[RBW] Re: Toyo serial number decoding

['Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Did you ever collect any Toyo numbering information for the A. Homer 
Hilsen? I'd love to be able to date my 56cm 650b. #AH02xx

Thanks,
David Lipsky

On Friday, November 23, 2018 at 10:08:22 PM UTC-8, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
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> From a small sample, I had put a table up here - 
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet/
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Re: [RBW] Re: In praise of fixed mountain riding

[Philip Williamson]

Single track A and single track B are more different from each other than 
single track A is from a paved trail. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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Re: [RBW] FS/FT Hilltrek ventile jacket, size small, nice SR Super Custom double crank phil and paul

[bo richardson]

it might b ideal for her because of the shortened sleeves

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> Bo, writing you off group with questions on the Hilltrek for my daughter.
> 
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[RBW] Re: Toyo serial number decoding

[Cyclofiend Jim]

>From a small sample, I had put a table up here - 

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/rambouillet/

At the "green" period, I do recall anecdotally that there were still some 
blue ones showing up in that period.  May have been built later but batched 
into a blue paint run. 

On Wednesday, November 21, 2018 at 7:24:54 AM UTC-8, Lum Gim Fong wrote:
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> Now that we cracked the Waterford codes.
> What about Toyo? Woukd be nice to date my Rambouillet as it is a mystery 
> version with all the green version frame accoutrements yet is blue and the 
> serial # is sky high fir a Ram . Bought stock in retail store so not a 
> custom paint job.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crankset question, 1x11 advice?

[Justin, Oakland]

All 12 Steve. If you use the SunRace cassette or the lower end SRAM NX 
cassette. The Shimano 12sp is a new hub to cassette interface. So is SRAM’s GX, 
XX1 and all others higher than NX - they use xd.

-J

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Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

[Philip Williamson]

Well that was a terrible interlude, affecting people not actually on the 
internet (much) today. Thanks Garth for the Tom & Jerry (& Butch?) mayhem.
I’m sorry to see Clayton go. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa vs road bike - (pointless) 19 mile commute time comparison

[phil k]

if i'm not mistaken, they are different wheel sizes as well as different 
tire widths.

On Saturday, November 17, 2018 at 11:02:33 AM UTC-5, Kevin Mulcahy wrote:
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> Its pretty cool to see your data verifies two similar bikes with the same 
> tires on an uber-flat course will be about the same speed. 
>
> Get those bikes pointed uphill and I’m sure we’d see a difference. 

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Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

[Patrick Moore]

Great cartoon. But the discerning viewer prefers this one:

https://media.giphy.com/media/WTBS1h3lI82Aw/giphy.gif

On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 2:38 PM Garth  wrote:

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>
>Nah No reason to leave Clayton.   I too can see how this
> place and a few "Riv followers/defenders/etc." can be seen like church
> zealots, but zealots are zealots and they'll use *anything* as an
> excuse(in this case Riv/GP) for their behavior ... " I'm only defending *fill
> in the blank* so that excuses my behavior however that may be" .
>
> LIke 2 sides of the same one coin, one always blaming the other for
> why they are as they are,  threatening to annihilate the other... but of
> course no one side will ever win because that would the end of both and
> neither side wants that.. and the charade goes on .
>
> Have a chuckle ... on me .
>
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, November 23, 2018 at 3:37:05 PM UTC-5, Clayton wrote:
>>
>> Unsubscribe me. I call things like I see them.  Boy I am pissed, and my
>> PTSD is pinned.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Homer and Sam $100 price difference

[phil k]

Not only cost of materials but cost of time may be associated. The Hilsen 
are relatively the same frame as it was a few years ago, just canti 
provisions. However, the MIT Homer's have not been around. So there must've 
been a lot of time associated with Riv designing in the new geometry, then 
the time it cost them to go back and forth with the factory to get it set 
the way they like it.

On Friday, November 23, 2018 at 12:18:49 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
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> I’m asking because I’m curious, as I said. I thought the web site had a 
> misprint. Then I checked the printed catalog and saw the $100 difference. 
> The Sam is supposedly stouter per Riv’s description, and also has canti 
> posts, so more cost assumed there.  So, looking at lugs, I didn’t see a 
> vast difference. The Homer has the ball and socket seat stay/lug treatment, 
> which I also understood to be cheaper to manufacture. So that left me 
> thinking the tubing on Homer may be more costly.  And, as you say, maybe 
> $100 a pop helps offset the setup costs. 
>
> Tom 
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Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Provide the harmonica/mouth organ/mouth harp nuance please...BTW, I really like 
that head badge!

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Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

So do I, but I don't think that's a harmonica.

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Re: [RBW] Crankset question, 1x11 advice?

[Eric Daume]

11 speed will be a two piece crank with an external bottom bracket. The
bottom bracket will come with spacers to fit 68 or 73 mm shells.

Narrow wide tings are typically made for a chain size (eg, 10 or 11 speed).
The wider 8 speed chain will have a loose fit and won’t be officially
recommended, but it might work well enough, depending on how you ride.

Eric

On Friday, November 23, 2018, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Gabe, can you send a pic or link of the cranks you're looking at? I should
> be able to determine the bottom bracket situation if I see them.
>
> Eric, the "loose chain" situation doesn't apply for those 1x narrow-wide
> chainrings. I can use an 8-speed chain on the ring I pictured.
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[RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

[Kainalu V.]

Yup, Coast! But Doug Breismeister is also the best! And Seth Rosko = best!
And there's me, 3rd best in a world of #1ers! I'll pay you $5 to let me do it...
-Kai
BKNY 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crankset question, 1x11 advice?

[Steve Palincsar]

You can fit a 12 speed cassette on a 7 speed freehub?  How many out of 
the 12 do you use?


(Still smiling about "Eight of Nine on Seven", brings her...

Image result for seven of nine

to mind every time

On 11/23/18 6:27 PM, Justin, Oakland wrote:

Gabriel-
On a 7/8/9 you can also use 12 speed Sunrace cassettes. I would skip 11 and go 
to 12 if buying today. Depending on what you ride and how much you really need 
either the low end 50 cog or the tightly spaced gears I’d actually go 10 as 
it’s becoming the de facto “not cutting edge” standard. 1x10 with a clutch 
derailleur seems great for many folks who aren’t super sensitive to gaps in 
gears.

-J


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[RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

[lambbo]

Coast Cycles in Brooklyn 

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[RBW] Re: Crankset question, 1x11 advice?

[Justin, Oakland]

Gabriel-
On a 7/8/9 you can also use 12 speed Sunrace cassettes. I would skip 11 and go 
to 12 if buying today. Depending on what you ride and how much you really need 
either the low end 50 cog or the tightly spaced gears I’d actually go 10 as 
it’s becoming the de facto “not cutting edge” standard. 1x10 with a clutch 
derailleur seems great for many folks who aren’t super sensitive to gaps in 
gears.

-J

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Re: [RBW] Re: In praise of fixed mountain riding

[Justin, Oakland]

I preferred riding fixed without retention but with grippy shoes and platform 
pedals. Off road I’d double down on the lack of retention. I need to disengage 
from the pedal quickly if I’m going down and already have life lung damage to 
one ankle to show for it. Just my experience but clipless or straps off road 
don’t make much sense to me especially fixed. 

-J

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[RBW] Re: FS: 58 Bosco Bullmoose bars, 8spd Shimano Ultrega Bar end shifters

[gabriel luke thompson aspinwall]

Also selling a Wide Low 40 26 sugino double crankset 170 length arms. $100 
shipped
Reply for pics

On Friday, November 23, 2018 at 12:50:20 PM UTC-8, gabriel luke thompson 
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> 58 bosco bullmoose   $90 plus shipping
> 8spd Shimano Bar end shifters $50 shipped.
>
> Thanks, Gabe.
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[RBW] Re: Homer and Sam $100 price difference

[Justin, Oakland]

I imagine it has a lot to do with future proofing their prices. Every time they 
raise prices people grumble and Grant apologizes. If you start pricing things a 
little higher from the get go you can wait a bit longer to raise prices, maybe 
even get some more cash flow and be able to float a little more gently in the 
ups and downs of the boutique not-bespoke-but-not-mass-market bike world.

Relatedly I sometimes worry about the bike industry going the way of the 
clothes industry. Currently the middle of the clothes market is tanking. “High 
end mall stores” like J Crew represented the middle tier market and are going 
extinct. As fast fashion comes in and pumps poorly made garments  at rock 
bottom prices they eat away at lots of sales at the mid-tier range. I wonder 
what a similar stratification of the bike market looks like and where Riv fits 
in. 

-J

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[RBW] FS/FT Hilltrek ventile jacket, size small, nice SR Super Custom double crank phil and paul

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bo, writing you off group with questions on the Hilltrek for my daughter.

With abandon,
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[RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

[Justin, Oakland]

Bilenky would be the one to trust with this.

-J

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Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

[Justin, Oakland]

Damn. Steve P has riding since “1017”. I knew he’d been around the block but I 
didn’t know the block was in Carthage!

Have a good weekend and get off the Internet.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JsXcocZXGsA

-J

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Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

[Daniel D.]

 I prefer mouth harp.

On Friday, November 23, 2018 at 2:49:15 PM UTC-8, Mark in Beacon wrote:

> Hey people! Howabout that head badge though? First one ever in world 
> history to feature a mouth organ, from what I gather. Cool.

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[RBW] Re: Stein's 'Hypercracker' Tool and Riv Dropouts

[Tony]

On Wednesday, November 14, 2018 at 10:21:20 AM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>
> The recommended torque rating for a cassette lockring is typically 40 
> N-m.  
> Bill  'setting my own torque ratings since 1982' Lindsay
>

I remember Grant writing that cassettes cranked down to 30 N-m is how bikes 
leave Rivendell. I have used that for 9+ years with no safety problem and 
an easy enough time getting the lockring loose that I routinely take the 
cassette off as part of a chain clean.

Tony

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Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

[Doug H.]

I agree completely with Grant’s assertion that full suspension mountain bikes 
are not for casual riding. I’m glad he’s designing a practical off road 
bicycle. 
Doug

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Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hey people! Howabout that head badge though? First one ever in world history to 
feature a mouth organ, from what I gather. Cool.

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[RBW] Re: Canti-Chev?

[A. Nostuh]

Trigger warning: I'm not implying there's any shortcomings in the original 
design. But


I'm ready to send my chev to a "master framebuilder" for canti treatment 
ok, I'll accept "experienced framebuilder".  who's good ON THE EAST COAST? (I'm 
sure you'll do fine Antone & Kai- good luck!) 

Al in Saratoga 

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[RBW] FS/FT Hilltrek ventile jacket, size small, nice SR Super Custom double crank phil and paul

[bo richardson]

For sale Hilltrek double ventile field coat, army green. has handwarmer 
pockets, hood. Sleeves were shortened. 

i cant find my reciept in my email, but i am sure i had 400$in the jacket. I 
would like 150.
Hasnt been worn very much. my name is on the label in magic marker.
this is a good coat but i wear the Filson more.

SR SUPER CUSTOM double crank 52/42 very nice shape 170, some scratches not much 
wear.  45$ take off.

Fizik Aliante saddle, great shape blue and white, 25$

Brooks Cambrium cut out no wear tan color. C17 85$

paul thumbiie mounts new, silver 60$ shipped

phil BB metal seals so you can ford rivers without getting water in your ball 
bearings 12$ shipped

tool roll, heavy cotton tan fabric thick leather belt closure new 25$ might be 
ruthworks

Unless noted prices do not include shipping

photos on request of course

Thanks
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[RBW] Rivendell offerings I'm thankful for

[Matt Beecher]

1. Saluki
2. Bringing back the coffee mug. It is my go-to mug.
3. Atlantis (past and present)
4. Impact on cycling community. Even if Rivendell closes one day, they made a 
positive impact on the market that I have enjoyed and I am grateful for it. 

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Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

[A. Nostuh]

While I also "celebrate" thanksgiving, it's worth remembering that it's also 
considered a day of mourning by Native Americans. 

*And now back to your regular programming*

On Friday, November 23, 2018 at 3:53:03 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
> I'll be as aggressive as the comment requires. We're not close buds, but I 
> consider Grant a friend, I've known him for ages, and if someone is going to 
> come here ON THANKSGIVING with some drivel about "I'm disappointed in Grant" 
> - which is a weirdly personal comment he's going to see - I'm going to speak 
> up. I do not apologize for being right. Have a good day.

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Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

[Joe Bernard]

Ya know what, forget it. I like Rivs and I like the people who work there, a 
small company trying to hold on during tough times in the bicycle industry. I'm 
currently on a site dedicated *to that company*, and have to hear weird crap 
about zealotry and "church of Grant and his minions." That's toxic and a 
complete waste of my time and mental health. Y'all carry on, I'm done with 
this. 

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Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

[Garth]

   Nah No reason to leave Clayton.   I too can see how this 
place and a few "Riv followers/defenders/etc." can be seen like church 
zealots, but zealots are zealots and they'll use *anything* as an excuse(in 
this case Riv/GP) for their behavior ... " I'm only defending *fill in the 
blank* so that excuses my behavior however that may be" . 

LIke 2 sides of the same one coin, one always blaming the other for why 
they are as they are,  threatening to annihilate the other... but of course 
no one side will ever win because that would the end of both and neither 
side wants that.. and the charade goes on . 

Have a chuckle ... on me . 



 



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> Unsubscribe me. I call things like I see them.  Boy I am pissed, and my 
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Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

[Joe Bernard]

I'll be as aggressive as the comment requires. We're not close buds, but I 
consider Grant a friend, I've known him for ages, and if someone is going to 
come here ON THANKSGIVING with some drivel about "I'm disappointed in Grant" - 
which is a weirdly personal comment he's going to see - I'm going to speak up. 
I do not apologize for being right. Have a good day. 

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Re: [RBW] In praise of the Canadian Wrestling Beanie

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. Will do that.

On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 1:13 PM Julian Westerhout 
wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> Wow. That was quick -- they were in the holiday 2018 flyer email a week or
> so ago, and I ordered mine last weekend.
>
> They were $28, and fit my xxl noggin well. It might be worth an email or a
> call to see if there are more on the way.
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL
>
>
> On Friday, November 23, 2018 at 12:32:24 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Sold out. I could use one or two. What did they cost when the were in
>> stock?
>>
>> And: Can anyone recommend alternative toques and sources? Need not be
>> merino, must be wool and be able to fit a 24" head comfortably.
>>
>> Anyone have something like this to sell?
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 8:26 AM Julian Westerhout 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just got two of the Canadian Wrestling Beanies from Rivendell in
>>> today's post. They are amazing. Thin, but not too thin, super soft,
>>> stretchy, comfortable merino wool, and can easily be worn above the ears or
>>> covering them. They also fit well under a helmet, should your head wear
>>> proclivities include those. I'm always searching for good headgear for
>>> cool/cold weather riding (as I get balder this gets even more important!),
>>> and I think these are the Goldilocks "just right"  solution. Get yourself
>>> one or two!
>>>
>>> Julian Westerhout
>>> Bloomington, Il
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

[Patrick Moore]

Clayton: Please stick around. I enjoy your posts.

On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 1:37 PM 'clayton bailey' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Unsubscribe me. I call things like I see them.  Boy I am pissed, and my
> PTSD is pinned.
>
> I am done with this crew of hatred. It just never stops. I am done with
> Rivendell. The owners group is not an owners group. It is the church of
> Grant and his blind minions. The undercurrent of hate is constantly here. I
> would bet a dollar that the haters are Republican as their hate is ALWAYS
> bubbling over in society. Any critisism is not allowed of Grants creations
> even when it is a personal opinion for a personal taste.
> I really respect Grant, but jeeez people, its a bicycle, not about what to
> do about global warming. I’ve done my fair share of fawning over my
> Atlantis and posting it to drive salesall to help Grant survive. It is
> a perfect bike after all, but I don’t think the Boots isso far. Sorry.
>
> The planet will be mostly uninhabitable in sixty years, fact.  I really
> can’t respect or like anyone who drives a car, so I don’t respect most of
> the people on here. The science is solid, and people drive knowing that
> they are contributing to mass death. You are knowingly mass murderers and
> your mind won’t accept that, but its the truth. Diluting it out through all
> the cars in the world falls false. Electric car owners get a pass. Do your
> moral and civic duty and get rid of your gas burners and save my
> grandchild. If you can’t do that, burn in the hell of your own making. It’s
> time to go to war for the planet. Pick a side. Global warming is not
> political. It is fatal, and I live in a society where the bike is still
> considered a hobby, a toy. You all contribute to that. Have fun with your
> Rivendell toy hobby. For Gods sake, keep insulting and arguing over your
> toys, it gives the owners group a wonderful reputation.
>
> Global warming warriors, rise up and raise total hell. It’s time for
> battle. SCREAM!
>
> While the world burns,
> Spend your energy elsewhere, you group of grumpy old men.
>
> RIP Paradise.
> Goodbye
>
> Clayton
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPad 
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Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

[Patrick Moore]

I can push back too ... I do not accept your opinion; you have very often
taken a needlessly agressive and unfriendly tone, and I will call you out
on it.

On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 12:14 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I'm not going to "take it easy", and as long as people keep pushing back
> on me I'm going to keep responding. The stuff accusing Grant of
> "controlling the message" was out of line - especially on a thankfulness
> holiday - and the extended rant about toptubes and the parts of the anatomy
> they can conflict with was just creepy and weird.
>
> So you can accept my opinion on the subjects or you can keep telling me to
> "relax Joe" and "take it easy." I can do this all day but I'd rather not.
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Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

['clayton bailey' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Unsubscribe me. I call things like I see them.  Boy I am pissed, and my PTSD is 
pinned. 

I am done with this crew of hatred. It just never stops. I am done with 
Rivendell. The owners group is not an owners group. It is the church of Grant 
and his blind minions. The undercurrent of hate is constantly here. I would bet 
a dollar that the haters are Republican as their hate is ALWAYS bubbling over 
in society. Any critisism is not allowed of Grants creations even when it is a 
personal opinion for a personal taste. I really respect Grant, but jeeez 
people, its a bicycle, not about what to do about global warming. I’ve done my 
fair share of fawning over my Atlantis and posting it to drive salesall to 
help Grant survive. It is a perfect bike after all, but I don’t think the Boots 
isso far. Sorry.  The planet will be mostly uninhabitable in sixty years, 
fact.  I really can’t respect or like anyone who drives a car, so I don’t 
respect most of the people on here. The science is solid, and people drive 
knowing that they are contributing to mass death. You are knowingly mass 
murderers and your mind won’t accept that, but its the truth. Diluting it out 
through all the cars in the world falls false. Electric car owners get a pass. 
Do your moral and civic duty and get rid of your gas burners and save my 
grandchild. If you can’t do that, burn in the hell of your own making. It’s 
time to go to war for the planet. Pick a side. Global warming is not political. 
It is fatal, and I live in a society where the bike is still considered a 
hobby, a toy. You all contribute to that. Have fun with your Rivendell toy 
hobby. For Gods sake, keep insulting and arguing over your toys, it gives the 
owners group a wonderful reputation. 
Global warming warriors, rise up and raise total hell. It’s time for battle. 
SCREAM!  
While the world burns, Spend your energy elsewhere, you group of grumpy old men.
RIP Paradise. Goodbye
ClaytonSent from Yahoo Mail for iPad










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Re: [RBW] In praise of the Canadian Wrestling Beanie

[Julian Westerhout]

Patrick, 

Wow. That was quick -- they were in the holiday 2018 flyer email a week or 
so ago, and I ordered mine last weekend. 

They were $28, and fit my xxl noggin well. It might be worth an email or a 
call to see if there are more on the way. 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 


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>
> Sold out. I could use one or two. What did they cost when the were in 
> stock?
>
> And: Can anyone recommend alternative toques and sources? Need not be 
> merino, must be wool and be able to fit a 24" head comfortably.
>
> Anyone have something like this to sell?
>
> On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 8:26 AM Julian Westerhout  > wrote:
>
>> I just got two of the Canadian Wrestling Beanies from Rivendell in 
>> today's post. They are amazing. Thin, but not too thin, super soft, 
>> stretchy, comfortable merino wool, and can easily be worn above the ears or 
>> covering them. They also fit well under a helmet, should your head wear 
>> proclivities include those. I'm always searching for good headgear for 
>> cool/cold weather riding (as I get balder this gets even more important!), 
>> and I think these are the Goldilocks "just right"  solution. Get yourself 
>> one or two! 
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, Il 
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

[Joe Bernard]

"Grants comments about negative opinions on the Boots is disappointing. 
It will be interesting to see if they put me on the secret development list, as 
I am probably the main Boots complainer that Grant complained about. 
Controlling the message.."

This is not "disappointed in the direction a frame took", it's disappointment 
with Grant directly, followed by an accusation. You can't change the original 
topic, then debate the the thing you changed it to. I've been doing this a long 
time, kids. 

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Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

[Eric Daume]

Controlling the message is bad? It’s something most companies try to do, to
one extent or another, whether it’s thru advertising, social media, or
publishing your own magazine, or a Blug post.

I reread Clayton’s original post, and I don’t see anything offensive about
it.  He says he was disappointed about the direction this frame took, and
expressed what he would rather have. It’s OK to have a different viewpoint
from Riv.

Eric

On Friday, November 23, 2018, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I'm not going to "take it easy", and as long as people keep pushing back
> on me I'm going to keep responding. The stuff accusing Grant of
> "controlling the message" was out of line - especially on a thankfulness
> holiday - and the extended rant about toptubes and the parts of the anatomy
> they can conflict with was just creepy and weird.
>
> So you can accept my opinion on the subjects or you can keep telling me to
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>
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Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

[Daniel D.]

go ride your bike

On Friday, November 23, 2018 at 11:14:55 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I'm not going to "take it easy", and as long as people keep pushing back 
> on me I'm going to keep responding. The stuff accusing Grant of 
> "controlling the message" was out of line - especially on a thankfulness 
> holiday - and the extended rant about toptubes and the parts of the anatomy 
> they can conflict with was just creepy and weird.
>
> So you can accept my opinion on the subjects or you can keep telling me to 
> "relax Joe" and "take it easy." I can do this all day but I'd rather not. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Homer and Sam $100 price difference

[Joe Bernard]

It could be paint if they're duplicating the color Waterford used. In 
researching touch-up for my Hunqapillar with them this week, I discovered the 
Hilsen color is a pretty fancy mix. 

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[RBW] What do Rivendell Riders wear for wind-stopping hats for helmet-less winter riding?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Folks riding with a waxed cotton shell, how do you not end up with a sweaty bog 
on your head? I absolutely need me hats to breathe AND block wind. Hence the 
boiled wool. But then there is a difference between Memphis cold and Colorado 
highland cold. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick, whose ride today was a balmy 30 with sustain winds 30-40mph, so I was 
dressed like it was 20.

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Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

[Joe Bernard]

On the TIGed frame - the one that would align in price and welding with Clem L 
- the immediately apparent differences would be toptube height (higher), 
threadless steerer and a different fork. I presume the ST/TT sizing will be 
different, too. 

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Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

[Doug H.]

I am wondering what are the main differences between the upcoming Gus and the 
Clem L? 
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Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

[Joe Bernard]

I'm not going to "take it easy", and as long as people keep pushing back on me 
I'm going to keep responding. The stuff accusing Grant of "controlling the 
message" was out of line - especially on a thankfulness holiday - and the 
extended rant about toptubes and the parts of the anatomy they can conflict 
with was just creepy and weird.

So you can accept my opinion on the subjects or you can keep telling me to 
"relax Joe" and "take it easy." I can do this all day but I'd rather not. 

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[RBW] Re: Homer and Sam $100 price difference

[Bill Lindsay]

I wasn't unclear on your curiosity.  I was unclear on precisely which 
question you were asking.  Now I think I understand that your two questions:

"anyone know why new MIT Homer frames cost $100 more than new MIT Sam 
frames?  Tubing?"

Could be rewritten to read:

"I assume that the Hilsen costs about $100 more to make than the 
Hillborne.  Why does the Hilsen cost about $100 to produce?  Is it because 
the tubing in the Hilsen is ~$100 more expensive than the tubing used in 
the Hillborne?"

Assuming those were the questions you were getting at, then those were the 
questions I attempted to touch on.  As far as I know, the tubing in both 
bikes are similar in price.  I do not think we can attribute the price 
difference to tubing.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


On Friday, November 23, 2018 at 9:18:49 AM UTC-8, tc wrote:
>
> I’m asking because I’m curious, as I said. I thought the web site had a 
> misprint. Then I checked the printed catalog and saw the $100 difference. 
> The Sam is supposedly stouter per Riv’s description, and also has canti 
> posts, so more cost assumed there.  So, looking at lugs, I didn’t see a 
> vast difference. The Homer has the ball and socket seat stay/lug treatment, 
> which I also understood to be cheaper to manufacture. So that left me 
> thinking the tubing on Homer may be more costly.  And, as you say, maybe 
> $100 a pop helps offset the setup costs. 
>
> Tom 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: In praise of fixed mountain riding

[Patrick Moore]

I prefer retention, partly for safety, because your feet can get spinning
pretty fast, and partly just because I like retention on all my pedals and
find SPD-type clipless the easiest and most convenient. I've used clips and
straps both with and without slotted cleats. Both work, but I found myself
repeatedly pulling my non-cleated shoes out of even semi-tight straps when
climbing hills, so I abandoned clips/straps without cleats on all except
the Hon Solo, which doesn't see many hills -- it's my grocery store,
dog-walking, near-to-home bike, so it's fine that way.

When I used slotted cleats and straps on my '99 Joe Starck, I actually
found the system easier to get into, with straps kept semi-tight (ie, tight
enough to allow you to pull up without pulling out, but loose enough to
pull out in an emergency) than with my Look Keos and almost as easy as with
the single-sided SPDs on the bike now.

I've heard of many people riding fixed without retention, but I would not
want to be non-retained on a fast downhill, and I find that retention
certainly helps me to exert more torque up steep hills.

On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 8:36 PM Tony DeFilippo  wrote:

> Ok ok ok... I'm going to put a new chain (longer to account for the larger
> cog) on the ANT and give fixed a try next week.
>
> Patrick, it any other fixed riders - are toe clips or some other kind of
> foot-pedal retention device recommended/required?  I noticed on your
> Hunqabeam Patrick that you have some kind of wide strap on your pedals.
> Thanks,
>
> Tony
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Re: [RBW] In praise of the Canadian Wrestling Beanie

[Patrick Moore]

Sold out. I could use one or two. What did they cost when the were in stock?

And: Can anyone recommend alternative toques and sources? Need not be
merino, must be wool and be able to fit a 24" head comfortably.

Anyone have something like this to sell?

On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 8:26 AM Julian Westerhout 
wrote:

> I just got two of the Canadian Wrestling Beanies from Rivendell in today's
> post. They are amazing. Thin, but not too thin, super soft, stretchy,
> comfortable merino wool, and can easily be worn above the ears or covering
> them. They also fit well under a helmet, should your head wear proclivities
> include those. I'm always searching for good headgear for cool/cold weather
> riding (as I get balder this gets even more important!), and I think these
> are the Goldilocks "just right"  solution. Get yourself one or two!
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, Il
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Re: [RBW] Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

[Patrick Moore]

C'mon, Joe, take it easy. Clayton is alright.

I'll buy you a drink or 3.

On Thu, Nov 22, 2018 at 9:57 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> It's the title of a Joe Walsh album (he and I are both sober, too), you
> started this day insulting Grant, and that weird post about toptubes was
> offensive. Happy Thanksgiving.
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[RBW] Re: Homer and Sam $100 price difference

[Bob Lovejoy]

I'll add that time and an associated increased cost could be major factors. 
 From the perspective of "older" to "newer", there is the Appaloosa ($1300) 
to the Hillborne ($1400) to the latest Hilsen ($1500).  I know the Cheviot 
could be considered an outlier in that logic, and in several ways, but it 
does seem to me that the prices are increasing, at least to some degree, 
just based on time and costs.  

That said, I would love to know about tubing changes or specs that add to 
the cost, not that there is anything wrong that I know of with the older 
tubing.  I have a new Hilsen frame coming this next week so it will be 
interesting to see (and ride once I get it built and the weather 
cooperates) how it feels compared to other bikes.

Bob   

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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

[Steve Palincsar]

On 11/23/18 11:56 AM, 'Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:

Hi Garth,

Custom frames are not available from Riv, at least on their website.



https://www.rivbike.com/collections/framesets/products/custom-framesets 
but listed as currently "out of stock".  However, "Made to order. Call 
800 345 3918 or email m...@rivbike.com" if you're interested.  It does 
stand to reason that custom frames wouldn't be "in stock" as that would 
defeat the purpose of "custom".




A full custom lugged would be out of my budget.  Whatever I get, it’s likely to 
be my last bike, as I am getting creaky and according to my family history, 
I’ll be dead in twenty years. I am sure I’ll not be able to ride in another ten 
or so.



Well, according to my family history, I should have died 13 years ago.  
As for /being //sure /you won't be able to ride in another 10 years - I 
hardly know what to say.  That attitude will go a long way towards 
making sure it's so.  No idea how old you actually are, but if you're 
planning to drop dead at 90, that would make you 70 now.  I and many, if 
not most, of the folks I ride with are well over 70.  2018 was a bad 
year weather-wise, and my mileage is way off from last year; instead of  
just missing 11,000 as was the case in 1017, I think I'm going to finish 
2018 with only 9,000.





So this is a very important purchase!  Probably my most important, as I’m not 
rich. I have been saving up.

I don’t understand how buying a bike can be so obsessive and stressful. I can’t 
blame PTSD for this one. I am a Rivendelian, and want to stay with the tribe, 
but maybe this bike just isn’t for me.

Tim, Thank you!

Clayton


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[RBW] Homer and Sam $100 price difference

[tc]

I’m asking because I’m curious, as I said. I thought the web site had a 
misprint. Then I checked the printed catalog and saw the $100 difference. The 
Sam is supposedly stouter per Riv’s description, and also has canti posts, so 
more cost assumed there.  So, looking at lugs, I didn’t see a vast difference. 
The Homer has the ball and socket seat stay/lug treatment, which I also 
understood to be cheaper to manufacture. So that left me thinking the tubing on 
Homer may be more costly.  And, as you say, maybe $100 a pop helps offset the 
setup costs. 

Tom

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[RBW] Re: Crankset question, 1x11 advice?

[Joe Bernard]

Gabe, can you send a pic or link of the cranks you're looking at? I should be 
able to determine the bottom bracket situation if I see them. 

Eric, the "loose chain" situation doesn't apply for those 1x narrow-wide 
chainrings. I can use an 8-speed chain on the ring I pictured. 

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[RBW] Homer and Sam $100 price difference

[Bill Lindsay]

tc asked why the MIT Homer is $100 more expensive than the MIT Hillborne. I 
assume he’s getting at something specific but I’m not exactly sure what it is. 

The prices are what they are because that’s where Rivendell set them. I don’t 
know the cost on each, but it’s possible they are close. It’s possible that the 
Hilsen has a lower cost. It would be smart for Riv to price the Hilsen at a 
higher margin because it’s still a $1000 price drop from the MUSA one. The MIT 
design appeals to me more, so to me it’s a better bike and it’s $1000 cheaper 
than the MUSA version 

It’s also possible that the Hillborne cost is lower because all the 
manufacturing setup costs have been amortized over several hundred frames. The 
Hilsen has a bunch of new setup expenses and the early adopters may be doing 
their part to offset those costs. 

The two frames are definitely different. You should buy the one you want. If 
you recognize they are different you may decide to buy one of each. I think it 
would be a mistake to assume one is $100 better or $100 worse. 

Bill Lindsay
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[RBW] Re: Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

['Clayton' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Garth,

Custom frames are not available from Riv, at least on their website.  A full 
custom lugged would be out of my budget.  Whatever I get, it’s likely to be my 
last bike, as I am getting creaky and according to my family history, I’ll be 
dead in twenty years. I am sure I’ll not be able to ride in another ten or so. 

So this is a very important purchase!  Probably my most important, as I’m not 
rich. I have been saving up. 

I don’t understand how buying a bike can be so obsessive and stressful. I can’t 
blame PTSD for this one. I am a Rivendelian, and want to stay with the tribe, 
but maybe this bike just isn’t for me.

Tim, Thank you!

Clayton

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[RBW] Re: Crankset question, 1x11 advice?

[gabriel luke thompson aspinwall]

On Thursday, November 22, 2018 at 9:56:26 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
> Gabe, I'm not sure how these things work with 2 rings, but here's my 1x 
> Shimano Deore XT crank on an 11-speed bike. The single chainring has what's 
> called narrow-wide or "wolf tooth" teeth to help keep the chain on without a 
> front derailleur or chainkeeper. You can use an 8-speed chain with it if you 
> just want to do the 1x thing but keep your rear derailleur and cassette. 
> 
> Another thing to be aware of - I've found much confusion about this - is 
> 11-speed Shimano/SRAM/SunRace mtb cassettes (NOT road) will fit standard 
> 8/9/10 hubs. It's a lot more money to replace the whole drivetrain so maybe 
> not what you're looking for, but you won't need a new hub to do it.  
> 
> On Thursday, November 22, 2018 at 9:18:22 PM UTC-8, gabriel luke thompson 
> aspinwall wrote:
> > I like the look of these new black 1x11 or 2x11 cranksets, and want to get 
> > one, but I don't want to have to get a whole new wheel, mine takes 
> > cassettes like 7,8,9, speed.
> > I have an 8 spd with an 8 spd chain and would be fine just using like a 2 x 
> > 8. So the question is, could I get one of these cranksets, and just buy 8 
> > spd chainrings? Would that work? Or do you have any better solution to a 
> > 1x11, or 2x11 conversion without spending so much money? Ideally I'd like 
> > to just do a full 1x11 or 2x11 conversion. But wanted to know what people 
> > think I should do.
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks, Gabe.

So Joe, your saying basically I can do a 1x11 or 2x11 conversion on the same 
rear wheel I have now. ( I will be using a mountain cassette). The next 
question I would have would be about the borrow bracket I would need to get. I 
have a Clem Smith jr L 59. And the crank I’m looking at has a Hollowtech II 
spindle? 

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[RBW] In praise of the Canadian Wrestling Beanie

[Julian Westerhout]

I just got two of the Canadian Wrestling Beanies from Rivendell in today's 
post. They are amazing. Thin, but not too thin, super soft, stretchy, 
comfortable merino wool, and can easily be worn above the ears or covering 
them. They also fit well under a helmet, should your head wear proclivities 
include those. I'm always searching for good headgear for cool/cold weather 
riding (as I get balder this gets even more important!), and I think these 
are the Goldilocks "just right"  solution. Get yourself one or two! 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, Il 



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[RBW] What do Rivendell Riders wear for wind-stopping hats for helmet-less winter riding?

[Karl]

I love my opossum neck warmer Rivendell sold a while back. Super warm and hole 
in the top for heat to escape. Opossum for the win! It’s not just for breakfast 
anymore. 

Karl opossum eatin’ In Nashville

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[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders wear for wind-stopping hats for helmet-less winter riding?

[Karl]

Hey snag,

Rivelo has their hat 4 made by Randy Jo. It’s amazing, waxed, and some have 
flip up ear warmers! Worth checking out!

Karl (Owner of 2) in Nashville

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[RBW] Re: Whatbars.com

[WETH]

Thanks!!

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[RBW] Re: Whatbars.com

[Takashi]

It's now named "Rivendell such and such"

Takashi


WETH wrote:
>
> This is a great tool.  However, today when I went to compare two bars I 
> couldn’t find Nitto albastache nor albatross bars.  I know they were there 
> Wednesday because I was showing a friend.  I tried refreshing my browser. 
>  Thoughts? 
> Thanks, 
> Erl Houston 
> Kensington, MD

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[RBW] Re: Whatbars.com

[WETH]

This is a great tool.  However, today when I went to compare two bars I 
couldn’t find Nitto albastache nor albatross bars.  I know they were there 
Wednesday because I was showing a friend.  I tried refreshing my browser.  
Thoughts? 
Thanks,
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Re: [RBW] Crankset question, 1x11 advice?

[Eric Daume]

If you want to save money, look at Chainreactioncycles. Their Shimano stuff
is often amazingly cheap. I'm guessing you could get an 11 speed crank,
shifter, derailer, and chain for <$250. Maybe less than $200, depending on
what's in stock.

The 11 speed stuff I've looked at (Shimano mtb) has a different bolt circle
than traditional cranks. So, you're probably only going to find 11 speed
rings for them. These will be narrower than your 8 speed chain. You could
run an 8 speed chain on it, but it will fit loosely, and will be more
likely to come off.

Eric

On Fri, Nov 23, 2018 at 12:18 AM gabriel luke thompson aspinwall <
gabel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I like the look of these new black 1x11 or 2x11 cranksets, and want to get
> one, but I don't want to have to get a whole new wheel, mine takes
> cassettes like 7,8,9, speed.
> I have an 8 spd with an 8 spd chain and would be fine just using like a 2
> x 8. So the question is, could I get one of these cranksets, and just buy 8
> spd chainrings? Would that work? Or do you have any better solution to a
> 1x11, or 2x11 conversion without spending so much money? Ideally I'd like
> to just do a full 1x11 or 2x11 conversion. But wanted to know what people
> think I should do.
>
> Thanks, Gabe.
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Re: [RBW] Re: In praise of fixed mountain riding

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hey Tony,

Is foot retention required to ride fixed gear? No. Benificial? Yes. With fixed 
gear you need a solid connection with the pedal so that as your feet spin 
faster in that precise circle that your legs don’t quite match naturally (but 
come close when running), your foot stays on the pedal at higher cadances. This 
is only an issue on the fast downhills. I’ve ridden fixed with smooth platform 
pedals. It’s frustrating but doable and slower than I wanted, even on a rugged, 
remote curvy mtn road. Even more frustrating whn the road smoothed and 
straightened out. Grin. That’s when I blew up my MKS steel toe clips on the 
Colorado Trail. The clips take quite a beating, but not as much as I threw at 
‘um. Shrug. Spikes on platfroms are the minimum foot retention I’d recommend. I 
began riding with Catalyst pedals and they did an excellent job, up to a point. 
I finally gave in and tested toeclips, and GripFast straps. Now I can really 
spin fast down the hills and not have to slow down!

I’ve found two basic options of foot retention and are hearty enough for fixed 
gear riding: toeclips or HoldFast straps (other straps seem likely to break 
easily based on reviews). They each do best with different types of pedals:

Toeclips: I found MKS Urban pedal ideal and it worked well even with my wide 
feet, though I began using a stiff leather insert to stiffen my minimalist shoe 
for cycling. Nylon clips are essential for singletrack (reference blowing up 
the steel MKS clip). I never snugged the straps tight, which makes for easy 
in/out and my foot always stayed on easily. My issue with toe clips is three 
fold: 1) bigger winter shoes in size 14 don’t fit far enough in (or not at all 
in the case of my Sorels) and even my summer size 12 would benifit from being 
deeper; 2) some ability to pull up on the backstroke for steep hills, but pales 
compared with HoldFast straps; 3) keeps the toe in a single lateral position, 
which I’d rather not have on longer rides. Hold Fast Straps solve those issues.

HoldFast Straps: I remove all pins from a VP Vice or nylon equivilant pedal 
that has the gap between top and bottom and the straps work great. I’m wanting 
to shift to an MKS pedal (Allways, Grip King, or Sneaker), but I’m unsure if 
they will work well as they are thicker pedals and may have more pedal strikes 
because of it. Pedal cornering is, of course, a bigger issues with fixed gear. 
Took me time to dial in how snug to do the strap (Much easier after riding 
toeclips and learning fixed gear a LOT more). Easy in and out. Easy adjustment 
for different size shoes. Amazing pull upward when climbing steep hills (your 
gears are your legs, and so there is sitting climbing, stomping climbing, and 
then my “smallest” gear (most torque) is standing pulling up on the 
backstroke). Underside of the pedal is ridable and so on starts on steep bits, 
I just put in the top foot side and ride the bottom of the second pedal until I 
can flip into it. Snow slickness is a not issue (once in the straps), as the 
strap is the retention. An icy platform no longer means a slippery pedal.

Why not SPD? No minimalist shoe options, which is essential for me. Two, 
walking is part of fixed gear, and I have no desire to walk in stiff cycling 
shoes that are way too narrow.

Starting out. I’d recommend you ride spiked platform pedals and just take 
things slow, without spinning too much, to get the hang of fixed gear for a 
ride or more. Then try straps.

With abandon,
Patrick



   

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[RBW] Re: Grant's BLAHG: Gus Boots update: headbadge, etc.

[Garth]

Clayton,   Have you asked Grant about the bike you describe being a custom 
build and were turned down, or is your "disappointment" over a production 
frame that they do not make ?  What difference does it make whether it's a 
production or custom ? (Dollars is no excuse when it comes to a "dream" )  



On Thursday, November 22, 2018 at 2:33:43 PM UTC-5, Clayton wrote:
>
>
> To be clear, I wanted a lugged, light, straight tubed, just like my 
> Atlantis, but with bigger tire clearance and triple mounts galore. I have 
> dreamt of ‘my’ Rivendell bikepacker for over a decade, and have held out 
> buying a dedicated bikepacker, waiting for Riv to make one. The Boots is 
> not what I dreamt of, so I am very disappointed. My opinions stemmed from 
> that disappointment. It probably is going to be an awesome bike. 
>
>
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