Re: [RBW] Thank you Riv & My kid-hauler

[Dan McNamara]

I’ll get them out and shoot some pics for you over the weekend

. It is a different setup than the VO porter stand. I had the Ursus on my Bomba 
and it worked well. I would not jump curbs with it on a bike as it sits low. I

I have a few other as well 

the VO Copenhagen / Massload was ok. 

The Hebie Double was good but not as solid as the Ursus. 

Dan

> On Oct 17, 2018, at 6:37 PM, Justin, Oakland  wrote:
> 
> Dan-
> Does it go up narrower than the VO porteur model? That one interferes with my 
> chain. 
> 
> -J
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Re: Re: [RBW] A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor

[REC (Roberta)]

Ethan looks as excited as you, and I am so excited for him and your other 
son, who you said will also be getting a "new" bike.  

Your benefactor certainly has made many people, including me, smile this 
week because of his generosity. 

Looking forward to more pictures of the bike and him having fun riding.

Roberta 
On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 11:14:09 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
>
> Today was the day! Signature required, so I put myself on house arrest for 
> the entire day so as not to miss it. Fueled by nervous excitement, I 
> cleaned. Nothing was safe in the frenzy - if we owned it, I cleaned it! 
> When 5:00 pm came, I was beginning to despair - there was no sign of a 
> FedEx truck and there was NOTHING left to clean! The tracking now said 
> “Scheduled delivery: pending. No scheduled delivery date.” I was about to 
> cancel tomorrow’s plans and had begun wondering if I would have to clean my 
> neighbors’ houses next when the doorbell rang. It was just before 7 and 
> there at the door stood two exhausted FedEx guys lugging a giant box with a 
> sharpie cat drawn on the top. The FedEx truck had broken down, but here 
> they were! 
>
> I hesitate to take anything out of the box as it is so expertly packed, 
> and I will be delivering it to the LBS to be assembled by people who know 
> what they are doing. But in the meantime, here is the proud new Clem owner 
> and his beaming mother, who both can hardly believe this is real. I’ll add 
> more photos and text as the bike is built and the rider gets in the saddle. 
> Thanks again to our Benefactor, who planned and executed this adventure, 
> before it was ever a thought in our minds. You are the giver of wonderful 
> and lasting things, my friend. We will follow your example.
>
> Say hello to the #SilverClem! 
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> On Oct 17, 2018, at 10:39 AM, Pondero > 
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> Thank you for this uplifting story.  I always enjoy stories like this.  
> They inspire me to be better than I am.
>
> The funny thing about this story is that when I read it, I thought to 
> myself...I know people who would do something like this!  So, when I 
> remembered the high quality of my friends, I was doubly blessed by your 
> account.
>
> Chris Johnson
> Sanger, Texas
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Re: Re: [RBW] A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor

[Joe Bernard]

This is so wonderful! I love the "pointing at you" pic 

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[RBW] Re: FS Synergy 700 Rims, Hubs, BB-1 Bars

[Mike Godwin]

On Sunday, October 14, 2018 at 9:43:55 PM UTC-7, Mike Godwin wrote:
>
> Hi Folks
>
> Cross-posted on bob-list. FS items to reduce inventory as I will not be 
> using these items. Shipped by USPS flat rate. USPS money orders and 
> personal checques also accepted. 
>
>  
>
> Photos on request.
>
>  
>
> Velocity Synergy 700 Rim, silver, MSW 36 h. 1 symmetrical from Australia. 
>  Purchased from Peter White Bicycles, I was assured the circumferences are 
> not too big or too small, so tire fitment should be OK. single eyelets, 
>  605 ERD. $100.
>
>  
>
> Sampim Race (14-15-14) spokes for the Synergy rims, with M950/Deore/LX 
> hubs. Should fit newer bulky Ultegra and 105 road hubs (fr 71-72 wide, 38 
> dia; rr 55-56 wide, 45 dia). 38 x 292, 38 x 294. I cleaned and spoke 
> prepped all of the 292 spokes.  With Sampim brass nipples. $40. 
>
>  
>
> Mavic 556 hubs. NIRB, (new in ratty box). 32 hole, original skewers. 
> 126/100 OLD. English freewheel threads. $150
>
>  
>
> Sturmey-Archer black 2-spd kick-back coaster-brake 36 hole, 24 t cog. 1:1 
> low, 1:1.38 high $35/ 113 OLD, 161 mm total length axle
>
>  
>
> Dia Compe tandem aero levers for cantis. Right lever accepts two cables. 
> Hoods in very good condition. $10
>
>  
>
> Will trade items for Mark's Rack (R-14), or one of the new Pliescher 
> racks. 
>
> Mike SLO CA
>
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: WTT 46 cm Dream Bars for 42 cm Noodle or Dream Bar

[Mike Godwin]

Thank you all, found some narrower bars, and the 46 cm bars going to new 
home.

On Sunday, October 14, 2018 at 9:33:15 PM UTC-7, Mike Godwin wrote:
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> Hi Folks
>
> Cross-posted on bob-list.  I would like to trade my heat-treated 46 cm 
> Dream Bars for your 42 cm Noodles or Dream bars. Normal tape residue and 
> scuffs. Medallions are free of scratches. 
>
> Mike SLO CA
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[RBW] CX70 Brakes OR Typically late to the party

[Justin, Oakland]

Considering you can get a bikes worth of cx50s for 40$ right now I’m going to 
stash a pair. Just in case. 

-J

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[RBW] Bike sizing by PBH, and wanting to give drop bars one more chance

[lambbo]

Sorry this is slightly OT, but hearing about tight glutes and hamstrings got me 
thinking --- I ride my Roadini with the longest possible leg extension, it's 
always been how I set up my bikes but I'd never had drops before, and I've been 
getting terrible cramps in my legs on anything above 40 or 50 miles... In the 
experience of those above who've dropped their saddles, does it reduce 
cramping? 

More on topic, I'm also 6'1" with long legs ~91 pbh  and ride a 61 roadini with 
a 100 stem that I just switched to 70 and I now wish was 60 but it works pretty 
well, I would recommend tilting your seat slightly down (very slightly) to 
reduce the amount you feel you're stretching forward.  It may be obvious to 
others but, being new to drops, I rode with a saddle that had my hips tilting 
back and stretching my back out even more for too many rides.  

Thanks! and good luck
A 

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[RBW] CX70 Brakes OR Typically late to the party

[Philip Williamson]

I like my CX50s. I envy you your 70s; I think they’re much prettier. The 50s 
rears squealed with morning dew, but that seems much less after the last bike 
cleaning and pad filing. Braking is great; not better than my Pauls or Mafac 
Racers, or Avid V brakes, or Shimano hydros, but not worse, either. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] FYI: Sunrace 8sp cassettes

[Justin, Oakland]

I also have a Sugino 94/58 here saying”build me up as an ultracompact double or 
triple” lately. 

-J

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[RBW] FYI: Sunrace 8sp cassettes

[Justin, Oakland]

As we graduate to more hauling of stuff and less joyriding I have a 28ish ring 
on there. As it stands my wife and I aren’t comfortable with riding out of our 
neighborhood so in order to mileage I have to drive the bike to a place to 
ride. This avoids most hills so far. Plus I did some pretty impressive 
singletrack climbing in the 36x40 gear yesterday. 

-J

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[RBW] Nutmeg Nor'Easter

[lambbo]

I'll also be there on my Cheviot!

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[RBW] Therapeutic effects of night riding and eating

[Philip Williamson]

Thanks - I’m inspired to follow through with my plan to ride to the train (21 
miles) after work. I had thought I needed to do it before the days are too 
short, but I could actually do it fine in the dark for the next four months. 

Fall is my interesting artistic regeneration season. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Re: Bike sizing by PBH, and wanting to give drop bars one more chance

[tc]

Eric,
I'm 6'-0.5" and have a 90.5 PBH.  My saddle height for road riding is 
typically 1 cm less than what Riv recommends, but that's improved over the 
past year or two because I'm more conscious of stretching my hips, hams and 
glutes after a workout or a ride.  It really does help.  I ride a 61 
Roadini with a 60mm stem and a 46 Noodle.  I had a 58 sam with an 80mm stem 
and a 46 Noodle.  Also have a 64 Toyo Atlantis with Ahearne+Map bar and 
it's very comfortable.

You're taller than me by a smidge, but compared to me, more of your length 
is in your upper body.  Even with shorter arms, I'd think a 58 Sam with 
drops and a short reach stem should fit you fine unless your lower back or 
posterior chain is shortened/very tight.

As for stems, you can get a shorty Technomic Deluxe from Ben's, down to a 
50mm.  See them here 

.

Tom

On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 2:08:22 PM UTC-4, Eric Myers wrote:
>
> Up until about a month ago I rode 58cm sized bikes, in varying degrees of 
> (dis)comfort.  Then I started riding my new significantly larger Sam 
> Hillborne and realized all my older bikes are too small, so I've basically 
> decided to replace one of my old bikes with something similar (mid-80s 
> sport tourer) in a larger size, and sell the rest.  Now I'm trying to 
> figure out that sizing.
>
>  
>
> I'm a little over 6'1" (187cm) and long in the torso but with only normal 
> length arms, according to my dress shirts.  So to paraphrase an old joke, 
> my arms aren't quite long enough to reach the handlebars, and I need an 
> extra couple cm of handlebar/stem height to compensate. 
>
>  
>
> My PBH is 89.5 cm.  According to Rivendell, my saddle height should be 
> 78-79cm, and my starting frame size should be 62-64 cm (The Sam is 
> different because it is an expanded frame).  For whatever reason, that 
> saddle height is not comfortable and I tend to use something a couple cm 
> shorter.  (Possibly because I keep my feet further forward on the pedal?) 
>
>  
>
> On the Sam I have Albatross bars and love them, but would like to have a 
> second bike with a different cockpit.  Stretching forward has generally not 
> been as comfortable to me as riding in the drops against a headwind, so I 
> am hoping that a larger frame, plus a short reach stem (I'd try one of 
> Analog's w(Right) stems if they were cheaper), and short reach drops like 
> the Soma Highway 1 bar might add up to something comfortable.
>
>  
>
> If you have a similar body challenges, or a preference for a slightly 
> shorter saddle height, I'd love to hear about your thoughts and experience 
> on bike sizing.  Ditto for drop bars.  I know I'm going to have to try 
> riding a number of different bikes, but I'd like to start out trying the 
> right size.
>
>  
>
> Best regards,
>
> Eric
>

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[RBW] FYI: Sunrace 8sp cassettes

[J Imler]

I'm running this cassette with the mountain tamer 18t, 26t, and something else 
up front with kid hauling confidence. Save your knees.


Pic -
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[RBW] Re: Keto next week: how do i not bonk?

[Kevin Mulcahy]

It sounds like you're avoiding root veggies and tubers? Why is that? I'm 
eating carrots, parsnips, or sweet potatoes each day in my lunch bowl, but 
I'm not eating a keto diet. Just a whole food diet (also lost 30lbs this 
year). 


On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 5:51:02 PM UTC-5, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> UPDATE:
>
> Fears unfounded.
> Rode great all summer/fall. Never bonked.
> I noticed about 2 days where I had no recovery at all during the week I 
> started keto. I guess that was the transitional period. Once in keto I 
> found riding was better than ever and didn't feel trashed at all after 
> rides like when I was a sugar burner.
> Seemed like I could ride as much and as hard as I wanted and never felt 
> trashed the next day like I did when sugar burner.
> Lost 32lbs.
>
> Now I am still eating the same keto-ish but a little looser. So I don't 
> know if I am in keto from day to day but still feel like I am. Mostly just 
> eat meats and above the ground veggies now. Atkins shakes and bars 
> sometimes to subdue sweet cravings. Gotta get over that and find better 
> snacks to eat.
>
> I like keto diet and feel it is better for riding for me than a regular 
> carby diet.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Thank you Riv & My kid-hauler

[Justin, Oakland]

Dan-
Does it go up narrower than the VO porteur model? That one interferes with my 
chain. 

-J

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[RBW] Nutmeg Nor'Easter

[A. Nostuh]

I’ll be there riding my ATV

(all terrain che’viot)

Al in Saratoga 

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[RBW] Nutmeg Nor'Easter

[A. Nostuh]

I’ll be ridin my ATV

(all  terrain che’viot)

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[RBW] Nutmeg Nor'Easter

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

Any other ROB's attending this weekend?

Alex Wirth
Rochester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Therapeutic effects of night riding and eating

[ascpgh]

I agree. So do most EU road regs. Flashing is OK for a lone biker in car 
traffic on roads w//o accommodation for bikes, but I agree and felt like I 
was being pushed toward break through seizures when trapped after sunset 
with flashing lights. 

A handful of riders joined my friend and I Tuesday night and turned our 
pleasant night ride into a training ride of no particular interest beyond 
steepness, elevation gain and mileage. Not a single  picture from me of the 
event. Just a bunch of CFRP bikes and riders with flashy lights looking for 
parameters to stuff into their Strada and Garmins. 


Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 5:57:52 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> I ride with two steady rear lights (one battery/one dynamo) and a steady 
> dyno front light.
> They light up the rear wheel in red nicely.
> Reflective tape on crank arms.
> Orange reflective vest like the ones mentioned above.
>
> I need to get some of those reflective gloves!!!
>
> Would be great to have an amber light for the sides of the frame.
>

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[RBW] Re: Whatbars.com

[Bob Ehrenbeck]

Thanks, Chip -- that site was really helpful to me when I was recently bar 
shopping!

A great companion site to this is Jim G's Stem Comparison Tool. It's been 
around for ages, but for those who may be unfamiliar with it, here it is:

http://yojimg.net/bike/web_tools/stem.php

In addition to new bars for my Clem, I've been stem shopping too, so 
thanks, Jim G, as well!

Bob E
Cranford, NJ

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[RBW] Re: Clem L 59 -- Considering a purchase

[Adam Leibow]

@ tc responding to your oct 13 message:

thank you! saddle height is 76cm (roughly 11cm lower than pbh). I am using 
an 80mm Nitto UI-12 stem (which is a quill stem with 31.8mm clamp and an 
open/removable faceplate) and Sycip JJJ bars (which are similar to Map 
Ahearne in shape/sweep but slightly wider and with a larger 31.8mm clamp). 
The reach is perfect for me. I'm 5'-9" with long legs for my height. 

On Friday, October 5, 2018 at 11:49:36 AM UTC-7, RDS wrote:
>
> I am thinking of getting a Clem L frame or complete bike.  
>
> The latest catalog has a min PBH of 83 for the size 59.  I am 83+/-.  
> Anyone near PBH own one and have any comments?  I am overweight, so most 
> riding will be paved paths.
>
> Looks like Gray or Green for a color choice.  Your vote?
>

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[RBW] Re: Bike sizing by PBH, and wanting to give drop bars one more chance

[Brent P]

I'll add a data point since I learned so much from this group when I was 
trying to determine a fit. 6'2" here, measured 93 PBH. Reasonably tight 
hips and glutes which make drop bars not a fun experience on most bikes. 
Started with a new LHT spring '17 and followed Surly and LBS sizing with a 
58. And, after LBS ignored my request and cut the steerer down before I 
picked it up, it was too small from day 1. I was new/returning to bikes and 
took me months of trial and error to figure that out. Then discovered 
Rivendell. One year ago a 62 Appaloosa arrived and it's been happiness ever 
since. Jones Loop on the Appaloosa. Nitto Kite bars (similar sweep to 
Jones) on a 64 MUSA Atlantis, and a 62 Hillborne joined the fleet this 
year. Sam alternates between Noodles and Albatross, depending on the whim 
of the week. With a 93 PBH height I've found Grant's recommendation of PBH 
- 11cm = saddle height hits damn close. I run 81-82cm saddle on all 3 
bikes. Anything over 82 and hips are a rockin' and things fall apart. 

Listen to the Riv staff. Amazing fit they set me up with halfway across the 
country, sight-unseen. I trust 'em.


On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 5:25:19 PM UTC-5, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> I use 41 Noodles or 40 Nitto M151F drops on 6cm Pearl or Tech deluxe stems.
> The M151f bars are shorter reach and drop than Noodles, and easier to 
> reach brake levers while in hooks.
>

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[RBW] Re: Keto next week: how do i not bonk?

[Lum Gim Fong]

UPDATE:

Fears unfounded.
Rode great all summer/fall. Never bonked.
I noticed about 2 days where I had no recovery at all during the week I 
started keto. I guess that was the transitional period. Once in keto I 
found riding was better than ever and didn't feel trashed at all after 
rides like when I was a sugar burner.
Seemed like I could ride as much and as hard as I wanted and never felt 
trashed the next day like I did when sugar burner.
Lost 32lbs.

Now I am still eating the same keto-ish but a little looser. So I don't 
know if I am in keto from day to day but still feel like I am. Mostly just 
eat meats and above the ground veggies now. Atkins shakes and bars 
sometimes to subdue sweet cravings. Gotta get over that and find better 
snacks to eat.

I like keto diet and feel it is better for riding for me than a regular 
carby diet.


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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Protovelo - complete bike 57.5cm

[Bill Lindsay]

That there is one cute bike.  APPROVE.  

BL in EC

On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 10:32:34 AM UTC-7, jandrews wrote:
>
> Hello Group…
>
> I’m reposting this Protovelo for sale after happily not selling it last 
> year.  It was a terrific performer this summer but I still would like to 
> sell it.  I’m moving into a new place and majorly need to downsize plus my 
> riding is less and less roady. 
>
>
> 57.5cm Protovelo road bike for sale:
>
>
> [image: PV26.JPG]
>
>
>
> This is a fun, light and nimble bike looking for a new home. 
>
>
> The frame is somewhat of an odd duck. I am not sure what exactly this 
> frame was a prototype for, although a current Riv employee suggested it 
> could've been geometry testing for the San Marcos with thinner tubing.
>
>
> I purchased it from Kevin at Riv in about 2012.  I was interested in 
> buying a Roadeo at the time and they posted this frameset and I purchased 
> it instead. 
>
>
> I believe that it has a Roadeo fork from Toyo in JP.   It’s a slender, 
> nicely curved fork with cream dropouts and no mounting bosses mid-fork.  
> (the seat stays have typical Riv bosses, 2 at the dropouts and one mid-stay 
> and one by the seat cluster)
>
> This frameset has Hilborne headtube lugs and a Homer bottom bracket shell. 
>  Also, odd-duckishly, the front fork takes a medium-reach caliper and the 
> rear brake is a long-reach.  I believe the frame was U.S. made.  Also, I 
> believe the color is "RBW Blue".
>
> The sizing was listed as 57.5cm and that’s the measurement for both the 
> seat tube and the top tube.
>
> Rear spacing is 130mm.
>
>
> My PBH is 84.5 and this bike was just a smidge big for me but never ever a 
> real issue.  When I'm standing with feet firmly on the ground the top tube 
> is right up there but workable.
>
> The reach on this bike is great compared to my too-long top tube 
> first-generation Hillborne which is 56/59.
>
>
> I built this bike up as a go-fast road bike and while it served that 
> purpose very well, that’s not the type of riding I really do.  I ride my 
> much heavier Hillborne more or my off-road singlespeed.
>
>
> The wheels are very nice, built by Anthony King.  - White Industries T11 
> polished 28h laced to IRD “Cadence” lightweight rims..  Rear is “VSR” or 
> offset.  Both have wheelsmith spokes. (42 Wheelsmith XL14 2.0/1.5/2.0 
>  Silver Spoke w/  Brass Nipples & 14 Wheelsmith DB14 2.0/1.7/2.0 Silver 
> Spoke w/ Silver Brass Nipples)
>
>
> Tires are Jack Brown Greens with plenty of life left
>
>
> Cream longboard fenders
>
>
> SRAM Apex mini-group - Front and Rear Derailleurs as well as a SRAM 
> cassette (11-32 10spd) & chain and Apex “double tap” shifter/levers
>
>
> Crankset - NOS (*when I installed it*) - 170mm Sugino AT with 
> Specialities TA “Syrius” 50/34 10 speed chainrings  {122.5 UN52 bb)
>
>
> Bars are Mark’s “Dream Bar” in heat treated 46cm by Nitto.
>
> Stem is 9cm or 10cm Tech Deluxe...I'll check.
>
> Wrapped in black Newbaums.
>
>
> Headset is FSA that Riv uses.
>
>
> Brakes - Rear Tektro R559, Front Tektro R538
>
>
> Seatpost - Thomson “Elite” , black - no offset.
>
>
> CLEARANCE: The bike is running JB greens with longboard fenders.  I think 
> it would probably run Barlow Pass 38's without a problem, but I haven't 
> tested that.  After doing some research by the numbers, I believe that 
> Paul Racers (not M's) would handle the difference of the long reach in the 
> back and med reach in the front and allow for a little more clearance 
> ...but I haven't personally tested that.
>
>
> Issues:  {pics attached for all this}
>
> There are few small chips in the paint. , the most offensive being on the 
> downtube just below the water bottle cage.  There is also a small one on 
> the top tube as well as a couple small ones on the inside of the non-drive 
> side chain stay and some rash along drive-side seat stay.  Most of this was 
> received from being in my Thule car bike carrier and being rubbed my 
> friends bike next to it.
>
> I've detailed these chips in the photo gallery 
>
>
> Selling the bike for $1500 including Bike Flights shipping
>
> I'm in the Hudson Valley of Upstate New York but can easily meet in NYC 
> with the bike.
>
> will discount slightly for a local sale.
>
>
> Please know that when I say "I believe", I'm giving you my honest thought 
> process based on speaking to employees at RBW and being a good steward of 
> the bike for the past 6 or so years, but I can't confirm those statements 
> 100% and I may be mistaken.
>
>
> Many detailed photos can be seen at this link:  Sorry for poor photography 
> quality 
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/ekHXDjsuhT2Kqoby7
>
>
> Thank you, please let me know if you have questions
>
> Jason
>

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[RBW] Re: Bike sizing by PBH, and wanting to give drop bars one more chance

[Lum Gim Fong]

I use 41 Noodles or 40 Nitto M151F drops on 6cm Pearl or Tech deluxe stems.
The M151f bars are shorter reach and drop than Noodles, and easier to reach 
brake levers while in hooks.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Noodle Cockpit - $130 + shipping

[Lum Gim Fong]

I think those multi colored bar wrap jobs are cool looking! Like having 
plaid bars!
Would like to try it sometime on my bikes.

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[RBW] Re: Therapeutic effects of night riding and eating

[Lum Gim Fong]

I ride with two steady rear lights (one battery/one dynamo) and a steady 
dyno front light.
They light up the rear wheel in red nicely.
Reflective tape on crank arms.
Orange reflective vest like the ones mentioned above.

I need to get some of those reflective gloves!!!

Would be great to have an amber light for the sides of the frame.

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[RBW] Re: Therapeutic effects of night riding and eating

[Lum Gim Fong]

I find that *super bright *flashing lights make it harder to see where a 
bike is when I am driving a car and see a cyclist.

Front white lights are even worse. Just huge flashes, and then my eyes go 
blind and only see blackness in between flashes so I cannot make out 
exactly where the bike is.
Steady lights make it easier to see location of bike and are way less 
irritating to cyclist riding behind you.

It is Chinese water torture if I am riding behind someone with a blinkie 
and cannot get past them.

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[RBW] Riv-ish Rides near UNC Chapel Hill

[Tony DeFilippo]

I'm going to be in Chapel Hill for a 5 day class next week, never been to 
the area and I'm not positive how much free time I'll have but I plan on 
bringing a bike.  Any locals care to chime in with a great before or after 
work (<20 mile) ride idea?

Thanks!
Tony

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[RBW] Re: Bike sizing by PBH, and wanting to give drop bars one more chance

[Lum Gim Fong]

Alot of diffs people have could be due to differing femur and tib/fib and 
knee joint lengths.
Everyone is different and no one fit method will work with everyone I am 
guessing.

Riv says 71cm seat height for me.
Lemond and Selle Anatomica say like 72.5 or something around there.
I find my legs happiest in KOPS at 70cm seat height.

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[RBW] WTB: 52 Clem L in bronzey moss color

[Matt Argomaniz]

Hi group! I’m excited to find my first Riv – a special one that I can’t 
stop thinking about. I’m looking for a 52 Clem L in the bronzey moss green 
color (aka Cheviot green) that came out a while back.

A big thanks to those who have already helped me dial in my size and model 
(especially Rivelo here in Portland). And a future thanks to anyone who can 
help me find my grail!

Matt
Portland, OR

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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto 32f mini front rack & Compass M13 rack w/ light mount

[Rusty Click]

I'll take the 32f mini front if it is still available.

Rusty
Pgh, Pa

On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 10:26:54 AM UTC-4, phil k wrote:
>
> I bought these for a bit for bikes that never materialized. Both brand new.
>
> Nitto 32f mini front rack $100 shipped
>
> Compass M13 w/ light mount $150 shipped
>

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[RBW] Re: Bike sizing by PBH, and wanting to give drop bars one more chance

[Andy Beichler]

My PBH is 92 and I can't imagine riding at the recommended 80-82 saddle 
height.  My hips rock terribly with it that high. I find about 77-78 works 
best for me.  I also have tight hamstrings and glutes.  I am curious if 
your new found yoga practice allowed you to raise your seat.

On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 4:06:03 PM UTC-4, Jeremy Till wrote:
>
> My experience closely mimics yours. I'm 6'3" with long legs, and I think 
> the couple of times Riv has measured my PBH it's been somewhere around 
> 95cm, for which they would recommend a seat height around 85cm, but over 
> many years of riding I've arrived at 79-80 cm being the ideal seat height 
> for me, depending on crank length. I think it's most because of tight 
> hamstrings/glutes and preferring a midfoot riding position with flat 
> pedals. 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bike sizing by PBH, and wanting to give drop bars one more chance

[Jeremy Till]

My experience closely mimics yours. I'm 6'3" with long legs, and I think 
the couple of times Riv has measured my PBH it's been somewhere around 
95cm, for which they would recommend a seat height around 85cm, but over 
many years of riding I've arrived at 79-80 cm being the ideal seat height 
for me, depending on crank length. I think it's most because of tight 
hamstrings/glutes and preferring a midfoot riding position with flat 
pedals. 

When I bought my Surly LHT, I followed the Riv sizing recommendations and 
bought a 64cm one. Like your Sam, I originally had Albatrosses on it, then 
Boscos, and it was great with both of those bars. About 2.5 years ago I 
swapped in drops, and found that short-ish reach drops (Ritchey Biomax) 
with a short reach stem (70mm, +17 deg) worked well with that setup. I've 
since done some really long rides on that bike, including some 100+ mile 
days. I'd say it's probably one of the better fitting drop bar bikes I've 
ever owned. It doesn't hurt that in the same time I've done a fair bit of 
yoga, working on my core strength and flexibility. Recently, I've been 
thinking about swapping in some bars with a flatter ramp.  Noodles are a 
natural choice but I think their reach would be a bit much. I've got a pair 
of Salsa Cowbells in the bin that I'll probably try next. 

If I were designing a drop bar bike from scratch I could see that something 
with a shorter top tube might open up the reach a bit more and allow for 
longer bars like Noodles, Rando bars, or Maes Parallel bars. I've recently 
bought a used 64cm Rambouillet that might fit the bill (it's got a 60cm TT 
versus the LHT's 62cm), but it came with Albatross bars and I really like 
that setup. I doubt that I'd want to go to a smaller stock frame, as I 
don't think that I'd want the bars any lower than they currently are.  My 
eroica bike, a 1980's Medici racing frame, was 62cm and that required a 
short and high Technomic stem to get the bars up where I wanted them.  


On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 11:08:22 AM UTC-7, Eric Myers wrote:
>
> Up until about a month ago I rode 58cm sized bikes, in varying degrees of 
> (dis)comfort.  Then I started riding my new significantly larger Sam 
> Hillborne and realized all my older bikes are too small, so I've basically 
> decided to replace one of my old bikes with something similar (mid-80s 
> sport tourer) in a larger size, and sell the rest.  Now I'm trying to 
> figure out that sizing.
>
>  
>
> I'm a little over 6'1" (187cm) and long in the torso but with only normal 
> length arms, according to my dress shirts.  So to paraphrase an old joke, 
> my arms aren't quite long enough to reach the handlebars, and I need an 
> extra couple cm of handlebar/stem height to compensate. 
>
>  
>
> My PBH is 89.5 cm.  According to Rivendell, my saddle height should be 
> 78-79cm, and my starting frame size should be 62-64 cm (The Sam is 
> different because it is an expanded frame).  For whatever reason, that 
> saddle height is not comfortable and I tend to use something a couple cm 
> shorter.  (Possibly because I keep my feet further forward on the pedal?) 
>
>  
>
> On the Sam I have Albatross bars and love them, but would like to have a 
> second bike with a different cockpit.  Stretching forward has generally not 
> been as comfortable to me as riding in the drops against a headwind, so I 
> am hoping that a larger frame, plus a short reach stem (I'd try one of 
> Analog's w(Right) stems if they were cheaper), and short reach drops like 
> the Soma Highway 1 bar might add up to something comfortable.
>
>  
>
> If you have a similar body challenges, or a preference for a slightly 
> shorter saddle height, I'd love to hear about your thoughts and experience 
> on bike sizing.  Ditto for drop bars.  I know I'm going to have to try 
> riding a number of different bikes, but I'd like to start out trying the 
> right size.
>
>  
>
> Best regards,
>
> Eric
>

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[RBW] Re: Bike sizing by PBH, and wanting to give drop bars one more chance

[Lum Gim Fong]

Based on my experience:

Go by their PBH for frame size, and then size down one frame size if you 
are going to use drops and the TT and standover are only a 2cm diff or so 
on the smaller frame.

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[RBW] Re: Clem L 59 -- Considering a purchase

[DadDadDaddio]

I might add that you should talk with someone at RIV if you are on the 
bubble. That's where I was too, and after speaking with Will who assured me 
the 59 was the way to go, I pulled the trigger. And he was right ... go 
figure ... the guys who do it for a living are the best resource out there.

On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 2:24:32 PM UTC-5, DadDadDaddio wrote:
>
> The standard Nitto bosco bars that came with the bike from Riv with cork 
> grips. No stretch whatsoever to the grip positions, which is where my hands 
> are 100% of the time. Very comfortable position. I had to fiddle with the 
> seat fore/aft position and handlebar angle but once I found the right combo 
> its been great.
>
> On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 11:41:00 AM UTC-5, Doug H. wrote:
>>
>> Which bars do you have on your Clem L DadDadDaddio?  I have considered 
>> this bike as well and am waffling back and forth between the 52 and 59. I’m 
>> close to your same height and have a 83 PBH. Are you stretched out at all 
>> on it to reach the bars? 
>> Thanks, 
>> Doug
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem L 59 -- Considering a purchase

[DadDadDaddio]

The standard Nitto bosco bars that came with the bike from Riv with cork 
grips. No stretch whatsoever to the grip positions, which is where my hands 
are 100% of the time. Very comfortable position. I had to fiddle with the 
seat fore/aft position and handlebar angle but once I found the right combo 
its been great.

On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 11:41:00 AM UTC-5, Doug H. wrote:
>
> Which bars do you have on your Clem L DadDadDaddio?  I have considered 
> this bike as well and am waffling back and forth between the 52 and 59. I’m 
> close to your same height and have a 83 PBH. Are you stretched out at all 
> on it to reach the bars? 
> Thanks, 
> Doug

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[RBW] Re: Quick removal of full-coverage fenders

[djm323]

I have the front fender on my commuter set up for quick removal.  I 
threaded machine screws through the drop out bosses (pan head) and fork 
crown and use thumb nuts to fasten the fender.

Dan
Chicagaux • USA

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[RBW] Re: Bike sizing by PBH, and wanting to give drop bars one more chance

[Dave Grossman]

You and I are almost the same proportions.  I have a surgically repaired 
L5-S1 which limits my comfort in the long and low position and similarly 
cleared house as well.

I recently picked up a 1980 Trek 413 off Ibob to build as a bigger, better 
fitting bike.  That is still in progress.  Hopefully that will work, but I 
really just want an all day slightly spry roadish bike to ride without 
fenders on pavement generally for hours at a time.  Drops included.  I 
recently bought a BMC Monstercross and didn't cut the steerer and put dirt 
drops on and I love it.  But I always ask for reach and stack these days as 
I know what wheelhouse I want to be in and if it doesn't fit I don't even 
bother approaching anymore.  A few years ago, I wouldn't have even thought 
about things the same.


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[RBW] Re: Bike sizing by PBH, and wanting to give drop bars one more chance

[Mat Grewe]

Hey, I am darn near the same proportions.  I cannot recall exactly, but my 
saddle height is somewhere between 74-76.  However, I use thin'ish soled 
shoes and pedal with my foot far forward on the pedals (midfoot 
).
  
The best advice I have found on figuring out saddle height 

 
is from Steve Hogg.  Both articles are on the long side, but there is great 
fit information in there.

Mat

On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 1:08:22 PM UTC-5, Eric Myers wrote:
>
> Up until about a month ago I rode 58cm sized bikes, in varying degrees of 
> (dis)comfort.  Then I started riding my new significantly larger Sam 
> Hillborne and realized all my older bikes are too small, so I've basically 
> decided to replace one of my old bikes with something similar (mid-80s 
> sport tourer) in a larger size, and sell the rest.  Now I'm trying to 
> figure out that sizing.
>
>  
>
> I'm a little over 6'1" (187cm) and long in the torso but with only normal 
> length arms, according to my dress shirts.  So to paraphrase an old joke, 
> my arms aren't quite long enough to reach the handlebars, and I need an 
> extra couple cm of handlebar/stem height to compensate. 
>
>  
>
> My PBH is 89.5 cm.  According to Rivendell, my saddle height should be 
> 78-79cm, and my starting frame size should be 62-64 cm (The Sam is 
> different because it is an expanded frame).  For whatever reason, that 
> saddle height is not comfortable and I tend to use something a couple cm 
> shorter.  (Possibly because I keep my feet further forward on the pedal?) 
>
>  
>
> On the Sam I have Albatross bars and love them, but would like to have a 
> second bike with a different cockpit.  Stretching forward has generally not 
> been as comfortable to me as riding in the drops against a headwind, so I 
> am hoping that a larger frame, plus a short reach stem (I'd try one of 
> Analog's w(Right) stems if they were cheaper), and short reach drops like 
> the Soma Highway 1 bar might add up to something comfortable.
>
>  
>
> If you have a similar body challenges, or a preference for a slightly 
> shorter saddle height, I'd love to hear about your thoughts and experience 
> on bike sizing.  Ditto for drop bars.  I know I'm going to have to try 
> riding a number of different bikes, but I'd like to start out trying the 
> right size.
>
>  
>
> Best regards,
>
> Eric
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem L 59 -- Considering a purchase

[Matt Argomaniz]

If this helps anyone, I'm 5'11, 85 PBH, and the 52 Clem L was just right 
for me. As some others have already noted, a 59 would work too but the seat 
post would be quite low.

Tire size can also be a deciding factor, since the 59 jumps up to 700c. So 
if you have some pretty 700c wheels you're dying to use, that could be a 
point for the 59.

On Friday, October 5, 2018 at 11:49:36 AM UTC-7, RDS wrote:
>
> I am thinking of getting a Clem L frame or complete bike.  
>
> The latest catalog has a min PBH of 83 for the size 59.  I am 83+/-.  
> Anyone near PBH own one and have any comments?  I am overweight, so most 
> riding will be paved paths.
>
> Looks like Gray or Green for a color choice.  Your vote?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mounting Supernova E3

[Ginz]

I found this little gadget to be helpful. I had to get a long, stainless M4 
bolt with a bunch of spacers, etc. to space my E3 away from the rack far 
enough.  I was using a Nitto M12-type rack.

http://boulderbicycle.bike/light-brackets/


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[RBW] Bike sizing by PBH, and wanting to give drop bars one more chance

['Eric Myers' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Up until about a month ago I rode 58cm sized bikes, in varying degrees of 
(dis)comfort.  Then I started riding my new significantly larger Sam 
Hillborne and realized all my older bikes are too small, so I've basically 
decided to replace one of my old bikes with something similar (mid-80s 
sport tourer) in a larger size, and sell the rest.  Now I'm trying to 
figure out that sizing.

 

I'm a little over 6'1" (187cm) and long in the torso but with only normal 
length arms, according to my dress shirts.  So to paraphrase an old joke, 
my arms aren't quite long enough to reach the handlebars, and I need an 
extra couple cm of handlebar/stem height to compensate. 

 

My PBH is 89.5 cm.  According to Rivendell, my saddle height should be 
78-79cm, and my starting frame size should be 62-64 cm (The Sam is 
different because it is an expanded frame).  For whatever reason, that 
saddle height is not comfortable and I tend to use something a couple cm 
shorter.  (Possibly because I keep my feet further forward on the pedal?) 

 

On the Sam I have Albatross bars and love them, but would like to have a 
second bike with a different cockpit.  Stretching forward has generally not 
been as comfortable to me as riding in the drops against a headwind, so I 
am hoping that a larger frame, plus a short reach stem (I'd try one of 
Analog's w(Right) stems if they were cheaper), and short reach drops like 
the Soma Highway 1 bar might add up to something comfortable.

 

If you have a similar body challenges, or a preference for a slightly 
shorter saddle height, I'd love to hear about your thoughts and experience 
on bike sizing.  Ditto for drop bars.  I know I'm going to have to try 
riding a number of different bikes, but I'd like to start out trying the 
right size.

 

Best regards,

Eric

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[RBW] Re: CX70 Brakes OR Typically late to the party

[DarinM]

I used these brakes on a loaded tour through the Washington Cascades this 
summer and swapped the front pads only for black Kool Stop pads. Honestly, 
I didn't notice a huge difference. I still have stock Shimano pads in the 
rear and braking is great. I haven't used them at all in the rain though.

Be careful with your ascension, and if it becomes too much, I'm sure the 
brakes will stop it.

Darin

On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 10:27:17 AM UTC-7, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> Darin- 
> Shockingly this braking Nirvana was with the stock pads. With KoolStops I 
> think I’d be transcendent. 
>
> -J

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[RBW] Re: A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor

[Pondero]

Thank you for this uplifting story.  I always enjoy stories like this.  
They inspire me to be better than I am.

The funny thing about this story is that when I read it, I thought to 
myself...I know people who would do something like this!  So, when I 
remembered the high quality of my friends, I was doubly blessed by your 
account.

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Re: CX70 Brakes OR Typically late to the party

[Justin, Oakland]

Darin-
Shockingly this braking Nirvana was with the stock pads. With KoolStops I think 
I’d be transcendent. 

-J

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[RBW] Re: CX70 Brakes OR Typically late to the party

[DarinM]

Justin,

The CX-50's are identical in geometry to CX-70's as best as I can tell. Any 
differences are minor and likely do not make for any difference in 
performance. The actual differences comes down to finish and stock pads, 
70's come with OK pads in shoes and 50's come with OK bare pads. I prefer 
the finish/looks of the 50's myself and have have found that there are 
Shimano pad shoes (for BR-6700) with the same finish.

They really are great brakes. The spacers and fixed straddle length take 
away almost all error associated in cant setup.

Darin

On Wednesday, October 17, 2018 at 10:00:19 AM UTC-7, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> So I’ve shied away from cantis for a while because I just couldn’t do it. 
> Something was always off.  Stopping power, lever feel, lever travel or 
> something else. Went so far as to put Paul MiniMotos on my SimpleOne when I 
> briefly had it. 
>
> But when building a 90s MTB to haul a kid you gotta go with what you get. 
> Luckily I found a set of CX70s in NOS condition on the local Craigslist and 
> the guy shipped them to me because getting over into the city from Oakland 
> just isn’t worth it these days. 
>
> Yesterday I did my first dirt ride with my daughter (Bort Meadow for the 
> locals) and it was a blast. However at the end I took a path I’ve ridden 
> before that’s alongside the fire road not remembering that it’s both a 
> fairly steep single track climb and has a couple small descents. When 
> navigating this with a 9.5 month old in a seat in front of you all that’s 
> keeping you from a CPS call is your brakes. And WOW. The CX70s were 
> AMAZING. I would actually say they (paired with 80s Dia Compe moto-style 
> levers) came close to my Deore level hydros (that need tons of 
> maintenance). Great modulation, perfect stopping power for my 180 + 20 + 
> bike + baby seat + diaper bag in the Carradice. 
>
> It’s really a shame they’ve been discontinued and blown out everywhere. 
> Are the CX50s comparable in any way? I am now hunting for a set of CX70s to 
> keep in reserve alongside my 26x2.1 ThunderBurts... 
>
> -J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quick removal of full-coverage fenders

[Joe Bernard]

That's the odd part, I don't see any video or instructions of how the front 
fender detaches from the bracket. You'd think people would want to know how a 
quick-release fender quick-releases 樂 

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[RBW] CX70 Brakes OR Typically late to the party

[Justin, Oakland]

 So I’ve shied away from cantis for a while because I just couldn’t do it. 
Something was always off.  Stopping power, lever feel, lever travel or 
something else. Went so far as to put Paul MiniMotos on my SimpleOne when I 
briefly had it. 

But when building a 90s MTB to haul a kid you gotta go with what you get. 
Luckily I found a set of CX70s in NOS condition on the local Craigslist and the 
guy shipped them to me because getting over into the city from Oakland just 
isn’t worth it these days. 

Yesterday I did my first dirt ride with my daughter (Bort Meadow for the 
locals) and it was a blast. However at the end I took a path I’ve ridden before 
that’s alongside the fire road not remembering that it’s both a fairly steep 
single track climb and has a couple small descents. When navigating this with a 
9.5 month old in a seat in front of you all that’s keeping you from a CPS call 
is your brakes. And WOW. The CX70s were AMAZING. I would actually say they 
(paired with 80s Dia Compe moto-style levers) came close to my Deore level 
hydros (that need tons of maintenance). Great modulation, perfect stopping 
power for my 180 + 20 + bike + baby seat + diaper bag in the Carradice.

It’s really a shame they’ve been discontinued and blown out everywhere. Are the 
CX50s comparable in any way? I am now hunting for a set of CX70s to keep in 
reserve alongside my 26x2.1 ThunderBurts...

-J

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[RBW] OT FS: Brompton BWC Edition

[Joe Bernard]

SOLD

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[RBW] Re: Shimano 10-speed on Sam

[Joe Bernard]

I was wondering where you went! 

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[RBW] Re: Clem L 59 -- Considering a purchase

[Doug H.]

Which bars do you have on your Clem L DadDadDaddio?  I have considered this 
bike as well and am waffling back and forth between the 52 and 59. I’m close to 
your same height and have a 83 PBH. Are you stretched out at all on it to reach 
the bars?
Thanks,
Doug

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[RBW] Re: Brisk start to Coffeeneuring 2018

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

G.E., those are gaters, double ventile from Hilltrek (modified to work with 
minimalist footwear). A core concept to staying warm is moisture management, 
and a great way to do that is highly breathable insulative layers over a 
fishnet underlayer (no sweat next to the skin that way, and vapor escapes 
easier than liquid), and when needed an outer wind layer that is highly 
breathable. Also, part of the secret to warm feet is warm legs as well as 
oversized shoes so insulative socks don’t compress circulation. Feet should 
easily slide inside the shoe a bit on the pedal.

In this case, I rode up, intentionally slightly underdressed to “test” where I 
was in heat generation, as well as my tweed breeks, temps dropped faster than 
usual as I climbed as the coldfront settled in. When I reached the writing nook 
I was delighted to put on the extra layers I’d shoved into my panniers “just in 
case” as I was new to the season. 

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Clem L 59 -- Considering a purchase

[DadDadDaddio]

I ride a green Clem L 59. I have no idea what my PBH is, but I'm 5'9" and 
it fits fine. I've been in too-small frames before and decided to go big 
this time with the bail out being the step through frame. It's perfect for 
me; the big frame rides/handles better than any medium size frame I've ever 
owned, and the Clem package overall just feels like a much more expensive 
bike. I'm extremely happy with it. I don't bother with a water bottle cage; 
I have a tube sack on the handlebars and a basket on the rear wheel rack; I 
throw my water bottle in one of those, and drink when I'm stopped for a 
break. The green is beautiful in person, especially on a sunny day. I added 
a Brooks B67 saddle and RIV's MKS Grip King pedals to mine ... both are 
terrific.

Some observations that may help you down the road. 

   1. The 59 frame is larger is almost every dimension ... it's not just 
   "taller." That means the frame is wider in the chain stay/rear fork area. 
   The Clem rack fits fine but you have to mount the rack's support stays to 
   the outside of the rack to attach to the frame without tension. This makes 
   the pannier bars a little awkward to mount. I think they could be ganged on 
   the outside of the support stays using longer screws, but they look funny 
   hanging out there.
   2. Because of the wider rear frame, the frame lock sold by RIV doesn't 
   fit the frame's mounting screws without widening the frame lock's slotted 
   mounting holes. The slots are designed to allow the lock to fit a variety 
   of frame widths, but it doesn't go quite wide enough to handle the Clem 59. 
   Its an easy job to widen the frame-lock's slotted holes using a 
   Dremel/grinder bit, but its a surprise when you first dry fit the lock and 
   things don't line up.
   3. The kickstand that comes with the 59 is way to short to handle the 
   bike. I've changed out the stock kickstand for a Pletscher I could cut to 
   the correct length.

For me, the Clem was the perfect choice. I ride paved trails and light 
desert trails (no mountain climbing or rock hopping) and its very easy to 
ride and comfortable on either. Good luck with your decision!

On Friday, October 5, 2018 at 1:49:36 PM UTC-5, RDS wrote:
>
> I am thinking of getting a Clem L frame or complete bike.  
>
> The latest catalog has a min PBH of 83 for the size 59.  I am 83+/-.  
> Anyone near PBH own one and have any comments?  I am overweight, so most 
> riding will be paved paths.
>
> Looks like Gray or Green for a color choice.  Your vote?
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Mounting Supernova E3

[Tim Gavin]

Hayden-

I assume you are trying to use the full "adjustable gooseneck" mount on the
Supernova?  The one that is designed to bolt straight into the fork crown
(where the M-1 needs to go)?
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-y8SpOK-zJgI/TnOA2UFSUhI/AE8/c8ChnbJXyjc/s320/dynolight%2B005.jpg

I would replace either the lower or upper bolt of the "gooseneck" mount
with a longer bolt (and nut, maybe), and then go into the side of the fork
eyelet or rack eyelet.

This guy removed the gooseneck entirely and just bolted the Supernova to
the eyelet on the side of his rack.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-L0eCq4sUe7o/Ve9ALbBFYYI/nPw/Pc0gcT1ozZs/s1600/IMG_6555.JPG


On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 9:41 AM Hayden  wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I just received my bike and it came with a Supernova E3 pro and I am also
> running a Riv Nitto Mark's  M-1 rack.
>
> The light's mount seems to want to only mount on something forward facing,
> I do not want to mount to handlebars. Right now I have it directly to an
> upper braze-on on my fork lower then my rack but the light is turned 90
> degrees so the beam to not hit the road correctly. Was wondering if anyone
> found a way to mount this light to a rack or a fork braze on and work
> correctly.
>
> Thanks
> -H
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 at 1:24:03 PM UTC-7, Lynne Fitz wrote:
>>
>> I did it like this:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/4880093774/
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/4879487225/
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/4879488343/
>>
>> Custom rack, fork and frame, yes. :-)  But the mounting still took a
>> bit of puzzling out and a trip or two to my favorite old-fashioned
>> hardware store.
>>
>> Lynne F
>>
>> On Apr 25, 7:40 am, Tom Harrop  wrote:
>> > I've mounted them on both a Mark's rack and a Nitto mini-front. My
>> methods
>> > were a bit kludgey and the aesthetics may displease the rando crowd but
>> I
>> > can tell you they work fine.
>> >
>> > For the mini-front I bolted the Supernova multimount to the hole in the
>> > front tab of the rack. That gives a great light position and I don't
>> think
>> > water spray has been a problem because I have the long Berthoud
>> fenders.
>> > It's also protected from bumps by the tyre. Photo here<
>> http://flic.kr/p/bvSBMV>.
>> > The downside is that it's highly visible when the bike is parked and
>> I'm a
>> > bit worried it will get lifted.
>> >
>> > On the Mark's I made a little mount by bending some stainless steel. It
>> > worked out a quite similar shape to the mount VO sells<
>> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/lighting/dynamo/vo...>
>> but
>> > obviously heavier (maybe stronger too?). If I'd known about the VO
>> mount
>> > before I made it I probably would've just bought one of them. I
>> attached
>> > the mount to the right hand rack stay by using a spare daruma bolt, or
>> you
>> > can piggy-back it where the stay attaches to the rack (like in this
>> photo).
>> > In this case the light is less visible and better protected under the
>> > basket, but you have to put up with a bit of tyre shadow.
>> >
>> > Good luck, I'd be interested to see some photos when you're done!
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[RBW] Re: Mounting Supernova E3

[Hayden]

Hey all,

I just received my bike and it came with a Supernova E3 pro and I am also 
running a Riv Nitto Mark's  M-1 rack. 

The light's mount seems to want to only mount on something forward facing, 
I do not want to mount to handlebars. Right now I have it directly to an 
upper braze-on on my fork lower then my rack but the light is turned 90 
degrees so the beam to not hit the road correctly. Was wondering if anyone 
found a way to mount this light to a rack or a fork braze on and work 
correctly.

Thanks
-H


On Wednesday, April 25, 2012 at 1:24:03 PM UTC-7, Lynne Fitz wrote:
>
> I did it like this: 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/4880093774/ 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/4879487225/ 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynnefitz/4879488343/ 
>
> Custom rack, fork and frame, yes. :-)  But the mounting still took a 
> bit of puzzling out and a trip or two to my favorite old-fashioned 
> hardware store. 
>
> Lynne F 
>
> On Apr 25, 7:40 am, Tom Harrop  wrote: 
> > I've mounted them on both a Mark's rack and a Nitto mini-front. My 
> methods 
> > were a bit kludgey and the aesthetics may displease the rando crowd but 
> I 
> > can tell you they work fine. 
> > 
> > For the mini-front I bolted the Supernova multimount to the hole in the 
> > front tab of the rack. That gives a great light position and I don't 
> think 
> > water spray has been a problem because I have the long Berthoud fenders. 
> > It's also protected from bumps by the tyre. Photo here<
> http://flic.kr/p/bvSBMV>. 
> > The downside is that it's highly visible when the bike is parked and I'm 
> a 
> > bit worried it will get lifted. 
> > 
> > On the Mark's I made a little mount by bending some stainless steel. It 
> > worked out a quite similar shape to the mount VO sells<
> http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/lighting/dynamo/vo...> 
> but 
> > obviously heavier (maybe stronger too?). If I'd known about the VO mount 
> > before I made it I probably would've just bought one of them. I attached 
> > the mount to the right hand rack stay by using a spare daruma bolt, or 
> you 
> > can piggy-back it where the stay attaches to the rack (like in this 
> photo). 
> > In this case the light is less visible and better protected under the 
> > basket, but you have to put up with a bit of tyre shadow. 
> > 
> > Good luck, I'd be interested to see some photos when you're done!

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[RBW] Re: Pedal Bikes, Shoot Film Posters For Sale

[Matt Argomaniz]

I think I saw one of these in the store the other day. I love that you 
include the camera and film details at the bottom.

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Re: [RBW] FS: Compass Antelope Hill/ Paul Seatpost/ Paul chain tensioner

[Mike Williams]

Hey Steve,  all yours.  My paypal is this address.I might be able to get it 
out today.   Please send shipping address.   -Mike

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 17, 2018, at 10:38 AM, Steven Sweedler  wrote:
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> Mike, interested in the  seatpost if still available. Steve
> 
>> On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:30 PM Michael Williams 
>>  wrote:
>> Hey group,  couple things for sale:
>> Compass Antelope Hill 700x55 tires,  gently used maybe 50miles-   $105 
>> shipped
>> Paul Tall and Hsndsome seatpost- Silver, 27.2- $100 shipped
>> Paul Melvin chain tensioner-gently used-  silver- $65 shipped
>> 
>> I can provide pics if you’d like.   Thank you!   -Mike
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[RBW] Re: Shimano 10-speed on Sam

[cam starnes]

I swear I have responded to all of these posts, but my posts take forever 
to be approved, so the conversation may be beyond revival. Thank you all 
for your responses, nonetheless.

On Sunday, 14 October 2018 15:39:12 UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Here's that Sam as a double 11 with dirtdrops. I remember seeing it with 
> Albas on the Blahg, but can't find that one right now. 
>
> https://www.analogcycles.com/2018/03/
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[RBW] A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor

[Christopher Murray]

What an amazing story! Several years back, my girlfriend (now wife) and I rode 
from Seattle, WA to Cape Cod, MA. It was just the two of us and we camped 
almost every night and cooked all of our meals on a small backpacking stove. 
The thing that stays with me all these years later (18 years to be exact) is 
the incredible kindness of complete strangers. Despite what you see and hear on 
the news, people went out of their way to be kind and generous to us— from 
little things like a smile and a wave to big things like home cooked meals and 
safe refuge from crazy storms. 

We live in a crazy world but 99.99% of the people I’ve come in contact with are 
caring and generous and thoughtful and giving. Your story is a great example. 
Thank so much for sharing it.

Chris 

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[RBW] Schwalbe g-one speed 2.35 on MIT Atlantis?

[Todd Jones]

I can't speak from experience yet, but I talked with Will about the 700c 
version, and he said that both the G-One Speed (2.35) and Allround will fit the 
59 MIT Atlantis frame I just ordered. That's on Cliffhangers.

As general clearance info, when the new Atlantis was released, I called Riv to 
ask about it and was told that it will take up to 55mm nobbies or 58mm slickish 
tires.

Todd
Bloomington, IN

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[RBW] Re: A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor

[JWoiton, IND, IN]

To use a well-worn comment from reddit, Ïs someone slicing onions in here? 
Great story, best of luck with future challenges. Blessings on the 
Benefactor.

On Wednesday, October 10, 2018 at 10:59:54 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
> A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor: A True and Heartwarming Rivendell Tale 
>
> If you are living here and now, you probably notice a scarcity of kindness 
> and generosity. You aren’t sure how we got here and how to change it, and 
> also, you’re exhausted. What can we really do? This is a story that turns 
> one’s typical experience on its head - a story that takes the word kind and 
> stretches it, tests it, transforms it. In this story, we see the word 
> kindness become generosity. 
>
> Generous. When was the last time someone was generous with you? So 
> generous you stood there, nonplussed and humbled? Merriam-Webster defines 
> the word generous as “liberal in giving: openhanded.” I will tack onto that 
> definition from the Book of Leah: “giving until it pinches a bit; the kind 
> of giving that costs one something; giving without expectation for 
> something in return; a higher form of kindness.” (Also, there would be some 
> stuff about Jesus in there, but this is not that forum so I will refrain, 
> but it will be hard.) 
>
> Where you find generosity, there you will find kindness, also. 
>
> This is a story about a benefactor. This is a story about a boy. And 
> finally, this is a story about a bike. Your icing on the cake: this is a 
> story about a convergence of the three. 
>
> I had found myself in need of a bigger bike for my 12 year old son, Ethan. 
> He had ridden his Specialized Hotrock from 1st grade until now, his 7th 
> grade year. In kid years, that’s a coon’s age to have ridden one bike. We 
> ride to school every week, 2 miles one way, and we need  dependable, 
> quality bikes to do it. Bikes for pre-teens are rare as hen’s teeth; but 
> you know this. The company I was depending on for a kids’ bicycle had 
> suddenly closed its doors, so I turned to the Riv List, as is my custom. 
> Though disappointed about losing my first choice, I knew I’d be shown the 
> right places to shop, and be on my way with the problem solved. 
>
> This is exactly what happened. I reached out, people were kind, I took a 
> recommendation, and I ordered a bike with a bullet-proof return policy. 
> Several days went by, and then one night I decided to clean out my email. 
> In my Junk folder, there was an email I had never seen, from several days 
> prior, and this is what it said: 
>
> “If you are second guessing yourself, and humble enough to accept a 
> generous gift for one of my favorite riding families; if you would accept a 
> 45cm Clem to pass down to your boys I would happily cover the difference 
> between the Woom you ordered and the mini Clem to help RBW. My only request 
> is that if you accept; to keep me anonymous.” 
>
> Let that sink in. Do you know what he’s saying? Look again...read it a few 
> times...see if you can believe it. He had to spell it out for me when I 
> couldn’t get my mind around it. Emails. A phone call: Take the money you 
> planned to spend on the other bike; put it into a little Clem, the rest is 
> covered. This is a Benefactor, proposing a deal that costs him to bless 
> another. An openhanded giver, giving so that it pinches. 
>
> When was the last time someone was generous to you? 
>
> Once I understood, there was a choice to make. What did the Benefactor 
> ask? Am I humble enough to accept a generous offer - that was his question. 
> Reflexively: I am not, and this is pride. I don’t deserve a Benefactor. I 
> didn’t earn this bike. I haven’t done anything for this man. I won’t likely 
> have a chance to repay him for his kindness. How can I make it equal? Fair 
> to him? Say no, said my pride. 
>
> When was the last time someone was generous to you? Did you allow it? 
>
> So we spoke on the phone. We had a lovely discussion about who he is and 
> how he arrived at this idea, and why he sent the email. Then I realized: my 
> Benefactor wasn’t looking to make it equal. He was aiming for quite the 
> opposite. 
>
> When was the last time someone took less so you could have more? 
>
> I spoke to Ethan this morning, asked him what he thought. It was Christmas 
> in October around here - there was actual jumping for joy. “I never thought 
> I’d have a Rivendell!”  Humbled, I agreed to the deal. Our Benefactor took 
> care of everything. He made the call, placed the order, sent me an email 
> with an order confirmation, and now there’s a little silver mini-Clem, 
> pony-like and lovely, with a boy’s name on it, sent from a Benefactor he 
> can never repay. 
>
> When was the last time you were generous to someone who would never repay 
> you? 
>
> Today, inexplicably, we were on the receiving end of a grand gesture. I 
> don’t know that our Benefactor can truly know the depths at which we feel 
> this. I will tell this story, 

[RBW] Re: Shimano 10-speed on Sam

[cam starnes]

Turkey Vulture Supreme gearing! This is great. Thanks, Joe.

On Sunday, 14 October 2018 15:39:12 UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> Here's that Sam as a double 11 with dirtdrops. I remember seeing it with 
> Albas on the Blahg, but can't find that one right now. 
>
> https://www.analogcycles.com/2018/03/
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[RBW] Re: Shimano 10-speed on Sam

[cam starnes]

That looks good! This is very similar to what I'm thinking. And that White 
Industries crank is just incredible... I've always wanted the "excuse" to 
buy one. Maybe this is it!

On Sunday, 14 October 2018 13:21:50 UTC-4, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> My wife’s Betty Foy was just re-did with 1x10 Shimano SLX shifter and 
> derailleur without a sunrace 11-42 cassette. BUT a Suntour crank with 36 
> chainring and s¡lver chainguard. It’s beautiful, very modern and enjoyable 
> in a brutalist type of way. I’m 70% sold on doing the same to my Saluki 
> with a White Industries all black crank. 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/justinaugust/shares/A8S0F7 
>
> -J

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[RBW] Re: Shimano 10-speed on Sam

[cam starnes]

Good point. Especially with 11-50 cassettes out there. What other gears 
could one possibly ever need?

On Sunday, 14 October 2018 10:38:33 UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
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> Might as well go 1x11

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[RBW] Re: Shimano 10-speed on Sam

[cam starnes]

Oddly black and modern, I agree. My Sam is black, so I figure the black 
will be somewhat less jarring (to my eyes, anyway) than if it were orange 
or blue, but I kind of think it's cool, too. Some of the Blue Lug builds of 
Rivs and, especially, Crusts are inspiring me. No complaints about the 
current square taper BB, Silver crank, satin Nitto stuff I have on now, but 
still curious. Anybody seen Rivs running external bearing BBs? Is the one 
at Analog set up that way?

On Sunday, 14 October 2018 02:47:07 UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> Analog Cycles has a Sam built up with a 10-(maybe it's 11)speed wide range 
> cassette and single chainring. The parts look oddly black and modern on 
> that frame, but I think it's cool. 

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Re: [RBW] FS: Compass Antelope Hill/ Paul Seatpost/ Paul chain tensioner

[Steven Sweedler]

Mike, interested in the  seatpost if still available. Steve

On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 10:30 PM Michael Williams 
wrote:

> Hey group,  couple things for sale:
> Compass Antelope Hill 700x55 tires,  gently used maybe 50miles-   $105
> shipped
> Paul Tall and Hsndsome seatpost- Silver, 27.2- $100 shipped
> Paul Melvin chain tensioner-gently used-  silver- $65 shipped
>
> I can provide pics if you’d like.   Thank you!   -Mike
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quick removal of full-coverage fenders

[Tim Gavin]

Joe-

Watch the video on that page, and it's clear that the rear fender uses
clips at the seat tube and brake bridge.  So the rear fender could be
removed with relative ease.

The front fender, however, attaches to the bracket *before* you bolt it to
the fork crown, so it would require removal of that bolt to be removed
(Sheldon's nut would make that relatively easy.

However, these PDW Sodapop fenders don't provide that much coverage, and
since they have no stays they would likely vibrate all over the place and
create a noisy racket.

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> These PDW fenders are apparently quick-release, although I've had an oddly
> difficult time finding anything that shows how it's done.
>
> https://ridepdw.com/products/sodapop-fenders?variant=24676947585
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Re: [RBW] FS: Compass Antelope Hill/ Paul Seatpost/ Paul chain tensioner

[Mike Williams]

Standard

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 17, 2018, at 10:24 AM, Kainalu V.  wrote:
> 
> Are the tires the standard casing or the extralight casing?
> -Kai
> BKNY 
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[RBW] FS: Nitto 32f mini front rack & Compass M13 rack w/ light mount

[phil k]

I bought these for a bit for bikes that never materialized. Both brand new.

Nitto 32f mini front rack $100 shipped

Compass M13 w/ light mount $150 shipped

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quick removal of full-coverage fenders

[Joe Bernard]

These PDW fenders are apparently quick-release, although I've had an oddly 
difficult time finding anything that shows how it's done. 

https://ridepdw.com/products/sodapop-fenders?variant=24676947585

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[RBW] FS: Compass Antelope Hill/ Paul Seatpost/ Paul chain tensioner

[Kainalu V.]

Are the tires the standard casing or the extralight casing?
-Kai
BKNY 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Jerseys, shorts, knickers - Ibex, Giro, Club Ride, Novara

[Cody Bartz]

Kevin,

Could you measure the armpit to armpit distance on the Ibex jersey? Also, 
what is the length of the front and back, from the seam on the neck? Thank 
you! - Cody

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[RBW] Re: Brisk start to Coffeeneuring 2018

[G.E.]

Dig those boot covers! Might need to look into something like that as the 
snow seems to be coming, whether I'm ready or not. :) 

Looks like a fun start to the Coffeeneuring challenge!!

On Sunday, October 14, 2018 at 3:57:39 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Starting off right in the highlands of Colorado with a climb up from a 
> balmy 15˚F at 7,800 ft. to a brisk 0˚F at 9,200 ft with flurries. Here’s my 
> log (they’ll all be in this same post): 
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/coffeeneuring-challenge-2018/
>
> Looking forward to what the weather brings for the next six! 
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quick removal of full-coverage fenders

[Takashi]

Tully,

Several years ago I saw a photo in a bike magazine which showed a 
quick-release rear fender.
I think I threw the magazine away, but I remember that it had a latch catch 
clip where it attaches to chainstay bridge.

When you create your quick release fenders, please post pictures!

Takashi


Tully Lanter wrote:
>
> Takashi - brilliant! I'll have to take a stab at something like that. 
> Spaced out and forgot that I will have v-brakes which greatly simplify 
> things (as Joe pointed out)...but I'm all for clever solutions anyhow! 
>
> Reginald - sounds like a cool product. Time to peruse eBay... 
>
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[RBW] FS: 47cm Rivendell Roadini

[G.E.]

After purchasing a Rivendell Roadini, I quickly realized that it is a 
near-duplicate of another bike I own. Since I've been clearing things out 
and trying to get to a reasonable number of bikes, this one is on the 
chopping block. 

Here are the quick stats, for anyone who may be interested:

47cm Rivendell Roadini frame/fork
Pacenti Brevet 650B wheelset
Continental 650Bx32 tires 
Bar-end shifters, 3x9 drivetrain with Sugino 170 crank
Tektro mid-reach brake calipers; Origin 8 brake levers
Ultegra front derailleur
Deore rear derailleur

Frame/fork and wheels have less than 100 miles.

Photos can be seen 
here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/54032207@N04/albums/72157702339545464

Asking $1100 for the full build (minus pedals, saddle and bottle cage) + 
$100 for continental US shipping.

Thanks! :)

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[RBW] Re: Quick removal of full-coverage fenders

[Takashi]

Thank you Erl.

Front fender is attached with ordinary bolts.
I did this to the rear fender for rinko-ability. (Bringing my bike into 
train)
I need to remove rear fender, but not front fender.
https://flic.kr/p/gJAK24
When I pack my bike, I remove whole front fork from the frame. Front fender 
and rack stays on the fork.
Technically you can bring your bike into train by simply removing both 
wheels from your bike, but I have front fender and front rack, so removing 
whole fork is easier for me.

Takashi


WETH wrote:
>
> Takashi,
> That is awesome!  Did you create something similar on the front.
> The video and photos are quite helpful.
> With thanks,
> Erl
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 9:36:46 AM UTC-4, Takashi wrote:
>>
>> Forgot to add that I put SKS QR on rear dropout.
>>
>> Takashi
>>
>>
>> Takashi wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's what I have on my Hunq:
>>>
>>> I bought a piece of metal at local hardware store and filed off some bit.
>>> I attached it to the fender / kickstand mount on chainstays.
>>>
>>>
>>> I inserted a T-nut to fender, and a wing bolt to the T-nut. (Some 
>>> creativity will be required if your fenders are not wood.)
>>>
>>>
>>> I bought an L-shaped piece of metal, filed off some bit, and attached it 
>>> to the sliding clip (bridge hardware) of the fender.
>>>
>>>
>>> I inserted a long (50mm?) bolt into the hole of seatstay bridge 
>>> (inserted upward from under the bridge), and put some nuts, washers, and a 
>>> wingnut.
>>>
>>>
>>> ...And I can remove it without a tool!
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/gp/77318553@N08/917NA3
>>> (Sorry about lousy movie)
>>>
>>> Takashi
>>>
>>>
>>> Tully Lanter wrote:

 My upcoming Clem will pull occasional MTB duty. Our trails tend to have 
 lots of sticks and vegetation, so I'll probably remove the fenders.

 Has anyone rigged up a way to attach fender brackets in some sort of 
 quick-release fashion? Perhaps hardware like this 
 
  has 
 potential, if the right sizes are available...

 (I'm aware of Speed-Ez and other truly QR fenders, but they lack both 
 width and overall coverage.)

>>>

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[RBW] Re: iBob cross post: Which would you choose as a long distance road bike / rando-ish bike?

[Lum Gim Fong]

I woukd take the bike:
A) that takes less effort to pedal uphill
and
B) is the most comfortable.

One thing I noticed about rando rides are the hills.
On these long distance rides you repeatedly will go up 7% plus steeper grades 
and this will beat you up over the course of the ride. So whatever you take, it 
better get up hills as easy as poss, which may even be the Defy. Try a Flyer 
sprung saddle on it to make it more comfy and reduce road vibration. Inspect 
Defy composite seatpost monthy for cracks as I busted two of them on my Defy.

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[RBW] Fall cleaning sale

[Joe Bernard]

Hmm, that is a nice bar... 

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[RBW] Re: Therapeutic effects of night riding and eating

[Jon Spangler]

Andy and all,

Most of us (cyclists, pedestrians -- even drivers) seriously underestimate 
our visibility to others, no matter what time of day or year it is.
Your mention of wearing "reflective vests" is worth adding some additional 
details.

CLASS 2 SAFETY VESTS -- NOT RUNNER'S VESTS
I use and recommend wearing an ANSI "Class 2" reflective vest at night, in 
traffic, or 
wherever visibility is compromised (rain, fog,sleet, etc.). Combining a 
neon lime or international orange vest made of
mesh or polyester fabric with wide reflective stripes visible 360 degrees 
around (including vertically) works very well.
(Avoid cotton, vinyl, or canvas-like fabrics to ensure you won't drown in 
your own sweat.) 
My latest vest cost me $16 at Economy Lumber in Oakland, CA just three 
months ago.

Your local hardware store, Home Despot/Lowe's, or safety supply outlet, as 
well as U-Line, Grainger's, and other 
business supply houses will have what you need. Make sure there is room 
underneath for any 
extra layers needed in very cold weather.

VISIBLE WORK GLOVES
I wear Custom Leather Craft (CLC) *#128 "High Visibility" *gloves (orange 
with lime yellow and reflective accents, plus
device-friendly fingertips for those so inclined) year-round on my town 
bike. In colder weather, I wear light liners or 
fingerless cycling gloves underneath my CLC 128s. (Washing them regularly 
renews their brightness, BTW.)
SEE: https://cdn.goclc.com/pdf/2018/work-gear-catalog.pdf (scroll down to 
page 71) They are made of synthetic and breathable
materials so they work well in heat or cold. 

CLC now has LIGHTED gloves, too: see p.74 of their catalog for their *# L 
146 "Safety Viz Pro"* gloves,
a great way to "light up the night."

Wear a brightly-colored helmet and decorate it with liots of reflective 
neon stickers.

Reflective legbands (available at many bike shops) are another year-round 
essential for adequate "conspicuity."

Multiple flashing red lights (I lover my Planet Bike "Superflash" lights 
and my even-brighter rechargeable 50-65 lumen tail light.
And don't forget one flashing white light and one steady white light up 
front and/or on your helmet. 

Safe travels to you all every night!

Jon Spangler
League Cycling Instructor #3175
Alameda, CA USA













On Friday, October 12, 2018 at 2:45:48 PM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote:
>
> The season has set for the rides at the end of the day, my local group 
> rides are over and to keep riding are adjustments are necessary and have 
> been made. This week I have had the pleasure to get out twice with lights 
> and the dark season paradigm of my place in the urban landscape. 
>
> Tuesday I met my usual cohort from the group rides and we headed out at 
> actual sunset. We added reflective vests to augment front and rear lights 
> to compensate for the new time darkness settles. We're both experienced 
> riders and the muggy weather in the 70°s kept us lathered on our climbs and 
> faster segments. Darkness demands a return to caution perhaps taken lightly 
> through the summer when you can see everything and all is familiar. 
>
> There is restorative effect to the renew need for caution and mindfulness 
> that a couple of crusty old riders hadn't experienced in a while otherwise. 
> It makes the miles and sights new again. In this episode we concluded by 
> having a meal and prolonged conversation afterward. The moules frites, 
> brisket, crusty bread, ales and stouts rewarded the reflections of the ride 
> and all sorts of things from the past. My friend is going to carry my 
> interests to the Philly Bike Expo and we hashed over many topics of 
> interest to a couple of traditional bike technology aficionados.
>
>
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>
>
> Thursday night was going to be the arrival of fall by proclamation of the 
> TV meteorologists and our friend who expressed a real interest in riding at 
> night was in a pharmacology exam until almost sunset but texted that she 
> was absolutely game to ride, so I met her and began the evening with dinner 
> instead of finishing with it like Tuesday. 
>
>
> We had burritos from the truck in the nearby neighborhood rising from the 
> ashes around here. It was nice enough to eat at their picnic table in the 
> parking lot of the pizza joint sponsoring them. After finishing and getting 
> going I found myself in a very different mode with a rider who's been rind 
> in the city for a bit more than a year. I concentrated on sight and sound, 
> moved from intermediate destination to another at a steady pace to avoid 
> fearsomeness and found myself really