a 
>> Riv that would be great for that or would any old Riv do?
>> Doug
>
>

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Thanks, Joe!

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Garth]

Variations of the presentation of "bike" , yes .
Advantages, no. 

A "fool" can screw up anything at anytime, nothing is fool-proof for the 
fool  just more to fool around with !  

Most riders , just ride where-ever and when-ever  and loa and behold 
  "shit" doesn't happen. 


Whoever reads this and are tempted to defend this or that, before you get 
your panties in a bunch , try f'n smiling and laughing about it all :) 

or not . does not matter ! 

Ahahahahahahaha ! 




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[RBW] Re: Bicycle Commuting

[JohnS]

My Quickbeam has been my commuter for the past 6 months. My commute is 
about 20 miles round trip from center city Baltimore to BWI, some hills but 
nothing too serious. Riding fixed is a great workout! Fenders,generator, 
front and rear lighting and front rack. I've removed the rear rack since 
I've taken the picture.

JohnS




On Saturday, July 21, 2018 at 3:51:32 PM UTC-4, Doug H. wrote:
>
> I commuted off and on for a few months on a Surly LHT but sold it and 
> stopped commuting. I want to start commuting a few days a week again. My 
> commute is all asphalt and is 9 miles each way...a little hilly. Is there a 
> Riv that would be great for that or would any old Riv do?
> Doug

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[RBW] MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Joe Bernard]

*Clears wider STAYS for wider tires. My bad!

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[RBW] MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Joe Bernard]

Threadless: Easier adjustment on the trail, conversely offset by being less 
likely to go out of adjustment on the trail. 

73mm: Wider shell for modern mtb cranks which clear wider tires. 

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[RBW] MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

What MTB advantage(s), threadless headset and 72mm bb?

With abandon,
Patrick (who would be interested but for verticle dropouts, which is 
surmountable but not at a price I can do in the near future having blown my wad 
on the HunqaBeam)

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[RBW] Re: New to me Roadeo

[JohnS]

Thank you Joe!

On Sunday, July 22, 2018 at 3:52:04 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> Root Beer! That's a lovely bike. 

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Bill Lindsay]

That lugged Nitto Dropper Seatpost is going to be sweet 

(I don’t think there will be a lugged Nitto Dropper seatpost)

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito Ca. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Joe Bernard]

My bad (I'm much too old to be saying "my bad"), I guess I assumed fully-lugged 
without actually reading it. Zoinks!

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[RBW] FS: Nitto SOBA H'Bar 44cm - $60 shipped.

[Elton Pope-Lance]

The lightweight non-sleeved version of the Nitto Noodle. Used but solid. Has 
some residue from tape adhesive and some scratches from installation/removal of 
a tight brake mounting ring.  Nothing that won’t clean up well or show when 
taped.

Please email of list if interested.  Thanks!

- Elton

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[RBW] New to me Roadeo

[Joe Bernard]

Root Beer! That's a lovely bike. 

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[RBW] New to me Roadeo

[JohnS]

Well they say, "Good things come to those who wait", which is the case with 
the Roadeo that I purchased last weekend from list member Kelly. It was 
about this time last year that I got it in my head that I wanted a Roadeo 
and I've been on the look out for a good used example in my size since then 
(61cm). They don't come up often and when they do, you have to jump, which 
I did, thankfully with the support of my wife. Kelly had it professionally 
boxed by his LBS and shipped by Bike Flights/FedEx, arriving on Friday. 
Since then I've washed, waxed and assembled it. I only got out it for about 
a mile ride today due to the rain, looking forward taking it on my spirited 
club ride on Wednesday evening, a pace line with an average speed around 
17.5 mph. I'm also looking forward to riding it on the Lancaster Covered 
Bridge metric century on 8/19 and the Civil War Century on 9/8. The color 
is something of a metal flake root beer, which I love. It came with Rene 
Hearse crank, White Inds hubs laced to Velosity rims, 105 brifters, Ultegra 
rear and a Campy front derailleur. Nitto stem and seat post and Tektro 
brakes. I installed my own B17 and VP vise pedals. Current build is 23 
pounds which I'm very happy with. I'm sure it could be lighter, but I'm not 
going there. The only big change will be to Mustache bars and vintage 
Suntour bar end shift levers which I'll install next weekend. Thanks again 
to Kelly for such an awesome bike! I feel very fortunate.

JohnS



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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Grant Petersen]

Nobody knows nuttin' yet. Well, not exactly nobody, and "nuttin'" is an
exagerration, but it's fun to say, and it's my birth-month, so I get to.
This is true: We (here at RBW) are having a fun time with it, and are
taking every detail seriously.

On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 11:46 AM, Drw  wrote:

> So we know it’s gonna be fully lugged?
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[RBW] WTT: My 46 Noodles for your Choco Norms

[jandrews]

Howdy
Curious if anyone here may have purchased a Choco-norm bar and would like to 
trade for a 46cm Noodle?. I would like to try it out.
*im not interested in a Choco-moose.
My Noodles are in fine , but used shape.
Thanks 
Jason 

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Drw]

So we know it’s gonna be fully lugged?

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Joe Bernard]

Clem uses a 68mm BB shell, threaded fork and mostly-TIG'd joints. I would call 
a new full-lug Riv mountain bike the more expensive upgrade from a Clem. 

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Doug H.]

The Clem seems to be a worthy mountain bike. Will there be some overlap between 
these models? 
Doug

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[iamkeith]

73mm bb seems to suggest that plus, or at least signifficantly wider, tires are 
still in play.  That's good news.

If it's going threadless, I wonder if there will be a batch of stems with 
decent rise accompanying the release.  I still can't stand the stack-of-poker 
chips thing, even on bikes that aren't otherwise as pretty as rivs.

Regarding the committing to one sight unseen question, I think some sizing 
information would be necessary as a minimum.  He's not talking about a scenario 
like the appaloosa/mystery/long bike where they were built with a specific 
buyer in mind, right?

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Joe Bernard]

-- The other thing Grant asked was "how many people want to give us money 
without knowing what the final cost will be?" --

The actual wording is "commit to in exchange for a 25% discount on the frame." 
Yep, I'd take that deal. 

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[RBW] Re: Bicycle Commuting

[Belopsky]

I want to know more! Is this a weekday commute? What's the route? How early do 
you head out to get in by when and vice versa on the way back? 80mile commute 
days, wow

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[RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Belopsky]

I don't get it. 
Modern mountain bike, threadless, 73mm shell.

No discs.

Well whatever.

The other thing Grant asked was "how many people want to give us money 
without knowing what the final cost will be?"

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[RBW] Re: Bicycle Commuting

[Doug H.]

Thanks all for the good advice and recommendations. I do need to get back into 
the commute sooner rather than later. I’m thinking any Riv but the Clem would 
be perfect. 
Doug

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[RBW] MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Ryan Merrill]

I’m a disc fan, but if I can still get quality rims/wheels and use modern MTB 
tires I can definitely use rim brakes. V brakes work pretty well, and cantis do 
if i get over the initial setup frustrations I seem to always have with them.  
I look forward to an MTB Riv...excited about it, actually. 

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[RBW] FS: Light Grey Grid Medium ShopSack, Wald 137 Basket

[gabriel luke thompson aspinwall]

Shopsack Sold 
Basket still available.

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO inexpensive but decent utility bike; possible large BMX or possibly city bike with kickback hub

[hugh flynn]

Take a look at the 26" and 700c offerings for SE Racing (BMX). The OM Flyer
(oddly enough the BMX bike I rode 30 years ago as a lad) is steel but the
have several aluminum frames as well.

Likely to pick up one myself...

Hugh "not kidding, the OM stands for Old Man" Flynn
Newburyport, MA


On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 2:34 AM Ian A  wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> Have you considered looking on your local Craigslist? I just had a quick
> look on Albuquerque Craigslist and noted a one owner Novara Randonnee $360
> (no size, but currently belongs to a six footer), a large '89 one owner
> Specialized Rock Hopper Comp $70 (needs new wheels and probably lots of
> work) and a 57cm Schwinn World Tour $100.
>
> I appreciate that most used bikes require a degree of mechanical work so
> maybe not the best approach. The Novara Randonnee could be a super
> candidate for someone looking for something to commute on. But, at ~$300
> and if it's already in good shape, the Novara could be greatly preferable
> to a new $500 bike.
>
> IanA
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Re: [RBW] MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Eric Floden]

Likely not workable but a fun name would be Corto Maltese. Thinking
sailor-adventurer from 1900 to 1920s

EricF
Peterborough ON

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corto_Maltese

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> Btw, Swan Arcade would be an AWESOME name for a bike.
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[RBW] Re: Bicycle Commuting

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Doug. No, but not for any reasons related to my experience with the 
bicycle. It had to do with loss of job and medical bills. Happy to say it 
resides with another RBW lister. I would not hesitate to get another, and 
likely will at some point down the road. And by the way, it's capable of 
much more than commuting, of course. Here's mine on the way to the top of 
Mt. Beacon:



Super fun, super useful bicycle. And I think very attractive. It has a real 
heirloom feel to it, despite being low on the Riv totem pole. Just a 
different level of frame quality than, say, a Public or Breezer bike. 

On Sunday, July 22, 2018 at 1:08:15 AM UTC-4, Doug H. wrote:
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> Mark, I have been considering the Clem L seriously. Do you still have your 
> Clem L? 

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on Space Behind Seat Tube on LWB Bikes

[Ron Mc]

RandiJo MUT  or Big MUT would fit

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[RBW] Re: Bicycle Commuting

[Kevin Lindsey]

Not that this chorus needs another voice, but I currently commute about 
forty miles each way on one of three Rivendells - a Homer, a Bleriot, and a 
Hunqapillar - and all are outstanding commuters.  The latter may be a bit 
of overkill, but all are fun, super comfortable, able to handle whatever 
weather comes your way, and are really lovely, to boot.  My commute is 
entirely on pavement, but I have no doubt that any of the three could 
easily handle any amount of gravel or dirt you'd care to throw at 'em en 
route.  Plus, they have no problem carrying an additional bag or two for 
your change of clothes and other commuter necessities. 
Rivs have always been built for this kind of role; consider skimming Ebay 
and Craiglist for one of the older models - the Bleriot is one of my 
favorites - which can sometimes be had for a very reasonable price.
Good luck.

Kevin Lindsey
Alexandria, VA
USA

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[RBW] Bicycle Commuting

[Joe Bernard]

Honestly, you're average bike thief is going to think a green Clem L is an old 
Raleigh 3-speed step-thru. Not that there's anything wrong with that! ;-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: ISO inexpensive but decent utility bike; possible large BMX or possibly city bike with kickback hub

[Ian A]

Patrick,

Have you considered looking on your local Craigslist? I just had a quick look 
on Albuquerque Craigslist and noted a one owner Novara Randonnee $360 (no size, 
but currently belongs to a six footer), a large '89 one owner Specialized Rock 
Hopper Comp $70 (needs new wheels and probably lots of work) and a 57cm Schwinn 
World Tour $100.

I appreciate that most used bikes require a degree of mechanical work so maybe 
not the best approach. The Novara Randonnee could be a super candidate for 
someone looking for something to commute on. But, at ~$300 and if it's already 
in good shape, the Novara could be greatly preferable to a new $500 bike.

IanA

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