[RBW] Re: Bike tour around Idaho, ideas?

[David Podboy]

Hi Mike,

In addition to Craig's link, the Bike Hermit used to own a bike store in 
Boise. They would post rides on their blog: 
http://biketouringnews.com/category/our-trips/idaho/. I've never done any 
of the rides, but the pictures looked great!

David
Vancouver, WA

On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 9:18:50 PM UTC-8, Mike Ahern wrote:
>
> Hi, anyone with an idea about a circle bike trip starting in Boises in 
> June or July?  Id like about 6 days of riding on a Riv Cheviot, some hotels 
> some camping, my thought is Id like to stay at hot springs as many nights 
> as possible.  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Romulus trivia

[finny]

It's a 57cm

On 2019-01-04 16:56, Jonathan D. wrote:

> Great looking bike. What size is that?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Questions about snow riding

[Adam in Indiana]

Why 25mm tires?  Simple, that's the widest my knock-around SS would fit under 
fenders... My workplace only had outdoor, uncovered bike racks, so this bike 
spent 50-ish hours a week out in the full elements.  All of my other bikes were 
too nice, except the aforementioned fatbike, but it was substantially slower on 
commute times.  The snow had to be a few inches deep before the fatbike made a 
faster commute.

Back to the tires, I've always assumed the slick, treadless nature helped with 
preventing the snow from packing.  Unless it was particularly sticky snow, 
there simply wasn't anything to bite into, and not enough surface area on 25's 
for wet, heavy snow to really stick to.  That's my running theory, anyways.

As a side note, the fatbike, with its hardpack small-knob tread on 4" tires, 
would throw all kinds of snow and slush all over me; feet, legs, up my back, 
etc...



On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 11:49:16 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
> Adam, thanks, very interesting. Smooth 25s: why these rather than either 
> fatter, or knobbier, or bothier? I can see narrower than 60; say 40; but 25 
> and smooth? Pray, why? Me, I think of 60 mm, 18 psi, and wide, deep knobs.
> 
> 
> Tend to agree about ss, fixed or free. On my snow rides, such as they are, I 
> have avoided steep and long hills, and for slop, mud or snow, I can get by 
> with gearing down a tooth or 2 from ordinary dry pavement cruising gears; say 
> 63" or 65" instead of 70" +.  My erstwhile Monocog 29er had a 63" gear and it 
> did very well. At any rate, few things more annoying than a chain that skips 
> in every gear thanks to a big bolus of snow on the cassette. I do have to say 
> that the Sun Tour Bar Cons and the DA 74nn rd behaved impeccably despite the 
> mess.
> 
> 
> Agree too about non-clipless ( that means "non-non-clips and straps"). I have 
> a deep antipathy to non-retention, though, so Power straps or MSK Xtra Deep 
> clips set up for my thick-cleated-tread hiking shoes might be good. 
> 
> 
> Speaking of which: In your ("your": second person plural: all y'all's) 
> collectivized experience, is there a clipless system that works better than 
> others in sloppy mud and slushy snow? I ask because I have a pair of very 
> nice, lugged-sole Lake winter riding boots that are comfortable in such 
> conditions, but SPD just don't cut it. Might Time be best?
> 
> 
> Back to snow packing up under fenders. I've had it happen -- to the point 
> where it materially slows the tire -- with 32 (~30-31 actual) mm Paselas 
> under 50 mm Berthouds. Is there some magic about 25s or skinny generally that 
> avoids such buildup?
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 6:45 PM Adam in Indiana  wrote:
> Well, here's my experience from commuting year-round in Indiana... I've since 
> changed jobs (self-employed home-service oriented) so don't have a commute 
> anymore.  But here we go:
> 
> 
> 
> I rode 25mm wide smooth tires under fenders, and never had a snow-pack issue. 
>  I don't remember my clearance, but it was somewhere around a 1/2" (13mm).  
> Snow did pack up a little bit, but never enough to be an issue.  In really 
> bad stuff I rode my cheap fatbike. (Mongoose Dolomite, yeah!)
> 
> 
> 
> My fenders were some cheap Planet Bike models, and not full coverage, so they 
> only protected me from the worst of the weather.  Still, they were 10mm wider 
> than the tires, so I didn't get too much spray, they just didn't extend 
> downward or forward as much as I would have liked.  My work boots were 
> waterproof and I commuted in my technician's uniform with oil and diesel 
> stains and I was going to get sweaty and dirty soon enough at work, so I 
> didn't really care. 
> 
> 
> 
> My commuter described above was a single speed, so I never had any drivetrain 
> issues either.  Went through a chain every 500 miles, but other than that... 
> 
> 
> 
> I always rode platform pedals, too.  I had numerous times when my bike would 
> go out from under me (only riding 25's, remember), but I always landed on my 
> feet.  I'm quite confident that would not have been the case with clipless...
> 
> 
> 
> I never tried studded tires; too expensive, and the ice never stayed around 
> long enough here.  As long as I could find some snow to put between my tires 
> and the ice, things were good.
> 
> 
> 
> ...Alrighty, thats all i can think of for now...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 5:41:08 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
> 
> > My part of the city got only 1 1/2 to 2" of snow earlier this week, though 
> > cold temps have left much of it on the dirt roads, where it is not quite 
> > slush -- wettish, slippery, but not yet melting. The stuff on the small 
> > roads OTOH is slushy and messy. I did a brief 15 mile ride, outbound on 
> > dirt but things were so messy that I took pavement back.
> 
> > 
> 
> > 
> 
> > I have not ridden in snow since 2015 or 6, and that was dryer snow with no 
> > fenders; the last time I rode a bike with 

Re: [RBW] Re: Questions about snow riding

[Adam in Indiana]

Rereading that, I should have clarified that I feel like there wasn't anything 
on the tire for the snow to bite into, due to the lack of tread...

Also, on the clipless pedals: I had a pair of Crank Brothers Eggbeater pedals 
before, and the design seems like it would be very clog-resistant, mud or 
snow... I've used Time Expresso(sp?) pedals before too, and I remember them 
trying to market those to cyclocross because of the mud-shedding nature.  The 
few times I had mud in my cleats with those, I did notice more difficulty 
clipping in, but they never actually failed to.


>> Back to the tires, I've always assumed the slick, treadless nature helped 
>> with preventing the snow from packing.  Unless it was particularly sticky 
>> snow, there simply wasn't anything to bite into, and not enough surface area 
>> on 25's for wet, heavy snow to really stick to.  That's my running theory, 
>> anyways.

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar fender options

[Drw]

Not wanting to derail but I’m also interested in this. I’ve never fully 
understood the pros/cons of plastic vs metal fenders, and I’m looking for 
black, but this is the size of question. 

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[RBW] Re: Fellowship of the Rigs update: TIME & PLACE

[Neil Doran]

No experience with the group sites, but have seen them, and they all seem 
‘large’ and ‘flat’ enuff. 

The one along the Cross Marin Trail, before the bridge, seems large and 
private...pit toilet tho, I think Madrone has actual plumbing.

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[RBW] Re: Fellowship of the Rigs update: TIME & PLACE

[Justin, Oakland]

What are people's experiences and desires for sleeping spots? I am familiar 
with the Madrone group site next to the cabins.

On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 7:51:04 PM UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
> After doing the surveys it looks like the most people voted affirmatively 
> for Friday July 19th - Sunday July 21st at Samuel P Taylor Park! There's 
> many ways up and back and lots of great rides to lead starting from their 
> group sites.
>
> I want to move forward with booking camp site and such but want to make 
> sure there's no "OMG WHY THAT DAY AND PLACE" concerns. 
>
> -J
>

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[RBW] Re: FotR: A Time for Gathering

[Philip Williamson]

That's a sexy idea. Or headbadges as the "paisleys." Or both. 

Philip 
Santa Rosa, CA

On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 6:38:43 PM UTC-8, Jim M. wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 7:05:24 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think a bandanna would be very good. What would be on a semi-intricate 
>> 25 year bandanna design? 
>>
>
> All of the Riv headbadges in a spiral? 
>

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[RBW] Re: Romulus trivia

[Esteban]

Romulus: the Rivendell Ebisu. 

On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 8:48:29 AM UTC-8, Spencer wrote:
>
> I was wondering where the Romulus frames were built, anyone know? 
> Thanks 
> Spencer

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar fender options

[Esteban]

I'm also following along with this conversation. Berthouds usually can 
swallow a larger tire, at least compared to Honjos, because of their more 
shallow inner bend. 

This is motorcycle territory in terms of looks. 

On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 6:04:21 PM UTC-8, Kurt Manley wrote:
>
> Hey RBW list,
>
> I have been thinking about fendering my 62 cm Hunq and am curious about 
> folks experience with max tire size w fenders and which fenders work best 
> for the Hunqapillar. 
>
> I'm hoping to run Schwalbe G-One speed tires in 29x2.35 size on 
> Cliffhanger rims. For fenders maybe the VO 63mm fluted fender? Or the 60mm 
> Berthoud?
> The Berthoud is spec-ed for a 2.35" tire, the VO specs a 2.2" tire but I'm 
> wondering if that might be just differences in the companies suggested 
> tire-fender clearances. 
>
> Anyone a similar combo on their Hunq? What tires/fenders did you run? I'm 
> open to suggestions beyond what I have listed and while I'd prefer a metal 
> fender I'd do plastic if needed as I have found they generally allow a 
> bigger tire in my limited experiences fendering my bikes. My Hunq is a 
> green one with the larger clearances. 
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Kurt in Oakland
>

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[RBW] Re: Fellowship of the Rigs update: TIME & PLACE

[Philip Williamson]

I would ride that ride. I'm looking at it now. Genius. 

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 



On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 8:45:21 PM UTC-8, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> Very nice work, completed quickly. Curious about the camping plan: take 
> over hiker-biker, or reserve sites? Very limited tent space in hiker-biker. 
> Some good large sites with usable space down by the creek, but the upper 
> sites have lots of slope and very little usable ground space. Group site 
> seems the logical option, but need to jump on that, and $$$ for two nights. 
> I think boyz on the hoodz did that a couple years back, but I think it was 
> winter. 
>
> The drag about doing anything in California is the need to reserve. 
>
> BUT, I had a dream about a great ride, Sherwood Forest / White’s Hill / 
> Pine Mtn Road / BoFax Rd / Bolinas Ridge / Gem Trail. I volunteer to lead 
> from behind!

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[RBW] Re: Fellowship of the Rigs update: TIME & PLACE

[Esteban]

That sounds awesome. 1 Ent tentative. 

Esteban
San Diego, Calif.

On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 7:51:04 PM UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
> After doing the surveys it looks like the most people voted affirmatively 
> for Friday July 19th - Sunday July 21st at Samuel P Taylor Park! There's 
> many ways up and back and lots of great rides to lead starting from their 
> group sites.
>
> I want to move forward with booking camp site and such but want to make 
> sure there's no "OMG WHY THAT DAY AND PLACE" concerns. 
>
> -J
>

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[RBW] Re: Fellowship of the Rigs update: TIME & PLACE

[BSWP]

That's a great time, and a good place. Let's get the group site with the 
FLAT sleeping sites, eh?

- Andrew, Berkeley

On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 7:51:04 PM UTC-8, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
> After doing the surveys it looks like the most people voted affirmatively 
> for Friday July 19th - Sunday July 21st at Samuel P Taylor Park! There's 
> many ways up and back and lots of great rides to lead starting from their 
> group sites.
>
> I want to move forward with booking camp site and such but want to make 
> sure there's no "OMG WHY THAT DAY AND PLACE" concerns. 
>
> -J
>

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[RBW] Re: Fellowship of the Rigs update: TIME & PLACE

[Justin, Oakland]

The need to reserve quickly is why I moved so quickly. I'm going to work on 
getting the site so hoping that I can do it!

On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 8:45:21 PM UTC-8, Neil Doran wrote:
>
> Very nice work, completed quickly. Curious about the camping plan: take 
> over hiker-biker, or reserve sites? Very limited tent space in hiker-biker. 
> Some good large sites with usable space down by the creek, but the upper 
> sites have lots of slope and very little usable ground space. Group site 
> seems the logical option, but need to jump on that, and $$$ for two nights. 
> I think boyz on the hoodz did that a couple years back, but I think it was 
> winter. 
>
> The drag about doing anything in California is the need to reserve. 
>
> BUT, I had a dream about a great ride, Sherwood Forest / White’s Hill / 
> Pine Mtn Road / BoFax Rd / Bolinas Ridge / Gem Trail. I volunteer to lead 
> from behind!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Questions about snow riding

[Patrick Moore]

Adam, thanks, very interesting. Smooth 25s: why these rather than either
fatter, or knobbier, or bothier? I can see narrower than 60; say 40; but 25
and smooth? Pray, why? Me, I think of 60 mm, 18 psi, and wide, deep knobs.

Tend to agree about ss, fixed or free. On my snow rides, such as they are,
I have avoided steep and long hills, and for slop, mud or snow, I can get
by with gearing down a tooth or 2 from ordinary dry pavement cruising
gears; say 63" or 65" instead of 70" +.  My erstwhile Monocog 29er had a
63" gear and it did very well. At any rate, few things more annoying than a
chain that skips in every gear thanks to a big bolus of snow on the
cassette. I do have to say that the Sun Tour Bar Cons and the DA 74nn rd
behaved impeccably despite the mess.

Agree too about non-clipless ( that means "non-non-clips and straps"). I
have a deep antipathy to non-retention, though, so Power straps or MSK Xtra
Deep clips set up for my thick-cleated-tread hiking shoes might be good.

Speaking of which: In your ("your": second person plural: all y'all's)
collectivized experience, is there a clipless system that works better than
others in sloppy mud and slushy snow? I ask because I have a pair of very
nice, lugged-sole Lake winter riding boots that are comfortable in such
conditions, but SPD just don't cut it. Might Time be best?

Back to snow packing up under fenders. I've had it happen -- to the point
where it materially slows the tire -- with 32 (~30-31 actual) mm Paselas
under 50 mm Berthouds. Is there some magic about 25s or skinny generally
that avoids such buildup?

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 6:45 PM Adam in Indiana 
wrote:

> Well, here's my experience from commuting year-round in Indiana... I've
> since changed jobs (self-employed home-service oriented) so don't have a
> commute anymore.  But here we go:
>
> I rode 25mm wide smooth tires under fenders, and never had a snow-pack
> issue.  I don't remember my clearance, but it was somewhere around a 1/2"
> (13mm).  Snow did pack up a little bit, but never enough to be an issue.
> In really bad stuff I rode my cheap fatbike. (Mongoose Dolomite, yeah!)
>
> My fenders were some cheap Planet Bike models, and not full coverage, so
> they only protected me from the worst of the weather.  Still, they were
> 10mm wider than the tires, so I didn't get too much spray, they just didn't
> extend downward or forward as much as I would have liked.  My work boots
> were waterproof and I commuted in my technician's uniform with oil and
> diesel stains and I was going to get sweaty and dirty soon enough at work,
> so I didn't really care.
>
> My commuter described above was a single speed, so I never had any
> drivetrain issues either.  Went through a chain every 500 miles, but other
> than that...
>
> I always rode platform pedals, too.  I had numerous times when my bike
> would go out from under me (only riding 25's, remember), but I always
> landed on my feet.  I'm quite confident that would not have been the case
> with clipless...
>
> I never tried studded tires; too expensive, and the ice never stayed
> around long enough here.  As long as I could find some snow to put between
> my tires and the ice, things were good.
>
> ...Alrighty, thats all i can think of for now...
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 5:41:08 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
> > My part of the city got only 1 1/2 to 2" of snow earlier this week,
> though cold temps have left much of it on the dirt roads, where it is not
> quite slush -- wettish, slippery, but not yet melting. The stuff on the
> small roads OTOH is slushy and messy. I did a brief 15 mile ride, outbound
> on dirt but things were so messy that I took pavement back.
> >
> >
> > I have not ridden in snow since 2015 or 6, and that was dryer snow with
> no fenders; the last time I rode a bike with fenders in snow was 2006,
> commute to work, and the snow packed up under the rear fender (Honjos) and
> I had to stop several times to get rid of it. But at least that ride, too,
> was in temps cold enough to keep the snow frozen
> >
> >
> > So, some questions -- and I'm talking to you in particular, Deacon.
> >
> >
> > First, I have ridden finders, short, long, flapped, not flapped, short
> flaps, long flaps, narrow and wide, metal and plastic of all makes and
> models, and I have never had a setup -- even with full Berthouds,
> excessively wide for tires, full coverage, with massive, entirely excessive
> flap -- that kept crap off my feet and chainstays when riding through water
> or slush puddles
> >
> >
> > Again, the snow today was wettish and, on pavement, slushy.
> >
> >
> > 1. Keeping feet and shins and stays and bb area dry and clean: what do
> you all do? Photos?
> >
> >
> > I've found a new use for those LegShields (tm), as spats.
> >
> >
> > 2. Buildup under fenders that rubs tire (Big Ones; the tread is nominal
> only); snow did not jam or severely retard tire, but it did rub. Granted
> there is only a cm or so between top of tire 

[RBW] Fellowship of the Rigs update: TIME & PLACE

[Neil Doran]

Very nice work, completed quickly. Curious about the camping plan: take over 
hiker-biker, or reserve sites? Very limited tent space in hiker-biker. Some 
good large sites with usable space down by the creek, but the upper sites have 
lots of slope and very little usable ground space. Group site seems the logical 
option, but need to jump on that, and $$$ for two nights. I think boyz on the 
hoodz did that a couple years back, but I think it was winter. 

The drag about doing anything in California is the need to reserve.

BUT, I had a dream about a great ride, Sherwood Forest / White’s Hill / Pine 
Mtn Road / BoFax Rd / Bolinas Ridge / Gem Trail. I volunteer to lead from 
behind!

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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar fender options

[Patrick Moore]

Note: The Big Ones on Blunt SS's measure 60.658 mm (Blunt SS, 35 mm outside
width) per digital caliper.

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 9:27 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I'll be interested in learning of others' experience for such fendering.
> The SKS 65s are just barely wide enough to clear the 700C X 60 Big Ones on
> my Matthews; there's ample (1 cm) top clearance, but the sides, notably the
> SKS/Planet Bike-type strut fittings, crowd the sidewalls. I'd be interested
> to learn if VOs might work better?
>
> Note: The SKS's replaced Planet Bike 65s. The PBs had a rounder profile
> that crowded the BOs a great deal more. The SKS's have a squarer profile
> that clears the sidewalls by a bit more, but even more still would be
> better.
>
> Once again, kudos to Chauncey Matthews for delivering on my request of
> "60s, fenders, and reasonable Q." Q is 160 with 130 mm spindle, but suspect
> 126 workable, and certainly 127.5.
>
> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 7:04 PM Kurt Manley  wrote:
>
>> Hey RBW list,
>>
>> I have been thinking about fendering my 62 cm Hunq and am curious about
>> folks experience with max tire size w fenders and which fenders work best
>> for the Hunqapillar.
>>
>> I'm hoping to run Schwalbe G-One speed tires in 29x2.35 size on
>> Cliffhanger rims. For fenders maybe the VO 63mm fluted fender? Or the 60mm
>> Berthoud?
>> The Berthoud is spec-ed for a 2.35" tire, the VO specs a 2.2" tire but
>> I'm wondering if that might be just differences in the companies suggested
>> tire-fender clearances.
>>
>> Anyone a similar combo on their Hunq? What tires/fenders did you run? I'm
>> open to suggestions beyond what I have listed and while I'd prefer a metal
>> fender I'd do plastic if needed as I have found they generally allow a
>> bigger tire in my limited experiences fendering my bikes. My Hunq is a
>> green one with the larger clearances.
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
>> Kurt in Oakland
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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar fender options

[Patrick Moore]

I'll be interested in learning of others' experience for such fendering.
The SKS 65s are just barely wide enough to clear the 700C X 60 Big Ones on
my Matthews; there's ample (1 cm) top clearance, but the sides, notably the
SKS/Planet Bike-type strut fittings, crowd the sidewalls. I'd be interested
to learn if VOs might work better?

Note: The SKS's replaced Planet Bike 65s. The PBs had a rounder profile
that crowded the BOs a great deal more. The SKS's have a squarer profile
that clears the sidewalls by a bit more, but even more still would be
better.

Once again, kudos to Chauncey Matthews for delivering on my request of
"60s, fenders, and reasonable Q." Q is 160 with 130 mm spindle, but suspect
126 workable, and certainly 127.5.

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 7:04 PM Kurt Manley  wrote:

> Hey RBW list,
>
> I have been thinking about fendering my 62 cm Hunq and am curious about
> folks experience with max tire size w fenders and which fenders work best
> for the Hunqapillar.
>
> I'm hoping to run Schwalbe G-One speed tires in 29x2.35 size on
> Cliffhanger rims. For fenders maybe the VO 63mm fluted fender? Or the 60mm
> Berthoud?
> The Berthoud is spec-ed for a 2.35" tire, the VO specs a 2.2" tire but I'm
> wondering if that might be just differences in the companies suggested
> tire-fender clearances.
>
> Anyone a similar combo on their Hunq? What tires/fenders did you run? I'm
> open to suggestions beyond what I have listed and while I'd prefer a metal
> fender I'd do plastic if needed as I have found they generally allow a
> bigger tire in my limited experiences fendering my bikes. My Hunq is a
> green one with the larger clearances.
>
> Thanks!!
>
> Kurt in Oakland
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[RBW] Fellowship of the Rigs update: TIME & PLACE

[Justin, Oakland]

Hi Folks,
After doing the surveys it looks like the most people voted affirmatively 
for Friday July 19th - Sunday July 21st at Samuel P Taylor Park! There's 
many ways up and back and lots of great rides to lead starting from their 
group sites.

I want to move forward with booking camp site and such but want to make 
sure there's no "OMG WHY THAT DAY AND PLACE" concerns. 

-J

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[RBW] Inventory Management Project - buy a hub

[John G.]

Anyone ride a new Homer? I’ve seen few ride reports of them. Have you taken 
yours on a late season brevet, or did you load it up with presents and ride to 
your family’s place for the holidays? Share your views! I’d love to get one—I’m 
lucky to have the money, but I just don’t have the space at the moment. Maybe I 
can find the space to squirrel away a frameset...

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[RBW] Re: FotR: A Time for Gathering

[Jim M.]

On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 7:05:24 PM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>
>
> I think a bandanna would be very good. What would be on a semi-intricate 
> 25 year bandanna design? 
>

All of the Riv headbadges in a spiral? 

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[RBW] Re: Mismatched tires

[Mark Schneider]

Back in the 80's I read an article by John Tomac where he also preferred a 
larger font tire, at least on mountain bikes. apparently motocross bikes do 
the same. So I've always put the larger tire on the front, if I'm using 
different size tires.

On Tuesday, January 1, 2019 at 6:49:11 AM UTC-8, Jim S. wrote:
>
> Hi, I am mounting tires on a Clem. Not sure how it came about, but I have 
> a 60mm and 50mm. Assuming clearance either way, I am curious as to opinions 
> about which I should put on the front. Thanks in advance for any thoughts.

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[RBW] Hunqapillar fender options

[Kurt Manley]

Hey RBW list,

I have been thinking about fendering my 62 cm Hunq and am curious about 
folks experience with max tire size w fenders and which fenders work best 
for the Hunqapillar. 

I'm hoping to run Schwalbe G-One speed tires in 29x2.35 size on Cliffhanger 
rims. For fenders maybe the VO 63mm fluted fender? Or the 60mm Berthoud?
The Berthoud is spec-ed for a 2.35" tire, the VO specs a 2.2" tire but I'm 
wondering if that might be just differences in the companies suggested 
tire-fender clearances. 

Anyone a similar combo on their Hunq? What tires/fenders did you run? I'm 
open to suggestions beyond what I have listed and while I'd prefer a metal 
fender I'd do plastic if needed as I have found they generally allow a 
bigger tire in my limited experiences fendering my bikes. My Hunq is a 
green one with the larger clearances. 

Thanks!!

Kurt in Oakland

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[RBW] Re: Questions about snow riding

[Adam in Indiana]

Well, here's my experience from commuting year-round in Indiana... I've since 
changed jobs (self-employed home-service oriented) so don't have a commute 
anymore.  But here we go:

I rode 25mm wide smooth tires under fenders, and never had a snow-pack issue.  
I don't remember my clearance, but it was somewhere around a 1/2" (13mm).  Snow 
did pack up a little bit, but never enough to be an issue.  In really bad stuff 
I rode my cheap fatbike. (Mongoose Dolomite, yeah!)

My fenders were some cheap Planet Bike models, and not full coverage, so they 
only protected me from the worst of the weather.  Still, they were 10mm wider 
than the tires, so I didn't get too much spray, they just didn't extend 
downward or forward as much as I would have liked.  My work boots were 
waterproof and I commuted in my technician's uniform with oil and diesel stains 
and I was going to get sweaty and dirty soon enough at work, so I didn't really 
care. 

My commuter described above was a single speed, so I never had any drivetrain 
issues either.  Went through a chain every 500 miles, but other than that... 

I always rode platform pedals, too.  I had numerous times when my bike would go 
out from under me (only riding 25's, remember), but I always landed on my feet. 
 I'm quite confident that would not have been the case with clipless...

I never tried studded tires; too expensive, and the ice never stayed around 
long enough here.  As long as I could find some snow to put between my tires 
and the ice, things were good.

...Alrighty, thats all i can think of for now...



On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 5:41:08 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
> My part of the city got only 1 1/2 to 2" of snow earlier this week, though 
> cold temps have left much of it on the dirt roads, where it is not quite 
> slush -- wettish, slippery, but not yet melting. The stuff on the small roads 
> OTOH is slushy and messy. I did a brief 15 mile ride, outbound on dirt but 
> things were so messy that I took pavement back.
> 
> 
> I have not ridden in snow since 2015 or 6, and that was dryer snow with no 
> fenders; the last time I rode a bike with fenders in snow was 2006, commute 
> to work, and the snow packed up under the rear fender (Honjos) and I had to 
> stop several times to get rid of it. But at least that ride, too, was in 
> temps cold enough to keep the snow frozen
> 
> 
> So, some questions -- and I'm talking to you in particular, Deacon.
> 
> 
> First, I have ridden finders, short, long, flapped, not flapped, short flaps, 
> long flaps, narrow and wide, metal and plastic of all makes and models, and I 
> have never had a setup -- even with full Berthouds, excessively wide for 
> tires, full coverage, with massive, entirely excessive flap -- that kept crap 
> off my feet and chainstays when riding through water or slush puddles
> 
> 
> Again, the snow today was wettish and, on pavement, slushy.
> 
> 
> 1. Keeping feet and shins and stays and bb area dry and clean: what do you 
> all do? Photos?
> 
> 
> I've found a new use for those LegShields (tm), as spats.
> 
> 
> 2. Buildup under fenders that rubs tire (Big Ones; the tread is nominal 
> only); snow did not jam or severely retard tire, but it did rub. Granted 
> there is only a cm or so between top of tire and bottom of fender, but I 
> wonder if some fenders and setups work better than others.
> 
> 
> 3. The slush built up on the cassette, causing the chain to skip -- had at 
> one point to put chain on 27 (big) that stands proud of next smaller. Ideas? 
> Patrick, I expect that fixed or ss free is best in such conditions -- right?
> 
> 
> 4. Disc brakes: the pads either swell with wet or, more likely, when wet pick 
> up grit; no jamming, but certainly light rubbing.
> 
> 
> 5. SPD mech clogs: can't get feet in, and when you do, can't release. 
> 
> 
> 6. How well do hub gears, the ordinary ones, don't mean Rohloff, do in 
> freezing temps and wet snow?
> 
> 
> Oh, and Big Ones are very scary in icy patches! Perhaps should build 2nd 
> wheelset with narrower, knobby tires -- knobs and much more fender clearance.
> 
> 
> But good news, Molten Speed Wax kept chain quiet despite wet and dirt. Washed 
> bike with pails of warm water when I got home.
> 
> 
> In other news, daydreaming: ideal snow bike would be either something like 
> the Cleland, with fenders well above narrowish knobbies, but with drum brakes 
> and either hub gear or, again, ss -- or, really, this is one situation where 
> 2 rings and a single cog make sense -- rings less likely to pack with slush.
> 
> 
> So, I may look for a beater mtb with room for 40s to 50s and 2 cm of air 
> under fenders, ss or fixed, with big fat toke lips (MKS extra deeps in XXLL).
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Re: [RBW] Re: Of Fishnet Long Johns and Boiled Wool

[Patrick Moore]

Good to know that fishnet, even synthetic, works under synthetics. I hope
to try the combination.

One big liability for wool, otherwise wonderful, is moths; dismaying to buy
an expensive top and, 2 years later find a moth hole in it. If synthetic
mesh and tops work well, perhaps they'll be an alternative to wool.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Questions about snow riding

[Patrick Moore]

I expect that you answered the "clean" question: Don't expect a clean bike
if you ride in slushy snow. The rest of the reply is much as I'd
anticipated; thanks.

It struck me after initially posting that I am making a lot of noise about
snow riding for someone who rides in snow about 2X per year, if that, and
who spaces his "epic" snow rides in 5 to 10 year increments. But my
questions are not merely idle; I do enjoy snow riding and hope to do more
of it, and also hope to find a better setup than the otherwise impeccable
Matthews.

On average, we get perhaps 3 snows per year here in ABQ that allow real
snow riding (if you're quick). I'm thinking that a Kent Peterson-type ss or
fixed 26-er beater, complete with coroplast (in Kent's case, leftover
political signs) fenders, is the way to go.

Patrick Moore, who misses his British racing tricycle for snowy rides, in
ABQ, NM

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 5:15 PM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Right. Well, I’m not your guy for any clean bike questions. I really
> shouldn’t pay any attention to what color my bike(s) are because once I
> ride them they will be CR21 colored. Grin. Same with my bags. So I’ll
> ignore the clean bike questions. My drive train gets dirty, it dries, dirt
> falls off or sticks and I keep riding. I’ve not found a fender system that
> allows for actually keeping me and the bike dry AND safe debris clearence
> with knobbies. Since I ride knoobies, no fenders. Which leaves the clothing
> equation, to which my startling answer is ... wait for it ... boiled wool
> socks and ventile gaters. Let ‘um dry, dust them off, ride them again and
> again untill even I can’t stand them and they get washed, which I’m not
> sure has ever happened with the gaters, but likely has with the socks. Once
> a year whether they need it or not. Grin.
>
> 1. Keeping feet and shins and stays and bb area dry and clean: what do you
> all do? Photos?
>
> I don’t. Photos would look like a wet muddy road oozed onto my shoes up to
> my knees.
>
> 2. Buildup under fenders that rubs tire (Big Ones; the tread is nominal
> only); snow did not jam or severely retard tire, but it did rub. Granted
> there is only a cm or so between top of tire and bottom of fender, but I
> wonder if some fenders and setups work better than others.
>
> I gave up on fenders, so not much help here. Sorry.
>
> 3. The slush built up on the cassette, causing the chain to skip -- had at
> one point to put chain on 27 (big) that stands proud of next smaller.
> Ideas? Patrick, I expect that fixed or ss free is best in such conditions
> -- right?
>
> Yes. A huge benifit of ss/fixed is no derailure gum/freeze up and when I’m
> stuck in one gear it’s because I was daft enough to start out that way.
> Grin.
>
> 4. Disc brakes: the pads either swell with wet or, more likely, when wet
> pick up grit; no jamming, but certainly light rubbing.
>
> Backpedal. Of course this only helps if you were knuckleheaded enough to
> ride fixed. My experience with rim disk brakes is grit in the pads is
> nearly a non-issue (which astonishes me given the grit that ends up up
> there) and in 99% of conditions within 1-2 tire revolutions the rim is
> clear/dry enough to provide more stopping power than the cars on the same
> roads as me, disconcerting as that is! Grin.
>
> 5. SPD mech clogs: can't get feet in, and when you do, can't release.
>
> Platform pedals and HoldFast straps are a beautiful thing.
>
> 6. How well do hub gears, the ordinary ones, don't mean Rohloff, do in
> freezing temps and wet snow?
>
> From what I’ve read, they do well untill enough wet gets into the shifting
> bits and freezes. From the sounds of it, that’s not an ABQ problem. Grin.
>
> A few other notes: smooth icy patches are only navicable via studded
> tires. All other tires are rubbish on smooth ice. Textured ice and
> snowpack: knobbies are brilliant. It often happens that going through
> Woodland Park I have to ride the sidewalks and MUPS through town because
> the roads are trecherious with ice. My Compass knobbies and Racing Ralphs
> have fairly widely spaced knobs, so shed snow/mud fairly quickly, and what
> ends up on me is minimal (except for the afore mentioned mud, which is
> largly synonymous with slush).
>
> Sorry I’m not more help.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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[RBW] Inventory Management Project - buy a hub

[Bill Schairer]

“3.  43-tooth outer chainring.  Riv had a bunch of Silver brand chainrings 
made, sometimes in unusual but sensible sizes.  I stocked up on the 35T size 
which enabled an application that would have been difficult otherwise.  A lot 
of us run a 44-tooth outer chainring.  Many of us even run a 42-tooth big ring. 
 How many of us run a 43?  Very few, because "nobody" makes a 43.  Rivendell 
Bicycle Works has 143 43T outer chainrings in stock (110mm BCD).  At $38 a pop, 
that's $5,500 of inventory that they could be using elsewhere.  Grab one or two 
of them, and you'll smile at your next build when you have it ready.  You'll be 
the only kid on the block with a 43T big ring.  Chainrings also look super cool 
hanging over your workbench”

H, I’ve got a 46t hanging on the wall.  I bet I could do a good half-step 
with a 43 middle and 46 outer.  Drives me crazy that all anyone makes is even 
tooth counts.

Bill S

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[RBW] fs: Riv Fishy t-shirt (green) size SMALL

[Eric]

For sale is a Riv Fishy t-shirt. It's the green one 
(https://www.rivbike.com/collections/clothing/products/riv-fishy-shirt-green) 
and it's a size SMALL.

I just received this today & tried on only to find it too snug for me.

Anyways...it's sold out in size small so I figured I'd ask here before 
returning.

I'd ask exactly what I paid - $24 + $4 for shipping. 

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Questions about snow riding

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Right. Well, I’m not your guy for any clean bike questions. I really shouldn’t 
pay any attention to what color my bike(s) are because once I ride them they 
will be CR21 colored. Grin. Same with my bags. So I’ll ignore the clean bike 
questions. My drive train gets dirty, it dries, dirt falls off or sticks and I 
keep riding. I’ve not found a fender system that allows for actually keeping me 
and the bike dry AND safe debris clearence with knobbies. Since I ride 
knoobies, no fenders. Which leaves the clothing equation, to which my startling 
answer is ... wait for it ... boiled wool socks and ventile gaters. Let ‘um 
dry, dust them off, ride them again and again untill even I can’t stand them 
and they get washed, which I’m not sure has ever happened with the gaters, but 
likely has with the socks. Once a year whether they need it or not. Grin.

1. Keeping feet and shins and stays and bb area dry and clean: what do you all 
do? Photos?

I don’t. Photos would look like a wet muddy road oozed onto my shoes up to my 
knees.

2. Buildup under fenders that rubs tire (Big Ones; the tread is nominal only); 
snow did not jam or severely retard tire, but it did rub. Granted there is only 
a cm or so between top of tire and bottom of fender, but I wonder if some 
fenders and setups work better than others.

I gave up on fenders, so not much help here. Sorry.

3. The slush built up on the cassette, causing the chain to skip -- had at one 
point to put chain on 27 (big) that stands proud of next smaller. Ideas? 
Patrick, I expect that fixed or ss free is best in such conditions -- right?

Yes. A huge benifit of ss/fixed is no derailure gum/freeze up and when I’m 
stuck in one gear it’s because I was daft enough to start out that way. Grin.

4. Disc brakes: the pads either swell with wet or, more likely, when wet pick 
up grit; no jamming, but certainly light rubbing.

Backpedal. Of course this only helps if you were knuckleheaded enough to ride 
fixed. My experience with rim disk brakes is grit in the pads is nearly a 
non-issue (which astonishes me given the grit that ends up up there) and in 99% 
of conditions within 1-2 tire revolutions the rim is clear/dry enough to 
provide more stopping power than the cars on the same roads as me, 
disconcerting as that is! Grin. 

5. SPD mech clogs: can't get feet in, and when you do, can't release. 

Platform pedals and HoldFast straps are a beautiful thing.

6. How well do hub gears, the ordinary ones, don't mean Rohloff, do in freezing 
temps and wet snow?

>From what I’ve read, they do well untill enough wet gets into the shifting 
>bits and freezes. From the sounds of it, that’s not an ABQ problem. Grin.

A few other notes: smooth icy patches are only navicable via studded tires. All 
other tires are rubbish on smooth ice. Textured ice and snowpack: knobbies are 
brilliant. It often happens that going through Woodland Park I have to ride the 
sidewalks and MUPS through town because the roads are trecherious with ice. My 
Compass knobbies and Racing Ralphs have fairly widely spaced knobs, so shed 
snow/mud fairly quickly, and what ends up on me is minimal (except for the 
afore mentioned mud, which is largly synonymous with slush).

Sorry I’m not more help.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

[Joe Bernard]

Anyway, back to the topic. No more about That Damn Joe. 

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Re: [RBW] Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

[Joe Bernard]

Mouthing off is my specialty, Justin, which is one reason I mostly beg off 
commenting here anymore. I've known the folks at Riv for ages - been following 
it from the beginning - and am emotionally invested in how they're doing. This 
shows in my writing style, and I've found that I regularly end up more upset 
than before I commented, plus in trouble with readers. It really isn't worth 
it.  

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[RBW] Re: Perplexities regarding flat tires

[Lester Lammers]

You may want to check out tire liners because boys will be boys. 
http://mrtuffy.com/

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Re: [RBW] Perplexities regarding flat tires

[Patrick Moore]

Leah: If your tire flatted, it had a puncture, either from an exterior
penetrant, or from an interior penetrant, or because of some defect in or
damage to the tube itself. Exterior is obvious; interior: several times I
had tires that kept flatting despite very conscientious search for
penetrant. In one retrospectively hilarious incident: I kept my beloved
racing bike propped up in my bedroom 2' from my bed. 3 am. BAM! Panic! In
all cases, this too, the culprit was slipping rim tape that let the highly
pressurized tube force its way into the spoke hole, where it was punctured
by the sharp inward end of a spoke.

Other culprits, and one I've had problems with with Schwalbe tubes: seal
between valve and tube proper is bad and a split or small tear lets air
escape.

Both of these can be pressure-related; a tube might hold air until a
threshold is reached and then, leakage.

If you want to be proof, as far as such security can be had, against just
about any flat, use what local shops here use: a belted tire (which can be
horrible to ride -- like cold molasses), a tire liner, a Schraeder valve
thorn proof tube (these weigh as much as tires), and a sealant. Nothing is
guaranteed in this lower world of becoming and change, but insofar as
anything can be guaranteed, this "system" will keep you flat free. I've
ridden through 1-2 miles of goathead plants and come out the other end with
no air loss, even several days later (no slow leaks), and IME, Schraeder
valves have fewer problems with the valve stem/rubber interface.

Or else, do what I used to do: choose your tires carefully, and buy your
patches yearly in batches of 200, and I am not kidding.

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 2:20 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> My mechanical knowlege of bikes is embarrassingly scant. I love my bike. I
> ride it a lot. But I take it to the shop for all its maintenance. I really
> should do better, and if I hear of a local place teaching bike maintenance
> classes, I will try to enroll. But meanwhile, indulge me?
>
> I decided to take my boys for a ride a couple of days ago, and was shocked
> to find the 24 inch Specialized Hotrock had a front flat. Like, completely
> flat. I could see no obvious trauma, so I decided to fill the tire with our
> air compressor and see if it would hold air. It did. I decided it would be
> safe to ride if we went slow down the hill, and it was all well and good. I
> just checked it again today, 2 days later, and the tire remains well
> inflated.
>
> However, it bothers me that I don’t know why that tire went flat. And what
> if it does it again WHEN HE’S RIDING IT? What happens to you if your front
> tire suddenly blows? I can’t imagine it wouldn’t be extremely dangerous.
> The tires were replaced in 2017, if that matters.
>
> So, what could cause a tire with no puncture to flat? And would you
> replace the tube just to be on the safe side? Am I overreacting?
> Thanks!
> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

[Justin, Oakland]

Thank you for owning your mistake and apologizing for it. 

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[RBW] Re: Questions about snow riding

[Patrick Moore]

*One* more. On the return, mostly dry pavement, everything went back to
normal -- indeed, not even disc rub. This statement in case it is a datum
helpful for advice.

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 3:44 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Sheesh! One more note: Since I took the photo of the Matthews, I've added
> a 10" long flap; certainly extending well below bb area.
>
> I have to say that the bike, and I, were much dryer and cleaner than had I
> no fenders, or only "moto" style fenders; this despite my complaining.
>
> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 3:43 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> "Nother note: riding thru the still dry powder, even the nominal tread on
>> the BO front picked it up and flung it forward, where it blew back over me
>> and the bike, and coated my shins and shoes. At least this stuff was clean
>> snow.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 3:40 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> My part of the city got only 1 1/2 to 2" of snow earlier this week,
>>> though cold temps have left much of it on the dirt roads, where it is not
>>> quite slush -- wettish, slippery, but not yet melting. The stuff on the
>>> small roads OTOH is slushy and messy. I did a brief 15 mile ride, outbound
>>> on dirt but things were so messy that I took pavement back.
>>>
>>> I have not ridden in snow since 2015 or 6, and that was dryer snow with
>>> no fenders; the last time I rode a bike with fenders in snow was 2006,
>>> commute to work, and the snow packed up under the rear fender (Honjos) and
>>> I had to stop several times to get rid of it. But at least that ride, too,
>>> was in temps cold enough to keep the snow frozen
>>>
>>> So, some questions -- and I'm talking to you in particular, Deacon.
>>>
>>> First, I have ridden finders, short, long, flapped, not flapped, short
>>> flaps, long flaps, narrow and wide, metal and plastic of all makes and
>>> models, and I have *never* had a setup -- even with full Berthouds,
>>> excessively wide for tires, full coverage, with massive, entirely excessive
>>> flap -- that kept crap off my feet and chainstays when riding through water
>>> or slush puddles
>>>
>>> Again, the snow today was wettish and, on pavement, slushy.
>>>
>>> 1. Keeping feet and shins and stays and bb area dry and clean: what do
>>> you all do? Photos?
>>>
>>> I've found a new use for those LegShields (tm), as spats.
>>>
>>> 2. Buildup under fenders that rubs tire (Big Ones; the tread is nominal
>>> only); snow did not jam or severely retard tire, but it did rub. Granted
>>> there is only a cm or so between top of tire and bottom of fender, but I
>>> wonder if some fenders and setups work better than others.
>>>
>>> 3. The slush built up on the cassette, causing the chain to skip -- had
>>> at one point to put chain on 27 (big) that stands proud of next smaller.
>>> Ideas? Patrick, I expect that fixed or ss free is best in such conditions
>>> -- right?
>>>
>>> 4. Disc brakes: the pads either swell with wet or, more likely, when wet
>>> pick up grit; no jamming, but certainly light rubbing.
>>>
>>> 5. SPD mech clogs: can't get feet in, and when you do, can't release.
>>>
>>> 6. How well do hub gears, the ordinary ones, don't mean Rohloff, do in
>>> freezing temps and wet snow?
>>>
>>> Oh, and Big Ones are very scary in icy patches! Perhaps should build 2nd
>>> wheelset with narrower, knobby tires -- knobs and much more fender
>>> clearance.
>>>
>>> But good news, Molten Speed Wax kept chain quiet despite wet and dirt.
>>> Washed bike with pails of warm water when I got home.
>>>
>>> In other news, daydreaming: ideal snow bike would be either something
>>> like the Cleland, with fenders well above narrowish knobbies, but with drum
>>> brakes and either hub gear or, again, ss -- or, really, this is one
>>> situation where 2 rings and a single cog make sense -- rings less likely to
>>> pack with slush.
>>>
>>> So, I may look for a beater mtb with room for 40s to 50s and 2 cm of air
>>> under fenders, ss or fixed, with big fat toke lips (MKS extra deeps in
>>> XXLL).
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>> --
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And
>>> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the
>>> hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.*
>>> --- J.R.R. Tolkien
>>> ---
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>>>
>>> 
>>> *Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?*
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 

[RBW] Re: Questions about snow riding

[Patrick Moore]

Sheesh! One more note: Since I took the photo of the Matthews, I've added a
10" long flap; certainly extending well below bb area.

I have to say that the bike, and I, were much dryer and cleaner than had I
no fenders, or only "moto" style fenders; this despite my complaining.

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 3:43 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> "Nother note: riding thru the still dry powder, even the nominal tread on
> the BO front picked it up and flung it forward, where it blew back over me
> and the bike, and coated my shins and shoes. At least this stuff was clean
> snow.
>
> On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 3:40 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> My part of the city got only 1 1/2 to 2" of snow earlier this week,
>> though cold temps have left much of it on the dirt roads, where it is not
>> quite slush -- wettish, slippery, but not yet melting. The stuff on the
>> small roads OTOH is slushy and messy. I did a brief 15 mile ride, outbound
>> on dirt but things were so messy that I took pavement back.
>>
>> I have not ridden in snow since 2015 or 6, and that was dryer snow with
>> no fenders; the last time I rode a bike with fenders in snow was 2006,
>> commute to work, and the snow packed up under the rear fender (Honjos) and
>> I had to stop several times to get rid of it. But at least that ride, too,
>> was in temps cold enough to keep the snow frozen
>>
>> So, some questions -- and I'm talking to you in particular, Deacon.
>>
>> First, I have ridden finders, short, long, flapped, not flapped, short
>> flaps, long flaps, narrow and wide, metal and plastic of all makes and
>> models, and I have *never* had a setup -- even with full Berthouds,
>> excessively wide for tires, full coverage, with massive, entirely excessive
>> flap -- that kept crap off my feet and chainstays when riding through water
>> or slush puddles
>>
>> Again, the snow today was wettish and, on pavement, slushy.
>>
>> 1. Keeping feet and shins and stays and bb area dry and clean: what do
>> you all do? Photos?
>>
>> I've found a new use for those LegShields (tm), as spats.
>>
>> 2. Buildup under fenders that rubs tire (Big Ones; the tread is nominal
>> only); snow did not jam or severely retard tire, but it did rub. Granted
>> there is only a cm or so between top of tire and bottom of fender, but I
>> wonder if some fenders and setups work better than others.
>>
>> 3. The slush built up on the cassette, causing the chain to skip -- had
>> at one point to put chain on 27 (big) that stands proud of next smaller.
>> Ideas? Patrick, I expect that fixed or ss free is best in such conditions
>> -- right?
>>
>> 4. Disc brakes: the pads either swell with wet or, more likely, when wet
>> pick up grit; no jamming, but certainly light rubbing.
>>
>> 5. SPD mech clogs: can't get feet in, and when you do, can't release.
>>
>> 6. How well do hub gears, the ordinary ones, don't mean Rohloff, do in
>> freezing temps and wet snow?
>>
>> Oh, and Big Ones are very scary in icy patches! Perhaps should build 2nd
>> wheelset with narrower, knobby tires -- knobs and much more fender
>> clearance.
>>
>> But good news, Molten Speed Wax kept chain quiet despite wet and dirt.
>> Washed bike with pails of warm water when I got home.
>>
>> In other news, daydreaming: ideal snow bike would be either something
>> like the Cleland, with fenders well above narrowish knobbies, but with drum
>> brakes and either hub gear or, again, ss -- or, really, this is one
>> situation where 2 rings and a single cog make sense -- rings less likely to
>> pack with slush.
>>
>> So, I may look for a beater mtb with room for 40s to 50s and 2 cm of air
>> under fenders, ss or fixed, with big fat toke lips (MKS extra deeps in
>> XXLL).
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>> --
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> **
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And
>> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the
>> hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.*
>> --- J.R.R. Tolkien
>> ---
>> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews
>> By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching
>> Other professional writing services
>> Expensive! But good.
>> http://www.resumespecialties.com/
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique
>>
>> 
>> *Auditis an me ludit amabilis insania?*
>>
>
>
> --
>
>
>
>
> **
>
>
>
>
>
> *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And
> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the
> hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.*
> --- J.R.R. Tolkien
> 

[RBW] Re: Questions about snow riding

[Patrick Moore]

"Nother note: riding thru the still dry powder, even the nominal tread on
the BO front picked it up and flung it forward, where it blew back over me
and the bike, and coated my shins and shoes. At least this stuff was clean
snow.

On Fri, Jan 4, 2019 at 3:40 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> My part of the city got only 1 1/2 to 2" of snow earlier this week, though
> cold temps have left much of it on the dirt roads, where it is not quite
> slush -- wettish, slippery, but not yet melting. The stuff on the small
> roads OTOH is slushy and messy. I did a brief 15 mile ride, outbound on
> dirt but things were so messy that I took pavement back.
>
> I have not ridden in snow since 2015 or 6, and that was dryer snow with no
> fenders; the last time I rode a bike with fenders in snow was 2006, commute
> to work, and the snow packed up under the rear fender (Honjos) and I had to
> stop several times to get rid of it. But at least that ride, too, was in
> temps cold enough to keep the snow frozen
>
> So, some questions -- and I'm talking to you in particular, Deacon.
>
> First, I have ridden finders, short, long, flapped, not flapped, short
> flaps, long flaps, narrow and wide, metal and plastic of all makes and
> models, and I have *never* had a setup -- even with full Berthouds,
> excessively wide for tires, full coverage, with massive, entirely excessive
> flap -- that kept crap off my feet and chainstays when riding through water
> or slush puddles
>
> Again, the snow today was wettish and, on pavement, slushy.
>
> 1. Keeping feet and shins and stays and bb area dry and clean: what do you
> all do? Photos?
>
> I've found a new use for those LegShields (tm), as spats.
>
> 2. Buildup under fenders that rubs tire (Big Ones; the tread is nominal
> only); snow did not jam or severely retard tire, but it did rub. Granted
> there is only a cm or so between top of tire and bottom of fender, but I
> wonder if some fenders and setups work better than others.
>
> 3. The slush built up on the cassette, causing the chain to skip -- had at
> one point to put chain on 27 (big) that stands proud of next smaller.
> Ideas? Patrick, I expect that fixed or ss free is best in such conditions
> -- right?
>
> 4. Disc brakes: the pads either swell with wet or, more likely, when wet
> pick up grit; no jamming, but certainly light rubbing.
>
> 5. SPD mech clogs: can't get feet in, and when you do, can't release.
>
> 6. How well do hub gears, the ordinary ones, don't mean Rohloff, do in
> freezing temps and wet snow?
>
> Oh, and Big Ones are very scary in icy patches! Perhaps should build 2nd
> wheelset with narrower, knobby tires -- knobs and much more fender
> clearance.
>
> But good news, Molten Speed Wax kept chain quiet despite wet and dirt.
> Washed bike with pails of warm water when I got home.
>
> In other news, daydreaming: ideal snow bike would be either something like
> the Cleland, with fenders well above narrowish knobbies, but with drum
> brakes and either hub gear or, again, ss -- or, really, this is one
> situation where 2 rings and a single cog make sense -- rings less likely to
> pack with slush.
>
> So, I may look for a beater mtb with room for 40s to 50s and 2 cm of air
> under fenders, ss or fixed, with big fat toke lips (MKS extra deeps in
> XXLL).
>
> [image: image.png]
> --
>
>
>
>
> **
>
>
>
>
>
> *Still 'round the corner there may waitA new road or a secret gate,And
> though we pass them by today,Tomorrow we may come this wayAnd take the
> hidden paths that runTowards the Moon or to the Sun.*
> --- J.R.R. Tolkien
> ---
> Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews
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> Other professional writing services
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique
>
> 
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[RBW] Re: 25th Anniversary not-meeting, Entmoot, Fellowship of the Rigs, get together and ho-down

[Jim M.]

On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 9:56:13 AM UTC-8, Hugh Smitham wrote:
>
> This sounds intriguing. I like Joe's idea on the Mendo coast but it would 
> make it a lot more difficult for out of town folk. 
>
> Hugh
>

 I think having the meet up in Marin is the best idea, given Mt Diablo's 
summer weather possibilities, but nothing is stopping those of us who might 
want to take a bit more time to mosey on up to Mendo. I've ridden Jackson 
Demo and it has some flowy single track, and it even has gnarly black 
diamond runs in case anyone wants to bring their Rivendell Sauron. Lost 
Coast would be great too.

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[RBW] Re: Romulus trivia

[Jonathan D.]

Great looking bike. What size is that?

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[RBW] Perplexities regarding flat tires

[Kainalu V.]

Assuming presta valves, it may be that the valve didn't get tightened and that 
it "bounced" itself open and slowly leaked it gone. If shraeder, could be the 
VVV (Vegas Valve Vortex), or the heat could've melted the tube better while it 
was flattened. And new tubes are always nice, put a couple ounces of sealant in 
and you'll certainly be good for a few months...
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[RBW] Re: Perplexities regarding flat tires

[Bill Lindsay]

Leah

If it holds air, let it hold air.  

There is nothing about a tube that makes that tube more or likely to blow.  
A blown front tire can be extremely dangerous, and if you've ever 
experienced a front tire blowout, there's likely a twinge of dread in your 
spinal column as you read this.  

Possible explanations for why a tube without a puncture could go flat 
include:

-you haven't inflated it in months and haven't noticed as it has been 
gradually going down
-somebody let the air out, goofing around, inadvertently while fiddling, or 
deliberately

Keep an eye on it, but don't fret.  As long as it's rolling more or less 
round and there's nothing obviously slashed in the tire, you are fine.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 1:20:36 PM UTC-8, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> My mechanical knowlege of bikes is embarrassingly scant. I love my bike. I 
> ride it a lot. But I take it to the shop for all its maintenance. I really 
> should do better, and if I hear of a local place teaching bike maintenance 
> classes, I will try to enroll. But meanwhile, indulge me? 
>
> I decided to take my boys for a ride a couple of days ago, and was shocked 
> to find the 24 inch Specialized Hotrock had a front flat. Like, completely 
> flat. I could see no obvious trauma, so I decided to fill the tire with our 
> air compressor and see if it would hold air. It did. I decided it would be 
> safe to ride if we went slow down the hill, and it was all well and good. I 
> just checked it again today, 2 days later, and the tire remains well 
> inflated. 
>
> However, it bothers me that I don’t know why that tire went flat. And what 
> if it does it again WHEN HE’S RIDING IT? What happens to you if your front 
> tire suddenly blows? I can’t imagine it wouldn’t be extremely dangerous. 
> The tires were replaced in 2017, if that matters. 
>
> So, what could cause a tire with no puncture to flat? And would you 
> replace the tube just to be on the safe side? Am I overreacting? 
> Thanks! 
> Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: Of Fishnet Long Johns and Boiled Wool

[jamison brosseau]

The fishnet works well with breathable synthetics on top.  My fishnets of 
recent have all been synthetic as well.  I have also found this system to work 
well with cotton flannel and wool.  When I used to frame houses in Iowa in the 
winter lots of us would wear pantyhose bottoms and mesh jersey tops as a base 
layer, they worked remarkably well too, though I was happy to find a purpose 
built alternative.

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[RBW] Perplexities regarding flat tires

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

My mechanical knowlege of bikes is embarrassingly scant. I love my bike. I ride 
it a lot. But I take it to the shop for all its maintenance. I really should do 
better, and if I hear of a local place teaching bike maintenance classes, I 
will try to enroll. But meanwhile, indulge me?

I decided to take my boys for a ride a couple of days ago, and was shocked to 
find the 24 inch Specialized Hotrock had a front flat. Like, completely flat. I 
could see no obvious trauma, so I decided to fill the tire with our air 
compressor and see if it would hold air. It did. I decided it would be safe to 
ride if we went slow down the hill, and it was all well and good. I just 
checked it again today, 2 days later, and the tire remains well inflated. 

However, it bothers me that I don’t know why that tire went flat. And what if 
it does it again WHEN HE’S RIDING IT? What happens to you if your front tire 
suddenly blows? I can’t imagine it wouldn’t be extremely dangerous. The tires 
were replaced in 2017, if that matters.

So, what could cause a tire with no puncture to flat? And would you replace the 
tube just to be on the safe side? Am I overreacting? 
Thanks!
Leah

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Re: [RBW] Re: Of Fishnet Long Johns and Boiled Wool

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I’ve no experience with synthetic midlayers over a fishnet baselayer. The idea, 
which Wiggy explains in his video with mind-enlightenumbing depth, is that the 
insulative layers can be anything insulative and be effective, so long as they 
breathe well. Wiggy’s layers are all synthetic. So I presume synthetic works 
there. I just prefer natural fibers. My singular exception to this is my 
sleeping bag (which is Wiggy’s), as the weight to warmth ratio required 
necessitates either down (non-functional when wet, takes a week or more to dry 
well) or synthetic. But I pair it will my wool layers for colder nights, givng 
multi-use to the wool I carry thus making it practicable.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Bike tour around Idaho, ideas?

[Dave Brandt]

I plan on doing a ride around the area in July with a local cycling club. This 
is the 20th year for them and you can look at there past routes on line also. 
The ride is called RideIdaho.org 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Of Fishnet Long Johns and Boiled Wool

[Patrick Moore]

Patrick: More an academic question than practical, since I don't ride for
hours in temps just over 0F (we got down to 9*F the other morning, but I
stayed in side), but I wonder: does the second layer, worn over fishnet,
itself have to be wicking? I suppose a non-wicking synthetic would not do,
as it would (despite the fishnet) still trap the moisture?

My question is not entirely idle, since I just realized I have an old
Polartec pullover meant to be worn as a second layer... it's not quite
fleece; has weird squares or half cubes as interior finish. Feels nice over
cotton t shirt when inside and nice and dry.

FWIW, my experience -- old, since I gave them up 15+ years ago -- with even
good synthetics in cold is that they all felt clammy when you stopped and
sweated; wool does not. But I wondered if fishnet would make a difference

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> I’ve gotten a number of off list questions about boiled wool, so I
thought I’d post a compilation of my responses here:
https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/of-fishnet-long-johns-and-boiled-wool/

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[RBW] Re: Bike tour around Idaho, ideas?

[Craig Montgomery]

These guys know Idaho about as well as 
anybody: https://www.bikeovernights.org/author/bike-hermit

I'm heading up in the Spring. 

Craig in Tucson

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>
> Hi, anyone with an idea about a circle bike trip starting in Boises in 
> June or July?  Id like about 6 days of riding on a Riv Cheviot, some hotels 
> some camping, my thought is Id like to stay at hot springs as many nights 
> as possible.  
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Re: [RBW] Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

[Joe Bernard]

"Girls". Yeah, it was an off-the-cuff term probably best left in the earlier 
era from which I dredged it up. It sounded clever in my brain at that 
particular godawful time of night, but said brain didn't actually connect it to 
"whiney" in that moment. I apologise for being an idiot.  

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Re: [RBW] Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

[Tim Butterfield]

The big box stores, restaurants, and many other businesses sell gift cards
all of the time.  There is even a rack of them at my grocery store.  When
RBW sends an email mentioning selling gift certificates, suddenly it's the
end of the world.  Maybe it's because they mentioned it in an email or
because it's an eCard instead of plastic.  Either way, the response of many
was a bit ridiculous.

Too bad they don't carry NFS.  I just had to order two bottles direct
instead.  According to other reports, that might do better in the PNW than
the more easily rinsed off T-9.  Guess I might need to find something
different to order instead.

Cheers.

Tim

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[RBW] Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

[Joe Bernard]

What I don't understand is the fascination with "fixing" a thing they have no 
interest in. They want Grant to make bikes like the ones they own, which, ya 
know, already exist. You can tell because they own them 樂

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[RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

[phil k]

Though I don't agree with equating whiny attribute to girls, I agree with 
the sentiment. I kind of saw it as Riv reminding us during holiday season 
that they have gift cards. Grant has always been candid and transparent 
about his business though he doesn't have to. He's honest, and I appreciate 
that honesty and know it will go into good bikes and good customer service. 
He could've easily window dressed it as something else, but their cash flow 
is very clearly limited by moving their flagship model to Taiwan. I think 
people forget, customers get a cheaper Atlantis/AHH. 

It's a shame to unsubscribe considering the emails are much more 
interesting than ones that used to flood my box from chainreaction or 
performance bikes.Sometimes it's like a small pdf zine.

-Phil in Arlington, VA

On Friday, January 4, 2019 at 1:31:31 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> What's whiney is the number of keyboard warriors on that forum who lost 
> their damn minds over the promotion of a $20 Gift Certificate. "I 
> immediately unsubscribed from this email I pay nothing for because this 
> company suggested I spend money on things they sell!" Yeah, you're not a 
> "member" of anything and nobody asked for a donation, girls. Get a grip. 

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[RBW] Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

[Max S]

Read some of the thread on Paceline and - blechhh! I like many of the 
discussions there and have had overwhelmingly positive interactions with 
forumites on Paceline (since the Serotta forum days), much like here, but that 
series of business “advice” really put me off... 

 “Here, Grant, do all these things for the sake of mass appeal, which you’ve 
managed to avoid for 25 years. Ditch all that has delighted your core customers 
for all that time, and you’ll thereby solve all your problems!” 

I bought a $100 certificate and look forward to redeeming it on a pile of soap 
and whatnots that one would never expect to source from a bike business but 
thanks to the quirky ways of Rivendell, one can. 

- Max “Gus Boots in my future” in A2

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[RBW] 25th Anniversary not-meeting, Entmoot, Fellowship of the Rigs, get together and ho-down

[Hugh Smitham]

This sounds intriguing. I like Joe's idea on the Mendo coast but it would make 
it a lot more difficult for out of town folk. 

Hugh

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[RBW] Inventory Management Project - buy a hub

[Bill Lindsay]

There's been a few sincere desire to assist Rivendell threads recently.  In 
one of those threads, I suggested that if you want to help any small 
business that carries inventory, buy something that they have in stock.  
Here were my actual suggested examples from that thread:  

1. You will definitely go through 6 inner tubes of size X in the next year 
or two.  Buy six inner tubes (or other consumables) from Rivendell.  
2. When it's time to wrap a handlebar, it's really fun to grab two or three 
random colors from a box full of Newbaums.  Buy yourself 10 rolls of 
Newbaums from Rivendell
3. Few things identify you as repping Riv more than an Irish strap.  When 
you see somebody with an Irish Strap, you know they are Rivsters.  Buy a 
few Irish straps.  Give some away
4. Add a bandanna to every single order, or a cycling cap
5. Keep a list of things you might want.  If Riv has a TON of one of those 
things, help them out and buy it
6. Keep a list of things you might want.  If Riv is down to 1 or 2 of one 
of those things, buy it to avoid being bummed when they are out
7. If something new is released, Rivendell probably has a lot of it. Buy 
one. 

I'm going to go ahead and make a few SPECIFIC examples.  

1. I really love handling a well made piece of machinery.  The weight and 
tactile feel of a great mechanism is something I can leave on my desk and 
use as a meditative fidget tool.  One of my favorite kinds of desk fidget 
tools is a brand new clean bicycle hub.  At times I've had a number of 
different hub models on my desk.  I keep hubs around for future wheel 
builds but also for this tactile hand-exercise.  One of my teenage mountain 
bike racers had a hand injury and I loaned him a bicycle hub to augment his 
physical therapy, and I got rave reviews from him.  You could do the same 
thing.  Rivendell Bicycle Works has only two remaining Phil "Rivy" Front 
hubs.  That model is discontinued, never to return.  It's a gorgeous high 
flange masterpiece.  It's heavier than a front hub really needs to be, 
perhaps, but that weight is great in your hand.  It is beautiful and 
unsurpassed in solid quality.  That's $400 of 'dead inventory' to 
Rivendell.  Buy a Rivy front hub and you've got a genuine Rivendell 
artifact.  Use it on a bike, or keep it as a meditation tool.  Don't 
handwring over the fact that you can't buy a matching rear.  You want a 
nice cassette hub on the back anyway.  It's cool to run mismatched hubs 
when the front is a dynamo, and it's cool in this case also.  Last Chance 
Rivy Front 

  
If you want the cheap version, Rivendell also has 19 Shimano 105 36 hole 
front hubs.  It's not as heavy, but it's still really cool.  That's another 
$400 of dead stock.  Sure you could find cheap 36 hole front hubs any 
number of places.  Who cares if you actually pay a fair price to 
Rivendell?  That doesn't make you a sucker to pay close to retail. 105 front 


2. MIT Atlantis or Hilsen.  This is probably the main cash flow issue for 
Rivendell.  The Atlantis and Hilsen used to be $2500 and made to order.  
Now they are $1500 and they pre-pay for them.  RBW has 55 Atlantis frames 
and 65 Hilsen frames in stock right now, by my count.  That's almost $200k 
retail value tied up in inventory where this time last year it would have 
been almost zero tied up on made to order frames.  Will you get one of 
those this year?  Buy one!  Can't afford it today?  Put a deposit on one.  
I'm working on grabbing a 56cm Atlantis...

3.  43-tooth outer chainring.  Riv had a bunch of Silver brand chainrings 
made, sometimes in unusual but sensible sizes.  I stocked up on the 35T 
size which enabled an application that would have been difficult 
otherwise.  A lot of us run a 44-tooth outer chainring.  Many of us even 
run a 42-tooth big ring.  How many of us run a 43?  Very few, because 
"nobody" makes a 43.  Rivendell Bicycle Works has 143 43T outer chainrings 
in stock (110mm BCD).  At $38 a pop, that's $5,500 of inventory that they 
could be using elsewhere.  Grab one or two of them, and you'll smile at 
your next build when you have it ready.  You'll be the only kid on the 
block with a 43T big ring.  Chainrings also look super cool hanging over 
your workbench.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA



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[RBW] Re: Bike tour around Idaho, ideas?

['Kurt G.' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 
Have you stumbled across this one?:

https://www.adventurecycling.org/routes-and-maps/adventure-cycling-route-network/idaho-hot-springs-mountain-bike-route/

I rode the whole thing (including some of the singletrack options) a couple 
of years ago and loved it. I'm sure you could do the smaller southern loop 
in the time frame you suggested. Although it's promoted as a mountain bike 
route, it's actually more of a dirt road route and I'm sure your Cheviot 
would be up to the task. Plenty of climbing, but also plenty of 
opportunities to soak those sore muscles!

Cheers,
Kurt G.



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>
> Hi, anyone with an idea about a circle bike trip starting in Boises in 
> June or July?  Id like about 6 days of riding on a Riv Cheviot, some hotels 
> some camping, my thought is Id like to stay at hot springs as many nights 
> as possible.  
>

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[RBW] Re: Bike tour around Idaho, ideas?

[Mat Grewe]

I stumbled upon this idyllic voyage (to me at least) to a remote campground 
while planning a future tour around the Sawtooth area.  Johnson Creek 
Campground 
.
  
Google earthing the road was a great experience, so I can only imagine what 
being there will be like.  It is about 100 miles northeast of Boise and 
could easily be made into a six day loop with all the back roads that lie 
between.  However, I am unsure about the quantity of hotels, hot springs, 
or resupply stops along the way...

Patrick that Wild West route looks incredible!  Thanks for the link!

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[RBW] Re: Get those tandem deposits in

[Randy Franks]

Direct link 

.

Presale until 1/8/19, Tuesday.



On Thursday, January 3, 2019 at 3:35:50 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Riv just sent an email that you can put a deposit in on a tandem frameset 
> now.  Jump on it!  
>
> BL in EC
>

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[RBW] FT (OT): Patagonia Foot Tractor Wading Boots

[Conway Bennett]

For trade is my Patagonia Foot Tractor wading boots in size 11.  These were 
worn once and I'm not a fly-fisher and with work, business ownership and the 
imminent birth of a child I'm not going to be.  Things I'd be interested in 
trading for are: a 7 cm extension Nitto tallux stem, Nitto rm-013 dirt drop 
bars in 52 cm width or Naches Pass tires.  Thanks in advance.


Fair winds,

Captain Conway

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[RBW] Re: FS 2 bikes, parts, etc.....

[Andrew Huston]

Bump...

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Re: [RBW] Re: 3 day SF bike tour routes sought (Roadini)

[lambbo]

Thank you Toshi, and all! This is great, I can tell it will be a fun tour

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[RBW] Re: Of Fishnet Long Johns and Boiled Wool

[John Phillips]

Thanks Patrick, I remember fishnet under wear was popular back in the '60's 
among some backpackers, but I doubt it was this nice. I'll have to try some.

John Phillips

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>
> I’ve gotten a number of off list questions about boiled wool, so I thought 
> I’d post a compilation of my responses here: 
> https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/of-fishnet-long-johns-and-boiled-wool/
>
> I hope that helps! I know the system is different than what we’re told 
> works, but that system is a boil/freeze in a bog bag blech and b! I 
> prefer to be warm and comfortable on my rides, whether I’m climbing, piping 
> and coffeeing, or descending. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> www.CredoFamily.org
> www.MindYourHeadCoop.org
>

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[RBW] Bike tour around Idaho, ideas?

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Here’s a new route in the works from Bike Packing Roots that goes through 
Idaho. It’s a lot of singletrack, and no loop, but it may give ideas. I haven’t 
done any of it, just drooled over the possibility. Grin.
https://www.bikepackingroots.org/wild-west-route.html

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Another Riv Financial Situation Thread

[ascpgh]

>
> "When I say this stuff, it comes off as whining. I think everybody should 
> do (1) restaurant work; and (2) own a small business...for the perspective."


Grant, I read this as I walked into the hospital where I work and said a 
resounding "yes!"

As I precept students and orient new personnel I always ask if they've 
worked food service or retail because the operational model is extremely 
valuable. The insights native to those who've worked in a service industry 
do not form as well from a classroom lecture and are seldom the objective 
of any internship or project. 

My unofficial data collection results are that my role in preparing 
individuals for their career roles in patient care is easier and more 
successful when participants have had food service or retail employment. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, January 2, 2019 at 9:08:15 PM UTC-5, Grant @ Rivendell wrote:
>
> We "crowdsourced" store credits---not donations--- at a critical time for 
> us, and if you contributed and haven't bought anything, your credit remains 
> on the books. We've never asked for outright donations, and I wouldn't do 
> that. Many businesses--from wholesalers like Trek, etc---and virtually all 
> local bike shops--buy "on terms"--with 30 to 120 days to  pay for the 
> inventory. This is how we buy small parts, but anything that comes from 
> Japan, we pay in 1 week before we receive it, and anything from 
> Taiwan--bikes, cranks--we pay 60 days before we receive it. This is not 
> something we can negotiate. Tubing suppliers, painters, allthose guys have 
> to be paid and don't offer payment terms to small guys like us.  In any 
> case, it is a formula for horrible cash flow, which is our main angst. 
>
> When I say this stuff, it comes off as whining. I think everybody should 
> do (1) restaurant work; and (2) own a small business...for the perspective.
>
> Our customers are excellent. Our critics are relatively few. Our team is 
> wonderful. I am not a crackerjack business manager, and that -- not our 
> people, bikes, or intentions--will be what kills us. "Just hire a business 
> manager" presumes things that aren't true.
>
> If anybody would like to criticize or advise me directly, it's easy. (925) 
> 933-7304 usually between 10:15 am and 4pm west time (I work mornings from 
> home). Or email gr...@rivbike.com . 
> On Monday, December 31, 2018 at 3:37:44 PM UTC-8, Eric wrote:
>>
>> Bob, I appreciate your comment but one would be obtuse to forget that Riv 
>> crowdsouced appox $215 thousand dollars. I know for a fact that numerous of 
>> the members of Paceline (including myself) contributed.
>>
>>  And how long ago was that? Less than a year? I totally understand why 
>> some fans of Riv would be soured to be hit up again. 
>>
>>
>>

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