[RBW] Silver2 shifters on downtube?

[Bill Lindsay]

I bought two sets of X - O shifters (aka Silver 2) today at RBW HQ. One set is 
going on barcon pods and the other on the IRD stem shifter mount. I’m going to 
put one set on my Atlantis but I haven’t decided which set. I’m leaning towards 
stem shifters. 

Bill Lindsay 
El Cerrito Ca. 

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[RBW] Re: Still deciding whether you folks are a good influence or a bad influence...

[Jason Fuller]

Here are some photos of my initial build of the Clem from a buddy who takes 
nice photos (photog for the Radavist and others) 

https://www.instagram.com/p/B64oAw3h7L1/?igshid=1ptxnies22j4k


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[RBW] Re: Velocity Quill experiences?

[Andrew Turner]

I've got a 650b wheelset built by Analog that uses quill rims. They are 
fantastic rims and incredibly stiff. The first rims that I could actually 
feel a difference in especially when climbing out of the saddle. And you're 
right! They are very wide and can handle whatever your riv frame could fit. 
The only downside to them is the price. They're also wicked light so I 
wouldn't expect them to last as long as the other Velocity rims but that's 
performance for you. Just keep those pads clean. 

On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 8:50:04 PM UTC-6, tc wrote:
>
> I now have a 62 MIT Atlantis frame.  I'm gonna order a new Rich-built 
> wheelset for it.  Velocity Quill?  Cliffhanger?  
>
> I'm leaning toward Quill because they fit a wider range of tires, esp. 
> narrower ones in case I want to go crazy and fender it.  Also, Quills are 
> lighter by a pound, seem to be strong enough (I'm not gonna tour with heavy 
> loads).  Jan's article, "Myth 18: Wide Tires Need Wide Rims 
> " 
> started me on this path.  A chart in that article says a 21mm inside width 
> (what the Quill has) should be able to handle a 64mm ((!) tire ... though 
> Velocity recommends up to 47...which seems very conservative to me.  I'm 
> running Dyads and 2.1 Nano's on my Toyo Atlantis...super combination.  
>
> I won't be putting a 64 tire on a Quill, but will think strongly about the 
> 55 Antelope Hills.  Also have some 29x2 G-One Speeds to consider.
>
> Anyone have any experience with Quills?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Rack choice for Wald basket on a Hillborne

[Randall Rupp]

Thanks for the advice, mine is a non-canti version with centerpull brakes.
Think I'll try the Mark's rack

On Fri, Jan 3, 2020 at 4:18 PM Neil Doran  wrote:

> Well, I think it depends.
>
> I have been terrifically satisfied with a Mark's Rack M1 on my
> caliper-braked Sam...easy setup, looks great, and versatile, should you
> want to run a small bag instead of a basket. Always worked great, never
> failed.
>
> But I overload my basket on a regular basis and haul my crap on all manner
> of track and trail. To drive out all lingering thoughts of rack failure due
> to my camping gear, a burrito, and a 12-pack in the rack on the way to the
> camping spot, I upgraded to the Nitto Campee front rack...the one with
> integrated struts that go all the way to the lower dropout. Not that this
> rack could never fail, but I sure don't worry much about it!
>
> Plus the Campee has the removable frames for front panniers, which I
> thought I would use all the time, but in reality have never used, as all my
> kit fits into the (overloaded) basket and my Acorn seat bag.
>
> But for casual, every day use, hard to beat the M1...
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[RBW] Re: 59cm Atlantis frame, for sale or trade

[Eric Grim]

I suppose that if you can read my post you can click on my name and get the 
info, but I should have signed my post, so:

/s/ Eric Grim (Spokane, Wash.)

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[RBW] WTB - Nitto Bosco 58cm handlebar & Berthoud Galibier or Soulor saddle

[Jennings]

I may be selling my bosco bull Moose bars. 

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[RBW] Velocity Quill experiences?

[tc]

I now have a 62 MIT Atlantis frame.  I'm gonna order a new Rich-built 
wheelset for it.  Velocity Quill?  Cliffhanger?  

I'm leaning toward Quill because they fit a wider range of tires, esp. 
narrower ones in case I want to go crazy and fender it.  Also, Quills are 
lighter by a pound, seem to be strong enough (I'm not gonna tour with heavy 
loads).  Jan's article, "Myth 18: Wide Tires Need Wide Rims 
" 
started me on this path.  A chart in that article says a 21mm inside width 
(what the Quill has) should be able to handle a 64mm ((!) tire ... though 
Velocity recommends up to 47...which seems very conservative to me.  I'm 
running Dyads and 2.1 Nano's on my Toyo Atlantis...super combination.  

I won't be putting a 64 tire on a Quill, but will think strongly about the 
55 Antelope Hills.  Also have some 29x2 G-One Speeds to consider.

Anyone have any experience with Quills?

Thanks,
Tom


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[RBW] 59cm Atlantis frame, for sale or trade

[Jeffrey B]

Pm sent

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Re: [RBW] Clem L set up

[Ed Fausto]

Hi Leah,
Your short movie made me smile today.
I need to ride my bike!!!

On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 7:48 AM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> This will only likely work for those of you getting email responses to
> this post. I made a video with my front-loaded Clem today. If you’re hoping
> for highly technical, you’ll be disappointed.
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> On Dec 30, 2019, at 12:40 PM, Leah Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> This makes sense, Ed. I wonder if the new basket rack has addressed this
> issue? I’m sure it was considered when it was designed. I’m not home to
> take a real measurement, but here is a photo of my Clem L with the rack so
> you can see where it sits. I’m no expert so I don’t know, but it does look
> to me like the rack sits low and close. But maybe not as close as my Nitto
> Big Front on the Betty...
>
> Anyway, Keith, you may have more luck with this rack. I hope yours can
> work though.
> 
>
> 
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 30, 2019, at 2:08 PM, Ed Carolipio  wrote:
>
> 
> Drw mentioned earlier that Keith's rack sits too far forward and a bit
> high for the Clem. The former puts most of the ahead of the front of the
> axle rather than behind it, while the latter increases the moment of
> inertia in the side-to-side direction. Leah's rack, on the other hand, sits
> several inches closer to the fork and a couple of inches lower: note the
> distance between the rear of the rack and the v-brake and the gap between
> the rack and tire. That setup is more optimized for riding with a high
> front load, if that's your preference when hauling stuff with the bike.
>
> --Ed C.
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Re: [RBW] Clem L set up

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Haha, Joe, I don’t know about *that.* More likely is that I just don’t know 
what the heck I’m doing and prefer it that way. 藍 But Mas, you look like you’re 
handling that front load really well, so there’s hope for the OP! (And sorry 
that your bike tipped over; I shudder.)

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Re: [RBW] Clem L set up

[masmojo]

My Clementine yesterday morning on the way to work.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/kvgTv4BrmYPZcxFu8

Unfortunately,  what you don't see is me unloading it before trying to lock it 
up, because it would for sure fall over.

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Re: [RBW] Clem L set up

[Joe Bernard]

The video proves that I'm wrong or Leah can ride anything. Your choice!

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[RBW] Re: Rivelo closing in January

[jack loudon]

Many of the bike shops in Seattle have shifted more to 
maintenance/repairs.  Lucky for them, an astounding number of bicylists 
(present company excepted, of course) barely know how to add air to their 
tires, let alone do anything more complicated.  

On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 10:17:33 AM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> I can't even imagine how hard it is to support a physical store in The Age 
> Of Amazon. I'm thinking..SUPER hard.no

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[RBW] 59cm Atlantis frame, for sale or trade

[Eric Grim]

A year ago I bought an RBW Atlantis frame, but never finished building it 
up.  When Alex Wirth posted a "For Sale" notice of his remaining RBW bikes, 
I fell in love with the Appaloosa, especially the fork crown.  Sure, the 
Atlantis has a lovely fork crown, but it's the same as the crown on my 
Rivendell-designed Soma San Marcos (bought from fellow lister Nick).  Since 
I already have an example of that crown, I bought the complete Appaloosa.

Therefore I want to sell or trade:

2018 Rivendell Atlantis MiT frame, almost-but-not-quite new.  59cm.  $1250 
plus shipping.  Mounted some components on it, but it has never been 
ridden.  As the pictures of the front fork dropouts show, I put a front 
wheel on, but as the rear dropouts show, there's never been a back wheel 
on.  There are a couple of tiny chips in the paint from shelf-wear.  I'll 
include two unopened bottles of touch-up paint: one bottle of Testors #2135 
USSR Naval Interior Blue/Green, and one bottle of Waterford's "Atlantis 
Green".  The Testors #2135 paint is hard to find, some sources say it has 
been discontinued, but I found a bottle on the big auction site.

I will included the following parts: a lightly used Sugino XD2 triple 
crankset with 175mm arms and one 24 tooth inner ring.

A Nitto S83 2-bolt seatpost.  I buffed the seatpost and the inside of the 
seat tube, applied a little anti-seize compound, and the seatpost fits 
perfectly and adjusts up and down without getting scratched.  It tightens 
up fine without slipping, and without overtightening.

The Nitto "Dirt Drop" stem of your choice.  Both are in very good 
condition.  I see that I didn't put pictures of them up at the link, but 
you know what they look like, don't you?  Grin (credit to Deacon Patrick 
for "grin" (TM))  (That's intended to be a friendly joke, in case it isn't 
clear)

A Nitto RM017 "Albastashe" bar OR a Nitto RM016N "Mustache" handlebar.  
Both are used but not bent or dented.  I cleaned the tape residue off of 
them.  The place where the stem clamps is lightly marked on the Albastache, 
and more heavily marked on the Mustache.  Both bars are lightly marked 
where the brake levers were clamped.

I would like a nice lady's-style bike for my wife.  She's 5'6" tall, and 
strongly prefers a step-through, girls'-type bike.  I think she would like 
a Betty Foy (more desirable) or a Clementine.  I can't find a sizing chart 
for the discontinued Betty Foy, but based on the reviews of the bike I have 
read I think a 55cm or 58cm would fit her.

Thank you for reading.  If it would make a trade more desirable, I also 
have two Nitto racks that are surplus to my needs:  Nitto "Big Back Rack", 
Large 33R, never mounted on a bicycle, some shelf wear from being moved 
around from time to time (mostly it hangs from a dowel in the rafters) [new 
price $220].

Nitto "Big Front Rack".  Some superficial wear, not bent or dented, well 
cared for.  Just checked the RBW website and didn't see this rack 
available, but the last time I saw it available, it was the same price as 
the rear rack ($220 new).  I'm not sure how to value the racks in trade, if 
you have a step-through bike to trade, let's try to work something out.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/c2bkB4veayXr54R8A

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[RBW] Re: Rack choice for Wald basket on a Hillborne

[Neil Doran]

Well, I think it depends.

I have been terrifically satisfied with a Mark's Rack M1 on my 
caliper-braked Sam...easy setup, looks great, and versatile, should you 
want to run a small bag instead of a basket. Always worked great, never 
failed.

But I overload my basket on a regular basis and haul my crap on all manner 
of track and trail. To drive out all lingering thoughts of rack failure due 
to my camping gear, a burrito, and a 12-pack in the rack on the way to the 
camping spot, I upgraded to the Nitto Campee front rack...the one with 
integrated struts that go all the way to the lower dropout. Not that this 
rack could never fail, but I sure don't worry much about it!

Plus the Campee has the removable frames for front panniers, which I 
thought I would use all the time, but in reality have never used, as all my 
kit fits into the (overloaded) basket and my Acorn seat bag.

But for casual, every day use, hard to beat the M1...

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[RBW] Re: Silver2 shifters on downtube?

[Joe Bernard]

Yep, the doohickey is only of use to folks like me who already have Paul 
mounts. I'd like to have tried it, but the Silver2 is working splendidly on a 
bar-end pod so I don't envision getting the new mount later. 

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[RBW] Re: Silver2 shifters on downtube?

[lambbo]

Thank Joe - hopefully one will become available soon! Looks like the 
internet it out.  But also, didn't Grant or Will say they're coming out 
with their own thumb mount in February hopefully? I do hope

On Friday, January 3, 2020 at 12:48:18 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> These doohickeys. 
>
> On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 9:44:47 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
> > Nope, it's a base that sits on top of the Paul base, then the Silver 
> shifter sits on that.
>
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[RBW] Re: Rack choice for Wald basket on a Hillborne

[masmojo]

The obvious answer is the RBW Nitto basket rack, but spending $250 to hold up a 
$20 basket seems antithema.
My recommendation and a solution I've used regularly is a SOMA Lucas or Lucas2 
rack. Inexpensive and well made.

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[RBW] Re: 1/1/20 Blahg

[masmojo]

Well, Bill I am not sure if indispensable is the word I would choose, but they 
(index shifters) certainly are butt saver sometimes. 

The answer though, at least for the time being is Microshift. Surly's have come 
with'em for years. Unfortunately, that's pretty much it. To me the issue is not 
indexing as much as it is these overly complex, non user serviceable shifting 
contraptions of the last 25 years. This all makes me think that maybe 
electronic shifting ain't really that bad!???
My recently built Crust Scapegoat has a 10 speed SRAM "trigger" shifter. I'd 
like to say I hate it, but truth is it's not that bad. I just don't have too 
much faith that it'll hold up very well.

Very simply shifting is shifting, I've done it 10s of thousands of times and I 
really don't derive a high amount of satisfaction from doing it right. Exactly 
the opposite really; I expect to do it right & I  am just mildly annoyed if it 
goes awry for some reason.
Increasingly, my fear is that the parts to build a Rivendell are going to go 
from being commonplace to sort of proprietary. As they move further from the 
main stream. The choices start to become fewer and more expensive. Finding a 
650B disc rim or wheel set is falling off a log easy; rim brake on the other 
hand,  although not too difficult is hard to do inexpensively and it's only 
likely to get worse.

Increasing the front center of a Clem cockpit, may seem fairly innocent, until 
you think about putting handlebars on it. Your gonna need bars with more sweep 
back & really nobody else makes those, only Rivendell. This isn't so much a 
complaint as an observation. 

Manual shifters in cars sadly are not making a comeback, they've just held on & 
I hope they continue to. But, I'm afraid, especially with the advent of 
electric cars their days are numbered. More & more CVTs are replacing 
automatics as the default transmission and that's pretty much the way it's 
going to go. It's a short script at this point.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1/1/20 Blahg

[Patrick Moore]

Interesting generalization of the connection between tool technology and
human flourishing. In this connection, I recall reading a very interesting
book some 10 or so years ago about a MIT master's student who spent a year
or so with a very technology-conservative (no black bumper cars, no
gasoline engines on horse-drawn reapers) Amish or Mennonite community, with
the goal of finding out how much leisure and consequent contentment they
had compared to use ordinary cubicle folk. He found that, because they did
things slowly by hand in family and communal groups, then by a generous
definition of leisure time -- time spent drinking lemonade and chatting
while shelling peas would be leisure for example -- they actually had far
more leisur time than we'uns.

Back to regular programming. Me, I do like the effort, challenge,
difficulty, skill, and autonomy required by, for example, shifting
friction, making bread by hand (actually, it's easier and quicker -- far
less cleanup -- for me than with a processor or bread machine and you get
better results), food prep (good knife instead of machine), etc. because it
makes these activities into fun, or at least, "more-fun") pastimes instead
of just another damned chore. Likewise driving -- the most fun car I ever
owned, even in traffic -- hell, especially in traffic! -- had a
4-on-the-dash with 29 hp engine and, thank God, a torquey power band.

On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 8:09 PM Mark Roland  wrote:

> Interesting. While it would still be necessary to market friction shifting
> and long chainstays and rim brakes in contrast to what is on most other
> bicycles, you would really focus on the skills and the connection between
> the rider and the bicycle and the environment. I've long been interested in
> technology and energy, and how these forces affect economic and social
> structures. In the past, over on IBob,  I've referred to Ivan Illich's *Tools
> For Conviviality*. to make a few different points about bicycles. In
> relation to the most recent Blagh post, the first chapter, Two Watersheds,
> is relevant.
>
> The institution of health care/medicine is used as an example (and has
> only gained in its prescience and accuracy, unfortunately!), but the
> example of the development of the slant parallelogram in the early 70s
> (watershed 1, solving a real issue and greatly improving the performance of
> the bicycle drive train) and the onslaught of indexing systems in the
> early-mid 80s (watershed 2, where the "improvements" are minimal, and the
> benefit mainly goes to the purveyor of the more complex, more
> interdependent system, not the user) By the mid nineties, with the advent
> of suspension systems, disc brakes, carbon fiber, increasing specialization
> of equipment, clothing, etc., watershed 2 for bicycle design was definitely
> reached. Anyone interested in reading this chapter, or the whole book, can
> find it here:
> https://arl.human.cornell.edu/linked%20docs/Illich_Tools_for_Conviviality.pdf
>
> A quote from *Tools For Conviviality* that seems apropos to Grant's
> current blog:
>
> "Tools are intrinsic to social relationships. An individual relates
> himself in action to his society through the use of tools that he actively
> masters, or by which he is passively acted upon. To the degree that he masters
> his tools, he can invest the world with his meaning; to the degree that he
> is mastered by his tools, the shape of the tool determines his own
> self-image.Convivial tools are those which give each person who uses them the
> greatest opportunity to enrich the environment with the fruits of his or her
> vision. Industrial tools deny this possibility to those who use them and they
> allow their designers to determine the meaning and expectations of
> others. Most tools today cannot be used in a convivial fashion."
>
> While I'm hogging bandwidth with lengthy quotes and little original
> thought, here is another take on the matter, from another big thinker:
>
> "Our souls as well as our bodies are composed of individual elements which
> were all already present in the ranks of our ancestors. The “newness” in
> the individual psyche is an endlessly varied recombination of age-old
> components. Body and soul therefore have an intensely historical character
> and find no proper place in what is new , in things that have just come
> into being. That is to say, our ancestral components are only partly at
> home in such things. We are very far from having finished completely with
> the Middle Ages, classical antiquity, and primitivity, as our modern
> psyches pretend.
>
>
> Nevertheless, we have plunged down a cataract of progress, which sweeps us
> on into the future with ever wilder violence the farther it takes us from
> our roots. Once the past has been breached, it is usually annihilated, and
> there is no stopping the forward motion. But it is precisely the loss of
> connection with the past, our uprootedness, which has given rise to the
> “discontents” of 

Re: [RBW] Re: 1/1/20 Blahg

[Patrick Moore]

+ 1 for this sort of shifting. I actually enjoy the wider variety of torque
and cadence required by old fashioned drivetrains (with the exception that
I do prefer very close ratios in the very middle, middle defined by
use/terrain/type of riding; eg, pavement, 65-70-75 gi (thus must look for
Sturmey Archer AC hub; source = Sheldon:)

AC 3 Close 106.66
100
93.3 A rare model, made for club bicycles, time trials
.

Tho' I may have to content myself with the AM at 1.115/1.0/0.8654 --
roughly 2-teeth differences in the middle pavement range.

Of course, I don't do a lot of technical singletrack or even short, steep
hilly terrain; would doubtless have second thoughts about indexing (or ss +
walking??) for such uses.



On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 5:02 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> ...
>


> I love Silver Power Ratchet shifters but they do indeed belong in the
> simple/fixie category of bikes you don't shift much..a thing Grant has
> promoted since way back in the Bstone days. When I use them I tend to stay
> in a particular gear longer and just grind it or coast down because hunting
> for gears with friction can be more bother than it's worth. This works
> great for me - especially on my eClem which hardly needs to be shifted -
> but as masmojo says wouldn't be great on hilly dirt rides. If I bought a
> Gus/Susie it would get a 1x indexed drivetrain, my custom will have one
> Silver shifting two rings up front.
>

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Re: [RBW] 1/1/20 Blahg

[Paul Clifton]

There's a lot of stuff in the Blahg post. I'm glad I took the time to read 
it all.

It's been mentioned here a couple times already, but it doesn't have to be 
a battle between friction and index. Why not both, and part of that is for 
the reasons that Patrick M. and Mark R. are stating. There's a value to the 
experience of direct control of the machine.

I see young people seeking out those kinds of experiences all over the 
place - vinyl records, hand crank coffee grinders, knitting and other 
crafts, even trendy axes. *Tools for Conviviality* is definitely a good 
source for thinking about that kind of stuff. I don't know how far it gets 
into the lived experiences of young adults who come of age in a digital 
world, but many people under 30 feel like they are missing something by 
having their day-to-day existence black-boxed and white-labeled. My brother 
(currently about 25) said of his peers, "We latch on to anything that can 
give us a real expereience." FWIW, he is into printmaking.

Things like friction shifters need to continue to exist so that people who 
are compelled to have the experience can have it. I think Riv and Grant do 
an amazing job putting things like friction shifters out there and 
attracting the people who want to try them.

That doesn't mean that index shifting doesn't have a place. Grant even 
explicitly talks about a certain type of skilled MTB rider who enjoys the 
thrill of riding fast, dodging trees, and popping wheelies. And every time 
it comes up, he say something to the effect of "If you like it, good for 
you, go have fun." I've done a lot of mountain biking with friction 
shifting (even 10 speed), and I like it just fine. If I need to go from a 
hard gear to and easy gear, I just yank the lever further and keep 
pedaling. But I prefer a 21st century index shifter on my mountain bike, 
mostly because the shifter is easier to access with my hands near the 
brakes.

I think that there are skills that are easier to learn on a bike with index 
shifters and short chainstays and skills that are easier to learn on 
friction/long bikes. I've reached the limits of what I can do on my 
MTBubbe, but I want to keep pushing my limits, so I'm going to try out a 
modern MTB. I've been practicing manuals and bunny hops and drops and pump 
tracks and all of that. It's all super fun to me, but some of it is damn 
hard on a long bike. I wipe out on berms and babyheads almost every time I 
ride. I enjoy going slow over them, and I can stay upright, but I'd like to 
ride them faster, and a little suspension will improve traction and make 
that possible. I don't know about short chainstays, steep seat tube angles, 
and short stems though. We'll see.

I don't expect my Rivs to do everything a modern MTB does. I KNOW that they 
do some things better though. I've only ridden a handful of trails that 
might be more fun on a squishy bike. I don't think most single track will 
be made any better by suspension and shorter wheelbase. I like brifters. I 
like friction and index bar ends. Not so into thumbies. Hate downtubes. 
It's all personal preference, and thanks to Grant for making such 
idiocyncratic bikes that people with indocyncratic preferences and bikes to 
ride.

Index shifters and Riv bikes are for everyone, but chosen by a type of 
person who values (at least part of) the experience they enable. That type 
of person and those values aren't going anywhere. As long as there are 
parts out there and the freedom and knowledge to fool around with them, the 
people who want them will find them.

My Rosco Baby and my wife's Clem fit on my roof rack, so there are 
definitely options for carrying long bikes.

Paul in NW Arkansas

P.S. Every time Grant says he doesn't like something, he isn't "belittling" 
it. He may be philosophically opposed to the industry trends and modern MTB 
risk-taking style that led to what he's talking about, but it's clear he 
respects other riders and the riding they enjoy: "For having fun and as a 
dancing sprite, andelf-imp on twisty singletracks, tossing the rear wheel 
here and there, wheelie-ing on a whim, and other things like that, that 
sound fun on paper, but I couldn’t relate to. Maybe it is a matter of 
riding style and skill." Grant has his riding style and his bikes are good 
for it. Other people have a different style and they choose bike for that. 
Some people enjoy many styles and buy Rivs and modern bikes and ride them 
all, and I've never heard Grant say negative stuff about anyone enjoying 
any kind of bike ride - the industry pushing a style for sales and the 
compromises it makes to push that style, and the environmental costs and 
labor costs etc. - that's another thing.

Just Ride.

On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 8:27:50 PM UTC-6, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> They’re hard to wheelie? 
>
> Grant belittles a “playful” mountain bike in this post, but getting the 
> front end up to get over an obstacle, or just to have fun, is part of 
> mountain 

[RBW] Re: Rack choice for Wald basket on a Hillborne

[jtallman]

I like the constructeur front rack from Velo Orange. I have it on multiple 
bikes. Handles baskets, rando bags, small panniers.  I have also mounted it 
on the rear and used it as a saddlebag support. Works great.

Jon Tallman

On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 10:21:42 PM UTC-5, Randall Rupp wrote:
>
>
> I've got a Sam Hillborne and a Wald basket (medium) that I had rigged up 
> with a Racktime front rack.  That combo proved problematic so I ditched the 
> Racktime rack.  What are the better front rack alternatives for the Wald 
> basket?  Is the Mark's rack good for the Wald baskets?
>

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[RBW] Re: Post Christmas Garage Cleanout. Brooks, Nitto, Shimano, VO

[John Aydelotte]

Well we're down to the Brooks Flyer in aged tan for $75 - this one I'll 
eBay on Monday if nobody here has interest.  Thanks for making everything 
disappear quickly!

On Sunday, December 29, 2019 at 8:54:54 AM UTC-7, John Aydelotte wrote:
>
> Time to dump some parts and pieces I'm not using.  All prices include 
> shipping (CONUS) via Priority USPS.  I may knock a few bucks off if you 
> combine items.
>
> Pictures of all are here:  https://photos.app.goo.gl/uUnbFnajcsCayVvB7
>
> 1. Nitto S65 Seatpost - 200mm length. 27.2mm Diameter. Single bolt. 
> Clearly used, but no damage. $45
>
> 2. Nitto Dirt Drop Stem - 190mm Quill. Fits 24.5mm bars and 22.2mm 
> Diameter. Nice shape except for some gouges on top (see picture). $40
>
> 3. Brooks Flyer Special in Honey - Maybe 8yo and 3-4K miles on it, so 
> plenty of life left. $75
>
> 4. Brooks Flyer in Aged Tan (I think - it's darker than honey) - almost 
> new - 500 miles or so on it. $85
>
> 5. Nitto RM016 Mustache Bar - installed once and used for a couple hundred 
> miles.  26mm clamp diameter.  $40
>
> 6. Shimano 105 front derailleur for triple. Fits 28.6 diameter seat-tube.  
> $20
>
> 7. Shimano PD-A600 SPD Pedals. Single-sided. Pretty beat up, but hey, 
> they're pedals.  $20
>
> 8. Shimano PD-A530 SPD Pedals. SPD one side and platform the other.  Less 
> beat up...  $35
>
> 9. VO early model of the Croissant Saddle Bag. Brown. Later models had 
> leather trim at all seams, and a stiffener inside, which made it a better 
> bag - this one is a bit  floppy? The tie or elastic that went between 
> the flaps at the opening is gone, but easily replaced.  Otherwise what it 
> really needs is a good clean - maybe rewax - put a piece of plastic on the 
> bottom to stiffen it up and it's better.  $20
>
> 10. VO Campagne Handlebar Bag.  Black canvas w/ brown leather trim. There 
> are leather straps (inside) that can attach this bag to your front 
> handlebars. Dimensions are 11"w x 6"d x 8"h. Has carrying strap, map pocket 
> on top.  Pretty nice bag that I never used much. $50
>
> 11. Nitto Campee 33R Rear Rack.  Bought from someone on this list- used a 
> bit and then my needs changed. VG shape. I have no hardware other than 
> what's in the picture, but I think you just need 5mm bolts (and who on this 
> list doesn't have some of those?)  $120
>
> 12. Nitto Campee 34F Front Lowrider Rack.  Bought on this list and never 
> touched it. Same disclaimer about hardware. $100.  
>
>* I'll do $200 for both Nitto racks if someone wants.
>
> 13. VO Campeur Rear Rack.  New with all hardware - never been installed. 
> No pics but new ones are here: 
> https://velo-orange.com/products/campeur-rear-rack  $120 
> 
>
> I take PayPal, Venmo, or check/mo if you want.  And if any of these prices 
> seem insane, feel free to let me know or make an offer.  Whatever doesn't 
> sell in the next few days is headed to my local bike co-op.  Thanks for 
> looking!
>
> John
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Snow and Brisk Riding Tips

[Mat Grewe]

Thanks guys.  I've ridden studs when I used to commute in town, but now 
that I live rural (with a much longer commute), the roads seem to have way 
less glaze ice.  So I think it's worth the foray into supple knobbies 
instead of jumping right to studs.  Enjoy the brisk weather no doubt coming 
later in January!

Mat
Driftless Wisconsin

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[RBW] 2019 stats? Post'em if ya got'em

[masmojo]

Dorothy, sounds like you are living the dream to me!? 4 Rivendells, no waiting.
I expect you have the problem I frequently find myself with which is the bike I 
am riding may not be the one I want to ride, but the one that doesn't need a 
flat fixed or some other maintenance done! 藍

Along the lines of Patrick's story,  several years ago I  passed an older 
gentleman who was pushing his bike up a small hill ( I SO wish I had taken his 
picture). I thought he had a mechanical, so I  stopped to check on him. He said 
"no problem, I just can't get up these hills anymore like I used to. The doctor 
told me to ride a bike for my heart so I bought this bike".
Judging by the bike that was probably 30 years ago!
Then he said "I'm 86 I can't go as good anymore"
I said "your doing better than me, I'll be worm dirt WAY before 86!"

Amazing!

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[RBW] WTB - Nitto Bosco 58cm handlebar & Berthoud Galibier or Soulor saddle

[Jason Braaten]

Anyone selling a Nitto Bosco 58cm handlebar?  Also interested in a Berthoud 
Galibier or Soulor saddle (any color).  Message me if selling. 

Best, 

Jason Braaten 
Brick, NJ 
USA

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[RBW] 2019 stats? Post'em if ya got'em

[Rob Kristoff]

Mileage was modest, but I'm proud to report that I (just barely) topped 50,000 
ft. of climbing in 2019.

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[RBW] Re: 1/1/20 Blahg

[Brewster Fong]

On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 9:33:42 PM UTC-8, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I don't think he's right about the return of dt shifters. I would also 
> contest his contention that manual shift is making a comeback in sports 
> cars; there's a stalwart few who never abandoned them, but I'm not seeing a 
> mad rush back in that area. Dual-clutch semi-autos with paddle shifters are 
> not the car equivalent of downtubers. 


Agree, this is way off topic, but what car mfr is bringing back manual 
shifters?!  Yes, Miatas, certain Hondas, Toyotas. VWs, Ford, GM and of 
course BMW and Porsche still offer it.

But with the advent of Battery Electric Vehicles (BEV), the leader is Tesla 
and they only have one speed. Same for the Chevy Bolt and Nissan Leaf.  
Even the new $150K Porsche Taycan will only have a 2 speed transmission. 
None of these BEVs have manual transmissions. 

Similarly, with bicycles, things are going to e-shifting with Shimano di2, 
Sram etap and Campy EPS. They all work very well. I don't see a return to 
dt shiftersGood Luck! 

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[RBW] Re: Still deciding whether you folks are a good influence or a bad influence...

[Garth]

Are you using a long lever like a breaker bar ?  I have a 24" one and at 
first I thought I had gotten one too long .. hah !  . it was 
perfect ! 




On Thursday, January 2, 2020 at 8:20:43 PM UTC-5, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>
>
> Assembly today went smoothly except two issues; one, the folks at Riv 
> installed the BB with such force that I very, very nearly stripped it 
> trying to remove it 
>

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