date:20191012

Surprised to hear about this. Never had a single out of spec Nitto item nor 
have I ever seen one in person and there have been plenty coming through my 
hands. Only ones I am even aware of are some bars that were stamped with the 
wrong width.

CSHBGCA

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Re: [RBW] Issues with slipping bosco bars?

2019-10-12 Thread Joe Bernard

They ought to have, but this isn't the first I've heard of or experienced 
myself that the diameters can be off just enough to be an issue. But I should 
reiterate that those Boscos have a LOT of leverage in the design. 

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Re: [RBW] Issues with slipping bosco bars?

I thought Nitto had top quality? At their prices, they ought to have.

On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 7:05 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> The problem is Nitto tolerances for diameter of clamp and bar can vary
> just enough to have one not match well with the other. Ask the guy with a
> slightly oversized Bosco that I recently discovered is pure madness to
> slide levers and grips on.
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[RBW] For sale - Gilles Berthoud Arabesque saddle - black. Used on one ride

2019-10-12 Thread Doug Bloch

That is a great deal. At 180mm this saddle is 5mm wider than the B17. Their 
widest model, in fact. Someone will be very happy with it.

Doug
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Re: [RBW] Issues with slipping bosco bars?

2019-10-12 Thread David Bivins

I switched to bosco moose on my Riv-built Clem for this reason. I'm a big
guy, and a couple of times at very sudden stops, I moved the bars in the
stem significantly. The integrated stem removes any worry.

On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 9:05 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> The problem is Nitto tolerances for diameter of clamp and bar can vary
> just enough to have one not match well with the other. Ask the guy with a
> slightly oversized Bosco that I recently discovered is pure madness to
> slide levers and grips on.
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Re: [RBW] Issues with slipping bosco bars?

2019-10-12 Thread Joe Bernard

The problem is Nitto tolerances for diameter of clamp and bar can vary just 
enough to have one not match well with the other. Ask the guy with a slightly 
oversized Bosco that I recently discovered is pure madness to slide levers and 
grips on. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: All Rounder

2019-10-12 Thread Steven Sweedler

I have RTP by Compass/RH, both regular and Extra light that measure 52 mm
wide, on Cliffhangers they go out to 55, my 2.35 Big Apples measure 58 mm
wide on Sun Rhyno Lite rims. Steve

On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 7:43 PM Kellie  wrote:

> I have 2.35 RTP on my Waterford Atlantis, and fenders!
>
> On Sunday, September 29, 2019 at 10:14:36 AM UTC-7, Jake P wrote:
>>
>> Craig, Joe,
>>
>> Confirm what sie tires yall are squeezing on these bikes? I can't seem to
>> fit anything larger than a 2.1
>>
>> Craig, those look like RTPs?? Suprised to see they fit!
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 1:50:23 AM UTC-5, Craig Montgomery
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> They were considered semi-custom. Grant had me take a bunch of
>>> measurements before we decided on the proper sizing. For example I got a
>>> shortened top tube. You could also choose length of head tube extension.
>>>
>>> [image: 1 Last minute check and set up.JPG]
>>>
>>>
>>> Craig in Tucson
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 11:32:36 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:

 Here's the first shots of my new-to-me A/R sans front fender and rack,
 and before I upright it with Boscos. It's a bummer I can't use those sweet
 carbon Campy brifters, but alas my arthritic wrists won't put up with drops
 anymore.

 I'm curious about the sizing. The early Reader geometry chart doesn't
 match it at all, this one has a 52cm ST, 55cm TT, which mimics the 52cm
 Bstone XO-1. Based on the serial number (what I can see of it) I believe
 this was built in 1997, did Waterford ever do custom A/Rs for Riv?

 Joe Bernard
 Novato CA.

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Meant thanks for clarifying.

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[RBW] For sale - Gilles Berthoud Arabesque saddle - black. Used on one ride

I'll pass in this case. That is for clarifying.

Cshbgca

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[RBW] For sale - Gilles Berthoud Arabesque saddle - black. Used on one ride

Sorry, Siri changed the spelling on me.  It’s an Aubisque. 

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[RBW] Re: All Rounder

2019-10-12 Thread Kellie

I have 2.35 RTP on my Waterford Atlantis, and fenders!

On Sunday, September 29, 2019 at 10:14:36 AM UTC-7, Jake P wrote:
>
> Craig, Joe,
>
> Confirm what sie tires yall are squeezing on these bikes? I can't seem to 
> fit anything larger than a 2.1
>
> Craig, those look like RTPs?? Suprised to see they fit!
>
>
> On Tuesday, September 24, 2019 at 1:50:23 AM UTC-5, Craig Montgomery wrote:
>>
>> They were considered semi-custom. Grant had me take a bunch of 
>> measurements before we decided on the proper sizing. For example I got a 
>> shortened top tube. You could also choose length of head tube extension.
>>
>> [image: 1 Last minute check and set up.JPG]
>>
>>
>> Craig in Tucson
>>
>> On Monday, September 23, 2019 at 11:32:36 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's the first shots of my new-to-me A/R sans front fender and rack, 
>>> and before I upright it with Boscos. It's a bummer I can't use those sweet 
>>> carbon Campy brifters, but alas my arthritic wrists won't put up with drops 
>>> anymore. 
>>>
>>> I'm curious about the sizing. The early Reader geometry chart doesn't 
>>> match it at all, this one has a 52cm ST, 55cm TT, which mimics the 52cm 
>>> Bstone XO-1. Based on the serial number (what I can see of it) I believe 
>>> this was built in 1997, did Waterford ever do custom A/Rs for Riv? 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>> Novato CA.  
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell A. Homer Hilsen 65cm (MUSA), f//f/h

2019-10-12 Thread MCT


Yes I did Alex.  Thanks for the assist.  Link to the pictures below.  Let 
me know if you want to see a picture of anything else.  Also, I am will to 
add on any of the components at the right price, except for the bell. 

The only mark I know of on the frame is circled on the top tube in one of 
the pictures.   Anything else on the pictures is dirt or dust.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1aQPAWIxqsKhdYv6uTyb5xMqc6i3dMGEc


The components are 

Shimano Ultegra r8000 rear derailler  
Shimano Ultegra front Derailler (Not 8000 previous edition)
Dia Compe 11 speed downtube shifters
48cm Nitto Noodles
Sram S-500 brake levers
Nitto S-83 seatpost
Tektro R559 brakes
Sugino Mighty Tour 901d double with sugino Bottom Bracket
Nitto either 7 or 8 cm fancy stem


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[RBW] For sale - Gilles Berthoud Arabesque saddle - black. Used on one ride

2019-10-12 Thread 'Gary L' via RBW Owners Bunch

I can't do PMs right now but if Clayton doesn't take it I will, slotted or not!

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Re: [RBW] Issues with slipping bosco bars?

Well, I stand corrected. I've never had a properly set up bar bar slip
except for cheap steel bars in cheap steel stems, and even that problem was
fixed with a box wrench (ie, it wasn't properly set up).

I guess that yes, the Bullmoose makes sense now.

On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 3:55 PM Clayton.sf  wrote:

> When I ride the bike, boscos and Albas and bullhorns and anything else
> with that kind of lever will slip in a 25.4 or 26 stem if tightened per
> torque recommended and interfaced properly. Overtorquing and friction paste
> are ways to minimize this and even that is no guarantee.
>
> Clayton Scott
> HBG, CA
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[RBW] For sale - Gilles Berthoud Arabesque saddle - black. Used on one ride

Can't find this model. If it is an Aravis  or Aspin though  without the cutout 
I will take it though.

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Can't find this model. Is it aravis  instead? If yes, I'll take it.

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

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[RBW] Re: WTB: 58cm Sam Frameset

2019-10-12 Thread Dave Grossman

I had a couple of offers for 56cms but I am going to stick with my needing 
a 58.  Seems to be the best fit.


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Re: [RBW] Issues with slipping bosco bars?

The technomic with its steel backing plat will handle a good amount of over 
torquing. Same with the sleeved boscos. Grease stem bolt and underneath bolt 
head and apply friction paste. 

Cshbgca

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[RBW] Long shot trade for a modern mtb

2019-10-12 Thread Andrew Huston

Looking to trade my 2019 Chumba Stella medium complete for a riv. Prefer an 
Atlantis, homer, or hunq in the 54-56ish size. PM if there is any interest and 
we can swap details. Thanks!!

Also willing to sell!

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[RBW] For sale- nitto dirt drop stems NIB

Update: down to the 10cm now.  

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Re: [RBW] Issues with slipping bosco bars?

The stem is a properly matched 25.4 nitto technomic deluxe.  I will try the 
friction paste.  Thanks for the tips. If that doesn’t work, I’m going back to 
albatross.  

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[RBW] Thoughts on gravel "races" and events

2019-10-12 Thread dra1980

It seems we are living in the hey day of gravel events. Lots of good people
laying out good routes with some good scenery.

I was drawn to these gravel rides a few years ago because they seemed more
relaxed than roadie events. However, as I've sort of transitioned from a
slow wanna-be racer to a slow let's enjoy this rider (thanks in part to
Grant's philosophy on cycling), I've found that I'm often alone out there
plodding along on my Joe. It seems like as more people have gotten into
gravel, they've brought some of the fast, lycra, no notice giving paceline
stuff to the events that I've turned to in the past. This past weekend I
had a great time at a 50 mile "race", rolling along enjoying the course,
hoping off my bike to traverse sandy backroads and two tracks when
necessary. By the time I got done, most of the finishers had celebrated and
moved on. The race promoters were there to give high fives, but the whole
thing left me feeling kind of lonely. I was super happy to have finished,
and just finishing is usually my goal at these things.I was comfy as heck
on my Joe and really enjoyed the ride, but I drove away wondering if the
community of gravel riders is more and more pushing these events to be
races for racers.

So what's a enjoy the ride kinda person supposed to do to connect with
others and find fun routes/events to do? I really do like being able to
have a calendar of pay to play rides to look forward to, but I'm kinda
getting sick of rude racers flying by without saying a word and everyone
being more worried about Strava times and KOMs than pedaling along and
enjoying the road. I really want to do a couple 100 mile rides next year
before I turn 40, but I'm starting to feel like the father I can ride, the
more the events with those distances are geared toward the hard core riders
who want to fly through them.

Am I just getting old and cranky? Anyone else notice this? Any remedies?

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[RBW] For sale - Gilles Berthoud Arabesque saddle - black. Used on one ride

Selling because I prefer the shape of my brooks.  The saddle was literally 
ridden for 20 minutes and went back in the box.  It’s like new and comes with 
all the original packaging and comes with leather lotion.  I will upload 
pictures shortly.  Paid close to $200 for it, but selling for $100 plus 
shipping.  It’s a shame because the saddle is BEAUTIFUL and is much higher 
quality than the brooks, but I just prefer the shape of the brooks.  Every rear 
end is different, so you may love it.   If interested, please send me a private 
message.  Thanks. 

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[RBW] Re: For sale- Soma Subtle Vitesse SL tires 48mm

Sold!

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Re: [RBW] Issues with slipping bosco bars?

There is a reason bullnoose bars made sense.

Clayton Scott
HbG, CA

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Re: [RBW] Issues with slipping bosco bars?

When I ride the bike, boscos and Albas and bullhorns and anything else with 
that kind of lever will slip in a 25.4 or 26 stem if tightened per torque 
recommended and interfaced properly. Overtorquing and friction paste are ways 
to minimize this and even that is no guarantee. 

Clayton Scott
HBG, CA

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Re: [RBW] Issues with slipping bosco bars?

Forgot to add that a properly made and properly sized, 1-bolt, 25.4 mm or
26.0 mm bar and stem combo won't slip either, in my experience, which is
pretty extensive. That is to say, in normal use *they will not slip.*

*One of the main reasons 31.8 makes more sense. Slips substantially less.*

*I prefer 2 and 4 bolt open face stems myself, or at least a steel single
bolt one. I've never had any of those slip. *

On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 3:01 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> If the stem and clamp area of the bar match as they should, the bar ought
> not to slip, at least with forces normal to normal riding. Does your stem
> have a clamp that is sized to the bar? If not, you can shim it; Riv used to
> sell a shim for this purpose, and you can also cut one from an aluminum
> can. I've used both sorts.
>
> Loctite or friction paste ought not to be needed for properly matched
> parts, at least these sorts of parts.
>
> But friction paste does work when bars slip, at least if the gap isn't
> excessive; My Dahon Hon Solo has a QR clamp that is poorly designed and
> does not squeeze the bar sufficiently; friction paste works well (as does a
> retro-fitted *all steely steel, internal cam, repurposed Campy seatpost
> QR* in place of the wimpy external-cam original).
>
> On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 1:37 PM jeff perry  wrote:
>
>> Is anyone else experiencing slipping Bosco bars?  No matter how much I
>> tighten the stem, it slips when I apply even a reasonable amount of
>> pressure on the bars.  There’s no grease in there to screw things up
>> either.  So frustrating because I like the bars, but it’s just not safe to
>> ride this way.  I’ve had zero issues on my albatross bars. Anyone else
>> experiencing similar problems?
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Re: [RBW] Issues with slipping bosco bars?

If the stem and clamp area of the bar match as they should, the bar ought
not to slip, at least with forces normal to normal riding. Does your stem
have a clamp that is sized to the bar? If not, you can shim it; Riv used to
sell a shim for this purpose, and you can also cut one from an aluminum
can. I've used both sorts.

Loctite or friction paste ought not to be needed for properly matched
parts, at least these sorts of parts.

But friction paste does work when bars slip, at least if the gap isn't
excessive; My Dahon Hon Solo has a QR clamp that is poorly designed and
does not squeeze the bar sufficiently; friction paste works well (as does a
retro-fitted *all steely steel, internal cam, repurposed Campy seatpost QR*
in place of the wimpy external-cam original).

On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 1:37 PM jeff perry  wrote:

> Is anyone else experiencing slipping Bosco bars?  No matter how much I
> tighten the stem, it slips when I apply even a reasonable amount of
> pressure on the bars.  There’s no grease in there to screw things up
> either.  So frustrating because I like the bars, but it’s just not safe to
> ride this way.  I’ve had zero issues on my albatross bars. Anyone else
> experiencing similar problems?
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[RBW] Re: 2 nice ss Sugoi wool jerseys

As usual I forgot to add something:

Size Large.

22" pit to pit.

26 1/2" bottom of neck seam to bottom of hem.

On Sat, Oct 12, 2019 at 2:51 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Medium weight, nice fabric -- tight weave, soft hand.
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> Both have or had small moth holes. Otherwise these are VG.
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> #1 has a small one, darned somewhat inexpertly, on the lower front; #2 has
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> They have only 1 small slash pocket at right bottom rear; the pockets are
> big enough to stuff a medium sized fist into.
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> The closeups look a bit more orange than the actual color; the front and
> back views show the true color pretty well.
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> $35 shipped each CONUS. Both for $64 shipped CONUS.
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[RBW] Re: Issues with slipping bosco bars?

2019-10-12 Thread Garth


I prefer 2 and 4 bolt open face stems myself, or at least a steel single 
bolt one. I've never had any of those slip. 


On Saturday, October 12, 2019 at 3:53:47 PM UTC-4, Clayton.sf wrote:
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> One of the main reasons 31.8makes more sense. Slips substantially less.
>
> Clayton Scott
> HBG, CA
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[RBW] Issues with slipping bosco bars?

One of the main reasons 31.8makes more sense. Slips substantially less.

Clayton Scott
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[RBW] Re: Issues with slipping bosco bars?

2019-10-12 Thread Garth


https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/rbw-owners-bunch/bar$20slip|sort:date/rbw-owners-bunch/-0wcciQEqq0/gzdmgfBvDAAJ

This is applicable. Seems like sufficient torque(with torque wrench of some 
sort) and/or blue loctite on the bolt threads. Carbon fiber friction paste 
also. Do measure both the bar and the stem, don't take it for granted they 
are what they say. 


On Saturday, October 12, 2019 at 3:37:06 PM UTC-4, jeff perry wrote:
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> Is anyone else experiencing slipping Bosco bars?  No matter how much I 
> tighten the stem, it slips when I apply even a reasonable amount of 
> pressure on the bars.  There’s no grease in there to screw things up 
> either.  So frustrating because I like the bars, but it’s just not safe to 
> ride this way.  I’ve had zero issues on my albatross bars. Anyone else 
> experiencing similar problems?

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[RBW] Issues with slipping bosco bars?