Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo Future?

[Paul G]

John, comparisons are difficult because my previous other bikes were standard 
non OS frames that were a bit smaller. But the 61cm Roadeo doesn't feel noodly 
at all to me. It's pretty solid on bumpy descents and I'm thankful for that. I 
wouldn't want it less "solid" feeling when I'm bombing down a mountain descent 
at 40+ mph. When pedaling it feels great when I'm having a good day and 
horrible when not. It's doesn't seem to hold me back at all and I'm faster on 
average with this bike than my previous road bikes. But I sit on the Roadeo 
much better and can put more effort into the ride as a result. Better position 
so more power. So, all told, I have no idea how much the Roadeo's materials and 
construction contribute to its performance and feel. It could be just a better 
position. 

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[RBW] Dirt Drop Bar alternative to Cowchipper with 26 clam

[Neil Doran]

I also love the Cowchipper, enough that I picked up the Velo Orange quill stem 
that handles 31.8 bars. Worth it, and lighter than Nitto.

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[RBW] Dirt Drop Bar alternative to Cowchipper with 26 clam

[Jonathan D.]

Is anyone familiar with a good alternative to the Salsa Cowchipper Bar with a 
26 clamp?  I like the cowchipper bars a lot and would like a similar bar to use 
with my nitto stems. 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Component bonanza! Shimano, SRAM, Soma, Sugino & TRP

[Sean Cleary]

Some items have sold. 

Still for sale: 

• Soma Portola  26mm handlebar  56cm (used 3 rides)  $40
• Sugino 48-36-24 9 speed triple crank and Shimano bottom bracket. $80
• Shimano Deore 9 speed rear + Sora triple front derailleurs $40 for both 
• Vintage Suntour stem shifters – open to offer

 Prices include shipping in the lower 48 states

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[RBW] Re: Truing wheels question.

[George Schick]

Oops.  You're right.  I over-read the OP's request.  None of my comments 
would apply to just truing instead of wheel building.  I should've read 
closer.

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> Since the original question was about truing, and not building a wheel, I 
> feel it should be pointed out you don't need a tensionometer or to 
> lubricate the nipples. Those are nessecary to build a wheel, but not to 
> true it. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Patrick Moore]

I started with the XO-1, too but went road-ward and not dirt-ward. Odd,
I've always liked road riding as much as, or even better than dirt riding,
but I'd somehow become convinced that I wanted a 26" wheel bike for road
riding, and I had been riding drop bar-converted mountain bikes with road
tires and gearing instead of riding a real road bike; I don't now recall
all the details of this 26-for-700C equation.

But I did realize that, with skinny road tires (basically sub 2"), my
otherwise very nice mtbs didn't handle nicely, so when I read about the
XO-1 I liked, and when a local shop gave me a deal on a new '92 model minus
wheels, which I had, I bought. (They couldn't sell it otherwise.)

In '94, I asked Grant if he could make me a road bike like the XO-1 but
better, and he said, sure. My first 26" custom Riv Road was from Waterford;
2 other, and better ones, followed, and the rest, as they say, is history.

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> My initial infatuation with bikes as a grownup started with the X0-1, so
> it's kinda ridiculous that I've never owned an Atlantis. I got close last
> week with the All Rounder that's for sale here, but couldn't quite bring
> myself to pay asking price. Someday!
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[RBW] Re: Truing wheels question.

[Ben Miller]

Since the original question was about truing, and not building a wheel, I feel 
it should be pointed out you don't need a tensionometer or to lubricate the 
nipples. Those are nessecary to build a wheel, but not to true it. 

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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[Joe Bernard]

My initial infatuation with bikes as a grownup started with the X0-1, so it's 
kinda ridiculous that I've never owned an Atlantis. I got close last week with 
the All Rounder that's for sale here, but couldn't quite bring myself to pay 
asking price. Someday!

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[RBW] Re: Truing wheels question.

[George Schick]

All good suggestions here about taking on the task of wheel building.  You 
can do it; just takes time and practice to get the fine points nailed down.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned, though, is to apply a small amount of 
lubricant where the nipple meets the rim hole and also a bit on the spoke 
threads as well.  More or less even tension all around the wheel is what 
keeps it straight and true.  And when you get to the place where the final 
tightening turns of the spoke wrench are applied, the lubricant will help 
keep the spokes from twisting so much.  I wish someone made a pair of 
pliers or similar tool with a groove in the jaws that would allow the spoke 
to be gripped without marring it to help keep the twisting at a minimum. 
 But the twists can eventually be removed by squeezing the pairs together 
by hand or with a lever.  Final relief will be accomplished when you ride 
on it and hear the spokes "pinging" as they un-twist themselves a bit. 
 After that, a re-examination in the truing stand would be nice to see if 
anything changed too much.

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> Oops -- I read Lum's post too quickly and thought he was asking about 
> building wheels from scratch! But my first paragraph still stands!  : )
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[RBW] Re: What epoch of Rivster are you?

[masmojo]

I really hate & avoid labels, but I go way back to the late 80's and especially 
the early 90's. I very nearly bought an MB1(but, got a Klein Pinnacle instead), 
to this day I wish I'd gotten the Bridgestone, but I made up for it a couple 
years later when I bought my Violet XO-1. I continued to follow Rivendell after 
Bridestones departure and always lusted after one, but considering the XO-1 was 
basically the template for Rivendell, I never felt the need to make the jump.
3 years ago I finally admitted that after 20+ years of ownership my XO was 
actually too small. So when they introduced the Clems, I figured it was time to 
make the jump!
I got a Clementine, but it never fit the image of a Rivendell that I had in my 
mind so when an Atlantis frame popped up here at a price I couldn't pass up; I 
jumped on it! The Atlantis perfectly embodies everything I think of when I 
think of Rivendell. With Albastache bars, it's pretty the ultimate evolution of 
my old XO.

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[RBW] Re: New SimWorks rack

[LeRoy]

The load platform looks nicely sized but the four leg mounts, as shown in 
the pictures, would allow the same potentially catastrophic failure if the 
single bolt through the fork crown failed. And that seems to be just the 
sort of failure some folks have been worried about.
It's just a thought, but I wonder if the rearmost pair of the four legs 
might be able to extend horizontally rearward and pick up the 
top-of-the-fork-crown mounting bolts that many Rivendell bikes have. The 
forward pair of legs could continue to attach to the forks with P-clams or 
via the braze-ons that many forks provide. If so, that would give a 
significantly higher degree of security than the mounting system shown in 
the images. The second image, in particular, shows how everything currently 
would pivot forward on to the front tire if the single fork crown 
through-bolt failed.
Maybe I should buy one of these and give the alternative four-legged mount 
a try. $150 doesn't seem unreasonable.
LeRoy

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> This looks fantastic. 
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/Boj0WokBQai/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet=7qhfwfqkrx8p
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[RBW] FOR SALE : GRANDPA PINE TAR SOAP 3.25 oz the SMALLER BAR

[Charlie]

   
 GRANDPA PINE TAR SOAP 3.25 oz   48 each THIS IS the SMALLER BAR  $100 
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  NOTE : these bars sell for $3 to $4 each 

 ALSO SAMPLE BARS of the other soaps GRANDPA makes / about 14-16 1.35oz 
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[RBW] Re: Truing wheels question.

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Oops -- I read Lum's post too quickly and thought he was asking about 
building wheels from scratch! But my first paragraph still stands!  : )

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[RBW] Re: Truing wheels question.

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Like the others have said, it's not difficult; once you understand the 
basics of how each turn of the spoke nipple affects radial, lateral, and 
center trueness, as well as how it affects the tension of nearby spokes, it 
just takes patience. Jobst Brandt's book, The Bicycle Wheel, gave me a good 
understanding of the mechanics involved. 

In addition to buying a truing stand, I also have a Park tensiometer -- 
they're both very helpful to a novice wheelbuilder like myself (and 
important to get the tension right). I've built up about a dozen wheels so 
far, and they've all held up very well -- although I taco'ed my very first 
wheel when I got overzealous with stress-relieving when truing! Anyway, I 
encourage you to give it a go --it's very satisfying to ride on wheels you 
built on your own!

Bob E
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[RBW] Truing wheels question.

[Joe Bernard]

What they said about 1/4 turns, but I'll get granular as a mechanic who only 
works on wobbly spots on the rim, and does it with the wheel in the bike. 

First, you gotta remember which way the nipples turn, which can be confusing 
with the spoke tool in your hand. Always picture looking down "through" the rim 
so you're turning clockwise to bring the nipple down on the spoke, 
counterclockwise to pull it up off the spoke. 

Ok, now get the off-center spot of the rim between the pads (or on the truing 
stand). See that spot closest to a pad? It needs to move back towards the 
center. First loosen a couple spokes on the "close" side, then tighten a couple 
on the "away" side. Keep fiddling with this adjustment until the rim is back in 
the center. Easy!

Working on just the one spot won't get you into territory where you're screwing 
up the tension on the whole wheel, it's just a minor adjustment you can even do 
on the road. For the whole shebang I'd waltz on down to RBW and have Rich do 
it. I ain't no wheelbuilder. 

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Re: [RBW] Truing wheels question.

[Ben Miller]

I've built a dozen or so wheels without any issues. And I've trued wheels in 
the middle of rides (just not ones I built :) 

It's not hard. Like others have said, go slow with quarter turns. Read a book 
on wheel building or Sheldon Brown's page on it. Wheel building is mostly 
trueing the wheel. I disagree that you need a dedicated stand. I built my first 
half dozen wheels on the frame. Use the rim brake as a guide (not your hand!) 
Side pull brakes make it easy. But cantilevers work too. Wheels I built this 
way have over 10,000 km without any problems. 

Good luck and have fun.

Ben

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[RBW] New SimWorks rack

[Justin, Oakland]

This looks fantastic. 
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Re: [RBW] Truing wheels question.

[Patrick Moore]

Minor truing is easy; just do things slowly by making quarter turns.

I've been fortunate over the last several years in having my wheels all
built by *good* builders; they hardly ever go out of true. But other wheels
require a bit of tweaking over the first few hundred miles, but this is
easy by careful identification of out-of-true areas, and careful, slow
adjustment. Easier than tweaking bent brake rotors!

I just use my thumb as a truing guide - hand grasping seatstay.

I have built just 1 wheel myself, and that was the platonic ideal of a
wheel: 36 spokes, no dish. I followed Sheldon's instructions, using no
stand but placing the newly built and tensioned wheel in the frame and
using my left thumb, hand gripping the seatstay, to finish truing. The
wheel was apparently bulletproof, since it needed to adjustment in the
several thousand miles I put on it.

On Sat, Oct 6, 2018 at 9:28 AM Lum Gim Fong  wrote:

> Was wondering if this is easy to do for a first timer, or could I mess up
> the spoke tension and cause big probs.
>
> Of course, safety is my first concern. I don't want to mess up the wheel
> and cause a safety issue.
>
> But it is a skill I would like to have so I don't have to run to the LBS
> over something that may be simple to do myself.
>
> Books make it seem simple.
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Re: [RBW] Truing wheels question.

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

It’s not that difficult. I recommend putting the wheel in a truing stand, 
rather than in the bike (there are consumer-level truing stands available) and 
going slowly. 1/4 turns of the spoke nipples. Don’t make big changes—a little 
at a time until it’s true again.

Most of the time, a spoke or two will have gone loose, and all that’s needed is 
to retighten it. 

That works for me. If the out-of-trueness exceeds my skills, I’ll take it to my 
LBW (local wheel builder).

--Eric Norris
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> On Oct 6, 2018, at 8:28 AM, Lum Gim Fong  wrote:
> 
> Was wondering if this is easy to do for a first timer, or could I mess up the 
> spoke tension and cause big probs.
> 
> Of course, safety is my first concern. I don't want to mess up the wheel and 
> cause a safety issue.
> 
> But it is a skill I would like to have so I don't have to run to the LBS over 
> something that may be simple to do myself.
> 
> Books make it seem simple.
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[RBW] Re: Truing wheels question.

[Mark Schneider]

Do you have an old spare.to practice on? If you're careful you won't hurt 
it, but I'd consider practicing on a non critical spare first. It's a great 
skill once mastered.
Good luck.

Mark

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>
> Was wondering if this is easy to do for a first timer, or could I mess up 
> the spoke tension and cause big probs.
>
> Of course, safety is my first concern. I don't want to mess up the wheel 
> and cause a safety issue.
>
> But it is a skill I would like to have so I don't have to run to the LBS 
> over something that may be simple to do myself.
>
> Books make it seem simple.
>
>

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[RBW] Truing wheels question.

[Lum Gim Fong]

Was wondering if this is easy to do for a first timer, or could I mess up 
the spoke tension and cause big probs.

Of course, safety is my first concern. I don't want to mess up the wheel 
and cause a safety issue.

But it is a skill I would like to have so I don't have to run to the LBS 
over something that may be simple to do myself.

Books make it seem simple.

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[RBW] Want a 2016 Rosco Bubbe?

[Lum Gim Fong]

No affiliation:

https://washingtondc.craigslist.org/nva/bik/d/rivendell-rosco-bubbe/6716349635.html

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[RBW] Re: OT: Kids' bikes. Islabikes is closing.

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Now that the Woom 6 is shipped and arriving early next week, I've been shopping 
Rivendell's site to rig it up for school commuting. It was so much fun to 
choose the new accessories, and so far I've got these coming: the cool bells 
with rare earth magnets, a blue basket net (the bike is blue and white, isn't 
that great?!) and a medium Wald basket (that silver finish will look so 
sharp!). Now we arrive at the dilemma of the rack. I want a silver one; this 
bike screams for silver. My current choices are the Pletscher and the Nitto, 
and that expensive Nitto would just look so much better on the bike because 
it's smaller and simpler. But there is talk of a new rack designed for baskets, 
correct? If you were me, would you wait to order a rack until Riv gets their 
new one? Has anyone any news of that upcoming rack? 

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[RBW] Re: Clem L 59 -- Considering a purchase

[Christopher Wiggins]

If you ever find yourself near Indianapolis, I've got one here you could 
ride.

Chris
A1 Cyclery
Indianapolis IN

On Friday, October 5, 2018 at 2:49:36 PM UTC-4, RDS wrote:
>
> I am thinking of getting a Clem L frame or complete bike.  
>
> The latest catalog has a min PBH of 83 for the size 59.  I am 83+/-.  
> Anyone near PBH own one and have any comments?  I am overweight, so most 
> riding will be paved paths.
>
> Looks like Gray or Green for a color choice.  Your vote?
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem L 59 -- Considering a purchase

[Brad]

I ride a 59cm Clem L and my PBH is 88. The bike fits great, but there's not 
a lot of room to move the seat any lower.

The water bottle cage is well forward of the space I occupy when I'm 
straddling the bike.

Brad
Queens

On Saturday, October 6, 2018 at 12:13:05 AM UTC-4, RDS wrote:
>
> To those that have a clem ... when you are carrying a bottle in the bottle 
> cage, does it get it the way when you stop or are straddling the bike?  
> Yeah, I'm kind of torn b/t the colors.  I live in Georgia, so very doubtful 
> that a test ride is possible 
>
> On Friday, October 5, 2018 at 2:49:36 PM UTC-4, RDS wrote:
>>
>> I am thinking of getting a Clem L frame or complete bike.  
>>
>> The latest catalog has a min PBH of 83 for the size 59.  I am 83+/-.  
>> Anyone near PBH own one and have any comments?  I am overweight, so most 
>> riding will be paved paths.
>>
>> Looks like Gray or Green for a color choice.  Your vote?
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: With respect to the Blahg post and the lack of influence....flat pedal resurgence

[Lester Lammers]

On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 2:30:27 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>
> *I think that it was Grant who did the most to change all that, and that 
> he had a cultural (bike culture) effect that was both far earlier and far 
> more widespread than Surly or Jones. I'd even say that it was largely Grant 
> who made it possible for Surly, at least to flourish, and probably (Jones 
> is much later) Jones too, at least indirectly, that is, by the overall 
> liberation of design trends.* 
>

I understand that the Surly LHT was inspired by the Atlantis. About ten 
years ago I was looking for a more practical frame to replace my Rossin 
Record and bought a Bleriot. There weren't a lot of choices back then.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo Future?

[John Hawrylak]

I agree, just trying to compare an OS frame with a STD frame

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Saturday, October 6, 2018 at 6:53:41 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On 10/06/2018 06:42 AM, John Hawrylak wrote: 
> > The OS tubing used on the Roadini would approximately be the same as a 
> > 1" TT of 1.1/0.9/1.1 an a 1-1/8" DT of 1.3/1.0/1.3.  Pretty stout for 
> > a frame from the 80's.  Of course, if the frame is large, stoutness 
> helps. 
> > 
>
> That's tubing for a loaded tourer. 
>
> -- 
> Steve Palincsar 
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadeo Future?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 10/06/2018 06:42 AM, John Hawrylak wrote:
The OS tubing used on the Roadini would approximately be the same as a 
1" TT of 1.1/0.9/1.1 an a 1-1/8" DT of 1.3/1.0/1.3.  Pretty stout for 
a frame from the 80's.  Of course, if the frame is large, stoutness helps.




That's tubing for a loaded tourer.

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo Future?

[John Hawrylak]

Paul

How does the Roadeo ride and planning compare with your other 61cm frames, 
not considering the weight??

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Friday, October 5, 2018 at 2:31:14 PM UTC-4, Paul G wrote:
>
> This is an interesting discussion. Based on what I can tell, RBW has not 
> (ever?) attributed the stoutness of their frames as a contributing factor 
> to how "fast" they are. They mention things like fitness, strength, rider 
> position and comfort as the contributing factors. They have always 
> mentioned tubing wall thickness as a design factor based on what the 
> frame's intended use will be by using terms such as "road gauge" and so on. 
> They've said the Roadeo is light because that's all the strength that's 
> needed for a club riding bike.
>
> If you read through the old Peeking Through the Knothole archives, Grant 
> clearly outlines how he came to the conclusions he has about all this. 
> There's no science or anything like that. Just his personal riding 
> experiences. Interesting stuff.
>
> But other bicycle gurus and folks on this board claim otherwise. I 
> personally don't have a enough experience to be sure, but when folks claim 
> the Roadeo is faster than xyz (when taking build, wheels, tires, etc. into 
> consideration) I'm inclined to believe them. I'm taking the claims of 
> "faster" as meaning more speed per amount of physical pedaling effort. Not 
> handling or descending speed.
>
> I have a 61cm Roadeo and it's the only RBW frame I've ever ridden so I 
> don't have a basis of comparison. I have experience with other non-OS 
> non-Riv steel road frames though. This frame is not as light 
> construction-wise as the 57cm and smaller Roadeos. Instead, the basic 
> tubing gauges are in the same range as the Ram, Rom and AHH of the same 
> size (I had asked the question to Mark at RBW at the time of purchase). I 
> weight 163 so that seems (to me) to not be a lot of weight for what the 
> frame must have been designed around in that 61cm size. I always wonder if 
> the same frame in the lighter gauge of smaller Roadeos would actually be 
> better FOR ME or not. Would it be too flexy when bombing down a bumpy, 
> winding descent? Would it be more comfortable? Would it be faster even? I 
> don't know. Maybe it's perfect already!
>
> All that said, it would be interesting to see how a 61cm Roadeo would 
> compare to the Ram, Rom and AHH of the same size as the differences in 
> stoutness are smaller (nonexistent?) than, say, Lum's smaller lighter gauge 
> Roadeo when compared to the same sized Ram, Rom and AHH. I wonder if the 
> speed benefits of a Roadeo frame diminish in the larger 59cm+ sizes and 
> that the speed benefits are only for the small sized Roadeos. This has made 
> me ponder the decision of getting the Roadeo when I could have gotten an 
> AHH for $100 more at the time and gained a significant increase in 
> versatility. But the marketing materials described the Roadeo as the racy 
> bike and the AHH as the country bike so...
>
> Paul
>
> On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 10:56:12 AM UTC-7, Mark Schneider wrote:
> That would be disappointing, the whole point of the Rodeo is to be a 
> faster model in the line-up. Oversized tubing is already stiffer, you don't 
> need a beefier/thicker model, you already have that in AHH. I have a Homer 
> it's great, but it's designed for a different kind of riding than a Rodeo. 
> I'd like at least one true performance Riv in the line-up. 
>
> On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 6:51:27 AM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
> I was told by Grant that plans were drawn up alteady for the Taiwan 
> version, which will be longer and stouter than the MUSA version they have 
> been making. But they haven’t decided if they will go ahead and make it or 
> not. 
>
>
> I think for now you can still get MUSA version.. If you want shorter stays 
> and thinwall tubing now is the time. 
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Roadeo Future?

[John Hawrylak]

The OS tubing used on the Roadini would approximately be the same as a 1" 
TT of 1.1/0.9/1.1 an a 1-1/8" DT of 1.3/1.0/1.3.  Pretty stout for a frame 
from the 80's.  Of course, if the frame is large, stoutness helps.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Friday, October 5, 2018 at 10:58:58 PM UTC-4, jack loudon wrote:
>
> "For me it started with the double-TTs on already plenty stout bikes. As a 
> tall and lightweight rider, I've essentially lost interest in their 
> products :-("
>
> I'm with you on this.  The Roadini frameset in a medium size was reported 
> to weigh 7.75 lbs.  The top tube is said to be .9/.7/.9 and the downtube is 
> tapered from .8 to 1.1.   I can think of no reason a road bike designed for 
> light loads and fast riding needs to be this stout (my two road bikes, a 
> Nordavinden and Pegoretti, weigh 6.25 and 5.5 lbs for frame/fork/headset).  
> Grant is a truly brilliant designer, but I can't help thinking his bikes 
> would be even better if they were built of lighter/livelier tubing.  It is 
> his company and he can do what he thinks is best, but with his current 
> offerings, I think a lot of former and potential customers are looking 
> elsewhere.
> Jack
> Seattle
>
> On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 11:51:22 AM UTC-7, Kieran J wrote:
>>
>> That would be a real shame if the Roadeo was stretched and stoutened. 
>> There's a strange and increasing homogeneity happening with Rivbikes that 
>> has gobbled up nearly all of their models. I don't really understand the 
>> point of having half a dozen products that are more or less identical. 
>>
>> For me it started with the double-TTs on already plenty stout bikes. As a 
>> tall and lightweight rider, I've essentially lost interest in their 
>> products :-(
>>
>> KJ
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, October 4, 2018 at 6:08:25 AM UTC-7, Dave Grossman wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone have any insight into the future of the Roadeo?  Grant mentioned 
>>> it in his Blagh that it is going to be in the process of being changed a 
>>> bit.  I'm interested in getting one in the near future (or maybe just a 
>>> Roadini) and when the last one popped up here I was short funds.  
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Kid Clemmin' & The Morally Indignant Motorist

[ascpgh]

For a few weeks now the dark season (October to April) has been here and I 
absolutely need my generator and lights for the ride to and from work. I've 
been doing this for eleven years as well as riding for my own fun and I 
have had had very few call outs like Brian's. 

Whenever something goes around in one's mind it always seems to reach the 
point of verbalization too late, so I chalk it up to some  self frustration 
that they couldn't blurt anything out until it was almost pointless (thank 
you frontal lobe, for those moments of inhibition) and that their mode of 
transportation is going to take away and chance of consequences. 

Years ago on a group ride a sort of pudgy fella in overalls in an old Ford 
truck passed us closely and talked some trash I couldn't hear from my side 
of the group but motivated one guy to break out in what seemed like a 
futile sprint after the truck. We were riding in that guy's area and he 
knew a long stoplight at a big state route was less than a mile ahead. When 
the group arrived at the still red light the picture was the brave truck 
driver taking refuge beneath the pickup and the winded rider trying to coax 
him out from under with his frame pump. Seems that a check had been written 
by his mouth for which funds did not exist. No harm done  to anyone 
involved although the overalls might have sustained some need for periodic 
maintenance sooner than planned. 

It was memorable as a vignette, but it's never advisable to interact if 
someone has reached the point of being mouthy. That rider was a special 
circumstance the driver didn't consider and clearly didn't expect. That 
frontal lobe inhibition that chokes words before they fly is the same 
source of better thought over other impulses. If they have shown they 
aren't using their frontal lobes with words, there's more iimpulses that 
will miss out on the moderation. De-escalate, diverge, disappear, 
especially if they are stopped and you will be nearing them. 

I see a huge majority of drivers fiddling with their phones as I ride to 
and from work on my bike in the darkness. When I take my place in a line of 
traffic at a stoplight I am high enough to see into three or four cars 
ahead of me and sometimes they all are looking at their screens. The delay 
is so bad that sometimes I will miss a light with those 3-4 cars ahead of 
me. I try to be as predictable a part of the landscape to them as I can so 
in their diminished bandwidth allotted to driving I am still in the 
equation. It has become a giver that drivers are distracted but what is 
amazing is how they all think they are the exception, getting away with 
what they clearly know is poor behavior given the way they try to be sly 
with them despite their face and vehicle interiors being illuminated by the 
LED screens.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Friday, October 5, 2018 at 1:15:04 PM UTC-4, Ash wrote:
>
> Shrug it off and keep ridin'...
>>
>
> Very useful ability to have.  I need to work on this.  When folks do 
> inconsiderate stuff it screws up my mood for at least rest of the day, if 
> not more.   Fortunately I have not had any bad experiences while riding 
> with my son.  A few times I have been yelled at, honked at, middle-fingered 
> at etc on two lane roads. Most of the times those are designated bike use 
> routes.  Typically those vehicles happen to be big SUVs or pick up trucks. 
>   Not sure this is because those big vehicles (for need of extra space) are 
> relatively more inconvenienced by my bicycle being on the road or if there 
> another phenomenon at play here.  Recently I also got yelled "A** HOLE" by 
> another bicyclist too (accidentally my headlight had gotten tilted up a few 
> degrees and it caused excessive glare for the opposite traffic).  I 
> contemplated for a little while who's deserved that title more in this 
> scenario.  Anyway, there was some fault on my part.  Hence I decided to 
> appreciate the feedback, disregarding the format in which it was delivered 
> to me :)
>
> In addition to indignant ones, there are enough drivers who are oblivious 
> to cyclists and also those who have 80% attention on their phone 
> screen(**).  Hence I'm extra extra careful while riding on roads these 
> days.  Have been training my son to be the same way.  We try to avoid 
> certain streets, but still do a lot of riding on roads.
>
> (**) sorry to hijack this conversation, but I personally think that we 
> need a law that requires apps like Facebook to show a blank screen when the 
> phone detects a motion higher than 15mph.  Sure it inconveniences the 
> passenger, but it is worth it considering the safety of everyone involved. 
>  Besides such addictive apps not being available can encourage 
> conversations inside the car which is generally a very good thing!
>
>
> On Friday, 5 October 2018 06:30:45 UTC-7, stevef wrote:
>>
>> Even good advice offered in a friendly fashion sounds abusive when it 
>> hollered from a passing car.  It 

[RBW] Re: PSA- Rambouillet FS in Boston

[Fullylugged]

As Uncle Andrew would say, A dem fine looking bike, dem fine!!

This is the bike that drew me to Rivendell. They were making blue ones by the 
time my wallet caught up to my wants, but it rides great too.  Enjoy the heck 
out that bike.

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