[RBW] FS: Orange Roadini frame 54cm

[Joe Bernard]

The number is for text. Or calling. Whichever!

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[RBW] FS: Orange Roadini frame 54cm

[Joe Bernard]

I know I know, I promised not to sell this one but I lucked into a raging deal 
on a NIB Appaloosas frame, then a raging deal on a Seven and...it's a long 
story involving I'm out of bike-storing room again. F/F/HS/post/BB, new a few 
months ago, very low miles (like, embarrassingly low).
54cm
$700 plus Bike Flights, probably about $50. 

The whole schlamozzle is for sale, too (now has Albas, not risers), but the 
build is probably too eccentric for y'all. Open to chats about partial builds 
with those new wheels, they have maybe 20 miles on them. 
Holla at me! 415 786 4623

https://photos.app.goo.gl/CmcidWGoWXrFHzUt6

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Re: [RBW] A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor

[Joe Bernard]

To clarify the saddle situation, it's already been Obenaufed a few times and 
ridden a while by me. I imagine it's still pretty stiff for Ethan's weight, but 
it'll break in quickly at the rate he's riding. 

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Re: [RBW] A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor

[Leah Peterson]

Mr. Tom,
What a fantastic letter - I can’t wait to read this to Ethan. Your points about 
using the bike without worry of beausage are spot on and we will adopt that 
mindset! The Clem truly is “A Tough Bike To Love.” Congrats on your 2nd Clem, 
and may there be a Clem L in your wife’s near future!
Leah

> On Oct 31, 2018, at 7:14 PM, tc  wrote:
> 
> Hey Ethan!
> 
> I'm really liking your Clem!  I'm wondering, which handlebar bag are you 
> using?  It looks to be just the right size ... not too big, not too small.  
> And the honey-colored Brooks saddle ... well ... I'm just sayin', it looks 
> super handsome (not pretty ... ugh).  I have a honey Brooks saddle on my 
> Clem, too.
> 
> So, crazy story here ... I had a Clem just like yours once.  Same color, just 
> a bit bigger.  I sold it, and pretty much regretted it ever since.  So, I got 
> another one!  Yep, folks think I'm kinda crazy, but oh well.  My wife 
> definitely thinks I'm crazy, but then, she loves my Clem :)  She thinks it 
> rides better than any of my bikes!  She has long legs like me, so she may 
> just get the same size as mine, but the "L" model.
> 
> I know the Brooks saddles take a while to break in, but they're worth it.  
> You need to take that saddle off every week and massage it with Proofide 
> every week for a while, pressing in hard with the heel of your hand, all over 
> the top.  Don't forget the underside, either.  Proofide will help protect the 
> bottom of the saddle from any water splashing up as you ride through puddles, 
> or in rain.  Get the edges, too. Doing this will not only protect the leather 
> from drying out, and from moisture, but it will also really help the saddle 
> loosen up over time and conform to the, ahem, shape of your backside.  And 
> the more you ride, the more your saddle will loosen up, and the better it'll 
> feel.  Eventually you won't need to Proofide it but 2 or 3 times a year...and 
> it will be the best-feeling saddle you've ever felt.
> 
> You're one lucky dude, and I know you know that.  I also know you're probably 
> scared of scratching it, or crashing it into something, or just messing 
> something up.  Don't worry.  The guy who designed your Clem (you probably 
> know about him by now, Mr. Grant Petersen) designed Clem's to be really 
> tough.  In fact, we all think he likes it better when people don't worry 
> about scratching or dinging their bikes because that means they're being 
> well-used.  I'm sure he would tell you to Just Ride that bike and have fun, 
> and don't worry about hurting it!  It can take it.
> 
> Anyway, just wanted to congratulate you on your new bike, and wish for you 
> many fun miles riding around on it!
> 
> Mr. Tom
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[RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[tc]

Julian, could you share which tires and fenders you're using, and the 
sizes?  I don't think I've seen a Clem so dressed up ... it cleans up 
nicely...must be the rare "Esquire" package :)

Tom

On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 12:30:21 PM UTC-4, Julian Westerhout 
wrote:
>
> Tom, 
>
> You're right, the Clem is a great bike. I ride my 65 cm H  to work, around 
> town, and on errands...
>

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Re: [RBW] A Boy, A Bike, and A Benefactor

[tc]

Hey Ethan!

I'm really liking your Clem!  I'm wondering, which handlebar bag are you 
using?  It looks to be just the right size ... not too big, not too small.  
And the honey-colored Brooks saddle ... well ... I'm just sayin', it looks 
super *handsome *(not pretty ... ugh).  I have a honey Brooks saddle on my 
Clem, too.

So, crazy story here ... I had a Clem just like yours once.  Same color, 
just a bit bigger.  I sold it, and pretty much regretted it ever since.  
So, I got another one!  Yep, folks think I'm kinda crazy, but oh well.  My 
wife definitely thinks I'm crazy, but then, she loves my Clem :)  She 
thinks it rides better than any of my bikes!  She has long legs like me, so 
she may just get the same size as mine, but the "L" model.

I know the Brooks saddles take a while to break in, but they're worth it.  
You need to take that saddle off every week and massage it with Proofide 
every week for a while, pressing in hard with the heel of your hand, all 
over the top.  Don't forget the underside, either.  Proofide will help 
protect the bottom of the saddle from any water splashing up as you ride 
through puddles, or in rain.  Get the edges, too. Doing this will not only 
protect the leather from drying out, and from moisture, but it will also 
really help the saddle loosen up over time and conform to the, ahem, shape 
of your backside.  And the more you ride, the more your saddle will loosen 
up, and the better it'll feel.  Eventually you won't need to Proofide it 
but 2 or 3 times a year...and it will be the best-feeling saddle you've 
ever felt.

You're one lucky dude, and I know you know that.  I also know you're 
probably scared of scratching it, or crashing it into something, or just 
messing something up.  Don't worry.  The guy who designed your Clem (you 
probably know about him by now, Mr. Grant Petersen) designed Clem's to be 
really tough.  In fact, we all think he likes it better when people don't 
worry about scratching or dinging their bikes because that means they're 
being well-used.  I'm sure he would tell you to Just Ride that bike and 
have fun, and don't worry about hurting it!  It can take it.

Anyway, just wanted to congratulate you on your new bike, and wish for you 
many fun miles riding around on it!

Mr. Tom

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[RBW] Re: Rambouillet vs. Roadeo?

['Forrest' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I've had two of each. I agree completely with Max Beach's assessment, 
especially this: "Roadeo is a bit lighter, feels a bit more sprightly on 
the steep climbs.  But just a bit.  They are both smooth as butter and very 
comfortable." 

On Friday, January 26, 2018 at 3:48:03 PM UTC-6, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Please only those who have ridden both:
>
>
> I own a blue Ram.
> Gonna be any noticeable ride diffs if I get a Roadeo?
> I do road riding with light loads.
> Just wondering if worth getting one or if it is virtually the same 
> experience.
> Thanks for the info.
>
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[RBW] Re: WTB: 59-61 Roadeo

['Forrest' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Dave, did you find what you are looking for? I have a 60cm blue Rambouillet 
for sale. 

On Wednesday, October 24, 2018 at 11:14:51 AM UTC-5, Dave Grossman wrote:
>
>
> Interested in potentially getting a Roadeo.  Im an 89.5 PBH so I am at the 
> top of the 59 and in the 61 range.  If anyone has one they are looking to 
> move let me know.  Could be a good time for both of us!  Complete preferred 
> but a F/F/HS is fine too. 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Finally a Rivendell Rider, Roadini done!

['Forrest' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Good for you! I love the color. 

On Thursday, October 25, 2018 at 7:28:21 PM UTC-5, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> When I was waiting on the initial Roadini pre-order, got interested in 
> motorcycles.  Roadini frame came, had all the parts and my interests were 
> elsewhere for the past ~year.  But finally got around to it.  Rode around 
> the neighborhood, seems to be exactly what I was seeking when I ordered.  
> In-between my touring tank, a Novara Randonee, and my twitchy road bike , a 
> scott S30.  My first build from a frame...
>
> [image: IMG_20181025_155845295.jpg]
>
> *Build List*
> Electrical tape for chainstay protector, forgot to order...
>
> Rivendell S!lver  170mm wide/low crankset 
> Ultegra CX70 front derailleur
> M952 xt rear derailleur 
> KMC 9 Speed Chain 
> XT M770 9 Speed 11-34 MTB Cassette 
>
> Microshift  2/3-9 speed bar end shifters
>
> Trp RRL SL brake levers 
> TRP - RG957 brake calipers
>
> Soma Fabrications Supple Vitesse EX Tire 700x33
> Fulcrum Cross Wheelset I had lying around
>
> nitto B-132 randonneur handlebars
> Nitto NTC-DX Technomic Deluxe Stem 100mm 
> NITTO NJ-SP72 Jaguar seatpost, no seatpost included for me :>(  
> Brooks B17 Select
>
> Yokozuna reaction cable and housing set
> Fizik Superlight Classic Bar Tape metallic blue, 
>
> to be installed after I weigh it :p
> King Iris cages
> crane e-ne copper bell 
>

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[RBW] Re: 68cm Rambouillet

['Forrest' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Gorgeous. Hope you find (maybe already have found?) a buyer who "fits" it. 
Coming with all those extras is especially nice. I may have missed, but do 
you have a price to share, or are you handling that via private messages? 
Thanks. 

On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 11:51:28 AM UTC-5, Lon Payne wrote:
>
> Hey folks--I am about to put my 68cm Rambouillet up for sale on Craigslist 
> (Sacramento area) and potentially ebay, but before I do that, I wanted to 
> check in with this group to see if this is someone's must-have dream bike.  
> When I bought this bike it had a mis-matched front wheel, but otherwise 
> seemed to be exactly as originally built--the only thing I've done to the 
> bike since I got it was to find the closest match I could to the rear wheel 
> (the new front is the same wheel as the rear except that it is bolt-on, the 
> rear is quick release) and install a matching Ruffy Tuffy tire.  This bike 
> has seen very little use over its life--it deserves an owner who will take 
> it places where it can shine, and unfortunately that isn't me at this stage 
> of my life with 3 young kids.  1x9 drivetrain.  Albatross bars with cork 
> grips.  Brooks sprung saddle.  Sackville bag.  Lovely bottle cages.  Brass 
> bell. Everything goes with the bike. If you need more info or you'd like to 
> talk to me about it, leave a comment below.  --Lon
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Re: [RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[tc]

Hmm, so, what's holding you back?  It's just money, right?!  I know, I 
know.  Seriously, if you don't want/need the complete, and it's a matter of 
getting the frame and some good used components, list what you'd need here 
and I'll bet you'd have it in no time.  I know I have some stuff to offer, 
and there are plenty here who've sold far more components than I've ever 
owned who'd jump at the chance to help out and clean off their shelves!

Tom

On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 6:32:18 PM UTC-4, dstein wrote:
>
> I *need* a cargo bike for the kids, but I *want* an Clem. This thread 
> isn't helping. Technically I don't need anything, we all have feet and live 
> w/in walking distance of most places we really need to go. But that doesn't 
> solve this n+1 problem. I can still access my bikes without moving around 
> some bikes to get to other bikes. Big problems.
>
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 3:26 PM tc > wrote:
>
>> Wow, Clem owners, keep the pic's coming!  Some really nice builds out 
>> there.  Just shows the versatility of this bike, from dirt drop campers to 
>> shiny-fendered limo's :)  It still amazes me what you get for the price.
>>
>> I'm feelin' the need for a Clem convention, esp with what has started out 
>> as a beautiful fall.
>>
>> Tom
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Re: [RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[David Stein]

I *need* a cargo bike for the kids, but I *want* an Clem. This thread isn't
helping. Technically I don't need anything, we all have feet and live w/in
walking distance of most places we really need to go. But that doesn't
solve this n+1 problem. I can still access my bikes without moving around
some bikes to get to other bikes. Big problems.

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 3:26 PM tc  wrote:

> Wow, Clem owners, keep the pic's coming!  Some really nice builds out
> there.  Just shows the versatility of this bike, from dirt drop campers to
> shiny-fendered limo's :)  It still amazes me what you get for the price.
>
> I'm feelin' the need for a Clem convention, esp with what has started out
> as a beautiful fall.
>
> Tom
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[RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[tc]

Wow, Clem owners, keep the pic's coming!  Some really nice builds out 
there.  Just shows the versatility of this bike, from dirt drop campers to 
shiny-fendered limo's :)  It still amazes me what you get for the price.

I'm feelin' the need for a Clem convention, esp with what has started out 
as a beautiful fall.

Tom

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 56cm Atlantis in Chicago

[Karl]

Julian,

My wife put up with me buying an All-Rounder last time we were in Chicago. If 
they would hold this u til I was up later in the month of November, I would be 
crazy enough to do it! I figure someone needs this more than I! 

Karl “Happy Wife, Happy Life” Worley
8 hours from target

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[RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

[tc]

Hey Rick, thanks.  My saddle height is 79.5cm.  My PBH is 90.5, and I'm 6' 
- 1/2" tall.

On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 2:08:46 PM UTC-4, RickH wrote:
>
> Hi, Tom:  What is your saddle height in the pics of your spectacular Clem? 
>
> Thanks, 
> Rick Hill

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[RBW] FS: MUSA shorts, U-Fix, size XL

[Shawn Granton]

Hello folks-

I have a pair of MUSA shorts, size XL that I've got kicking around. They 
are overall good, but need repair to make them completely functional again, 
and I'm not going to get around to fixing . The elastic belt has been 
replaced in last couple years. There are spots and such from years of use. 
Both rear pocket buttons are missing. And the right rear pocket is 
separating from body, needs restitching. 

I'm asking $15 for these shorts, price includes shipping in the US. Payment 
can be done via PayPal or Square Ca$h. Please message me if you are 
interested.

Photos can be found here: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanadventureleaguepdx/44594710345/in/dateposted/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanadventureleaguepdx/45457785102/in/dateposted/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/urbanadventureleaguepdx/31635782558/in/dateposted/


thank you,
Shawn

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[RBW] Re: 68cm Rambouillet

[Julian Westerhout]

Lon, 

A bit of strategically placed black tape here and there plus a sticker or 
three will have that lovely Ram looking less fancy and positively 
non-intimidating in a jiffy! 

You could always send it out for a paint job -- for a few hundred $$ you 
could have the only Redwood Green Ram on the planet! 

Best of luck in whatever you decide to do -- and happy riding!

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, Il 

On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 1:09:07 PM UTC-5, Lon Payne wrote:
>
> The fanciness of the Rambouillet intimidates me, to be honest.  My other 
> tall bikes are purpose-built and very workman-like, and they get the job 
> done, so the Ram just isn't getting the use it deserves.  Plus I prefer 
> Redwood green over Rambouillet blue.  Perhaps I'd feel differently if I had 
> one of the orange ones...
>
> On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 4:59:57 AM UTC-7, Julian Westerhout 
> wrote:
>>
>> Lon, 
>>
>> You say you've been dreaming of a Redwood, but you're selling its first 
>> cousin, the Rambouillet!  The Redwood was a tall-sizes only, slightly 
>> cheaper, slightly less fancy version of the bike you already own -- from 
>> the 2003 Riv catalog:  ""The Romulus and Redwood are complete road bikes 
>> based on the same frame design ideals as the Rambouillet, and only minor 
>> differences that allow a lower price without structural or real 
>> compromises." 
>>
>> You already own your dream bike! Perhaps you might want to reconsider 
>> selling it? 
>>
>> Julian "happy owner of a 68 cm Ram" Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL 
>>
>> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 11:52:34 PM UTC-5, Lon Payne wrote:
>>>
>>> Ah, yes...the Redwood!  That was the bike that got me interested in 
>>> Rivendells in the first place.  I saw this one online and have been 
>>> dreaming of one ever since:  
>>> https://www.pedalroom.com/bike/rivendell-redwood-21911
>>>
>>> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 11:59:46 AM UTC-7, kobe wrote:

 Thanks for the update Lon. I hope the new owner is a member of the 
 group. 

 Due to all the interest it might be a good time for Rivendell to bring 
 back the Redwood. 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 56cm Atlantis in Chicago

[Julian Westerhout]

Karl, it's only an 8 hour drive -- drive up Saturday, back home Sunday! Go 
for it!;)

Julian Westerhout
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On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 2:57:24 PM UTC-5, Karl wrote:
>
> Thank goodness I am nowhere near this. I would be in so much trouble. 
> Great deal! 
>
>
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/bik/d/rivendell-atlantis-bike/6737238503.html
>  
>
> Karl “I Want This” Worley 
> Nashville, TN 
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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA: 56cm Atlantis in Chicago

[Forrest Harvey]

Can anyone help facilitate?

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 1:09 PM DarinM  wrote:

> Wow that is a screaming deal. As an owner of the same (even though it's
> too small for me), that bike will make someone very happy.
>
> Darin
>
> On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 12:57:24 PM UTC-7, Karl wrote:
>>
>> Thank goodness I am nowhere near this. I would be in so much trouble.
>> Great deal!
>>
>>
>> https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/bik/d/rivendell-atlantis-bike/6737238503.html
>>
>> Karl “I Want This” Worley
>> Nashville, TN
>>
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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Lum Gim Fong]

Roadini specs from RBW:
Roadini: 
“0.9 x 0.7 TT and the length is cut from the butt (0.9) end. So you get the 
0.9 up at the front, where top tubes buckle. The 0.7 is on the thick side 
for a belly (though it's the same as old Columbus SP, which was 1.0 x 0.7 x 
1.0--as a historical reference). 
  
The 0.7 seat-post end is light. But that's the least stressed portion on a 
top tube. We use the same tube on our heavier bikes, but they're not 
"chopped from the butt." Weight  difference is minimal. 
  
DT is a tapered tube--31.8 x 1.1 at the head tube, to 28.6 x 0.8 at the 
bottom bracket. It's another "chopped from the butt" tube, to minimize the 
1.1 length, but still giving it a lot of buckle-resistance. 
  
You might wonder why a tapered tube here, and why not fatten it at the BB? 
(Like Serotta's old "Colorado Concept" tubes were.) Well...almost all of 
the tilting/fatigue stress down there at the crank is localized on the base 
of the seat tube. I've seen 30 bikes (not all ours, thanks...) break there, 
and zero break at the downtube. Strain gauge stess analysis reveals that 
the stress is light on the down tube, heavy on the seat tube. 
  
That's why, on our TIG'd bikes, the seat tube is 1.1 there, and ovalized 
laterally to 34.9 x 28.6.”

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[RBW] Re: PSA: 56cm Atlantis in Chicago

[DarinM]

Wow that is a screaming deal. As an owner of the same (even though it's too 
small for me), that bike will make someone very happy.

Darin

On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 12:57:24 PM UTC-7, Karl wrote:
>
> Thank goodness I am nowhere near this. I would be in so much trouble. 
> Great deal! 
>
>
> https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/bik/d/rivendell-atlantis-bike/6737238503.html
>  
>
> Karl “I Want This” Worley 
> Nashville, TN 
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[RBW] PSA: 56cm Atlantis in Chicago

[Karl]

Thank goodness I am nowhere near this. I would be in so much trouble. Great 
deal!

https://chicago.craigslist.org/wcl/bik/d/rivendell-atlantis-bike/6737238503.html

Karl “I Want This” Worley
Nashville, TN

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Daniel D.]

1. Roadini
2. 50CM
3. 25.2, 25.4 lbs,sometimes the scale says 25.2 sometimes 25.4
4. Build List
Rivendell S!lver  170mm wide/low crankset 
Ultegra CX70 front derailleur
M952 xt rear derailleur 
KMC 9 Speed Chain   
XT M770 9 Speed 11-34 MTB Cassette  

Microshift  2/3-9 speed bar end shifters

Trp RRL SL brake levers 
TRP - RG957 brake calipers

Soma Fabrications Supple Vitesse EX Tire 700x33
Fulcrum Cross Wheelset I had lying around

nitto B-132 randonneur handlebars
Nitto NTC-DX Technomic Deluxe Stem 100mm
NITTO NJ-SP72 Jaguar seatpost, no seatpost included for me :>(  

Brooks B17 Select

Yokozuna reaction cable and housing set
Fizik Superlight Classic Bar Tape metallic blue, 
King Iris cages
crane e-ne copper bell  

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Re: [RBW] 650B conversion for my Road Standard?

[Patrick Moore]

OS recommends 2 fl oz per road tire, 4 fl oz per mtb tire. I've found that
less works fine, and I probably put in 1.5 fl oz in a 26" road tube and I
do add 2 fl oz to my 700C X 60 (actual) tubeless tires every 3 months or
so. I'd guess that our goathead populations are as large as any others (if
yours are works, gawd help you!).

OS in tubes seems to last 12 to 18 months, at least, possibly longer,
though I've had to replace sealant-ized tubes for various reasons; bad
valve attachments, in several of my Schwalbe tubes.

(Hope to try Orange Seal Endurance Formula starting next year; will remove
tires and remove excessive OS Regular build up early in 2019, should I and
the world at large be around then.)

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 12:39 PM Keith Weaver 
wrote:

> The Compass ELs do sound like a good option, and I really don't want to
> have to give up these brakes and buy new wheels. How much Orange Seal would
> be recommended? I'm guessing around one ounce per tube?
>
> Thanks for the generous offers to test some 650B wheels, unfortunately
> it's a long haul from Reno, I don't think that's going to work for me.
>
> I do have a Velo Orange sprung saddle on another bike (Bridgestone XO-3),
> I could test whether I feel any benefit using that saddle. I will say I
> haven't felt it doing much on my XO-3 to soak up the bumps, maybe I just
> can't tell.
>
> Regarding the bar height, I think that photo makes it look a little more
> extreme than it actually is, but I'll try dropping them a bit to test the
> impact.
>
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 11:18 AM Patrick Moore 
> wrote:
>
>> Compass ELs with Orange Seal in tubes (and sufficient air pressure) are a
>> very workable goathead-country combination. I'd say that the tire savers
>> would be largely cosmetic if you have the sealant, and in fact -- haven't
>> tested this, but observations over the years may indicate it -- having the
>> little thorns stay in the casing a while before being flicked off may
>> actually help with the sealant's efficacy. But I still have a stash of the
>> tire savers myself, though none installed.
>>
>> I've never done a 650B conversion, but I'd question whether an early Riv
>> Road is the best platform: more bb drop, insufficient room for the fatter
>> 584 bsd tires (can the original Riv Roads take 650B X 42?), the ride
>> quality of the original as it was intended to be built up; and lastly, the
>> availability of Compass EL tires in the 700C width that will fit your
>> frame. My roads were built for 26" wheels and can take 32s and fenders, but
>> I find the actual-width 28 mm Elk Pass tire all I need in the way of speed
>> and comfort for road riding (these are labeled 32 and measure 27 and 29 on
>> my 19 and 21 mm rims, respectively) and even firm dirt and gravel.
>>
>> And, oh man, get that bar lower! I'll bet your back and backside both
>> will thank you for a bit of torso angle!
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 12:08 PM Keith Weaver 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for all the great replies, keep them coming! I hadn't considered
>>> a tire swap, but I have looked at the Compass tires section, that may be a
>>> good option. I'm in Reno, definitely goathead country. I'd probably get the
>>> Chinook Pass 28 mm tires with the extralight casing, and consider adding a
>>> bit of sealant to my tubes, and maybe even the tire wipers. My dad had
>>> those on his Peugeot PX-10, I do think they'd add a bit of retro flair, if
>>> nothing else.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] 650B conversion for my Road Standard?

[Keith Weaver]

The Compass ELs do sound like a good option, and I really don't want to
have to give up these brakes and buy new wheels. How much Orange Seal would
be recommended? I'm guessing around one ounce per tube?

Thanks for the generous offers to test some 650B wheels, unfortunately it's
a long haul from Reno, I don't think that's going to work for me.

I do have a Velo Orange sprung saddle on another bike (Bridgestone XO-3), I
could test whether I feel any benefit using that saddle. I will say I
haven't felt it doing much on my XO-3 to soak up the bumps, maybe I just
can't tell.

Regarding the bar height, I think that photo makes it look a little more
extreme than it actually is, but I'll try dropping them a bit to test the
impact.

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 11:18 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Compass ELs with Orange Seal in tubes (and sufficient air pressure) are a
> very workable goathead-country combination. I'd say that the tire savers
> would be largely cosmetic if you have the sealant, and in fact -- haven't
> tested this, but observations over the years may indicate it -- having the
> little thorns stay in the casing a while before being flicked off may
> actually help with the sealant's efficacy. But I still have a stash of the
> tire savers myself, though none installed.
>
> I've never done a 650B conversion, but I'd question whether an early Riv
> Road is the best platform: more bb drop, insufficient room for the fatter
> 584 bsd tires (can the original Riv Roads take 650B X 42?), the ride
> quality of the original as it was intended to be built up; and lastly, the
> availability of Compass EL tires in the 700C width that will fit your
> frame. My roads were built for 26" wheels and can take 32s and fenders, but
> I find the actual-width 28 mm Elk Pass tire all I need in the way of speed
> and comfort for road riding (these are labeled 32 and measure 27 and 29 on
> my 19 and 21 mm rims, respectively) and even firm dirt and gravel.
>
> And, oh man, get that bar lower! I'll bet your back and backside both will
> thank you for a bit of torso angle!
>
> On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 12:08 PM Keith Weaver 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all the great replies, keep them coming! I hadn't considered a
>> tire swap, but I have looked at the Compass tires section, that may be a
>> good option. I'm in Reno, definitely goathead country. I'd probably get the
>> Chinook Pass 28 mm tires with the extralight casing, and consider adding a
>> bit of sealant to my tubes, and maybe even the tire wipers. My dad had
>> those on his Peugeot PX-10, I do think they'd add a bit of retro flair, if
>> nothing else.
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Re: [RBW] Re: 68cm Rambouillet

[Patrick Moore]

I have to agree with the others: the Ram is a wonderful bike and I'd not
trade one for a Redwood. You can always collect a bit of beausage if the
quality of the paint and lugs intimidates you.

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Lum Gim Fong]

Roadini tubing way thicker walled than Roadeo. Below 59cm sizes Roadeos are 
6/4/6 DT/TT. 8/5/8 59 and up.
Rooadini is much thicker. I have an email with tubing specs from grant about 
it. I was researching lightest built frame to get. I posted it in another 
thread too. Have to dig out the email

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Re: [RBW] 650B conversion for my Road Standard?

[Patrick Moore]

Compass ELs with Orange Seal in tubes (and sufficient air pressure) are a
very workable goathead-country combination. I'd say that the tire savers
would be largely cosmetic if you have the sealant, and in fact -- haven't
tested this, but observations over the years may indicate it -- having the
little thorns stay in the casing a while before being flicked off may
actually help with the sealant's efficacy. But I still have a stash of the
tire savers myself, though none installed.

I've never done a 650B conversion, but I'd question whether an early Riv
Road is the best platform: more bb drop, insufficient room for the fatter
584 bsd tires (can the original Riv Roads take 650B X 42?), the ride
quality of the original as it was intended to be built up; and lastly, the
availability of Compass EL tires in the 700C width that will fit your
frame. My roads were built for 26" wheels and can take 32s and fenders, but
I find the actual-width 28 mm Elk Pass tire all I need in the way of speed
and comfort for road riding (these are labeled 32 and measure 27 and 29 on
my 19 and 21 mm rims, respectively) and even firm dirt and gravel.

And, oh man, get that bar lower! I'll bet your back and backside both will
thank you for a bit of torso angle!

On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 12:08 PM Keith Weaver 
wrote:

> Thanks for all the great replies, keep them coming! I hadn't considered a
> tire swap, but I have looked at the Compass tires section, that may be a
> good option. I'm in Reno, definitely goathead country. I'd probably get the
> Chinook Pass 28 mm tires with the extralight casing, and consider adding a
> bit of sealant to my tubes, and maybe even the tire wipers. My dad had
> those on his Peugeot PX-10, I do think they'd add a bit of retro flair, if
> nothing else.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 68cm Rambouillet

[Lum Gim Fong]

Those metallic green redwoods are pretty though.

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[RBW] Re: 68cm Rambouillet

[Lum Gim Fong]

Intimidates?

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[RBW] Re: Go Get A Clem, Folks! Clem H Initial Ride Report - 28 Oct 2018

['RickH' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi, Tom:  What is your saddle height in the pics of your spectacular Clem?

Thanks, 
Rick Hill

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[RBW] Re: 68cm Rambouillet

[Lon Payne]

The fanciness of the Rambouillet intimidates me, to be honest.  My other 
tall bikes are purpose-built and very workman-like, and they get the job 
done, so the Ram just isn't getting the use it deserves.  Plus I prefer 
Redwood green over Rambouillet blue.  Perhaps I'd feel differently if I had 
one of the orange ones...

On Wednesday, October 31, 2018 at 4:59:57 AM UTC-7, Julian Westerhout wrote:
>
> Lon, 
>
> You say you've been dreaming of a Redwood, but you're selling its first 
> cousin, the Rambouillet!  The Redwood was a tall-sizes only, slightly 
> cheaper, slightly less fancy version of the bike you already own -- from 
> the 2003 Riv catalog:  ""The Romulus and Redwood are complete road bikes 
> based on the same frame design ideals as the Rambouillet, and only minor 
> differences that allow a lower price without structural or real 
> compromises." 
>
> You already own your dream bike! Perhaps you might want to reconsider 
> selling it? 
>
> Julian "happy owner of a 68 cm Ram" Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>
> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 11:52:34 PM UTC-5, Lon Payne wrote:
>>
>> Ah, yes...the Redwood!  That was the bike that got me interested in 
>> Rivendells in the first place.  I saw this one online and have been 
>> dreaming of one ever since:  
>> https://www.pedalroom.com/bike/rivendell-redwood-21911
>>
>> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 11:59:46 AM UTC-7, kobe wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks for the update Lon. I hope the new owner is a member of the 
>>> group. 
>>>
>>> Due to all the interest it might be a good time for Rivendell to bring 
>>> back the Redwood. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Rear racks for kid seats

[Mohammad Sahrapour]

I've used the blackburn ex-1 with the co-pilot taxi seat on a few bikes. 
It's not the fanciest seat, but it's worked fine for us and the rack is 
very secure. I have the rack on a few bikes and my wife and I move the seat 
between the bikes when we're going on a ride. Overall, I've been happy with 
the setup.


On Tuesday, October 30, 2018 at 7:25:39 PM UTC-5, Drw wrote:
>
> I know the preference around here is for front mounted kid seats, but I 
> think I’m resigned to putting one on the rear. A quick peruse of the 
> ortlieb/tubus site informed me that none of their racks are rated for a 
> child seat. 
> This is pretty surprising to me, since I can’t imagine much more strength 
> in a rack...and I see a bunch of cheap aluminum ones online specifically 
> for putting a kid seat on. 
> Is there any collective thought on this? 
> Are there other (steel) racks known of that have been rated for a kid 
> seat? 
>

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[RBW] Re: The Rivendell Bike Weight Thread

[Kalmia Vt]

My Appaloosa (55cm) with fenders, front Mark's Rack and rear pannier rack, 
three water bottle cages and two semi-full bottles, frame pump, bell, and 
mirror, B-17 saddle, Gilles Berthoud front bag (with snacks, spare jersey, 
spare tube, tire levers, spare rechargeable light,and Crank-Brothers 
lightweight tool set), Silver triple crank, M-520 pedals, drop bar with 
cotton tape (Newbaum's, bright red) and three coats of shellac (amber), 
front and rear dynamo lights, SP dynamo hub, 36 spoke wheels, Cliffhanger 
rims, and WTB Riddler 700 x 45 tires (tubeless) weighs 41.0 pounds, as 
measured with the weigh-each-end-on-the-bathroom-scale method. Removing the 
pump, bag (and contents) and bottles to comply with the OP's stipulation 
reduces the weight to 33.5 pounds. 

On Sunday, August 3, 2014 at 4:04:20 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
>
> Since there has been curiosity about peoples' complete bikes' and/or 
> frames' weights, I figured it would be fun to reveal how much our Rivbikes 
> weigh.
>  
> Would be informative to know:
> 1. Model
> 2. Framesize
> 3. Weight of complete build, or your frameset. 
> (Including fenders/bottlecages/racks/lights/bells is ok since 
> dismantle-ization would be unfair to expect of a complete build. But no 
> bags/bottles on board, please).
> 4. Build list, if you feel up to all that typing. Would be fun to see what 
> everyone is hanging on their Rivs anyway. But that is a lot to ask and not 
> expected.
>  
> I would start, but I have to go home and weight the bikes first.
> So I will try to report back soon with my Sam and Bleriot weights.
>  
> And if you guys feel strongly about this being inappropriate for 
> Riv-culture, please delete the thread, but don't run me outta the forum on 
> a rail. This is all intended in good fun and info-purposes.
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Rear racks for kid seats

[Drw]

Haha ok im taking your word for it. 

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[RBW] Rear racks for kid seats

[Kainalu V.]

Having used the Yepp rack for years now, I declare that the only drawbacks are 
weight and that there's no pannier rails other than the grossly oversized top 
rail, which would work fine with strap on panniers. I brazed on some lower 
rails to get past the no pannier drawback (and made it even heavier!). The 
weight thing is so they, unlike Tubus or Nitto, can proudly say to go ahead and 
put your kid on this. The seat attachment system is quick and secure. In my 
opinion, if anyone's got major issues they want to complain about on the 
internet regarding these ugly, heavy, beautifully designed racks, their 
problems likely extend well beyond bike parts. Buy with confidence.
-Kai
BKNY 

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[RBW] 650B conversion for my Road Standard?

[Jim M.]

If you're in the Bay Area, I have enough spare parts (wheels and brakes) you 
can borrow to try a conversion. 

jim m
wc,  ca

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[RBW] Re: FOR SALE - Joe Appaloosa 58 cm Silver, Duotubus sp.

[Lum Gim Fong]

Gorgeous bike!

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[RBW] Re: For Sale: VO Thumb shifter Mounts

[Steve Butcher]

Time has passed, several have looked but no buyer has emerged.  I will drop 
my price to $50.00 with shipping split between me and the buyer CONUS.  
Steven.

On Friday, October 26, 2018 at 5:56:59 AM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>
> Several lookers but no takers.  I'll bump my price down to $60.00 shipped 
> CONUS.  PM me if interested.  Steve
>
> On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 10:32:13 AM UTC-5, Steve Butcher wrote:
>>
>> [image: 20181003_103229.jpeg]
>> Hello Forum,
>>  I'm offering for sale a complete set of  VO Thumb shifter mounts 
>> which are new in the box.  No levers are included in the offer.   I 
>> purchased them for use on my Rosco Bubbe which has Albatross bars in order 
>> to convert from bar end shifters.  I removed the rings from the box to 
>> attach them to the handlebars but did not proceed with the task of mounting 
>> the shift levers.  Gripping the handlebars and doing some mock shifting 
>> movements with my thumbs, I determined I had some thumb joint stiffness 
>> issues; no matter what position I would have placed the levers.  I feel 
>> those issues may be detrimental to my shifting properly.  I'm not really 
>> unhappy with my current bar ends but I'm a tinkerer at heart and that is 
>> why I purchased the mounts in the first place.  I want $65.00 for the 
>> Mounts which is the price VO charges before shipping.  I will split 
>> shipping costs with the purchaser; CONUS only, please.  My apology but this 
>> is a cross thread from iBOB.  I have had over 100 viewers but no takers.   
>> If the mounts sell, I will post a message with this post.  Please send me a 
>> private message with questions.   Thanks for checking in.
>> -Steve
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Stronglight Fenders

[Cody Bartz]

I ended up finding a used pair of Velo Orange Zeppelin 52mm fenders. I 
talked to Peter and it sounds like these are not rolled, providing lots of 
space. You could size them similar to a plastic fender. 

Cody

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Re: [RBW] FF: Riv catalogs and BQ magazines - All claimed.

[Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA]

Mags have been claimed. 

>
> Marty

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[RBW] Re: 68cm Rambouillet

[Julian Westerhout]

Lon, 

You say you've been dreaming of a Redwood, but you're selling its first 
cousin, the Rambouillet!  The Redwood was a tall-sizes only, slightly 
cheaper, slightly less fancy version of the bike you already own -- from 
the 2003 Riv catalog:  ""The Romulus and Redwood are complete road bikes 
based on the same frame design ideals as the Rambouillet, and only minor 
differences that allow a lower price without structural or real 
compromises." 

You already own your dream bike! Perhaps you might want to reconsider 
selling it? 

Julian "happy owner of a 68 cm Ram" Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 11:52:34 PM UTC-5, Lon Payne wrote:
>
> Ah, yes...the Redwood!  That was the bike that got me interested in 
> Rivendells in the first place.  I saw this one online and have been 
> dreaming of one ever since:  
> https://www.pedalroom.com/bike/rivendell-redwood-21911
>
> On Monday, October 29, 2018 at 11:59:46 AM UTC-7, kobe wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for the update Lon. I hope the new owner is a member of the group. 
>>
>> Due to all the interest it might be a good time for Rivendell to bring 
>> back the Redwood. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Rear racks for kid seats

[Tony DeFilippo]

Thanks for sharing the Holland bikes link, is seen these frame mount saddles 
for kids old enough to hang on on a couple local bikes and wondered where I 
could pick one up.

https://hollandbikeshop.com/en-gb/bicycle-saddles-seatposts/children-s-saddle-on-frame-tube/saddle-on-frametube-ladie-s-bike-oversizemodel-3-dual-tube/

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Re: [RBW] FF: Riv catalogs and BQ magazines - All claimed.

[Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA]

Thanks to Norman I had a great time reading the BQ mags. Time to pass them 
along to another bunch member. PM me and I’ll let you know if you are first in 
line. 13 content-packed issues. I’ll cover shipping to any US address. The 
catch is you have to pass them along when you are done reading. OK?

Marty

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