[RBW] WTB: 55cm Canti Sam Hillborne Frameset

[Jeffrey S]

Interested in buying a used 55cm Canti Sam Hillborne framest. Let me know 
if you have one available. I am in Portland, OR if you happen to be local 
or close. I'm interested in most colors EXCEPT black. Thanks! 

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Re: [RBW] WTB Brooks B67 preferably brown or honey.

[Sam Perez]

Awesome I'll post pictures

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 8:41 AM Nathan Mattia  wrote:

> That would be great!
>
> -Nathan Mattia
>
> “I saw a tiger. Now I understand. I saw a tiger and the tiger saw a man.”
>
> On Aug 27, 2020, at 10:30 AM, Sam Perez  wrote:
>
> 
> i can send some pictures  this afternoon.
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 8:02 AM Nathan Mattia 
> wrote:
>
>> Looking for a brown Brooks B67
>>
>> Please let me know if you have one for sale!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Albatross/bar ends...what grips

[Greg Murphy]

I just used cloth tape. There's also cloth tape with padding.

-Greg

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 8:30 AM mikemike  wrote:

> I recall seeing a slotted handgrip when using albatross bars and bar ends
> so the housing is out of the way of the grip. can anybody point me to these
> or suggest another method
>
> mike goldman
> rhode island
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Re: [RBW] Re: friction mode on silver shifters and shimano down tube dura ace shifters slip!

[Sam Perez]

Oh I didn't think of that I'm only just now tinkering with more than just
changing handle bars. I don't remember the last time I purchased a
replacement. I remember I broke the chain 2 years ago and replaced it.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020, 12:55 PM tuolumne bikes 
wrote:

> Are you absolutely sure the cable is slipping? Does it always move in the
> same direction? (Gets harder to pedal for traditional rear derailleur.)
> Never happens in index mode? Skipping on worn cogs with a newer chain can
> seem like a shifting problem especially if it's on the larger cogs and
> you're pedaling hard uphill. If the cassette is oldish, replacing it can
> narrow down the possibilities.
>
> Carl
> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 7:14:40 AM UTC-7 Sam Perez wrote:
>
>> does any one know how to trouble shoot friction shifters that wont hold
>> gears under hard effort, i have riv silver shifters and 9speed dura ace
>> down tube shifters that slip on friction mode.
>>
>> I have done the following only to have the lever loose grip after a few
>> shifts. (lots of hills)
>> -tightened the bolt (done)
>> -tightened the D ring (done)
>> -adjusted the rear  deralure (done)
>>
>> any thoughts?
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS - 58cm Joe Appaloosa Disc Brakes

[eric swain]

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On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 8:32 AM eric swain  wrote:

>
> Hi everybody!
>
> So I've decided to part with my Appaloosa. I have been thinking about this
> for a long time and I find my self riding my other bikes more, it's a shame
> this bike just sits in the garage. Plus I want to get a new MTB so I'm
> selling two bikes(this one and a 1991 GT Karakoram, not really appropriate
> for the list but send me a message if interested).
>
> About the bike.
>
> Frame & fork: 58cm Joe Appaloosa with the beautiful double top tubes AND
> disc brake tabs added by Walt Works. The missing paint around the tabs has
> been clear coated over. Paint has a few scratches here and there, nothing
> major, just honest use.
>
> Headset: FSA, the one that comes with the Rivendells, honestly kind of a
> cheap headset. I have a new Tange I'll include as well. Can even swap it if
> you like.
>
> Stem: Crust/Nitto, 31.8mm, 75mm, silver
>
> Handlebars: Crust/Nitto Shaka bars, silver
>
> Bar Tape: Blackburn, white
>
> Brake levers/Shifters: Campy Centaur 10 speed ergopower levers, swapped
> lever blades for Athena(says 11 speed but they are not really 11 speed,
> just 10 speed with 11 speed levers, looks cooler!)
>
> Brakes: Paul Klampers, campy pull, black with orange knobs, Paul brake
> adapters. Avid Clean Sweep G2 160mm Rotors
>
> Rear Derailleur: Shimano Deore RD-M591, black,(yes, this bike is a
> campy/shimano mix, works great!)
>
> Front Derailleur: Shimano Deore XT Triple
>
> Cassette: Sram 9 speed, 11-34
>
> Chain: Sram 951
>
> Cranks: Shimano Deore FC-MT60, silver, 175mm, 110/74 bcd, 46t/30t(46
> mounted in the middle position, 30 in the small ring position)
>
> Bottom Bracket: Shimano UN55 68 x 118mm
>
> Pedals: Speedplay Drillium! Black
>
> Hubs: Profile Racing Elite 6 bolt disc, 32h, black, QR, HG 11 speed road
> freehub body, Shimano XT skewers. I'll also include the end caps and
> hardware to convert hubs to bolt on.
>
> Rims: Sun Ringle Rhyno Lites, 32h, black with machined sidewalls
>
> Spokes/nipples, DT Swiss Competition, black, DT Swiss silver brass nipples
>
> Tires: Continental Race King 29 x 2.0, currently set up tubeless with
> Orange Seal
>
> Seat Post: Thomson Elite, silver. I'll include the Nitto post as well.
>
> Saddle: Soma Hishou, black
>
> Front rack: Nitto Mark's Rack, silver with Wald 137 Basket zip-tied to it
> of course!
>
> Fenders: Planet Bike Cascadia 29 x 65mm, Black
>
> Cables and Housing: Cables are Campy, shift housing is Shimano, brake
> housing is Jagwire compressionless. I'll include two extra brake and shift
> cables from Jagwire also.
>
>
>
> $2500 is my price. Local pick up in Portland OR would be great but I am
> willing to ship. Feel free to contact me with any questions.
>
> ericrswain (at) gmail (dot) com
>
> Thanks,
> Eric Swain
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[RBW] Advice on odor removal from B-17 please

[John P. in SF]

Apologies for cross-posting, to SFR members

I recently purchased a fine used Brooks B-17 saddle from a 'friend' and 
have been enjoying it.

However.

I found myself checking my personal glandular areas for odor when near my 
bike pile, thinking that perhaps I have eaten something or took a shirt or 
pair of boxers from the wrong pile that day. After a few confirming sniffs 
I looked elsewhere and easily found the offending source, my newly acquired 
B-17.

Any tips for odor removal from the newbies or anciennes? 

Thanks in advance, 

John P in SF, who thought he smelled a bargain and got more than he wanted.

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[RBW] Re: Many new 'garage sale' frames up

[Bill Lindsay]

I wonder when this one will show up:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CC9h8ulHRfx/

Did it already go away?  Maybe they are waiting until they get the time to 
build it up proper.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 3:15:00 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Gosh.. a lot of tempting stuff on offer that I thought was gone!  I guess 
> all of the spares that were being held back are now up for sale. The 
> ability to buy a Joe in my size is dang tempting but I'm supposed to be 
> waiting for the Charlie :D  
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/web-special-frames  
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[RBW] Re: Clem L arrived, couple of thoughts and questions

[Fullylugged]

Hey Kurt!

Nice looking bike!  I suggested it to a local rider who needed an upright 
posture. She loves hers. She started out last Fall at 10 - 12 mph avg, but 
now is around 16 on club rides with it. A one point this morning, she was 
pulling our pace line at 18. So the bike isn't that slow. (This bike has 
the Conti basketball tires and cliffhanger rim wheels) All that to say that 
your wife can expect to ride about as quick or slow as she wants, in 
comfort, and looking good.

  Bruce

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[RBW] Re: Many new 'garage sale' frames up

[Collin A]

I buckled and got the 51 Joe after missing out on the first 2 rounds. Ok, 
time to figure what I need to sell...

Collin in AQI<50 Sacramento

On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 3:15:00 PM UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Gosh.. a lot of tempting stuff on offer that I thought was gone!  I guess 
> all of the spares that were being held back are now up for sale. The 
> ability to buy a Joe in my size is dang tempting but I'm supposed to be 
> waiting for the Charlie :D  
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/web-special-frames  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Good wishes for those on list affected by CA wildfires

[Patrick Moore]

I've responded with some asperity -- "roughness" -- to a couple of posts
raised by others querying why this lists gets so exercised about what might
be considered minor matters when there are much weightier matters being
debated in the electronic *agora.*

While I don't apologize for my answers, I do think it is right to say this:

Injustice, racial or otherwise, is a far, far more serious matter even than
smoke from unprecedented wildfires.

What the white settlers of North America did over 300 years to captured
African blacks and their descendants is in the aggregate at least as bad as
what was done to the Indians of the Americas (90% kill off) and to the Jews
of the Holocaust. There has always been racism -- and other prejudices --
throughout history, but that of WASP Americans to African Americans was
particularly horrible by its fear and it's malice. I am just old enough to
remember when visiting my grandmother in early 1960s Georgia "colored only"
drinking fountains and signs advertising Ku Klux Klan rallies on Stone
Mountain.

I was fortunate to grow up from 1968 to 1974, 13 to 19, in Kenya as child
of a pure WASP father -- so white that he made any white man on this list
look like a Sicilian, no offense to Sicilians, who are as God made them;
"white" as such is* not* a criterion of excellence. He grew up ins the Deep
South during Jim Crow and was smart enough to leave after High School; he
married a Filipina in 1954. No, my mother wasn't a maid; she came over on a
Fulbright Scholarship; the University of the Philippines was grooming her
to be Dean of the School of Library Sciences, and the Librarian of the
Library of Congress said to her after hearing a speech of hers, "Look me up
if you are ever in the US and need a job."

Ideological evils and ideological reactions swing back and forth
continuously as they have throughout history; the oppression of one people
by another people is millennia old, whether the peoples differ by race or
religion or nationality or economic class or what have you. The material
domination of western Europeans over non-European peoples is a mere blip in
the timeline of history and will very soon pass; the first Englishmen to
travel to Mughal India were fascinated rather than contemptuous of native
culture and adopted it; the early nabobs got rich by imitating the locals,
not suppressing them. It was only the pseudo-Darwinist racialist ideologies
of the Victorian era that generated British contempt for the *babu.* Cetshwayo
didn't ask permission of the other tribes he disenfranchised of their
ancestral homelands; the Han Chinese oppressed the Tibetans and now turn
their attention to the Uyghurs; the Leninists oppressed the peasants who
managed to scrape enough together to buy a couple of cows; the Nationalists
in Spain oppressed the Catholic clergy; the Falange oppressed anyone with
Socialist relatives.

Point: Nothing is new, and nothing you or I do will have anything more than
a transitory effect, except one thing: reform yourself. Gandhi helped drive
the Raj from India because of his interior greatness (Mahatma = great soul)
while the Jacobins turned *liberte egalite fraternite* into a bloodbath,
and the Leninists "reformed" corrupt Tsarist Russia by establishing an even
more brutal tyranny that only petered out from sordid internal
self-contradiction, cynicism, and psychological exhaustion after 70 years.

St. John of the Cross said in response to someone who prodded him about
reforming society*, speaking of those who were not interiorly reformed:
"Sometimes they achieve a little more than nothing, sometimes they achieve
nothing, sometimes they achieve less than nothing." *Nemo dat quod non
habet.* No one gives what he doesn't have. If we ourselves are not
internally reformed, why should we expect to have any effect on the world
around us?

* This reminds me of the response of Sri Ramakrishna to someone who told
him that he had no time for spiritual discipline because he needed to
reform the world:
"Do you think that the world is such a small thing that you can reform it?"



On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 12:09 PM Michael Baquerizo 
wrote:

> OK.
>
> On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 1:56:49 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Can I post my favorite biscuit recipe or do I have to undergo ideological
>> cleansing first? This sort of thing sounds very much like the obsessive,
>> guilt-ridden self-scrutiny -- far more in-depth than any Jesuit-mandated
>> examination of conscience! -- that used to afflict bourgeoise hangers-on to
>> the Soviet Leninists.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:24 AM Michael Baquerizo 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> since i don't mind the consequences, i'm sensing a double standard here.
>>> posts from jan re: BLM have nothing to do with this group, but this post
>>> about air quality in the bay area does.
>>>
>>> don't get me wrong, i see nothing wrong with either, but you can't use
>>> the swift hand of moderation on one claiming it has no place but just let
>>> this 

Re: [RBW] Re: Good wishes for those on list affected by CA wildfires

[Garth]

  Please everyone, just stick to the topic and let it stand .  If you feel 
like throwing a dart , just drop it as it's not gonna do any good. 

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[RBW] Re: Many new 'garage sale' frames up

[Ray]

Oh it's gone now. Thank god lol

On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 5:45:18 PM UTC-5 Ray wrote:

> Oh geez. That last 650b Atlantis in my size... I've been hanging out here 
> since I bought my bridgestone a couple months ago, and it's already proving 
> to be too tempting. I was planning on just riding it until a used one 
> showed up for a good deal but now...
>
> On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 5:15:00 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Gosh.. a lot of tempting stuff on offer that I thought was gone!  I guess 
>> all of the spares that were being held back are now up for sale. The 
>> ability to buy a Joe in my size is dang tempting but I'm supposed to be 
>> waiting for the Charlie :D  
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/web-special-frames  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Many new 'garage sale' frames up

[Ray]

Oh geez. That last 650b Atlantis in my size... I've been hanging out here 
since I bought my bridgestone a couple months ago, and it's already proving 
to be too tempting. I was planning on just riding it until a used one 
showed up for a good deal but now...

On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 5:15:00 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Gosh.. a lot of tempting stuff on offer that I thought was gone!  I guess 
> all of the spares that were being held back are now up for sale. The 
> ability to buy a Joe in my size is dang tempting but I'm supposed to be 
> waiting for the Charlie :D  
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/web-special-frames  
>

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[RBW] Many new 'garage sale' frames up

[Jason Fuller]

Gosh.. a lot of tempting stuff on offer that I thought was gone!  I guess 
all of the spares that were being held back are now up for sale. The 
ability to buy a Joe in my size is dang tempting but I'm supposed to be 
waiting for the Charlie :D  

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/web-special-frames  

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[RBW] Re: friction mode on silver shifters and shimano down tube dura ace shifters slip!

[tuolumne bikes]

Are you absolutely sure the cable is slipping? Does it always move in the 
same direction? (Gets harder to pedal for traditional rear derailleur.) 
Never happens in index mode? Skipping on worn cogs with a newer chain can 
seem like a shifting problem especially if it's on the larger cogs and 
you're pedaling hard uphill. If the cassette is oldish, replacing it can 
narrow down the possibilities.

Carl
On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 7:14:40 AM UTC-7 Sam Perez wrote:

> does any one know how to trouble shoot friction shifters that wont hold 
> gears under hard effort, i have riv silver shifters and 9speed dura ace 
> down tube shifters that slip on friction mode.
>
> I have done the following only to have the lever loose grip after a few 
> shifts. (lots of hills)
> -tightened the bolt (done) 
> -tightened the D ring (done)
> -adjusted the rear  deralure (done) 
>
> any thoughts?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 55cm Canti Sam Clearance?

[Nathan F]

The new Sams will have canti posts, and will come in "rbw blue" and "dark 
gold" according to Golden Pliers' most recent IG story. You could probably 
shoot them an email asking about the exact frame spec!

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[RBW] Re: Albatross/bar ends...what grips

[Ray]

I actually just did this yesterday with some ESI grips on my Albatross 
bars. I was re-cabling my bike so I didn't have bar-end shifters installed 
that I was working around, but I found the process much easier than I 
anticipated. I used glass cleaner instead of hand sanitizer. I've also 
heard that hairspray works well. I just put the cabling in the ESI grip and 
slipped them both on together. I used a bit more cabling than I needed so I 
could cut the extra at the bar-end. If you try to pull from the other size 
to get it even, it slips through rather easily, and you'll have to start 
over (this got me twice).

-Ray

On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 2:35:52 PM UTC-5 Erik Wright wrote:

> A recent Riv email update (July 31) had a small bit about slipping shifter 
> housing underneath Oury or ESI grips. I'm not sure how to link to the email 
> online so I took this screenshot of the email (attached).
>
> Erik, Philly
>
>
> On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 11:30:43 AM UTC-4, mikemike wrote:
>>
>> I recall seeing a slotted handgrip when using albatross bars and bar ends 
>> so the housing is out of the way of the grip. can anybody point me to these 
>> or suggest another method
>>
>> mike goldman
>> rhode island
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO: Billie bars

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Nice! Orange is the dreamiest. 
Enjoy it forever! (but if you should ever want to free it from your 
stable...:)
-Kai



On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 11:31:44 AM UTC-4, Nick Larson wrote:
>
> Found some! Thanks all.
>
> Kai - Got an orange one coming my way. Excited as this is by far the 
> largest bike Ill have owned and think it will really fit me. Chocomoose 
> look sweet. This is my first swept back bar and I think the upright 
> position will be very comfy.
>
> Max - definitely up for a ride when things calm down. There's an Atlantis 
> sitting in my apartment complex bike garage, that you? 
>
> -Nick
>
> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 11:57:42 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:
>
>> Great to see another riv lover in Cambridge! I don’t have a Billie bar 
>> available any longer - it’s going to be used on the upcoming Susie. Hope we 
>> get to meet up for a ride with others in the northeast when things 
>> normalize.
>>
>> Good luck with the search.
>>
>> Max
>>
>> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-6 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Very lovely bicycle you've got coming to you! (green or orange?), wish I 
>>> had some billie bars to offer up. If you would like Billie bars but might 
>>> want to be a slightly bit more forward for that killer'beam ride, you might 
>>> enjoy the Chocomoose bars. I've got a pair of those but I'd never ever 
>>> consider parting with them...
>>> Enjoy!
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 10:16:46 AM UTC-4, Nick Larson wrote:

 Anyone got one of these for sale? Got my first riv (68 cm quickbeam) on 
 the way and looking get a pair of these.

 In the Cambridge MA area but willing to pay for ship.

 Best,
 Nick



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Re: [RBW] Re: Good wishes for those on list affected by CA wildfires

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Air quality is on topic, effecting rides, as is concern for those effected 
by events. BLM is political and while all people of good will agree that 
Black lives matter, BLM is entirely different.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 10:24:32 AM UTC-6, Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
> since i don't mind the consequences, i'm sensing a double standard here. 
> posts from jan re: BLM have nothing to do with this group, but this post 
> about air quality in the bay area does. 
>
> don't get me wrong, i see nothing wrong with either, but you can't use the 
> swift hand of moderation on one claiming it has no place but just let this 
> fly free. or you can, cause this is your google group, but a double 
> standard is a double standard. there isn't even a mention of rivendell 
> bikes here. 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 9:36:25 PM UTC-4 Bill Gibson wrote:
>
>> All week the smoke from California has made the sun copper and the sky 
>> pastel orange all day. Sending hope and rain your way. From Arizona.
>> Bill Gibson
>> Tempe, Arizona, USA
>> My Photographs  : 
>> https://billbgibson.myportfolio.com/ and on Behance: 
>> https://www.behance.net/BillGibson 
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 1:14 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> I cut short a ride yesterday because the air felt smokey and affected my 
>>> sinuses and eyes, even tho' the official particle report was "moderate". 
>>> The air had been smokey for a couple of days with a "warning" in force 
>>> until mid-day yesterday. Today was fine.
>>>
>>> Fire near Santa Fe, and smoke from Phoenix; dammit, Phoenix, keep your 
>>> smoke to yourselves.
>>>
>>> The local "news" reported a local "be ready to evacuate" order, though 
>>> intended only "in general." We're certainly dry, and I live next door to 
>>> the bosque, which they are patrolling by helicopter, but no fire seems 
>>> imminent, thank God. 
>>>
>>> Again, good luck to those in California Warming.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:42 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 The air is just miserable here in Novato with an AQI of 155. Yesterday 
 we were getting blowing smoke that made it seem like something was on fire 
 just down the street, but it was the wind from Point Reyes.

 I can't emphasize enough that you guys can't be out in this. I've seen 
 several reports around the onlines of people trying to ride or run and 
 this 
 is just not a good plan, we all need to be inside with windows closed as 
 much as possible. Listen to your pal Joe!

>>> ---
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>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Clem Smith Jr H 59cm Dark Green Complete

[Nikko in Oakland]

Potentially interested for my friend who's out in Virginia Beach! Sending 
it over to him now. 

On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 9:07:44 AM UTC-7 psc...@gmail.com wrote:

> 59cm Clem H complete $1250 + shipping
>
>
> photos here: 
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/147564748@N06/albums/72157715683516157
>
>
> Includes the following:
>
> Deore / Cliffhanger wheel set hand-built by LBS, set up tubeless with 
> brand new Rene Herse 55mm Fleecer Ridge Endurance tires ($$!).
>
> 1 x 10sp Microshift clutch derailleur, 12-42 10sp cassette, Wolftooth 
> 'dropstop' 40T chainring on 7400 Dura Ace crankset, Microshift thumb 
> shifter, shifts quietly and smoothly, haven't yet had a false shift!  
>
> Deore V-brakes with Shimano levers.
>
> Nitto 120mm stem with 58cm heat treated Bosco bars, silicone grips.
>
> Stock seat post with black Brooks B17 saddle.
>
> Note:  (Pedals, water bottle cages and rear rack seen in photos not 
> included, will sell rack separately if interested)
>
> Bike is in excellent condition, no marks that I can see except a couple 
> light scratches on the right chain stay, probably from taking the wheels 
> on/off and chain rubbing against the chain stay while loading it in and out 
> of the car.
>
> located in southwest VA
>
> contact psc...@gmail.com
>
> thanks!  -Scott 
>
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Good wishes for those on list affected by CA wildfires

[Michael Baquerizo]

OK. 

On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 1:56:49 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Can I post my favorite biscuit recipe or do I have to undergo ideological 
> cleansing first? This sort of thing sounds very much like the obsessive, 
> guilt-ridden self-scrutiny -- far more in-depth than any Jesuit-mandated 
> examination of conscience! -- that used to afflict bourgeoise hangers-on to 
> the Soviet Leninists.
>
> On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:24 AM Michael Baquerizo  
> wrote:
>
>> since i don't mind the consequences, i'm sensing a double standard here. 
>> posts from jan re: BLM have nothing to do with this group, but this post 
>> about air quality in the bay area does. 
>>
>> don't get me wrong, i see nothing wrong with either, but you can't use 
>> the swift hand of moderation on one claiming it has no place but just let 
>> this fly free. or you can, cause this is your google group, but a double 
>> standard is a double standard. there isn't even a mention of rivendell 
>> bikes here. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 9:36:25 PM UTC-4 Bill Gibson wrote:
>>
>>> All week the smoke from California has made the sun copper and the sky 
>>> pastel orange all day. Sending hope and rain your way. From Arizona.
>>> Bill Gibson
>>> Tempe, Arizona, USA
>>> My Photographs  : 
>>> https://billbgibson.myportfolio.com/ and on Behance: 
>>> https://www.behance.net/BillGibson 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 1:14 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 I cut short a ride yesterday because the air felt smokey and affected 
 my sinuses and eyes, even tho' the official particle report was 
 "moderate". 
 The air had been smokey for a couple of days with a "warning" in force 
 until mid-day yesterday. Today was fine.

 Fire near Santa Fe, and smoke from Phoenix; dammit, Phoenix, keep your 
 smoke to yourselves.

 The local "news" reported a local "be ready to evacuate" order, though 
 intended only "in general." We're certainly dry, and I live next door to 
 the bosque, which they are patrolling by helicopter, but no fire seems 
 imminent, thank God. 

 Again, good luck to those in California Warming.

 On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:42 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> The air is just miserable here in Novato with an AQI of 155. Yesterday 
> we were getting blowing smoke that made it seem like something was on 
> fire 
> just down the street, but it was the wind from Point Reyes.
>
> I can't emphasize enough that you guys can't be out in this. I've seen 
> several reports around the onlines of people trying to ride or run and 
> this 
> is just not a good plan, we all need to be inside with windows closed as 
> much as possible. Listen to your pal Joe!
>
 ---
 Patrick Moore
 Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum

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Re: [RBW] Re: Good wishes for those on list affected by CA wildfires

[Patrick Moore]

Can I post my favorite biscuit recipe or do I have to undergo ideological
cleansing first? This sort of thing sounds very much like the obsessive,
guilt-ridden self-scrutiny -- far more in-depth than any Jesuit-mandated
examination of conscience! -- that used to afflict bourgeoise hangers-on to
the Soviet Leninists.

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 10:24 AM Michael Baquerizo 
wrote:

> since i don't mind the consequences, i'm sensing a double standard here.
> posts from jan re: BLM have nothing to do with this group, but this post
> about air quality in the bay area does.
>
> don't get me wrong, i see nothing wrong with either, but you can't use the
> swift hand of moderation on one claiming it has no place but just let this
> fly free. or you can, cause this is your google group, but a double
> standard is a double standard. there isn't even a mention of rivendell
> bikes here.
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 9:36:25 PM UTC-4 Bill Gibson wrote:
>
>> All week the smoke from California has made the sun copper and the sky
>> pastel orange all day. Sending hope and rain your way. From Arizona.
>> Bill Gibson
>> Tempe, Arizona, USA
>> My Photographs  :
>> https://billbgibson.myportfolio.com/ and on Behance:
>> https://www.behance.net/BillGibson 
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 1:14 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> I cut short a ride yesterday because the air felt smokey and affected my
>>> sinuses and eyes, even tho' the official particle report was "moderate".
>>> The air had been smokey for a couple of days with a "warning" in force
>>> until mid-day yesterday. Today was fine.
>>>
>>> Fire near Santa Fe, and smoke from Phoenix; dammit, Phoenix, keep your
>>> smoke to yourselves.
>>>
>>> The local "news" reported a local "be ready to evacuate" order, though
>>> intended only "in general." We're certainly dry, and I live next door to
>>> the bosque, which they are patrolling by helicopter, but no fire seems
>>> imminent, thank God.
>>>
>>> Again, good luck to those in California Warming.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:42 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 The air is just miserable here in Novato with an AQI of 155. Yesterday
 we were getting blowing smoke that made it seem like something was on fire
 just down the street, but it was the wind from Point Reyes.

 I can't emphasize enough that you guys can't be out in this. I've seen
 several reports around the onlines of people trying to ride or run and this
 is just not a good plan, we all need to be inside with windows closed as
 much as possible. Listen to your pal Joe!

>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Clem L arrived, couple of thoughts and questions

[Jeremy Till]

I'd agree that the twitchyness was from riding too small a bike. I'm taller 
than you and have a first generation 59cm Clem H and find it to be one of 
the most planted (but still nimble) bikes I've ridden; that being said the 
front end geometry has changed slightly in the most recent generations.  

My thought with the the multiple rack mounts is probably that the dropouts 
are a standard item, not specific to Clems, that come with rack mounts cast 
in, but Rivendell also wanted to include a more forward rack mounting 
location that allows you to take more advantage of the long stays and have 
the weight on the rack more centered within the wheelbase of the bike, 
instead of hanging off the back (see also: "longtail" cargo bikes). Thus 
they added the mounts on the stays. At that point you do have more 
braze-ons than needed but there's no point in having the factory cut off 
the extra ones, and you could use them for creative uses (light mounts?).  

Wheels such as this are generally built at a factory by a machine. I think 
they just load the nipple hopper with multiple colors when they build these 
ones.  

-Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA


On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 8:30:38 AM UTC-7 Kurt Henry wrote:

> I asked a while back about a small bike suggestion for my son's mom, 
> followed by a WTB for a 45cm Clem-L.  No leads turned up, so I got in line 
> for the presale.  And it finally showed up today!
>
> We went with the green, which I had read was a very interesting color that 
> doesn't photograph well.  I'll second (third?  fourth?) that comment.  Such 
> a cool bronzey-browney-green that seems to change color in different 
> light.  I got it put together and took it for a short spin to make sure the 
> shifting and braking were all set before I handed it over.  Shifting was 
> great and the braking was as well once I cleared a minor hurdle: the front 
> brake cable was fine for length, but was routed behind the fork.  I thought 
> maybe I'd managed to loop it under the fork leg when I got the bars out.  
> But for the life of me I couldn't get it looped back around.  No big deal, 
> loosen clamp, move cable to correct side, reattach, and ready to roll.
>
> The bike is definitely too small for me at almost 5'10". On the road it 
> was very smooth and well behaved.  The steering was really light, but 
> that's probably not helped by the extended seatpost and slack seat tube 
> pushing me back out toward the back.  I did take it through some gravel at 
> the park behind our house before looping around.  Slow speed in the gravel 
> was really dicey and twitchy.  I was about to hop off to avoid taking a 
> spill and scratching it before she got to ride it it.  Not at all what I 
> was expecting!  But back out on the road, it was a very nice ride.
>
> After the quick shakedown, the key item of the day was dropping the seat 
> back down to Jenni's height and letting her take it for a spin.  She LOVED 
> it!!  So, end of the day, mission accomplished.
>
> Now, a couple of questions.  Just when I think I've been around the block 
> a few times around bikes, this one has a few braze-ons I did not expect.  
> There are tabs on the front of the seat stays, going straight into the stay 
> (vs. hourglasses).  What are those for?  And the rear dropouts have more 
> eyelets than I can imagine a use for.  I can see the ones part way up the 
> seatstays as intended for a rack, to stay out of the way of fenders (or 
> perhaps I have that backwards).  But what are the extra eyelets behind the 
> rear dropout intended for?
>
> Finally, who builds the wheels for the production bikes?  I'm assuming 
> they're machine built to hit the price point.  But I was surprised to find 
> a rainbow of colors for the nipples.  Totally unexpected, and a very nice 
> surprise!
>
> Thanks all!
> Kurt Henry
> Lancaster, Pennsylvania USA
>
> P.S. Yes, I know, the bike is turned the wrong way, should be drive side.  
> I was about to set the kickstand on the downhill side (toward me), realized 
> it was too steep, so let it rest the other way against Jenni's jeep for a 
> quick picture.  Had to get inside and get dinner going!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Albatross/bar ends...what grips

[Conway Bennett]

ESI extra chunky.

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[RBW] Re: Clem L arrived, couple of thoughts and questions

[Jingy]

Mine is supposed to show up tomorrow. I'm super antsy for it!
Jim in Mpls

On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 10:30:38 AM UTC-5, Kurt Henry wrote:
>
> I asked a while back about a small bike suggestion for my son's mom, 
> followed by a WTB for a 45cm Clem-L.  No leads turned up, so I got in line 
> for the presale.  And it finally showed up today!
>
> We went with the green, which I had read was a very interesting color that 
> doesn't photograph well.  I'll second (third?  fourth?) that comment.  Such 
> a cool bronzey-browney-green that seems to change color in different 
> light.  I got it put together and took it for a short spin to make sure the 
> shifting and braking were all set before I handed it over.  Shifting was 
> great and the braking was as well once I cleared a minor hurdle: the front 
> brake cable was fine for length, but was routed behind the fork.  I thought 
> maybe I'd managed to loop it under the fork leg when I got the bars out.  
> But for the life of me I couldn't get it looped back around.  No big deal, 
> loosen clamp, move cable to correct side, reattach, and ready to roll.
>
> The bike is definitely too small for me at almost 5'10". On the road it 
> was very smooth and well behaved.  The steering was really light, but 
> that's probably not helped by the extended seatpost and slack seat tube 
> pushing me back out toward the back.  I did take it through some gravel at 
> the park behind our house before looping around.  Slow speed in the gravel 
> was really dicey and twitchy.  I was about to hop off to avoid taking a 
> spill and scratching it before she got to ride it it.  Not at all what I 
> was expecting!  But back out on the road, it was a very nice ride.
>
> After the quick shakedown, the key item of the day was dropping the seat 
> back down to Jenni's height and letting her take it for a spin.  She LOVED 
> it!!  So, end of the day, mission accomplished.
>
> Now, a couple of questions.  Just when I think I've been around the block 
> a few times around bikes, this one has a few braze-ons I did not expect.  
> There are tabs on the front of the seat stays, going straight into the stay 
> (vs. hourglasses).  What are those for?  And the rear dropouts have more 
> eyelets than I can imagine a use for.  I can see the ones part way up the 
> seatstays as intended for a rack, to stay out of the way of fenders (or 
> perhaps I have that backwards).  But what are the extra eyelets behind the 
> rear dropout intended for?
>
> Finally, who builds the wheels for the production bikes?  I'm assuming 
> they're machine built to hit the price point.  But I was surprised to find 
> a rainbow of colors for the nipples.  Totally unexpected, and a very nice 
> surprise!
>
> Thanks all!
> Kurt Henry
> Lancaster, Pennsylvania USA
>
> P.S. Yes, I know, the bike is turned the wrong way, should be drive side.  
> I was about to set the kickstand on the downhill side (toward me), realized 
> it was too steep, so let it rest the other way against Jenni's jeep for a 
> quick picture.  Had to get inside and get dinner going!
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: While we wait for our Platypus Bikes...

[John A. Bennett]

Here's a photo on our Instagram 

https://www.instagram.com/p/CECGYWwnzqg/

On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 8:30:16 AM UTC-7 Sam Perez wrote:

> what does the platypus look like ? i dont see it on the website
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 1:30 PM 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Magnificent! A highly mobile art piece!
>> I must buy one of these bikes just to prominently display the head badge. 
>> And, for my own viewing pleasure.
>>
>> Thank you Olivier!
>>
>> David Lipsky
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 10:11:38 AM UTC-7, Olivier Chételat 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ...and some additional material for those still waiting for a Platypus 
>>> by way of sample badge. 
>>> Save a few refinements, you are looking at the 99.83% final version.
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Re: [RBW] Re: While we wait for our Platypus Bikes...

[kim young]

I think joe posted the initial preview of it.  Search the list under new
Cheviot, or maybe fancy cheviot (?) , something like that. (It is the
platypus, but that comes after.)



On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 8:30 AM Sam Perez  wrote:

> what does the platypus look like ? i dont see it on the website
>
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>> Magnificent! A highly mobile art piece!
>> I must buy one of these bikes just to prominently display the head badge.
>> And, for my own viewing pleasure.
>>
>> Thank you Olivier!
>>
>> David Lipsky
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 10:11:38 AM UTC-7, Olivier Chételat
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> ...and some additional material for those still waiting for a Platypus
>>> by way of sample badge.
>>> Save a few refinements, you are looking at the 99.83% final version.
>>>
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[RBW] FS - Bridgestone Mile 112 PDX

[velomann]

I'm clearing out some overlap bikes to make way/raise funds for a new Sam 
Hillborne (my first Rivendell!)
55cm, a bunch of upgrades, well cared for.
https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/portland-bridgestone-mile-112-road-bike/7184682291.html

At this point local sale only.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Good wishes for those on list affected by CA wildfires

[Michael Baquerizo]

since i don't mind the consequences, i'm sensing a double standard here. 
posts from jan re: BLM have nothing to do with this group, but this post 
about air quality in the bay area does. 

don't get me wrong, i see nothing wrong with either, but you can't use the 
swift hand of moderation on one claiming it has no place but just let this 
fly free. or you can, cause this is your google group, but a double 
standard is a double standard. there isn't even a mention of rivendell 
bikes here. 



On Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 9:36:25 PM UTC-4 Bill Gibson wrote:

> All week the smoke from California has made the sun copper and the sky 
> pastel orange all day. Sending hope and rain your way. From Arizona.
> Bill Gibson
> Tempe, Arizona, USA
> My Photographs  : 
> https://billbgibson.myportfolio.com/ and on Behance: 
> https://www.behance.net/BillGibson 
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 1:14 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> I cut short a ride yesterday because the air felt smokey and affected my 
>> sinuses and eyes, even tho' the official particle report was "moderate". 
>> The air had been smokey for a couple of days with a "warning" in force 
>> until mid-day yesterday. Today was fine.
>>
>> Fire near Santa Fe, and smoke from Phoenix; dammit, Phoenix, keep your 
>> smoke to yourselves.
>>
>> The local "news" reported a local "be ready to evacuate" order, though 
>> intended only "in general." We're certainly dry, and I live next door to 
>> the bosque, which they are patrolling by helicopter, but no fire seems 
>> imminent, thank God. 
>>
>> Again, good luck to those in California Warming.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:42 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> The air is just miserable here in Novato with an AQI of 155. Yesterday 
>>> we were getting blowing smoke that made it seem like something was on fire 
>>> just down the street, but it was the wind from Point Reyes.
>>>
>>> I can't emphasize enough that you guys can't be out in this. I've seen 
>>> several reports around the onlines of people trying to ride or run and this 
>>> is just not a good plan, we all need to be inside with windows closed as 
>>> much as possible. Listen to your pal Joe!
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Albatross/bar ends...what grips

[Jack Barnes]

If you are thinking of cork grips, then Riv has them pre-slotted:
https://www.rivbike.com/products/mieshas-portuguese-tree-cork-grips-pair-grooved-and-punched-for-barend-shifters

It's been awhile but I think I simply bought cork grips and slotted them 
myself, for a little bit of a deeper groove to keep the cable out of the 
way.

On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 8:30:43 AM UTC-7, mikemike wrote:
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> I recall seeing a slotted handgrip when using albatross bars and bar ends 
> so the housing is out of the way of the grip. can anybody point me to these 
> or suggest another method
>
> mike goldman
> rhode island
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[RBW] FS: Clem Smith Jr H 59cm Dark Green Complete

[scott minor]

59cm Clem H complete $1250 + shipping


photos here: 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/147564748@N06/albums/72157715683516157


Includes the following:

Deore / Cliffhanger wheel set hand-built by LBS, set up tubeless with brand 
new Rene Herse 55mm Fleecer Ridge Endurance tires ($$!).

1 x 10sp Microshift clutch derailleur, 12-42 10sp cassette, Wolftooth 
'dropstop' 40T chainring on 7400 Dura Ace crankset, Microshift thumb 
shifter, shifts quietly and smoothly, haven't yet had a false shift!  

Deore V-brakes with Shimano levers.

Nitto 120mm stem with 58cm heat treated Bosco bars, silicone grips.

Stock seat post with black Brooks B17 saddle.

Note:  (Pedals, water bottle cages and rear rack seen in photos not 
included, will sell rack separately if interested)

Bike is in excellent condition, no marks that I can see except a couple 
light scratches on the right chain stay, probably from taking the wheels 
on/off and chain rubbing against the chain stay while loading it in and out 
of the car.

located in southwest VA

contact psco...@gmail.com

thanks!  -Scott 

 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Good wishes for those on list affected by CA wildfires

[Patrick Moore]

We’ll gladly accept your rain.

Patrick Moore
iPhone

> On Aug 27, 2020, at 9:29 AM, Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:
> 
> 
> Thank you Patrick and others. This has been a tough week. Air Quality has 
> mostly been good in our neck of the woods, but drops in the evening as the 
> wind shifts here north of SF and the smoke starts to lay into our area. We've 
> seen >200 a few times via Purple Air, and there's not much to do but hang 
> inside and keep everything closed. I've had a sore throat all week. 
> 
> A friend texted me images from his place near the LNU Complex fire. He had 
> been lost everything but the stuff he had in his truck. 
> 
> I used to really like late summer and early fall, but now, it's a definite 
> time of stress.
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> Be safe everyone.
> 
> - Jim
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Re: [RBW] WTB Brooks B67 preferably brown or honey.

[Nathan Mattia]

That would be great!

-Nathan Mattia

“I saw a tiger. Now I understand. I saw a tiger and the tiger saw a man.”

> On Aug 27, 2020, at 10:30 AM, Sam Perez  wrote:
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> 
> i can send some pictures  this afternoon.
> 
>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 8:02 AM Nathan Mattia  wrote:
>> Looking for a brown Brooks B67 
>> 
>> Please let me know if you have one for sale!
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[RBW] Re: Clem L arrived, couple of thoughts and questions

[lconley]

The front of seatstay braze-ons are for a frame mounted lock.

Laing
Delray Beach FL

On Thursday, August 27, 2020 at 11:30:38 AM UTC-4, Kurt Henry wrote:

> I asked a while back about a small bike suggestion for my son's mom, 
> followed by a WTB for a 45cm Clem-L.  No leads turned up, so I got in line 
> for the presale.  And it finally showed up today!
>
> We went with the green, which I had read was a very interesting color that 
> doesn't photograph well.  I'll second (third?  fourth?) that comment.  Such 
> a cool bronzey-browney-green that seems to change color in different 
> light.  I got it put together and took it for a short spin to make sure the 
> shifting and braking were all set before I handed it over.  Shifting was 
> great and the braking was as well once I cleared a minor hurdle: the front 
> brake cable was fine for length, but was routed behind the fork.  I thought 
> maybe I'd managed to loop it under the fork leg when I got the bars out.  
> But for the life of me I couldn't get it looped back around.  No big deal, 
> loosen clamp, move cable to correct side, reattach, and ready to roll.
>
> The bike is definitely too small for me at almost 5'10". On the road it 
> was very smooth and well behaved.  The steering was really light, but 
> that's probably not helped by the extended seatpost and slack seat tube 
> pushing me back out toward the back.  I did take it through some gravel at 
> the park behind our house before looping around.  Slow speed in the gravel 
> was really dicey and twitchy.  I was about to hop off to avoid taking a 
> spill and scratching it before she got to ride it it.  Not at all what I 
> was expecting!  But back out on the road, it was a very nice ride.
>
> After the quick shakedown, the key item of the day was dropping the seat 
> back down to Jenni's height and letting her take it for a spin.  She LOVED 
> it!!  So, end of the day, mission accomplished.
>
> Now, a couple of questions.  Just when I think I've been around the block 
> a few times around bikes, this one has a few braze-ons I did not expect.  
> There are tabs on the front of the seat stays, going straight into the stay 
> (vs. hourglasses).  What are those for?  And the rear dropouts have more 
> eyelets than I can imagine a use for.  I can see the ones part way up the 
> seatstays as intended for a rack, to stay out of the way of fenders (or 
> perhaps I have that backwards).  But what are the extra eyelets behind the 
> rear dropout intended for?
>
> Finally, who builds the wheels for the production bikes?  I'm assuming 
> they're machine built to hit the price point.  But I was surprised to find 
> a rainbow of colors for the nipples.  Totally unexpected, and a very nice 
> surprise!
>
> Thanks all!
> Kurt Henry
> Lancaster, Pennsylvania USA
>
> P.S. Yes, I know, the bike is turned the wrong way, should be drive side.  
> I was about to set the kickstand on the downhill side (toward me), realized 
> it was too steep, so let it rest the other way against Jenni's jeep for a 
> quick picture.  Had to get inside and get dinner going!
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[RetroGrouchy]

I went and checked out the Heron for sale in Denver.  I believe it's 
actually a 59cm, and thus too big for me.  It's a really nice bike for 
$1000 though, good seller.  Someone should snap it up! 

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 1:15:08 PM UTC-6 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Heron Randonneur, 55cm
>
> $2999
>
> North Smithfield, RI
>
>
> https://providence.craigslist.org/bik/d/north-smithfield-heron-rivendell/7175804150.html
>
> 
>
> AHH/Saluki, 54cm
>
> $2999
>
> North Smithfield, RI
>
>
> https://providence.craigslist.org/bik/d/north-smithfield-rivendell-ahh-saluki/7175804766.html
>
> 
>
> Heron Randonneur, 54-56cm
>
> $1000
>
> Denver, CO
>
> https://denver.craigslist.org/bik/d/denver-heron/7164488596.html
>
> 
>
> Atlantis, 58cm
>
> $1900
>
> Seattle, WA
>
>
> https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-atlantis-58cm-touring/7175682012.html
>
> 
>
> Quickbeam, 68cm
>
> $1400
>
> Mammoth Lakes, CA
>
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> https://reno.craigslist.org/bik/d/mammoth-lakes-fs-rivendell-quickbeam-68/7174289250.html
>
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 4:11:41 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> This thread is for Rivendells you've found on eBay, CraigsList, and sites 
>> beyond: bikes in which you think someone here might be interested. This 
>> thread isn't for posting ads to your own ad, it's just so people who are 
>> searching or interested have a place to look, like, "Hey, check this out!" 
>> Here are a few, from today's searches:
>>
>> 61cm Roadini
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/283940882590
>>
>> 58cm Quickbeam
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/pinole-rivendell-quickbeam-58/7154380920.html
>>
>> 52cm Clementine
>>
>> https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bik/d/richardson-rivendell-clementine/7130894748.html
>>
>> 65cm Redwood
>>
>> https://bellingham.craigslist.org/bik/d/bellingham-rivendell-redwood/7153843392.html
>>
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[RBW] Re: friction mode on silver shifters and shimano down tube dura ace shifters slip!

[Andreas]

As you state this occurs under hard efforts, it could be that this is due 
to a "soft" frame and has nothing to do with the shifting setup.

Andreas

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 10:14:40 AM UTC-4, Sam Perez wrote:
>
> does any one know how to trouble shoot friction shifters that wont hold 
> gears under hard effort, i have riv silver shifters and 9speed dura ace 
> down tube shifters that slip on friction mode.
>
> I have done the following only to have the lever loose grip after a few 
> shifts. (lots of hills)
> -tightened the bolt (done) 
> -tightened the D ring (done)
> -adjusted the rear  deralure (done) 
>
> any thoughts?
>
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[RBW] FS - 58cm Joe Appaloosa Disc Brakes

[eric swain]

Hi everybody!

So I've decided to part with my Appaloosa. I have been thinking about this 
for a long time and I find my self riding my other bikes more, it's a shame 
this bike just sits in the garage. Plus I want to get a new MTB so I'm 
selling two bikes(this one and a 1991 GT Karakoram, not really appropriate 
for the list but send me a message if interested). 

About the bike. 

Frame & fork: 58cm Joe Appaloosa with the beautiful double top tubes AND 
disc brake tabs added by Walt Works. The missing paint around the tabs has 
been clear coated over. Paint has a few scratches here and there, nothing 
major, just honest use. 

Headset: FSA, the one that comes with the Rivendells, honestly kind of a 
cheap headset. I have a new Tange I'll include as well. Can even swap it if 
you like.

Stem: Crust/Nitto, 31.8mm, 75mm, silver

Handlebars: Crust/Nitto Shaka bars, silver

Bar Tape: Blackburn, white

Brake levers/Shifters: Campy Centaur 10 speed ergopower levers, swapped 
lever blades for Athena(says 11 speed but they are not really 11 speed, 
just 10 speed with 11 speed levers, looks cooler!)

Brakes: Paul Klampers, campy pull, black with orange knobs, Paul brake 
adapters. Avid Clean Sweep G2 160mm Rotors

Rear Derailleur: Shimano Deore RD-M591, black,(yes, this bike is a 
campy/shimano mix, works great!)

Front Derailleur: Shimano Deore XT Triple

Cassette: Sram 9 speed, 11-34

Chain: Sram 951

Cranks: Shimano Deore FC-MT60, silver, 175mm, 110/74 bcd, 46t/30t(46 
mounted in the middle position, 30 in the small ring position)

Bottom Bracket: Shimano UN55 68 x 118mm

Pedals: Speedplay Drillium! Black

Hubs: Profile Racing Elite 6 bolt disc, 32h, black, QR, HG 11 speed road 
freehub body, Shimano XT skewers. I'll also include the end caps and 
hardware to convert hubs to bolt on.

Rims: Sun Ringle Rhyno Lites, 32h, black with machined sidewalls

Spokes/nipples, DT Swiss Competition, black, DT Swiss silver brass nipples

Tires: Continental Race King 29 x 2.0, currently set up tubeless with 
Orange Seal

Seat Post: Thomson Elite, silver. I'll include the Nitto post as well.

Saddle: Soma Hishou, black

Front rack: Nitto Mark's Rack, silver with Wald 137 Basket zip-tied to it 
of course!

Fenders: Planet Bike Cascadia 29 x 65mm, Black

Cables and Housing: Cables are Campy, shift housing is Shimano, brake 
housing is Jagwire compressionless. I'll include two extra brake and shift 
cables from Jagwire also. 



$2500 is my price. Local pick up in Portland OR would be great but I am 
willing to ship. Feel free to contact me with any questions.

ericrswain (at) gmail (dot) com

Thanks,
Eric Swain

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[RBW] Re: Kickstands and Clems

[Alex K]

Oh boy.  I’ve been using the bolt that came with the single-leg Pletscher 
included in my buildout with a two-legged Pletscher that I bought from my 
LBS.  I’m a front-loader, so I feel pretty confident that I’ll be all 
right, but this thread has got me thinking!
On Monday, August 24, 2020 at 9:53:50 PM UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:

> The old kickstand plates pre-2013ish were A LOT thinner than they are now. 
> It didn't shear off because i noticed in time but the double plescher had 
> severely damaged by Sisters MUSA Sam hillborne kickstand plate (bent it 
> badly). It isnt a single time but repeated use with panniers full of stuff 
> that does it. the plate would get twisting forces everytime the kickstand 
> does the 'hop' as it is first deployed, during that hop it supports the 
> weight of the ENTIRE bike then as the rear wheel lands back down it puts 
> all the force perpendicular on the plate, eventually causing a fatigue 
> failure.
> Common problem on delivery bikes I have worked with as well, even with 
> totallly over built kickstand mounts, the twisting action during deployment 
> would always eventually kill the kickstand, whether it sheared the mounting 
> bolt or the legs of the kickstand itself.
>
> On Tuesday, 25 August 2020 at 10:18:52 UTC+8 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> I am confused by this. I can't imagine the weight of a kickstand 
>> "ripping" a welded kickstand off of any bicycle. Not to mention what is the 
>> point of a kickstand plate if it can't handle a kickstand, double or knot. 
>> I assume you don't mean weight of the kickstand but maybe fully weighted 
>> kickstand.  But even if people were sitting on the bike with the kickstand 
>> down--which I hope Riv riders would understand is not generally a good 
>> practice--I can't fathom how the plate would be riven from the frame before 
>> one of the legs would give way on the kickstand itself. If it did, are we 
>> sure it wasn't some perfect freak storm that happened once? Or are these 
>> kickstands and the pivots super strong, and acting like a pry bar on the 
>> plate? Still hard to picture. Maybe a batch of faulty kickstand plate welds.
>>
>> By the way, my double clears a 650B x 2.25 Thunder Burt no problem. I 
>> guess it's maybe not a Pletcher, it's black and reads "Massload." It came 
>> with a used Clem and I transferred it to my new Clem. Works great so far.
>>
>> On Monday, August 24, 2020 at 7:59:43 PM UTC-4, Dave Johnston wrote:
>>>
>>> A few years back there reports of the weight of the double kick stand 
>>> ripping the Kickstand plate off of Rivendell bicycles, so you should 
>>> actually mount it with the long bolt and chainstay sandwich, not the shorty 
>>> bolt directly to the plate. I suspect part of the problem may have been 
>>> people sitting on the bike with the kickstand down, but Riv stopped selling 
>>> them after reports of frame damage.
>>>
>>> -Dave
>>>
>>> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 10:16:46 AM UTC-4, Alex K wrote:

 Just got my Clem L rolling and I'm pretty smitten.  The handling on 
 curves and general comfort level are fairly astounding.  I do have a Nitto 
 Campee 34F with a hardware-less Wald 157 basket mounted on the front for 
 larger loads (laundry, pizza, etc.). What I'm wondering here is if anyone 
 has any experience with the double kickstand on a heavier/loaded bike.  I 
 didn't love the single Pletscher kickstand that came with the bike and am 
 considering a Pletscher or Velo Orange double stand.  Any thoughts?  
 Thanks 
 for reading.  
 Alex

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Re: [RBW] Re: friction mode on silver shifters and shimano down tube dura ace shifters slip!

[Sam Perez]

On the silver shifter I have a Shimano xt rear derailleur and on the dura
ace down tube I have a micro shift short cage deraliur. Hmm 樂 I tightened
it to the point it takes effort to shift so, looks like this could be frame
flex/Rd shifter combo/ need of adjustible locktight..

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020, 9:15 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Yes, many good mechanics know how to trouble shoot friction shifters that
> wont hold gears under hard effort
>
> My thoughts are that there is one of two things going on: Either you are
> never getting it tight enough, or it is loosening itself up.
>
> The reason you may not be able to get it tight enough is that the bolt
> that threads into the downtube shifter boss is bottoming out at the bottom
> of the threaded hole.  It feels tight in your hand, because it's bottoming
> out, but it's not actually squeezing the friction bits any harder.  To test
> this, tighten it to confirm whether it is possible to make it too-tight.
> Can you tighten it to a point where the friction is clearly too firm?  If
> so, then this is not what is going on.  Alternatively remove the shifter
> entirely and install only the bolt and observe how far in you can thread it
> before it bottoms out.  See what that looks like and what it feels like.
> If you determine the bolt is bottoming out, carefully file 0.5mm off the
> end and you should be good.
>
> If you can get it tight enough, and it transitions from 'tight enough' to
> 'not tight enough' over a few shifts, then the bolt is loosening itself.
> Consider using a not-too-permanent threadlocker.  I'd start with blue
> Loctite.  Also decide if you have parts that don't fit well on the shifter
> boss that are free to wobble somewhat, and that wobbling helps auto-extract
> the bolt.
>
> If the judgement calls are difficult, find a good mechanic you trust to
> put their eyes on it.  One other contributor can be excessive friction on
> the cable at the BB.  Your hard efforts cause the cable to very slightly
> tighten and loosen as you flex the frame.  The friction between the cable
> and the housing or guides at the BB can 'win' in the tug-of-war with the
> shifter.
>
> The last thing is to question whether the return spring on your rear
> derailler is just too strong.  If you are using an RD that is clearly
> intended for index-only operation, or one with a known super-burly spring,
> you just may have a poor combo of parts.
>
> These are the things I'd go through if the bike(s) were in my stand
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito CA
>
> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 7:14:40 AM UTC-7 Sam Perez wrote:
>
>> does any one know how to trouble shoot friction shifters that wont hold
>> gears under hard effort, i have riv silver shifters and 9speed dura ace
>> down tube shifters that slip on friction mode.
>>
>> I have done the following only to have the lever loose grip after a few
>> shifts. (lots of hills)
>> -tightened the bolt (done)
>> -tightened the D ring (done)
>> -adjusted the rear  deralure (done)
>>
>> any thoughts?
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Who is using bike lights?

[Josh Brown]

Thanks for the heads up, Peter!

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020, 7:15 AM Peter White  wrote:

> I think Dinotte is out of business. In the past few months I've had
> numerous telephone calls from people telling me they placed an order
> through the Dinotte website, paid for the order, and then got nothing.
> Sounds like the payment system is still working but nothing else. They
> can't contact anybody at the company.
>
> PJW
>
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 8:35 PM Tom Horton  wrote:
>
>> I would check out dinotte lights, made in u.s.a., expensive, but very
>> bright and very durable. they make a couple amber front lights that are
>> highly visible without being too obnoxious to oncoming traffic...one can
>> even work as a headlight in full dark on the road.  I combine them with
>> dynamo lights, for which peter white's website is a good resource. I own
>> several dinottes and have used a couple for more than 6 years.  usb
>> rechargeable for the most part.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 5:55:05 PM UTC-4 Joel wrote:
>>
>>> 2 close calls in one day. My red blinking cateye is useless in
>>> daylight.  I a interested in front and back lights to help me be more
>>> visible, your thoughts and experiences are welcome.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
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[RBW] Re: ISO: Billie bars

[Nick Larson]

Found some! Thanks all.

Kai - Got an orange one coming my way. Excited as this is by far the 
largest bike Ill have owned and think it will really fit me. Chocomoose 
look sweet. This is my first swept back bar and I think the upright 
position will be very comfy.

Max - definitely up for a ride when things calm down. There's an Atlantis 
sitting in my apartment complex bike garage, that you? 

-Nick

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 11:57:42 PM UTC-4 maxcr wrote:

> Great to see another riv lover in Cambridge! I don’t have a Billie bar 
> available any longer - it’s going to be used on the upcoming Susie. Hope we 
> get to meet up for a ride with others in the northeast when things 
> normalize.
>
> Good luck with the search.
>
> Max
>
> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 7:07:20 PM UTC-6 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>> Very lovely bicycle you've got coming to you! (green or orange?), wish I 
>> had some billie bars to offer up. If you would like Billie bars but might 
>> want to be a slightly bit more forward for that killer'beam ride, you might 
>> enjoy the Chocomoose bars. I've got a pair of those but I'd never ever 
>> consider parting with them...
>> Enjoy!
>> -Kai
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 10:16:46 AM UTC-4, Nick Larson wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone got one of these for sale? Got my first riv (68 cm quickbeam) on 
>>> the way and looking get a pair of these.
>>>
>>> In the Cambridge MA area but willing to pay for ship.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Nick
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Orange Sam in the House

[Andy Beichler]

That is a beauty. Congratulations.  

On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 6:34:35 PM UTC-4, Paul in Dallas wrote:
>
> After about 16 or 17 years I have another Riv.
>
> It's an almost perfect low miles Sam from 2018 I think.
>
> It's the model with caliper brakes.
>
> It was too tall for previous owner and he barely used it.
>
> Mustache bars came on it and I switched to North Road style bars plus 
> changed derailers and few other things.
>
> Well, basically I changed everything but calipers and headset.
>
> Its definitely putting a smile on my face!
>
> Paul in Dallas 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Kickstands and Clems

[Alex K]

Double Pletscher  Installed and loving it.  Thanks for the help!!! 
 Pics to follow...
On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 10:58:37 AM UTC-7 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:

> I'm a fan of the Pletscher double and use it on my regular and currently 
> only rider (a beat up old Schwinn Traveler built as single speed with 
> 700x38(aka '42mm' Continental Speedrides) and Chocomoose bars)) but 
> one word of caution is that it will limit tire width when unengaged and in 
> the 'up position.'  It simply did not fit my 65cm Clem H with 29x2.2 
> Continental Mountain-something knobbies.  I'm guessing I never tried to 
> mount the double with the Clem's stock Kendas and likely just kept the 
> stock kickstand on until after I had swapped the tires... but when I tried 
> it did contact the edge of the wider knobby tires.
>
> I suppose I could file the kickstand plate bolt hole to allow some side to 
> side offset and this is certainly an option but I just put the double back 
> on the Schwinn and I ultimately went back to the stock single leg kickstand 
> for the Clem which has a more generous outward bend to allow as big a tire 
> as the frame seems to fit without further manipulation.  I'll likely 
> revisit the kickstand plate modification when my Clem eventually comes back 
> home to reclaim its status as my main bike.  It has unfortunately been in 
> storage since fall/winter and the pandemic/family/work/life has pushed bike 
> swaps far to the bottom of the list.
>
> Brian Cole
> Lawrence, NJ
>
>
> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 1:04:50 PM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> I have the double on my Clem L, which has seen some heavy grocery loads 
>> in the back o bike bags--I would guestimate north of 30lbs total. Nothing 
>> on the front rack yet (still basketless at the moment.) Recommended.
>>
>> On Thursday, August 20, 2020 at 10:16:46 AM UTC-4, Alex K wrote:
>>>
>>> Just got my Clem L rolling and I'm pretty smitten.  The handling on 
>>> curves and general comfort level are fairly astounding.  I do have a Nitto 
>>> Campee 34F with a hardware-less Wald 157 basket mounted on the front for 
>>> larger loads (laundry, pizza, etc.). What I'm wondering here is if anyone 
>>> has any experience with the double kickstand on a heavier/loaded bike.  I 
>>> didn't love the single Pletscher kickstand that came with the bike and am 
>>> considering a Pletscher or Velo Orange double stand.  Any thoughts?  Thanks 
>>> for reading.  
>>> Alex
>>>
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[RBW] Albatross/bar ends...what grips

[mikemike]

I recall seeing a slotted handgrip when using albatross bars and bar ends 
so the housing is out of the way of the grip. can anybody point me to these 
or suggest another method

mike goldman
rhode island

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Re: [RBW] WTB Brooks B67 preferably brown or honey.

[Sam Perez]

i can send some pictures  this afternoon.

On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 8:02 AM Nathan Mattia 
wrote:

> Looking for a brown Brooks B67
>
> Please let me know if you have one for sale!
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Re: [RBW] Re: While we wait for our Platypus Bikes...

[Sam Perez]

what does the platypus look like ? i dont see it on the website



On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 1:30 PM 'Hetchins52' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Magnificent! A highly mobile art piece!
> I must buy one of these bikes just to prominently display the head badge.
> And, for my own viewing pleasure.
>
> Thank you Olivier!
>
> David Lipsky
> Berkeley, CA
>
>
> On Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 10:11:38 AM UTC-7, Olivier Chételat wrote:
>>
>> ...and some additional material for those still waiting for a Platypus by
>> way of sample badge.
>> Save a few refinements, you are looking at the 99.83% final version.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Good wishes for those on list affected by CA wildfires

[Cyclofiend Jim]

Thank you Patrick and others. This has been a tough week. Air Quality has 
mostly been good in our neck of the woods, but drops in the evening as the 
wind shifts here north of SF and the smoke starts to lay into our area. 
We've seen >200 a few times via Purple Air, and there's not much to do but 
hang inside and keep everything closed. I've had a sore throat all week. 

A friend texted me images from his place near the LNU Complex fire. He had 
been lost everything but the stuff he had in his truck. 

I used to really like late summer and early fall, but now, it's a definite 
time of stress.

Be safe everyone.

- Jim


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[RBW] Re: 55cm Canti Sam Clearance?

[Andrew Nussbaum]

Nathan, thanks. I've seen people running 50mm fenders elsewhere and that 
gave me some hope. Like you, I'll be interested to see if this new 
iteration clears bigger tires. I also hope its canti-compatible. 

Ash, somehow there's always more room in the garage

On Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 5:48:58 PM UTC-6, Ash wrote:
>
> I am secretly hoping that the next Sam would be made for wider tires (and 
> ever so slightly longer chain-stay).  There's no space in the garage for 
> another bike, but I'll somehow make space in the living room if there is 
> going to be a 51cm Sam that can run 650bx2.15 Almotions :)
>
>
> On Wednesday, 26 August 2020 at 14:49:49 UTC-7 Nathan F wrote:
>
>> I run 43mm Gravelkings on my 55 canti sam w/fenders and they fit fine. I 
>> think the 50mm would probably squeeze in (assuming they are a slick tire, 
>> and not knobby), but you'd be leaving very little room for any debris. That 
>> might be an issue if your wheel is ever slightly out of true or dish. And I 
>> probably wouldn't ride off road with them.
>>
>> There hasn't been word about whether the new run of Sams will be 
>> identical to the last. The current trend seems to be more and more 
>> clearance in each model year, so you may be in luck.
>>
>> Nathan in PDX
>>
>> On Wednesday, 26 August 2020 07:55:02 UTC-7, Andrew Nussbaum wrote:
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> I am slowly coming to the realization that my 58cm Toyo Atlantis might 
>>> be a smidgen too large for me. So I am considering buying one of the run of 
>>> Sams that are coming this fall if they have canti posts. My hope would be 
>>> to largely swap over all of my Atlantis build to the Sam (and selling the 
>>> Atlantis frameset here). One question I have is about tire clearance. Riv 
>>> says  that the 700c 55cm Sam 
>>> fits 47mm tires, but I would like to squeeze in my 50mm Gravel Kings. Has 
>>> anyone had success with getting slightly larger tires onto their Sam?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Good wishes for those on list affected by CA wildfires

[MoVelo]

Greetings to those who have had to suffer thru the smokey haze of these 
wildfires. I am sending my rain dance wishes to you all. In the meantime 
wear your masks.

On Wednesday, August 26, 2020 at 8:36:25 PM UTC-5 Bill Gibson wrote:

> All week the smoke from California has made the sun copper and the sky 
> pastel orange all day. Sending hope and rain your way. From Arizona.
> Bill Gibson
> Tempe, Arizona, USA
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>
> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 1:14 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> I cut short a ride yesterday because the air felt smokey and affected my 
>> sinuses and eyes, even tho' the official particle report was "moderate". 
>> The air had been smokey for a couple of days with a "warning" in force 
>> until mid-day yesterday. Today was fine.
>>
>> Fire near Santa Fe, and smoke from Phoenix; dammit, Phoenix, keep your 
>> smoke to yourselves.
>>
>> The local "news" reported a local "be ready to evacuate" order, though 
>> intended only "in general." We're certainly dry, and I live next door to 
>> the bosque, which they are patrolling by helicopter, but no fire seems 
>> imminent, thank God. 
>>
>> Again, good luck to those in California Warming.
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 26, 2020 at 11:42 AM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>>> The air is just miserable here in Novato with an AQI of 155. Yesterday 
>>> we were getting blowing smoke that made it seem like something was on fire 
>>> just down the street, but it was the wind from Point Reyes.
>>>
>>> I can't emphasize enough that you guys can't be out in this. I've seen 
>>> several reports around the onlines of people trying to ride or run and this 
>>> is just not a good plan, we all need to be inside with windows closed as 
>>> much as possible. Listen to your pal Joe!
>>>
>> ---
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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