Re: [RBW] Re: What? No bikes at RBW?

[Jason Fuller]

Rivendell, Crust, and bike brands of that size all operate on a budget that 
doesn't allow any significant inventory - pre-sales and ensuring batches 
are sold swiftly is key to keeping the budget balanced 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Monocog!!!

[Joe Bernard]

Look at all that teal. Your unfortunately named Platypus is going to be the 
cat's knees and the bee's meow!

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 9:19:14 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Patrick Moore, you’ve gone too far! The only thing your homely Monocog has 
> in common with my Racing Platypus is that they’re equally unfortunately 
> named!!! 
>
> Just you wait until I show you up in a week or so. There it will be, the 
> First Platypus, resplendent in raspberry metallic paint and silvery parts 
> from the elves of Rivendell, topped off with glimmering anodized bits from 
> Analog. You will eat crow. And here’s a glimpse. 
> Leah
>
> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 2:42:06 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Gear is 65" b/c tire is 30 1/2" tall.
>>
>> Riv content: Wish the 18" stays were 19" long.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 3:36 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> Just rode it for an hour on dirt except for a mile or so of pavement. 
>>> Bar too low; need an upriser stem of about same length to get bar higher 
>>> and a bit closer. Higher and closer, the 54 cm will be pretty just-right, 
>>> tho' my left palm has always started tingling after 2 to 10 miles, 
>>> depending on the type of "anything-except-drop" bar. BUt after 11 miles, my 
>>> palm is just starting to tingle. I'll replace the stem, then if that does 
>>> not suffice, consider a bar with some fore/aft bend.
>>>
>>> WTB Rangers (3") are quite nice! The outer knobs rub delicately on the 
>>> chainstays when I corner of hit a hard bump, but this is a beater, and I am 
>>> sure that those stays are not .4mm thick. Let 'em rub! The Rangers roll 
>>> relatively fast on pavement (sure, the gear is only 64" and the crankarms 
>>> are, I think, 180s, but still, compared to other knobbies, these do seem to 
>>> roll fast -- better, even, than the nice Maxxis Ikons that I installed on 
>>> my erstwhile late-Santa-Cruz-era (1996) Bontrager Race Lite. I am chuffed! 
>>> And the fatness (sounds like the KJV) just makes the ride plush and smooth, 
>>> even if slow and somewhat plodding; it's *nice* plodding.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 3:16 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks. No, no sharpie; perhaps a previous owner did? I haven't seen a 
 name.

 This just in! Bar was originally 76 cm, I trimmed it 4 or 5 times, now 
 it's 54 cm and almost narrow enough. But because of the bulge to 31.8, the 
 levers can't move inward any further, and I like the grips. 

 Narrow is Nice!

 On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 2:41 PM Earls61  wrote:

>  Nice! That would be a great winter bike here in the snow lands! Did 
> you sharpie out the name on the down tube?
>
> Robert Alan
> Ohio
>
> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 3:32:18 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I want to compare the ineffable beauty of my new Monocog with that of 
>> Leah's Platypus. Mine wins by a mile. I'm really serious.
>>
>> I traded this for the 2003 26" wheel Curt Riv Road custom, so it's on 
>> topic.
>>
>> Seriousness aside, I just had the original rear tire replaced -- I 
>> swear, 5 lb; the casing felt and looked like a car tire! -- so that both 
>> f 
>> and r are WTB Rangers set up tubeless. The bike lost 2 lb from the tubes 
>> and that massively heavy tire, this with the sealant in the new setup.
>>
>> I also cut the bar from 76 cm to 57 cm, raised the saddle and shoved 
>> it back, and flipped the stem "up". Far more comfortable, far easier to 
>> pedal -- on the inaugural ride it felt like a 90" gear with a 135 mm 
>> crank 
>> on flat tires with brakes dragging.
>>
>> It's now fun to ride, though only if you keep "just ride" in mind; 
>> it's not a bike to try to go fast on.
>>
>> Off for bosque ride.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>>
>> ---
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] Re: What? No bikes at RBW?

[rltilley]

Tumbleweed is about to get a batch of frames in and they don’t expect any more 
to come in until next summer. Sourcing is getting tougher.

Even getting parts for appliance repairs is a pain. We need to get our washer 
fixed and our repair guy says it’s crazy how hard it is to get any parts now. 

Robert “mad world” Tilley
San Diego, CA

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> On Nov 13, 2020, at 8:07 PM, Mark Roland  wrote:
> 
> 
> Bikes are mostly out of stock everywhere. Riv is lucky to be getting semi 
> regular production runs shipped to them. 
> 
> Still hard to find many parts, too. 
> 
> Not sure what forum or thread, but I pointed out that Rivendell's business 
> model has been going this way--batch shipments of a single model, sell them 
> off, in comes the next batch--for a while. This is helped by the dealer 
> network, whereas a while back it was almost all web. Now I imagine Blue Lug 
> takes 25% right off the top, then the rest, then Riv. 
> 
> More and more small production run companies are doing this; a good example 
> is Acorn Bags.  They announce an upcoming release, and most everything is 
> sold through within a few hours of going live. My local brewery does the same 
> thing with their beers. You sell the stuff that doesn't cost a fortune to sit 
> on in the warehouse--parts, clothes, the odd frame here and there--while you 
> wait for the next container ship. Keeps better tabs on your capital outlays, 
> too. From outside appearances, it seems to be working okay. I hope it is.
> 
>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 8:26:54 PM UTC-5 Jim M. wrote:
>> Anyone else notice that bikes are mostly out of stock at RBW? I'm not sure 
>> if that's a good thing (they're successfully selling everything) or bad 
>> thing (they're not keeping up with demand.
>> 
>> jim m
>> walnut creek
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cold Weather Gloves PSA

[Ben Mihovk]

I’d guess not very well in a heavy rain. People love the mitts for snow 
activities, so I’m sure they’re okay for quick trips in light showers. But they 
are leather shells and not seam sealed.

Honestly...if it’s cold enough to need these mitts, it’ll be snowing, not 
raining. 

The piggyback gloves would not be great in heavy rain either. I could see the 
cloth portions getting wet quick and soaking through. 

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> On Nov 13, 2020, at 9:14 PM, Eamon Nordquist  wrote:
> 
> Have you any time idea how they hold up in the rain?
> 
> Eamon
> Seattle 
> 
>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 7:44:08 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hey everyone!
>> I've brought these up in another thread, but thought I'd share again for the 
>> good of the group.
>> 
>> Raber Gloves are made in Winnipeg...and the only reason I can find them as 
>> far south as Nebraska is that my favorite LBS gets in an order every winter. 
>> I have links to the gloves below where you can buy them from my favorite 
>> local place, but if you see these gloves for sale in person or on another 
>> site and you need good gloves, buy them.
>> 
>> Garbage Mitts
>> http://www.ponderosacyclery.com/store/garbagechopper-mitt
>> These are insulated leather gloves with cuff that is stretchy, snug, and 
>> comfy. I wore them on my ride today (18 degrees) and did not even need wool 
>> liner gloves. I think I could go below zero with these gloves + wool liners. 
>> They're not 100% windproof, but I'd say maybe 85-90% windproof. They're 
>> called Garbage Mitts because trash collectors in the Great White North use 
>> them.
>> 
>> Piggyback Gloves
>> http://www.ponderosacyclery.com/store/raber-gloves
>> I love these gloves for cool weather. Low 50s down to mid 30s maybe. With a 
>> wool liner, lower (but you can't beat the Garbage Mitts for low 30s and 
>> down). Just little easier for shifting and braking than the mitts. 
>> 
>> I'd happily answer any questions you have about them. Just thought I'd share 
>> my favorite accessories with the group. I could easily see Rivendell selling 
>> these (if it ever got cold enough in the Bay Area). 
>> 
>> Have a great weekend!
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[RBW] Re: What? No bikes at RBW?

[Mark Roland]

Bikes are mostly out of stock everywhere. Riv is lucky to be getting semi 
regular production runs shipped to them. 

Still hard to find many parts, too. 

Not sure what forum or thread, but I pointed out that Rivendell's business 
model has been going this way--batch shipments of a single model, sell them 
off, in comes the next batch--for a while. This is helped by the dealer 
network, whereas a while back it was almost all web. Now I imagine Blue Lug 
takes 25% right off the top, then the rest, then Riv. 

More and more small production run companies are doing this; a good example 
is Acorn Bags.  They announce an upcoming release, and most everything is 
sold through within a few hours of going live. My local brewery does the 
same thing with their beers. You sell the stuff that doesn't cost a fortune 
to sit on in the warehouse--parts, clothes, the odd frame here and 
there--while you wait for the next container ship. Keeps better tabs on 
your capital outlays, too. From outside appearances, it seems to be working 
okay. I hope it is.

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 8:26:54 PM UTC-5 Jim M. wrote:

> Anyone else notice that bikes are mostly out of stock at RBW? I'm not sure 
> if that's a good thing (they're successfully selling everything) or bad 
> thing (they're not keeping up with demand.
>
> jim m
> walnut creek
>

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[RBW] Re: head badges

[Mark Roland]

Drill, baby, drill!
On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 5:40:24 PM UTC-5 Brian Witt wrote:

> Hi allin my stable of bikes I have a Bob Jackson touring.  As you may 
> have heard, they are closing up shop. I managed to buy  a  cast  head badge 
> for my bike to replace the decal, and i noticed the head badge on my 
> Rivendell Quickbeam is attached with some sort of adhesive (i  think...)... 
> The Bob Jackson  badge came with two very small screws does anybody 
> have an idea about what sort of adhesive The guys at Rivendell use?  I 
> could drill and tap the head tube but i am not confident enough to try! 

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Re: [RBW] head badges

[rltilley]

GoPro uses 3M VHB 4991 tape on their mounts. That would be plenty strong for a 
head badge and should also be weather resistant.

Robert Tilley
San Diego, CA

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> On Nov 13, 2020, at 7:04 PM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY  
> wrote:
> 
> And make sure to stick it to the headbadge first, then trim away any 
> unsightly tape while you've got the edges in easy sight of your x-acto blade, 
> and stick that sucker willy nilly!*  As opposed to on the bike frame first, 
> which would lead to frustrations, or incomplete adhesion depending on how 
> much tape you had sticking out or sunken in**
> -Kai
> *or carefully
> **duh, which is what you're probably thinking, but just in case.
>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 5:49:40 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>> I’ve used this successful in similar applications:
>> 
>> https://www.amazon.com/Heavy-Duty-Exterior-Mounting-Tape-Holds/dp/B4Z4BV/ref=sr_1_20?crid=1JKVL6O7M6U5E=1=3m+double+sided+tape+heavy+duty=1605307721=3m+%2Caps%2C232=8-20
>> 
>> Designed for outdoor use, so it won’t fall off if it gets wet.
>> 
>> --Eric Norris
>> campyo...@me.com
>> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
>> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>> 
 On Nov 13, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Ben Mihovk  wrote:
 
>>> According to the PDF catalog on their website, Rivendell uses "double stick 
>>> tape" to put the headbadges on. Maybe some digging on 3M's website might 
>>> turn up a good solution.,
>>> 
>>> Ben
>>> 
 On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 4:40 PM Brian Witt  wrote:
 Hi allin my stable of bikes I have a Bob Jackson touring.  As you may 
 have heard, they are closing up shop. I managed to buy  a  cast  head 
 badge for my bike to replace the decal, and i noticed the head badge on my 
 Rivendell Quickbeam is attached with some sort of adhesive (i  
 think...)... The Bob Jackson  badge came with two very small screws 
 does anybody have an idea about what sort of adhesive The guys at 
 Rivendell use?  I could drill and tap the head tube but i am not confident 
 enough to try! 
 
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[RBW] Re: Cold Weather Gloves PSA

[Eamon Nordquist]

Have you any time idea how they hold up in the rain?

Eamon
Seattle 

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 7:44:08 AM UTC-8 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey everyone!
> I've brought these up in another thread, but thought I'd share again for 
> the good of the group.
>
> Raber Gloves are made in Winnipeg...and the only reason I can find them as 
> far south as Nebraska is that my favorite LBS gets in an order every 
> winter. I have links to the gloves below where you can buy them from my 
> favorite local place, but if you see these gloves for sale in person or on 
> another site and you need good gloves, buy them.
>
> Garbage Mitts
> http://www.ponderosacyclery.com/store/garbagechopper-mitt
> These are insulated leather gloves with cuff that is stretchy, snug, and 
> comfy. I wore them on my ride today (18 degrees) and did not even need wool 
> liner gloves. I think I could go below zero with these gloves + wool 
> liners. They're not 100% windproof, but I'd say maybe 85-90% windproof. 
> They're called Garbage Mitts because trash collectors in the Great White 
> North use them.
>
> Piggyback Gloves
> http://www.ponderosacyclery.com/store/raber-gloves
> I love these gloves for cool weather. Low 50s down to mid 30s maybe. With 
> a wool liner, lower (but you can't beat the Garbage Mitts for low 30s and 
> down). Just little easier for shifting and braking than the mitts. 
>
> I'd happily answer any questions you have about them. Just thought I'd 
> share my favorite accessories with the group. I could easily see Rivendell 
> selling these (if it ever got cold enough in the Bay Area). 
>
> Have a great weekend!
>

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Re: [RBW] head badges

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

And make sure to stick it to the headbadge first, then trim away any 
unsightly tape while you've got the edges in easy sight of your x-acto 
blade, and stick that sucker willy nilly!*  As opposed to on the bike frame 
first, which would lead to frustrations, or incomplete adhesion depending 
on how much tape you had sticking out or sunken in**
-Kai
*or carefully
**duh, which is what you're probably thinking, but just in case.
On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 5:49:40 PM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> I’ve used this successful in similar applications:
>
>
> https://www.amazon.com/Heavy-Duty-Exterior-Mounting-Tape-Holds/dp/B4Z4BV/ref=sr_1_20?crid=1JKVL6O7M6U5E=1=3m+double+sided+tape+heavy+duty=1605307721=3m+%2Caps%2C232=8-20
>  
> 
>
> Designed for outdoor use, so it won’t fall off if it gets wet.
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy  
>
> On Nov 13, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Ben Mihovk  wrote:
>
> According to the PDF catalog on their website, Rivendell uses "double 
> stick tape" to put the headbadges on. Maybe some digging on 3M's website 
> might turn up a good solution.,
>
> Ben
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 4:40 PM Brian Witt  wrote:
>
>> Hi allin my stable of bikes I have a Bob Jackson touring.  As you may 
>> have heard, they are closing up shop. I managed to buy  a  cast  head badge 
>> for my bike to replace the decal, and i noticed the head badge on my 
>> Rivendell Quickbeam is attached with some sort of adhesive (i  think...)... 
>> The Bob Jackson  badge came with two very small screws does anybody 
>> have an idea about what sort of adhesive The guys at Rivendell use?  I 
>> could drill and tap the head tube but i am not confident enough to try!  
>>
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[RBW] Re: My new 26" wheeled drop bar Atlantis

[Philip Williamson]

I saw your lever hack and said, “O dude!” California born and bred here. 
That’s a great addition to the bike tinkering knowledge base. I’m pretty 
sure I’ll use that in the mid to near future. I’d be honored to send you a 
free Bike Tinkers Union patch and sticker set for that idea. 
Pick what you want, and let me know: 
https://www.etsy.com/shop/philipwilliamson

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA
On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 9:02:28 AM UTC-8 dave_manze...@yahoo.com 
wrote:

> I am just about done putting this together and am really excited. I 
> purchased a 50cm frame from the garage sale section this summer. It is a 
> little smaller than what they would recommend for my 84 PBH, but given the 
> long top tube and my plan to use drop bars I felt pretty confident it would 
> work. I was attracted to the 26" wheeled Atlantis as such long running 
> model and I was interested in running the excellent 2.3" rat trap pass 
> tires. The other new thing I did was modify my TRP RRL levers to be used 
> with V-brakes. The strange shape of the lever allows an additional set of 
> holes to be drilled doubling the lever arm - it works great. I am still 
> experimenting with the stem lengths, but wanted to share my project.

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[RBW] Re: What? No bikes at RBW?

[Joe Bernard]

Demand is nice but I'm not sure it's good that they can't keep up with it. 
You can't sell bikes you don't have. 

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 5:26:54 PM UTC-8 Jim M. wrote:

> Anyone else notice that bikes are mostly out of stock at RBW? I'm not sure 
> if that's a good thing (they're successfully selling everything) or bad 
> thing (they're not keeping up with demand.
>
> jim m
> walnut creek
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[RBW] What? No bikes at RBW?

[Jim M.]

Anyone else notice that bikes are mostly out of stock at RBW? I'm not sure 
if that's a good thing (they're successfully selling everything) or bad 
thing (they're not keeping up with demand.

jim m
walnut creek

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Re: [RBW] head badges

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I’ve used this successful in similar applications:

https://www.amazon.com/Heavy-Duty-Exterior-Mounting-Tape-Holds/dp/B4Z4BV/ref=sr_1_20?crid=1JKVL6O7M6U5E=1=3m+double+sided+tape+heavy+duty=1605307721=3m+%2Caps%2C232=8-20
 


Designed for outdoor use, so it won’t fall off if it gets wet.

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> On Nov 13, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Ben Mihovk  wrote:
> 
> According to the PDF catalog on their website, Rivendell uses "double stick 
> tape" to put the headbadges on. Maybe some digging on 3M's website might turn 
> up a good solution.,
> 
> Ben
> 
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 4:40 PM Brian Witt  > wrote:
> Hi allin my stable of bikes I have a Bob Jackson touring.  As you may 
> have heard, they are closing up shop. I managed to buy  a  cast  head badge 
> for my bike to replace the decal, and i noticed the head badge on my 
> Rivendell Quickbeam is attached with some sort of adhesive (i  think...)... 
> The Bob Jackson  badge came with two very small screws does anybody have 
> an idea about what sort of adhesive The guys at Rivendell use?  I could drill 
> and tap the head tube but i am not confident enough to try! 
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Re: [RBW] head badges

[Ben Mihovk]

According to the PDF catalog on their website, Rivendell uses "double stick
tape" to put the headbadges on. Maybe some digging on 3M's website might
turn up a good solution.,

Ben

On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 4:40 PM Brian Witt  wrote:

> Hi allin my stable of bikes I have a Bob Jackson touring.  As you may
> have heard, they are closing up shop. I managed to buy  a  cast  head badge
> for my bike to replace the decal, and i noticed the head badge on my
> Rivendell Quickbeam is attached with some sort of adhesive (i  think...)...
> The Bob Jackson  badge came with two very small screws does anybody
> have an idea about what sort of adhesive The guys at Rivendell use?  I
> could drill and tap the head tube but i am not confident enough to try!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Monocog!!!

[Patrick Moore]

Gear is 65" b/c tire is 30 1/2" tall.

Riv content: Wish the 18" stays were 19" long.

On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 3:36 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Just rode it for an hour on dirt except for a mile or so of pavement. Bar
> too low; need an upriser stem of about same length to get bar higher and a
> bit closer. Higher and closer, the 54 cm will be pretty just-right, tho' my
> left palm has always started tingling after 2 to 10 miles, depending on the
> type of "anything-except-drop" bar. BUt after 11 miles, my palm is just
> starting to tingle. I'll replace the stem, then if that does not suffice,
> consider a bar with some fore/aft bend.
>
> WTB Rangers (3") are quite nice! The outer knobs rub delicately on the
> chainstays when I corner of hit a hard bump, but this is a beater, and I am
> sure that those stays are not .4mm thick. Let 'em rub! The Rangers roll
> relatively fast on pavement (sure, the gear is only 64" and the crankarms
> are, I think, 180s, but still, compared to other knobbies, these do seem to
> roll fast -- better, even, than the nice Maxxis Ikons that I installed on
> my erstwhile late-Santa-Cruz-era (1996) Bontrager Race Lite. I am chuffed!
> And the fatness (sounds like the KJV) just makes the ride plush and smooth,
> even if slow and somewhat plodding; it's *nice* plodding.
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 3:16 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Thanks. No, no sharpie; perhaps a previous owner did? I haven't seen a
>> name.
>>
>> This just in! Bar was originally 76 cm, I trimmed it 4 or 5 times, now
>> it's 54 cm and almost narrow enough. But because of the bulge to 31.8, the
>> levers can't move inward any further, and I like the grips.
>>
>> Narrow is Nice!
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 2:41 PM Earls61  wrote:
>>
>>>  Nice! That would be a great winter bike here in the snow lands! Did you
>>> sharpie out the name on the down tube?
>>>
>>> Robert Alan
>>> Ohio
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 3:32:18 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I want to compare the ineffable beauty of my new Monocog with that of
 Leah's Platypus. Mine wins by a mile. I'm really serious.

 I traded this for the 2003 26" wheel Curt Riv Road custom, so it's on
 topic.

 Seriousness aside, I just had the original rear tire replaced -- I
 swear, 5 lb; the casing felt and looked like a car tire! -- so that both f
 and r are WTB Rangers set up tubeless. The bike lost 2 lb from the tubes
 and that massively heavy tire, this with the sealant in the new setup.

 I also cut the bar from 76 cm to 57 cm, raised the saddle and shoved it
 back, and flipped the stem "up". Far more comfortable, far easier to pedal
 -- on the inaugural ride it felt like a 90" gear with a 135 mm crank on
 flat tires with brakes dragging.

 It's now fun to ride, though only if you keep "just ride" in mind; it's
 not a bike to try to go fast on.

 Off for bosque ride.

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[RBW] head badges

[Brian Witt]

Hi allin my stable of bikes I have a Bob Jackson touring.  As you may 
have heard, they are closing up shop. I managed to buy  a  cast  head badge 
for my bike to replace the decal, and i noticed the head badge on my 
Rivendell Quickbeam is attached with some sort of adhesive (i  think...)... 
The Bob Jackson  badge came with two very small screws does anybody 
have an idea about what sort of adhesive The guys at Rivendell use?  I 
could drill and tap the head tube but i am not confident enough to try! 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Monocog!!!

[Patrick Moore]

Just rode it for an hour on dirt except for a mile or so of pavement. Bar
too low; need an upriser stem of about same length to get bar higher and a
bit closer. Higher and closer, the 54 cm will be pretty just-right, tho' my
left palm has always started tingling after 2 to 10 miles, depending on the
type of "anything-except-drop" bar. BUt after 11 miles, my palm is just
starting to tingle. I'll replace the stem, then if that does not suffice,
consider a bar with some fore/aft bend.

WTB Rangers (3") are quite nice! The outer knobs rub delicately on the
chainstays when I corner of hit a hard bump, but this is a beater, and I am
sure that those stays are not .4mm thick. Let 'em rub! The Rangers roll
relatively fast on pavement (sure, the gear is only 64" and the crankarms
are, I think, 180s, but still, compared to other knobbies, these do seem to
roll fast -- better, even, than the nice Maxxis Ikons that I installed on
my erstwhile late-Santa-Cruz-era (1996) Bontrager Race Lite. I am chuffed!
And the fatness (sounds like the KJV) just makes the ride plush and smooth,
even if slow and somewhat plodding; it's *nice* plodding.

On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 3:16 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Thanks. No, no sharpie; perhaps a previous owner did? I haven't seen a
> name.
>
> This just in! Bar was originally 76 cm, I trimmed it 4 or 5 times, now
> it's 54 cm and almost narrow enough. But because of the bulge to 31.8, the
> levers can't move inward any further, and I like the grips.
>
> Narrow is Nice!
>
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 2:41 PM Earls61  wrote:
>
>>  Nice! That would be a great winter bike here in the snow lands! Did you
>> sharpie out the name on the down tube?
>>
>> Robert Alan
>> Ohio
>>
>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 3:32:18 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I want to compare the ineffable beauty of my new Monocog with that of
>>> Leah's Platypus. Mine wins by a mile. I'm really serious.
>>>
>>> I traded this for the 2003 26" wheel Curt Riv Road custom, so it's on
>>> topic.
>>>
>>> Seriousness aside, I just had the original rear tire replaced -- I
>>> swear, 5 lb; the casing felt and looked like a car tire! -- so that both f
>>> and r are WTB Rangers set up tubeless. The bike lost 2 lb from the tubes
>>> and that massively heavy tire, this with the sealant in the new setup.
>>>
>>> I also cut the bar from 76 cm to 57 cm, raised the saddle and shoved it
>>> back, and flipped the stem "up". Far more comfortable, far easier to pedal
>>> -- on the inaugural ride it felt like a 90" gear with a 135 mm crank on
>>> flat tires with brakes dragging.
>>>
>>> It's now fun to ride, though only if you keep "just ride" in mind; it's
>>> not a bike to try to go fast on.
>>>
>>> Off for bosque ride.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Monocog!!!

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. No, no sharpie; perhaps a previous owner did? I haven't seen a name.

This just in! Bar was originally 76 cm, I trimmed it 4 or 5 times, now it's
54 cm and almost narrow enough. But because of the bulge to 31.8, the
levers can't move inward any further, and I like the grips.

Narrow is Nice!

On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 2:41 PM Earls61  wrote:

>  Nice! That would be a great winter bike here in the snow lands! Did you
> sharpie out the name on the down tube?
>
> Robert Alan
> Ohio
>
> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 3:32:18 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I want to compare the ineffable beauty of my new Monocog with that of
>> Leah's Platypus. Mine wins by a mile. I'm really serious.
>>
>> I traded this for the 2003 26" wheel Curt Riv Road custom, so it's on
>> topic.
>>
>> Seriousness aside, I just had the original rear tire replaced -- I swear,
>> 5 lb; the casing felt and looked like a car tire! -- so that both f and r
>> are WTB Rangers set up tubeless. The bike lost 2 lb from the tubes and that
>> massively heavy tire, this with the sealant in the new setup.
>>
>> I also cut the bar from 76 cm to 57 cm, raised the saddle and shoved it
>> back, and flipped the stem "up". Far more comfortable, far easier to pedal
>> -- on the inaugural ride it felt like a 90" gear with a 135 mm crank on
>> flat tires with brakes dragging.
>>
>> It's now fun to ride, though only if you keep "just ride" in mind; it's
>> not a bike to try to go fast on.
>>
>> Off for bosque ride.
>>
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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[RBW] Re: Monocog!!!

[Earls61]

 Nice! That would be a great winter bike here in the snow lands! Did you 
sharpie out the name on the down tube?

Robert Alan
Ohio

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 3:32:18 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I want to compare the ineffable beauty of my new Monocog with that of 
> Leah's Platypus. Mine wins by a mile. I'm really serious.
>
> I traded this for the 2003 26" wheel Curt Riv Road custom, so it's on 
> topic.
>
> Seriousness aside, I just had the original rear tire replaced -- I swear, 
> 5 lb; the casing felt and looked like a car tire! -- so that both f and r 
> are WTB Rangers set up tubeless. The bike lost 2 lb from the tubes and that 
> massively heavy tire, this with the sealant in the new setup.
>
> I also cut the bar from 76 cm to 57 cm, raised the saddle and shoved it 
> back, and flipped the stem "up". Far more comfortable, far easier to pedal 
> -- on the inaugural ride it felt like a 90" gear with a 135 mm crank on 
> flat tires with brakes dragging.
>
> It's now fun to ride, though only if you keep "just ride" in mind; it's 
> not a bike to try to go fast on.
>
> Off for bosque ride.
>
> -- 
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] Re: Albatross and Choco riders

[Joel S]

Thanks Pete, just got the Choco bars from Blue Lug as Riv is our with no 
known delivery time.  I paid a $27 premium for 2 shipped so not bad.  
On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 12:02:21 PM UTC-5 Pete P wrote:

> I first tried upright h’bars on my older Atala bike. Just to see if it
>
> would work for me. I bought Albatross bars and it was a revelation!
>
> So on my Atlantis I ditched my noodle drop bars and chose the Choco
>
> bars - just for variety.  I  like both of these. (I won’t go back to those
>
> now uncomfortable drop bars). 
>
> They both have their plusses and minuses. The Albatross are wider and
>
> Go through the doorway with more caution. The Choco bar doesn’t rise
>
> up as much but the position on the curves is a favorite of mine. You can’t 
> go wrong with either one!
>
>
> Pete
>
> On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 6:33:05 AM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Thanks Roberta.  
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 4:11 AM Roberta  wrote:
>>
>>> My understanding is that the *bars* are the same shape and size; they 
>>> differ in the stem attachment. I have  the c-m ones because that's what 
>>> came with the bike. The norm version is more versatile. 
>>>
>>> There is a lot of choco-love here   Good luck with your search. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 10:09:55 PM UTC-5, Joel S wrote:

 Thanks Roberta.  It is the Choco Norm I am thinking about. 

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Re: [RBW] My new 26" wheeled drop bar Atlantis

[Patrick Moore]

Nice Atlantis, and thanks for sharing the tip about the brake lever
modification I'll keep that in mind if I swap out my cantis for Vs.

On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 10:02 AM dave_manze...@yahoo.com <
david.h.manze...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I am just about done putting this together and am really excited. I
> purchased a 50cm frame from the garage sale section this summer. It is a
> little smaller than what they would recommend for my 84 PBH, but given the
> long top tube and my plan to use drop bars I felt pretty confident it would
> work. I was attracted to the 26" wheeled Atlantis as such long running
> model and I was interested in running the excellent 2.3" rat trap pass
> tires. The other new thing I did was modify my TRP RRL levers to be used
> with V-brakes. The strange shape of the lever allows an additional set of
> holes to be drilled doubling the lever arm - it works great. I am still
> experimenting with the stem lengths, but wanted to share my project.
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[RBW] Monocog!!!

[Patrick Moore]

I want to compare the ineffable beauty of my new Monocog with that of
Leah's Platypus. Mine wins by a mile. I'm really serious.

I traded this for the 2003 26" wheel Curt Riv Road custom, so it's on topic.

Seriousness aside, I just had the original rear tire replaced -- I swear, 5
lb; the casing felt and looked like a car tire! -- so that both f and r are
WTB Rangers set up tubeless. The bike lost 2 lb from the tubes and that
massively heavy tire, this with the sealant in the new setup.

I also cut the bar from 76 cm to 57 cm, raised the saddle and shoved it
back, and flipped the stem "up". Far more comfortable, far easier to pedal
-- on the inaugural ride it felt like a 90" gear with a 135 mm crank on
flat tires with brakes dragging.

It's now fun to ride, though only if you keep "just ride" in mind; it's not
a bike to try to go fast on.

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[RBW] Re: 1987 Mongoose All Rounder

[Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA]

Moved this over to the the iBob group, given the non-Riv content .

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 3:23:43 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> Grant Does not allow chrome on his bikes, not even just the dropout faces 
> - I tried.
>
> Laing
>
> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 3:20:06 PM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, 
> Stewartstown PA wrote:
>
>> Mongoose doesn't get a lot of play in this group, but a recent find has 
>> me thinking it may have been a forerunner of Bridgestone/Rivendell in some 
>> ways, and deserves some respect. This "All Terrain Bike" (as in ATB - 
>> *not* an MTB) has many of the qualities that we all love in an all 
>> rounder: light chro-mo frame, vertical forged dropouts, room for big tires, 
>> plenty of brazeons, solid mix of components. It was a step down from the 
>> "Pro" model - same frame but using all XT components. For a 32 year old, it 
>> still feels youthful. 
>>
>> Purchased from the original owner, it has been well cared for and will 
>> shine up nicely. Although it's nearly 100% OEM, I'll be swapping out a few 
>> things shortly, bars. pedals, chainrings, tires and saddle to begin with, 
>> but it fits well and I look forward to giving it some play time. The head 
>> badge features the letter M on it (in addition to Quality - Performance - 
>> BMX Products Inc.) Must have been made for me. Even as it sits, it's a 
>> proud example of a well thought-out bike from the early days. 
>> [image: PXL_20201113_175439962.jpg]
>> Anyone ever do an all chrome Rivendell custom? 
>>
>> Marty
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: 1987 Mongoose All Rounder

[lconley]

Grant Does not allow chrome on his bikes, not even just the dropout faces - 
I tried.

Laing

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 3:20:06 PM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown 
PA wrote:

> Mongoose doesn't get a lot of play in this group, but a recent find has me 
> thinking it may have been a forerunner of Bridgestone/Rivendell in some 
> ways, and deserves some respect. This "All Terrain Bike" (as in ATB - 
> *not* an MTB) has many of the qualities that we all love in an all 
> rounder: light chro-mo frame, vertical forged dropouts, room for big tires, 
> plenty of brazeons, solid mix of components. It was a step down from the 
> "Pro" model - same frame but using all XT components. For a 32 year old, it 
> still feels youthful. 
>
> Purchased from the original owner, it has been well cared for and will 
> shine up nicely. Although it's nearly 100% OEM, I'll be swapping out a few 
> things shortly, bars. pedals, chainrings, tires and saddle to begin with, 
> but it fits well and I look forward to giving it some play time. The head 
> badge features the letter M on it (in addition to Quality - Performance - 
> BMX Products Inc.) Must have been made for me. Even as it sits, it's a 
> proud example of a well thought-out bike from the early days. 
> [image: PXL_20201113_175439962.jpg]
> Anyone ever do an all chrome Rivendell custom? 
>
> Marty
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: New Nitto Threadless Bullmoose and Nitto quill adapter

[Paul M]

Nitto parts are sold. Thanks!

On Friday, 13 November 2020 at 11:22:14 UTC-8 diekaiser wrote:

> Paul, PM’ed you :)
> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 5:14:40 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:
>
>> Purchased these to convert a Burley drop bar tandem to a flat bar set-up. 
>> Sold the tandem and now these are for sale. The bullmoose bars are tig 
>> welded and the Rivendell inspired version not the Fairweather. The quill 
>> adapter is the same as the one on Rivendell's site. 
>> Bullmoose width 61cm c-c and 150mm reach  $125/shipped
>> Nitto quill adapter  $40/shipped
>> $150/shipped for both
>> The Rivendell site sells a fillet-brazed bullmoose for $180 and the 
>> adapter for $75
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: My new 26" wheeled drop bar Atlantis

[David Person]

I believe you are correct, Igor.  

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 12:13:33 PM UTC-8 belopol...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Those are not Rene Herse cranks. They look like these but different.. 
> http://www.diacompe.com.tw/product/ene-ciclo-chain-wheel-double/
>
> Dave, what are they?
>
> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 12:09:15 PM UTC-5 David Person wrote:
>
>> I like the gold bling on the Rene Herse cranks.
>>
>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 9:02:28 AM UTC-8 dave_m...@yahoo.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am just about done putting this together and am really excited. I 
>>> purchased a 50cm frame from the garage sale section this summer. It is a 
>>> little smaller than what they would recommend for my 84 PBH, but given the 
>>> long top tube and my plan to use drop bars I felt pretty confident it would 
>>> work. I was attracted to the 26" wheeled Atlantis as such long running 
>>> model and I was interested in running the excellent 2.3" rat trap pass 
>>> tires. The other new thing I did was modify my TRP RRL levers to be used 
>>> with V-brakes. The strange shape of the lever allows an additional set of 
>>> holes to be drilled doubling the lever arm - it works great. I am still 
>>> experimenting with the stem lengths, but wanted to share my project.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: My new 26" wheeled drop bar Atlantis

[i]

Probably these w some gold touches
https://www.velovitality.co.uk/products/andel-3-pin-classic-double-chainset

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 3:13:33 PM UTC-5 i wrote:

> Those are not Rene Herse cranks. They look like these but different.. 
> http://www.diacompe.com.tw/product/ene-ciclo-chain-wheel-double/
>
> Dave, what are they?
>
> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 12:09:15 PM UTC-5 David Person wrote:
>
>> I like the gold bling on the Rene Herse cranks.
>>
>> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 9:02:28 AM UTC-8 dave_m...@yahoo.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am just about done putting this together and am really excited. I 
>>> purchased a 50cm frame from the garage sale section this summer. It is a 
>>> little smaller than what they would recommend for my 84 PBH, but given the 
>>> long top tube and my plan to use drop bars I felt pretty confident it would 
>>> work. I was attracted to the 26" wheeled Atlantis as such long running 
>>> model and I was interested in running the excellent 2.3" rat trap pass 
>>> tires. The other new thing I did was modify my TRP RRL levers to be used 
>>> with V-brakes. The strange shape of the lever allows an additional set of 
>>> holes to be drilled doubling the lever arm - it works great. I am still 
>>> experimenting with the stem lengths, but wanted to share my project.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: My new 26" wheeled drop bar Atlantis

[i]

Those are not Rene Herse cranks. They look like these but 
different.. http://www.diacompe.com.tw/product/ene-ciclo-chain-wheel-double/

Dave, what are they?

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 12:09:15 PM UTC-5 David Person wrote:

> I like the gold bling on the Rene Herse cranks.
>
> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 9:02:28 AM UTC-8 dave_m...@yahoo.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I am just about done putting this together and am really excited. I 
>> purchased a 50cm frame from the garage sale section this summer. It is a 
>> little smaller than what they would recommend for my 84 PBH, but given the 
>> long top tube and my plan to use drop bars I felt pretty confident it would 
>> work. I was attracted to the 26" wheeled Atlantis as such long running 
>> model and I was interested in running the excellent 2.3" rat trap pass 
>> tires. The other new thing I did was modify my TRP RRL levers to be used 
>> with V-brakes. The strange shape of the lever allows an additional set of 
>> holes to be drilled doubling the lever arm - it works great. I am still 
>> experimenting with the stem lengths, but wanted to share my project.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: 1996 Riv All Rounder update

[John in PDX]

Shifting - have an 8-speed shimano bar end, and thats the intended end 
result, to have 8-speed index in the rear.  The vintage Deore XT hubs have 
a 7 speed cassette, and don't think it can accept 8 speeds - maybe using a 
cut down 10 speed cassette.   I've tried it in index mode and it seems to 
work on the 7 speed, except needing to use two clicks on one of the lower 
cogs.  What I've read is Sram is compatible with Shimano index wise.

On Riv mountain frames, wonder how many were made and how different they 
might be from the All Rounder.  Sloping top tube makes sense, maybe 
slightly more relaxed front geometry?

On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 9:06:07 PM UTC-8 R. Alexis wrote:

> John,
>
> Nice looking bike. I have a Rivendell Mountain in single color silver from 
> that era I got from Rivendell. It has a sloping top tube. When I ordered it 
> I wanted the option of possibly using dirt drop bars on it. There have been 
> times I wish I would have gotten the cream contrasting painted headtube. 
>
> Are you friction shifting the SRAM Rival rear der or are the shifters SRAM 
> compatible? 
>
> Thanks,
>
> Reginald Alexis
>
> On Sunday, November 8, 2020 at 12:42:41 PM UTC-6 John in PDX wrote:
>
>> The All Rounder came to me from the original owner who had lots of 
>> documentation, ordered in 1995, delivered in January 1996.  Will continue 
>> to evolve components, working towards Shimano 8-speed index, enjoying the 
>> Gevenalle shifter pods.
>>
>> Hope this link works.
>>
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/v9nhn5sdHzvmHPM58
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: New Nitto Threadless Bullmoose and Nitto quill adapter

[diekaiser]

Paul, PM’ed you :)
On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 5:14:40 PM UTC-8 Paul M wrote:

> Purchased these to convert a Burley drop bar tandem to a flat bar set-up. 
> Sold the tandem and now these are for sale. The bullmoose bars are tig 
> welded and the Rivendell inspired version not the Fairweather. The quill 
> adapter is the same as the one on Rivendell's site. 
> Bullmoose width 61cm c-c and 150mm reach  $125/shipped
> Nitto quill adapter  $40/shipped
> $150/shipped for both
> The Rivendell site sells a fillet-brazed bullmoose for $180 and the 
> adapter for $75
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My new 26" wheeled drop bar Atlantis

[Ray]

That's a clever trick with the TRP levers. I have a set waiting in the 
wings for a future build that I had resigned to using cantilevers with but 
I'll keep that in mind when the day comes. I don't know that I would trust 
myself to risk damaging such a nice pair of levers, but I'll certainly 
consider it lol. Glad to hear it's working well for you.

Lovely bike by the way. I'm a big fan of the 26'' Atlantis as well.

Ray
Madison, WI

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 11:09:15 AM UTC-6 David Person wrote:

> I like the gold bling on the Rene Herse cranks.
>
> On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 9:02:28 AM UTC-8 dave_m...@yahoo.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I am just about done putting this together and am really excited. I 
>> purchased a 50cm frame from the garage sale section this summer. It is a 
>> little smaller than what they would recommend for my 84 PBH, but given the 
>> long top tube and my plan to use drop bars I felt pretty confident it would 
>> work. I was attracted to the 26" wheeled Atlantis as such long running 
>> model and I was interested in running the excellent 2.3" rat trap pass 
>> tires. The other new thing I did was modify my TRP RRL levers to be used 
>> with V-brakes. The strange shape of the lever allows an additional set of 
>> holes to be drilled doubling the lever arm - it works great. I am still 
>> experimenting with the stem lengths, but wanted to share my project.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Albatross and Choco riders

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Pete, just got the Choco bars from Blue Lug as Riv is our with no
known de,I very time.  I paid a $27 premium for 2 shipped so not bad.
On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 12:02 PM Pete P  wrote:

> I first tried upright h’bars on my older Atala bike. Just to see if it
>
> would work for me. I bought Albatross bars and it was a revelation!
>
> So on my Atlantis I ditched my noodle drop bars and chose the Choco
>
> bars - just for variety.  I  like both of these. (I won’t go back to those
>
> now uncomfortable drop bars).
>
> They both have their plusses and minuses. The Albatross are wider and
>
> Go through the doorway with more caution. The Choco bar doesn’t rise
>
> up as much but the position on the curves is a favorite of mine. You can’t
> go wrong with either one!
>
>
> Pete
>
> On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 6:33:05 AM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:
>
>> Thanks Roberta.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 4:11 AM Roberta  wrote:
>>
>>> My understanding is that the *bars* are the same shape and size; they
>>> differ in the stem attachment. I have  the c-m ones because that's what
>>> came with the bike. The norm version is more versatile.
>>>
>>> There is a lot of choco-love here   Good luck with your search.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 10:09:55 PM UTC-5, Joel S wrote:

 Thanks Roberta.  It is the Choco Norm I am thinking about.

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[RBW] Re: My new 26" wheeled drop bar Atlantis

[David Person]

I like the gold bling on the Rene Herse cranks.

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 9:02:28 AM UTC-8 dave_manze...@yahoo.com 
wrote:

> I am just about done putting this together and am really excited. I 
> purchased a 50cm frame from the garage sale section this summer. It is a 
> little smaller than what they would recommend for my 84 PBH, but given the 
> long top tube and my plan to use drop bars I felt pretty confident it would 
> work. I was attracted to the 26" wheeled Atlantis as such long running 
> model and I was interested in running the excellent 2.3" rat trap pass 
> tires. The other new thing I did was modify my TRP RRL levers to be used 
> with V-brakes. The strange shape of the lever allows an additional set of 
> holes to be drilled doubling the lever arm - it works great. I am still 
> experimenting with the stem lengths, but wanted to share my project.

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: 56cm Sam Hillborne 2009

[Alberto Robador]

The Sam has been sold

On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 2:49:19 PM UTC-8 Alberto Robador wrote:

> Wow! 40lbs!!! With the Sam, I regularly load my front basket with with 
> approx. 10-15 lbs for my commute, no problem, above that I find myself 
> struggling with the steering...The Atlantis feels different though, I can 
> put a bigger load and still have a stable ride. I've never tried lowriders 
> though...
>
> On Monday, November 2, 2020 at 10:36:48 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I owned one like yours, first edition, 56 cm, and in fact it was Riv's 
>> floor model with their build; very nice, tho' for various reasons it didn't 
>> after all fit my needs and preferences. I had lowrider bosses attached to 
>> the fork legs.
>>
>> How much weight can you carry in that basket before handling turns wonky? 
>> I recall just for a look-see putting 40 lb or so (gallon milk jugs filled 
>> with water) into front lowriders and I could hardly steer! The bike just 
>> insisted on going straight; I guess due to the highish flop factor, or 
>> whatever the technical term is. Of course, no one expects to carry 40 lb in 
>> front in the real world, but I wonder what the limit is.
>>
>> The IRD high-profile cantis that the Riv crew had installed remain my 
>> Platonic archetype of braking goodness and beauty; wish I'd kept them.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 1, 2020 at 11:11 PM Alberto Robador  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> People are asking for the different options and prices:
>>>
>>> *Option 1*
>>> Frame, fork, headset, and bottom bracket $750
>>> *Option 2*
>>> Complete $1400, build featuring:
>>> Wheels: Velocity A23 (tubeless ready) with Shimano 105 rear hub and SP 
>>> dynamo front hub.
>>> Drivetrain: Sugino XD, rear microshift derailleur, front IRD derailleur, 
>>> 9sp cassette (custom randonneur model designed by Sheldon Brown and sold by 
>>> Harris Cyclery), Shimano 9sp bar-end shifters)
>>> Handlebar/stem: Nitto 46cm Noodle bar with Nitto technomic deluxe 5cm 
>>> stem
>>> Seatpost: Nitto Chrystal Fellow (what else!)
>>> Brakes: Paul Component Neo Retro with Shimano levers
>>> *Option 3*
>>> Frameset and wheelset $1200
>>>
>>> * Saddle, pedals, and water bottle/cage are not for sale. 
>>> *Extras*
>>> Front light: Busch & Müller Lumotec IQ-X $100
>>> Rear Ocean Air Cycles Nitto rack $100
>>> Nitto Mini Front rack F-32 $100
>>> I have a few Riv bags, just ask!
>>>
>>> ***I should mention that it has a couple of dings, one on the top tube 
>>> and one on the seat tube where the front derailleur clamps. I’ve included a 
>>> couple of pictures. Rivendell told me that they’re of no concern, but 
>>> they’re there, and it is what it is...the paint is in pretty good condition 
>>> apart from some chips here and there.
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3690.JPG]
>>> [image: IMG_3691.JPG]
>>>
>>> On Saturday, October 31, 2020 at 10:46:55 AM UTC-7 Alberto Robador wrote:
>>>
 Hey there, I’ve got a 2009 56cm Sam Hillborne that I’m looking to sell 
 as a frameset, rolling chassis, or complete. Color is the old metallic 
 green, some people find it terrible and some others seem to really like 
 it. 
 I personally think is great.

 Below you can find the geometry, it’s slightly different that the newer 
 55cm ones

 email me if interested: arobadora at gmail dot com

 [image: Hillborne.jpg]
 [image: Hillborne Geo.png]

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Re: [RBW] Re: Albatross and Choco riders

[Pete P]

I first tried upright h’bars on my older Atala bike. Just to see if it

would work for me. I bought Albatross bars and it was a revelation!

So on my Atlantis I ditched my noodle drop bars and chose the Choco

bars - just for variety.  I  like both of these. (I won’t go back to those

now uncomfortable drop bars). 

They both have their plusses and minuses. The Albatross are wider and

Go through the doorway with more caution. The Choco bar doesn’t rise

up as much but the position on the curves is a favorite of mine. You can’t 
go wrong with either one!


Pete

On Friday, November 6, 2020 at 6:33:05 AM UTC-6 Joel S wrote:

> Thanks Roberta.  
>
> On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 4:11 AM Roberta  wrote:
>
>> My understanding is that the *bars* are the same shape and size; they 
>> differ in the stem attachment. I have  the c-m ones because that's what 
>> came with the bike. The norm version is more versatile. 
>>
>> There is a lot of choco-love here   Good luck with your search. 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, November 5, 2020 at 10:09:55 PM UTC-5, Joel S wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Roberta.  It is the Choco Norm I am thinking about. 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Want to Buy or Trade for Brown Riv back o bike bags (set) and Steiner headset tool

[m.sah...@gmail.com]

Mark, I'm not sure if you already ordered one or not, but Riv has two 
headset tools in stock right now... I ordered one yesterday, excited to get 
it and use it!

On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 10:04:11 PM UTC-5 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> Nope, I saw that they only had five to begin with. Still a much better 
> ratio than the sad 58cm to 68cm frame availability. 
> -Kai
>
> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 10:57:30 PM UTC-4 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> You're seeing 5 of the longer head set tool still in stock? All my 
>> computers (so not a browser refresh issue) show both sizes out of stock 
>> since not long after the newsletter hit. 
>>
>> On Saturday, October 24, 2020 at 10:29:08 PM UTC-4, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn 
>> NY wrote:
>>>
>>> And only five of the longer for the taller...
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 23, 2020 at 3:16:17 PM UTC-4 weste...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Mark, 

 I managed to snag one on the second round of these -- it is a truly 
 lovely tool that works extremely well. I had a home made headset press 
 made 
 with large washers, nuts, and all thread, which was functional but 
 finicky. 
 It is now at my local co-op -- I donated it. I've used the Stein on two 
 headsets so far...Wow!   It is worth the wait. Sooner or later supply 
 will catch up with demand, or you'll just happen to be on the Riv site 
 when 
 they get restocked or juat after (which is what happened to me). 

 Julian Westerhout
 Bloomington, IL 


 On Thursday, October 22, 2020 at 7:46:07 PM UTC-5, Mark Roland wrote:
>
> Holy Cow. I missed out on the Head set tool again. Sold out. I even 
> signed up for the email alert, never got one, just the mass newsletter 
> announcing they were back in stock, but did not see it until after work 
> and...gone.
>
> On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 2:19:09 PM UTC-4, Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I have twiced missed out on the head set tool Rivendell is selling. 
>> If you have one and maybe having second thoughts, I would love to buy 
>> it. I 
>> have a few builds coming up where I will need it. Despite being on the 
>> notification email, the instagram feed, and the newsletter, I have 
>> missed 
>> it twice. I think they've sold out both times within a couple of hours.
>>
>> I know, these are out there, but I've seen it work before! Please 
>> reply off list. Thanks!
>>
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Re: [RBW] Bike of the Month: Sam Hillborne

[Casey McMann]

Wow! That gold has to be one of the best colors they’ve ever done.

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[RBW] Re: Bike of the Month: Sam Hillborne

[David Person]

Mike, that sparkle gold is real nice looking.

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 5:12:31 AM UTC-8 Paul in Dallas wrote:

> Speaking of Sam Hillbourne's
> how does one determine the manufacture date?
>
> I'm guessing through the serial number.
>
> I think my pumpkin orange with side pull brakes is a 2018 model but how do 
> I verify that?
>
> Paul in Dallas 
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[RBW] Cold Weather Gloves PSA

[Ben Mihovk]

Hey everyone!
I've brought these up in another thread, but thought I'd share again for 
the good of the group.

Raber Gloves are made in Winnipeg...and the only reason I can find them as 
far south as Nebraska is that my favorite LBS gets in an order every 
winter. I have links to the gloves below where you can buy them from my 
favorite local place, but if you see these gloves for sale in person or on 
another site and you need good gloves, buy them.

Garbage Mitts
http://www.ponderosacyclery.com/store/garbagechopper-mitt
These are insulated leather gloves with cuff that is stretchy, snug, and 
comfy. I wore them on my ride today (18 degrees) and did not even need wool 
liner gloves. I think I could go below zero with these gloves + wool 
liners. They're not 100% windproof, but I'd say maybe 85-90% windproof. 
They're called Garbage Mitts because trash collectors in the Great White 
North use them.

Piggyback Gloves
http://www.ponderosacyclery.com/store/raber-gloves
I love these gloves for cool weather. Low 50s down to mid 30s maybe. With a 
wool liner, lower (but you can't beat the Garbage Mitts for low 30s and 
down). Just little easier for shifting and braking than the mitts. 

I'd happily answer any questions you have about them. Just thought I'd 
share my favorite accessories with the group. I could easily see Rivendell 
selling these (if it ever got cold enough in the Bay Area). 

Have a great weekend!

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[RBW] Bike of the Month: Sam Hillborne

[True Golden]

Speaking of Sam Hillbourne's
how does one determine the manufacture date?

I'm guessing through the serial number.

I think my pumpkin orange with side pull brakes is a 2018 model but how do I 
verify that?

Paul in Dallas

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[RBW] Re: FS: 59 Clem H Frame, Fork, Headset and BB

[Tim Bantham]

Clem frameset has now been sold. Thanks all!

On Friday, November 13, 2020 at 6:00:20 AM UTC-5 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown 
PA wrote:

> RM Sent
>
> On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 6:16:13 PM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> Hey All, Reupping this original post. The 59 Clem H frameset is still 
>> available for sale. The cost is $500 plus actual shipping cost via Bike 
>> Flights shipped anywhere in the lower 48 states.  One year old frameset in 
>> excellent condition. PM if interested. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 9:07:13 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> My PBH is 95 and the 59 Clem fit well. There is quite a bit of interest 
>>> in the frame. I am currently working through some DMs.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 4:54:55 PM UTC-5 Ray wrote:
>>>
 Hi Tim,

 Do you mind if I ask you what your height/PBH is and how you found the 
 bike to fit?

 Thanks!
 Ray

 On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 2:26:02 PM UTC-6 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Hey Riv Bunch, 
>
> I've got an election day special for you! 
>
> I'm selling my one year old Clem Smith Jr H frameset . Its a size 59 
> in Grilver. No scratches, no dings, no dents. Like new condition. 
> Purchased 
> the frame in November of 2019 barely ridden this season. 
>
> $500 plus actual shipping costs via Bike Flights to lower 48. Let me 
> know if you are interested. 
>
> Clem for President!!!
>
>   Link to Photos 
>


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[RBW] Re: FS: 59 Clem H Frame, Fork, Headset and BB

[Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA]

RM Sent

On Thursday, November 12, 2020 at 6:16:13 PM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:

> Hey All, Reupping this original post. The 59 Clem H frameset is still 
> available for sale. The cost is $500 plus actual shipping cost via Bike 
> Flights shipped anywhere in the lower 48 states.  One year old frameset in 
> excellent condition. PM if interested. 
>
> On Wednesday, November 4, 2020 at 9:07:13 AM UTC-5 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> My PBH is 95 and the 59 Clem fit well. There is quite a bit of interest 
>> in the frame. I am currently working through some DMs.
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 4:54:55 PM UTC-5 Ray wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Tim,
>>>
>>> Do you mind if I ask you what your height/PBH is and how you found the 
>>> bike to fit?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Ray
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 3, 2020 at 2:26:02 PM UTC-6 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>>
 Hey Riv Bunch, 

 I've got an election day special for you! 

 I'm selling my one year old Clem Smith Jr H frameset . Its a size 59 in 
 Grilver. No scratches, no dings, no dents. Like new condition. Purchased 
 the frame in November of 2019 barely ridden this season. 

 $500 plus actual shipping costs via Bike Flights to lower 48. Let me 
 know if you are interested. 

 Clem for President!!!

   Link to Photos 

>>>

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