[RBW] Re: Anyone tried Brooks rubber Cambium bartape?

[Manuel Acosta]

Meh.

Like cotton shellac tape when its worned it. I have some on my hillborne 
and I'm not too impress.

On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 10:50:33 AM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Also remember I am asking about the rubber cambium, not the cambium that 
> is same texture as the cambium saddles.  See link above. I am afraid we 
> will get mixed up since the names are similar. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Outside article on CF

[jack loudon]

I understand that due diligence can be different than with steel, because, 
as was said before, CF is relatively new, and the consequences of 
frame/fork failure are greater.  The one full CF bike I bought was from REI 
(I no longer own the bike).  I've been an REI member for 40+ years & have 
come to trust their product selection, and they are a nationwide retailer 
who hopefully doesn't want their members to get injured and sue them.  They 
also have a great return policy if the bike has problems.  The most recent 
CF fork I bought was from my LBS, where the owner intensely dislikes carbon 
forks so I went with his recommendation of the the 'least unsafe' fork.
As I said before, I would probably buy CF from Salsa, mostly because they 
are well-established, aren't weight-obsessed and focus on off-road bikes.  
I would be less inclined to buy CF from Trek or Specialized because they 
are more focused on ultra light weight and bleeding edge technology.  I 
would be very reluctant to buy from a new startup company such as 3T or 
Open UP, even if praised in BQ.  I know this isn't great advice and maybe 
I'm too gullible or trusting;  but it's what I did or would do, in addition 
to the usual online research.

Jack
Seattle



I ask because as far as I can see, there's virtually nothing that any 
> prospective owner can do in the way of research that would help in 
> identifying good vs poor carbon bicycles.  I just don't see what sort of 
> due diligence you're expecting prospective purchasers to perform, and 
> thought that perhaps you might have though of something specific and 
> obvious that I've overlooked, having very little experience buying bikes 
> from bike shops and zero experience buying carbon.  There's no Consumer 
> Reports for bicycles (and when CR tries to write up bicycles the results 
> are virtually useless), most of what most bike mags publish is useless 
> drivel, and BQ mostly does customs / handbuilts.
>
> On 07/26/2018 08:10 PM, jack loudon wrote:
>
> "And what would the nature of this due diligence on the part of the buyer 
> / owner be?" 
>
> The nature of the due diligence would be the research most of us would do 
> when making a major purchase, which is primarily checking the reputation of 
> manufacturer, but also looking for history of damaged or recalled frames, 
> asking questions on this list etc.  I think most bicycles have to meet EN 
> or CEN standards when sold in Europe and elsewhere, even unbranded Chinese 
> frames (for what that's worth).  But you already knew all this, so I'm not 
> sure what you were expecting in the way of an answer from me.
>
> Jack
>
> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 12:15:57 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 07/26/2018 12:48 PM, jack loudon wrote:
>>
>> Like Joe and Patrick, I also think CF *can* be safe but the buyer/owner 
>> needs to do a lot more due diligence than when buying steel.  Because the 
>> consequences of CF failure are so great, sloppy design and construction 
>> simply can't be tolerated.  I would tend to trust company like Salsa (for 
>> instance) because their CF frames seem to emphasize strength over extreme 
>> light weight.  Their Cutthroat has had plenty of testing on the Tour Divide 
>> and other races, and if Salsa has had CF frame or fork failures, I haven't 
>> heard of them.  OTOH, Salsa had a steel fork recall awhile back.  IMO it's 
>> not the material but the integrity and expertise of the designer/builder.  
>>
>>
>> And what would the nature of this due diligence on the part of the buyer 
>> / owner be?
>> -- 
>>
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Seen at RBW Today -- New MTB proto?

[Joe Bernard]

Cannondale motorcycles. Carbs in the front, rear-facing exhaust. It made sense, 
but you gotta win Supercross races to sell those bikes. They didn't.  

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[RBW] Re: Seen at RBW Today -- New MTB proto?

[Jim M.]

On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 8:15:44 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Hey Jim, did you see any Sparkly Orange Roadinis or Sams?


I did not. I don't think they're in or unpacked yet. The showroom seemed 
pretty empty, and I kinda just had eyes for my preciou. I did see a 
Legolas that had been repainted with what looked like the same color as 
mine, but with a cream headtube. Very nice.

Anyone remember Cannondale's attempt at motorcycles? Not a resounding 
success, that's for sure. 

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[RBW] Re: Seen at RBW Today -- New MTB proto?

[Joe Bernard]

Hey Jim, did you see any Sparkly Orange Roadinis or Sams?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Outside article on CF

[Joe Bernard]

That "due diligence by owner" is beyond my capabilities as a bike buyer. I 
don't know what the hell is under that top layer of carbon, and I sure don't 
know how to find out. 

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[RBW] Re: Seen at RBW Today -- New MTB proto?

[Joe Bernard]

That's a bicycle that ran into something very stationary. 

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[RBW] Re: Seen at RBW Today -- New MTB proto?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

If you're on the east coast and want one, this is on my local craigslist 
for $370, with the claim, This is a Bicycle, not a Motorcycle. 



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> Parked at RBW today -- could this be the new MTB proto? 
>
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Daniel Jackson]

I have to get behind Philip on this one. Dropper on a fat tired road bike that 
you hit the rugged logging roads with is just splendid. Nothing quite like 
zinging around rutted corners on a big 747 standard diameter frame with your 
dropper all the way down. That’s the Golden Age of bicycles right there. 

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[RBW] WTB: Pletscher or Nitto R-14

[lambbo]

Looking for a Pletscher or Nitto R-14 rack.  

After wasting $250 bucks on two other racks (Jannd front and Surly 6 pack) 
that I *tried *to make work on my cheviot to hold my XL basket, I've 
decided to get a rack that's guaranteed to work.  

I've been known to load up my basket with up to 50 lbs of plaster on 
occasion so if the R-14 is too flimsy please advise. 

Thanks!

*The Jannd front rack (black) is a great front rack but doesn't fit the 
cheviot correctly, if anyone wants to buy it make an offer. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Outside article on CF

[Steve Palincsar]

I ask because as far as I can see, there's virtually nothing that any 
prospective owner can do in the way of research that would help in 
identifying good vs poor carbon bicycles.  I just don't see what sort of 
due diligence you're expecting prospective purchasers to perform, and 
thought that perhaps you might have though of something specific and 
obvious that I've overlooked, having very little experience buying bikes 
from bike shops and zero experience buying carbon.  There's no Consumer 
Reports for bicycles (and when CR tries to write up bicycles the results 
are virtually useless), most of what most bike mags publish is useless 
drivel, and BQ mostly does customs / handbuilts.



On 07/26/2018 08:10 PM, jack loudon wrote:
"And what would the nature of this due diligence on the part of the 
buyer / owner be?"


The nature of the due diligence would be the research most of us would 
do when making a major purchase, which is primarily checking the 
reputation of manufacturer, but also looking for history of damaged or 
recalled frames, asking questions on this list etc.  I think most 
bicycles have to meet EN or CEN standards when sold in Europe and 
elsewhere, even unbranded Chinese frames (for what that's worth).  But 
you already knew all this, so I'm not sure what you were expecting in 
the way of an answer from me.


Jack

On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 12:15:57 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:



On 07/26/2018 12:48 PM, jack loudon wrote:

Like Joe and Patrick, I also think CF /can/ be safe but the
buyer/owner needs to do a lot more due diligence than when buying
steel.  Because the consequences of CF failure are so great,
sloppy design and construction simply can't be tolerated. I would
tend to trust company like Salsa (for instance) because their CF
frames seem to emphasize strength over extreme light weight. 
Their Cutthroat has had plenty of testing on the Tour Divide and
other races, and if Salsa has had CF frame or fork failures, I
haven't heard of them.  OTOH, Salsa had a steel fork recall
awhile back.  IMO it's not the material but the integrity and
expertise of the designer/builder.


And what would the nature of this due diligence on the part of the
buyer / owner be?
-- 


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Alexandria, Virginia
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[RBW] Seen at RBW Today -- New MTB proto?

[Joe Bernard]

It's the new Rivendell KLR650B. 

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[RBW] Re: Seen at RBW Today -- New MTB proto?

[DarinM]

Well done sir, well done. Love the new paint on the Bomba, too!

Darin

On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 4:30:52 PM UTC-7, Jim M. wrote:
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> Parked at RBW today -- could this be the new MTB proto? 
>
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Outside article on CF

[jack loudon]

"And what would the nature of this due diligence on the part of the buyer / 
owner be?"

The nature of the due diligence would be the research most of us would do 
when making a major purchase, which is primarily checking the reputation of 
manufacturer, but also looking for history of damaged or recalled frames, 
asking questions on this list etc.  I think most bicycles have to meet EN 
or CEN standards when sold in Europe and elsewhere, even unbranded Chinese 
frames (for what that's worth).  But you already knew all this, so I'm not 
sure what you were expecting in the way of an answer from me.

Jack

On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 12:15:57 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 07/26/2018 12:48 PM, jack loudon wrote:
>
> Like Joe and Patrick, I also think CF *can* be safe but the buyer/owner 
> needs to do a lot more due diligence than when buying steel.  Because the 
> consequences of CF failure are so great, sloppy design and construction 
> simply can't be tolerated.  I would tend to trust company like Salsa (for 
> instance) because their CF frames seem to emphasize strength over extreme 
> light weight.  Their Cutthroat has had plenty of testing on the Tour Divide 
> and other races, and if Salsa has had CF frame or fork failures, I haven't 
> heard of them.  OTOH, Salsa had a steel fork recall awhile back.  IMO it's 
> not the material but the integrity and expertise of the designer/builder.  
>
>
> And what would the nature of this due diligence on the part of the buyer / 
> owner be?
>
>
> -- 
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Seen at RBW Today -- New MTB proto?

[Jim M.]

The real reason I was there was to pick up my repaired and repainted 
Bombadil, which looks like this:



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[RBW] Seen at RBW Today -- New MTB proto?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Almost had me. Then I saw the discs.

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[RBW] Re: Seen at RBW Today -- New MTB proto?

[iamkeith]

No - that's one of those new pbikes that are threatening to completely 
disrupt the industry.   Word has it that they get 70+ mpg out of a 
non-polluting 4 stroke engine and, unlike ebikes, they tend to last for 
decades and won't pollute the environment through the discarding of 
worn-out, non-recyclable, toxic battery packs, sourced from un-regulated 
lithium mines located in third world countries.

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> Parked at RBW today -- could this be the new MTB proto? 
>
>
>
> 
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[RBW] Seen at RBW Today -- New MTB proto?

[Jim M.]

Parked at RBW today -- could this be the new MTB proto? 




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[RBW] new bike day!!

[Joe Bernard]

I now have Bullmoose bars headed my way. I'll post pics when my Clem is moosey!

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[RBW] new bike day!!

[Wayne Naha]

Excellent build!  Enjoy!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Paris Bicycle Shops

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Photos inside the shop from my visit there in 2015:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/campyonlyguy/albums/72157681445923345 
 

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> On Jul 26, 2018, at 2:29 PM, Jeremy Till  wrote:
> 
> Cycles Alex Singer in Levallois, a suburb of Paris easily accessible by 
> Metro: 
> 
> http://www.cycles-alex-singer.fr/
> 
> One of the classic "constructeur" shops, still operating these days.  I tried 
> to visit on a Sunday when I was there for my honeymoon a few years ago, but 
> they're closed on Sundays (as well as Mondays and Tuesday mornings, according 
> to the website) but it was still good for about 30-45 mins of staring through 
> the windows at all of the beautiful machines.  
> 
> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-7, Karl wrote:
> In Paris for a week, and wondering if anyone knows of any shops that a fellow 
> Rivendell fan would enjoy. Thanks in advance!
> Karl
> Nashville, TN
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Re: [RBW] Paris Bicycle Shops

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Definitely the Alex Singer shop, at 53 Rue Victor Hugo in Levallois (a separate 
city adjacent to Paris). The shop has been in the same location since the 
1940s. If you ask, they will take you in the back to see where Ernest Czuka 
built frames for some 50-60 years. Their supply of vintage NOS equipment is 
definitely drool-worthy.

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> On Jul 26, 2018, at 1:42 PM, Karl  wrote:
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> In Paris for a week, and wondering if anyone knows of any shops that a fellow 
> Rivendell fan would enjoy. Thanks in advance!
> 
> Karl
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[RBW] Re: Paris Bicycle Shops

[Karl]

Jeremy,

That looks amazing!! Whoa! I know what I’m doing Wednesday morning! Thank you!

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[RBW] Re: Paris Bicycle Shops

[Jeremy Till]

Cycles Alex Singer in Levallois, a suburb of Paris easily accessible by 
Metro: 

http://www.cycles-alex-singer.fr/

One of the classic "constructeur" shops, still operating these days.  I 
tried to visit on a Sunday when I was there for my honeymoon a few years 
ago, but they're closed on Sundays (as well as Mondays and Tuesday 
mornings, according to the website) but it was still good for about 30-45 
mins of staring through the windows at all of the beautiful machines.  

On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 1:42:06 PM UTC-7, Karl wrote:
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> In Paris for a week, and wondering if anyone knows of any shops that a 
> fellow Rivendell fan would enjoy. Thanks in advance!
>
> Karl
> Nashville, TN
>

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[RBW] Re: Thoughts on Space Behind Seat Tube on LWB Bikes

[Tim O. (Portland, OR)]

Here's a link to someone using the extra space for a framebag on a LHT: 
https://www.instagram.com/p/BdtWcHwlxZO/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet=1uapzizqzu99q

I've put tent poles and a water bottle cage back there on my Riv 
proto-Appaloosa: 
https://www.instagram.com/p/BV0_t9fhmXu/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet=nct61padfdd7

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[RBW] new bike day!!

[Karl]

Very nice! Congratulations! Makes me want to build up a Hunq! 

Karl
Nashville, TN

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[RBW] Paris Bicycle Shops

[Karl]

In Paris for a week, and wondering if anyone knows of any shops that a fellow 
Rivendell fan would enjoy. Thanks in advance!

Karl
Nashville, TN

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[RBW] Re: FS: 2016 Cheviot 60cm Orange

[eflayer]

photos mediocre on my computer.

On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 11:30:48 AM UTC-7, Kiley Demond wrote:
>
> Frame is in very good condition. Only blemish is a chip from a car bike 
> rack. Frame sale includes fork and bottom bracket. Also for sale are the 
> components listed below which will be sold individually *after the sale 
> of the frame* as frame buyer has first right of refusal. 
>
> $850 frame only. $900 with the components listed below. Shipping within 
> the continental U.S. capped at $50 (I pay anything over that). Frame is 
> located in Prescott, AZ so there is a possiblity of meeting along 
> interstate 40 or 17 in AZ.
>
> Shifters IRD Silver ratchet thumb shifters
> Brakes Tektro 559 long reach
> Derailleurs Shimano M591 (rear), Shimano Claris (front)
> 2 x 9, 11-32t with chain. Note: guard has crimp that needs to be hammered 
> out
> Sugino XD2 WIDE/LOW double 175
>
> *Please PM me with all questions and comments.*
>
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[RBW] Re: new bike day!!

[RichS]

That is so sharp looking Adam. I like the colors on the seat bag. Adds a fun 
touch; and I would say helps the bike’s visibility.

Regards,
Rich

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[RBW] Re: FS: 2016 Cheviot 60cm Orange

[Kiley Demond]

New Photos (moderator, please delete the first set; I understand they are 
too small to be of service.

On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 11:30:48 AM UTC-7, Kiley Demond wrote:
>
> Frame is in very good condition. Only blemish is a chip from a car bike 
> rack. Frame sale includes fork and bottom bracket. Also for sale are the 
> components listed below which will be sold individually *after the sale 
> of the frame* as frame buyer has first right of refusal. 
>
> $850 frame only. $900 with the components listed below. Shipping within 
> the continental U.S. capped at $50 (I pay anything over that). Frame is 
> located in Prescott, AZ so there is a possiblity of meeting along 
> interstate 40 or 17 in AZ.
>
> Shifters IRD Silver ratchet thumb shifters
> Brakes Tektro 559 long reach
> Derailleurs Shimano M591 (rear), Shimano Claris (front)
> 2 x 9, 11-32t with chain. Note: guard has crimp that needs to be hammered 
> out
> Sugino XD2 WIDE/LOW double 175
>
> *Please PM me with all questions and comments.*
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Outside article on CF

[Steve Palincsar]

On 07/26/2018 12:48 PM, jack loudon wrote:
Like Joe and Patrick, I also think CF /can/ be safe but the 
buyer/owner needs to do a lot more due diligence than when buying 
steel.  Because the consequences of CF failure are so great, sloppy 
design and construction simply can't be tolerated.  I would tend to 
trust company like Salsa (for instance) because their CF frames seem 
to emphasize strength over extreme light weight.  Their Cutthroat has 
had plenty of testing on the Tour Divide and other races, and if Salsa 
has had CF frame or fork failures, I haven't heard of them.  OTOH, 
Salsa had a steel fork recall awhile back.  IMO it's not the material 
but the integrity and expertise of the designer/builder.


And what would the nature of this due diligence on the part of the buyer 
/ owner be?



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Re: [RBW] Re: Kids Stuff - What child seat fits what bike?

[Dan McNamara]

I used a Bobike Mini on my 52 Bombadil. That bike (early version) had a 59
TT and I used Bosco bars with it. My PBH is 84.5 so there was plenty of
height clearance. The clearance to the nose of the saddle was good - I
never had a problem with feeling crowded. The Bobike is more upright than
the iBert which is a good thing for clearance.

Anyway, the front seat was great until she was 3 1/2 and then I stitched
her to the back of the Cheviot with a Yepp Maxi seat. She never liked the
Burley trailer.

A friend used the Bobike after we outgrew it and really liked it as well.
He used it on a threadless mountain bike.

Dan

San Rafael, CA



On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 11:16 AM EasyRider  wrote:

> Paul, I think you're wise to borrow one first. These front seats tend to
> work best with large frames/top tubes. If you are about my size (PBH ~79),
> you may decide to wait for the Rosco Bebe or to get that trailer a little
> sooner.
>
> I can only speak to the iBert, but after installing one on my Trek 950,
> which I think has a top tube around 57-58cm, there was hardly any room left
> between the nose of the saddle and the backside of the iBert. (It wasn't a
> "tight squeeze" it was a "there's no way I could ever fit in there" kind of
> space, and I'm a trim 155 lbs.) I'd have needed to lower my saddle way down
> so that I could safely straddle the bike and plop my dude in the seat and
> buckle him in. And then I'd be riding around with knees splayed and legs
> never fully extended. This the problem that the Rosco Bebe would address by
> having a "legendarily long top tube" and swept back bars.
>
> Pete
> Arlington, VA
>
> On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 11:19:55 AM UTC-4, Paul Clifton wrote:
>>
>> I know this topic comes up frequently. I've learned a lot from reading
>> previous threads, but with the impending BOSCO BEBE and an eight month old
>> who's anxious to get on a bike, I've got some decisions to make, and I'd
>> love some input.
>>
>> I'm pretty set on a front seat. It just seems like more fun. I'd love to
>> test a few seats out (front and back) before I buy anything, but I'm not
>> sure I have that option. Does anyone in the Atlanta area have a baby seat
>> or two I can test fit/test ride on a few different bikes? I'd really like
>> to test one of the Yepp models, but any seat I could try out would be
>> really helpful.
>>
>> My big question is, given my stable and the BOSCO BEBE, should I buy the
>> best seat for one of my current bikes, even if it's not the one I want, or
>> should I buy the seat I think I want, Yepp, mount it on a less than ideal
>> bike. Then shuffle the stable and the checkbook around till I get a bike
>> that works with the seat.
>>
>> I know the normal people answer is buy a seat for your current bike and
>> just ride, but I'm hoping to take lots of great rides over the next 2-3
>> years, so I can justify a dedicated bike/baby seat combo. I'm just not sure
>> what I want that to look like yet.
>>
>> Here's the bikes I've got that will work with a seat. Has anyone used a
>> front seat on any similar bikes? How'd it work out?
>>
>> 1. MTBUBBE - appears that the long head tube makes front seats less than
>> ideal. I'm not sure about the handling with an extra 20 lbs towards the
>> front.
>>
>> 2. 1984 Trek 720 - The frame is relatively light, but it rides well with
>> a load. The clamp spot for a front seat seems more reasonable, but it might
>> still be tight and the top tube is completely horizontal. I could try it
>> with riser bars instead of drops.
>>
>> 3. 1985 or so Peugeot MTB (Crazy Horse) - It's an 80s MTB. Super fun to
>> ride. No idea how the seat would fit and how it would handle. Any thoughts?
>>
>> 4. 90s Cannondale MTB - Pretty similar to the Peugeot, but nicer, newer
>> parts and a threadless stem.
>>
>> I'm not really interested in trailers right now, even though it's likely
>> that I'll use one eventually.
>>
>> Maybe a rear seat is the way to go?
>> Does anyone have any tips on how to determine whether a front seat will
>> work well on a particular bike?
>>
>> My guess is that in the end this is all pretty child-dependent, and I
>> shouldn't sink to much time and money into this until I know that my child
>> like to ride bikes. So maybe I just need to experiment a little bit. How
>> would y'all solve this "problem".
>>
>> Paul in ATL
>>
>> P.S. Anyone selling a used child seat in good condition? I'm your market.
>> DM me.
>>
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[RBW] Re: new bike day!!

[Belopsky]

I dont miss my Clem but I wish i had the clem H ;D

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Grant Petersen]

The YouTube style of riding has upped the requirements for bike and fork
testing, but the tests still aren't super reflective of how and why things
break in real life. ALL carbon frames and forks pass the tests, and yet
they continue to fail, because of the brittle nature of it and the
unpredictability of the forces. Airplane makers,. who test a LOT and have
gone ahead with carbon in certain applications, are now backing away. I am
not an airplane maker, but I also don't make up things.
Our testers in Taiwan--who also test bikes for tons of others--have a
fairly low opinion of the tests' ability to predict real actual performance
results. The FIRST generation Appaloosa forks came within 5 percent of
passing the toughest mountain bike test. The testers said, "It will never
break in use, but carbon forks that DO pass will."  We thickened the crown
and blades, anyway, so now--for better or worse--they pass. In real life
they're not any safer, but both are safer than carbon, because of how they
fail.
On any steel fork, if you ride with ear buds and never pay any attention,
you'll miss months of warnings, but eventually the noise or funny movement
will jerk you alert in time to save yourself.
In the carbon vs aluminum test--I'd still rather ride aluminum. It's a more
predictable and less brittle than carbon. You could throw in a cheap steel
fork from granpapa's Huffy, and it wouldn't pass the test, but it would
still be a safer fork, because of how steel fails. Cheap bike steel fails
in  impact and compression even better than good bike steel! But good bike
steel is easily good enough, and wins on other tests.
Many of you have seen our own fork tests. If you haven't, read the
disclaimer on page one, so you don't misunderstand the test.
https://vimeo.com/106021360


On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 10:40 AM, hugh flynn  wrote:

> Never has the phrase "your mileage may vary" had more meaning than in a
> discussion of the failure mode of carbon fiber bike parts...
>
> Hugh "fail gracefully" Flynn
> Newburyport, MA
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 1:38 PM masmojo  wrote:
>
>> Just saying we should be able to have a spirited discussion, be objective
>> and not take things personally.
>>
>> I am posting this link, but I should qualify that I am not trying to make
>> any particular point; just that I was somewhat surprised at the punishment
>> inflicted on  these CF frames. It made me sort of rethink my stance on CF a
>> little. Still, this video prompts a lot of questions in itself. It is
>> notable that when the carbon does fail, it does so spectacularly.
>>
>> https://youtu.be/w5eMMf11uhM
>>
>> I think . . . Well . . . Draw your own conclusions. :-)
>>
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[RBW] FS: 2016 Cheviot 60cm Orange

[Kiley Demond]

Frame is in very good condition. Only blemish is a chip from a car bike 
rack. Frame sale includes fork and bottom bracket. Also for sale are the 
components listed below which will be sold individually *after the sale of 
the frame* as frame buyer has first right of refusal. 

$850 frame only. $900 with the components listed below. Shipping within the 
continental U.S. capped at $50 (I pay anything over that). Frame is located 
in Prescott, AZ so there is a possiblity of meeting along interstate 40 or 
17 in AZ.

Shifters IRD Silver ratchet thumb shifters
Brakes Tektro 559 long reach
Derailleurs Shimano M591 (rear), Shimano Claris (front)
2 x 9, 11-32t with chain. Note: guard has crimp that needs to be hammered 
out
Sugino XD2 WIDE/LOW double 175

*Please PM me with all questions and comments.*

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Philip Williamson]

I see - some mixtes may not have enough seat post extension to drop. Makes 
sense. 
Hite rites! Every time I've seen a used hite rite for sale, it's been $15. 
For the last 30 years! It's been about 30 years since I rode with one, too. 

After riding with a remote dropper, after years of manually lowering my 
saddle for technical descents, and figuring that a saddle-mounted drop 
lever would be fine for my riding... I love the remote. The trail changes 
quickly, and I find it's useful to drop the saddle an inch for technical 
climbing, too, just to allow more 'english' on moving the bike around 
rocks. On unfamiliar trails, suddenly encountering a root ladder, the thumb 
lever is really nice. I don't need gears to mountain bike, or plus sized 
tires (they're nice), but that post is a game changer. It's not even 
bling-y, it's just whatever came on the base model Big Honzo. Which is why 
I'm adding one to a road bike that I want to be able to ride anywhere. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 5:06:19 PM UTC-7, iamkeith wrote:
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 5:10:40 PM UTC-6, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>> Why wouldn't a dropper post work on a mixte frame? 
>>
>> Philip 
>> Santa Rosa, CA
>>
>
> By nature, a dropper post needs a fair amount of extension above the top 
> of the seat tube in order to function. Grant said there would be tons of 
> standover clearance on the new bike, but I guess we don't really know what 
> that means.  If it was/is achieved by the "normal" mountain bike means of 
> radically-sloped top tube, short seat tube and lots of seatpost extension, 
> then a dropper would work.  But it seems like most of the Rivendell mixtes  
> I've seen (true mixtes with both mid- and seat- stays) have seat tubes that 
> are sized comparable to a road bike and, as a result, have very little 
> exposed seatpost in practice.  If anything (thinking of Grant's own 
> Cheviott) people often choose to size up on the frame, and then have even 
> less than normal seatpost extension.
>
> Grant's right though.  Hite Rite was actually the "first," and I'm glad to 
> know those are still available!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Kids Stuff - What child seat fits what bike?

[EasyRider]

Paul, I think you're wise to borrow one first. These front seats tend to 
work best with large frames/top tubes. If you are about my size (PBH ~79), 
you may decide to wait for the Rosco Bebe or to get that trailer a little 
sooner. 

I can only speak to the iBert, but after installing one on my Trek 950, 
which I think has a top tube around 57-58cm, there was hardly any room left 
between the nose of the saddle and the backside of the iBert. (It wasn't a 
"tight squeeze" it was a "there's no way I could ever fit in there" kind of 
space, and I'm a trim 155 lbs.) I'd have needed to lower my saddle way down 
so that I could safely straddle the bike and plop my dude in the seat and 
buckle him in. And then I'd be riding around with knees splayed and legs 
never fully extended. This the problem that the Rosco Bebe would address by 
having a "legendarily long top tube" and swept back bars.

Pete
Arlington, VA

On Tuesday, July 24, 2018 at 11:19:55 AM UTC-4, Paul Clifton wrote:
>
> I know this topic comes up frequently. I've learned a lot from reading 
> previous threads, but with the impending BOSCO BEBE and an eight month old 
> who's anxious to get on a bike, I've got some decisions to make, and I'd 
> love some input.
>
> I'm pretty set on a front seat. It just seems like more fun. I'd love to 
> test a few seats out (front and back) before I buy anything, but I'm not 
> sure I have that option. Does anyone in the Atlanta area have a baby seat 
> or two I can test fit/test ride on a few different bikes? I'd really like 
> to test one of the Yepp models, but any seat I could try out would be 
> really helpful.
>
> My big question is, given my stable and the BOSCO BEBE, should I buy the 
> best seat for one of my current bikes, even if it's not the one I want, or 
> should I buy the seat I think I want, Yepp, mount it on a less than ideal 
> bike. Then shuffle the stable and the checkbook around till I get a bike 
> that works with the seat.
>
> I know the normal people answer is buy a seat for your current bike and 
> just ride, but I'm hoping to take lots of great rides over the next 2-3 
> years, so I can justify a dedicated bike/baby seat combo. I'm just not sure 
> what I want that to look like yet.
>
> Here's the bikes I've got that will work with a seat. Has anyone used a 
> front seat on any similar bikes? How'd it work out?
>
> 1. MTBUBBE - appears that the long head tube makes front seats less than 
> ideal. I'm not sure about the handling with an extra 20 lbs towards the 
> front.
>
> 2. 1984 Trek 720 - The frame is relatively light, but it rides well with a 
> load. The clamp spot for a front seat seems more reasonable, but it might 
> still be tight and the top tube is completely horizontal. I could try it 
> with riser bars instead of drops.
>
> 3. 1985 or so Peugeot MTB (Crazy Horse) - It's an 80s MTB. Super fun to 
> ride. No idea how the seat would fit and how it would handle. Any thoughts?
>
> 4. 90s Cannondale MTB - Pretty similar to the Peugeot, but nicer, newer 
> parts and a threadless stem.
>
> I'm not really interested in trailers right now, even though it's likely 
> that I'll use one eventually.
>
> Maybe a rear seat is the way to go?
> Does anyone have any tips on how to determine whether a front seat will 
> work well on a particular bike?
>
> My guess is that in the end this is all pretty child-dependent, and I 
> shouldn't sink to much time and money into this until I know that my child 
> like to ride bikes. So maybe I just need to experiment a little bit. How 
> would y'all solve this "problem".
>
> Paul in ATL
>
> P.S. Anyone selling a used child seat in good condition? I'm your market. 
> DM me.
>

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Re: [RBW] Outside article on CF

[Ryan M.]

Dang, that's a bad crack. Hey, we have the same year and color Trek Fuel 
Ex. 

I have a Niner Sir9 which hasn't shown a crack but the frames have been 
known to develop issues in the seat stays near the seat tube. I keep an eye 
on it. Hopefully if it ever does crack, bend, or otherwise show signs of 
failure Niner will do me right. 

On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 12:29:31 PM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote:

> Somewhat germane to this topic, I recently discovered that my steel Niner 
> mtb frame was nearly cracked through at head tube, while the generic 
> Chinese carbon fork was fine. 
>
> https://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2018/07/rip-ros.html?m=1
>
> Though to the frame’s credit, I did find the crack before the head tube 
> sheared off. 
>
> Eric
>
> On Thursday, July 26, 2018, jack loudon > 
> wrote:
>
>> Like Joe and Patrick, I also think CF *can* be safe but the buyer/owner 
>> needs to do a lot more due diligence than when buying steel.  Because the 
>> consequences of CF failure are so great, sloppy design and construction 
>> simply can't be tolerated.  I would tend to trust company like Salsa (for 
>> instance) because their CF frames seem to emphasize strength over extreme 
>> light weight.  Their Cutthroat has had plenty of testing on the Tour Divide 
>> and other races, and if Salsa has had CF frame or fork failures, I haven't 
>> heard of them.  OTOH, Salsa had a steel fork recall awhile back.  IMO it's 
>> not the material but the integrity and expertise of the designer/builder.  
>>
>> Jack
>> Seattle
>>
>> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 8:36:48 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Patrick, I think the answer is maybe. If you buy a high-end CF bike from 
>>> someone like Calfee who knows what they're doing, I think it would be safe 
>>> IF you don't bang it on something and IF it's inspected regularly. But it's 
>>> still not going to be a race car that, if it fails, spins around and clouts 
>>> a tire wall while you're belted in with a full-face helmet. For me I would 
>>> definitely ride a Calfee frame, but the steering system has to be metal. I 
>>> need those bars in my hands, and that front wheel in its proper location 
>>> and rolling. I don't trust carbon to do that. 
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[RBW] Re: Anyone tried Brooks rubber Cambium bartape?

[Lum Gim Fong]

Also remember I am asking about the rubber cambium, not the cambium that is 
same texture as the cambium saddles.  See link above. I am afraid we will get 
mixed up since the names are similar. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[hugh flynn]

Never has the phrase "your mileage may vary" had more meaning than in a
discussion of the failure mode of carbon fiber bike parts...

Hugh "fail gracefully" Flynn
Newburyport, MA


On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 1:38 PM masmojo  wrote:

> Just saying we should be able to have a spirited discussion, be objective
> and not take things personally.
>
> I am posting this link, but I should qualify that I am not trying to make
> any particular point; just that I was somewhat surprised at the punishment
> inflicted on  these CF frames. It made me sort of rethink my stance on CF a
> little. Still, this video prompts a lot of questions in itself. It is
> notable that when the carbon does fail, it does so spectacularly.
>
> https://youtu.be/w5eMMf11uhM
>
> I think . . . Well . . . Draw your own conclusions. :-)
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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[masmojo]

Just saying we should be able to have a spirited discussion, be objective and 
not take things personally.

I am posting this link, but I should qualify that I am not trying to make any 
particular point; just that I was somewhat surprised at the punishment 
inflicted on  these CF frames. It made me sort of rethink my stance on CF a 
little. Still, this video prompts a lot of questions in itself. It is notable 
that when the carbon does fail, it does so spectacularly.

https://youtu.be/w5eMMf11uhM

I think . . . Well . . . Draw your own conclusions. :-)

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Re: [RBW] Outside article on CF

[Eric Daume]

Somewhat germane to this topic, I recently discovered that my steel Niner
mtb frame was nearly cracked through at head tube, while the generic
Chinese carbon fork was fine.

https://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2018/07/rip-ros.html?m=1

Though to the frame’s credit, I did find the crack before the head tube
sheared off.

Eric

On Thursday, July 26, 2018, jack loudon  wrote:

> Like Joe and Patrick, I also think CF *can* be safe but the buyer/owner
> needs to do a lot more due diligence than when buying steel.  Because the
> consequences of CF failure are so great, sloppy design and construction
> simply can't be tolerated.  I would tend to trust company like Salsa (for
> instance) because their CF frames seem to emphasize strength over extreme
> light weight.  Their Cutthroat has had plenty of testing on the Tour Divide
> and other races, and if Salsa has had CF frame or fork failures, I haven't
> heard of them.  OTOH, Salsa had a steel fork recall awhile back.  IMO it's
> not the material but the integrity and expertise of the designer/builder.
>
> Jack
> Seattle
>
> On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 8:36:48 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Patrick, I think the answer is maybe. If you buy a high-end CF bike from
>> someone like Calfee who knows what they're doing, I think it would be safe
>> IF you don't bang it on something and IF it's inspected regularly. But it's
>> still not going to be a race car that, if it fails, spins around and clouts
>> a tire wall while you're belted in with a full-face helmet. For me I would
>> definitely ride a Calfee frame, but the steering system has to be metal. I
>> need those bars in my hands, and that front wheel in its proper location
>> and rolling. I don't trust carbon to do that.
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[RBW] Re: Anyone tried Brooks rubber Cambium bartape?

[Jon BALER]

The ESI RCT tape is very nice.  Supposedly you can unwrap after extended 
use, and rewrap again with no deformation.

I have the Brooks cambium on my Rosco, and it seems nice so far.

On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 1:00:13 PM UTC-4, Christopher Cote wrote:
>
> Has anyone tried the RCT wrap from ESI? I put a set of their grips on one 
> of my mountain bikes recently, and I'm really liking them. Curious if the 
> bar tape is as good.
>
> Chris
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[RBW] Re: Anyone tried Brooks rubber Cambium bartape?

[Christopher Cote]

Has anyone tried the RCT wrap from ESI? I put a set of their grips on one of my 
mountain bikes recently, and I'm really liking them. Curious if the bar tape is 
as good.

Chris

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[RBW] Re: In Japan! Any recommendations?

[Brad]

This doesn't answer your question at all, but sort of relates to bikes in 
Tokyo:

About 15 years ago, I was in Tokyo working on a photo shoot. One of the 
Japanese photo assistants was a young guy who went to school in NYC and 
rode his bike to the shoot every day. I asked him lots of questions about 
riding in Tokyo. This was before smartphones and I was impressed that he 
could navigate the city (I'd gotten really lost going running). NJS gear 
was getting popular in the states, so I asked him if he ever went to Keirin 
races. He looked confused. Finally, he answered that he didn't really think 
of Keirin races as cycling, that he associated them more with old drunk men 
and gambling. 

One of my favorite spots in Tokyo is the Meguro Parasitological Museum, but 
I have weird taste in tourist spots.

Brad
Queens

On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 12:07:24 PM UTC-4, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> We'll be bikeless, and will be in Tyoko for a week then Kyoto.
>
> Blug Lug, Sim Works watch a Kerin race, planning on taking a tile class in 
> Kyoto. 
>
> Any other recommendations of things to see or do?
>
> Anyone in Japan that would like to have coffee?
>
>
> Manny 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: New Bike Touring Stuffs -- Ortlieb Panniers + Big Agnes Tent

[Jack K]

Big Agnes tent is sold. Ortlieb Bikepacker Plus panniers still available.

-Jack K.

On Friday, July 20, 2018 at 9:49:44 AM UTC-4, Jack K wrote:
>
> Greetings touring Riv-folk,
>
> Leftovers from my FS post last week...  I have a couple of high-end bike 
> touring items I bought, but won't be using, that I'd like to turn back into 
> cash (to purchase other bike bits no doubt!). The following panniers and 
> tent are for sale:
>
>- *NEW “Old Style” Ortlieb Bikepacker Plus Rear Panniers:* Black, 
>extra $ “Plus” model with lighter weight 100% waterproof fabric. Older 
>version with very useful exterior mesh pockets and 2 horizontal + 2 
>vertical compression straps that are lacking on current model. New, merely 
>stuffed with pillows for a test fit in my living room then stored in my 
>closet. 42 liters, QL1 mounting hardware. Current model MSRP $240.  *$165 
>+ actual shipping*
>
>
>- *NEW Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL2 (Stealth Olive Color):*  *Price 
>Reduced!*
>High quality ultralight 2 person tent by Big Agnes -- 3 lbs 1 oz with 
>all poles, lines, stakes and stuff bags. Latest HV version, which is 
>consistently rated as one of the best ultralight bike touring and 
>backpacking tents available. Set up once in my living room to measure for 
> a 
>homemade footprint, but otherwise unused. I love this tent! This is a 
>little ridiculous, but I decided I wanted the high-visibility orange 
> color, 
>rather than the stealth gray/green. See it here: 
>https://www.rei.com/product/110209/big-agnes-copper-spur-hv-ul-2-ten 
>t 
>  $450 at REI, but can be found for somewhat less around the web.*  
>$350 + $14 shipping *
>
> Cheers,
>
> -Jack K.
> Raleigh, NC
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Outside article on CF

[jack loudon]

Like Joe and Patrick, I also think CF *can* be safe but the buyer/owner 
needs to do a lot more due diligence than when buying steel.  Because the 
consequences of CF failure are so great, sloppy design and construction 
simply can't be tolerated.  I would tend to trust company like Salsa (for 
instance) because their CF frames seem to emphasize strength over extreme 
light weight.  Their Cutthroat has had plenty of testing on the Tour Divide 
and other races, and if Salsa has had CF frame or fork failures, I haven't 
heard of them.  OTOH, Salsa had a steel fork recall awhile back.  IMO it's 
not the material but the integrity and expertise of the designer/builder.  

Jack
Seattle

On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 8:36:48 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Patrick, I think the answer is maybe. If you buy a high-end CF bike from 
> someone like Calfee who knows what they're doing, I think it would be safe 
> IF you don't bang it on something and IF it's inspected regularly. But it's 
> still not going to be a race car that, if it fails, spins around and clouts 
> a tire wall while you're belted in with a full-face helmet. For me I would 
> definitely ride a Calfee frame, but the steering system has to be metal. I 
> need those bars in my hands, and that front wheel in its proper location 
> and rolling. I don't trust carbon to do that. 

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[RBW] Re: In Japan! Any recommendations?

[Grant @ Rivendell]

My favorite non-Blue Lug store in Tokyo is Water Dog Garden in..Musashino? 
But you  have to like dogs.

On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 9:07:24 AM UTC-7, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> We'll be bikeless, and will be in Tyoko for a week then Kyoto.
>
> Blug Lug, Sim Works watch a Kerin race, planning on taking a tile class in 
> Kyoto. 
>
> Any other recommendations of things to see or do?
>
> Anyone in Japan that would like to have coffee?
>
>
> Manny 
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone tried Brooks rubber Cambium bartape?

[Jim M.]

In a recent Blahg, Grant plugged Arundel, https://www.arundelbike.com/. 
They make Gecko tape, which is my favorite padded tape. 

On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 7:52:57 AM UTC-7, Arthur Mayfield wrote:
>
> I should add that Cinelli "cork" tape is about the most comfortable I've 
> used, other than the VO elkhide sew on wrap (which has been OOS for so long 
> I'm thinking it may be discontinued).
>
>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Outside article on CF

[Ryan Merrill]

I used to have a carbon Trek Emonda but stopped riding on the road so I sold it 
to a friend who is still riding it and loves it. I currently have a Kona carbon 
cyclocross bike and a Santa Cruz Hightower carbon MTB. They do their jobs well, 
are fun to ride, and have held up.  I personally would steer clear of cheap 
Chinese carbon stuff but in my experience the bikes made today work well. I’ve 
crashed that cyclocross bike at least fifty times while training or racing and 
it really doesn’t even have a scratch. I’d also steer clear of carbon wheels if 
you are using rim brakes. They just don’t stop as well.

I know a lot of local riders who ride carbon framed bikes and can’t think of 
one of them with a failure because it was carbon. 

But, I would prefer steel for everything, not from a safety perspective but 
more from ride quality and aesthetics. I do think steel is more durable too. 

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[RBW] Re: In Japan! Any recommendations?

[Justin, Oakland]

I believe there’s an intense heat wave right now! Stay cool friend!

-J

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[RBW] Re: In Japan! Any recommendations?

[Bob B]

I went to Blue Lug Hatagaya a few months ago. Tons of Rivendells, Nitto 
galore, cool bike knick knacks, bells/whistles, tshirts etc. They also have 
LUG Hatagaya, a cafe/restaurant/bar around the corner, nice vibes. Hatagaya 
is pretty residential so for a tourist not much else to do out there, but 
not a far train/bus ride from Shinjuku.

Not bike related: Possibly my favorite cafe on earth would be Lion 
. In Shibuya. You have to be quiet inside, 
because they have an ongoing program of classical music on vinyl played 
through a spectacular custom 2-story sound system.

Bob B
Brooklyn, NY


On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 10:46:34 AM UTC-4, phil k wrote:
>
> Going to Japan & S Korea for my honeymoon in a few months. I've never been 
> to Japan, but we've gotten a few things planned:
>
> Tokyo-
> Visit Meiji Shrine
> Toyusu Fish market
> Imperial Palace
> Studio Ghibli Museum (need to get tickets in advance I hear)
> Anata No Warehouse (arcade)
> Cofffee Elementary
> HArmonica Alley
>
> Kyoto-
> Inari Shrine
> Grand Bois cycles
>
> Might try to take a day trip to Kamakaru. Luckily the airbnb we're staying 
> at is part of the j-train network so we're just getting a rail pass, which 
> will cover us locally, but also get us out to kyoto & kamakura.
>
> Phil
> Arlington, VA
>
> On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 12:07:24 PM UTC-4, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>>
>> We'll be bikeless, and will be in Tyoko for a week then Kyoto.
>>
>> Blug Lug, Sim Works watch a Kerin race, planning on taking a tile class 
>> in Kyoto. 
>>
>> Any other recommendations of things to see or do?
>>
>> Anyone in Japan that would like to have coffee?
>>
>>
>> Manny 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: A Mid Summer's House Cleaning; Nitto Paul Swift Sackville Revelate vintage XTR

[ant ritchey]

Updated list of available items:

-Swift Fabio's Chest, large. From the latest run. <25 miles use. Excellent 
condition. $245
-Swift Fabio's Chest, small. From the latest run. <25 miles use. Excellent 
condition. $235
-Nitto 34f "Big Front Rack", very good condition. Big P clamps for for 
blade-mounting included. $165
-Sackville Backabike bags, tans, never used and in perfect condition. 
$165/pair
-Nitto Bullmoose, Riv-spec, fillet brazed. Excellent condition. $130
-Nitto Crystal Fellow 65 seat post, 27.2 X 200mm, very good condition. $50
-Paul levers, silver. Short pull. New-in-packaging. $100/pair
-Paul/Nitto canti kit: 2 Neo Retros, silver; 2 Moon Units, silver; 1 pair 
aul Rack Adapter bolts, 1 Nitto rear cable hanger w/ barrel adjuster. Very 
good condition.
 Over $300 worth of beautiful bits here. No pads or straddle wires, all 
other Paul-specific hardware included. $175 
-Schwalbe Big Apple 700 X 60, wire bead, good condition. $25/pair

>
> Prices do not include shipping. Everything will go out USPS 
> slowest/cheapest to keep the expenses down. Happy to ship via other methods 
> if you prefer.
> Paypal preferred, but please factor in & cover fees if you're opposed to 
> sending the funds Friends & Fam-style. Venmo is cool, too.
> Not looking for trades with few exceptions - 650b disc wheelset or 
> road/rando frame for a PBH of 95 (64cm frames need not apply)
>
> Thanks for checking it out!
> -Ant Ritchey / Portland Oregon
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: A Mid Summer's House Cleaning; Nitto Paul Swift Sackville Revelate vintage XTR

[ant ritchey]

Hey Chris!

Hope this photo helps...


On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 6:30:50 PM UTC-7, ant ritchey wrote:
>
> This indefatigable building, testing and dialing in of the last dirt 
> tourer build accrued many bags, bars and accessories. I've got the thing 
> completely where I want it, so moving these things along to fund what will 
> very likely be another long, drawn out process of deep bicycle nerdery in 
> the N+1 infinitum contingent. Lots of high quality items here. Everything 
> is in incredible shape except where noted. Let me know if I've forgotten to 
> list pertinent information. Happy to provide pictures upon request;  I'd 
> prefer to do so by text if possible but email is fine, too. Hopefully have 
> enough time in the next few days to snap some shots of everything but for 
> now, as mentioned, the goods are in good shape. Here goes... 
>
> -Compass Rat Trap Pass, tan wall, standard casing <50 miles. Excellent 
> condition. $100/pair
> -Swift Fabio's Chest, large. From the latest run. <25 miles use. Excellent 
> condition. $245
> -Swift Fabio's Chest, small. From the latest run. <25 miles use. Excellent 
> condition. $235
> -Nitto 34f "Big Front Rack", very good condition. Big P clamps for for 
> blade-mounting included. $165
> -Nitto Hub Area racks, MF1; the hoopless design. Excellent condition. Can 
> include any set of P clamps ya need. $100/set
> -Sackville Hub Area bags, tan, good condition. $90/pair
> -Sackville Backabike bags, tans, never used and in perfect condition. 
> $165/pair
> -Nitto Albastache, excellent condition. $65
> -Nitto Bullmoose, Riv-spec, fillet brazed. Excellent condition. $130
> -Nitto Crystal Fellow 65 seat post, 27.2 X 200mm, very good condition. $50
> -Paul levers, silver. Short pull. New-in-packaging. $100/pair
> -Paul/Nitto canti kit: 2 Neo Retros, silver; 2 Moon Units, silver; 1 pair 
> aul Rack Adapter bolts, 1 Nitto rear cable hanger w/ barrel adjuster. Very 
> good condition.
>  Over $300 worth of beautiful bits here. No pads or straddle wires, all 
> other Paul-specific hardware included. $175 
> -XTR M950 V brakes & levers. Very good condition. Coolest flat bar levers 
> ever made!!!
>  (FYI-No bolts included for mounting brake arms to post...disappeared) 
> $125 for the set
> -Revelate Sweet Roll, medium. Good condition. Rubbing on a longer tour 
> cause one strap to tear, though the tear is near the end and is still full 
> functional. $60
> -Hold Fast straps, solid olive, excellent condition. As once sold by Velo 
> Orange. MUSA. $30/pair
> -Schwalbe Big Apple 700 X 60, wire bead, good condition. $25/pair
>
> Prices do not include shipping. Everything will go out USPS 
> slowest/cheapest to keep the expenses down. Happy to ship via other methods 
> if you prefer.
> Paypal preferred, but please factor in & cover fees if you're opposed to 
> sending the funds Friends & Fam-style. Venmo is cool, too.
> Not looking for trades with few exceptions - 650b disc wheelset or 
> road/rando frame for a PBH of 95 (64cm frames need not apply)
>
> Thanks for checking it out!
> -Ant Ritchey / Portland Oregon
>

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[RBW] Re: new bike day!!

[Adam Leibow]

thanks for the words everybody!

Joe, the way Compass names their tires, one name=one size, so antelope 
hill=700cx55, switchback hill=650bx48, rat trap pass=26"x2.3, etc etc. 
there are plenty of 650b options. 

Justin, go for it. only perceivable difference is long wheelbase versus 
shorter wheelbase, no?

Lester, I have the Billie bars on my Sam Hillborne and I've thought about 
getting Wavie bars for it (when they come out), and putting the Billie bars 
on this. We'll see what happens. 



On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 2:41:52 PM UTC-7, Adam Leibow wrote:
>
> hello fellow riv fans. i got a new riv on saturday and built it up on 
> sunday (yesterday). i rode it to work this morning & it's real nice! 
>
> Highlights include:
> Compass 700x55 antelope hills (really amazing)
> Paul v brakes & levers
> Son dynamo hub & light
> Velocity cliffhanger rims
> Deerhead shifters
> XT derailment worldwide
>
> This bike received the créme of the crop parts list from my Hunqapillar 
> (recently sold to a lister).
>
> I stole the fillet brazed nitto bullmoose bars from my Cheviot but will 
> likely put them back - this bike has +5cm ETT on the Cheviot, & I am not 
> sure which way to go for bars yet. 
>
>
> behold, 
>
>
> 
>
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[RBW] Re: Motolite or other v-brake clearance

[MartyG]

Ryan, Clayton, both comments help a lot guys - thanks. 

On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 11:08:08 AM UTC-4, Ryan M. wrote:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4sTtpT3mRs
>
> here is a youtube video where Paul goes through the motolite and near the 
> end he does some measurements. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Outside article on CF

[Joe Bernard]

Patrick, I think the answer is maybe. If you buy a high-end CF bike from 
someone like Calfee who knows what they're doing, I think it would be safe IF 
you don't bang it on something and IF it's inspected regularly. But it's still 
not going to be a race car that, if it fails, spins around and clouts a tire 
wall while you're belted in with a full-face helmet. For me I would definitely 
ride a Calfee frame, but the steering system has to be metal. I need those bars 
in my hands, and that front wheel in its proper location and rolling. I don't 
trust carbon to do that. 

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Re: [RBW] Outside article on CF

[Jim Bronson]

What about a carbon fiber frame with a steel fork?  You'd shore up the part
that arguably has the highest consequence were it to fail, but you could
still have all the manufacturing flexibility one gets with carbon fiber,
i.e., making frames in strange shapes and so forth.

Not to say I'd buy one, I'm happy with my fully steel bikes, but it seems
like it would improve on the safety of a bike that was otherwise mostly
carbon fiber.

-Jim

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 2:24 PM Leslie  wrote:

> Given our perspectives on steel, carbon fiber, and bicycles, I thought
> this was a relevant article to share here:
>
> https://www.outsideonline.com/2311816/carbon-fiber-bike-accidents-lawsuits
>
>
>
>
> -L
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[RBW] Re: new bike day!!

[Lester Lammers]

Very nice Adam. You may want to consider the Billie bars. More swept back 
than the Albatross and seem like they would be good with the longer ETT. 

On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 5:41:52 PM UTC-4, Adam Leibow wrote:
>
> hello fellow riv fans. i got a new riv on saturday and built it up on 
> sunday (yesterday). i rode it to work this morning & it's real nice! 
>
> Highlights include:
> Compass 700x55 antelope hills (really amazing)
> Paul v brakes & levers
> Son dynamo hub & light
> Velocity cliffhanger rims
> Deerhead shifters
> XT derailment worldwide
>
> This bike received the créme of the crop parts list from my Hunqapillar 
> (recently sold to a lister).
>
> I stole the fillet brazed nitto bullmoose bars from my Cheviot but will 
> likely put them back - this bike has +5cm ETT on the Cheviot, & I am not 
> sure which way to go for bars yet. 
>
>
> behold, 
>
>
> 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Outside article on CF

[Patrick Moore]

This is interesting. The article goes on to say, in effect, that well
designed cf parts are perfectly safe -- ie, that if you pay enough for your
cf bit, you'll be fine. Is this a pretty good rule of thumb? I personally
have at least toyed with the idea of getting CF rims (after watching the
Danny MaCaskill video!) or even a frame.

On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 2:01 AM, Nick Payne  wrote:

> Well, CF frames and components are certainly not as forgiving of
> ham-fisted mechanics. With steel frames and aluminium components, I never
> bothered with a torque wrench. Not so with CF Components.
>
> Nick
>
> On Thursday, 26 July 2018 05:24:48 UTC+10, Leslie wrote:
>>
>> Given our perspectives on steel, carbon fiber, and bicycles, I thought
>> this was a relevant article to share here:
>>
>> https://www.outsideonline.com/2311816/carbon-fiber-bike-acci
>> dents-lawsuits
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -L
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS Acorn bags

[Steve Butcher]

Better photos.  I hope this helps. See above for prices.

On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 5:02:48 AM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
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>
> 
>
>
> 
> Hello folks.  Continuing to sort out redundancy in my bike bags and have 
> decided to offer for sale my Acorn saddlebag size large and  Acorn 
> handlebar bag.  They are both olive color.  I purchased both bags new and 
> have stored them indoors since obtaining them.  They are both in excellent 
> lightly used condition.  The stitching, rivets, straps, and material are 
> undamaged.  I'd like to sell them together as a set for $190.00 shipped 
> CONUS.  Please send my private message if you have any questions.  Please 
> pardon my blurry cell phone photos.  The color of canvas in both bags in 
> identical.
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[RBW] Re: Motolite or other v-brake clearance

[Ryan M.]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W4sTtpT3mRs

here is a youtube video where Paul goes through the motolite and near the 
end he does some measurements. 

On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 6:40:10 AM UTC-5, MartyG wrote:

> Considering a brake change. Can someone tell me what the distance is from 
> the center of the canti post to the crossover between arms? I could not 
> find info about the max tire size. I want to see if the 700c G1s will fit 
> using Motolites or any other v-brake. Not worried about fenders at the 
> moment, but would be nice if the arms are tall enough. Thanks! 
>
> Marty
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[RBW] Motolite or other v-brake clearance

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

My long Pauls are about 3.5” from center of pad carrier to center of the 
straddle cable, but the noodle carrier sits lower, about a 1/2” clear above my 
2.35 “ low knobbies. 

Clayton
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[RBW] Re: Anyone tried Brooks rubber Cambium bartape?

[Arthur Mayfield]

I should add that Cinelli "cork" tape is about the most comfortable I've 
used, other than the VO elkhide sew on wrap (which has been OOS for so long 
I'm thinking it may be discontinued).


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[RBW] Re: Anyone tried Brooks rubber Cambium bartape?

[Arthur Mayfield]

You won't get "cush" with the Cambium tape. It's hard as a rock and is so 
stiff it doesn't wrap well (unless they've improved it since a couple of 
years ago). It's also quite abrasive to the hand. All in all, it was one of 
the biggest wastes of money I've ever made on cycling gear (and I've made 
some big ones). I was really disappointed, since I love my Cambium saddles 
and was hoping to match.


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[RBW] Re: In Japan! Any recommendations?

[phil k]

Going to Japan & S Korea for my honeymoon in a few months. I've never been 
to Japan, but we've gotten a few things planned:

Tokyo-
Visit Meiji Shrine
Toyusu Fish market
Imperial Palace
Studio Ghibli Museum (need to get tickets in advance I hear)
Anata No Warehouse (arcade)
Cofffee Elementary
HArmonica Alley

Kyoto-
Inari Shrine
Grand Bois cycles

Might try to take a day trip to Kamakaru. Luckily the airbnb we're staying 
at is part of the j-train network so we're just getting a rail pass, which 
will cover us locally, but also get us out to kyoto & kamakura.

Phil
Arlington, VA

On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 12:07:24 PM UTC-4, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> We'll be bikeless, and will be in Tyoko for a week then Kyoto.
>
> Blug Lug, Sim Works watch a Kerin race, planning on taking a tile class in 
> Kyoto. 
>
> Any other recommendations of things to see or do?
>
> Anyone in Japan that would like to have coffee?
>
>
> Manny 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: A Mid Summer's House Cleaning; Nitto Paul Swift Sackville Revelate vintage XTR

[MartyG]

Sending a PM for the brakes

-XTR M950 V brakes & levers. Very good condition. Coolest flat bar levers 
> ever made!!!
>  (FYI-No bolts included for mounting brake arms to post...disappeared) 
> $125 for the set
>
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[RBW] Anyone tried Brooks rubber Cambium bartape?

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Due to carpal tunnel, and several surgeries, I use Grab On foam ‘slide on’ drop 
bar grips, covered with Lizard Skins thickest tape. My tape is about three 
years old and still looks new. The first time I installed it, I ruined it by 
pulling too tight when wrapping. If you go to my Instagram page, 
#DirtDanceDesigns, I just posted a picture with marks on my hand that my doctor 
drew on, where to NOT put pressure on your hands to prevent nerve damage. If 
you look at photos of my Atlantis, you can get an idea on how fat my bars are. 

Clayton
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[RBW] Re: In Japan! Any recommendations?

[Takashi]

Hi Manny,

Last time I visited Kyoto I saw many cafe shops that seemed like they 
opened recently, so you will have many options.
I had limited time in Kyoto so I can't say about where you should see, but 
any temples and shrines, even non-famous ones, should be worth a visit.

If you have extra time in Tokyo, you might enjoy taking Yamanote Line 
train, get off at random station, and taking a walk around the station.
It's interesting to see sceneries and atmospheres vary from one station to 
another, though they are located pretty close to each other (less than a 
mile).

If you're coming in summer, be prepared for humidity.
Temperature is generally lower than in California, but humidity easily hits 
80%.
When are you coming?
Tokyo and Kyoto are both far away from where I live (Nagano), but it will 
be great if my work schedule allows to meet you.

Takashi

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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks saddle turning into a banana

[Ron Mc]

ps - the blue (looks black) brooks rode through a forced monsoon rain, came 
out just like you're describing, and returned to original shape with 
lacing.  

On Thursday, July 26, 2018 at 7:51:55 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> I recommend using the stretch bolt and lacing as below - 
>
>   
> 
>
> this will get you a few more thousand miles before you have to replace 
> it.  
> You can also use a toe strap behind the seat post to take some of the 
> flare from the sides between rides.  
>
> 
>
> This saddle is pushing 20,000 mi - with the lacing it doesn't need the toe 
> strap - just took the photo to demonstrate to someone else how to do it.  
> 
>
>  
>
>
>
> If you just use the stretch bolt without lacing, you'll get a center ridge 
> like this online photo.  
> The point of lacing is to eliminate the side flaring.  
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: A Mid Summer's House Cleaning; Nitto Paul Swift Sackville Revelate vintage XTR

[Pondero]

Ant,

Are the Paul levers the shorter, or longer, length ones?

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas


On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 8:30:50 PM UTC-5, ant ritchey wrote:
>
> This indefatigable building, testing and dialing in of the last dirt 
> tourer build accrued many bags, bars and accessories. I've got the thing 
> completely where I want it, so moving these things along to fund what will 
> very likely be another long, drawn out process of deep bicycle nerdery in 
> the N+1 infinitum contingent. Lots of high quality items here. Everything 
> is in incredible shape except where noted. Let me know if I've forgotten to 
> list pertinent information. Happy to provide pictures upon request;  I'd 
> prefer to do so by text if possible but email is fine, too. Hopefully have 
> enough time in the next few days to snap some shots of everything but for 
> now, as mentioned, the goods are in good shape. Here goes... 
>
> -Compass Rat Trap Pass, tan wall, standard casing <50 miles. Excellent 
> condition. $100/pair
> -Swift Fabio's Chest, large. From the latest run. <25 miles use. Excellent 
> condition. $245
> -Swift Fabio's Chest, small. From the latest run. <25 miles use. Excellent 
> condition. $235
> -Nitto 34f "Big Front Rack", very good condition. Big P clamps for for 
> blade-mounting included. $165
> -Nitto Hub Area racks, MF1; the hoopless design. Excellent condition. Can 
> include any set of P clamps ya need. $100/set
> -Sackville Hub Area bags, tan, good condition. $90/pair
> -Sackville Backabike bags, tans, never used and in perfect condition. 
> $165/pair
> -Nitto Albastache, excellent condition. $65
> -Nitto Bullmoose, Riv-spec, fillet brazed. Excellent condition. $130
> -Nitto Crystal Fellow 65 seat post, 27.2 X 200mm, very good condition. $50
> -Paul levers, silver. Short pull. New-in-packaging. $100/pair
> -Paul/Nitto canti kit: 2 Neo Retros, silver; 2 Moon Units, silver; 1 pair 
> aul Rack Adapter bolts, 1 Nitto rear cable hanger w/ barrel adjuster. Very 
> good condition.
>  Over $300 worth of beautiful bits here. No pads or straddle wires, all 
> other Paul-specific hardware included. $175 
> -XTR M950 V brakes & levers. Very good condition. Coolest flat bar levers 
> ever made!!!
>  (FYI-No bolts included for mounting brake arms to post...disappeared) 
> $125 for the set
> -Revelate Sweet Roll, medium. Good condition. Rubbing on a longer tour 
> cause one strap to tear, though the tear is near the end and is still full 
> functional. $60
> -Hold Fast straps, solid olive, excellent condition. As once sold by Velo 
> Orange. MUSA. $30/pair
> -Schwalbe Big Apple 700 X 60, wire bead, good condition. $25/pair
>
> Prices do not include shipping. Everything will go out USPS 
> slowest/cheapest to keep the expenses down. Happy to ship via other methods 
> if you prefer.
> Paypal preferred, but please factor in & cover fees if you're opposed to 
> sending the funds Friends & Fam-style. Venmo is cool, too.
> Not looking for trades with few exceptions - 650b disc wheelset or 
> road/rando frame for a PBH of 95 (64cm frames need not apply)
>
> Thanks for checking it out!
> -Ant Ritchey / Portland Oregon
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks saddle turning into a banana

[Ron Mc]

I recommend using the stretch bolt and lacing as below - 

  


this will get you a few more thousand miles before you have to replace it.  
You can also use a toe strap behind the seat post to take some of the flare 
from the sides between rides.  



This saddle is pushing 20,000 mi - with the lacing it doesn't need the toe 
strap - just took the photo to demonstrate to someone else how to do it.  


 



If you just use the stretch bolt without lacing, you'll get a center ridge 
like this online photo.  
The point of lacing is to eliminate the side flaring.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks saddle turning into a banana

[Ed Fausto]

Same here but instead of plastic bags i keep spare shower caps handy that I
get from hotels.

On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 8:34 PM, Lester Lammers 
wrote:

> I keep plastic bags handy to fully cover the saddle in the rain.
>
> On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 11:59:13 PM UTC-4, Jim S. wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I have been touring, and yesterday it rained quite a bit. My B17 seems to
>> have developed quite a curve, upsloping front and back, or sagging in the
>> middle. Is this unusual? Is it bad? Just curious about what board members
>> think. Thanks.
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[RBW] Re: Brooks saddle turning into a banana

[Lester Lammers]

I keep plastic bags handy to fully cover the saddle in the rain. 

On Monday, July 23, 2018 at 11:59:13 PM UTC-4, Jim S. wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have been touring, and yesterday it rained quite a bit. My B17 seems to 
> have developed quite a curve, upsloping front and back, or sagging in the 
> middle. Is this unusual? Is it bad? Just curious about what board members 
> think. Thanks.
>

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[RBW] Re: Anyone tried Brooks rubber Cambium bartape?

[Lester Lammers]

I like the Planet Bike gel tape. Cushy and no gooey residue when removed. 
About $15.

On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 4:22:05 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> I need cush.
>
> I like Lizard Skins the best for comfort but it is coming apart after less 
> than 1,000 miles, American.
>
> I used to use gel under cotton, but not doing that anymore.
>
> Anyone tried the Brooks rubber bartape? 
> https://www.brooksengland.com/en_us/cambium-rubber-1-1.html
>
> I need a 4.5mm bartape. Not sure if Cambium is.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Ryan Merrill]

Here is another one. The guy goes down at around the 8 minute mark from a 
busted handlebar. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw5QQyJSyso

On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 9:07:46 PM UTC-5, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Like this: https://youtu.be/6QBRjp9-uJg ?
>
> No thanks. Might work, might not. When it lets go is not science, just 
> fate. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 2:43:06 PM UTC-4, Ryan M. wrote:
>>
>> I've seen a friend at a local mountain bike race break a carbon handlebar 
>> while in a full sprint. It wasn't pretty. 
>>
>> I'm totally on board with a steel mtb with a nice steel fork, good 
>> geometry, and just a rideable trail bike that I can have until I pass from 
>> this world. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, July 25, 2018 at 1:31:59 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I'll accept CF frames even if I don't have a particular taste for them. 
>>> I still think carbon forks/steerers are madness. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Motolite or other v-brake clearance

[MartyG]

Considering a brake change. Can someone tell me what the distance is from the 
center of the canti post to the crossover between arms? I could not find info 
about the max tire size. I want to see if the 700c G1s will fit using Motolites 
or any other v-brake. Not worried about fenders at the moment, but would be 
nice if the arms are tall enough. Thanks! 

Marty

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[RBW] Re: In Japan! Any recommendations?

[blakcloud]

I's Bicycle in Kyoto, home to Grand Bois Cycles. It is short walk to 
Ninnaji Temple which is also a must see. 

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Re: [RBW] MTB hints in yesterday's Blahg?

[Kainalu V.]

XL as in huge? Or xl as in big. Is there a PBH cap in mind? 
Thanks 
-Kai 
BKNY (though currently in Utah, wishing I had a huge mountain bike on hand)

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[RBW] Re: Outside article on CF

[Nick Payne]

Well, CF frames and components are certainly not as forgiving of ham-fisted 
mechanics. With steel frames and aluminium components, I never bothered 
with a torque wrench. Not so with CF Components.

Nick

On Thursday, 26 July 2018 05:24:48 UTC+10, Leslie wrote:
>
> Given our perspectives on steel, carbon fiber, and bicycles, I thought 
> this was a relevant article to share here:
>
> https://www.outsideonline.com/2311816/carbon-fiber-bike-accidents-lawsuits
>
>
>
>
> -L
>
>
>  
>

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