Re: [RBW] Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Joe Bernard]

A Thing I'm Not Sure I Ought To Have Known and Definitely Still Don't:

Why a lot of those '90s vans came with those graphics. Someone said, "Whelp, 
there's sure a lot of space there. A racing stripe makes sense." *

*it did not make sense

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Re: [RBW] Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Evan E.]

When I got my first bike, as a grownup, after not riding at all since 
childhood, I oiled my chain with Phil Tenacious Oil. Because that’s the only 
oil I had. And then I left the oil on the chain. Because that’s what you do, 
right? So why, one week later, was there goo and grit all over my chain and 
rear derailleur pulleys?

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Re: [RBW] Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Leah Peterson]

I just got back from 14 miles of fun. You all have never LIVED until you’ve had 
air in your tires. I soared up the hills. I shook my teeth loose bombing down 
the hills! Did you all ride horses growing up? I rode my bucking Clem all over 
these trails and I did not fall off, not even once.

Fine, Steve and DP, you guys are a little right - I could let some air out. 
That bike really rattled on the way down Killer Hill, and I could feel the 
grips jumping around trying to shake loose of my hands. But come on, it was 
FUN. Have *you* ever ridden your bucking Clem around *your* neighborhood? No, 
you haven’t, because you insist on sensible tire pressures and supple tires and 
miss out on all the fun.

Ian - hilarious and so relatable. I’m laughing with you, not at you. Also, you 
are the only one who’s offered an Admission of A Thing You Ought To Have Known. 
Gold star!

Andrew - thank you; that’s so nice. ☺️ You can stay.

Joe - YOU THINK I WAS BORN IN THE 70S?!? There was no 70s station wagon - there 
was a sweet 90s GMC Safari van with the inexplicable maroon striping down the 
sides that I called “our racing stripes.” It had cup holders. It was slick. 
Also, Joe is right about the roads here - they’re nice.

Steve was today years old when he learned not to guess at a woman’s weight.

Leah






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> On May 4, 2020, at 8:47 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> "You are a good writer, Leah.  Thanks for the air story.  I enjoyed it.  
> Andy"
> 
> I love dad hauling the bikes to the gas station for their annual airing up. I 
> can picture the truck pulling up (actually it's a giant late-'70s station 
> wagon in my mind, but probably a truck), the whole scene. She's very good at 
> putting you in the world of the story. 
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[RBW] FS: handelbars in Bay Area

[Doug Bloch]

Apologies for the cross posting.

I haven’t been on any of the boards in a long time, but this pandemic affords 
me the opportunity to do some spring cleaning.

So in no particular order, here we go:

Gran Bois Maes Parallel bars - 42cm - $50
3ttt bars and .65 mm 3ttt Record stem - $45
Soma Lauterwasser Cr.Mo - $25
2 Nitto NJS Cr.Mo. Bars - $30 for the pair

Or take them all for $120!

Will throw in the beat up Sakae Randonneur and 3ttt bars for free if you 
purchase them all. Otherwise they are going to the co-op.

Pics here: https://imgur.com/gallery/Yxb2AP9 

Local pick up in Alameda, California only please.

Thanks,

Doug Bloch
Alameda CA USA

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Re: [RBW] Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Joe Bernard]

"You are a good writer, Leah.  Thanks for the air story.  I enjoyed it.  Andy"

I love dad hauling the bikes to the gas station for their annual airing up. I 
can picture the truck pulling up (actually it's a giant late-'70s station wagon 
in my mind, but probably a truck), the whole scene. She's very good at putting 
you in the world of the story. 

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Re: [RBW] Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[ANDREW ERMAN]

You are a good writer, Leah.  Thanks for the air story.  I enjoyed it.  Andy

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 6:41 PM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I nearly talked myself out of this thread because I’m about to make myself
> look really stupid, but it was so funny that I’m doing it anyway.
>
> I’ve been somewhat of a mess my whole Biking Life. I adored bikes, always,
> but I never had a proper bike education or a nice bike until 2012. I was
> born to the least mechanically-inclined parents on earth, and my mom was
> more proficient than my dad. I grew up riding the worst bike you can
> imagine, always with nearly-flat tires. Maybe once a year, usually in
> spring, Dad would haul my bike to the gas station and fill the tires with
> air. It was like riding on clouds. But eventually, my tires would lose air
> again and I’d have to wait until next year. Not that I’d notice anything
> was amiss - I was too busy riding barefoot all over small town North
> Dakota, falling out of trees, eating penny candy from the bowling alley and
> building forts. Tires, what tires.
>
> I grew up, went to college, met and married my husband, who grew up on a
> farm. We moved across the country with almost nothing and started our life
> and careers. My farmer father-in-law came to visit and outfitted our garage
> with tools he thought mandatory, including an air compressor. I think it
> was my 27th birthday that my husband told me he wanted to get me a bike. I
> knew just the one, it was *really* expensive at $125, but it was my
> birthday and I would get the best: A blue Schwinn Sidewinder from the local
> Walmart.
>
> While he was visiting, my FIL (again, a farmer and not a bike rider)
> noticed my bike tires were pathetically low. Of course I hadn’t noticed;
> flat tires were de rigueur for me! He filled them with the air compressor,
> pushed on the tire and declared it good. And from then on, that was how I
> did it.
>
> I’ve heard you all talk about your supple tires and not wanting them rock
> hard, and I knew *I* had supple tires because when I squeezed them, there
> was a tiny but perceptible give to the rubber. I mean, that’s what you all
> meant, right? So I made sure I never filled my tires very fully because
> supple tires were the ticket.
>
> I ended up with a floor pump last year. It has a gauge that tells you “how
> much pressure you runnin’”. I have started using it lately and began to pay
> attention to what my tire pressure was. 20-25. Huh. I remember folks
> discussing tire pressure and I didn’t recall theirs being so low. So, I
> asked Joe, who seems to answer most of the questions on the List and
> doesn’t seem to resent it. He (through fits of laughter at his keyboard,
> I’m sure) said that yes, I actually should be pumping up my tires to a
> certain number and that yes, they would feel rock hard, and no, squeezing
> them is not a good test, and indeed I would not explode my Big Bens (with
> max psi of 70) if I filled them to 55 psi.
>
> I was today years old when I learned that your tires are *supposed* to
> feel rock hard and be filled to an actual number. I was today years old
> when I learned that my “supple tires” were just tires that were low on air.
>
> Who else has managed to miss the obvious when it comes to bike stuff?
>
> Leah, who would like you to know she is smart at other things. Just not
> bike things.
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[RBW] Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Ian A]

Good thread, Leah

I ought to have known that I should have gone looking for some scissors instead 
of using a large, heavy knife to trim a zip tie. I'd modified a  bell in order 
to zip tie it to a 1 1/8 steerer. The zip tie put up some resistance so when 
the knife finally made it through, it continued at some velocity into the 
bike's top tube. 

I then felt the need to sand off the paint in the affected area, examine the 
damage, sand the metal around the dent (or cut?) in the metal to avoid future a 
stress riser. Then attempted a paint touch up, which just looked terrible, 
until I finally just put some reflective tape on and shamefully called it a 
night.

Sometimes I wonder about myself. The more I learn the less I find I know.

Re: Steve's comment; I think he was referring to the estimated combined weight 
of you, your bike and the impressive loads you at times carry. Pressuring up 
for the heaviest scenario, so to speak.

IanA Alberta Canada

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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Joe Bernard]

Well I'm going to disagree to a degree. For the mostly smooth terrain Leah 
rides and the Killer Hill™ she climbs to get home, I can't see 30-40 psi being 
anything but drag for her. She can certainly experiment with pressures and 55 
may be a bit much, but she's not riding terrible roads and dirt. 

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[RBW] Re: Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Leah, you may not be as far off with your finger test as you think (yes, 
your understanding of supple tire was off). The weight of the rider plays a 
big part. My daughters on their 2.1" tires run 20-30 psi just fine. Me, the 
200 lb ogre, need 35-40 psi. So, to Steve's point, you don't want to run 
50-55mm tires much above 30-40 psi if you want a good ride. As long as 
you're not bouncing with every pedal stroke or pinch flatting on rocks, 
roots, or curbs, you can run tires pretty low just fine.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 7:41:14 PM UTC-6, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> I nearly talked myself out of this thread because I’m about to make myself 
> look really stupid, but it was so funny that I’m doing it anyway. 
>
> I’ve been somewhat of a mess my whole Biking Life. I adored bikes, always, 
> but I never had a proper bike education or a nice bike until 2012. I was 
> born to the least mechanically-inclined parents on earth, and my mom was 
> more proficient than my dad. I grew up riding the worst bike you can 
> imagine, always with nearly-flat tires. Maybe once a year, usually in 
> spring, Dad would haul my bike to the gas station and fill the tires with 
> air. It was like riding on clouds. But eventually, my tires would lose air 
> again and I’d have to wait until next year. Not that I’d notice anything 
> was amiss - I was too busy riding barefoot all over small town North 
> Dakota, falling out of trees, eating penny candy from the bowling alley and 
> building forts. Tires, what tires. 
>
> I grew up, went to college, met and married my husband, who grew up on a 
> farm. We moved across the country with almost nothing and started our life 
> and careers. My farmer father-in-law came to visit and outfitted our garage 
> with tools he thought mandatory, including an air compressor. I think it 
> was my 27th birthday that my husband told me he wanted to get me a bike. I 
> knew just the one, it was *really* expensive at $125, but it was my 
> birthday and I would get the best: A blue Schwinn Sidewinder from the local 
> Walmart. 
>
> While he was visiting, my FIL (again, a farmer and not a bike rider) 
> noticed my bike tires were pathetically low. Of course I hadn’t noticed; 
> flat tires were de rigueur for me! He filled them with the air compressor, 
> pushed on the tire and declared it good. And from then on, that was how I 
> did it. 
>
> I’ve heard you all talk about your supple tires and not wanting them rock 
> hard, and I knew *I* had supple tires because when I squeezed them, there 
> was a tiny but perceptible give to the rubber. I mean, that’s what you all 
> meant, right? So I made sure I never filled my tires very fully because 
> supple tires were the ticket. 
>
> I ended up with a floor pump last year. It has a gauge that tells you “how 
> much pressure you runnin’”. I have started using it lately and began to pay 
> attention to what my tire pressure was. 20-25. Huh. I remember folks 
> discussing tire pressure and I didn’t recall theirs being so low. So, I 
> asked Joe, who seems to answer most of the questions on the List and 
> doesn’t seem to resent it. He (through fits of laughter at his keyboard, 
> I’m sure) said that yes, I actually should be pumping up my tires to a 
> certain number and that yes, they would feel rock hard, and no, squeezing 
> them is not a good test, and indeed I would not explode my Big Bens (with 
> max psi of 70) if I filled them to 55 psi. 
>
> I was today years old when I learned that your tires are *supposed* to 
> feel rock hard and be filled to an actual number. I was today years old 
> when I learned that my “supple tires” were just tires that were low on air. 
>
> Who else has managed to miss the obvious when it comes to bike stuff? 
>
> Leah, who would like you to know she is smart at other things. Just not 
> bike things. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Leah Peterson]

Here’s what I got from that: You weigh 220 pounds, and you think I’m only 50 
lbs lighter than you? 

Yeah, you’re dead to me.
Leah

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> On May 4, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On 5/4/20 9:41 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>> I nearly talked myself out of this thread because I’m about to make myself 
>> look really stupid, but it was so funny that I’m doing it anyway.
>> 
>> I’ve been somewhat of a mess my whole Biking Life. I adored bikes, always, 
>> but I never had a proper bike education or a nice bike until 2012. I was 
>> born to the least mechanically-inclined parents on earth, and my mom was 
>> more proficient than my dad. I grew up riding the worst bike you can 
>> imagine, always with nearly-flat tires. Maybe once a year, usually in 
>> spring, Dad would haul my bike to the gas station and fill the tires with 
>> air. It was like riding on clouds. But eventually, my tires would lose air 
>> again and I’d have to wait until next year. Not that I’d notice anything was 
>> amiss - I was too busy riding barefoot all over small town North Dakota, 
>> falling out of trees, eating penny candy from the bowling alley and building 
>> forts. Tires, what tires.
>> 
>> I grew up, went to college, met and married my husband, who grew up on a 
>> farm. We moved across the country with almost nothing and started our life 
>> and careers. My farmer father-in-law came to visit and outfitted our garage 
>> with tools he thought mandatory, including an air compressor. I think it was 
>> my 27th birthday that my husband told me he wanted to get me a bike. I knew 
>> just the one, it was *really* expensive at $125, but it was my birthday and 
>> I would get the best: A blue Schwinn Sidewinder from the local Walmart.
>> 
>> While he was visiting, my FIL (again, a farmer and not a bike rider) noticed 
>> my bike tires were pathetically low. Of course I hadn’t noticed; flat tires 
>> were de rigueur for me! He filled them with the air compressor, pushed on 
>> the tire and declared it good. And from then on, that was how I did it.
>> 
>> I’ve heard you all talk about your supple tires and not wanting them rock 
>> hard, and I knew *I* had supple tires because when I squeezed them, there 
>> was a tiny but perceptible give to the rubber. I mean, that’s what you all 
>> meant, right? So I made sure I never filled my tires very fully because 
>> supple tires were the ticket.
>> 
>> I ended up with a floor pump last year. It has a gauge that tells you “how 
>> much pressure you runnin’”. I have started using it lately and began to pay 
>> attention to what my tire pressure was. 20-25. Huh. I remember folks 
>> discussing tire pressure and I didn’t recall theirs being so low. So, I 
>> asked Joe, who seems to answer most of the questions on the List and doesn’t 
>> seem to resent it. He (through fits of laughter at his keyboard, I’m sure) 
>> said that yes, I actually should be pumping up my tires to a certain number 
>> and that yes, they would feel rock hard, and no, squeezing them is not a 
>> good test, and indeed I would not explode my Big Bens (with max psi of 70) 
>> if I filled them to 55 psi.
> 
> 
> OK, let's deconstruct this a bit.  I looked them up: according to Schwalbe's 
> web site a Big Ben no matter the diameter is either a 50mm or a 55mm wide 
> tire.   As you know, pressure is related to load: the heavier the load, the 
> more pressure you need.  No different here from your car or truck.  I figure 
> I'm probably 50 lb heavier than you (100 kg after breakfast today) and I run 
> my 38mm 650B tires at 4 atmospheres, around 60 psi.  So if you at 75% of my 
> weight are running a tire that's maybe 15mm wider than mine and 5 psi less 
> than I am, I'd say chances are pretty good that you're inflating those tires 
> to a much higher pressure than you need to.  Chances are, if you reduce your 
> pressure to perhaps 40 or maybe even a few psi less than that, you'd get a 
> better ride. You'd probably have less rebound after hitting a pothole, too. 
> That's another -- quite dangerous -- downside to overinflating a wide tire: 
> it can rebound like a basketball, pulling the handlebars right out of your 
> hands.  I've got a jagged lump in my collar bone because of that.
> 
> 
>> 
>> I was today years old when I learned that your tires are *supposed* to feel 
>> rock hard and be filled to an actual number.
> 
> 
> Not a big wide tire like that.  Now sure, a 23mm tire at 100 psi is 
> definitely going to feel rock hard.  I can feel the (ultra supple EL casing) 
> sidewalls on my Herse Loup Loup Pass tires give when I squeeze them.
> 
> 
>>  I was today years old when I learned that my “supple tires” were just tires 
>> that were low on air.
>> 
>> Who else has managed to miss the obvious when it comes to bike stuff?
>> 
>> Leah, who would like you to know she is smart at other things. Just not bike 
>> things.
>> 
> -- 
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia
> USA
> 

Re: [RBW] Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Steve Palincsar]

On 5/4/20 9:41 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

I nearly talked myself out of this thread because I’m about to make myself look 
really stupid, but it was so funny that I’m doing it anyway.

I’ve been somewhat of a mess my whole Biking Life. I adored bikes, always, but 
I never had a proper bike education or a nice bike until 2012. I was born to 
the least mechanically-inclined parents on earth, and my mom was more 
proficient than my dad. I grew up riding the worst bike you can imagine, always 
with nearly-flat tires. Maybe once a year, usually in spring, Dad would haul my 
bike to the gas station and fill the tires with air. It was like riding on 
clouds. But eventually, my tires would lose air again and I’d have to wait 
until next year. Not that I’d notice anything was amiss - I was too busy riding 
barefoot all over small town North Dakota, falling out of trees, eating penny 
candy from the bowling alley and building forts. Tires, what tires.

I grew up, went to college, met and married my husband, who grew up on a farm. 
We moved across the country with almost nothing and started our life and 
careers. My farmer father-in-law came to visit and outfitted our garage with 
tools he thought mandatory, including an air compressor. I think it was my 27th 
birthday that my husband told me he wanted to get me a bike. I knew just the 
one, it was *really* expensive at $125, but it was my birthday and I would get 
the best: A blue Schwinn Sidewinder from the local Walmart.

While he was visiting, my FIL (again, a farmer and not a bike rider) noticed my 
bike tires were pathetically low. Of course I hadn’t noticed; flat tires were 
de rigueur for me! He filled them with the air compressor, pushed on the tire 
and declared it good. And from then on, that was how I did it.

I’ve heard you all talk about your supple tires and not wanting them rock hard, 
and I knew *I* had supple tires because when I squeezed them, there was a tiny 
but perceptible give to the rubber. I mean, that’s what you all meant, right? 
So I made sure I never filled my tires very fully because supple tires were the 
ticket.

I ended up with a floor pump last year. It has a gauge that tells you “how much 
pressure you runnin’”. I have started using it lately and began to pay 
attention to what my tire pressure was. 20-25. Huh. I remember folks discussing 
tire pressure and I didn’t recall theirs being so low. So, I asked Joe, who 
seems to answer most of the questions on the List and doesn’t seem to resent 
it. He (through fits of laughter at his keyboard, I’m sure) said that yes, I 
actually should be pumping up my tires to a certain number and that yes, they 
would feel rock hard, and no, squeezing them is not a good test, and indeed I 
would not explode my Big Bens (with max psi of 70) if I filled them to 55 psi.



OK, let's deconstruct this a bit.  I looked them up: according to 
Schwalbe's web site a Big Ben no matter the diameter is either a 50mm or 
a 55mm wide tire.   As you know, pressure is related to load: the 
heavier the load, the more pressure you need.  No different here from 
your car or truck.  I figure I'm probably 50 lb heavier than you (100 kg 
after breakfast today) and I run my 38mm 650B tires at 4 atmospheres, 
around 60 psi.  So if you at 75% of my weight are running a tire that's 
maybe 15mm wider than mine and 5 psi less than I am, I'd say chances are 
pretty good that you're inflating those tires to a much higher pressure 
than you need to.  Chances are, if you reduce your pressure to perhaps 
40 or maybe even a few psi less than that, you'd get a better ride. 
You'd probably have less rebound after hitting a pothole, too. That's 
another -- quite dangerous -- downside to overinflating a wide tire: it 
can rebound like a basketball, pulling the handlebars right out of your 
hands.  I've got a jagged lump in my collar bone because of that.





I was today years old when I learned that your tires are *supposed* to feel 
rock hard and be filled to an actual number.



Not a big wide tire like that.  Now sure, a 23mm tire at 100 psi is 
definitely going to feel rock hard.  I can feel the (ultra supple EL 
casing) sidewalls on my Herse Loup Loup Pass tires give when I squeeze them.




  I was today years old when I learned that my “supple tires” were just tires 
that were low on air.

Who else has managed to miss the obvious when it comes to bike stuff?

Leah, who would like you to know she is smart at other things. Just not bike 
things.


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Alexandria, Virginia
USA

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[RBW] Re: Let's Get Claudia Lopez an El Clem

[Mark Roland]

I would not make such assumptions. It's a Bogota branded bicycle. Obviously 
some manufacturer convinced the city that shocks and discs and flat bars 
make sense on a city bike. Because that's what they want to sell. Fashion. 
Whether or not the mayor is a gonzo mountain biker is completely unknown.

Regarding looks, my latest El Clem elicits unsolicited appreciation from 
most who see it. The Bogota bike looks indistinguishable from 100 other 
bikes available at Walmart, Target, Amazon or your local bike shop. Other 
than the city branding, I doubt most would see much noteworthy about it. 
Would be fun to do a test. Two people cruise around various locales. One on 
a Clem L one on a Magna MTB with shocks and discs. See which bike gets the 
most commentary.

Under a good rider, the only real issue with the Clem on the same trails as 
the Bogota in terms of keeping up would be the lower bottom bracket height. 
I actually found my Clem better both climbing and descending steep, 
difficult fire road than my Jones SWB. I would choose a Clem 100 times out 
of 100 over that fancy boinger. Because it's a better bike for 99% of the 
stuff humans will do on a bike. Most likely, and here I make an assumption, 
because, 99% is in my favor, including Claudia Lopez. I rest my case.

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 4:51:31 PM UTC-4, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> In the context of riding only the streets indicated in the article, 
> totally agree that the pictured mountain bike doesn't make sense.  I was 
> assuming, if it's her bike, that she does ride trails on it. My point was 
> the intended purpose of that bicycle is quite different than the Clem, and 
> when used for that purpose, it would perform much better.  I know that 
> technical trail riding at faster speeds is not a popular pastime of this 
> group, but again if that was her bike, which was my assumption, I have to 
> assume she does. Otherwise yes, it is indeed totally the wrong bike for the 
> job.
>
> It is an interesting topic regarding fashion, since there are a lot of 
> people who will feel the Clem is dramatically better looking and there are 
> also a lot of other people who will consider the mountain bike dramatically 
> better looking.  I doubt there is much overlap, haha! 
>

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[RBW] Re: Atlas stout enough rim for Gus/Susie?

[Philip Williamson]

Thanks for the info on the Todestrieb rims. That’s what I was going to build 
with for my Fitz, but then I bought a White/SON set with Dyads on the list 
here. If I do get Todestriebs, I’ll use your 597 ERD measurement.

My German-speaking friend turned me on to the Todestrieb rims - he was amused 
no end by the name.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA

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[RBW] Admissions of Things You Ought to Have Known But Did Not: A Thread

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I nearly talked myself out of this thread because I’m about to make myself look 
really stupid, but it was so funny that I’m doing it anyway. 

I’ve been somewhat of a mess my whole Biking Life. I adored bikes, always, but 
I never had a proper bike education or a nice bike until 2012. I was born to 
the least mechanically-inclined parents on earth, and my mom was more 
proficient than my dad. I grew up riding the worst bike you can imagine, always 
with nearly-flat tires. Maybe once a year, usually in spring, Dad would haul my 
bike to the gas station and fill the tires with air. It was like riding on 
clouds. But eventually, my tires would lose air again and I’d have to wait 
until next year. Not that I’d notice anything was amiss - I was too busy riding 
barefoot all over small town North Dakota, falling out of trees, eating penny 
candy from the bowling alley and building forts. Tires, what tires. 

I grew up, went to college, met and married my husband, who grew up on a farm. 
We moved across the country with almost nothing and started our life and 
careers. My farmer father-in-law came to visit and outfitted our garage with 
tools he thought mandatory, including an air compressor. I think it was my 27th 
birthday that my husband told me he wanted to get me a bike. I knew just the 
one, it was *really* expensive at $125, but it was my birthday and I would get 
the best: A blue Schwinn Sidewinder from the local Walmart. 

While he was visiting, my FIL (again, a farmer and not a bike rider) noticed my 
bike tires were pathetically low. Of course I hadn’t noticed; flat tires were 
de rigueur for me! He filled them with the air compressor, pushed on the tire 
and declared it good. And from then on, that was how I did it. 

I’ve heard you all talk about your supple tires and not wanting them rock hard, 
and I knew *I* had supple tires because when I squeezed them, there was a tiny 
but perceptible give to the rubber. I mean, that’s what you all meant, right? 
So I made sure I never filled my tires very fully because supple tires were the 
ticket.

I ended up with a floor pump last year. It has a gauge that tells you “how much 
pressure you runnin’”. I have started using it lately and began to pay 
attention to what my tire pressure was. 20-25. Huh. I remember folks discussing 
tire pressure and I didn’t recall theirs being so low. So, I asked Joe, who 
seems to answer most of the questions on the List and doesn’t seem to resent 
it. He (through fits of laughter at his keyboard, I’m sure) said that yes, I 
actually should be pumping up my tires to a certain number and that yes, they 
would feel rock hard, and no, squeezing them is not a good test, and indeed I 
would not explode my Big Bens (with max psi of 70) if I filled them to 55 psi. 

I was today years old when I learned that your tires are *supposed* to feel 
rock hard and be filled to an actual number. I was today years old when I 
learned that my “supple tires” were just tires that were low on air. 

Who else has managed to miss the obvious when it comes to bike stuff? 

Leah, who would like you to know she is smart at other things. Just not bike 
things. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS 52 Clem H complete

[Alex Applegate]

Ah rats! Well, congratulations, that is.

Let me/us know if it falls through!

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 2:08 PM Andrew Huston <
firsttolastinaninst...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Looks like I have a sale pending payment. Thanks !
>
>
> On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 4:02:38 PM UTC-4, Andrew Huston wrote:
>>
>> Boxed and ready to ship.
>>
>> Stock Clem H build from Rivendell, bike is in great shape.
>> Only changes made are Nitto Albatross bar, 90mm Technomic stem, and
>> Velocity Cliffhanger wheel set (XT hubs), VO post.
>> No saddle, grips or pedals
>> Could include Bullmoose bars as well for an additional $75
>> Asking $1250 plus shipping
>>
>> [image: IMG_4592.jpeg]
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[RBW] Re: FS 52 Clem H complete

[Andrew Huston]

Looks like I have a sale pending payment. Thanks !


On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 4:02:38 PM UTC-4, Andrew Huston wrote:
>
> Boxed and ready to ship. 
>
> Stock Clem H build from Rivendell, bike is in great shape.
> Only changes made are Nitto Albatross bar, 90mm Technomic stem, and 
> Velocity Cliffhanger wheel set (XT hubs), VO post.
> No saddle, grips or pedals
> Could include Bullmoose bars as well for an additional $75
> Asking $1250 plus shipping
>
> [image: IMG_4592.jpeg]
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Let's Get Claudia Lopez an El Clem

[Jason Fuller]

In the context of riding only the streets indicated in the article, totally 
agree that the pictured mountain bike doesn't make sense.  I was assuming, 
if it's her bike, that she does ride trails on it. My point was the 
intended purpose of that bicycle is quite different than the Clem, and when 
used for that purpose, it would perform much better.  I know that technical 
trail riding at faster speeds is not a popular pastime of this group, but 
again if that was her bike, which was my assumption, I have to assume she 
does. Otherwise yes, it is indeed totally the wrong bike for the job.

It is an interesting topic regarding fashion, since there are a lot of 
people who will feel the Clem is dramatically better looking and there are 
also a lot of other people who will consider the mountain bike dramatically 
better looking.  I doubt there is much overlap, haha! 

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[RBW] Re: Let's Get Claudia Lopez an El Clem

[Jason Fuller]

This thread reminds me how far off the "beaten path" this group really is, 
haha. That bike looks like a pretty decent mountain bike, and while I love 
to romanticize about the joys of a simple, capable bicycle as much as any 
Riv owner, telling someone they should give up their much-more-capable 
mountain bike for the timeless utility of the Clem seems outlandish. 
Certainly not everyone has the same tastes in fashion, and I'd say this 
applies just as much to bicycles. I have "save the rim brake" stickers on a 
couple of my bikes, but I also know that those disc brakes are MUCH more 
powerful on proper trails (I've ridden a lot of both, having been a 
mountain biker for 30 years).  My comments are only as serious as the OP's 
though.  

That all said, she should at least be aware of the Clem's existence so she 
can decide if it's of interest ;) 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Atlas stout enough rim for Gus/Susie?

[Mike Williams]

Hey Jason,  another rim to consider,  that falls in between the Atlas (19.8) 
and Cliffhanger(25) internal widths is Sun Ryno Lyte 700c.   I believe the 
internal width is 22mm(27 outside).  And they can usually be found for a pair 
for under which a single Velocity rim would cost.They’re not MUSA though.   
 They get fairly good reviews.   I’ve seen the weight listed at 590 grams for 
700c as well as 670 grams for 700c so I’m not too sure on the confirmed weight.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 4, 2020, at 2:27 PM, Jason Fuller  wrote:
> 
> 
> This has me seriously debating whether to go with Atlas or Cliffhangers on my 
> Clem wheelset; I might end up running Rat Trap Passes on it and maybe the 
> extra width will prevent the swirm that some have reported.  Or maybe the 
> Atlas is wide enough to address that.  I'll probably run Gravel King SK's 
> (2.1") but good to have the option. 
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[RBW] FS: New Shimano BR-R650 47 / 57 Brakeset

[Jock Dewey]

All:

These have been mounted once, and then quickly taken off. They fit exactly 
like the old ULTEGRA 47 / 57s and are beautifully finished, very nice 
brakes. The frame they were destined for has a rear brake bridge that 
fowled up my plans, doggone it. 

BTW, they are much nicer than the TEKTRO Quartz calipers on the bike, much 
stiffer and better looking IHMO.


I dropped $125 for the pair, shipped and taxed, will part with them for $90 
shipped. Paypal F & F.

Please rsvp offline. Thanks for looking.

BEST / Jock Dewey / Athens, GA

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[RBW] Re: Atlas stout enough rim for Gus/Susie?

[Jason Fuller]

This has me seriously debating whether to go with Atlas or Cliffhangers on 
my Clem wheelset; I might end up running Rat Trap Passes on it and maybe 
the extra width will prevent the swirm that some have reported.  Or maybe 
the Atlas is wide enough to address that.  I'll probably run Gravel King 
SK's (2.1") but good to have the option. 

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[RBW] Re: FS 52 Clem H complete

[Applegate]

I'm fairly certain I PM'd you, but I can't tell for certain! I'm interested 
in this bike on behalf of a friend who is yet to be approved for posting.
>From where are you shipping?

Alex Applegate

On Sunday, 3 May 2020 13:02:38 UTC-7, Andrew Huston wrote:
>
> Boxed and ready to ship. 
>
> Stock Clem H build from Rivendell, bike is in great shape.
> Only changes made are Nitto Albatross bar, 90mm Technomic stem, and 
> Velocity Cliffhanger wheel set (XT hubs), VO post.
> No saddle, grips or pedals
> Could include Bullmoose bars as well for an additional $75
> Asking $1250 plus shipping
>
> [image: IMG_4592.jpeg]
>
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[RBW] WTT/B: 700c 38mm Tires - Soma Terracota Tread for Black Tires

[David B]

Building up a new to me Roadini and am surprised by the tire clearances. I 
thought I'd run Resist Nomad tires, which I have, that measure out to 
~34mm, but there's a bunch of clearance to fit 38mm tires.
I've been saving some Soma Supple Vitesse EX tires with terracota (brick 
red-ish) tread but the colors aesthetically don't go well (to me) with an 
orange frame.

So... wondering if any one is interested in a trade.

I have:
Soma Supple Vitesse EX Tires - 700x38 - terracota tread, tan sidewalls - new

I would like:
similar tires in 700x38 with black tread and black or tan sidewalls like - 
Soma Supple Vitesse
Panaracer Gravelking Slicks
Rene Herse Barlow Pass
Lightly used condition is fine - tires don't need to be new

Trade would be preferable, but if you have any of these tires for sale, I'd 
be interested in buying outright too.

Happy to throw in some additional funds/parts for trade if the Rene Herse 
tires are a possible trade

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[RBW] Derailleur Clinic tonight, 5/4 on Instagram live. Thursday: Bike Trivia Night with prizes!

[James / Analog Cycles]

Free Clinic Tonight at instagram.com/analogcycles via Instagram live.  
We'll cover adjusting normal front and rear derailleurs, basic trouble 
shooting, that sorta thing.
8pm EST

On Thursday, May 7th, we'll be doing our first Instagram live mostly* bike 
theme'd trivia night*.  There will be a mix of esoteric and normal 
questions, plus some totally left field stuff.  

1st place gets 15% off one order of in stock mech on our website, not 
including completes or frames
2nd place gets 10% off
3rd gets 5%

Join the live stream to register at 8pm, there will be some logistics as we 
get everyone's name on a white board.  Game play will start at 8.10 or so.  
No late sign in's!  

Rules are simple:  first person to type a correct response that appears on 
our screen gets the point.  Probably best to play on a lap top rather than 
a phone, for faster typing.

Compete against your nerdy bike friends and see who will come out on top!  

-James / Analog Cycles

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[RBW] Re: Causes for bike noises

[Mark Roland]

Water may have got in there and temporarily acted as a lubricant. Back in 
the days when I wore clipless Look/Shimano road cleats, the mid-ride 
temporary fix for a squeaky cleat was to squirt some water at it from the 
water bottle.

On Saturday, May 2, 2020 at 6:18:02 PM UTC-4, aeroperf wrote:
>
>
> Had a once-per-pedal-revolution click that went away for a few days every 
> time I washed the bike.
> I swapped chains, pulled off the cranks, checked the bottom bracket and 
> shell, swapped seats…
> It turned out to be a bad pedal.  I never did find out what that had to do 
> with washing the bike.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fancy Cheviot!

[Mark Roland]

The potential for name embarrassment has been discussed (possibly way back 
in this thread). As far as the name of this model,  when the new Cheviut 
design was unveiled in a recent newsletter, Will mentioned that it was 
thought the changes might be substantial enough to warrant giving the 
bicycle a new name, and that this idea was currently under discussion. 
Since that mention, no final word has been issued from RBW headquarters 
regarding a possible name change, or whether it might involve an anagram 
contest, or any other information. Just speculation here on the list.

On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 4:18:41 PM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>
> That's what I thought, but it seemed like the talk was breaking down 
> between "the new" Cheviot and Leah's "Fancy Cheviot". And then discussion 
> of  it having a new name seemed to indicate it was going to be something of 
> a departure from the old, but based on the photo it seems to be more of a 
> refinement than a totally new thing,  so . . . . 
> New name? I don't care, but please not something silly. It's hard enough 
> to get our local police to take Bicycle theft seriously; just try telling 
> them that in addition to your bike being stolen, it was called a Roscoe 
> Bubbe. Even worse trying to convince them that said Roscoe Bubbe was worth 
> $2,700. 
> Pause to wait for them to stop laughing  . . . . 

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[RBW] Re: Let's Get Claudia Lopez an El Clem

[Mark Roland]

And of course the Clem could also handle the mud with a plum!

On Monday, May 4, 2020 at 6:44:52 AM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> I assume "easily as nice as a Clem" might be taken to mean "just as 
> expensive." Not sure what muddy tires has to do with anything, as the 
> article is referencing shutting down roads in a major city, and the photo 
> shows her riding through an urban square as her location. My thought is 
> that a Clem L is way more suited to just about anybody's needs in this type 
> of setting than the bike pictured, no matter how expensive or nice.
>
> Ride whatcha got is cool and fine, but if that's what she's got, I suspect 
> maybe she's a recreational rider (the gloves are another clue-full lycra 
> would have been a bit much) or, like many cyclists, fell for the bike 
> industry hype on suspension, disc brakes, etc. Whatever the case, I also 
> think she would look more comfortable and at the same time more mayorial on 
> a Clem than on the bike she is riding in the photograph.
>
> [image: bogota.jpg]
>
>
> On Sunday, May 3, 2020 at 4:05:18 PM UTC-4, masmojo wrote:
>>
>> Who knows? My initial impression (not sure why, maybe the title of the 
>> thread) lead me to believe the bike she had wasn't very good, but on closer 
>> inspection it would appear to actually be easily as nice as a Clem. 
>> Also, based on her location and the muddiness of her tires, I would say 
>> her bike is well suited to her needs. Although honestly,  my impression is 
>> it doesn't fit her very well. Could just be the angle/pose.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Atlas stout enough rim for Gus/Susie?

[Nick Payne]

I've been pretty impressed with the H Plus Son Todestreib rims (25mm 
internal width, 32mm external width) that I just used in a wheel build 
intended for use on an Appaloosa frame. The wheels were very easy to true 
both radially and laterally, and the spoke holes are offset about 3mm from 
the centreline, such that the spokes from the left flange go to the right 
side of the rim and vice versa, which gives a better bracing angle for the 
spokes on both sides of the wheel.

Not sure about the price in the US, but the local distributors here in Oz 
presently have them discounted for $A80 (~$US50): 
https://hplusson.com.au/products/todestrieb-rims.

Nick

p.s. H Plus Son claims an ERD of 592mm for the 700c Todestreib rim (without 
specifying where that ERD is taken to), but my measurements before building 
showed an ERD of 597mm to bring the end of the spokes to the bottom of the 
slot in a 12mm nipple, and after building the wheels, that 597 measurement 
proved to be absolutely correct. I've found the same discrepancies in the 
past with Velocity rims, so the problem isn't unique to H Plus Son. I 
always measure hubs and rims myself to calculate spoke lengths, rather than 
relying on published figures.

On Sunday, 3 May 2020 10:06:59 UTC+10, John G. wrote:
>
> Gus/Susie pre-orderers: what rims are you planning to use? Are Velocity 
> Atlases stout enough for the intended use of this bike?

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