Re: [RBW] Finally getting an actual Rivendell, and the anticipation is BRUTAL

[James Warren]

Hillborne!

You’re probably getting the best of all Riv models. 


> On Mar 3, 2020, at 8:03 PM, Nathan Mattia  wrote:
> 
> Tomorrow I’m going to be teaching my 8th grade students the blessings and 
> curses of Jacksonian Democracy, but all I’ll really be thinking about is my 
> orange Sam Hillborne currently under construction at my LBS.  How are the 
> wheels coming along?  Have the spokes arrived yet?  How will the light mount 
> to the front rack?  
> But the build questions are NOTHING compared to the ride anticipations.
> Where shall I take it first?  The usual loop around Forest Park?  Commute to 
> school?  Or will it be somewhere new, just between me and Sam?  
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[RBW] Re: OT: Wrenching for homeless

[Julian Westerhout]

Tim, 

I do quite a lot of wrenching at our local co-op, which is down the street 
from a Sally Ann mission and a bit farther from another mission. We get 
some homeless, and lots of folks who live on the margins. You might be 
shocked at how bad some of the bikes are, yet they still get ridden miles 
per day. 

When it comes to fixes, flats, and worn/missing brake pads are the number 
one "urgent" repairs -- so pads for sidepull and V brakes, plus perhaps 
canti pads, plus 26 and 27" tubes. Lube and a pump. 

Don't let your desire for full function get in the way of getting folks 
rolling-- especially if there's good turnout. Generally accept that having 
one working brake is far better than none, and an out of true wheel that 
still rolls without jamming into the frame still gets folks going. 

Don't stress out over your abilities -- whatever you can offer is a gift. 
Smile, engage with the riders, and have fun. It is some of the most 
rewarding and in some ways the most frustrating activities in my life -- 
but well worth it. 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, Il 



On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 5:09:06 PM UTC-6, Tim wrote:
>
> I'm soliciting advice from the group. I volunteered to do some bike repair 
> at an event designed for helping homeless folks here in Tucson. I have 
> always described myself as a "mediocre" mechanic, but in reality, I've 
> built up 3 Rivs and do almost all of my own repairs and my bikes all work 
> just fine, so maybe I'm more than mediocre. But after volunteering I nearly 
> backed out, worried about being ill-prepared, but I sucked it up and am 
> going to do it. Mostly I was/still am, worried about what I may encounter. 
> I talked to Will about this and he felt like flat tires and poorly adjusted 
> brakes/shifters would be the main things needed. I tend to agree. I have a 
> few tires that I was going to sell here but instead I will take them with 
> me and give away and mount, if needed. I'll be in the Bay Area Thursday and 
> am visiting Riv (gotta ride a GBW at Shell Ridge!) and plan on buying 2-3 
> sets each of brake and shifter cables, plus several patch kits to give away 
> and show them how to patch a tube. The event is March 27th so I plan on 
> going to a few LBS to ask advice as well and perhaps see if they'd be 
> willing to donate anything. I'll bring some lubricant as well. I know most 
> of the bikes will be Huffy-type rides so not too worried about electronic 
> shifting and dick brakes, of which I know absolutely nothing. I know I 
> can't be prepared of every eventuality but is there anything that anyone 
> thinks I've ignored/overlooked? Thanks in advance! 

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[RBW] Re: Walking boots -- not entirely unrelated to cycling

[Philip Williamson]

I got a great set of well-used Redwing fireman boots at Goodwill ($10) a few 
years ago, and had the soles replaced with a soft flat Vibram sole ($80). They 
fit my narrow 13 feet really well, and the laced-in zippers ($35 when I had to 
replace them) make for the easiest boot-donning of my life. 
I hotrodded them as a hipster fashion statement, but ended up wearing them to 
build a chicken coop, plant trees, prune a giant oak several times, and now 
they look like hell. 

With their steel toe and steel last, I would not hike with them, but I love 
them.

Philip
Santa Rosa, Cal.

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Re: [RBW] OT: Wrenching for homeless

[Patrick Moore]

Hello Tim. Good on ya mate (https://tinyurl.com/Speight-s -- sorry, I like
this commercial) for your volunteer intentions. I've been volunteering with
a group of cyclists to fix bikes for the homeless at a local homeless
services n-f-p (The Rock at Noon on 2nd Street) every last Friday of the
month. Ours is a pretty well organized program, since the leader is retired
and has a 2nd hobby job at the local Trek Store, from which he gets
supplies -- cables, tubes, tires, take-off parts.

If your crowd is anything like ours, be prepared for absolutely trashed
bikes of all sorts, from Wallmart POS to middle-range Giants. I've seen 9
speed wheels jammed into 5 speed frames, trashed threads, no-brakes too
often to count, brakes mismatched with frames and wheels -- example: Can't
keep brake pad from rubbing because mis-matching wheel is offset 3 cm in
frame; derailleurs mismatched with cogsets, V-brakes that cannot even when
new be properly adjusted on $99 Walmart POS, unspeakably filthy layers of
grease, dirt, foodstuffs and who knows what else -- I went out and bought a
box of nitrile gloves; very odd BMX thread and axle and component standards
(out leader said, "no more BMX), frames hauled in with wheels of the wrong
size in the hope that we can install them; and so forth. Most of the
recipients are polite, but we do get the crazed and drugged -- a police car
is often sitting in the parking lot -- and the complaining -- "Why did you
zip tie the housing to the frame?" (because the POS frame has housing stops
that kink the housing), "I don't like the way this shifts" -- recipient of
a donated, lovely British racing green, classic late '80s Cannondale mtb
with Suntour group including lovely friction shifters; but of course, he
didn't know he had.

I spend a great deal of time figuring out how to replace shift cables in
the mostly-plastic, proprietary Shimano and Grip Shift shifters of various
eras, and how to get brakes to work when theys missing return springs;
thing like that. You also spend a lot of time replacing tubes (if you can
get a gallon of Slime and pump, that will help a great deal).

I figure that if I can get 1 person back on the road with at least 1
semi-working brake, a drivetrain that works at least in a few gears, and 2
non-flat tires, I've done my best for that session.

Good luck, and please report your experience.



On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 4:09 PM 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> I'm soliciting advice from the group. I volunteered to do some bike repair
> at an event designed for helping homeless folks here in Tucson. I have
> always described myself as a "mediocre" mechanic, but in reality, I've
> built up 3 Rivs and do almost all of my own repairs and my bikes all work
> just fine, so maybe I'm more than mediocre. But after volunteering I nearly
> backed out, worried about being ill-prepared, but I sucked it up and am
> going to do it. Mostly I was/still am, worried about what I may encounter.
> I talked to Will about this and he felt like flat tires and poorly adjusted
> brakes/shifters would be the main things needed. I tend to agree. I have a
> few tires that I was going to sell here but instead I will take them with
> me and give away and mount, if needed. I'll be in the Bay Area Thursday and
> am visiting Riv (gotta ride a GBW at Shell Ridge!) and plan on buying 2-3
> sets each of brake and shifter cables, plus several patch kits to give away
> and show them how to patch a tube. The event is March 27th so I plan on
> going to a few LBS to ask advice as well and perhaps see if they'd be
> willing to donate anything. I'll bring some lubricant as well. I know most
> of the bikes will be Huffy-type rides so not too worried about electronic
> shifting and dick brakes, of which I know absolutely nothing. I know I
> can't be prepared of every eventuality but is there anything that anyone
> thinks I've ignored/overlooked? Thanks in advance!
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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB 1 1/8" threadless stem 25.4mm clamp

[Justin Kennedy]

Hey joe sorry didn’t see your PM. This looks great. (And GEORGE thanks for
the offer!  but wanting silver rather than black). I’ll PM you for payment
details.

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 6:19 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I PMed this to Justin and haven't heard back yet so I'll post it here,
> too. First dibs to him if he wants it.
>
> Dimension, 80mm, about 9° +/-, installed at some point but I have no
> memory of using it, I think I ended up with a taller stem. $20 shipped.
>
> On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 8:58:55 AM UTC-8, Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn,
> NY) wrote:
> > Hi everybody, I'm looking for a 1 1/8" threadless stem w/ 25.4mm clamp,
> preferably some length (90-120mm), and some rise/drop angle. Condition
> isn't terribly important as it's going on a beater Xtracycle conversion
> bike I keep on the street for transporting the kid around.
> >
> >
> > Would also solicit recommendations for a new budget-option stem. Are the
> $35-40 VO or Soma stems decent? Mostly city commuting, no off roads or
> trails.
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
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[RBW] OT: Wrenching for homeless

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

You might consider buying a bulk roll of brake housing. The cheap stuff works 
for just about anything (except dick brakes, I'd say they're on their own 
there), friction shifting is great with it, all manner of brakes of course, and 
index isn't so terrible with it.
Enjoy!
-Kai

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[RBW] OT: Wrenching for homeless

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm soliciting advice from the group. I volunteered to do some bike repair at 
an event designed for helping homeless folks here in Tucson. I have always 
described myself as a "mediocre" mechanic, but in reality, I've built up 3 Rivs 
and do almost all of my own repairs and my bikes all work just fine, so maybe 
I'm more than mediocre. But after volunteering I nearly backed out, worried 
about being ill-prepared, but I sucked it up and am going to do it. Mostly I 
was/still am, worried about what I may encounter. I talked to Will about this 
and he felt like flat tires and poorly adjusted brakes/shifters would be the 
main things needed. I tend to agree. I have a few tires that I was going to 
sell here but instead I will take them with me and give away and mount, if 
needed. I'll be in the Bay Area Thursday and am visiting Riv (gotta ride a GBW 
at Shell Ridge!) and plan on buying 2-3 sets each of brake and shifter cables, 
plus several patch kits to give away and show them how to patch a tube. The 
event is March 27th so I plan on going to a few LBS to ask advice as well and 
perhaps see if they'd be willing to donate anything. I'll bring some lubricant 
as well. I know most of the bikes will be Huffy-type rides so not too worried 
about electronic shifting and dick brakes, of which I know absolutely nothing. 
I know I can't be prepared of every eventuality but is there anything that 
anyone thinks I've ignored/overlooked? Thanks in advance! 

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[RBW] Re: WTB 1 1/8" threadless stem 25.4mm clamp

[George Schick]

Got one you can have just for the asking.  A black Profile Design with the 
stem and clamp sizes you spec'd, with approximately 30 degree rise angle, 
but rather long - about 130mm or so.  If you want it PM me for shipping 
details, etc.

George

On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 10:58:55 AM UTC-6, Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, 
NY) wrote:
>
> Hi everybody, I'm looking for a 1 1/8" threadless stem w/ 25.4mm clamp, 
> preferably some length (90-120mm), and some rise/drop angle. Condition 
> isn't terribly important as it's going on a beater Xtracycle conversion 
> bike I keep on the street for transporting the kid around. 
>
> Would also solicit recommendations for a new budget-option stem. Are the 
> $35-40 VO or Soma stems decent? Mostly city commuting, no off roads or 
> trails.
>
> Thanks!
>

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Re: [RBW] WTB 1 1/8" threadless stem 25.4mm clamp

[Steven Frederick]

Dimension stems come in many lengths, angles and clamp diameters.  Usually
under $30 too.

Steve

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 11:59 AM Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY) <
thesixtht...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everybody, I'm looking for a 1 1/8" threadless stem w/ 25.4mm clamp,
> preferably some length (90-120mm), and some rise/drop angle. Condition
> isn't terribly important as it's going on a beater Xtracycle conversion
> bike I keep on the street for transporting the kid around.
>
> Would also solicit recommendations for a new budget-option stem. Are the
> $35-40 VO or Soma stems decent? Mostly city commuting, no off roads or
> trails.
>
> Thanks!
>
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[RBW] Re: My Custom Rivendell

[Bill Lindsay]

I've seen damaged decals with clear coat on top several times.  It's quite 
common.  Please don't test it out on your frame by sliding it back and 
forth in the clamp.  :)  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 8:48:32 AM UTC-8, lconley wrote:
>
> These days, the decal has clear coat on top.
>
> Laing
>
> On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 11:46:29 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> "I have been hanging bikes from the seat tube for years with no ill 
>> effects because:"
>>
>> The risk (to me) is the seat tube decal.  If somebody moves the frame in 
>> the clamp, the decal can get smeared.  When you are all alone in a workshop 
>> that's all on you, and I'm sure you are careful.  Some of us have worked at 
>> bike shops and more than once, I'd clamp a bike that way and another 
>> coworker would squeeze past and shift the bike and wreck a customer's seat 
>> tube decal.  That's not my coworker's fault.  That's my fault for clamping 
>> over the decal.  
>>
>> Just be careful.  It would be a shame to smear the decal on such a lovely 
>> machine.  :)
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 6:20:58 AM UTC-8, lconley wrote:
>>>
>>> The frame angles are supposed to be 72 deg seat tube and 71.5 deg head 
>>> tube. The top tube angle is 6 deg.
>>>
>>> Not sure how much head tube extension there is - somewhere around an 
>>> inch. The steerer tube is threaded and I will fill whatever gap is not 
>>> taken up by the brake cable hanger with spacers - probably slip an orange 
>>> one in there somewhere. The brake cable hanger and 29.8 seat post shown are 
>>> temporary. I have a Paul Funky Monkey front hanger on the way as well as a 
>>> 30.0 seat post. I am going to use a MT-10 100 mm 25.4 Dirt Drop stem, 225 
>>> mm long for the initial setup with Rene Herse 460 mm Randonneur handlebars. 
>>> The long stem will allow me to get the bars up where I want them without 
>>> getting the stem expander into the threads. I am just shy of my 64th 
>>> birthday, so slammed stems are a thing of the past. I have been riding drop 
>>> bars for about 49 years and like the variety of hand positions available. I 
>>> am looking forward to being able to use the dirt drop stem and not having 
>>> the tradition "7" shaped stem poke me in the gut when I am stopped and 
>>> standing over the top tube.
>>>
>>> I got a 27.2 to 30.0 seat post spacer yesterday so I can hang by a 
>>> 27.2 seat post now for those who worry about such things. I have been 
>>> hanging bikes from the seat tube for years with no ill effects because:
>>> 1. I don't over tighten the clamp
>>> 2. I keep the clamp grip surface clean
>>> 3. On Paramounts and Rivendells you cannot hang by the top tube due to 
>>> the off-center brake cable placement [note that the custom has a centered 
>>> brake cable (so does the Frank Jones Sr.)]
>>> 4. Due to my long torso and short legs, I tend to ride frames that are 
>>> too tall for me to get a longer top tube, thus there is not enough 
>>> seat post exposed to clamp.
>>>
>>> I have 20+ bikes including 10+ Rivendells and have fenders and racks and 
>>> triple cranks, etc. on many. I wanted the clean look of naked forks, seat 
>>> stays and dropouts from the racing bikes of my younger days. I describe the 
>>> bike as a old, fat man's racing bike. Grant would not allow me to chrome 
>>> the forks and stays or even the dropout faces. Fenders don't do much good 
>>> in Florida when it rains anyway. I have saddlebag and handle bar bags when 
>>> I need to carry stuff. And yes, I must confess to having plaid matching 
>>> Nigel Smythe bags. I even have a tiny center pull mounted rack with a ecru 
>>> colored Ostrich bag that matches the cream headtube fairly well. haven't 
>>> come up with cream colored cables yet.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] WTB 1 1/8" threadless stem 25.4mm clamp

[Justin Kennedy (Brooklyn, NY)]

Hi everybody, I'm looking for a 1 1/8" threadless stem w/ 25.4mm clamp, 
preferably some length (90-120mm), and some rise/drop angle. Condition 
isn't terribly important as it's going on a beater Xtracycle conversion 
bike I keep on the street for transporting the kid around. 

Would also solicit recommendations for a new budget-option stem. Are the 
$35-40 VO or Soma stems decent? Mostly city commuting, no off roads or 
trails.

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: My Custom Rivendell

[lconley]

These days, the decal has clear coat on top.

Laing

On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 11:46:29 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> "I have been hanging bikes from the seat tube for years with no ill 
> effects because:"
>
> The risk (to me) is the seat tube decal.  If somebody moves the frame in 
> the clamp, the decal can get smeared.  When you are all alone in a workshop 
> that's all on you, and I'm sure you are careful.  Some of us have worked at 
> bike shops and more than once, I'd clamp a bike that way and another 
> coworker would squeeze past and shift the bike and wreck a customer's seat 
> tube decal.  That's not my coworker's fault.  That's my fault for clamping 
> over the decal.  
>
> Just be careful.  It would be a shame to smear the decal on such a lovely 
> machine.  :)
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 6:20:58 AM UTC-8, lconley wrote:
>>
>> The frame angles are supposed to be 72 deg seat tube and 71.5 deg head 
>> tube. The top tube angle is 6 deg.
>>
>> Not sure how much head tube extension there is - somewhere around an 
>> inch. The steerer tube is threaded and I will fill whatever gap is not 
>> taken up by the brake cable hanger with spacers - probably slip an orange 
>> one in there somewhere. The brake cable hanger and 29.8 seat post shown are 
>> temporary. I have a Paul Funky Monkey front hanger on the way as well as a 
>> 30.0 seat post. I am going to use a MT-10 100 mm 25.4 Dirt Drop stem, 225 
>> mm long for the initial setup with Rene Herse 460 mm Randonneur handlebars. 
>> The long stem will allow me to get the bars up where I want them without 
>> getting the stem expander into the threads. I am just shy of my 64th 
>> birthday, so slammed stems are a thing of the past. I have been riding drop 
>> bars for about 49 years and like the variety of hand positions available. I 
>> am looking forward to being able to use the dirt drop stem and not having 
>> the tradition "7" shaped stem poke me in the gut when I am stopped and 
>> standing over the top tube.
>>
>> I got a 27.2 to 30.0 seat post spacer yesterday so I can hang by a 
>> 27.2 seat post now for those who worry about such things. I have been 
>> hanging bikes from the seat tube for years with no ill effects because:
>> 1. I don't over tighten the clamp
>> 2. I keep the clamp grip surface clean
>> 3. On Paramounts and Rivendells you cannot hang by the top tube due to 
>> the off-center brake cable placement [note that the custom has a centered 
>> brake cable (so does the Frank Jones Sr.)]
>> 4. Due to my long torso and short legs, I tend to ride frames that are 
>> too tall for me to get a longer top tube, thus there is not enough 
>> seat post exposed to clamp.
>>
>> I have 20+ bikes including 10+ Rivendells and have fenders and racks and 
>> triple cranks, etc. on many. I wanted the clean look of naked forks, seat 
>> stays and dropouts from the racing bikes of my younger days. I describe the 
>> bike as a old, fat man's racing bike. Grant would not allow me to chrome 
>> the forks and stays or even the dropout faces. Fenders don't do much good 
>> in Florida when it rains anyway. I have saddlebag and handle bar bags when 
>> I need to carry stuff. And yes, I must confess to having plaid matching 
>> Nigel Smythe bags. I even have a tiny center pull mounted rack with a ecru 
>> colored Ostrich bag that matches the cream headtube fairly well. haven't 
>> come up with cream colored cables yet.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: My Custom Rivendell

[Bill Lindsay]

"I have been hanging bikes from the seat tube for years with no ill effects 
because:"

The risk (to me) is the seat tube decal.  If somebody moves the frame in 
the clamp, the decal can get smeared.  When you are all alone in a workshop 
that's all on you, and I'm sure you are careful.  Some of us have worked at 
bike shops and more than once, I'd clamp a bike that way and another 
coworker would squeeze past and shift the bike and wreck a customer's seat 
tube decal.  That's not my coworker's fault.  That's my fault for clamping 
over the decal.  

Just be careful.  It would be a shame to smear the decal on such a lovely 
machine.  :)

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 6:20:58 AM UTC-8, lconley wrote:
>
> The frame angles are supposed to be 72 deg seat tube and 71.5 deg head 
> tube. The top tube angle is 6 deg.
>
> Not sure how much head tube extension there is - somewhere around an inch. 
> The steerer tube is threaded and I will fill whatever gap is not taken up 
> by the brake cable hanger with spacers - probably slip an orange one in 
> there somewhere. The brake cable hanger and 29.8 seat post shown are 
> temporary. I have a Paul Funky Monkey front hanger on the way as well as a 
> 30.0 seat post. I am going to use a MT-10 100 mm 25.4 Dirt Drop stem, 225 
> mm long for the initial setup with Rene Herse 460 mm Randonneur handlebars. 
> The long stem will allow me to get the bars up where I want them without 
> getting the stem expander into the threads. I am just shy of my 64th 
> birthday, so slammed stems are a thing of the past. I have been riding drop 
> bars for about 49 years and like the variety of hand positions available. I 
> am looking forward to being able to use the dirt drop stem and not having 
> the tradition "7" shaped stem poke me in the gut when I am stopped and 
> standing over the top tube.
>
> I got a 27.2 to 30.0 seat post spacer yesterday so I can hang by a 
> 27.2 seat post now for those who worry about such things. I have been 
> hanging bikes from the seat tube for years with no ill effects because:
> 1. I don't over tighten the clamp
> 2. I keep the clamp grip surface clean
> 3. On Paramounts and Rivendells you cannot hang by the top tube due to the 
> off-center brake cable placement [note that the custom has a centered brake 
> cable (so does the Frank Jones Sr.)]
> 4. Due to my long torso and short legs, I tend to ride frames that are too 
> tall for me to get a longer top tube, thus there is not enough seat post 
> exposed to clamp.
>
> I have 20+ bikes including 10+ Rivendells and have fenders and racks and 
> triple cranks, etc. on many. I wanted the clean look of naked forks, seat 
> stays and dropouts from the racing bikes of my younger days. I describe the 
> bike as a old, fat man's racing bike. Grant would not allow me to chrome 
> the forks and stays or even the dropout faces. Fenders don't do much good 
> in Florida when it rains anyway. I have saddlebag and handle bar bags when 
> I need to carry stuff. And yes, I must confess to having plaid matching 
> Nigel Smythe bags. I even have a tiny center pull mounted rack with a ecru 
> colored Ostrich bag that matches the cream headtube fairly well. haven't 
> come up with cream colored cables yet.
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My Custom Rivendell

[Chris L]

Can't wait to see this built up!

If I did a custom Rivendell, it would be similar.  Stripped down, stout 
frameset with a long top tube.  The major differences would be cantilever 
studs and much shorter chainstays.  



On Monday, March 2, 2020 at 1:25:03 PM UTC-6, lconley wrote:
>
> My custom arrived last Wednesday.
>
> I have been slowly assembling it, but first I weighed it and the coated 
> the inside of the tubes with Boeshield.
>
> Not only did I want a custom, I need a custom. I am 6' tall with an 83 PBH 
> and weigh 280 lbs. No more extra long stems and setback seat posts on this 
> one.
>
> The seat tube is 53 C-to-top, the effective top tube is 60 C-to-C as best 
> I can measure. All of the frame tubes are 31.8 OD. The chains stays are 55. 
> I specified no provisions for fenders or racks and there are none - no 
> dropout eyelets, no fork or stay fittings, no mounting holes in the chain 
> stay or seat stay bridges. There are Rene Herse centerpull brake braze-ons.
>
> The frame (bare except for seat binder bolt and rear brake adjuster in the 
> seat stay mounted cable stop) weighs 5 lb. 13 oz. and the fork weighs 29.2 
> oz. for a total weight of 7 lb. 10 oz. The IRD bottom roller bearing 
> headset weighs 4.2 oz. for an assembled frame and fork of 7 lb. 10 oz. This 
> is less than 1 lb. heavier than my 56 cm 1971 Gitane Tour de France - a 
> classic Reynolds 531 racing bike.
>
> One surprise was the 30.0 seat post - not an easy item to find in silver 
> and I really don't want to use an adapter long term. I found an NOS 
> Campagnolo Icarus 30.0 seat post from the early 90s in silver. Just have to 
> wait for it to get here from Italy.
>
> I need get to work on building the wheels - 650B.
>
> [image: IMG_0558.jpg]
>
> Derailleurs are Campagnolo Athena 11s because they are silver, the front 
> derailleur has an integral clamp that fits the seat tube with no spacer and 
> NOS units were very available at very reasonable prices. Crank is a Rene 
> Herse 11 speed, 26-42 and the rear cassette will be a 12-28 Dura Ace 11 sp. 
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Chris L]

Nice!

I always really enjoy seeing Riv's with regular flat bars, instead of the 
pullbacks that most have.  



On Tuesday, March 3, 2020 at 8:58:52 AM UTC-6, Reid Echols wrote:
>
> Well, naturally I can’t resist a chance to post Ol’ Blue. Newly shod with 
> Cliffhangers and Thunder Burts these days and still riding more like a 
> sloop than a schooner. 
>
> Reid in Austin

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[RBW] Re: FS:Handsome Cycles Cromoly She Devil 55cm Anthracite Mixte New Tange headset Sugino BB Riv like

['hobie' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Price Drop. $475.00 shipped and black seat collar not shown in pictures. 
Would make an excellent city commuter bike w/o the bling of a high end Riv. 

On Sunday, February 23, 2020 at 12:37:18 PM UTC-5, hobie wrote:
>
> Bought this new back in August. Handsome Cycles 4130 Cromoly She Devil 
> 55cm Anthracite Mixte step thru. It has a new Tange Seiki Terious headset 
> installed, and a new Sugino CBBF 110mm square Taper bottom bracket 
> installed. I was going to add a Sugino RD2 but have since decided to sell. 
> Comes w. decals that have yet to be installed and the rear adjustment 
> screws for the horizontal dropouts. The spacing is 132.5mm rear, front 
> 100mm. See pictures. Very nice clean asthetic and paint job. Handsome 
> Cycles is a big fan of  Grant Petersen's philosphy.Asking $500.00 shipped 
> in original box See Handsome Cycles website. 
> https://handsomecycles.com/products/she-devil-frameset
>

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[RBW] Re: My Custom Rivendell

[RonaTD]

I don’t know which to admire more ... the bike or the workshop !

Laing - your taste and mine in bikes appear to be very closely aligned. 
Please let us know how well the Compass centerpull brakes clear the 48mm 
tires (I’m concerned about getting the tire through them when installing 
the wheel.)

[image: IMG_0558.jpg]

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[RBW] Re: Appaloosa Presale

[Bill F]

Thanks!

All of the accolades for Riv's comfort and handling are not overstated, the 
ride is amazing.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 650B Nobilette Protovelo & Bruce Gordon Custom Road

[S. Greco]

Bump, price adjustments. Open to offers.

Bruce Gordon : $1400 with drops / $1600 with both cockpits

Rivendell Protovelo : $1900 for frame/fork/headset/bottom 
bracket/wheelset/cantilevers

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[RBW] Re: FS: 650B Nobilette Protovelo & Bruce Gordon Custom Road

[S. Greco]

Bump, price adjustments. Open to offers.

Bruce Gordon : $1400 with drops / $1600 with both cockpits

Rivendell Protovelo : $1900 for frame/fork/headset/bottom bracket/wheelset


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[RBW] Re: My Custom Rivendell

[lconley]

The frame angles are supposed to be 72 deg seat tube and 71.5 deg head 
tube. The top tube angle is 6 deg.

Not sure how much head tube extension there is - somewhere around an inch. 
The steerer tube is threaded and I will fill whatever gap is not taken up 
by the brake cable hanger with spacers - probably slip an orange one in 
there somewhere. The brake cable hanger and 29.8 seat post shown are 
temporary. I have a Paul Funky Monkey front hanger on the way as well as a 
30.0 seat post. I am going to use a MT-10 100 mm 25.4 Dirt Drop stem, 225 
mm long for the initial setup with Rene Herse 460 mm Randonneur handlebars. 
The long stem will allow me to get the bars up where I want them without 
getting the stem expander into the threads. I am just shy of my 64th 
birthday, so slammed stems are a thing of the past. I have been riding drop 
bars for about 49 years and like the variety of hand positions available. I 
am looking forward to being able to use the dirt drop stem and not having 
the tradition "7" shaped stem poke me in the gut when I am stopped and 
standing over the top tube.

I got a 27.2 to 30.0 seat post spacer yesterday so I can hang by a 
27.2 seat post now for those who worry about such things. I have been 
hanging bikes from the seat tube for years with no ill effects because:
1. I don't over tighten the clamp
2. I keep the clamp grip surface clean
3. On Paramounts and Rivendells you cannot hang by the top tube due to the 
off-center brake cable placement [note that the custom has a centered brake 
cable (so does the Frank Jones Sr.)]
4. Due to my long torso and short legs, I tend to ride frames that are too 
tall for me to get a longer top tube, thus there is not enough seat post 
exposed to clamp.

I have 20+ bikes including 10+ Rivendells and have fenders and racks and 
triple cranks, etc. on many. I wanted the clean look of naked forks, seat 
stays and dropouts from the racing bikes of my younger days. I describe the 
bike as a old, fat man's racing bike. Grant would not allow me to chrome 
the forks and stays or even the dropout faces. Fenders don't do much good 
in Florida when it rains anyway. I have saddlebag and handle bar bags when 
I need to carry stuff. And yes, I must confess to having plaid matching 
Nigel Smythe bags. I even have a tiny center pull mounted rack with a ecru 
colored Ostrich bag that matches the cream headtube fairly well. haven't 
come up with cream colored cables yet.

Laing
Delray Beach FL

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[RBW] Re: My Custom Rivendell

[Rob Kristoff]

Laing, 
gorgeous custom and I love the use of Campy. I'm interested to hear why you 
chose to not have any rack or fender mounting. Weight? Weatherproofing?

Rob

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS Musette, Messenger Bags, Leather Tool Bag

[Matt Hampton]

Craig,

I sent via PayPal yesterday. Still shows as pending to cmontgomer...@cox.com.
Please check on your side.

Thanks,
Matt

On Tue, Mar 3, 2020 at 8:41 AM Craig Montgomery 
wrote:

> Matt,
>  Did you get my offlist reply? Haven't heard from you.
>
> Craig in Tucson
>
> On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 8:47:59 AM UTC-7, Matt H wrote:
>>
>> Hey, I'll take that Billykirk off your hands for $25. PayPal OK?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Matt
>>
>> On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 10:30:32 AM UTC-5, Craig Montgomery wrote:
>>>
>>> Bump and price drop $5 on each item. The musette is gone.
>>>
>>> Craig in Tucson
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 2:34:07 PM UTC-7, Craig Montgomery
>>> wrote:

 Have to rejuvenate bike funds. All bags are in excellent structural
 shape. Posted to iBooB and 650B.

 Strawfoot Musette-waxed canvas. Not used by me. Just hanging around.
 $30 shipped.

  https://strawfoothandmade.com/products/cycling-musette

 Timbuk2 Classic Messenger. XS. Suffers from "use dirt" but easily
 cleanable if you're of the mind. Needed something larger. The book is
 Clifford Graves' *Frontline Surgeons.* 10"x 7"x 1 1/2"  You don't get
 the book. $25 shipped


 https://www.timbuk2.com/collections/all-messenger-bags/products/1108-classic-messenger-bag

 Timbuk2 TSF13-believe this is discontinued but it's like their Sling
 model in size. Worn 2 or 3 times. It's longer and and narrower than
 standard messenger. $25 shipped.


 https://www.timbuk2.com/collections/all-messenger-bags/products/1265-catapult-sling-20?variant=31311053324330

 Billykirk Frame Bag/Pack-high in "cool" quotient. Big enough for basic
 tool kit or doodahs. Can stuff a 700c x 28/32 tube in there along with
 patch kit. Never used but shelf wear. $30 shipped.


 https://www.billykirk.com/collections/bike-accessories/products/no-211-bike-pouch-black

 Craig in Tucson

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[RBW] Re: FS Musette, Messenger Bags, Leather Tool Bag

[Craig Montgomery]

Matt, 
 Did you get my offlist reply? Haven't heard from you. 

Craig in Tucson

On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 8:47:59 AM UTC-7, Matt H wrote:
>
> Hey, I'll take that Billykirk off your hands for $25. PayPal OK?
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>
> On Sunday, March 1, 2020 at 10:30:32 AM UTC-5, Craig Montgomery wrote:
>>
>> Bump and price drop $5 on each item. The musette is gone.
>>
>> Craig in Tucson
>>
>> On Thursday, February 27, 2020 at 2:34:07 PM UTC-7, Craig Montgomery 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Have to rejuvenate bike funds. All bags are in excellent structural 
>>> shape. Posted to iBooB and 650B. 
>>>
>>> Strawfoot Musette-waxed canvas. Not used by me. Just hanging around. $30 
>>> shipped. 
>>>
>>>  https://strawfoothandmade.com/products/cycling-musette
>>>
>>> Timbuk2 Classic Messenger. XS. Suffers from "use dirt" but easily 
>>> cleanable if you're of the mind. Needed something larger. The book is 
>>> Clifford Graves' *Frontline Surgeons.* 10"x 7"x 1 1/2"  You don't get 
>>> the book. $25 shipped
>>>
>>>  
>>> https://www.timbuk2.com/collections/all-messenger-bags/products/1108-classic-messenger-bag
>>>
>>> Timbuk2 TSF13-believe this is discontinued but it's like their Sling 
>>> model in size. Worn 2 or 3 times. It's longer and and narrower than 
>>> standard messenger. $25 shipped.
>>>
>>>  
>>> https://www.timbuk2.com/collections/all-messenger-bags/products/1265-catapult-sling-20?variant=31311053324330
>>>
>>> Billykirk Frame Bag/Pack-high in "cool" quotient. Big enough for basic 
>>> tool kit or doodahs. Can stuff a 700c x 28/32 tube in there along with 
>>> patch kit. Never used but shelf wear. $30 shipped. 
>>>
>>>  
>>> https://www.billykirk.com/collections/bike-accessories/products/no-211-bike-pouch-black
>>>
>>> Craig in Tucson
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: My Custom Rivendell

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Laing

Great report and very nice looking custom.  3 questions:
* What are the frame angles?
* How much head tube extension is there?  Looks like more than 1"
* Are you cutting the steerer tube flush at the top or are you going to 
extend the steerer tube and use spacers?

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem Inventory

[Doug Hansford]

I appreciate the info Keith. 
Doug

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 2, 2020, at 11:14 PM, 'Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> I talked to Vince today and mid-May is the expected time for Clems. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Mar 1, 2020, at 4:26 PM, Doug Hansford  wrote:
>>> 
>> I’ll do that. Thank you, Keith. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Mar 1, 2020, at 5:47 PM, 'Keith Swanson' via RBW Owners Bunch 
  wrote:
 
>>> 
>>> When I bought mine they told me the next opportunity would be mid-March or 
>>> so.  Email Spencer and ask.  He seems to be quickest with email responses.
>>> 
 On Saturday, February 29, 2020 at 3:13:08 PM UTC-8, DHans wrote:
 I could call Riv and ask but I thought I’d check here first. Does anyone 
 know when they will have the Clem L completes or frames back in stock? 
 Doug
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