[RBW] Re: Wow! What's going on with Rivendell caps going for $$$

[Joe Bernard]

Sold, $81. The great Mustard Rivendell Cap performance art project is at an 
end. 



On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 12:22:58 PM UTC-8 Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, 
CA wrote:

> So I was browsing eBay and happened upon this auction 
> . The auction is for a *used* Rivendell cycling 
> cap, and started yesterday (Nov 13th). The bids quickly added up and 
> currently, a full 6 days before the auction ends, we're already at $51 plus 
> $3.95 for shipping.
>
> Looking at the cap in question, I don't see anything special about it. 
> It's cotton, its proceeds will not benefit any charity, and it's *used 
> *(albeit 
> in almost-new condition). Why are people willing to bid this cap up so 
> high? And more importantly, am *I* now slightly wealthier because I have 
> a stack of similar used Rivendell caps in different colors, including this 
> mustard-yellow version? :)
>

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Re: [RBW] WTB: Trangia cookset

[Sam Perez]

I have just the set if you are interested

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 6:23 PM jamin orrall  wrote:

> Hello, riv used to sell these so I thought maybe someone might have one
> kicking around, looking for a used trangia cookset.  the 27 size, with or
> without the kettle.  I would prefer to stay away from the non-stick coated
> model.
>
> Thanks!
> Jamin in LA
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[RBW] Re: New list member intro

[Michael Morrissey]

Post pics of the lugged Vanilla mountain bike! 

On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 9:10:00 PM UTC-5 har...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> Hi folks,
> I'm a longtime lurker who finally signed up.  I was a BOB back in the day 
> and on the ibob list since about 2000, and while I still read ibob daily, 
> they often discuss things I don't pay attention to or care about these 
> days.  Nothing negative about that, just not as much for me to browse in my 
> zone of interests.  Rivendells, however, are always of interest to me, so 
> here I am.
>
> I bought my All-rounder in 1996 and it has been used as my touring bike, 
> gravel "race" bike, commuter, camping bike (which is somehow different from 
> touring bike, maybe), cyclocross "race" bike, and even as my mountain bike 
> with mustache bars when I was replacing a broken one (until I snapped the 
> bars).  It has seen a lot of use and clearly shows its wear, with worn 
> paint, chips, dents, and even some rust quite evident (damn chain suck).  
> It could use some attention, for sure. I recently replaced my Paselas with 
> these Schwalbes, and they are the best riding tires I have had on it by 
> far, including the Compass 1.75s and the RTPs, which had a negative effect 
> on handling and didn't fit with fenders.  New fenders await installation. 
> The bag is old and worn, and I am stoked to be awaiting one of the Route 
> Werks bags that will go well on this.
>
> Three years ago, almost to the day, I crashed hard on it and broke a few 
> bones after hitting some black ice on a descent.  The bars are currently 
> bent and tape is gouged, but it rolls on, as always.
>
> My other connection to Riv and Grant goes back to '95 when I put my RB-1 
> and my mountain bike (Rocky Mtn Blizzard) on top my old Subie and drove 
> around the country.  I ended up on Grant's doorstep, and he invited me in.  
> Together we unboxed two prototype Riv Roads from Waterford and built them 
> up.  We went for a ride, the first time I had ever ridden a road bike 
> offroad.  I'll never forget the looks on the faces of the mountain bikers 
> we came across and definitely will not forget how much fun I had. It 
> changed my riding forever! Grant later wrote about our adventure in the Riv 
> Reader.
>
> That's about it.  Well, my other bikes are an RB-T I use daily for 
> commutes and long rides, the same RB-1 I bought new in '93, and a lugged 
> Vanilla mtb, plus a custom tandem and a couple project bikes that sit 
> unfinished. 
>
> I am glad to be on this list.  The sense of camaraderie is evident, as 
> witnessed by the excitement over the new Platypus and other new bikes, and 
> the appreciation of all things Riv is clear.  There are many familiar names 
> on this list, an obvious crossover from ibob, and many new ones, too.  I'm 
> not too talkative, so I will mostly stay in the background, but I do like 
> to ask questions because I have way more of those than I have answers.
>
> [image: Riv.jpg]
> Cheers,
>
> Harth Huffman
> Portland, Oregon
>

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[RBW] WTB: Trangia cookset

[jamin orrall]

Hello, riv used to sell these so I thought maybe someone might have one 
kicking around, looking for a used trangia cookset.  the 27 size, with or 
without the kettle.  I would prefer to stay away from the non-stick coated 
model.

Thanks!
Jamin in LA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wow! What's going on with Rivendell caps going for $$$

[Mark Roland]

They may have zero interest, but if they bid and nobody bids higher, they 
are obliged to buy it. If they don't, they could lose their access to eBay 
auctions.
In terms of auction outings, that's a tough one. Obviously you are not 
going to advertise an auction of an item you are interested in bidding on. 
Then, if you are not interested, and post a link, now another list member 
who was hoping to snag it may have to contend with more bidders. In this 
case I think it was more of a novelty, can-you-believe check this out kinda 
thing. Curious how you were able to eavesdrop on these two people who bid 
with no intention of wanting the item.

On Saturday, November 21, 2020 at 2:10:19 PM UTC-5 Justin wrote:

> I've seen two people in sperate conversations online mention bidding on 
> that hat with zero interest in winning the auction. They just wanted to see 
> how high it would go. So whoever won in the end are paying extra due to 
> broadened internet awareness and a couple jerks. I see this quite a bit in 
> another realm of my interests that also finds its home on ebay, I've 
> learned not to blow up a spot if it's something that I'm interested in. 
> 
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>
>
> On Saturday, November 21, 2020 at 1:51:42 PM UTC-5 Nathan F wrote:
>
>> I take this auction and similar, like a used mug that went for $55 a 
>> month or so ago, as proof Riv needs to revive some of their accessory 
>> lines. People want the stuff (myself included) and I know the margin is 
>> there to make the endeavor worthwhile. 
>>
>> On Saturday, 21 November 2020 at 09:13:41 UTC-8 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> $81, Wow is right.  
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 11:52 AM George Cline  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I've got the same hat which I bought from a Performance Bike Shop many 
 years ago! Geez, I've got to find it and offer it up for sale! (It's got 
 lots of beausage, too!).

 George in NoCal

 On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 3:27:44 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:

> `I like the color and the logos, too--though I don't think the mustard 
> would be particularly flattering on me (It would, however, match a few 
> stains on some shirts I have). I think the shape is a bit non-traditional 
> for a cotton cycling cap.  BTW, crept up $2 to $71 with a little over a 
> day 
> left--late Saturday Night hammer.
>
> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 9:09:56 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I think that mustard cap is a *great* color.
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 6:53:43 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> The current bid on that cap is proof positive that we've all been in 
>>> the house too long 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 3:36:02 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Well there's your answer--Ugly Rivendell Caps are the new Ugly 
 Christmas Sweaters. Get 'em while the gettin's good.

 On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 11:07:05 AM UTC-5 John A. 
 Bennett wrote:

> I remember that one. It came in as a surprise. 
> Grant said it was the ugliest cap he'd ever seen. 
> We didn't sell them. A few leaked out, I guess. 
>
> Used Rivendell caps normally don't sell for anywhere near this 
> amount on eBay. 
>
> John jo...@rivbike.com
>
>
> On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 12:22:58 PM UTC-8 Benz Ouyang, 
> Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>
>> So I was browsing eBay and happened upon this auction 
>> . The auction is for a *used* Rivendell 
>> cycling cap, and started yesterday (Nov 13th). The bids quickly 
>> added up 
>> and currently, a full 6 days before the auction ends, we're already 
>> at $51 
>> plus $3.95 for shipping.
>>
>> Looking at the cap in question, I don't see anything special 
>> about it. It's cotton, its proceeds will not benefit any charity, 
>> and it's 
>> *used *(albeit in almost-new condition). Why are people willing 
>> to bid this cap up so high? And more importantly, am *I* now 
>> slightly wealthier because I have a stack of similar used Rivendell 
>> caps in 
>> different colors, including this mustard-yellow version? :)
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wow! What's going on with Rivendell caps going for $$$

[Mark Roland]

?? The company still sells various Riv-branded hats and tees, as well as a 
mug, buttons, stickers, patches, and posters. These items are often out of 
stock, but they definitely still sell schwag.

On Saturday, November 21, 2020 at 1:51:42 PM UTC-5 Nathan F wrote:

> I take this auction and similar, like a used mug that went for $55 a month 
> or so ago, as proof Riv needs to revive some of their accessory lines. 
> People want the stuff (myself included) and I know the margin is there to 
> make the endeavor worthwhile. 
>
> On Saturday, 21 November 2020 at 09:13:41 UTC-8 Joel S wrote:
>
>> $81, Wow is right.  
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 11:52 AM George Cline  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've got the same hat which I bought from a Performance Bike Shop many 
>>> years ago! Geez, I've got to find it and offer it up for sale! (It's got 
>>> lots of beausage, too!).
>>>
>>> George in NoCal
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 3:27:44 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
 `I like the color and the logos, too--though I don't think the mustard 
 would be particularly flattering on me (It would, however, match a few 
 stains on some shirts I have). I think the shape is a bit non-traditional 
 for a cotton cycling cap.  BTW, crept up $2 to $71 with a little over a 
 day 
 left--late Saturday Night hammer.

 On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 9:09:56 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I think that mustard cap is a *great* color.
>
> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 6:53:43 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> The current bid on that cap is proof positive that we've all been in 
>> the house too long 
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 3:36:02 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>> Well there's your answer--Ugly Rivendell Caps are the new Ugly 
>>> Christmas Sweaters. Get 'em while the gettin's good.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 11:07:05 AM UTC-5 John A. Bennett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I remember that one. It came in as a surprise. 
 Grant said it was the ugliest cap he'd ever seen. 
 We didn't sell them. A few leaked out, I guess. 

 Used Rivendell caps normally don't sell for anywhere near this 
 amount on eBay. 

 John jo...@rivbike.com


 On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 12:22:58 PM UTC-8 Benz Ouyang, 
 Sunnyvale, CA wrote:

> So I was browsing eBay and happened upon this auction 
> . The auction is for a *used* Rivendell 
> cycling cap, and started yesterday (Nov 13th). The bids quickly added 
> up 
> and currently, a full 6 days before the auction ends, we're already 
> at $51 
> plus $3.95 for shipping.
>
> Looking at the cap in question, I don't see anything special about 
> it. It's cotton, its proceeds will not benefit any charity, and it's 
> *used *(albeit in almost-new condition). Why are people willing 
> to bid this cap up so high? And more importantly, am *I* now 
> slightly wealthier because I have a stack of similar used Rivendell 
> caps in 
> different colors, including this mustard-yellow version? :)
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wow! What's going on with Rivendell caps going for $$$

[Justin]

I've seen two people in sperate conversations online mention bidding on 
that hat with zero interest in winning the auction. They just wanted to see 
how high it would go. So whoever won in the end are paying extra due to 
broadened internet awareness and a couple jerks. I see this quite a bit in 
another realm of my interests that also finds its home on ebay, I've 
learned not to blow up a spot if it's something that I'm interested in. 
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On Saturday, November 21, 2020 at 1:51:42 PM UTC-5 Nathan F wrote:

> I take this auction and similar, like a used mug that went for $55 a month 
> or so ago, as proof Riv needs to revive some of their accessory lines. 
> People want the stuff (myself included) and I know the margin is there to 
> make the endeavor worthwhile. 
>
> On Saturday, 21 November 2020 at 09:13:41 UTC-8 Joel S wrote:
>
>> $81, Wow is right.  
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 11:52 AM George Cline  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've got the same hat which I bought from a Performance Bike Shop many 
>>> years ago! Geez, I've got to find it and offer it up for sale! (It's got 
>>> lots of beausage, too!).
>>>
>>> George in NoCal
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 3:27:44 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
 `I like the color and the logos, too--though I don't think the mustard 
 would be particularly flattering on me (It would, however, match a few 
 stains on some shirts I have). I think the shape is a bit non-traditional 
 for a cotton cycling cap.  BTW, crept up $2 to $71 with a little over a 
 day 
 left--late Saturday Night hammer.

 On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 9:09:56 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I think that mustard cap is a *great* color.
>
> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 6:53:43 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> The current bid on that cap is proof positive that we've all been in 
>> the house too long 
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 3:36:02 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>> Well there's your answer--Ugly Rivendell Caps are the new Ugly 
>>> Christmas Sweaters. Get 'em while the gettin's good.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 11:07:05 AM UTC-5 John A. Bennett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I remember that one. It came in as a surprise. 
 Grant said it was the ugliest cap he'd ever seen. 
 We didn't sell them. A few leaked out, I guess. 

 Used Rivendell caps normally don't sell for anywhere near this 
 amount on eBay. 

 John jo...@rivbike.com


 On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 12:22:58 PM UTC-8 Benz Ouyang, 
 Sunnyvale, CA wrote:

> So I was browsing eBay and happened upon this auction 
> . The auction is for a *used* Rivendell 
> cycling cap, and started yesterday (Nov 13th). The bids quickly added 
> up 
> and currently, a full 6 days before the auction ends, we're already 
> at $51 
> plus $3.95 for shipping.
>
> Looking at the cap in question, I don't see anything special about 
> it. It's cotton, its proceeds will not benefit any charity, and it's 
> *used *(albeit in almost-new condition). Why are people willing 
> to bid this cap up so high? And more importantly, am *I* now 
> slightly wealthier because I have a stack of similar used Rivendell 
> caps in 
> different colors, including this mustard-yellow version? :)
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wow! What's going on with Rivendell caps going for $$$

[Justin]

Just an fyi, I've seen two people in sperate conversations online mention 
bidding on that hat with zero interest in winning the auction. They just 
wanted to see how high it would go. So whoever won in the end are paying 
extra due to broadened internet awareness and a couple jerks. I see this 
quite a bit in another realm of my interests that also finds its home on 
ebay, I've learned not to blow up a spot if it's something that I'm 
interested in. 

On Saturday, November 21, 2020 at 1:51:42 PM UTC-5 Nathan F wrote:

> I take this auction and similar, like a used mug that went for $55 a month 
> or so ago, as proof Riv needs to revive some of their accessory lines. 
> People want the stuff (myself included) and I know the margin is there to 
> make the endeavor worthwhile. 
>
> On Saturday, 21 November 2020 at 09:13:41 UTC-8 Joel S wrote:
>
>> $81, Wow is right.  
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 11:52 AM George Cline  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I've got the same hat which I bought from a Performance Bike Shop many 
>>> years ago! Geez, I've got to find it and offer it up for sale! (It's got 
>>> lots of beausage, too!).
>>>
>>> George in NoCal
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 3:27:44 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
 `I like the color and the logos, too--though I don't think the mustard 
 would be particularly flattering on me (It would, however, match a few 
 stains on some shirts I have). I think the shape is a bit non-traditional 
 for a cotton cycling cap.  BTW, crept up $2 to $71 with a little over a 
 day 
 left--late Saturday Night hammer.

 On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 9:09:56 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I think that mustard cap is a *great* color.
>
> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 6:53:43 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> The current bid on that cap is proof positive that we've all been in 
>> the house too long 
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 3:36:02 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>> Well there's your answer--Ugly Rivendell Caps are the new Ugly 
>>> Christmas Sweaters. Get 'em while the gettin's good.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 11:07:05 AM UTC-5 John A. Bennett 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I remember that one. It came in as a surprise. 
 Grant said it was the ugliest cap he'd ever seen. 
 We didn't sell them. A few leaked out, I guess. 

 Used Rivendell caps normally don't sell for anywhere near this 
 amount on eBay. 

 John jo...@rivbike.com


 On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 12:22:58 PM UTC-8 Benz Ouyang, 
 Sunnyvale, CA wrote:

> So I was browsing eBay and happened upon this auction 
> . The auction is for a *used* Rivendell 
> cycling cap, and started yesterday (Nov 13th). The bids quickly added 
> up 
> and currently, a full 6 days before the auction ends, we're already 
> at $51 
> plus $3.95 for shipping.
>
> Looking at the cap in question, I don't see anything special about 
> it. It's cotton, its proceeds will not benefit any charity, and it's 
> *used *(albeit in almost-new condition). Why are people willing 
> to bid this cap up so high? And more importantly, am *I* now 
> slightly wealthier because I have a stack of similar used Rivendell 
> caps in 
> different colors, including this mustard-yellow version? :)
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wow! What's going on with Rivendell caps going for $$$

[Nathan F]

I take this auction and similar, like a used mug that went for $55 a month 
or so ago, as proof Riv needs to revive some of their accessory lines. 
People want the stuff (myself included) and I know the margin is there to 
make the endeavor worthwhile. 

On Saturday, 21 November 2020 at 09:13:41 UTC-8 Joel S wrote:

> $81, Wow is right.  
>
> On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 11:52 AM George Cline  
> wrote:
>
>> I've got the same hat which I bought from a Performance Bike Shop many 
>> years ago! Geez, I've got to find it and offer it up for sale! (It's got 
>> lots of beausage, too!).
>>
>> George in NoCal
>>
>> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 3:27:44 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>
>>> `I like the color and the logos, too--though I don't think the mustard 
>>> would be particularly flattering on me (It would, however, match a few 
>>> stains on some shirts I have). I think the shape is a bit non-traditional 
>>> for a cotton cycling cap.  BTW, crept up $2 to $71 with a little over a day 
>>> left--late Saturday Night hammer.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 9:09:56 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I think that mustard cap is a *great* color.

 On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 6:53:43 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> The current bid on that cap is proof positive that we've all been in 
> the house too long 
>
> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 3:36:02 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> Well there's your answer--Ugly Rivendell Caps are the new Ugly 
>> Christmas Sweaters. Get 'em while the gettin's good.
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 11:07:05 AM UTC-5 John A. Bennett 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I remember that one. It came in as a surprise. 
>>> Grant said it was the ugliest cap he'd ever seen. 
>>> We didn't sell them. A few leaked out, I guess. 
>>>
>>> Used Rivendell caps normally don't sell for anywhere near this 
>>> amount on eBay. 
>>>
>>> John jo...@rivbike.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 12:22:58 PM UTC-8 Benz Ouyang, 
>>> Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>>>
 So I was browsing eBay and happened upon this auction 
 . The auction is for a *used* Rivendell 
 cycling cap, and started yesterday (Nov 13th). The bids quickly added 
 up 
 and currently, a full 6 days before the auction ends, we're already at 
 $51 
 plus $3.95 for shipping.

 Looking at the cap in question, I don't see anything special about 
 it. It's cotton, its proceeds will not benefit any charity, and it's 
 *used *(albeit in almost-new condition). Why are people willing to 
 bid this cap up so high? And more importantly, am *I* now slightly 
 wealthier because I have a stack of similar used Rivendell caps in 
 different colors, including this mustard-yellow version? :)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Chambray shirt deal alert

[The Snag]

Yep, large shrinks down to a standard large. Stoked, it's a nice shirt!

On Friday, November 20, 2020 at 7:23:44 PM UTC-8 Ray Evans wrote:

> Folks, the oversized stock medium shrinks down to a perfect medium. Just 
> like the website says. No worries, really nice shirt. This is the way we 
> used to roll in the old days, shrink to fit.
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 6:14 PM Paul Richardson  
> wrote:
>
>> if this is a medium, it's the largest medium of all time.  i measure 22" 
>> pit-to-pit and 31" from the collar to the bottom of the shirt (measured on 
>> the back).  we'll see what a wash and dry does but man i shoulda gone with 
>> the small.  sleeves are 21" pit-to-cuff.  fabric seems real nice.
>>
>> paul
>> takoma park, md.
>> On Friday, November 20, 2020 at 7:55:31 PM UTC-5 The Snag wrote:
>>
>>> I just got my large today and I'm not convinced that it's going to 
>>> shrink down enough for me. If someone had a medium that doesn't fit I might 
>>> be interested. And if you're looking for a large.
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 20, 2020 at 10:14:17 AM UTC-8 diekaiser wrote:
>>>
 So I just got my medium yesterday. It fits like a large so hopefully it 
 shrinks down. I normally wear in between a small and medium so it's always 
 a dice roll for me.
 On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 8:27:19 PM UTC-8 Paul Clifton wrote:

> Thanks Dave and Benz. I found it. Tricky!
> New shirts are on the way.
>
> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 1:58:36 PM UTC-6 Benz Ouyang, 
> Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>
>> Be aware that at least on my browser, the itty bitty ruler icon that 
>> David talked about goes away once you start clicking on the other sizes. 
>> If 
>> that happens, just reload the page and don't touch the size icons. I'm 
>> using Safari (not exactly a rare browser at 13% or so market share) so I 
>> think it's just shoddy configuration on their part.
>>
>> To loop back to my question, I measured a few shirts and they're all 
>> around 20" wide, buttoned, and that's equivalent to about 40" 
>> circumference/chest. I don't think I'm a particularly small fella 
>> (5'10"/160), so that's why I asked for a confirmation from those who 
>> actually have these shirts, especially as they are "Final Sale".
>>
>> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 9:39:20 AM UTC-8 Hetchins52 wrote:
>>
>>> Paul — There’s an itty, bitty graphic image of a ruler that links to 
>>> the sizing chart for each shirt. The chambray “Small” is about ¾” 
>>> larger 
>>> than the other small shirts. Perhaps because it shrinks in laundering 
>>> and 
>>> the others are pre-shrunk fabric?
>>> I ordered a Small Railroad short sleeve. Ships from Texas.
>>>
>>> David Lipsky in Berkeley, CA
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 8:51:23 AM UTC-8 Paul Clifton 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hey Benz,
 Can you link to where you found those measurements? I'm almost 
 always between sizes, but I can find them on their site or on Google.

 Thanks for the tip Dan. These look like great shirts, just in time 
 for new shirt season!

 Paul in AR

 On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 9:43:52 AM UTC-6 Benz Ouyang, 
 Sunnyvale, CA wrote:

> Hey Dan, is the sizing correct? Their small has a chest size of 
> 42.25", which is 21" pit-to-pit and definitely a little large for a 
> small. 
> Is that the "Riv fit" you're talking about?
>
> On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 7:48:26 AM UTC-8 danmc wrote:
>
>> Edgevale has their chambray shirt from last year on close out for 
>> $34. I have been really happy with this shirt. The fabric is not 
>> pre-shrunk 
>> but a good wash and dry gets it to a perfect Riv fit - not fitted 
>> with room 
>> to move. At $89 they were a good deal. At $34 it is a crazy good 
>> deal. 
>>
>> https://edgevaleusa.com/collections/sale/products/elwell-chambray
>>
>> Sewn in the US from Japanese fabric. 
>>
>> Enjoy!
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> San Rafael CA
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[RBW] Re: New list member intro

[Jason Fuller]

Harth, 

Your backstory was a joy to read, thank you for sharing - I'm pretty in awe 
of your long-term connection and feel like a total noob by comparison (been 
aware of Bridgestone/Rivendell for a long time as an avid cyclist since the 
early 90's but only really interested in the past five or so). I also love 
seeing bikes that have been serving their owners for decades, particularly 
when that bike is an A-R!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Wow! What's going on with Rivendell caps going for $$$

[Joel Stern]

$81, Wow is right.

On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 11:52 AM George Cline 
wrote:

> I've got the same hat which I bought from a Performance Bike Shop many
> years ago! Geez, I've got to find it and offer it up for sale! (It's got
> lots of beausage, too!).
>
> George in NoCal
>
> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 3:27:44 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>
>> `I like the color and the logos, too--though I don't think the mustard
>> would be particularly flattering on me (It would, however, match a few
>> stains on some shirts I have). I think the shape is a bit non-traditional
>> for a cotton cycling cap.  BTW, crept up $2 to $71 with a little over a day
>> left--late Saturday Night hammer.
>>
>> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 9:09:56 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think that mustard cap is a *great* color.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 6:53:43 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 The current bid on that cap is proof positive that we've all been in
 the house too long 

 On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 3:36:02 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:

> Well there's your answer--Ugly Rivendell Caps are the new Ugly
> Christmas Sweaters. Get 'em while the gettin's good.
>
> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 11:07:05 AM UTC-5 John A. Bennett
> wrote:
>
>> I remember that one. It came in as a surprise.
>> Grant said it was the ugliest cap he'd ever seen.
>> We didn't sell them. A few leaked out, I guess.
>>
>> Used Rivendell caps normally don't sell for anywhere near this amount
>> on eBay.
>>
>> John jo...@rivbike.com
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 12:22:58 PM UTC-8 Benz Ouyang,
>> Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>>
>>> So I was browsing eBay and happened upon this auction
>>> . The auction is for a *used* Rivendell
>>> cycling cap, and started yesterday (Nov 13th). The bids quickly added up
>>> and currently, a full 6 days before the auction ends, we're already at 
>>> $51
>>> plus $3.95 for shipping.
>>>
>>> Looking at the cap in question, I don't see anything special about
>>> it. It's cotton, its proceeds will not benefit any charity, and it's
>>> *used *(albeit in almost-new condition). Why are people willing to
>>> bid this cap up so high? And more importantly, am *I* now slightly
>>> wealthier because I have a stack of similar used Rivendell caps in
>>> different colors, including this mustard-yellow version? :)
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Wow! What's going on with Rivendell caps going for $$$

[George Cline]

I've got the same hat which I bought from a Performance Bike Shop many 
years ago! Geez, I've got to find it and offer it up for sale! (It's got 
lots of beausage, too!).

George in NoCal

On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 3:27:44 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:

> `I like the color and the logos, too--though I don't think the mustard 
> would be particularly flattering on me (It would, however, match a few 
> stains on some shirts I have). I think the shape is a bit non-traditional 
> for a cotton cycling cap.  BTW, crept up $2 to $71 with a little over a day 
> left--late Saturday Night hammer.
>
> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 9:09:56 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I think that mustard cap is a *great* color.
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 6:53:43 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> The current bid on that cap is proof positive that we've all been in the 
>>> house too long 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 3:36:02 PM UTC-8 Mark Roland wrote:
>>>
 Well there's your answer--Ugly Rivendell Caps are the new Ugly 
 Christmas Sweaters. Get 'em while the gettin's good.

 On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 11:07:05 AM UTC-5 John A. Bennett 
 wrote:

> I remember that one. It came in as a surprise. 
> Grant said it was the ugliest cap he'd ever seen. 
> We didn't sell them. A few leaked out, I guess. 
>
> Used Rivendell caps normally don't sell for anywhere near this amount 
> on eBay. 
>
> John jo...@rivbike.com
>
>
> On Saturday, November 14, 2020 at 12:22:58 PM UTC-8 Benz Ouyang, 
> Sunnyvale, CA wrote:
>
>> So I was browsing eBay and happened upon this auction 
>> . The auction is for a *used* Rivendell 
>> cycling cap, and started yesterday (Nov 13th). The bids quickly added up 
>> and currently, a full 6 days before the auction ends, we're already at 
>> $51 
>> plus $3.95 for shipping.
>>
>> Looking at the cap in question, I don't see anything special about 
>> it. It's cotton, its proceeds will not benefit any charity, and it's 
>> *used *(albeit in almost-new condition). Why are people willing to 
>> bid this cap up so high? And more importantly, am *I* now slightly 
>> wealthier because I have a stack of similar used Rivendell caps in 
>> different colors, including this mustard-yellow version? :)
>>
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[RBW] Re: "Cross-training" for cycling: walking? Also: Inexpensive but large and practical backpack?

[Ray Varella]

And grip strength, having a rope attached to something heavy, like the tire 
and pulling it hand over hand. 
Honestly, I think a heavy tire or two could serve as some of my favorite 
exercise equipment. 
I think about it often. 



Ray

On Saturday, November 21, 2020 at 4:20:10 AM UTC-8 Jesse Stoddard wrote:

> For heavier loads you definitely want the majority of the weight directed 
> into your lower body. External frame packs haven't been surpassed in terms 
> of weight transfer; see if you can find a nice example on the secondhand 
> market. Dana Designs are commonly held as the pinnacle of external pack 
> design, but a Kelty or similar would probably suffice as long as it can be 
> adjusted to fit your frame correctly.
>
>
> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 6:29:07 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> I'm all for having a few more things with me for short trips afoot. but a 
>> bag with straps simply hangs on your shoulders and moves your center of 
>> gravity causing you to adopt an increasingly affected posture as the weight 
>> goes up. Neither your spine or your shoulders are columnar structures. They 
>> are structures that are created with soft tissue elements which injure from 
>> overuse. I will be narrating how repair of a shoulder with such goes 
>> post-op. Scheduled for 12/21 barring a complete shut down in the surge. The 
>> ortho said it wouldn't be delayed too long since any additional breakdown 
>> may result in instability threatening nerve and circulatory status. 
>>
>>  A good pack does everything possible to route the weight of load to your 
>> hips. Your lumbar spine has enough problems over time (avoiding "aging" 
>> here) with simple wear and/or shrinkage of the discs once providing 
>> suspension between the vertebrae. That doesn't even account for injury or 
>> overuse. I don't purposely load my back for good intent or toil because the 
>> outcome of that compression will be impingement of nerves and/or an 
>> increasingly limited range of motion. 
>>
>> We used to sell Dana (Gleason) Design backpacks and hipsacks that were 
>> the pinnacle of this weight transfer and accommodation of back articulation 
>> while carrying the loaded pack. Dana D. sold to K2, died under their watch 
>> and Gleason came out of retirement and started Mystery Ranch Packs. This 
>> idea that you should remove all load from your back was recognized by the 
>> Navy SEALs under the challenges of large loads, terrible terrain and need 
>> to prevent back fatigue/injury and Mystery Ranch began producing backpacks 
>> for them.  
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 1:11:03 AM UTC-5 jack loudon wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick, I have also avoided 'exercise' my whole life, and haven't set 
>>> foot in a gym since my college days more than 45 years ago.  I don't do 
>>> much besides bicycling, walking (often hiking, sometimes jogging), and 
>>> building construction.  My main back problems were before retirement, 
>>> working 9-10 hours per day mostly seated at a desk, even though I often 
>>> commuted to work by bicycle and thought I was in decent shape.  So for me, 
>>> the more sedentary I was, the worse my back felt.  Post retirement, I 
>>> started doing small construction jobs for myself and others, and haven't 
>>> had a single back issue, in spite of (or maybe because of) the moderately 
>>> strenuous work.  If you have the inclination, a construction project, like 
>>> a deck or maybe a garden shed, might help keep your back healthy like it 
>>> does mine.  It's also challenging and satisfying to build your own things.
>>>
>>> As to backpacks, the cheap ones hug your back and don't have much 
>>> padding, so hard boxes and bottles can poke into your back.  Maybe that can 
>>> be tolerated for a short walk home from the store.  The nice packs 
>>> (probably overkill for your use) have a semi-rigid frame that holds the 
>>> pack away from your back, so you don't get poked by hard objects and also 
>>> your back doesn't sweat.  I have a bit of a pack fetish and my favorites 
>>> are the Osprey Stratos series (comes in several sizes), which are neither 
>>> cheap nor lightweight, but are extremely comfortable with heavier loads.  
>>>
>>> Jack - Seattle
>>> On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 2:30:44 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I forgot to mention that bike fit is not the cause of the problem. The 
 stem on the new-to-me Monocog is about 2-3 cm too far forward, but even 
 that bike isn't too bad.

 On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 3:18 PM Patrick Moore  
 wrote:

> Thanks for all the replies. Much to enlighten and of interest.
>
> To be clear, my back has been largely trouble free, thank God, and 
> it's in the last 2  weeks or so that it's twinging. 
>
> I know I should buckle down and do some exercises to strengthen my 
> core (well, pushups do that, but also my shoulders and arms, as well as 
> do 
> more for my torso 

[RBW] Re: "Cross-training" for cycling: walking? Also: Inexpensive but large and practical backpack?

[Ray Varella]

Walking is great, moving around in any way is really good for you. 
Moving heavy objects at full exertion a few times per week will keep your 
core really strong. 

Exercises that isolate muscle groups might make you look good but they 
won’t strengthen your core the way “functional training” will. 

I work in heavy freight and I get all the heavy lifting I need by moving 
ungodly items in numerous ways. 

I think a lot about keeping my core strong without injuring myself. 

When I retire my routine will include walking and cycling. 
While on my walks I will climb things I come across, be it playground 
structures, boulders or trees and stairs. Using arm strength to pull 
yourself up is great for balance and strength, plus you are outside and 
will avoid the monotony of repetitious exercise. 

I would incorporate some form of heavy lifting. 
Kettle bells are great but if you aren’t careful you can tear shoulder 
muscles. 

I would buy a tire from a piece of heavy equipment. 
The act of flipping it will use your legs, shoulders, arms and stomach 
muscles. 
I would drill a hole in it and fix an eye bolt sandwiched with large 
washers. 
I would make a harness so I could pull it both moving forward and 
backwards. 

I would also likely invest in one of those heavy ropes. 
The important thing is to have a routine that you don’t become bored with. 
Being outdoors and finding ways to keep moving should help with the 
boredom. 

Ray

On Saturday, November 21, 2020 at 4:20:10 AM UTC-8 Jesse Stoddard wrote:

> For heavier loads you definitely want the majority of the weight directed 
> into your lower body. External frame packs haven't been surpassed in terms 
> of weight transfer; see if you can find a nice example on the secondhand 
> market. Dana Designs are commonly held as the pinnacle of external pack 
> design, but a Kelty or similar would probably suffice as long as it can be 
> adjusted to fit your frame correctly.
>
>
> On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 6:29:07 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:
>
>> I'm all for having a few more things with me for short trips afoot. but a 
>> bag with straps simply hangs on your shoulders and moves your center of 
>> gravity causing you to adopt an increasingly affected posture as the weight 
>> goes up. Neither your spine or your shoulders are columnar structures. They 
>> are structures that are created with soft tissue elements which injure from 
>> overuse. I will be narrating how repair of a shoulder with such goes 
>> post-op. Scheduled for 12/21 barring a complete shut down in the surge. The 
>> ortho said it wouldn't be delayed too long since any additional breakdown 
>> may result in instability threatening nerve and circulatory status. 
>>
>>  A good pack does everything possible to route the weight of load to your 
>> hips. Your lumbar spine has enough problems over time (avoiding "aging" 
>> here) with simple wear and/or shrinkage of the discs once providing 
>> suspension between the vertebrae. That doesn't even account for injury or 
>> overuse. I don't purposely load my back for good intent or toil because the 
>> outcome of that compression will be impingement of nerves and/or an 
>> increasingly limited range of motion. 
>>
>> We used to sell Dana (Gleason) Design backpacks and hipsacks that were 
>> the pinnacle of this weight transfer and accommodation of back articulation 
>> while carrying the loaded pack. Dana D. sold to K2, died under their watch 
>> and Gleason came out of retirement and started Mystery Ranch Packs. This 
>> idea that you should remove all load from your back was recognized by the 
>> Navy SEALs under the challenges of large loads, terrible terrain and need 
>> to prevent back fatigue/injury and Mystery Ranch began producing backpacks 
>> for them.  
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 1:11:03 AM UTC-5 jack loudon wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick, I have also avoided 'exercise' my whole life, and haven't set 
>>> foot in a gym since my college days more than 45 years ago.  I don't do 
>>> much besides bicycling, walking (often hiking, sometimes jogging), and 
>>> building construction.  My main back problems were before retirement, 
>>> working 9-10 hours per day mostly seated at a desk, even though I often 
>>> commuted to work by bicycle and thought I was in decent shape.  So for me, 
>>> the more sedentary I was, the worse my back felt.  Post retirement, I 
>>> started doing small construction jobs for myself and others, and haven't 
>>> had a single back issue, in spite of (or maybe because of) the moderately 
>>> strenuous work.  If you have the inclination, a construction project, like 
>>> a deck or maybe a garden shed, might help keep your back healthy like it 
>>> does mine.  It's also challenging and satisfying to build your own things.
>>>
>>> As to backpacks, the cheap ones hug your back and don't have much 
>>> padding, so hard boxes and bottles can poke into your back.  Maybe that can 
>>> be 

Re: [RBW] Re: In praise of Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 26X 2.00

[Ray Varella]

Can we hear a bit more about your Ebisu, Jim?

Ray

On Saturday, November 21, 2020 at 2:22:18 AM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:

> I've been pretty impressed with the Marathon Almotion 700x55 that I've 
> been using on an Appaloosa. They roll out remarkably well for such a fat 
> and fairly heavy tyre. The ones I have are rated as being tubeless 
> compatible, but I've been using tubes in them.
>
> Nick
>

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[RBW] Re: Sams and Thule Ridealong

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

Speaking with little authority outside of the fact that it is the only bike 
I've ever sold and I regret it, the Sam Hillborne can handle it, no worries.
-Kai

On Friday, November 20, 2020 at 5:58:33 PM UTC-5 Brady Smith wrote:

> Hi all, 
>
> I noticed that some more Sam Hillbornes are coming in December in my size, 
> and I’d love to snag one. My only hesitation is that the frame it would be 
> replacing—a Jamis Aurora—also pairs nicely with our Thule Ridealong and 
> about 35 pounds of toddler. Is the Sam stout enough to handle a loaded 
> child seat without getting too noodley? I gather that the Homer definitely 
> isn’t, and I don’t think I’d try it on my BMC monster cross (even if cable 
> routing were not an issue). I may grab one anyone and wait until she 
> outgrows our current setup, but it would be helpful to know if anyone has 
> experience carrying a kid on a Sam.
>
>  Thanks!
>
> Brady in NJ
>

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[RBW] Re: "Cross-training" for cycling: walking? Also: Inexpensive but large and practical backpack?

[Jesse Stoddard]

For heavier loads you definitely want the majority of the weight directed 
into your lower body. External frame packs haven't been surpassed in terms 
of weight transfer; see if you can find a nice example on the secondhand 
market. Dana Designs are commonly held as the pinnacle of external pack 
design, but a Kelty or similar would probably suffice as long as it can be 
adjusted to fit your frame correctly.


On Thursday, November 19, 2020 at 6:29:07 AM UTC-5 ascpgh wrote:

> I'm all for having a few more things with me for short trips afoot. but a 
> bag with straps simply hangs on your shoulders and moves your center of 
> gravity causing you to adopt an increasingly affected posture as the weight 
> goes up. Neither your spine or your shoulders are columnar structures. They 
> are structures that are created with soft tissue elements which injure from 
> overuse. I will be narrating how repair of a shoulder with such goes 
> post-op. Scheduled for 12/21 barring a complete shut down in the surge. The 
> ortho said it wouldn't be delayed too long since any additional breakdown 
> may result in instability threatening nerve and circulatory status. 
>
>  A good pack does everything possible to route the weight of load to your 
> hips. Your lumbar spine has enough problems over time (avoiding "aging" 
> here) with simple wear and/or shrinkage of the discs once providing 
> suspension between the vertebrae. That doesn't even account for injury or 
> overuse. I don't purposely load my back for good intent or toil because the 
> outcome of that compression will be impingement of nerves and/or an 
> increasingly limited range of motion. 
>
> We used to sell Dana (Gleason) Design backpacks and hipsacks that were the 
> pinnacle of this weight transfer and accommodation of back articulation 
> while carrying the loaded pack. Dana D. sold to K2, died under their watch 
> and Gleason came out of retirement and started Mystery Ranch Packs. This 
> idea that you should remove all load from your back was recognized by the 
> Navy SEALs under the challenges of large loads, terrible terrain and need 
> to prevent back fatigue/injury and Mystery Ranch began producing backpacks 
> for them.  
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Wednesday, November 18, 2020 at 1:11:03 AM UTC-5 jack loudon wrote:
>
>> Patrick, I have also avoided 'exercise' my whole life, and haven't set 
>> foot in a gym since my college days more than 45 years ago.  I don't do 
>> much besides bicycling, walking (often hiking, sometimes jogging), and 
>> building construction.  My main back problems were before retirement, 
>> working 9-10 hours per day mostly seated at a desk, even though I often 
>> commuted to work by bicycle and thought I was in decent shape.  So for me, 
>> the more sedentary I was, the worse my back felt.  Post retirement, I 
>> started doing small construction jobs for myself and others, and haven't 
>> had a single back issue, in spite of (or maybe because of) the moderately 
>> strenuous work.  If you have the inclination, a construction project, like 
>> a deck or maybe a garden shed, might help keep your back healthy like it 
>> does mine.  It's also challenging and satisfying to build your own things.
>>
>> As to backpacks, the cheap ones hug your back and don't have much 
>> padding, so hard boxes and bottles can poke into your back.  Maybe that can 
>> be tolerated for a short walk home from the store.  The nice packs 
>> (probably overkill for your use) have a semi-rigid frame that holds the 
>> pack away from your back, so you don't get poked by hard objects and also 
>> your back doesn't sweat.  I have a bit of a pack fetish and my favorites 
>> are the Osprey Stratos series (comes in several sizes), which are neither 
>> cheap nor lightweight, but are extremely comfortable with heavier loads.  
>>
>> Jack - Seattle
>> On Tuesday, November 17, 2020 at 2:30:44 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I forgot to mention that bike fit is not the cause of the problem. The 
>>> stem on the new-to-me Monocog is about 2-3 cm too far forward, but even 
>>> that bike isn't too bad.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 3:18 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for all the replies. Much to enlighten and of interest.

 To be clear, my back has been largely trouble free, thank God, and it's 
 in the last 2  weeks or so that it's twinging. 

 I know I should buckle down and do some exercises to strengthen my core 
 (well, pushups do that, but also my shoulders and arms, as well as do more 
 for my torso muscles; must get back to shovelglove) but if walking can 
 help 
 sufficiently, I'd rather walk; whence my question about walking and core 
 muscle tone, or more basically, walking and back health.

 As someone else pointed out, it's probably not the best therapy to 
 carry heavy loads on your back, so let's leave that out. (And my Naches 
 Passes, now tubeless -- sealants don't 

Re: [RBW] Re: In praise of Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 26X 2.00

[Nick Payne]

I've been pretty impressed with the Marathon Almotion 700x55 that I've been 
using on an Appaloosa. They roll out remarkably well for such a fat and 
fairly heavy tyre. The ones I have are rated as being tubeless compatible, 
but I've been using tubes in them.

Nick

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[RBW] Re: cold weather winter riding tips

[Ian Dickson]

I used to live in Fairbanks, and it’s not hard to dress for anything down 
to about -20. If it’s in the 30s, you don’t need much. Light fleece gloves, 
helmet liner, fleece vest does it for me. You want to feel a bit cold when 
you start out. If it’s much colder than that, sporthill makes nice stuff 
geared towards runners and xc skiers that works well on a bike.
On Friday, November 20, 2020 at 7:50:10 AM UTC-7 Shoji Takahashi wrote:

> To keep my hands warm, I use "Pogies" (aka Barr Mitts, etc.). The 
> challenge might be finding a pair that fits your hbars and controls well. 
>
> I also like the Riv half mitts. They work well with light gloves 
> underneath, too. 
>
> In both cases, blocking the wind goes quite far in providing comfort.
>
> Good luck!
> shoji
> Arlington MA 
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 11, 2020 at 8:56:19 AM UTC-5 br...@onenaturellc.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm curious to know what old time riders used to do to ride in sub 40 
>> degree f weather. I figure my fellow riv superfans here might have some 
>> experiences to share. I'm writing from 12508 zip code. We often get a 
>> precious few sunny hours mid-day when the temps slip into mid-thirties in 
>> the winter and the heavily salted country roads are for the most part ice 
>> free. For the record, I already tried this "zwift" thing and it isn't for 
>> me ha ha.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: In praise of Schwalbe Marathon Supreme 26X 2.00

[Ian Dickson]

Yeah, I feel life these tires get overlooked a bit. I have the 700x40s on 
my Sam. They’re fast enough, they’re nice and round, and I just don’t even 
think about flats.

On Friday, November 20, 2020 at 6:04:52 PM UTC-7 ed wrote:

> Thanks Jim for the feedback on the Supreme.
> I also used the old 1.6 Marathon supreme from my last TransAm tour in 2016 
> and I only had 2 flats. They grip well on wet aspalt so gave me confidence 
> on downhill.
>
> Because of your feedback, I now would like to try the 650b size which is 
> only available in 1.6” last time I checked.
>
> Thanks again.
>
> On Nov 21, 2020, at 5:29 AM, dougP  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Jim:
>
> I can confirm your overall impression of the Marathon Supreme.  I haven't 
> used the latest version but have been using them for over 10 years & find 
> they have best balance of performance & ruggedness of anything I've tried.  
> "Faster" tires flat much too often for my use, and more rugged tires 
> (Marathon Mondial, for instance) are a bit of overkill.  Most of my riding 
> is on pavement & maintained dirt trails.  For years, I did long tours with 
> gear, which is where I discovered the Supreme.  My tour bike has 40 mm & my 
> utility / around town MTB conversion has the 26 x 2.0 which measures a real 
> 1-5/8".  The 40 mm measures to size.  
>
> Good to hear that you've found something that fits your needs.  That's 
> always a nice experience.
>
> dougP
>
> On Friday, November 20, 2020 at 10:34:20 AM UTC-8 Jim Plaugher wrote:
>
>> There have been times in the past year when I wanted to chime in about 
>> favorite tires, but  hadn't introduced myself, properly. I did post 
>> pictures of my Roadini a while back, but still remain more of a listener.
>> There are 15 models of Marathon so when someone says they replaced their 
>> rugged Marathon with a speedier tire, I want to ask "have you tried the 
>> latest generation Marathon Supreme?" With the new slicker tread pattern and 
>> One Star rubber compound?
>> I also want to ask , "have you tried the 26X2.00?" This size seems to be 
>> a real sweet spot in terms of rolling and feel. The revelation was how much 
>> better it rolled than 26X1.6 tire it replaced. It was not apples to apples, 
>> since the 1.6 was the previous compound and tread pattern. The 26X2.00 
>> Marathon Supreme seems similar to the Schwalbe G-One speed with a little 
>> thicker rubber.
>> Living on a gravel road where I feather the brakes going down some steep 
>> sections, the 26X2.00 feels more secure than the 700X35C on the Roadini, 
>> yet another reason this is my favorite tire.
>> Isn't it nice there still options for nice rolling 26inch tires? It gave 
>> me confidence when ordering an Ebisu frame based on 26inch wheels. It is 
>> still in Tokyo, in quarantine, waiting for Japan Post Office to accept 
>> large parcels.
>> For Patrick and others, the 26X2.00 Marathon Supreme measures an actual 
>> 45mm on Atlas rims. The V-Guard models are made for tubes. The Schwalbe 14a 
>> xxlight tube fits perfectly.
>> Jim "Studded tires on the car; soon on the bike" in Lansing, Iowa
>>
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