date:20200903

Totally! The braze ons are crazy. including the 3 sets of bottle bosses, 
there are 22 attachment points! I really liked having the two main triangle 
bottles and the under down tube one. Never thought I'd have need for three 
bottles of water...now I can't imagine doing without!

Wherever that picture was taken is PERFECT Atlantis territory. That peak in 
the back is calling!

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 8:51:18 PM UTC-6, Mike Godwin wrote:
>
> Man, that looks like the one I had, 61 cm. Received in trade for a 61 cm 
> Roadeo frame. It has all the brazeons of an Appaloosa, but not the 
> wheelbase or extra top tube. I think the chainstays are about 1 inch longer 
> than normal. In this photo tires are Soma Supple Vitesse 700x48, fenders 
> take up some space in the chainstay bb area
>
> Mike SLO CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: First ride, Atlantis

Thanks Roberta.  The Atlantis is very nice, different for me as I missed
when Riv started with the longer chainstays.  I wanted an Appaloosa but the
standover is slightly more and I went with fit, same with Homer vs. Sam,
the Sam May be a tad better fit, it may be similar   to my Bleriot but fit
better but I am not sure I want to part with the Bleriot and 2 bikes is
enough for me.

My knee is now 2 years but it has been slow to heal up, still have
stiffness but riding has given me my thighs and calves back, that made my
wife happy.  I know that riding has made the knee better, talked to the doc
about it yesterday on the 2 year visit.  Everyone heals differently and I
will do about anything to avoid getting the left one done, not any fun for
me.

Thanks for your feedback,

Joel



On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 9:56 PM Roberta  wrote:

> I'm so glad your first Atlantis ride was a positive one for you and the
> bike, but not for your now ex-mechanic.  The very first Riv I tried was an
> Atlantis and it was such an "OMG" experience.  It is an awesome bike and
> and I hope you get lots of miles from it and your new knee.  Love it with
> the saddle color and matching XS saddle sack.
>
> My Joe A. rides similar to your Atlantis.  I did test a Sam and as I
> recall, it rode different enough to notice.   I would say that the Joe A
> and the one time I rode the Atlantis felt more like Leah's Clem H and Clem
> L than it did to the Sam.  I know you're looking for a second bike, and I
> have the feeling the Sam will fit what you're looking for and will make a
> nice compliment to your Atlantis.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 7:48:43 PM UTC-4, Joel wrote:
>>
>>
>> Thanks Jason.  I’m not in a hurry but I do like to go for rides where it
>> is not casual, if you know what I mean.  I just did a ton of measurements.
>> I was spoiled as my old bike guy had all my numbers written down and my
>> tweaking was always minimal.  I gave this guy, a nice guy, mu seat height,
>> how high I like the bars over the saddle, He even measured where the brake
>> lever were placed on the albatross on the Bleriot.  All were off.  Now it
>> really is my fault, I should have checked before I rode, so now I have the
>> saddle and bar height correct and only minor tweaking will be needed.
>>
>> I was really surprised by how much the bar sloped vs the Bleriot, but in
>> a few rides I should have it nailed down.
>>
>> The steering is slower, or less sensitive, what I wanted, so that pleases
>> me.
>>
>> I believe in a few more rides I will have it dialed in.
>>
>> Joel
>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 5:41 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:
>>
>>> I don't doubt it feels quite a bit slower!  But I bet it will ride so
>>> much better with a load than the Bleriot.  I'm amazed just how much slower
>>> my Clem is vs. my Hillborne. It's a huge difference, well beyond tires, and
>>> honestly it's kind of surprising. I imagine the Atlantis is closer to the
>>> Clem than the Hillborne. Certainly made to achieve different goals though.
>>> That build is gorgeous looking and looks like a great all-rounder as long
>>> as you're not in too much of a hurry.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Delight us with your 2020 Clems!

You are very kind.  Thank you.

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 10:19:37 PM UTC-4, Flowerfang wrote:
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>
> You are so great Roberta.
> Just saying 
> :)
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 7:04 PM Roberta > 
> wrote:
>
>> This is such a wonderful thread because the bikes are beautiful and I can 
>> hear everyone's excitement.  
>>
>> Eric, my mini triangle covered up a light, so I just cut a hole in the 
>> mesh and now the light shines thru and I still have my triangle.  Perhaps 
>> your flying man is under the mesh part of the triangle?
>>
>> Roberta
>>
>> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 5:03:35 PM UTC-4, EricP wrote:
>>>
>>> After a couple of days hemming and hawing, decided to go back to the 
>>> saddlebag rack I initially tried. Nothing wrong with the Pletscher, just 
>>> wanted something different. So, this is pretty close to final. Unless I 
>>> change up saddles again. Only differences from earlier are a Cygolite 
>>> headlight on a Gino Mount, , Cygolite tail light, Brooks Cambium C17, mini 
>>> reflective triangle, and Sackville hub shiner. Only bummer is the 
>>> reflective triangle covers up the Rivendell flying man patch on the 
>>> external pouch. 
>>>
>>> Still might add a bell. And down the line may swap out the trigger 
>>> shifter to something else. Oh, and different tires. But that's for next 
>>> year. No rush now. Want to just ride the bike. And enjoy.
>>>
>>> Eric Platt
>>> St. Paul, MN
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 9:00:47 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Clems built in 2020 totally count, Mark and David. I have a 2019 Clem, 
 too, so I’m especially sympathetic.  I mostly specified so we can see the 
 latest iteration of Clem, but I think the 2019 model is nearly identical 
 to 
 the 2020.

 Carry on!

 Sent from my iPad

 On Sep 3, 2020, at 6:10 AM, David Carner  wrote:

 

 I guess I am guilty of the same faux pas. My heavy duty build was not 
 completed until well into 2020, but the frame is from the 2019 batch.
 Apologies, 
 David

 On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 9:17:17 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:

> Another oops. I colored outside the lines! It only now dawns on me 
> that you were soliciting Clems from the latest batch, which of course 
> makes 
> sense. And there I go on about my old outdated 2019. But I didn't build 
> it 
> until well into 2020. And nobody had responded, so I suppose I can be 
> credited with getting the ball rolling. I will pay more attention next 
> time. Lots of nice new Clems out there!
>
>
> On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 3:52:18 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
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>>  The Clementine (that’s what I call my 2019 Clem L) 
>>
> On Aug 30, 2020, at 7:53 AM, kim young  wrote:
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[RBW] Has anyone ridden the Platypus demo bike that can offer an opinion?

Not that I need another bike (I have Joe Appaloosa for home and A. Homer 
Hilsen for office rides), but I'd love to get a mixte for my retirement 
bike, which is actually years away.  But I love the look of the Platypus 
with its glorious sweeping lines, so am considering it now.  Especially if 
it comes in RWB blue!

We all know how popular bikes are getting and how quickly Rivendell 
pre-sells its frames.So, I (and I'm sure many of you) are considering 
jumping on the pre-sale website for the Platypus as soon as it's up.  That 
means I (we) need to do research now.

Has anyone taken the sample bike on a long enough ride to describe the 
feel?  Did you find it stiff (I found the Cheviot stiff compared to the 
other Riv's) or lively (my AHH is lively) or solid, dependable and dreamy 
(my Joe A and the Atlantis).  Or, something else?  Or, did a miss a 
discussion on this already (I've been working a lot)?

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[RBW] Has anyone ridden the Playpus that can offer opinion?

Not that I need another bike (I have Joe Appaloosa for home and A. Homer 
Hilsen for office rides), but I'd love to get a mixte for my retirement 
bike, which is actually years away.  But I love the look of the Platypus 
with its glorious sweeping lines, so am considering it now.  Especially if 
it comes in RWB blue!

We all know how popular bikes are getting and how quickly Rivendell 
pre-sells its frames.So, I (and I'm sure many of you) are considering 
jumping on the pre-sale website for the Platypus as soon as it's up.  That 
means I (we) need to do research now.

Has anyone taken the sample bike on a long enough ride to describe the 
feel?  Did you find it stiff (I found the Cheviot stiff compared to the 
other Riv's) or lively (my AHH is lively) or solid, dependable and dreamy 
(my Joe A and the Atlantis).  Or, something else?  Or, did a miss a 
discussion on this already (I've been working a lot)?

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Re: [RBW] Re: First ride, Atlantis

Doug, I think it is very similar to the one I have and it lists liters,
etc.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 9:05 PM dougP  wrote:

> Thanks Joel.  I love Acorn's stuff & have one of their early rando bags.
> Great construction.  But their smallest saddlebag was a bit larger than I
> wanted, so the Sackville may be just the way to go.  The measurements help
> a lot.  I'll dig into it.
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 4:56:40 PM UTC-7, Joel wrote:
>>
>> Doug, thanks.  The bag is what was called the Kevin bag years ago.  I
>> sold a new one some years back on the forum.  I think the Sackville small
>> bag is basically the same.  I don’t know how many liters but it is smaller
>> than the Acorn small bag.
>>
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bags/products/sackville-saddlesack-xsmall-olive-20130
>>
>> The measurements are a bit different but close.  Mine is 7W x 4.5 D X 4
>> 1/4 H
>> That is without stuffing, you can push it a bit.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 7:10 PM dougP  wrote:
>>
>>> Joel:
>>>
>>> Great looking bike & I know you'll enjoy it.  I too have an Atlantis &
>>> it's my 95% of riding.  BTW, what is that saddlebag?  I'm looking for
>>> something that's small & tidy like that, just for spare, tools, lock, just
>>> the small stuff.  Do you know how many liters it is?
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 1:03:18 PM UTC-7, Joel wrote:

 The first ride was interesting, I had to stop a few times to make
 tweaks.  So this will be the last time I use this mechanic.  First he
 wasn’t sure how to wrap the bars, ok, I can do that, and probably better as
 I may move the levers a bit.  The brake pads were rubbing and I had him
 loosen the fit a bit, ok, that can happen.  About 1/2 mile from home I
 stopped to check something and the rear break sounded like an elephant,
 that has worked itself out pretty much but the front still is loud.  The
 bars, they were not tightened enough and that almost caused a problem with
 that first stop.  The pics won’t reflect where the bars are set now but
 higher than in the outside pic of the bike alone, I was wondering why my
 hands were hurting.

 The ride is very different than the Bleriot, a bit more sure footed,
 not twitchy at all.  Feels slower but he bike is different and the tires
 are 48’s vs. 42’s.  The bike fit is very good, longer stem than the
 Bleriot, longer TT, I am actually surprised that it did not feel much
 longer.  I could hold the bars at the ends which is too upright for me on
 the Bleriot.

 It felt like I was working harder, my legs told me that but I think
 part of that was the many tweaks I had to stop and do.

 I won’t ride for one or more days as I will be getting a Coolief
 treatment on my left knee tomorrow morning, like Radio Frequency Ablation
 but a bit cooler process.  I do not want another TKR.

 So tonight I may wrap the bars now that I know the squeaky brakes will
 work themselves out and I will not be changing them, and the stem length
 seems good, and  put a rear rack on.

 More to come I am sure.

 Joel

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[RBW] Re: Front derailleur for Hubbah tandem with Silver tandem crankset?

2020-09-03 Thread Nick Payne

Shimano clamp-on MTB FDs all come with a 34.9mm clamp and two sets of shims 
- one set to fit 31.8mm seat tube and the other to fit 28.6mm.

Nick

On Friday, 4 September 2020 11:09:09 UTC+10, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> Assembling my tandem and whoops. Forgot a few little bits.
>
> I called Rivendell today and they recommended 118 bottom brackets  and an 
> XT FD  M781 Ax6s front derailleur for the Silver Riv tandem crankset. They 
> don't have any more of these derailleurs, but I found some on eBay. Just 
> need to know, am I looking for a 31.8 or 34.9 clamp? And do those extra 
> letters and number (Ax6s) designate anything? Google is not saying.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Delight us with your 2020 Clems!

2020-09-03 Thread kim young

You are so great Roberta.
Just saying
:)


On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 7:04 PM Roberta  wrote:

> This is such a wonderful thread because the bikes are beautiful and I can
> hear everyone's excitement.
>
> Eric, my mini triangle covered up a light, so I just cut a hole in the
> mesh and now the light shines thru and I still have my triangle.  Perhaps
> your flying man is under the mesh part of the triangle?
>
> Roberta
>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 5:03:35 PM UTC-4, EricP wrote:
>>
>> After a couple of days hemming and hawing, decided to go back to the
>> saddlebag rack I initially tried. Nothing wrong with the Pletscher, just
>> wanted something different. So, this is pretty close to final. Unless I
>> change up saddles again. Only differences from earlier are a Cygolite
>> headlight on a Gino Mount, , Cygolite tail light, Brooks Cambium C17, mini
>> reflective triangle, and Sackville hub shiner. Only bummer is the
>> reflective triangle covers up the Rivendell flying man patch on the
>> external pouch.
>>
>> Still might add a bell. And down the line may swap out the trigger
>> shifter to something else. Oh, and different tires. But that's for next
>> year. No rush now. Want to just ride the bike. And enjoy.
>>
>> Eric Platt
>> St. Paul, MN
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 9:00:47 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Clems built in 2020 totally count, Mark and David. I have a 2019 Clem,
>>> too, so I’m especially sympathetic.  I mostly specified so we can see the
>>> latest iteration of Clem, but I think the 2019 model is nearly identical to
>>> the 2020.
>>>
>>> Carry on!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Sep 3, 2020, at 6:10 AM, David Carner  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> I guess I am guilty of the same faux pas. My heavy duty build was not
>>> completed until well into 2020, but the frame is from the 2019 batch.
>>> Apologies,
>>> David
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 9:17:17 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
 Another oops. I colored outside the lines! It only now dawns on me that
 you were soliciting Clems from the latest batch, which of course makes
 sense. And there I go on about my old outdated 2019. But I didn't build it
 until well into 2020. And nobody had responded, so I suppose I can be
 credited with getting the ball rolling. I will pay more attention next
 time. Lots of nice new Clems out there!


 On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 3:52:18 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding
 Ding! wrote:

>  The Clementine (that’s what I call my 2019 Clem L)
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Delight us with your 2020 Clems!

This is such a wonderful thread because the bikes are beautiful and I can 
hear everyone's excitement.  

Eric, my mini triangle covered up a light, so I just cut a hole in the mesh 
and now the light shines thru and I still have my triangle.  Perhaps your 
flying man is under the mesh part of the triangle?

Roberta

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 5:03:35 PM UTC-4, EricP wrote:
>
> After a couple of days hemming and hawing, decided to go back to the 
> saddlebag rack I initially tried. Nothing wrong with the Pletscher, just 
> wanted something different. So, this is pretty close to final. Unless I 
> change up saddles again. Only differences from earlier are a Cygolite 
> headlight on a Gino Mount, , Cygolite tail light, Brooks Cambium C17, mini 
> reflective triangle, and Sackville hub shiner. Only bummer is the 
> reflective triangle covers up the Rivendell flying man patch on the 
> external pouch. 
>
> Still might add a bell. And down the line may swap out the trigger shifter 
> to something else. Oh, and different tires. But that's for next year. No 
> rush now. Want to just ride the bike. And enjoy.
>
> Eric Platt
> St. Paul, MN
>
>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 9:00:47 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Clems built in 2020 totally count, Mark and David. I have a 2019 Clem, 
>> too, so I’m especially sympathetic.  I mostly specified so we can see the 
>> latest iteration of Clem, but I think the 2019 model is nearly identical to 
>> the 2020.
>>
>> Carry on!
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Sep 3, 2020, at 6:10 AM, David Carner  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> I guess I am guilty of the same faux pas. My heavy duty build was not 
>> completed until well into 2020, but the frame is from the 2019 batch.
>> Apologies, 
>> David
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 9:17:17 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>> Another oops. I colored outside the lines! It only now dawns on me that 
>>> you were soliciting Clems from the latest batch, which of course makes 
>>> sense. And there I go on about my old outdated 2019. But I didn't build it 
>>> until well into 2020. And nobody had responded, so I suppose I can be 
>>> credited with getting the ball rolling. I will pay more attention next 
>>> time. Lots of nice new Clems out there!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 3:52:18 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
  The Clementine (that’s what I call my 2019 Clem L) 

>>> On Aug 30, 2020, at 7:53 AM, kim young  wrote:


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Re: [RBW] Re: First ride, Atlantis

I'm so glad your first Atlantis ride was a positive one for you and the 
bike, but not for your now ex-mechanic.  The very first Riv I tried was an 
Atlantis and it was such an "OMG" experience.  It is an awesome bike and 
and I hope you get lots of miles from it and your new knee.  Love it with 
the saddle color and matching XS saddle sack.

My Joe A. rides similar to your Atlantis.  I did test a Sam and as I 
recall, it rode different enough to notice.   I would say that the Joe A 
and the one time I rode the Atlantis felt more like Leah's Clem H and Clem 
L than it did to the Sam.  I know you're looking for a second bike, and I 
have the feeling the Sam will fit what you're looking for and will make a 
nice compliment to your Atlantis. 

Roberta

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 7:48:43 PM UTC-4, Joel wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Jason.  I’m not in a hurry but I do like to go for rides where it 
> is not casual, if you know what I mean.  I just did a ton of measurements.  
> I was spoiled as my old bike guy had all my numbers written down and my 
> tweaking was always minimal.  I gave this guy, a nice guy, mu seat height, 
> how high I like the bars over the saddle, He even measured where the brake 
> lever were placed on the albatross on the Bleriot.  All were off.  Now it 
> really is my fault, I should have checked before I rode, so now I have the 
> saddle and bar height correct and only minor tweaking will be needed.  
>
> I was really surprised by how much the bar sloped vs the Bleriot, but in a 
> few rides I should have it nailed down.  
>
> The steering is slower, or less sensitive, what I wanted, so that pleases 
> me. 
>
> I believe in a few more rides I will have it dialed in.
>
> Joel 
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 5:41 PM Jason Fuller  > wrote:
>
>> I don't doubt it feels quite a bit slower!  But I bet it will ride so 
>> much better with a load than the Bleriot.  I'm amazed just how much slower 
>> my Clem is vs. my Hillborne. It's a huge difference, well beyond tires, and 
>> honestly it's kind of surprising. I imagine the Atlantis is closer to the 
>> Clem than the Hillborne. Certainly made to achieve different goals though.  
>> That build is gorgeous looking and looks like a great all-rounder as long 
>> as you're not in too much of a hurry.  
>>
>>  
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Re: [RBW] Front derailleur for Hubbah tandem with Silver tandem crankset?

2020-09-03 Thread Robert Tilley

I used the M781 on my HHH. Mine came with shims so it would fit multiple sized tubes. The size needed is 31.8 since that is what my seat tube measures. No item number but the description on mine read "Shimano FD-M781 High Clamp Front" .Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device From: absolutegal...@gmail.comSent: September 3, 2020 6:09 PMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Front derailleur for Hubbah tandem with Silver tandem crankset? Assembling my tandem and whoops. Forgot a few little bits.I called Rivendell today and they recommended 118 bottom brackets and an XT FD M781 Ax6s front derailleur for the Silver Riv tandem crankset. They don't have any more of these derailleurs, but I found some on eBay. Just need to know, am I looking for a 31.8 or 34.9 clamp? And do those extra letters and number (Ax6s) designate anything? Google is not saying.

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[RBW] Front derailleur for Hubbah tandem with Silver tandem crankset?

2020-09-03 Thread Mark Roland

Assembling my tandem and whoops. Forgot a few little bits.

I called Rivendell today and they recommended 118 bottom brackets  and an 
XT FD  M781 Ax6s front derailleur for the Silver Riv tandem crankset. They 
don't have any more of these derailleurs, but I found some on eBay. Just 
need to know, am I looking for a 31.8 or 34.9 clamp? And do those extra 
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Re: [RBW] Re: First ride, Atlantis

Thanks Joel.  I love Acorn's stuff & have one of their early rando bags.  
Great construction.  But their smallest saddlebag was a bit larger than I 
wanted, so the Sackville may be just the way to go.  The measurements help 
a lot.  I'll dig into it.

dougP

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 4:56:40 PM UTC-7, Joel wrote:
>
> Doug, thanks.  The bag is what was called the Kevin bag years ago.  I sold 
> a new one some years back on the forum.  I think the Sackville small bag is 
> basically the same.  I don’t know how many liters but it is smaller than 
> the Acorn small bag. 
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bags/products/sackville-saddlesack-xsmall-olive-20130
>
> The measurements are a bit different but close.  Mine is 7W x 4.5 D X 4 
> 1/4 H
> That is without stuffing, you can push it a bit.  
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 7:10 PM dougP > 
> wrote:
>
>> Joel:
>>
>> Great looking bike & I know you'll enjoy it.  I too have an Atlantis & 
>> it's my 95% of riding.  BTW, what is that saddlebag?  I'm looking for 
>> something that's small & tidy like that, just for spare, tools, lock, just 
>> the small stuff.  Do you know how many liters it is?
>>
>> dougP
>>
>> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 1:03:18 PM UTC-7, Joel wrote:
>>>
>>> The first ride was interesting, I had to stop a few times to make 
>>> tweaks.  So this will be the last time I use this mechanic.  First he 
>>> wasn’t sure how to wrap the bars, ok, I can do that, and probably better as 
>>> I may move the levers a bit.  The brake pads were rubbing and I had him 
>>> loosen the fit a bit, ok, that can happen.  About 1/2 mile from home I 
>>> stopped to check something and the rear break sounded like an elephant, 
>>> that has worked itself out pretty much but the front still is loud.  The 
>>> bars, they were not tightened enough and that almost caused a problem with 
>>> that first stop.  The pics won’t reflect where the bars are set now but 
>>> higher than in the outside pic of the bike alone, I was wondering why my 
>>> hands were hurting.  
>>>
>>> The ride is very different than the Bleriot, a bit more sure footed, not 
>>> twitchy at all.  Feels slower but he bike is different and the tires are 
>>> 48’s vs. 42’s.  The bike fit is very good, longer stem than the Bleriot, 
>>> longer TT, I am actually surprised that it did not feel much longer.  I 
>>> could hold the bars at the ends which is too upright for me on the Bleriot. 
>>>
>>> It felt like I was working harder, my legs told me that but I think part 
>>> of that was the many tweaks I had to stop and do.  
>>>
>>> I won’t ride for one or more days as I will be getting a Coolief 
>>> treatment on my left knee tomorrow morning, like Radio Frequency Ablation 
>>> but a bit cooler process.  I do not want another TKR.  
>>>
>>> So tonight I may wrap the bars now that I know the squeaky brakes will 
>>> work themselves out and I will not be changing them, and the stem length 
>>> seems good, and  put a rear rack on. 
>>>
>>> More to come I am sure. 
>>>
>>> Joel
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] First ride, Atlantis

2020-09-03 Thread True Golden

Joel,  it's a great looking machine!
It looks like one of you're tweaks was moving the ends of the bar up from the 
downward tilt.
What bar tape will you use?
I'm still tweaking my Sam.
I expect those tires absorb up the bumps very well.
Did you go with Standard,  Endurance  or Extralight?
I too really like that rear bag.
Are you going to add a build list to the thread?

Congrats and enjoy!

Paul in Dallas 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Atlantis 54.5 Frame/Fork + partial build - $1400

OK...I remounted wheels and got out the string and level.

This IS a 54.5cm frame. Accounting for the slope, the effective TT is 56. 
Actual TT 54.5 c-c. Seat tube 53 c-c / 54.5 c-t



On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 6:40:51 PM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> I believe there was a 650B Waterford Atlantis for a very short time before 
> Riv stopped production then did the MIT frame, but most Waterfords will be 
> 26" or 700C. 
>
> Your frame looks like a 54.5 to me, my guess is you need to level your 
> tape out get a true TT number. The actual tube will measure less.
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Atlantis 54.5 Frame/Fork + partial build - $1400

I believe there was a 650B Waterford Atlantis for a very short time before 
Riv stopped production then did the MIT frame, but most Waterfords will be 
26" or 700C. 

Your frame looks like a 54.5 to me, my guess is you need to level your tape 
out get a true TT number. The actual tube will measure less. 

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 5:27:57 PM UTC-7 jinxed wrote:

> Huh. According to the geo chart I linked, there is only 26" listed for the 
> 54.5cm frame? But I happened to notice some other conflicting info on there 
> too, so lets clarify:
>
> 26" Wheels on this one
>
> Physical measurements of THIS frame:
> 54.5cm Top tube measured center to center 
> 54.5cm center to top
>
> Could we argue this is a 53??
> I understood Rivendell sizing was listed as the seat tube center to top? 
> Is this wrong??
>
> The measurements of this frame feel very "ish" compared to that chart 
> after closer inspection.
>
>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 5:14:09 PM UTC-6, dougP wrote:
>>
>> Brad:
>>
>> What wheel size?  In that frame size, Atlantis have been made for 26" & 
>> 650B.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Atlantis 54.5 Frame/Fork + partial build - $1400

Huh. According to the geo chart I linked, there is only 26" listed for the 
54.5cm frame? But I happened to notice some other conflicting info on there 
too, so lets clarify:

26" Wheels on this one

Physical measurements of THIS frame:
54.5cm Top tube measured center to center 
54.5cm center to top

Could we argue this is a 53??
I understood Rivendell sizing was listed as the seat tube center to top? Is 
this wrong??

The measurements of this frame feel very "ish" compared to that chart after 
closer inspection.

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 5:14:09 PM UTC-6, dougP wrote:
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> Brad:
>
> What wheel size?  In that frame size, Atlantis have been made for 26" & 
> 650B.  
>
> dougP
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

I like the Sam H a lot, if I do decide to sell the Bleriot I would want a
Sam because from all I have gathered it would be a great fit in 51cm for
me.  The Homer May be a tad taller from I information I have gathered from
a forum member.  Also, nice to have one with a shorter chainstays as well.

All great bikes though.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 5:51 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> I do sometimes wonder if I shouldn't have went with the Homer for the
> lighter tubing, but the Sam is by no means sluggish or heavy feeling for
> having the stouter tubes of the two. I have mine built up pretty
> lightweight (for what it is), it's around 27 lbs with accessories but no
> bags. I came off a very light tubing bike, the Soma Grand Rando, and the
> Hillborne doesn't feel much slower to be honest, if at all!  It's
> definitely smoother, which is surprising given the stronger tubing. I think
> the geo just puts me in the perfect place between the wheels.
>
> I do long distance road rides on the Hillborne and while it might do me
> well to have a bit of a lighter tubed bike in those cases, it's really nice
> to be able to also strap a bunch of weight to the same bike (or ride rough
> roads and trails) without worry!  I do these rides with people on full road
> bikes sometimes and I don't feel the bike holds me back more than maybe
> 3%.
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[RBW] max tire size - Canti Rom

2020-09-03 Thread J Schwartz

Curious if anyone knows the max comfy tire size for a Canti-Rom. (700c)
The non-canti version takes 38's according to the original brochure.
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Re: [RBW] Re: First ride, Atlantis

Doug, thanks.  The bag is what was called the Kevin bag years ago.  I sold
a new one some years back on the forum.  I think the Sackville small bag is
basically the same.  I don’t know how many liters but it is smaller than
the Acorn small bag.

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/bags/products/sackville-saddlesack-xsmall-olive-20130

The measurements are a bit different but close.  Mine is 7W x 4.5 D X 4 1/4
H
That is without stuffing, you can push it a bit.



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> Joel:
>
> Great looking bike & I know you'll enjoy it.  I too have an Atlantis &
> it's my 95% of riding.  BTW, what is that saddlebag?  I'm looking for
> something that's small & tidy like that, just for spare, tools, lock, just
> the small stuff.  Do you know how many liters it is?
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 1:03:18 PM UTC-7, Joel wrote:
>>
>> The first ride was interesting, I had to stop a few times to make
>> tweaks.  So this will be the last time I use this mechanic.  First he
>> wasn’t sure how to wrap the bars, ok, I can do that, and probably better as
>> I may move the levers a bit.  The brake pads were rubbing and I had him
>> loosen the fit a bit, ok, that can happen.  About 1/2 mile from home I
>> stopped to check something and the rear break sounded like an elephant,
>> that has worked itself out pretty much but the front still is loud.  The
>> bars, they were not tightened enough and that almost caused a problem with
>> that first stop.  The pics won’t reflect where the bars are set now but
>> higher than in the outside pic of the bike alone, I was wondering why my
>> hands were hurting.
>>
>> The ride is very different than the Bleriot, a bit more sure footed, not
>> twitchy at all.  Feels slower but he bike is different and the tires are
>> 48’s vs. 42’s.  The bike fit is very good, longer stem than the Bleriot,
>> longer TT, I am actually surprised that it did not feel much longer.  I
>> could hold the bars at the ends which is too upright for me on the Bleriot.
>>
>> It felt like I was working harder, my legs told me that but I think part
>> of that was the many tweaks I had to stop and do.
>>
>> I won’t ride for one or more days as I will be getting a Coolief
>> treatment on my left knee tomorrow morning, like Radio Frequency Ablation
>> but a bit cooler process.  I do not want another TKR.
>>
>> So tonight I may wrap the bars now that I know the squeaky brakes will
>> work themselves out and I will not be changing them, and the stem length
>> seems good, and  put a rear rack on.
>>
>> More to come I am sure.
>>
>> Joel
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: First ride, Atlantis

Thanks Joe.  Three color is much nicer in person than on the Riv site (just
my opinion).

On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 6:02 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> That's a good looking bike, Joel! I love the way the Atlantis color pops
> in the sun.
>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 1:03:18 PM UTC-7 Joel wrote:
>
>> The first ride was interesting, I had to stop a few times to make
>> tweaks.  So this will be the last time I use this mechanic.  First he
>> wasn’t sure how to wrap the bars, ok, I can do that, and probably better as
>> I may move the levers a bit.  The brake pads were rubbing and I had him
>> loosen the fit a bit, ok, that can happen.  About 1/2 mile from home I
>> stopped to check something and the rear break sounded like an elephant,
>> that has worked itself out pretty much but the front still is loud.  The
>> bars, they were not tightened enough and that almost caused a problem with
>> that first stop.  The pics won’t reflect where the bars are set now but
>> higher than in the outside pic of the bike alone, I was wondering why my
>> hands were hurting.
>>
>> The ride is very different than the Bleriot, a bit more sure footed, not
>> twitchy at all.  Feels slower but he bike is different and the tires are
>> 48’s vs. 42’s.  The bike fit is very good, longer stem than the Bleriot,
>> longer TT, I am actually surprised that it did not feel much longer.  I
>> could hold the bars at the ends which is too upright for me on the Bleriot.
>>
>> It felt like I was working harder, my legs told me that but I think part
>> of that was the many tweaks I had to stop and do.
>>
>> I won’t ride for one or more days as I will be getting a Coolief
>> treatment on my left knee tomorrow morning, like Radio Frequency Ablation
>> but a bit cooler process.  I do not want another TKR.
>>
>> So tonight I may wrap the bars now that I know the squeaky brakes will
>> work themselves out and I will not be changing them, and the stem length
>> seems good, and  put a rear rack on.
>>
>> More to come I am sure.
>>
>> Joel
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: First ride, Atlantis

Thanks Jason.  I’m not in a hurry but I do like to go for rides where it is
not casual, if you know what I mean.  I just did a ton of measurements.  I
was spoiled as my old bike guy had all my numbers written down and my
tweaking was always minimal.  I gave this guy, a nice guy, mu seat height,
how high I like the bars over the saddle, He even measured where the brake
lever were placed on the albatross on the Bleriot.  All were off.  Now it
really is my fault, I should have checked before I rode, so now I have the
saddle and bar height correct and only minor tweaking will be needed.

I was really surprised by how much the bar sloped vs the Bleriot, but in a
few rides I should have it nailed down.

The steering is slower, or less sensitive, what I wanted, so that pleases
me.

I believe in a few more rides I will have it dialed in.

Joel
On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 5:41 PM Jason Fuller  wrote:

> I don't doubt it feels quite a bit slower!  But I bet it will ride so much
> better with a load than the Bleriot.  I'm amazed just how much slower my
> Clem is vs. my Hillborne. It's a huge difference, well beyond tires, and
> honestly it's kind of surprising. I imagine the Atlantis is closer to the
> Clem than the Hillborne. Certainly made to achieve different goals though.
> That build is gorgeous looking and looks like a great all-rounder as long
> as you're not in too much of a hurry.
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Rivendell Atlantis 54.5 Frame/Fork + partial build - $1400

Brad:

What wheel size?  In that frame size, Atlantis have been made for 26" & 
650B.  

dougP

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 11:03:57 AM UTC-7, jinxed wrote:
>
> This is the first of a consolidation needed on my part. The perfect 
> specimen of a Waterford made Riv Atlantis.
>
> I've had a few Riv's and this one is BY FAR my favorite. It was the most 
> versatile, best riding, fitting, and looking. But if you're here...you know 
> these things.
>
> From what I know, the 54.5 Atlantisii are not terribly common. Where the 
> 56 was a bit stretchy and tall, this one felt like it put the bike right 
> where I needed it for off road play. This is the more classic Riv geometry 
> akin to the first AllRounder, not the long chainstay current offerings.
>
> GEOMETRY LINK 
> 
>
> Please take note of the cosmetic condition. I can only describe it as 
> immaculately beausaged. If you're a hand wringer over paint chips and 
> surface rustrun...do not walk. Just look away. YES, there are chips and 
> scratches. No dents or damage. Could it be touched up or repainted...sure, 
> but I feel it would be a bit of a disservice to the history of this 
> beautiful beast. It's a proper tool that's been used correctly, and taken 
> care of. It will continue to do it's job given the same care. Frame and all 
> the parts are super clean.
>
> PICTURE GALLERY 
> 
>
> This nearly complete package includes the following:
> Frame & Fork
> FSA Sealed Bearing Headset
> Nitto Technomic stem
> Nitto Moustache Bar
> Suntour micro ratchet bar end shifters
> Dia Compe non-aero brake levers
> Newbams grey tape
> Nitto Seatpost
> Fujita BELT leather saddle
> Shimano UN71 Bottom Bracket
> Shimano Mountain LX deraillers
> Shimano BR-550 Canti brakes
> Front cable hanger
> Rear Surly Cable hanger
>
> **Wheels not included** (I stole the ones off my daughters bike for pics)
>
> $1400 plus whatever shipping to get it to you in the US. Typically use 
> shipbikes.com
>
> Drop a line with any questions: hbclick yahoo com
> Thanks!
> Brad
>

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[RBW] Re: First ride, Atlantis

Joel:

Great looking bike & I know you'll enjoy it.  I too have an Atlantis & it's 
my 95% of riding.  BTW, what is that saddlebag?  I'm looking for something 
that's small & tidy like that, just for spare, tools, lock, just the small 
stuff.  Do you know how many liters it is?

dougP

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 1:03:18 PM UTC-7, Joel wrote:
>
> The first ride was interesting, I had to stop a few times to make tweaks. 
>  So this will be the last time I use this mechanic.  First he wasn’t sure 
> how to wrap the bars, ok, I can do that, and probably better as I may move 
> the levers a bit.  The brake pads were rubbing and I had him loosen the fit 
> a bit, ok, that can happen.  About 1/2 mile from home I stopped to check 
> something and the rear break sounded like an elephant, that has worked 
> itself out pretty much but the front still is loud.  The bars, they were 
> not tightened enough and that almost caused a problem with that first stop. 
>  The pics won’t reflect where the bars are set now but higher than in the 
> outside pic of the bike alone, I was wondering why my hands were hurting.  
>
> The ride is very different than the Bleriot, a bit more sure footed, not 
> twitchy at all.  Feels slower but he bike is different and the tires are 
> 48’s vs. 42’s.  The bike fit is very good, longer stem than the Bleriot, 
> longer TT, I am actually surprised that it did not feel much longer.  I 
> could hold the bars at the ends which is too upright for me on the Bleriot. 
>
> It felt like I was working harder, my legs told me that but I think part 
> of that was the many tweaks I had to stop and do.  
>
> I won’t ride for one or more days as I will be getting a Coolief treatment 
> on my left knee tomorrow morning, like Radio Frequency Ablation but a bit 
> cooler process.  I do not want another TKR.  
>
> So tonight I may wrap the bars now that I know the squeaky brakes will 
> work themselves out and I will not be changing them, and the stem length 
> seems good, and  put a rear rack on. 
>
> More to come I am sure. 
>
> Joel
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sellers, post your full emails

*"Can you confirm that you are actually logged into the group when this is 
not functioning?"*

Yes.

dougP

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 12:52:48 PM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> As a follow up to my follow up:
>
> - I've confirmed that "Reply to author" was authorized in the group 
> settings.
>
> But in doing so, did notice that "Reply to author" is open only to group 
> members (set that way on purpose).
>
> I'm wondering if those of you who have experienced issues with this may 
> have been logged out of the group - in other words, viewing it from another 
> email/google ID which is not recognized as the member ID.
>
> Since a few of you have had trouble only in mobile, I'm curious if that's 
> a vector. 
>
> Can you confirm that you are actually logged into the group when this is 
> not functioning?
>
> Again - thanks.
>
> - J
>
>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 12:45:52 PM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>> As a quick follow up - I've received several screen shots which have me 
>> covered. Thanks!
>>
>> Have send a request/bug report/trouble ticket thingy and will hopefully 
>> have some understanding of the issue.
>>
>> Probably some nested setting lodged under an innocuous arrow or 
>> three-dot-link.
>>
>> Thank you again.
>>
>> - Jim / list admin
>>
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Re: [RBW] Sellers, post your full emails

2020-09-03 Thread J L

This IS a topic that comes up frequently and it has me looking at my own use
case. I am an email exclusive user and here are some thoughts on why that is.

I came to this group as an extension of another group that used to function as
a listserv. I have just kept up with that email to post format.

I use a mail client, a program that collects and sorts my email from multiple
email addresses. To read and send email I launch the program and do what I need
to do. That is to say I do not get email by directing a web browser to
www.yahoo or www.gmail or whatever. I imagine that if I did read email on a web
browser there are only a few more steps to access google groups (with a gmail
address), as I do not, it seems like very many steps.

I have more than one email address. I bet I have more than a score of email
addresses. Not only does my mail client sort mail in many ways, I also have
several accounts that I can interact with or ignore as I see fit. I can imagine
a few reasons that others may not want multiple addresses (even work and
personal) and there is some learning and time involved in setting up a mail
client.

IMHO the culture of this list is one of active discussion topics. A topic
typically lasts a few days to a few weeks. Others have expressed an interest in
search and browse functions when framing google groups as a forum. I check the
group emails every few days and read or share my opinion. If I miss a topic I
don’t mind so much because it is likely the group has moved on so to speak. I
can certainly imagine someone new to the group being excited about old and new
topics equally. A forum style interface allows for access to that that wider
array of posts.

Jason

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Re: [RBW] Sellers, post your full emails

Yes, I interact with this group the way Garth does..been that way from the 
beginning at bikelist . org and internet-bob since 2000. Now I can't even 
post on my Android, I have to use a tablet and that one won't send PMs. If 
they want me outta here completely, we're almost there. 

Joe "just about had it" Bernard 

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 3:23:02 PM UTC-7 Garth wrote:

> I too like Erik in Philly have all email notifications off except personal 
> messages. What I view I view here online, I have no interest in bunches of 
> emails.
>
> For clarity, when I reply here on this topic , it is available for all 
> members to see here on this publicly viewed website and for member that 
> accepts group messages to their personal inbox. When I wish to reply to a 
> single member , for whatever the reason, it is with the intent of a 
> one-on-one personal conversation, not a public/group conversation. No other 
> member is involved. 
>
>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 5:51:12 PM UTC-4 Erik Wright wrote:
>
>> I just don't want my inbox blown up with every response to every thread, 
>> even if it's filtered to a separate RBW Bunch folder or something like 
>> that. I enjoy the interface of clicking through threads as I please in 
>> addition to reading threads in a descending order and having the thread 
>> confined to one space- things come across clearer to me that way, rather 
>> than sorta getting my emails mixed up / out of order. In fact one of the 
>> first things I did when I joined the group was turn off email notifications 
>> entirely, other than PMs.
>>
>> It's not a huge deal, and if Google Groups stuff doesn't get sorted then 
>> maybe I will move to emails, I just also read emails all damn day at work 
>> and appreciate the respite. Not the end of the world, I just prefer the web 
>> interface. That said, maybe I just don't use email filters correctly.
>>
>> Erik, Philly
>>
>> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 5:25:41 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> To All:
>>>
>>> Taking a quick break from my work-at-home activities to express a bit of 
>>> puzzlement. I’ve been on this list for years, and for years I’ve seen 
>>> messages about people who try to respond to the person who posted a message 
>>> but couldn’t for some reason. I *think* this is all based on issues in the 
>>> online version of Google Groups, right?
>>>
>>> You all know that you can get all of this stuff sent to you in you email 
>>> inbox, yes? You get an email that is the same as the post on Google Groups, 
>>> which comes with the email of the sender/poster in it. Then you use your 
>>> email program to compose a message back. Quick and easy. I’ve done it this 
>>> way since … forever.
>>>
>>> Am I missing something? Are these people philosophically averse to using 
>>> email? You don’t *have* email? You only want to interact with the RBW Group 
>>> online? 
>>>
>>> Sorry, just had to get that off my chest. It’s just that the same 
>>> problem comes up over and over and over again, and the solution is so easy.
>>>
>>> OK, back to work for me. 
>>>
>>> --Eric Norris
>>> campyo...@me.com
>>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>>>
>>> On Sep 3, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Garth  wrote:
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>Yep, I'm logged in Jim.  I can switch between the classic and new 
>>> group formats at will. I use Firefox desktop only w/Linux Mint. I just 
>>> tried it with Chrome also, no go there too. Classic view I can reply to 
>>> author, new view I cannot, as I showed in the photo I sent you. In fact, I 
>>> could not have even got to that point unless I was logged in. I've reported 
>>> it google so many times I lost count, so I do wonder if such reports are 
>>> even read.  I do find it a bit comical though, having permission to not 
>>> have permission ! 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 3:52:48 PM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

 As a follow up to my follow up:

 - I've confirmed that "Reply to author" was authorized in the group 
 settings.

 But in doing so, did notice that "Reply to author" is open only to 
 group members (set that way on purpose).

 I'm wondering if those of you who have experienced issues with this may 
 have been logged out of the group - in other words, viewing it from 
 another 
 email/google ID which is not recognized as the member ID.

 Since a few of you have had trouble only in mobile, I'm curious if 
 that's a vector. 

 Can you confirm that you are actually logged into the group when this 
 is not functioning?

 Again - thanks.

 - J


 On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 12:45:52 PM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim 
 wrote:
>
> As a quick follow up - I've received several screen shots which have 
> me covered. Thanks!
>
> Have send a request/bug report/trouble ticket thingy and will 
> hopefully have some understanding of the issue.

Re: [RBW] Sellers, post your full emails

2020-09-03 Thread Garth

I too like Erik in Philly have all email notifications off except personal 
messages. What I view I view here online, I have no interest in bunches of 
emails.

For clarity, when I reply here on this topic , it is available for all 
members to see here on this publicly viewed website and for member that 
accepts group messages to their personal inbox. When I wish to reply to a 
single member , for whatever the reason, it is with the intent of a 
one-on-one personal conversation, not a public/group conversation. No other 
member is involved. 


On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 5:51:12 PM UTC-4 Erik Wright wrote:

> I just don't want my inbox blown up with every response to every thread, 
> even if it's filtered to a separate RBW Bunch folder or something like 
> that. I enjoy the interface of clicking through threads as I please in 
> addition to reading threads in a descending order and having the thread 
> confined to one space- things come across clearer to me that way, rather 
> than sorta getting my emails mixed up / out of order. In fact one of the 
> first things I did when I joined the group was turn off email notifications 
> entirely, other than PMs.
>
> It's not a huge deal, and if Google Groups stuff doesn't get sorted then 
> maybe I will move to emails, I just also read emails all damn day at work 
> and appreciate the respite. Not the end of the world, I just prefer the web 
> interface. That said, maybe I just don't use email filters correctly.
>
> Erik, Philly
>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 5:25:41 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> To All:
>>
>> Taking a quick break from my work-at-home activities to express a bit of 
>> puzzlement. I’ve been on this list for years, and for years I’ve seen 
>> messages about people who try to respond to the person who posted a message 
>> but couldn’t for some reason. I *think* this is all based on issues in the 
>> online version of Google Groups, right?
>>
>> You all know that you can get all of this stuff sent to you in you email 
>> inbox, yes? You get an email that is the same as the post on Google Groups, 
>> which comes with the email of the sender/poster in it. Then you use your 
>> email program to compose a message back. Quick and easy. I’ve done it this 
>> way since … forever.
>>
>> Am I missing something? Are these people philosophically averse to using 
>> email? You don’t *have* email? You only want to interact with the RBW Group 
>> online? 
>>
>> Sorry, just had to get that off my chest. It’s just that the same problem 
>> comes up over and over and over again, and the solution is so easy.
>>
>> OK, back to work for me. 
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>>
>> On Sep 3, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Garth  wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>>Yep, I'm logged in Jim.  I can switch between the classic and new 
>> group formats at will. I use Firefox desktop only w/Linux Mint. I just 
>> tried it with Chrome also, no go there too. Classic view I can reply to 
>> author, new view I cannot, as I showed in the photo I sent you. In fact, I 
>> could not have even got to that point unless I was logged in. I've reported 
>> it google so many times I lost count, so I do wonder if such reports are 
>> even read.  I do find it a bit comical though, having permission to not 
>> have permission ! 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 3:52:48 PM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>>
>>> As a follow up to my follow up:
>>>
>>> - I've confirmed that "Reply to author" was authorized in the group 
>>> settings.
>>>
>>> But in doing so, did notice that "Reply to author" is open only to group 
>>> members (set that way on purpose).
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if those of you who have experienced issues with this may 
>>> have been logged out of the group - in other words, viewing it from another 
>>> email/google ID which is not recognized as the member ID.
>>>
>>> Since a few of you have had trouble only in mobile, I'm curious if 
>>> that's a vector. 
>>>
>>> Can you confirm that you are actually logged into the group when this is 
>>> not functioning?
>>>
>>> Again - thanks.
>>>
>>> - J
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 12:45:52 PM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim 
>>> wrote:

 As a quick follow up - I've received several screen shots which have me 
 covered. Thanks!

 Have send a request/bug report/trouble ticket thingy and will hopefully 
 have some understanding of the issue.

 Probably some nested setting lodged under an innocuous arrow or 
 three-dot-link.

 Thank you again.

 - Jim / list admin

>>>
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Re: [RBW] Sellers, post your full emails

2020-09-03 Thread 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch

I have my personal emails in a window in a monitor separate from where most of 
my “work” happens. I glance over once in a while to see if anything looks 
interesting.

As I recall, you can opt to receive one email a day or one per week(?) Downside 
there is you’ll miss that sweet deal that somebody offered.

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

> On Sep 3, 2020, at 2:51 PM, Erik Wright  wrote:
> 
> I just don't want my inbox blown up with every response to every thread, even 
> if it's filtered to a separate RBW Bunch folder or something like that. I 
> enjoy the interface of clicking through threads as I please in addition to 
> reading threads in a descending order and having the thread confined to one 
> space- things come across clearer to me that way, rather than sorta getting 
> my emails mixed up / out of order. In fact one of the first things I did when 
> I joined the group was turn off email notifications entirely, other than PMs.
> 
> It's not a huge deal, and if Google Groups stuff doesn't get sorted then 
> maybe I will move to emails, I just also read emails all damn day at work and 
> appreciate the respite. Not the end of the world, I just prefer the web 
> interface. That said, maybe I just don't use email filters correctly.
> 
> Erik, Philly
> 
> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 5:25:41 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:
> To All:
> 
> Taking a quick break from my work-at-home activities to express a bit of 
> puzzlement. I’ve been on this list for years, and for years I’ve seen 
> messages about people who try to respond to the person who posted a message 
> but couldn’t for some reason. I *think* this is all based on issues in the 
> online version of Google Groups, right?
> 
> You all know that you can get all of this stuff sent to you in you email 
> inbox, yes? You get an email that is the same as the post on Google Groups, 
> which comes with the email of the sender/poster in it. Then you use your 
> email program to compose a message back. Quick and easy. I’ve done it this 
> way since … forever.
> 
> Am I missing something? Are these people philosophically averse to using 
> email? You don’t *have* email? You only want to interact with the RBW Group 
> online? 
> 
> Sorry, just had to get that off my chest. It’s just that the same problem 
> comes up over and over and over again, and the solution is so easy.
> 
> OK, back to work for me. 
> 
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com 
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
> 
> 
>> On Sep 3, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Garth > > wrote:
>> 
> 
>>  
>> 
>>Yep, I'm logged in Jim.  I can switch between the classic and new group 
>> formats at will. I use Firefox desktop only w/Linux Mint. I just tried it 
>> with Chrome also, no go there too. Classic view I can reply to author, new 
>> view I cannot, as I showed in the photo I sent you. In fact, I could not 
>> have even got to that point unless I was logged in. I've reported it google 
>> so many times I lost count, so I do wonder if such reports are even read.  I 
>> do find it a bit comical though, having permission to not have permission ! 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 3:52:48 PM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>> As a follow up to my follow up:
>> 
>> - I've confirmed that "Reply to author" was authorized in the group settings.
>> 
>> But in doing so, did notice that "Reply to author" is open only to group 
>> members (set that way on purpose).
>> 
>> I'm wondering if those of you who have experienced issues with this may have 
>> been logged out of the group - in other words, viewing it from another 
>> email/google ID which is not recognized as the member ID.
>> 
>> Since a few of you have had trouble only in mobile, I'm curious if that's a 
>> vector. 
>> 
>> Can you confirm that you are actually logged into the group when this is not 
>> functioning?
>> 
>> Again - thanks.
>> 
>> - J
>> 
>> 
>> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 12:45:52 PM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>> As a quick follow up - I've received several screen shots which have me 
>> covered. Thanks!
>> 
>> Have send a request/bug report/trouble ticket thingy and will hopefully have 
>> some understanding of the issue.
>> 
>> Probably some nested setting lodged under an innocuous arrow or 
>> three-dot-link.
>> 
>> Thank you again.
>> 
>> - Jim / list admin
>> 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Sellers, post your full emails

What Erik said, I tried the email version for a short while years ago and 
hated it. What's going to happen is if the web version becomes impossible 
to work with, I'll just not be on Google Groups anymore. 
On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 2:51:12 PM UTC-7 Erik Wright wrote:

> I just don't want my inbox blown up with every response to every thread, 
> even if it's filtered to a separate RBW Bunch folder or something like 
> that. I enjoy the interface of clicking through threads as I please in 
> addition to reading threads in a descending order and having the thread 
> confined to one space- things come across clearer to me that way, rather 
> than sorta getting my emails mixed up / out of order. In fact one of the 
> first things I did when I joined the group was turn off email notifications 
> entirely, other than PMs.
>
> It's not a huge deal, and if Google Groups stuff doesn't get sorted then 
> maybe I will move to emails, I just also read emails all damn day at work 
> and appreciate the respite. Not the end of the world, I just prefer the web 
> interface. That said, maybe I just don't use email filters correctly.
>
> Erik, Philly
>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 5:25:41 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
>> To All:
>>
>> Taking a quick break from my work-at-home activities to express a bit of 
>> puzzlement. I’ve been on this list for years, and for years I’ve seen 
>> messages about people who try to respond to the person who posted a message 
>> but couldn’t for some reason. I *think* this is all based on issues in the 
>> online version of Google Groups, right?
>>
>> You all know that you can get all of this stuff sent to you in you email 
>> inbox, yes? You get an email that is the same as the post on Google Groups, 
>> which comes with the email of the sender/poster in it. Then you use your 
>> email program to compose a message back. Quick and easy. I’ve done it this 
>> way since … forever.
>>
>> Am I missing something? Are these people philosophically averse to using 
>> email? You don’t *have* email? You only want to interact with the RBW Group 
>> online? 
>>
>> Sorry, just had to get that off my chest. It’s just that the same problem 
>> comes up over and over and over again, and the solution is so easy.
>>
>> OK, back to work for me. 
>>
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>>
>> On Sep 3, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Garth  wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>>Yep, I'm logged in Jim.  I can switch between the classic and new 
>> group formats at will. I use Firefox desktop only w/Linux Mint. I just 
>> tried it with Chrome also, no go there too. Classic view I can reply to 
>> author, new view I cannot, as I showed in the photo I sent you. In fact, I 
>> could not have even got to that point unless I was logged in. I've reported 
>> it google so many times I lost count, so I do wonder if such reports are 
>> even read.  I do find it a bit comical though, having permission to not 
>> have permission ! 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 3:52:48 PM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>>
>>> As a follow up to my follow up:
>>>
>>> - I've confirmed that "Reply to author" was authorized in the group 
>>> settings.
>>>
>>> But in doing so, did notice that "Reply to author" is open only to group 
>>> members (set that way on purpose).
>>>
>>> I'm wondering if those of you who have experienced issues with this may 
>>> have been logged out of the group - in other words, viewing it from another 
>>> email/google ID which is not recognized as the member ID.
>>>
>>> Since a few of you have had trouble only in mobile, I'm curious if 
>>> that's a vector. 
>>>
>>> Can you confirm that you are actually logged into the group when this is 
>>> not functioning?
>>>
>>> Again - thanks.
>>>
>>> - J
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 12:45:52 PM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim 
>>> wrote:

 As a quick follow up - I've received several screen shots which have me 
 covered. Thanks!

 Have send a request/bug report/trouble ticket thingy and will hopefully 
 have some understanding of the issue.

 Probably some nested setting lodged under an innocuous arrow or 
 three-dot-link.

 Thank you again.

 - Jim / list admin

>>>
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[RBW] Re: First ride, Atlantis

That's a good looking bike, Joel! I love the way the Atlantis color pops in 
the sun. 

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 1:03:18 PM UTC-7 Joel wrote:

> The first ride was interesting, I had to stop a few times to make tweaks. 
>  So this will be the last time I use this mechanic.  First he wasn’t sure 
> how to wrap the bars, ok, I can do that, and probably better as I may move 
> the levers a bit.  The brake pads were rubbing and I had him loosen the fit 
> a bit, ok, that can happen.  About 1/2 mile from home I stopped to check 
> something and the rear break sounded like an elephant, that has worked 
> itself out pretty much but the front still is loud.  The bars, they were 
> not tightened enough and that almost caused a problem with that first stop. 
>  The pics won’t reflect where the bars are set now but higher than in the 
> outside pic of the bike alone, I was wondering why my hands were hurting.  
>
> The ride is very different than the Bleriot, a bit more sure footed, not 
> twitchy at all.  Feels slower but he bike is different and the tires are 
> 48’s vs. 42’s.  The bike fit is very good, longer stem than the Bleriot, 
> longer TT, I am actually surprised that it did not feel much longer.  I 
> could hold the bars at the ends which is too upright for me on the Bleriot. 
>
> It felt like I was working harder, my legs told me that but I think part 
> of that was the many tweaks I had to stop and do.  
>
> I won’t ride for one or more days as I will be getting a Coolief treatment 
> on my left knee tomorrow morning, like Radio Frequency Ablation but a bit 
> cooler process.  I do not want another TKR.  
>
> So tonight I may wrap the bars now that I know the squeaky brakes will 
> work themselves out and I will not be changing them, and the stem length 
> seems good, and  put a rear rack on. 
>
> More to come I am sure. 
>
> Joel
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

2020-09-03 Thread Jason Fuller

I do sometimes wonder if I shouldn't have went with the Homer for the 
lighter tubing, but the Sam is by no means sluggish or heavy feeling for 
having the stouter tubes of the two. I have mine built up pretty 
lightweight (for what it is), it's around 27 lbs with accessories but no 
bags. I came off a very light tubing bike, the Soma Grand Rando, and the 
Hillborne doesn't feel much slower to be honest, if at all!  It's 
definitely smoother, which is surprising given the stronger tubing. I think 
the geo just puts me in the perfect place between the wheels. 

I do long distance road rides on the Hillborne and while it might do me 
well to have a bit of a lighter tubed bike in those cases, it's really nice 
to be able to also strap a bunch of weight to the same bike (or ride rough 
roads and trails) without worry!  I do these rides with people on full road 
bikes sometimes and I don't feel the bike holds me back more than maybe 
3%.  


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Re: [RBW] Sellers, post your full emails

2020-09-03 Thread Erik Wright

I just don't want my inbox blown up with every response to every thread, 
even if it's filtered to a separate RBW Bunch folder or something like 
that. I enjoy the interface of clicking through threads as I please in 
addition to reading threads in a descending order and having the thread 
confined to one space- things come across clearer to me that way, rather 
than sorta getting my emails mixed up / out of order. In fact one of the 
first things I did when I joined the group was turn off email notifications 
entirely, other than PMs.

It's not a huge deal, and if Google Groups stuff doesn't get sorted then 
maybe I will move to emails, I just also read emails all damn day at work 
and appreciate the respite. Not the end of the world, I just prefer the web 
interface. That said, maybe I just don't use email filters correctly.

Erik, Philly

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 5:25:41 PM UTC-4 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> To All:
>
> Taking a quick break from my work-at-home activities to express a bit of 
> puzzlement. I’ve been on this list for years, and for years I’ve seen 
> messages about people who try to respond to the person who posted a message 
> but couldn’t for some reason. I *think* this is all based on issues in the 
> online version of Google Groups, right?
>
> You all know that you can get all of this stuff sent to you in you email 
> inbox, yes? You get an email that is the same as the post on Google Groups, 
> which comes with the email of the sender/poster in it. Then you use your 
> email program to compose a message back. Quick and easy. I’ve done it this 
> way since … forever.
>
> Am I missing something? Are these people philosophically averse to using 
> email? You don’t *have* email? You only want to interact with the RBW Group 
> online? 
>
> Sorry, just had to get that off my chest. It’s just that the same problem 
> comes up over and over and over again, and the solution is so easy.
>
> OK, back to work for me. 
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>
> On Sep 3, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Garth  wrote:
>
>  
>
>Yep, I'm logged in Jim.  I can switch between the classic and new group 
> formats at will. I use Firefox desktop only w/Linux Mint. I just tried it 
> with Chrome also, no go there too. Classic view I can reply to author, new 
> view I cannot, as I showed in the photo I sent you. In fact, I could not 
> have even got to that point unless I was logged in. I've reported it google 
> so many times I lost count, so I do wonder if such reports are even read.  
> I do find it a bit comical though, having permission to not have permission 
> ! 
>
>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 3:52:48 PM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>> As a follow up to my follow up:
>>
>> - I've confirmed that "Reply to author" was authorized in the group 
>> settings.
>>
>> But in doing so, did notice that "Reply to author" is open only to group 
>> members (set that way on purpose).
>>
>> I'm wondering if those of you who have experienced issues with this may 
>> have been logged out of the group - in other words, viewing it from another 
>> email/google ID which is not recognized as the member ID.
>>
>> Since a few of you have had trouble only in mobile, I'm curious if that's 
>> a vector. 
>>
>> Can you confirm that you are actually logged into the group when this is 
>> not functioning?
>>
>> Again - thanks.
>>
>> - J
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 12:45:52 PM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>>
>>> As a quick follow up - I've received several screen shots which have me 
>>> covered. Thanks!
>>>
>>> Have send a request/bug report/trouble ticket thingy and will hopefully 
>>> have some understanding of the issue.
>>>
>>> Probably some nested setting lodged under an innocuous arrow or 
>>> three-dot-link.
>>>
>>> Thank you again.
>>>
>>> - Jim / list admin
>>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: First ride, Atlantis

2020-09-03 Thread Jason Fuller

I don't doubt it feels quite a bit slower!  But I bet it will ride so much 
better with a load than the Bleriot.  I'm amazed just how much slower my 
Clem is vs. my Hillborne. It's a huge difference, well beyond tires, and 
honestly it's kind of surprising. I imagine the Atlantis is closer to the 
Clem than the Hillborne. Certainly made to achieve different goals though.  
That build is gorgeous looking and looks like a great all-rounder as long 
as you're not in too much of a hurry.  

 

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Re: [RBW] Sellers, post your full emails

2020-09-03 Thread 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch

To All:

Taking a quick break from my work-at-home activities to express a bit of 
puzzlement. I’ve been on this list for years, and for years I’ve seen messages 
about people who try to respond to the person who posted a message but couldn’t 
for some reason. I *think* this is all based on issues in the online version of 
Google Groups, right?

You all know that you can get all of this stuff sent to you in you email inbox, 
yes? You get an email that is the same as the post on Google Groups, which 
comes with the email of the sender/poster in it. Then you use your email 
program to compose a message back. Quick and easy. I’ve done it this way since 
… forever.

Am I missing something? Are these people philosophically averse to using email? 
You don’t *have* email? You only want to interact with the RBW Group online? 

Sorry, just had to get that off my chest. It’s just that the same problem comes 
up over and over and over again, and the solution is so easy.

OK, back to work for me. 

--Eric Norris
campyonly...@me.com
Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 

> On Sep 3, 2020, at 1:52 PM, Garth  wrote:
> 
>  
> 
>Yep, I'm logged in Jim.  I can switch between the classic and new group 
> formats at will. I use Firefox desktop only w/Linux Mint. I just tried it 
> with Chrome also, no go there too. Classic view I can reply to author, new 
> view I cannot, as I showed in the photo I sent you. In fact, I could not have 
> even got to that point unless I was logged in. I've reported it google so 
> many times I lost count, so I do wonder if such reports are even read.  I do 
> find it a bit comical though, having permission to not have permission ! 
> 
> 
> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 3:52:48 PM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
> As a follow up to my follow up:
> 
> - I've confirmed that "Reply to author" was authorized in the group settings.
> 
> But in doing so, did notice that "Reply to author" is open only to group 
> members (set that way on purpose).
> 
> I'm wondering if those of you who have experienced issues with this may have 
> been logged out of the group - in other words, viewing it from another 
> email/google ID which is not recognized as the member ID.
> 
> Since a few of you have had trouble only in mobile, I'm curious if that's a 
> vector. 
> 
> Can you confirm that you are actually logged into the group when this is not 
> functioning?
> 
> Again - thanks.
> 
> - J
> 
> 
> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 12:45:52 PM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
> As a quick follow up - I've received several screen shots which have me 
> covered. Thanks!
> 
> Have send a request/bug report/trouble ticket thingy and will hopefully have 
> some understanding of the issue.
> 
> Probably some nested setting lodged under an innocuous arrow or 
> three-dot-link.
> 
> Thank you again.
> 
> - Jim / list admin
> 
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[RBW] Re: Sellers, post your full emails

2020-09-03 Thread Garth

 

   Yep, I'm logged in Jim.  I can switch between the classic and new group 
formats at will. I use Firefox desktop only w/Linux Mint. I just tried it 
with Chrome also, no go there too. Classic view I can reply to author, new 
view I cannot, as I showed in the photo I sent you. In fact, I could not 
have even got to that point unless I was logged in. I've reported it google 
so many times I lost count, so I do wonder if such reports are even read.  
I do find it a bit comical though, having permission to not have permission 
! 


On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 3:52:48 PM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> As a follow up to my follow up:
>
> - I've confirmed that "Reply to author" was authorized in the group 
> settings.
>
> But in doing so, did notice that "Reply to author" is open only to group 
> members (set that way on purpose).
>
> I'm wondering if those of you who have experienced issues with this may 
> have been logged out of the group - in other words, viewing it from another 
> email/google ID which is not recognized as the member ID.
>
> Since a few of you have had trouble only in mobile, I'm curious if that's 
> a vector. 
>
> Can you confirm that you are actually logged into the group when this is 
> not functioning?
>
> Again - thanks.
>
> - J
>
>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 12:45:52 PM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>> As a quick follow up - I've received several screen shots which have me 
>> covered. Thanks!
>>
>> Have send a request/bug report/trouble ticket thingy and will hopefully 
>> have some understanding of the issue.
>>
>> Probably some nested setting lodged under an innocuous arrow or 
>> three-dot-link.
>>
>> Thank you again.
>>
>> - Jim / list admin
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sellers, post your full emails

2020-09-03 Thread Cyclofiend Jim

As a follow up to my follow up:

- I've confirmed that "Reply to author" was authorized in the group 
settings.

But in doing so, did notice that "Reply to author" is open only to group 
members (set that way on purpose).

I'm wondering if those of you who have experienced issues with this may 
have been logged out of the group - in other words, viewing it from another 
email/google ID which is not recognized as the member ID.

Since a few of you have had trouble only in mobile, I'm curious if that's a 
vector. 

Can you confirm that you are actually logged into the group when this is 
not functioning?

Again - thanks.

- J

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 12:45:52 PM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> As a quick follow up - I've received several screen shots which have me 
> covered. Thanks!
>
> Have send a request/bug report/trouble ticket thingy and will hopefully 
> have some understanding of the issue.
>
> Probably some nested setting lodged under an innocuous arrow or 
> three-dot-link.
>
> Thank you again.
>
> - Jim / list admin
>

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[RBW] Re: Sellers, post your full emails

2020-09-03 Thread Cyclofiend Jim

As a quick follow up - I've received several screen shots which have me 
covered. Thanks!

Have send a request/bug report/trouble ticket thingy and will hopefully 
have some understanding of the issue.

Probably some nested setting lodged under an innocuous arrow or 
three-dot-link.

Thank you again.

- Jim / list admin

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Re: [RBW] 26" road/gravel tire shortage

2020-09-03 Thread marshmonster

don't they make Gravel King slicks in 26 now?

On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 12:45:50 PM UTC-5 masmojo wrote:

> I'm a champion of good obscure tires and 26" really opens you up to this, 
> because it's a common size in so many corners of Cycling.  BMX, Mountain 
> bikes, Etc.
>
> Here's 3ish that I have or have seen others use
> From Left to right:
> DMR Bikes - Supermoto - These are really cool tires I bought off a buddy 
> who had them on a Riv'd out MB-3
> Maxxis - DTH - 26" X 2.15 Again similar to above, popular with Riv's out 
> Mountain bike conversions (but, generally not Cheap)
> Vee Speedster - 26" X 2.125 Here labeled as an Eastern Growler, but also 
> sold by other companies in the BMX realm like SE. It's available in a 
> variety of sizes; I am currently running some 27.5's on my Crust Evasion.
>
> Have fun!
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] FS/T berthoud saddle

2020-09-03 Thread abraham nussbaum

Thanks, Steve, I appreciate it! 

Steve is correct about the make/model. It's a fancy saddle, sure to turn 
heads. 

Also: I should say that while I do not post on the group often, I am a 
subscriber and always enjoy reading the posts. This little corner of the 
bicycle internet is a sweet space even if it includes my brother-- another 
occasional poster named Andrew Nussbaum-- who is guilty for getting me to 
spend more than I should on bikes. I haven't bought a Riv yet, but he's 
working on me.

Thanks for looking, all.

On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 2:42:16 PM UTC-6 Steve Palincsar wrote:

> Abraham doesn't mention the name of the saddle model, but it's clearly 
> visible in the photos: Agnel.  For those unfamiliar with this model (I'd 
> never heard of it) here's what they say on the Rene Herse site about this 
> model:
>
> Berthoud Women’s Saddle, Agnel/Marie-Blanque 
>
> $235.00 – $299.00
>
> Gilles Berthoud’s extralight women-specific saddle has a shorter nose than 
> the Aravis saddle. Choose between titanium rails (Agnel) for superlight 
> weight and even more comfort (titanium rails flex more), or economical 
> stainless steel rails (Marie-Blanque).
>
> Leather saddles have long offered the ultimate in comfort for 
> long-distance cycling, because they shape themselves to your unique 
> anatomy. Gilles Berthoud’s saddles use thoroughly modern materials and 
> construction methods, while maintaining the advantages of a tensioned 
> leather saddle. We’ve been riding these saddles for years, because we find 
> them so comfortable.
>
> The leather is thick and initially firm, but Berthoud saddles are 
> pre-softened to shorten the break-in. They are comfortable after just a few 
> long rides, and then they last many years. If the leather gets dry, we 
> recommend a light treatment with Obenauf’s leather preservative 
> .
>  
> Berthoud saddles rarely need tensioning. When they do, the tension is easy 
> to adjust with a 5 mm allen key.
>
> On 9/2/20 2:40 PM, abraham nussbaum wrote:
>
> I bought a bike and a saddle off this list last year. The bike is a 
> keeper, the saddle is too narrow. 
>
> It's beautiful-- titanium rails, amazing color, still with original 
> packaging, never treated/broken in-- but a 5 mile ride made it clear I need 
> a wider platform. Unfortunately, while laying around my garage for the 
> past year, it earned a scratch in the top. (Pix here 
> .)
>
> New retails 
> 
>  
> for $299, but given the scratch, I am asking $225 w. shipping CONUS.
>
> Also willing to trade for:
> -mission workshop transit arkiv
> -outershell rack bag
> -XS bike/frameset suitable for a teenage girl
> -a pair of Paul QR skewers
> -something else interesting
>
> Thanks, Abraham
> abraham [at] gmail.com
> amnussbaum [at] gmail
>
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> USA
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[RBW] FS: Rivendell Atlantis 54.5 Frame/Fork + partial build - $1400

This is the first of a consolidation needed on my part. The perfect
specimen of a Waterford made Riv Atlantis.

I've had a few Riv's and this one is BY FAR my favorite. It was the most
versatile, best riding, fitting, and looking. But if you're here...you know
these things.

>From what I know, the 54.5 Atlantisii are not terribly common. Where the 56
was a bit stretchy and tall, this one felt like it put the bike right where
I needed it for off road play. This is the more classic Riv geometry akin
to the first AllRounder, not the long chainstay current offerings.

GEOMETRY LINK

Please take note of the cosmetic condition. I can only describe it as
immaculately beausaged. If you're a hand wringer over paint chips and
surface rustrun...do not walk. Just look away. YES, there are chips and
scratches. No dents or damage. Could it be touched up or repainted...sure,
but I feel it would be a bit of a disservice to the history of this
beautiful beast. It's a proper tool that's been used correctly, and taken
care of. It will continue to do it's job given the same care. Frame and all
the parts are super clean.

PICTURE GALLERY

This nearly complete package includes the following:
Frame & Fork
FSA Sealed Bearing Headset
Nitto Technomic stem
Nitto Moustache Bar
Suntour micro ratchet bar end shifters
Dia Compe non-aero brake levers
Newbams grey tape
Nitto Seatpost
Fujita BELT leather saddle
Shimano UN71 Bottom Bracket
Shimano Mountain LX deraillers
Shimano BR-550 Canti brakes
Front cable hanger
Rear Surly Cable hanger

**Wheels not included** (I stole the ones off my daughters bike for pics)

$1400 plus whatever shipping to get it to you in the US. Typically use
shipbikes.com

Drop a line with any questions: hbclick yahoo com
Thanks!
Brad

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[RBW] Re: Clem spotted in the wild!

2020-09-03 Thread Jeffrey Marco

Riv just posted a shot of this bike on their Instagram

On Tuesday, September 1, 2020 at 1:38:49 PM UTC-4, Alex K wrote:
>
> [image: 1A1D4728-3C47-4328-A588-58EC3C4162F9.jpeg]Getting my morning joe 
> and this kid rolls up on a crispy Clem H!  Though only 5’10” he says that 
> he loves the big 59 Clem frame.  And found it on Craigslist Santa Cruz for 
> $750!?!?  Even the indefatigable RBW Owners sleuths missed this one!!!

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[RBW] Re: New Frame Day - Rivendell Mixte "Cargo" bike

2020-09-03 Thread lconley

No, this was a Grant designed custom built by Nobilette for Kevin, a former 
Riv employee, several years ago that evidently didn't get built exactly as 
intended. Earlier this year, Riv sent it to Taiwan to get standard Riv 
paint and then sold it to me.

Laing

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> Was this to be the original Anniversary bike?
>
> It's LOVELY.  Happy hauling!
>
> Roberta
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

Rich, speed is not important, I want the most stable and comfortable ride
with a bike that fits the best.  You have given me great info, thanks. Ride
report on the Atlantis should be later today.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 11:39 AM R Shannon  wrote:

> Joel,
>
> I’ve not verified this with the Riv folks but the weight difference
> between the two seems like it would be in the tubing. My Homer and Sam have
> identical setups but Homer is two pounds lighter (says a bathroom scale).
> It also feels a touch lighter just lifting it and ditto for the ride.
>
> From the last Riv catalog:
> “Sam is a hair stouter, so we give it more burly points than Homer, but
> the Sam and Homer are 95 percent functional clones. . .”
>
> Also this: “If you want speed on the road with versatility to tour or ride
> dirt now and then, the A. Homer Hilsen is ideal.”
>
> Hope this info helps with your decision. Pics or any other questions feel
> free to ask.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 3, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Dorothy C  wrote:
>
> Different brake styles would be the main thing, now that Sams are V brake
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 7:05:38 AM UTC-7 Joel wrote:
>
>> Old thread, I wonder if now since both are MIT and both now have the same
>> TT slope if the opinions expressed hold.  Also I don’t know if the tubing
>> is now the same.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 9:39:25 PM UTC-4, Paul Choi wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm new to Rivendell bikes and to this forum. I'm considering a SH or
>>> AHH. This would be a all-around bike that used for commuting, light touring
>>> and some occasional off road riding. These bikes seem similar.
>>>
>>> Can you tell me the differences of these two bikes?
>>>
>>> For those of you that have both - your feedback would be really
>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>> Paul in Santa Clara, CA.
>>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

Dorothy, I did see that, I could take almost every part from the Bleriot
and use them on the Homer but on the Sam I would need new brakes.  Not a
big deal but I do like those side pulls.

On Thu, Sep 3, 2020 at 11:17 AM Dorothy C  wrote:

> Different brake styles would be the main thing, now that Sams are V brake
>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 7:05:38 AM UTC-7 Joel wrote:
>
>> Old thread, I wonder if now since both are MIT and both now have the same
>> TT slope if the opinions expressed hold.  Also I don’t know if the tubing
>> is now the same.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 9:39:25 PM UTC-4, Paul Choi wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm new to Rivendell bikes and to this forum. I'm considering a SH or
>>> AHH. This would be a all-around bike that used for commuting, light touring
>>> and some occasional off road riding. These bikes seem similar.
>>>
>>> Can you tell me the differences of these two bikes?
>>>
>>> For those of you that have both - your feedback would be really
>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>> Paul in Santa Clara, CA.
>>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: 3 Rivendells

Roberta, as I noted above the Bleriot is livelier than I really want. I 
will get to ride my new Atlantis in about an hour or so, it is being 
brought here by the bike shop as it is a mobile repair and build shop. He 
took the Atlantis to his place so he could spend evenings doing it. 

I am sure that the Atlantis will be the tamest of the bikes I have owned 
from Rivendell and there have been quite a few. Now that I do not use drops 
anymore it becomes more important to have a less lively ride due my back 
and other body parts. I guess after I ride the Atlantis I will have a 
b\tter idea but I wonder how different a Sam or Homer will be vs. the 
Bleriot. The Sam being a tad less than the Atlantis is not a bad things 
although if the Homer is the same as the 50cm Atlantis that is good too.

Thanks again

Joel

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 11:52:27 AM UTC-4, Roberta wrote:
>
> Joel has heard from me, but for those reading this thread...
> I rode a Sam and an Appaloosa 3 1/2 years ago and choose the Appaloosa.   
> I liked the Sam, but LOVED the ride of the Appaloosa.   Last year I bought 
> an AHH because I needed a bike for my office location and the more I ride 
> it, the more I love it.   
>
> It's been 3 1/2 years since my impression of the Sam, but I feel that the 
> AHH is livelier.  That impression could be because of my lack of "bike 
> knowledge" at the time I rode the Sam, time between rides, or the fact that 
> I'm riding the AHH a lot recently.  Perhaps if I ride a Sam tomorrow, I'd 
> feel different.
>
> Or, it could be the sizing. 51 Sam felt too small and the 55 was too big.  
> The 51 Appaloosa is just a bit bigger than the 51 Sam, and the AHH 54.5 is 
> "just right."  Well, perhaps I'd like a sightly lower top tube, but I like 
> the overall bigness of the bike.
>
> I ride nearly 100% on road and MUPs, but sometimes those MUPS become 
> packed dirt or boardwalk planks.  I don't ride any real gravel or mountain 
> or single track.
>
> 83 cm PBH.
>
> Roberta
>
> On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 11:31:15 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> I'm afraid I can't help with this one, I've never ridden a Sam or MIT 
>> Homer. Maybe Roberta can chime in here, she has an Appaloosa and Homer. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 6:52:45 PM UTC-7 Joel wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> If I came home with a Mixtec my wife would steal it from me Kainalu, 
>>>  I never heard of this model before, thanks for bringing it to my 
>>> attention. 
>>>
>>> BTW, I lived in Brooklyn in 1978 and grew up in Far Rockaway.  
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 9:10:04 PM UTC-4, Kainalu V. 
>>> -Brooklyn NY wrote:

 The medium step through Rosco Bubbe would be just the thing! Or the Sam 
 or Homer. I've only ridden an older and much larger Sam and it was the 
 bees 
 knees. But if the option comes around, the Rosco would be wonderful for 
 you, and they're Riv blue! 
 Good thing for all good choices...
 -Kai


 On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 5:53:51 PM UTC-4, Joel wrote:
>
> I know Joe B has opinions on this as he has owned at least 2 of them.  
>
> My Bleriot is a tad big, not terrible but a tad too high for me.  It 
> also has very lively handling, especially with Albatross bars.  To 
> counter 
> this a bit I hold them near the curves which puts more weight on the 
> front 
> end and is very comfortable for me.  My Atlantis is being built up right 
> know and will be ready tomorrow.  I have considered replacing the Bleriot 
> with a Sam or Homer.  Group member Rich has given me some good 
> information, 
> the Sam will be a tad smaller (1cm) in 51cm and will be a definite fit, 
> the 
> Homer will probably be fine.  I want the bike should I do this that will 
> be 
> the most comfort and stable.  The chain stay difference is a couple of CM 
> I 
> think.  Any thoughts? 
>
> Thanks
> Joel
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

I just replied to Joel's other thread and I think this is exactly what I 
was feeling between the two bikes.   Love the lively ride of the AHH.

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 11:39:52 AM UTC-4, RichS wrote:
>
> Joel,
>
> I’ve not verified this with the Riv folks but the weight difference 
> between the two seems like it would be in the tubing. My Homer and Sam have 
> identical setups but Homer is two pounds lighter (says a bathroom scale). 
> It also feels a touch lighter just lifting it and ditto for the ride.
>
> From the last Riv catalog:
> “Sam is a hair stouter, so we give it more burly points than Homer, but 
> the Sam and Homer are 95 percent functional clones. . .”
>
> Also this: “If you want speed on the road with versatility to tour or ride 
> dirt now and then, the A. Homer Hilsen is ideal.”
>
> Hope this info helps with your decision. Pics or any other questions feel 
> free to ask.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 3, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Dorothy C > 
> wrote:
>
> Different brake styles would be the main thing, now that Sams are V brake 
>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 7:05:38 AM UTC-7 Joel wrote:
>
>> Old thread, I wonder if now since both are MIT and both now have the same 
>> TT slope if the opinions expressed hold.  Also I don’t know if the tubing 
>> is now the same.  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 9:39:25 PM UTC-4, Paul Choi wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm new to Rivendell bikes and to this forum. I'm considering a SH or 
>>> AHH. This would be a all-around bike that used for commuting, light touring 
>>> and some occasional off road riding. These bikes seem similar. 
>>>
>>> Can you tell me the differences of these two bikes?
>>>
>>> For those of you that have both - your feedback would be really 
>>> appreciated. 
>>>
>>> Paul in Santa Clara, CA.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: 3 Rivendells

Collin, I did see they are sold out. From what Rich said in another thread 
he weight them as having a 2 pound difference, not an issue for me, I am 
not worried about the weight, I do a pretty minimal build, no fenders, 
maybe a rear rack. They are very close but not the same as to the tubing 
and chain stays, my initial thoughts were that the Sam might be a bit more 
stable but maybe not even measurable. 

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 11:23:26 AM UTC-4, Collin A wrote:
>
> I occasionally ride my Partner's MIT homer (47.5, too small for me) on my 
> commute, so I cannot comment on it thoroughly, but it is a lively bike as 
> it compares to my (now sold) Clem and would be an excellent companion  to 
> the Atlantis. The liveliness you describe for your bleriot with alba bars 
> matches with what I have noticed with the billie bars that are on there. I 
> think that is mostly a function of where your hands are relative to the 
> steering axis.
>
> The main functional difference appears to be a smaller seatpost diam for 
> the Sam and v-studs/canti-posts. The geometries based on bikeinsights seem 
> almost identical.
>
> The paint on the Homer is a wonderful color, btw. Its a beautiful blue 
> with just a hint of sparkle that you only see during sunny days.
>
> Also, looks like Riv is sold out of the 51 homers, if that impacts your 
> decision at all.
>
> Cheers,
> Collin in "GOOD AQI" Sacramento
>
> On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 2:53:51 PM UTC-7 Joel wrote:
>
>> I know Joe B has opinions on this as he has owned at least 2 of them.  
>>
>> My Bleriot is a tad big, not terrible but a tad too high for me.  It also 
>> has very lively handling, especially with Albatross bars.  To counter this 
>> a bit I hold them near the curves which puts more weight on the front end 
>> and is very comfortable for me.  My Atlantis is being built up right know 
>> and will be ready tomorrow.  I have considered replacing the Bleriot with a 
>> Sam or Homer.  Group member Rich has given me some good information, the 
>> Sam will be a tad smaller (1cm) in 51cm and will be a definite fit, the 
>> Homer will probably be fine.  I want the bike should I do this that will be 
>> the most comfort and stable.  The chain stay difference is a couple of CM I 
>> think.  Any thoughts? 
>>
>> Thanks
>> Joel
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

Thanks Erik, I looked at the geometry charts as well. I was also given some 
good info regarding the 2 in standover height, both 51cm with 38cm tires. 

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 12:16:06 PM UTC-4, Erik Wright wrote:
>
> A couple notes after watching Russ's review at Path Less Pedaled, too:
>
>1. He notes 45.5cm chainstays. He rides the 650b version, which (according 
>to this geometry chart 
>) 
>could mean that the geo of the new batch of Sams might not be much of a 
>diversion from the last batch. 700c has 46.5cm chainstays.
>   1. Unless, of course, he reviewed a Sam from the last batch 
>   that Riv still had in stock.
>2. According to that same geo chart, A. Homer Hilsen has 47.5cm 
>chainstays in the 650b sizes, and up to 49cm and 53cm in the big ol' sizes.
>
> Therefore, chainstay length + brake choice + tubing(???) might make the 
> two bikes a smidge more different than each other. Basically going from 95% 
> the same bike to 90% the same bike.
>
> That's the nerdiest I've gotten about bikes in a while.
>
> Erik, Philly
>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 11:39:52 AM UTC-4, RichS wrote:
>>
>> Joel,
>>
>> I’ve not verified this with the Riv folks but the weight difference 
>> between the two seems like it would be in the tubing. My Homer and Sam have 
>> identical setups but Homer is two pounds lighter (says a bathroom scale). 
>> It also feels a touch lighter just lifting it and ditto for the ride.
>>
>> From the last Riv catalog:
>> “Sam is a hair stouter, so we give it more burly points than Homer, but 
>> the Sam and Homer are 95 percent functional clones. . .”
>>
>> Also this: “If you want speed on the road with versatility to tour or 
>> ride dirt now and then, the A. Homer Hilsen is ideal.”
>>
>> Hope this info helps with your decision. Pics or any other questions feel 
>> free to ask.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 3, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Dorothy C  wrote:
>>
>> Different brake styles would be the main thing, now that Sams are V 
>> brake 
>>
>> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 7:05:38 AM UTC-7 Joel wrote:
>>
>>> Old thread, I wonder if now since both are MIT and both now have the 
>>> same TT slope if the opinions expressed hold.  Also I don’t know if the 
>>> tubing is now the same.  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 9:39:25 PM UTC-4, Paul Choi wrote:

 I'm new to Rivendell bikes and to this forum. I'm considering a SH or 
 AHH. This would be a all-around bike that used for commuting, light 
 touring 
 and some occasional off road riding. These bikes seem similar. 

 Can you tell me the differences of these two bikes?

 For those of you that have both - your feedback would be really 
 appreciated. 

 Paul in Santa Clara, CA.

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Re: [RBW] Re: For sale bars/ saddles open to trade.

PM sent.

On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 9:43:36 PM UTC-4, Sam Perez wrote:
>
> Oh yeah we connected I am looking for a little wider saddle. As for the 
> bag how much were you thinking?
>
> On Wed, Sep 2, 2020, 2:10 PM Roberta > 
> wrote:
>
>> What Carradice bag are you looking for?  I have a black Barley, barely 
>> used and looks new.  I had the [something bigger than the junior], then the 
>> Junior, then the barley (my fav of all three), but it's still too big for 
>> me and my hour or two long rides. The only reason I'll be selling it.  I've 
>> already sold the other two.  ( I got a Banana Sack and it's perfect for my 
>> shorter rides.)  I'm in Philadelphia.
>>
>> Abraham Nussbaum just posted a Bertrand Saddle for sale on the board.
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 3:40:19 AM UTC-4, Sam Perez wrote:
>>>
>>> Sim works SO BAR - 500mm width , 26.0 clamp, reach 95mm, drop 140 , 
>>> flair 4 degrees, weight 380 according to the website. Minor scuff on the 
>>> center of bar when installing it.  Installed once a month ago size wasn't 
>>> right for me paid $120  asking$95 firm 
>>>
>>> Velo orange LEFT BANK BAR $30
>>>
>>> Velo orange PORTOUR BAR  $30
>>>
>>> Paul thumbies for Shimano 31.0 clamp  $65
>>>
>>> Nitto butterfly/ trakking bars  B825AA$80
>>>
>>> SALSA WOOD CHIPPER (black) 25.4 clamp the tops  are 42 the bottoms flair 
>>> out has a few scuff marks and bite marks where the clamp bit down $35 
>>>
>>> Nitto gold B259 new never installed $50
>>>
>>> Orion 8 tiki bar ( mustache bar) in black, has bite marks in the center 
>>> and bends  512mm width $17
>>>
>>> Brand new silver half Wald basket ( racing basket) in huge / large size 
>>> $25
>>>
>>> Brooks swift saddle in black $120
>>>
>>> Live in sf bay area, open to a safe handoff , if out of the area will 
>>> ship to lower 48 with additional charge. 
>>>
>>> Super long shot but if I don't ask how will I find out.
>>>
>>>
>>> LOOKING FOR 
>>> E deluxe 2
>>> b68 imperial or b68
>>> B17 titanium
>>> Reneherse rando bars in 42 or 40
>>> Reneherse Baby shoe pass extra lite casing 
>>> Reneherse Pumpkin ridge tire
>>> Reneherse switchback hill tire
>>> Berthoud saddle 
>>> Berthoud mirror 
>>> Swift bag any type 
>>> Medium Wald basket 
>>> E wing shifters
>>> Medium shackville shop sack
>>> Shackville rear bag
>>> Carridance bag
>>>
>>>
>>> Final note I don't know how to post pictures they seem to get rejected. 
>>> Thanks in advance!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

2020-09-03 Thread Erik Wright

A couple notes after watching Russ's review at Path Less Pedaled, too:

   1. He notes 45.5cm chainstays. He rides the 650b version, which (according 
   to this geometry chart 
   ) 
   could mean that the geo of the new batch of Sams might not be much of a 
   diversion from the last batch. 700c has 46.5cm chainstays.
  1. Unless, of course, he reviewed a Sam from the last batch that 
  Riv still had in stock.
   2. According to that same geo chart, A. Homer Hilsen has 47.5cm 
   chainstays in the 650b sizes, and up to 49cm and 53cm in the big ol' sizes.

Therefore, chainstay length + brake choice + tubing(???) might make the two 
bikes a smidge more different than each other. Basically going from 95% the 
same bike to 90% the same bike.

That's the nerdiest I've gotten about bikes in a while.

Erik, Philly

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 11:39:52 AM UTC-4, RichS wrote:
>
> Joel,
>
> I’ve not verified this with the Riv folks but the weight difference 
> between the two seems like it would be in the tubing. My Homer and Sam have 
> identical setups but Homer is two pounds lighter (says a bathroom scale). 
> It also feels a touch lighter just lifting it and ditto for the ride.
>
> From the last Riv catalog:
> “Sam is a hair stouter, so we give it more burly points than Homer, but 
> the Sam and Homer are 95 percent functional clones. . .”
>
> Also this: “If you want speed on the road with versatility to tour or ride 
> dirt now and then, the A. Homer Hilsen is ideal.”
>
> Hope this info helps with your decision. Pics or any other questions feel 
> free to ask.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 3, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Dorothy C > 
> wrote:
>
> Different brake styles would be the main thing, now that Sams are V brake 
>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 7:05:38 AM UTC-7 Joel wrote:
>
>> Old thread, I wonder if now since both are MIT and both now have the same 
>> TT slope if the opinions expressed hold.  Also I don’t know if the tubing 
>> is now the same.  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 9:39:25 PM UTC-4, Paul Choi wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm new to Rivendell bikes and to this forum. I'm considering a SH or 
>>> AHH. This would be a all-around bike that used for commuting, light touring 
>>> and some occasional off road riding. These bikes seem similar. 
>>>
>>> Can you tell me the differences of these two bikes?
>>>
>>> For those of you that have both - your feedback would be really 
>>> appreciated. 
>>>
>>> Paul in Santa Clara, CA.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: New Frame Day - Rivendell Mixte "Cargo" bike

Was this to be the original Anniversary bike?

It's LOVELY.  Happy hauling!

Roberta

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 8:17:50 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>
> Last March Grant had this frame on the Blahg and I knew that I had to have 
> it, so I pestered Riv until they sold it to me. I consider it to be a true 
> mixte - low twin top tubes. My plans are to make it my commuter bike with 
> an extra huge Wald 157 giant delivery basket on the front rack. I already 
> have 650B 48 spoke polished Cliffhanger rims, SON Classic front dyno hub, 
> NOS Sanshin large flange tandem rear hub with NOS Suntour 7 speed 
> Freewheel, Shimano Altus M310 RD,  Wavie bars on my Nitto stem with double 
> clamp bolts, Brooks B68 aged saddle. I had Riv install an IRD NeedL BlastR 
> headset with the lower roller bearings - that head tube is too long for my 
> headset press. I also have an NOS Vetta locking rear rack box (in orange) 
> that may find its way onto a rear rack.
>
> Rivendell wouldn't put a Rivendell headbadge or decals on it because it 
> does not have a Joe Bell paint job, so I opted for a Rosco Headbadge with 
> no decals. As for decals - I still have the decal letter set that Riv 
> included upon request with the first batch of Clementines, so who knows.  
> Maybe I should have asked for a Platypus headbadge?
>
> So here it is:
>
> [image: IMG_0683.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_0684.jpg]
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Clems for Kids

Love it!  Nail polished or painted lug work, with the "it's OK to use nail 
polish" of the group would allow his artistic side to come out on his bike.

The honey accents look good on both the grilver and the blue.

Roberta

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 2:30:02 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding 
Ding! wrote:
>
> And this, for living color.
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[RBW] Re: 3 Rivendells

2020-09-03 Thread Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles

Joel has heard from me, but for those reading this thread...

I rode a Sam and an Appaloosa 3 1/2 years ago and choose the Appaloosa.   I 
liked the Sam, but LOVED the ride of the Appaloosa.   Last year I bought an 
AHH because I needed a bike for my office location and the more I ride it, 
the more I love it.   

It's been 3 1/2 years since my impression of the Sam, but I feel that the 
AHH is livelier.  That impression could be because of my lack of "bike 
knowledge" at the time I rode the Sam, time between rides, or the fact that 
I'm riding the AHH a lot recently.  Perhaps if I ride a Sam tomorrow, I'd 
feel different.

Or, it could be the sizing. 51 Sam felt too small and the 55 was too big.  
The 51 Appaloosa is just a bit bigger than the 51 Sam, and the AHH 54.5 is 
"just right."  Well, perhaps I'd like a sightly lower top tube, but I like 
the overall bigness of the bike.

I ride nearly 100% on road and MUPs, but sometimes those MUPS become packed 
dirt or boardwalk planks.  I don't ride any real gravel or mountain or 
single track.

83 cm PBH.

Roberta

On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 11:31:15 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I'm afraid I can't help with this one, I've never ridden a Sam or MIT 
> Homer. Maybe Roberta can chime in here, she has an Appaloosa and Homer. 
>
> On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 6:52:45 PM UTC-7 Joel wrote:
>
>>
>> If I came home with a Mixtec my wife would steal it from me Kainalu, 
>>  I never heard of this model before, thanks for bringing it to my 
>> attention. 
>>
>> BTW, I lived in Brooklyn in 1978 and grew up in Far Rockaway.  
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 9:10:04 PM UTC-4, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
>> NY wrote:
>>>
>>> The medium step through Rosco Bubbe would be just the thing! Or the Sam 
>>> or Homer. I've only ridden an older and much larger Sam and it was the bees 
>>> knees. But if the option comes around, the Rosco would be wonderful for 
>>> you, and they're Riv blue! 
>>> Good thing for all good choices...
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 5:53:51 PM UTC-4, Joel wrote:

 I know Joe B has opinions on this as he has owned at least 2 of them.  

 My Bleriot is a tad big, not terrible but a tad too high for me.  It 
 also has very lively handling, especially with Albatross bars.  To counter 
 this a bit I hold them near the curves which puts more weight on the front 
 end and is very comfortable for me.  My Atlantis is being built up right 
 know and will be ready tomorrow.  I have considered replacing the Bleriot 
 with a Sam or Homer.  Group member Rich has given me some good 
 information, 
 the Sam will be a tad smaller (1cm) in 51cm and will be a definite fit, 
 the 
 Homer will probably be fine.  I want the bike should I do this that will 
 be 
 the most comfort and stable.  The chain stay difference is a couple of CM 
 I 
 think.  Any thoughts? 

 Thanks
 Joel

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

2020-09-03 Thread R Shannon

Joel,

I’ve not verified this with the Riv folks but the weight difference between the 
two seems like it would be in the tubing. My Homer and Sam have identical 
setups but Homer is two pounds lighter (says a bathroom scale). It also feels a 
touch lighter just lifting it and ditto for the ride.

>From the last Riv catalog:
“Sam is a hair stouter, so we give it more burly points than Homer, but the Sam 
and Homer are 95 percent functional clones. . .”

Also this: “If you want speed on the road with versatility to tour or ride dirt 
now and then, the A. Homer Hilsen is ideal.”

Hope this info helps with your decision. Pics or any other questions feel free 
to ask.

Best,
Rich in ATL

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 3, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Dorothy C  wrote:
> 
> Different brake styles would be the main thing, now that Sams are V brake 
> 
>> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 7:05:38 AM UTC-7 Joel wrote:
>> Old thread, I wonder if now since both are MIT and both now have the same TT 
>> slope if the opinions expressed hold.  Also I don’t know if the tubing is 
>> now the same.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 9:39:25 PM UTC-4, Paul Choi wrote:
>>> I'm new to Rivendell bikes and to this forum. I'm considering a SH or AHH. 
>>> This would be a all-around bike that used for commuting, light touring and 
>>> some occasional off road riding. These bikes seem similar. 
>>> 
>>> Can you tell me the differences of these two bikes?
>>> 
>>> For those of you that have both - your feedback would be really 
>>> appreciated. 
>>> 
>>> Paul in Santa Clara, CA.
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[RBW] Re: 3 Rivendells

2020-09-03 Thread Collin A

I occasionally ride my Partner's MIT homer (47.5, too small for me) on my 
commute, so I cannot comment on it thoroughly, but it is a lively bike as 
it compares to my (now sold) Clem and would be an excellent companion  to 
the Atlantis. The liveliness you describe for your bleriot with alba bars 
matches with what I have noticed with the billie bars that are on there. I 
think that is mostly a function of where your hands are relative to the 
steering axis.

The main functional difference appears to be a smaller seatpost diam for 
the Sam and v-studs/canti-posts. The geometries based on bikeinsights seem 
almost identical.

The paint on the Homer is a wonderful color, btw. Its a beautiful blue with 
just a hint of sparkle that you only see during sunny days.

Also, looks like Riv is sold out of the 51 homers, if that impacts your 
decision at all.

Cheers,
Collin in "GOOD AQI" Sacramento

On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 2:53:51 PM UTC-7 Joel wrote:

> I know Joe B has opinions on this as he has owned at least 2 of them.  
>
> My Bleriot is a tad big, not terrible but a tad too high for me.  It also 
> has very lively handling, especially with Albatross bars.  To counter this 
> a bit I hold them near the curves which puts more weight on the front end 
> and is very comfortable for me.  My Atlantis is being built up right know 
> and will be ready tomorrow.  I have considered replacing the Bleriot with a 
> Sam or Homer.  Group member Rich has given me some good information, the 
> Sam will be a tad smaller (1cm) in 51cm and will be a definite fit, the 
> Homer will probably be fine.  I want the bike should I do this that will be 
> the most comfort and stable.  The chain stay difference is a couple of CM I 
> think.  Any thoughts? 
>
> Thanks
> Joel
>

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

2020-09-03 Thread Dorothy C

Different brake styles would be the main thing, now that Sams are V brake 

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 7:05:38 AM UTC-7 Joel wrote:

> Old thread, I wonder if now since both are MIT and both now have the same 
> TT slope if the opinions expressed hold.  Also I don’t know if the tubing 
> is now the same.  
>
>
>
> On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 9:39:25 PM UTC-4, Paul Choi wrote:
>>
>> I'm new to Rivendell bikes and to this forum. I'm considering a SH or 
>> AHH. This would be a all-around bike that used for commuting, light touring 
>> and some occasional off road riding. These bikes seem similar. 
>>
>> Can you tell me the differences of these two bikes?
>>
>> For those of you that have both - your feedback would be really 
>> appreciated. 
>>
>> Paul in Santa Clara, CA.
>>
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[RBW] Re: For Sale: Heron Road 56.5cm $950

2020-09-03 Thread David Hallerman

SOLD to SR - and thanks for all your fascinating comments! - Dave in the
Hudson Valley

On 8/31/20 10:24 AM, David Hallerman wrote:

Hi,

This first-generation Heron Road was designed by Grant Petersen in the
late 1990s, built by Waterford Precision Cycles, and sold by Rivendell
Bicycle Works. This all-steel, lugged Reynolds 531 tubing bike is in
impeccable condition as are all the parts, since I put only 280
dry-weather miles on the odometer since its recent build with new parts.

For now, though, what do I love best about this bike? Takes wider
tires than many road bikes, and it's balanced, elegant, and much fun
to ride. Parts highlights include Velocity wheels bought from
Rivendell and the ever-lovely Sugino Alpina silver cranks.

At *$950*, I believe this is a really good deal. Note the price does
not include the saddle, pedals, and accessories. Detailed geometry and
parts info below. Please read the NOTES below, too. Note as well that
I cannot ship the bike right now, so the price is for pickup here in
northern Westchester or I'll deliver your purchase within a 25-mile
(or so) distance from my home.

One photo attached, and more here:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/3Cs6TrE84nN98Rem9

All questions quickly answered.

Dave
+
Hudson Valley NY

_*GEOMETRY*_
Seat tube (c-c) = 56.0 cm
Top tube = 56.5 cm
Head tube = 143 mm
Chainstay = 42.5 mm
Standover height = 81.0 cm
Head tube angle = 73.5°
Seat tube angle = 72.5°

_*PARTS (saddle, pedals, accessories not included)*_
Headset = Chris King 2-Nut, 1-inch threaded
Stem = Nitto UI-2, 110mm/90°
Cranks = Sugino Alpina, 170mm
Chainrings = Sugino 48/34
Cassette = Shimano Deore XT (750), 9-speed, 12x34
Front Derailleur = Shimano Dura-Ace (7410)
Rear Derailleur = Shimano Deore XT (750), 9-speed
Shifters = Campagnolo Centaur, 10-speed, grey
Brakes = Shimano Ultegra SL, grey
Seatpost = Suntour XC Pro, 27.2mm
Wheels = Velocity Silver hubs/Velocity Synergy rims
Tires = Vittoria Rubino Pro Tech, 700x28

_*NOTES*_
The bike combines Campy Ergo shifters with a Shimano mountain rear
cassette and a compact crankset. The Campy-Shimano merger is powered
by a Shiftmate, a device I've found wonderfully reliable across dozens
of bikes, with indexing as accurate and smooth as single-group setups.

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[RBW] Re: FS: 1984 Trek 850 - 22"

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[RBW] Re: New Frame Day - Rivendell Mixte "Cargo" bike

2020-09-03 Thread Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles

So cool!!

I hope they do a cargo-specific design some day...

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[RBW] Re: Sam Hillborne vs A. Homer Hilsen

Old thread, I wonder if now since both are MIT and both now have the same 
TT slope if the opinions expressed hold.  Also I don’t know if the tubing 
is now the same.  



On Friday, August 11, 2017 at 9:39:25 PM UTC-4, Paul Choi wrote:
>
> I'm new to Rivendell bikes and to this forum. I'm considering a SH or AHH. 
> This would be a all-around bike that used for commuting, light touring and 
> some occasional off road riding. These bikes seem similar. 
>
> Can you tell me the differences of these two bikes?
>
> For those of you that have both - your feedback would be really 
> appreciated. 
>
> Paul in Santa Clara, CA.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Delight us with your 2020 Clems!

2020-09-03 Thread Leah Peterson

Clems built in 2020 totally count, Mark and David. I have a 2019 Clem, too, so 
I’m especially sympathetic.  I mostly specified so we can see the latest 
iteration of Clem, but I think the 2019 model is nearly identical to the 2020.

Carry on!

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 3, 2020, at 6:10 AM, David Carner  wrote:
> 
> 
> I guess I am guilty of the same faux pas. My heavy duty build was not 
> completed until well into 2020, but the frame is from the 2019 batch.
> Apologies, 
> David
> 
>> On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 9:17:17 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:
>> Another oops. I colored outside the lines! It only now dawns on me that you 
>> were soliciting Clems from the latest batch, which of course makes sense. 
>> And there I go on about my old outdated 2019. But I didn't build it until 
>> well into 2020. And nobody had responded, so I suppose I can be credited 
>> with getting the ball rolling. I will pay more attention next time. Lots of 
>> nice new Clems out there!
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 3:52:18 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>> 
>>>  The Clementine (that’s what I call my 2019 Clem L) 
>> 
 On Aug 30, 2020, at 7:53 AM, kim young  wrote:
 
>>> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: New Frame Day - Rivendell Mixte "Cargo" bike

2020-09-03 Thread lconley

Rear rack would only be for Vetta Box, not a big load.

[image: Capture.JPG]

Laing


On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 9:43:57 AM UTC-4, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> Super cool. You're putting a rear rack on it? I wonder how it would feel 
> with a heavy load up front and in back? I put some ridiculously heavy loads 
> on the front of my "mixtes" (one having been Marty's in the past!) avoiding 
> the addition of rear loads for fear of frame waggle and what that might 
> mean for structural longevity. I'm curious how the twin tubes do in that 
> regard. Seems, as they are outboard of the center line that they'd do much 
> better than a centered single tube. One thing's for absolutely sure, they 
> look stunning!
> Enjoy it
> -Kai
>
>
> On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 8:17:50 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>>
>> Last March Grant had this frame on the Blahg and I knew that I had to 
>> have it, so I pestered Riv until they sold it to me. I consider it to be a 
>> true mixte - low twin top tubes. My plans are to make it my commuter 
>> bike with an extra huge Wald 157 giant delivery basket on the front rack. I 
>> already have 650B 48 spoke polished Cliffhanger rims, SON Classic front 
>> dyno hub, NOS Sanshin large flange tandem rear hub with NOS Suntour 7 speed 
>> Freewheel, Shimano Altus M310 RD,  Wavie bars on my Nitto stem with double 
>> clamp bolts, Brooks B68 aged saddle. I had Riv install an IRD NeedL BlastR 
>> headset with the lower roller bearings - that head tube is too long for my 
>> headset press. I also have an NOS Vetta locking rear rack box (in orange) 
>> that may find its way onto a rear rack.
>>
>> Rivendell wouldn't put a Rivendell headbadge or decals on it because it 
>> does not have a Joe Bell paint job, so I opted for a Rosco Headbadge with 
>> no decals. As for decals - I still have the decal letter set that Riv 
>> included upon request with the first batch of Clementines, so who knows.  
>> Maybe I should have asked for a Platypus headbadge?
>>
>> So here it is:
>>
>> [image: IMG_0683.jpg]
>>
>> [image: IMG_0684.jpg]
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Frame Day - Rivendell Mixte "Cargo" bike

2020-09-03 Thread lconley

Go Gators.

UF graduate.

On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 9:45:08 AM UTC-4, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> P.S.- Knicks fan?
>
>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Frame Day - Rivendell Mixte "Cargo" bike

2020-09-03 Thread Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY

P.S.- Knicks fan?


On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 8:17:50 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>
> Last March Grant had this frame on the Blahg and I knew that I had to have 
> it, so I pestered Riv until they sold it to me. I consider it to be a true 
> mixte - low twin top tubes. My plans are to make it my commuter bike with 
> an extra huge Wald 157 giant delivery basket on the front rack. I already 
> have 650B 48 spoke polished Cliffhanger rims, SON Classic front dyno hub, 
> NOS Sanshin large flange tandem rear hub with NOS Suntour 7 speed 
> Freewheel, Shimano Altus M310 RD,  Wavie bars on my Nitto stem with double 
> clamp bolts, Brooks B68 aged saddle. I had Riv install an IRD NeedL BlastR 
> headset with the lower roller bearings - that head tube is too long for my 
> headset press. I also have an NOS Vetta locking rear rack box (in orange) 
> that may find its way onto a rear rack.
>
> Rivendell wouldn't put a Rivendell headbadge or decals on it because it 
> does not have a Joe Bell paint job, so I opted for a Rosco Headbadge with 
> no decals. As for decals - I still have the decal letter set that Riv 
> included upon request with the first batch of Clementines, so who knows.  
> Maybe I should have asked for a Platypus headbadge?
>
> So here it is:
>
> [image: IMG_0683.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_0684.jpg]
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Frame Day - Rivendell Mixte "Cargo" bike

2020-09-03 Thread Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY

Super cool. You're putting a rear rack on it? I wonder how it would feel 
with a heavy load up front and in back? I put some ridiculously heavy loads 
on the front of my "mixtes" (one having been Marty's in the past!) avoiding 
the addition of rear loads for fear of frame waggle and what that might 
mean for structural longevity. I'm curious how the twin tubes do in that 
regard. Seems, as they are outboard of the center line that they'd do much 
better than a centered single tube. One thing's for absolutely sure, they 
look stunning!
Enjoy it
-Kai


On Thursday, September 3, 2020 at 8:17:50 AM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>
> Last March Grant had this frame on the Blahg and I knew that I had to have 
> it, so I pestered Riv until they sold it to me. I consider it to be a true 
> mixte - low twin top tubes. My plans are to make it my commuter bike with 
> an extra huge Wald 157 giant delivery basket on the front rack. I already 
> have 650B 48 spoke polished Cliffhanger rims, SON Classic front dyno hub, 
> NOS Sanshin large flange tandem rear hub with NOS Suntour 7 speed 
> Freewheel, Shimano Altus M310 RD,  Wavie bars on my Nitto stem with double 
> clamp bolts, Brooks B68 aged saddle. I had Riv install an IRD NeedL BlastR 
> headset with the lower roller bearings - that head tube is too long for my 
> headset press. I also have an NOS Vetta locking rear rack box (in orange) 
> that may find its way onto a rear rack.
>
> Rivendell wouldn't put a Rivendell headbadge or decals on it because it 
> does not have a Joe Bell paint job, so I opted for a Rosco Headbadge with 
> no decals. As for decals - I still have the decal letter set that Riv 
> included upon request with the first batch of Clementines, so who knows.  
> Maybe I should have asked for a Platypus headbadge?
>
> So here it is:
>
> [image: IMG_0683.jpg]
>
> [image: IMG_0684.jpg]
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Frame Day - Rivendell Mixte "Cargo" bike

2020-09-03 Thread Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA



Last March Grant had this frame on the Blahg and I knew that I had to have 
> it, so I pestered Riv until they sold it to me. 
>

This is one to watch! Really interesting one-of-one frame. Cool factor X11! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Delight us with your 2020 Clems!

2020-09-03 Thread David Carner

I guess I am guilty of the same faux pas. My heavy duty build was not 
completed until well into 2020, but the frame is from the 2019 batch.
Apologies, 
David

On Wednesday, September 2, 2020 at 9:17:17 PM UTC-5 Mark Roland wrote:

> Another oops. I colored outside the lines! It only now dawns on me that 
> you were soliciting Clems from the latest batch, which of course makes 
> sense. And there I go on about my old outdated 2019. But I didn't build it 
> until well into 2020. And nobody had responded, so I suppose I can be 
> credited with getting the ball rolling. I will pay more attention next 
> time. Lots of nice new Clems out there!
>
>
> On Sunday, August 30, 2020 at 3:52:18 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>>  The Clementine (that’s what I call my 2019 Clem L) 
>>
> On Aug 30, 2020, at 7:53 AM, kim young  wrote:
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Clems for Kids