[RBW] Black professional cyclist Justin Williams and team, from NYT

[Patrick Moore]

This might be of interest to some.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/01/sports/justin-williams-cycling-L39ION.html?action=click&module=Features&pgtype=Homepage

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[RBW] Re: Has anyone tried the new Tosco bar?

[Joe Bernard]

The rise I can't comment on because it wasn't replacing a bar on a bike I'm 
used to riding. I do remember the the grip angle having some downsweep 
similar to my Bosco Bullmoose. 



On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 6:26:49 PM UTC-8 weste...@gmail.com wrote:

> Joe, do you remember roughly how much less rise they had? Also, were the 
> grip portions on the Bullmoose version tilted down or roughly straight? 
> I'm considering them instead of the Bullmoose Boscos on our HHH -- I'm 
> looking for something a bit lower and with a bit more flare. 
> thanks, 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, Il 
>
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 5:57:09 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Oh I misspoke - that's a lawyer word for i don't know that the heck I'm 
>> talking about - they do make the Bullmoose Tosco for threadless steerers. 
>> My bad! 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 3:42:39 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> Indeed Alberto, I think this bar would solve that problem. It had kind 
>>> of a "klunker bar" feel to it with the mid-rise, and the ends flared more 
>>> than the almost-straight-back feel of my Boscos. I'm tempted to switch! 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 3:22:30 PM UTC-8 Alberto Robador wrote:
>>>
 Cool, thanks Joe! I always thought the Bosco didn't have enough flare 
 for some off road bumpy trails. I often found myself loosing grip and 
 slipping forward on the bars.

 On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 10:35:26 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I should add that no one told me when I hopped on the bike that it had 
> a new bar. It was noticeably different and great and I asked them about 
> it 
> when I got back from my spin around the building. 
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 12:05:55 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I only rode the Bullmoose prototype (pictured in the product listing 
>> but not available) on a Susie at RBW, it's what it presents as: a Bosco 
>> with a little less rise and a little more flare at the grips. My first 
>> reaction was "yeah, you gotta make this bar", the flaring out compared 
>> to 
>> my current Boscos (which I love) was real nice. 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:11:33 PM UTC-8 Alberto Robador 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm curious to hear any first impressions on this bar and how it 
>>> compares to the Bosco
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Alberto
>>>
>>

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[RBW] BOLO: Stolen Sam Hillborne (Berkeley, SFBA)

[Matthew Williams]

Green 2010 Sam Hillborne, stolen 11/30/2020 from a yard in West Berkeley.

Moustache handlebars, faded bar tape, V-brakes, a front-light and back flasher, 
Nitto front rack, and a velo orange brown leather seat, serial # 179010251. If 
you see it for sale elsewhere, please don't reward the bicycle thief (a white 
man, six feet tall, late 20s or early 30s, wears a ponytail) for his criminal 
behavior.

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/berkeley-stolen-green-rivendell-sam/7239647081.html



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[RBW] Re: Has anyone tried the new Tosco bar?

[Julian Westerhout]

Joe, do you remember roughly how much less rise they had? Also, were the 
grip portions on the Bullmoose version tilted down or roughly straight? 
I'm considering them instead of the Bullmoose Boscos on our HHH -- I'm 
looking for something a bit lower and with a bit more flare. 
thanks, 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, Il 

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 5:57:09 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Oh I misspoke - that's a lawyer word for i don't know that the heck I'm 
> talking about - they do make the Bullmoose Tosco for threadless steerers. 
> My bad! 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 3:42:39 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Indeed Alberto, I think this bar would solve that problem. It had kind of 
>> a "klunker bar" feel to it with the mid-rise, and the ends flared more than 
>> the almost-straight-back feel of my Boscos. I'm tempted to switch! 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 3:22:30 PM UTC-8 Alberto Robador wrote:
>>
>>> Cool, thanks Joe! I always thought the Bosco didn't have enough flare 
>>> for some off road bumpy trails. I often found myself loosing grip and 
>>> slipping forward on the bars.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 10:35:26 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 I should add that no one told me when I hopped on the bike that it had 
 a new bar. It was noticeably different and great and I asked them about it 
 when I got back from my spin around the building. 


 On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 12:05:55 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I only rode the Bullmoose prototype (pictured in the product listing 
> but not available) on a Susie at RBW, it's what it presents as: a Bosco 
> with a little less rise and a little more flare at the grips. My first 
> reaction was "yeah, you gotta make this bar", the flaring out compared to 
> my current Boscos (which I love) was real nice. 
>
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:11:33 PM UTC-8 Alberto Robador 
> wrote:
>
>> I'm curious to hear any first impressions on this bar and how it 
>> compares to the Bosco
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alberto
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Homeschool Project: Build a Clem L

[Joe Bernard]

Paul, I love this story. Your daughter is a very good bike builder, and as 
a bit of a 'clean bike' person myself I really appreciate how sparkly all 
the parts are!

That stem on your wife's Clem is amazing, I've never seen one that tall! 
I'll bet it's super useful, as a person with arthritis in his hands I can 
certainly appreciate the problem this solves. Nice find, mate! 

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 3:22:30 PM UTC-8 Paul in Vermont wrote:

> Hello Leah.
>
> Thanks for your note totally grateful for what you wrote. 
>
> My wife is semi-handicapped — she has a hereditary joint inflammation 
> disease that makes her arms and hands go numb if she puts weight on them 
> for extended periods of time. Picture of her Clem (blue) is attached below 
> with crazy high handlebars I found on eBay to get the weight off her wrists 
> and arms. We did her first 25 mile ride in years this past weekend here in 
> VT.
>
> Kind of funny that her 52 Clem frame is the identical size to my 12-year 
> old daughter's with the opposite extreme of saddle and bar height!
>
> Back to my daughter's Clem: I feel strongly that one of the best arguments 
> for small quality bike brands like Rivendell is the resale market. I know 
> that I can build a bike up myself and sell it for 80%-110% of the cost 
>  five years later.  So if for some reason she gets into competitive 
> mountain biking, or shoots up to 5'11" :) we can just trade in and trade up.
>
> One random thing I've been thinking about Rivendell lately is that they 
> could help support their brand by having a trade-in section on their 
> website. Essentially customers like us could post our old frames, bikes, 
> and parts up other their site, and sell them through Riv who would get a 
> cut. That way they get a piece of the secondary market, and given that many 
> of their frames and parts are constantly sold out, this could go a ways to 
> supporting the company long term.
>
> 😍
>
> Paul
>
> PS: By the way, does anyone know how I can set it so that I don't have to 
> wait for my posts to be approved? I've written to Cyclofiend and got no 
> response. It often takes a week to get responses like this up!!!
>
> [image: IMG_1237 (1).jpeg]
>
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 8:47:04 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I can’t express enough how delighted I was reading this story over my 
>> coffee this morning. 
>>
>> What a perfect 2020 homeschooling project, and one for the family memory 
>> book, at that. She built a Rivendell in the bike boom during the pandemic 
>> of 2020, sounds like a good writing project for ELA, to boot! 
>>
>> This 12 year old child knows more than I do about bike mechanics, so I am 
>> blown away. What a bright child. And I’m sure she got to spend loads of 
>> time alongside her dad as she learned, another bonus. Your friend is wrong 
>> in his estimation of this bike...
>>
>> It is not expensive; it is priceless. 
>>
>> There is another List member who gave a blue 52 Clem L to his daughter 
>> for her 11th birthday just recently. The great thing about the Clems is 
>> that you can grow into them. At 12, if your daughter can fit a 52 you’re 
>> golden; unless she is taller than 5’ 10” in a few years, this is her size. 
>> Permanently. Another reason to sing the praises of the Clementine, as if we 
>> needed one more. But anyway, my kids are both on Clems, so you’ll get no 
>> criticism from ME. The boys each have a Clem H, and I hope riding good, 
>> comfortable, capable bikes fosters a love for cycling that will stay with 
>> them as adults. There is one List member who gave her teen girl an 
>> ATLANTIS, and Analog decked it out with the teenager’s favorite Lord of the 
>> Rings quotes - typed it on bar tape with a typewriter!
>>
>> What is your wife’s Clem like? Does she have the same color? Different? 
>> And as Clems are rare as hen’s teeth these days, where did you find one for 
>> your daughter? 
>>
>> Thanks so much for sharing this story. It’s wonderful!
>> Leah 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:11:53 PM UTC-8 Paul in Vermont wrote:
>>
>>> Hello RBW Friends.
>>>
>>> My 12 year old daughter shot up this year, and it was time for a new 
>>> bicycle!
>>>
>>> We've homeschooled her since Kindergarten. One of the great advantages 
>>> is that the kids drive the curriculum (with our guidance) so when we do 
>>> stuff, it's stuff they tend to be REALLY interested in. So when she asked 
>>> to build her own bike with me as the tutor I was all in.
>>>
>>> We toyed with the idea of finding and rebuilding a vintage mixte, but 
>>> turns out used awesome step-through frames are hard to come by.  We 
>>> eventually settled on a 53 Clem L like her mother rides.
>>>
>>> Images attached, including notes, drawings of tools, and instant photos 
>>> of progress. She's fitted every screw with her own hands, and even sweated 
>>> putting on the Big Bens by herself. 
>>>
>>> It may not look like it, but lots of the parts are from 

Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Big Back Rack - LARGE

[David Person]

Third the Acorn Med Saddlebag.



On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 4:04:07 PM UTC-8 danmc wrote:

> I’ll second the Acorn Medium Saddlebag. Holds an amazing amount. Side 
> pockets are great for small items (phone etc) that you need to grab in a 
> hurry. I have never had a thigh rub issue. I have 3 of them. 
>
> The only issue with Acorn is the wait for stock. This bag seems to sell 
> more slowly than others that Acorn makes so it is fairly easy to buy one 
> when they have a batch of bags to sell. 
>
> Leah - I could loan you one for a test fit if you are interested. Just let 
> me know. 
>
> Dan
>
> San Rafael CA
>
> On Dec 1, 2020, at 7:31 AM, Brian Campbell  wrote:
>
> I have used one of these bags on my AHH for years. It will allow you to 
> carry what you need for a long day ride and a couple of straps on the 
> outside through the D-rings allow for bulky clothing to be attached. 
>
>
>
> https://www.acornbags.com/collections/rear-bags/products/medium-saddlebag?variant=1113866272
>
> You would easily be saving yourself a couple of pounds by not having the 
> large rack. 
>
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 7:25:36 AM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> Leah,
>> Have you considered a saddlebag with a quick release?
>> Nitto makes a very nice one and the part that stays attached to your 
>> saddle doesn’t weigh much.
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 5:14:55 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Bagboy up front is great, I have Rosco A set up like that with lowriders 
>>> when I need to haul stuff. Rosco B has as light of a fully integrated 
>>> basket/rack as I've yet to make. Probably do a basket on Rosco A soon 
>>> (exposing it's lovely headbadge like sibling B's)
>>> Ditching all rear weight is nice when you want to hammer out of the 
>>> pedals on a slim waisted mixte frame, not that that's something to aspire 
>>> to, but I've got a seemingly rational fear of creating flex in and around 
>>> my bottom brackets, and I'm fortunate that the Rosco Bigs have a burly fork 
>>> (75 lbs in lowriders over the bridge? Totally!!) 
>>> Made this rear rack for my light awhile back-
>>> [image: IMG-1096.jpg]
>>> this way I'm not tempted to load it up :)
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 4:27:01 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 It would be a smaller bag in this scenario and no, they don't interfere 
 with v-brakes. 


 On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:23:39 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> One more possible problem with a large saddlebag and no rack: the bag 
> when full can press against the rear brake cable and prevent strong 
> braking. I think Leah has V brakes instead of cantilevers, and perhaps V 
> brakes aren't so affected -- I've not used Vs for a decade -- but the 
> medium Saddlesack, temporarily substituting for rack and panniers on the 
> new Matthews road bike, really does interfere with the action of the rear 
> cantilever. Fortunately, I have one of those Nitto wire standoff things.
>
> I think Rivendell-design saddlebags do this worse than 
> Carradice-design saddlebags.
>
> Thigh rub doesn't bother me -- I find it comforting -- but it is a 
> real thing.
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:15 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> Of course it's sold out! 🤦
>>
>> Another issue with rackless is I don't think you've ever ridden a 
>> saddlebag that way, the rubbing on the back of the legs bothers some 
>> people 
>> (I'm one of those people). Your results may vary and whatnot. 
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 12:57:14 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Joe, I agree. Amd they’re sold out at Rivendell!!! 😫😫😫
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm #TeamLightness, too, and I like the idea of a rackless 
>>> saddlebag. If it's not too big empty and clears the fender, you can 
>>> load it 
>>> up and have it rest on said fender without pushing down too hard on it. 
>>> A 
>>> grid-gray Bag Boy to match your Banana Bag should work. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:32:11 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Kai, you may be right. I’m hesitant to add weight to the bike, I’ve 
 enjoyed its lightness so much. I am slightly bothered about the 
 limitations 
 of going rack-less. Yesterday I was on my Clementine and wanted to 
 shed my 
 down vest. Where to put that on the Platypus?! Maybe a small 
 Saddlesack 
 will work without needing a rack...

 Sent from my iPad

 On Nov 30, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
 kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:

 

 The correct answer is:
 "C) Ditch the rear rack entirely" 
 Esp

Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Big Back Rack - LARGE

[Dan McNamara]

I’ll second the Acorn Medium Saddlebag. Holds an amazing amount. Side pockets 
are great for small items (phone etc) that you need to grab in a hurry. I have 
never had a thigh rub issue. I have 3 of them. 

The only issue with Acorn is the wait for stock. This bag seems to sell more 
slowly than others that Acorn makes so it is fairly easy to buy one when they 
have a batch of bags to sell. 

Leah - I could loan you one for a test fit if you are interested. Just let me 
know. 

Dan

San Rafael CA

> On Dec 1, 2020, at 7:31 AM, Brian Campbell  wrote:
> 
> I have used one of these bags on my AHH for years. It will allow you to 
> carry what you need for a long day ride and a couple of straps on the outside 
> through the D-rings allow for bulky clothing to be attached. 
> 
> https://www.acornbags.com/collections/rear-bags/products/medium-saddlebag?variant=1113866272
> 
> You would easily be saving yourself a couple of pounds by not having the 
> large rack. 
> 
>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 7:25:36 AM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>> Leah,
>> Have you considered a saddlebag with a quick release?
>> Nitto makes a very nice one and the part that stays attached to your saddle 
>> doesn’t weigh much.
>> 
>> Ray
>> 
>>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 5:14:55 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>>> wrote:
>>> Bagboy up front is great, I have Rosco A set up like that with lowriders 
>>> when I need to haul stuff. Rosco B has as light of a fully integrated 
>>> basket/rack as I've yet to make. Probably do a basket on Rosco A soon 
>>> (exposing it's lovely headbadge like sibling B's)
>>> Ditching all rear weight is nice when you want to hammer out of the pedals 
>>> on a slim waisted mixte frame, not that that's something to aspire to, but 
>>> I've got a seemingly rational fear of creating flex in and around my bottom 
>>> brackets, and I'm fortunate that the Rosco Bigs have a burly fork (75 lbs 
>>> in lowriders over the bridge? Totally!!) 
>>> Made this rear rack for my light awhile back-
>>> 
>>> this way I'm not tempted to load it up :)
>>> -Kai
>>> 
 On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 4:27:01 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
 It would be a smaller bag in this scenario and no, they don't interfere 
 with v-brakes. 
 
 
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:23:39 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
> One more possible problem with a large saddlebag and no rack: the bag 
> when full can press against the rear brake cable and prevent strong 
> braking. I think Leah has V brakes instead of cantilevers, and perhaps V 
> brakes aren't so affected -- I've not used Vs for a decade -- but the 
> medium Saddlesack, temporarily substituting for rack and panniers on the 
> new Matthews road bike, really does interfere with the action of the rear 
> cantilever. Fortunately, I have one of those Nitto wire standoff things.
> 
> I think Rivendell-design saddlebags do this worse than Carradice-design 
> saddlebags.
> 
> Thigh rub doesn't bother me -- I find it comforting -- but it is a real 
> thing.
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:15 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>> Of course it's sold out! 🤦
>> 
>> Another issue with rackless is I don't think you've ever ridden a 
>> saddlebag that way, the rubbing on the back of the legs bothers some 
>> people (I'm one of those people). Your results may vary and whatnot. 
>> 
>>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 12:57:14 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>> Joe, I agree. Amd they’re sold out at Rivendell!!! 😫😫😫
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Nov 30, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
 I'm #TeamLightness, too, and I like the idea of a rackless saddlebag. 
 If it's not too big empty and clears the fender, you can load it up 
 and have it rest on said fender without pushing down too hard on it. A 
 grid-gray Bag Boy to match your Banana Bag should work. 
>>> 
 
 
 
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:32:11 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
> Kai, you may be right. I’m hesitant to add weight to the bike, I’ve 
> enjoyed its lightness so much. I am slightly bothered about the 
> limitations of going rack-less. Yesterday I was on my Clementine and 
> wanted to shed my down vest. Where to put that on the Platypus?! 
> Maybe a small Saddlesack will work without needing a rack...
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>> 
> 
>> The correct answer is:
>> "C) Ditch the rear rack entirely" 
>> Especially with a step throughish bike (when you're standing and 
>> giving it your all up whatever hill of death you may come across), 
>> but doubley especially consider

[RBW] Re: Has anyone tried the new Tosco bar?

[Joe Bernard]

Oh I misspoke - that's a lawyer word for i don't know that the heck I'm 
talking about - they do make the Bullmoose Tosco for threadless steerers. 
My bad! 



On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 3:42:39 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Indeed Alberto, I think this bar would solve that problem. It had kind of 
> a "klunker bar" feel to it with the mid-rise, and the ends flared more than 
> the almost-straight-back feel of my Boscos. I'm tempted to switch! 
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 3:22:30 PM UTC-8 Alberto Robador wrote:
>
>> Cool, thanks Joe! I always thought the Bosco didn't have enough flare for 
>> some off road bumpy trails. I often found myself loosing grip and slipping 
>> forward on the bars.
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 10:35:26 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I should add that no one told me when I hopped on the bike that it had a 
>>> new bar. It was noticeably different and great and I asked them about it 
>>> when I got back from my spin around the building. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 12:05:55 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 I only rode the Bullmoose prototype (pictured in the product listing 
 but not available) on a Susie at RBW, it's what it presents as: a Bosco 
 with a little less rise and a little more flare at the grips. My first 
 reaction was "yeah, you gotta make this bar", the flaring out compared to 
 my current Boscos (which I love) was real nice. 


 On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:11:33 PM UTC-8 Alberto Robador wrote:

> I'm curious to hear any first impressions on this bar and how it 
> compares to the Bosco
>
> Cheers,
> Alberto
>


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[RBW] Re: Has anyone tried the new Tosco bar?

[Joe Bernard]

Indeed Alberto, I think this bar would solve that problem. It had kind of a 
"klunker bar" feel to it with the mid-rise, and the ends flared more than 
the almost-straight-back feel of my Boscos. I'm tempted to switch! 


On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 3:22:30 PM UTC-8 Alberto Robador wrote:

> Cool, thanks Joe! I always thought the Bosco didn't have enough flare for 
> some off road bumpy trails. I often found myself loosing grip and slipping 
> forward on the bars.
>
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 10:35:26 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I should add that no one told me when I hopped on the bike that it had a 
>> new bar. It was noticeably different and great and I asked them about it 
>> when I got back from my spin around the building. 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 12:05:55 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I only rode the Bullmoose prototype (pictured in the product listing but 
>>> not available) on a Susie at RBW, it's what it presents as: a Bosco with a 
>>> little less rise and a little more flare at the grips. My first reaction 
>>> was "yeah, you gotta make this bar", the flaring out compared to my current 
>>> Boscos (which I love) was real nice. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:11:33 PM UTC-8 Alberto Robador wrote:
>>>
 I'm curious to hear any first impressions on this bar and how it 
 compares to the Bosco

 Cheers,
 Alberto

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Homeschool Project: Build a Clem L

[Paul in Vermont]

Hello Brian.

That's awesome about your daughter, it seems like we went through the same 
process. My daughter was in there with the rubber gloves for a couple 
hours, which was amazing to watch. And yes, it's cool how their creative 
opinions drive the final look.

The great thing about bikes is it's one of the last mechanical objects in 
the world you can build out of individual components. Definitely adds a lot 
to the creative process.

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 9:27:49 AM UTC-5 Brian Campbell wrote:

> Paul,
>
> Great story and a wonderful project. I am in the midst of the same thing 
> with my 14 year old daughter.  We went the route of the "vintage mixte" 
> refurb. My daughter has been riding quite a bit since the onset of the 
> pandemic and no in-person school. She too has "shot up " and is now a bit 
> over 5'8", so it was time for a new bike.
>
> We ended up with an old Centurion Mixte that she went with me to inspect 
> when we purchased it. She has picked all of the parts and I help by 
> ordering what we need and we pick through the parts I have, to see what 
> works. Then she with my help, she took it completely apart, de-greased and 
> waxed the frame while we are awaiting parts.
>
> She has a very developed opinion on the form and function (black 
> frame/silver hammered fenders/ brown saddle and grips/ 6 speed friction 
> thumb shifters/ 38-30 chainrings with a chainguard/bottle dynamo and LED 
> lights) and I am there to provide the technical bits.
>
> She is really excited and looks for the mail everyday, as we accumulate 
> what we need to finish the project.
>
> Its a lot of fun spending time with her and really interesting to see how 
> adept she is a problem-solving. 
>
> Glad you had such a great experience. Just wanted to share mine as well. 
> Humble daughter brag now over ;-)
>
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 8:47:04 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I can’t express enough how delighted I was reading this story over my 
>> coffee this morning. 
>>
>> What a perfect 2020 homeschooling project, and one for the family memory 
>> book, at that. She built a Rivendell in the bike boom during the pandemic 
>> of 2020, sounds like a good writing project for ELA, to boot! 
>>
>> This 12 year old child knows more than I do about bike mechanics, so I am 
>> blown away. What a bright child. And I’m sure she got to spend loads of 
>> time alongside her dad as she learned, another bonus. Your friend is wrong 
>> in his estimation of this bike...
>>
>> It is not expensive; it is priceless. 
>>
>> There is another List member who gave a blue 52 Clem L to his daughter 
>> for her 11th birthday just recently. The great thing about the Clems is 
>> that you can grow into them. At 12, if your daughter can fit a 52 you’re 
>> golden; unless she is taller than 5’ 10” in a few years, this is her size. 
>> Permanently. Another reason to sing the praises of the Clementine, as if we 
>> needed one more. But anyway, my kids are both on Clems, so you’ll get no 
>> criticism from ME. The boys each have a Clem H, and I hope riding good, 
>> comfortable, capable bikes fosters a love for cycling that will stay with 
>> them as adults. There is one List member who gave her teen girl an 
>> ATLANTIS, and Analog decked it out with the teenager’s favorite Lord of the 
>> Rings quotes - typed it on bar tape with a typewriter!
>>
>> What is your wife’s Clem like? Does she have the same color? Different? 
>> And as Clems are rare as hen’s teeth these days, where did you find one for 
>> your daughter? 
>>
>> Thanks so much for sharing this story. It’s wonderful!
>> Leah 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:11:53 PM UTC-8 Paul in Vermont wrote:
>>
>>> Hello RBW Friends.
>>>
>>> My 12 year old daughter shot up this year, and it was time for a new 
>>> bicycle!
>>>
>>> We've homeschooled her since Kindergarten. One of the great advantages 
>>> is that the kids drive the curriculum (with our guidance) so when we do 
>>> stuff, it's stuff they tend to be REALLY interested in. So when she asked 
>>> to build her own bike with me as the tutor I was all in.
>>>
>>> We toyed with the idea of finding and rebuilding a vintage mixte, but 
>>> turns out used awesome step-through frames are hard to come by.  We 
>>> eventually settled on a 53 Clem L like her mother rides.
>>>
>>> Images attached, including notes, drawings of tools, and instant photos 
>>> of progress. She's fitted every screw with her own hands, and even sweated 
>>> putting on the Big Bens by herself. 
>>>
>>> It may not look like it, but lots of the parts are from the parts bin — 
>>> they don't look it because she scrubbed everything before we started, even 
>>> made an old 10-speed cassette and shifter shine with degreaser. All that's 
>>> left is chain, derailleur, rack, and fenders. 
>>>
>>> Plus, she'll maintain it herself (and I won't have to! Woo!). 
>>>
>>> One of my friends made a side comment about setting up a ki

[RBW] Re: Has anyone tried the new Tosco bar?

[Alberto Robador]

Cool, thanks Joe! I always thought the Bosco didn't have enough flare for 
some off road bumpy trails. I often found myself loosing grip and slipping 
forward on the bars.

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 10:35:26 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I should add that no one told me when I hopped on the bike that it had a 
> new bar. It was noticeably different and great and I asked them about it 
> when I got back from my spin around the building. 
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 12:05:55 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I only rode the Bullmoose prototype (pictured in the product listing but 
>> not available) on a Susie at RBW, it's what it presents as: a Bosco with a 
>> little less rise and a little more flare at the grips. My first reaction 
>> was "yeah, you gotta make this bar", the flaring out compared to my current 
>> Boscos (which I love) was real nice. 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:11:33 PM UTC-8 Alberto Robador wrote:
>>
>>> I'm curious to hear any first impressions on this bar and how it 
>>> compares to the Bosco
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Alberto
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Homeschool Project: Build a Clem L

[Thomas Lawn]

This looks like a fantastic build! As the owner of a 52 Clem (albeit an 'H' 
version) shared between two adults who are *almost* 6' tall—I'd say the 
chances of your daughter outgrowing it are pretty slim. Maybe a longer stem 
every year or two. I'd be kidding if I didn't wish I had found a "forever 
bike" like the Clem when I was 12. 

Next stop: Wheelbuilding?

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:11:53 PM UTC-8 Paul in Vermont wrote:

> Hello RBW Friends.
>
> My 12 year old daughter shot up this year, and it was time for a new 
> bicycle!
>
> We've homeschooled her since Kindergarten. One of the great advantages is 
> that the kids drive the curriculum (with our guidance) so when we do stuff, 
> it's stuff they tend to be REALLY interested in. So when she asked to build 
> her own bike with me as the tutor I was all in.
>
> We toyed with the idea of finding and rebuilding a vintage mixte, but 
> turns out used awesome step-through frames are hard to come by.  We 
> eventually settled on a 53 Clem L like her mother rides.
>
> Images attached, including notes, drawings of tools, and instant photos of 
> progress. She's fitted every screw with her own hands, and even sweated 
> putting on the Big Bens by herself. 
>
> It may not look like it, but lots of the parts are from the parts bin — 
> they don't look it because she scrubbed everything before we started, even 
> made an old 10-speed cassette and shifter shine with degreaser. All that's 
> left is chain, derailleur, rack, and fenders. 
>
> Plus, she'll maintain it herself (and I won't have to! Woo!). 
>
> One of my friends made a side comment about setting up a kid with such a 
> nice (read: not cheap) bike. I totally disagree. It's my experience that a 
> good bike with solid components is a killer investment, especially for a 
> teenager. She'll ride it twice as much as a cheap clunker, and this one 
> will last all the way to adulthood and beyond. Plus if she ever wants a 
> different ride, a used Riv sells on this forum for a good percentage of 
> what it cost us to put together!
>
> Besides learning actual skills and getting to spend time together working 
> with our hands, almost the most important lesson is respect for good 
> things, rather than just buying more cheap junk you replace when it breaks. 
> That's a life lesson about love that extends far beyond the bicycle! Much 
> needed in today's world.
>
> PS: For those of you have kids and who are considering it, homeschooling 
> rules. 
>
> Costs way less than private school (if you can afford that) and many, many 
> less hours than public school and zero peer pressure to do dumb stuff. At 
> 12, she's still a fairy about half the time — when she isn't building 
> bikes, monkeying around with electronics,  taking care of the pigs at a 
> local farm, or doing math homework, which she actually loves because 
> there's nobody to tell her not to love it. 
>
> So much for the horrors of puberty!
>
> Much love.
>
> Paul
>
> [image: IMG_1297.jpeg]
> [image: IMG_1300.jpeg]
>
> [image: IMG_1298.jpeg]
>
> [image: IMG_1299.jpeg]
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Parts Bin items in Portland, OR

[Jeffrey S]

UPDATE:

Brooks “Ladies Standard B178” saddle, used only a handful of times - $120

Shimano clipless pd-m505 pedals - $30

Velo Orange Porteur handlebars 25.4 clamp size - $20

Velo Orange Milan handle bar 25.4 clamp size - SOLD

Velo Orange Postino handlebar 25.4 clamp size - SOLD

Bianchi Deda pista track handlebars 26.0 clamp size with Brooks leather 
wrap (off of a Bianchi Pista) - $30

Minoura saddle rail double waterbottle holder with one Minoura cage - $10

Campagnolo downtube shifter levers - SOLD

No name 27.2 seatpost - $10

NIB Profile Racing 16 tooth track cog 1/8” - $20

Surly track cog 15 tooth 3/32” - $10

Golden Saddle Cyclery Cycling Cap worn a few times - $10

Shimano R099 clipless shoes in great shape but older Size 44 - $10

Suntour 6 speed cassette - $10

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:12:32 PM UTC-8 Jeffrey S wrote:

> Located in Portland, OR. Hoping to sell these locally first. If shipping 
> is necessary, I would just add whatever it costs to do so. I'll wait a week 
> before I decide to ship anything.  Photos can be seen here: 
> https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bop/d/portland-parts-box-sale-brooks-shimano/7237888793.html
>
> And always on the hunt for that 55cm Sage green Canti Sam frameset you 
> have lying around! : )
>
> Brooks “Ladies Standard B178” saddle, used only a handful of times - $120
>
> Shimano clipless pd-m505 pedals - $30
>
> Velo Orange Porteur handlebars 26.0 clamp size - $20
>
> Velo Orange Milan handle bar 25.4 clamp size - $20
>
> Velo Orange Curvy handlebar 26.0 clamp size - $20
>
> Bianchi Deda pista track handlebars 26.0 clamp size with Brooks leather 
> wrap (off of a Bianchi Pista) - $30
>
> Minoura saddle rail double waterbottle holder with one Minoura cage - $10
>
> Campagnolo downtube shifter levers - $20
>
> No name 27.2 seatpost - $10
>
> NIB Profile Racing 16 tooth track cog 1/8” - $20
>
> Surly track cog 15 tooth 3/32” - $10
>
> Golden Saddle Cyclery Cycling Cap worn a few times - $10
>
> Shimano R099 clipless shoes in great shape but older Size 44 - $10
>
> Suntour 6 speed cassette - $10
>

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Gus Boots size Large🌲

[Paul Budnitz]

Yay! Found one. Thanks all!
On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 2:12:55 AM UTC-5 Paul Budnitz wrote:

> Hello All.
>
> If anyone has a size L Gus they'd like to part with, I'd love it.
>
> Thank you!
>
> Paul
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Frame Bag?

[Joe Bernard]

Here's the link to Roman's bikes on the Staff page. I've always admired his 
"make it work exactly how I want" vibe. 

https://www.rivbike.com/pages/romans-staff-bikes

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 1:59:42 PM UTC-8 Wyatt wrote:

> Ah, good to know! Thanks.
>
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 3:40:34 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Roman is into them and sewed his own for a couple bikes. I think there 
>> was some discussion of doing them as a Riv product but he's not there 
>> anymore, not sure if the idea got very far. 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 1:28:19 PM UTC-8 Wyatt wrote:
>>
>>> I seem to remember a Sackville frame bag being teased awhile back. As I 
>>> recall, not a full frame bag, but something like a half-frame bag that 
>>> would run the length of the top tube. Can't find any evidence of it, 
>>> though. Am I imagining things or is something like this in the pipeline? 
>>> Would love to know more details if so.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Frame Bag?

[Collin A]

You could see if Riv's fabric could be used by a custom bag maker? 

This guy does waxed canvas, but it's not the same quality as the Sackville 
material:
https://www.cyclecatsdesign.com/ 

Collin in Sacramento 

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 1:59:42 PM UTC-8 Wyatt wrote:

> Ah, good to know! Thanks.
>
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 3:40:34 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Roman is into them and sewed his own for a couple bikes. I think there 
>> was some discussion of doing them as a Riv product but he's not there 
>> anymore, not sure if the idea got very far. 
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 1:28:19 PM UTC-8 Wyatt wrote:
>>
>>> I seem to remember a Sackville frame bag being teased awhile back. As I 
>>> recall, not a full frame bag, but something like a half-frame bag that 
>>> would run the length of the top tube. Can't find any evidence of it, 
>>> though. Am I imagining things or is something like this in the pipeline? 
>>> Would love to know more details if so.
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Frame Bag?

[Wyatt]

Ah, good to know! Thanks.

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 3:40:34 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Roman is into them and sewed his own for a couple bikes. I think there was 
> some discussion of doing them as a Riv product but he's not there anymore, 
> not sure if the idea got very far. 
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 1:28:19 PM UTC-8 Wyatt wrote:
>
>> I seem to remember a Sackville frame bag being teased awhile back. As I 
>> recall, not a full frame bag, but something like a half-frame bag that 
>> would run the length of the top tube. Can't find any evidence of it, 
>> though. Am I imagining things or is something like this in the pipeline? 
>> Would love to know more details if so.
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Frame Bag?

[Joe Bernard]

Roman is into them and sewed his own for a couple bikes. I think there was 
some discussion of doing them as a Riv product but he's not there anymore, 
not sure if the idea got very far. 


On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 1:28:19 PM UTC-8 Wyatt wrote:

> I seem to remember a Sackville frame bag being teased awhile back. As I 
> recall, not a full frame bag, but something like a half-frame bag that 
> would run the length of the top tube. Can't find any evidence of it, 
> though. Am I imagining things or is something like this in the pipeline? 
> Would love to know more details if so.

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[RBW] Sackville Frame Bag?

[Wyatt]

I seem to remember a Sackville frame bag being teased awhile back. As I 
recall, not a full frame bag, but something like a half-frame bag that 
would run the length of the top tube. Can't find any evidence of it, 
though. Am I imagining things or is something like this in the pipeline? 
Would love to know more details if so.

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[RBW] Re: COVID face mask that lets you breathe and doesn't cause glasses to fog?

[Patrick Moore]

I got the Buff neck gaiter yesterday; it won't make breathing any easier,
but it will be a lot easier to wear low and quickly pull up at need. Thanks
again, all.

And, FWIW, in case this information is of use: medical/hygiene scuttlebutt
on the web says that doubling over a thin gaiter considerably improves the
blockage of your sneezes.

Bright orange!

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Re: [RBW] Leah’s Rivendell Raspberry Platypus

[David Person]

I'm 'patiently' waiting for Velocity Quill rims to come back in stock so I 
can build another pair of wheels for my Hillborne.  Some took up baking or 
woodworking during the pandemic.  It learned wheelbuilding.  Will be going 
with the standard black rims as the polished silver versions add another 
$40 to the standard $140 price tag.  Custom anodizing adds another $40 to 
that, so $220 per rim is quite a bit. 

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 10:49:26 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Unfortunately I'm not Bill I'm just dumb-old Joe and you already know I'm 
> entirely besotted with this bicycle and my approval is assumed, so we shall 
> move on to works in progress. One thing you COULD do if there's a decent 
> wheel builder in the pro bro mountain bike shop is buy those rose rims when 
> they're available, ride your current ones for a year-or-so, then put the 
> new ones on. Is that crazy? Not any crazier than most of the changes and 
> upgrades we do around here, that's what *I* say! 
>
> Joe "yes, she wore out these rims on Killer Hill in a year, it's time for 
> new ones" Bernard 
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 10:18:38 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I picked up my bike (again) from the shop with newly “Riv-versed” 
>> (perfect term coined by Mark Roland) levers and shifters. We need one more 
>> adjustment to the left shifter (it’s not ergonomic; points to the ground, 
>> making it impossible to thumb) and it’s good.
>>
>> Well...I’m anodizing a bunch of stuff from Analog again, so I suppose 
>> it’s only done for NOW. When I forewent the rose rims that took most of the 
>> rose out of my build, so I need to add some back in and tie it in with the 
>> teal. I thought I would be done and riding off into the sunset and not 
>> thinking on appearances anymore, but I’m finding it’s a process.
>>
>> The rack situation is a strange one. I barely have a fistful of seat post 
>> and will likely need the large Nitto Rear Rack and am crossing my fingers 
>> it doesn’t come up too high. I don’t want to make my bike heavier, but it’s 
>> unnerving not being able to carry anything. I like the front without a 
>> rack; I’ve always wanted a bike set up that way,  it it was impractical. I 
>> have and like the light over the fork. So, I’ll most likely get the rear 
>> rack.
>>
>> Tonight I got to set up my bars how I wanted them. I had bought and 
>> stowed a beautiful little Spurcycle bell and iPhone mount for this 
>> raspberry bike. My old mirror for my Betty Foy was installed, and finally, 
>> a string of Christmas lights. I don’t know that I’ll keep the Bananasax, I 
>> just can’t seem to work with it. I’ll keep trying. Clearly, the bike is not 
>> finished, but it’s PROGRESS.
>>
>> Now, where is that Bill Lindsay guy - I want him to say APPROVE.
>> Leah 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Homeschool Project: Build a Clem L

[David Person]

Congratulations to your daughter (and you for allowing her to do it all 
herself).  Beautiful project and a bike (and memories) she will cherish for 
a long, long time.

Kudos to you too, Brian.  Wonderful experiences.  



On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 6:27:49 AM UTC-8 Brian Campbell wrote:

> Paul,
>
> Great story and a wonderful project. I am in the midst of the same thing 
> with my 14 year old daughter.  We went the route of the "vintage mixte" 
> refurb. My daughter has been riding quite a bit since the onset of the 
> pandemic and no in-person school. She too has "shot up " and is now a bit 
> over 5'8", so it was time for a new bike.
>
> We ended up with an old Centurion Mixte that she went with me to inspect 
> when we purchased it. She has picked all of the parts and I help by 
> ordering what we need and we pick through the parts I have, to see what 
> works. Then she with my help, she took it completely apart, de-greased and 
> waxed the frame while we are awaiting parts.
>
> She has a very developed opinion on the form and function (black 
> frame/silver hammered fenders/ brown saddle and grips/ 6 speed friction 
> thumb shifters/ 38-30 chainrings with a chainguard/bottle dynamo and LED 
> lights) and I am there to provide the technical bits.
>
> She is really excited and looks for the mail everyday, as we accumulate 
> what we need to finish the project.
>
> Its a lot of fun spending time with her and really interesting to see how 
> adept she is a problem-solving. 
>
> Glad you had such a great experience. Just wanted to share mine as well. 
> Humble daughter brag now over ;-)
>
> On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 8:47:04 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> I can’t express enough how delighted I was reading this story over my 
>> coffee this morning. 
>>
>> What a perfect 2020 homeschooling project, and one for the family memory 
>> book, at that. She built a Rivendell in the bike boom during the pandemic 
>> of 2020, sounds like a good writing project for ELA, to boot! 
>>
>> This 12 year old child knows more than I do about bike mechanics, so I am 
>> blown away. What a bright child. And I’m sure she got to spend loads of 
>> time alongside her dad as she learned, another bonus. Your friend is wrong 
>> in his estimation of this bike...
>>
>> It is not expensive; it is priceless. 
>>
>> There is another List member who gave a blue 52 Clem L to his daughter 
>> for her 11th birthday just recently. The great thing about the Clems is 
>> that you can grow into them. At 12, if your daughter can fit a 52 you’re 
>> golden; unless she is taller than 5’ 10” in a few years, this is her size. 
>> Permanently. Another reason to sing the praises of the Clementine, as if we 
>> needed one more. But anyway, my kids are both on Clems, so you’ll get no 
>> criticism from ME. The boys each have a Clem H, and I hope riding good, 
>> comfortable, capable bikes fosters a love for cycling that will stay with 
>> them as adults. There is one List member who gave her teen girl an 
>> ATLANTIS, and Analog decked it out with the teenager’s favorite Lord of the 
>> Rings quotes - typed it on bar tape with a typewriter!
>>
>> What is your wife’s Clem like? Does she have the same color? Different? 
>> And as Clems are rare as hen’s teeth these days, where did you find one for 
>> your daughter? 
>>
>> Thanks so much for sharing this story. It’s wonderful!
>> Leah 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:11:53 PM UTC-8 Paul in Vermont wrote:
>>
>>> Hello RBW Friends.
>>>
>>> My 12 year old daughter shot up this year, and it was time for a new 
>>> bicycle!
>>>
>>> We've homeschooled her since Kindergarten. One of the great advantages 
>>> is that the kids drive the curriculum (with our guidance) so when we do 
>>> stuff, it's stuff they tend to be REALLY interested in. So when she asked 
>>> to build her own bike with me as the tutor I was all in.
>>>
>>> We toyed with the idea of finding and rebuilding a vintage mixte, but 
>>> turns out used awesome step-through frames are hard to come by.  We 
>>> eventually settled on a 53 Clem L like her mother rides.
>>>
>>> Images attached, including notes, drawings of tools, and instant photos 
>>> of progress. She's fitted every screw with her own hands, and even sweated 
>>> putting on the Big Bens by herself. 
>>>
>>> It may not look like it, but lots of the parts are from the parts bin — 
>>> they don't look it because she scrubbed everything before we started, even 
>>> made an old 10-speed cassette and shifter shine with degreaser. All that's 
>>> left is chain, derailleur, rack, and fenders. 
>>>
>>> Plus, she'll maintain it herself (and I won't have to! Woo!). 
>>>
>>> One of my friends made a side comment about setting up a kid with such a 
>>> nice (read: not cheap) bike. I totally disagree. It's my experience that a 
>>> good bike with solid components is a killer investment, especially for a 
>>> teenager. She'll ride it twice as much as a 

[RBW] Re: Has anyone tried the new Tosco bar?

[Joe Bernard]

I should add that no one told me when I hopped on the bike that it had a 
new bar. It was noticeably different and great and I asked them about it 
when I got back from my spin around the building. 


On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 12:05:55 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I only rode the Bullmoose prototype (pictured in the product listing but 
> not available) on a Susie at RBW, it's what it presents as: a Bosco with a 
> little less rise and a little more flare at the grips. My first reaction 
> was "yeah, you gotta make this bar", the flaring out compared to my current 
> Boscos (which I love) was real nice. 
>
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:11:33 PM UTC-8 Alberto Robador wrote:
>
>> I'm curious to hear any first impressions on this bar and how it compares 
>> to the Bosco
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alberto
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: ISO: budget 650b rim brake wheel set

[David Person]

Brain at Cycle Seattle (StoneHog.com) purchased a Cycles Toussaint frameset 
5 years ago and wrote several posts about it.  

https://stonehog.com//?s=toussaint&search=Go



On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:12:55 PM UTC-8 jonathan...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> No experience, but seen some RBW members talk about these in the past w/ 
> mixed reviews. cyclestoussaint 650B 
> 
> I just went super cheapo with an Amazon StaTru set for under $100 shipped. 
> I do not expect much from them but they'll do fine until I get around to 
> building my new wheels. After that, I'll donate them to a local coop for 
> some 26" conversion thing or wheel truing lessons. Good luck!
> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 3:29:27 PM UTC-5 Nikko in Oakland wrote:
>
>> Hey y’all, 
>>
>> I’m waiting for Rich to get all the parts to build me a wheelset. 
>>
>> In the meantime, does anybody have a < $200 650b rim brake wheel set 
>> they’re willing to part with? Preferably in the Bay Area so I can pick it 
>> up instead of pay for shipping. 
>>
>> Thanks in advance! 
>>
>> Nikko 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Bike Radar discovers the S24O

[Craig Montgomery]

That was difficult to watch. They are just kids...reinventing the wheel. 

Grandpa Craig in Tucson

On Saturday, November 28, 2020 at 3:14:14 AM UTC-7 ascpgh wrote:

> I get email feeds from this British cycling "news" source. I thought it 
> was fun to see them take a friend who was quite a newbie to non-pavement on 
> their trip. 
>
> Their ride and the self sufficiency seemed to ooze the newness of the 
> activity that I recall folks feeling when Grant first named the Sub 24 hour 
> overnight bike ride in the Rivendell Reader. They'd been doing those for a 
> while before the name,  it just took some thought to realize how odd it 
> seemed to those outside their circle. I mean it was the early '90s and road 
> was road (crit bikes, tri bikes, 700x23 was a fat training tire) and 
> mountain was getting all huffed up on suspension. Carrying things on a bike 
> to camp implied "touring" and you needed front and rear panniers on your 
> RB-T to carry all of the special items for bike camping. 
>
> These three didn't necessarily see their trip as a stepping stone to 
> longer self sufficient trips using little more gear than they had this 
> time. They never even mentioned the Rough Stuff Fellowship (UK, 1955-).
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: V-Brake Cheviot 60cm silver with increased tire clearance NEW Paul Motolite

[A. Nostuh]

Due to the brake bridges being modified for increased tire clearance they 
will not attach fenders

On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 10:21:24 PM UTC-5 A. Nostuh wrote:

> I have a handsome Big Cheviot silver paint job that was modified by 
> Bilenky and repainted 
>
> As well as canti posts (Paul Motolite), there was some slight carving in 
> the chain stays and bridge for increased clearance 
>
> It will comfortably clear 55mm 700c tire. (I can fit a 60mm in the front)
>
> Asking 1500 shipped to continental USA professionally boxed by the shop 
> here in Saratoga Springs NY
>
> The original Frame was designed for long reach caliper brakes 
>
> This modification is for Paul Motolite Brakes that are included
>
> Frameset seatpsot headset and bottom bracket and purple and red Paul 
> motolites included
>
>
> Thanks
> Al in Saratoga 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bikes on eBay, CraigsLIst, and Other Sites

[Pancake]

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/oakland-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7239891989.html

59cm Clem Jr with moto lite brakes $1,750 

On Monday, 23 November 2020 at 07:42:30 UTC-8 Matthew Williams wrote:

> 61cm Sam Hillborne
> $3100
> Walnut Creek, CA
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/walnut-creek-rivendell-sam-hillbourne/7235484624.html
>
> [image: hillborne.jpg]
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, July 8, 2020 at 4:11:41 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> This thread is for Rivendells you've found on eBay, CraigsList, and sites 
>> beyond: bikes in which you think someone here might be interested. This 
>> thread isn't for posting ads to your own ad, it's just so people who are 
>> searching or interested have a place to look, like, "Hey, check this out!" 
>> Here are a few, from today's searches:
>>
>> 61cm Roadini
>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/283940882590
>>
>> 58cm Quickbeam
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/pinole-rivendell-quickbeam-58/7154380920.html
>>
>> 52cm Clementine
>>
>> https://dallas.craigslist.org/dal/bik/d/richardson-rivendell-clementine/7130894748.html
>>
>> 65cm Redwood
>>
>> https://bellingham.craigslist.org/bik/d/bellingham-rivendell-redwood/7153843392.html
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: V-Brake Cheviot 60cm silver with increased tire clearance NEW Paul Motolite

[lambbo]

A pic of the whole bike might help 


On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 12:24:46 PM UTC-5 A. Nostuh wrote:

>
> It was unclear in the posting but frameset and brakes are new unscathed 
> condition
>
> There are scratches on the seatpost 
>
> Also, due to the brake bridge being modified for increased clearance it 
> may complicate adding fenders see attached photo
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 10:21:24 PM UTC-5 A. Nostuh wrote:
>
>> I have a handsome Big Cheviot silver paint job that was modified by 
>> Bilenky and repainted 
>>
>> As well as canti posts (Paul Motolite), there was some slight carving in 
>> the chain stays and bridge for increased clearance 
>>
>> It will comfortably clear 55mm 700c tire. (I can fit a 60mm in the front)
>>
>> Asking 1500 shipped to continental USA professionally boxed by the shop 
>> here in Saratoga Springs NY
>>
>> The original Frame was designed for long reach caliper brakes 
>>
>> This modification is for Paul Motolite Brakes that are included
>>
>> Frameset seatpsot headset and bottom bracket and purple and red Paul 
>> motolites included
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>> Al in Saratoga 
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Atlantis differences

[Chris L]

I still don't know where my Hunqapillar frame was built.  I believe it is 
from the very first batch (gray/orange) and the brochures I've found state 
early Hunq's were built in Taiwan, Japan & Wisconsin.  The problem is that 
I don't know which brochure (if any) is accurate for mine.  

The serial number is faint but I believe it is:  RIVP###  82/595.  It's 
been awhile since I looked at it and I think the really hard part to read 
was the "P", which now thinking about it, might logically be a "B" for 
Bicycle.  

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 1:12:32 AM UTC-6 Joe in the Pay Area wrote:

> Having cawfee with Rich this morning, he of R'dell wheel building fame, I 
> found out the difference between my 2 Atlantis's. (Yeah, yeah, I 
> know...it's hard to bitch when you have a loaf of bread under each arm...)
>
> So, Atlantises made by Toyo have chainstays that flare Out at the 
> drop-outs, whereas the Taiwan and Waterford chainstays are straight from 
> their bend out of the bottom bracket. The presence of a plate between the 
> chainstays for a generator or kickstand doesn't help identifying the 
> constructor.
>
> Hope it helps. Btw, share the bread...we're all in this together.
>

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Re: [RBW] Bombadil on its Archetypal Route (loads of photos)

[Eric Marth]

This is some choice content, Thanks Jason

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 2:12:55 AM UTC-5 Andy Beichler wrote:

> I was listening to Soul Serenade from the live album King Curtis cut out 
> at the Fillmore West as I was scrolling through.  Your pictures and his 
> beautiful playing went together quite well.  Thanks.  
>
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:40:33 PM UTC-5 Paul Richardson wrote:
>
>> thanks for posting this.  really enjoyed reading it and these photos look 
>> like fern gully.  wish i had easy access to that kinda wildness!
>>
>> paul
>> takoma park, md.
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 10:41:49 AM UTC-5 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>>
>>> Wow! Amazing loop! thanks for sharing! You mention bears and cougars, do 
>>> you ever carry bear spray? 
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 5:02:46 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Very pretty photos. One of my favorite kinds of riding is dirt or 
 gravel roads or trails that are not technical, just like those you show. I 
 live close to a lot of them, but ours are sandy; tossup whether I'd prefer 
 sand or mud. 

 This moves me to resolve to explore more of our trails north of where I 
 live, and spend half a day doing that, sometime soon!

 On Sat, Nov 28, 2020 at 9:51 PM Jason Fuller  
 wrote:

> I had a particular route in mind when I bought this frameset from Joe, 
> and today I rode it (well, one version of it). It's just outside of town 
> here in Vancouver BC, and its quite special. We have an immense wealth of 
> trails on our north shore, though most are technical mountain bike or 
> hiking trails. I love those trails, but this route features the only 
> extended stretch of gravel that is fully closed to motorized traffic as 
> well as the only paved parkway that extends into the wilderness in this 
> region. 
>
> I can ride it from my doorstep; it's about 11km to get to this paved 
> parkway - popular in summer, but pretty quiet nowadays. 
>
> [image: IMG_2849rs.JPG]
>
> This path carves through the rainforest for about 5km, leaving cell 
> service behind, until a pretty hard-to-miss singletrack turnoff takes you 
> down a steep embankment to this grand clearing, known as The Spot among 
> friends here. Despite its established looks, it's both well hidden and 
> hard 
> to access, and therefore goes unknown to many who ride this region. 
>
> [image: IMG_2851rs.JPG]
>
> From here, my route follows a steep downhill stretch of singletrack to 
> a marsh, where a gravel access road begins and will take me a further 7km 
> into the valley and away from the city. 
>
> [image: PXL_20201128_222541680.jpg]
>
> This access road, called Spur 4, used to be charming double-track with 
> grass up the middle but it was graded this year with fresh gravel. 
> Unfortunate. Bears and cougars inhabit this area and humans are few and 
> far 
> between - combine this with the lack of cell service and the fact you're 
> now over 10km into the woods, it can be pretty humbling to ride alone. 
>
> [image: IMG_2861.JPG]
>
> A connector trail brings you back to the main parkway, where most 
> people are. It was a little wet today, but that's fine by me. I can't 
> imagine life without full-coverage fenders! 
>
> [image: IMG_2863rs.JPG]
>
> Above is the view of the lake, which is as far as you can go. It was 
> only about 2:30 but already the sun was falling behind the tall peaks to 
> the west; I'm far enough north that it's getting dark shortly after 4pm 
> now. 
>
> [image: PXL_20201128_230524452.jpg]
>
> The first leg of the return route is called the Hatchery Trail, and 
> it's the highlight of the whole route for me. It's a non-technical trail 
> that winds through the moss-rich forest, including placards with 
> information on local wildlife. It's beautifully maintained and quite 
> wonderous, considering the nearest vehicle parking is 10km away!   
>
> [image: IMG_2871rs.JPG]
>
> This puts you back on the paved parkway, which I followed for the full 
> 10km back out of the forest. At the parking lot, I followed a steep 
> downhill connector trail to the trail network to the east. 
>
> [image: IMG_2877rs.JPG]
>
> As I dropped in elevation I entered a pre-sunset fog. Combined with 
> the beginnings of a sunset, it really made for a cool effect with the 
> moss 
> and lichen covered trees. 
>
> [image: PXL_20201129_000243149.jpg]
>
> The full route from my door falls a bit short of 60km, which is a nice 
> length for me - big enough to be rather epic, but can be done in about 4 
> hours and leaves me with a bit of gas in the tank so I'm not a wreck for 
> the rest of the evening! 
>
> Thanks for foll

Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Big Back Rack - LARGE

[Brian Campbell]

I have used one of these bags on my AHH for years. It will allow you to 
carry what you need for a long day ride and a couple of straps on the 
outside through the D-rings allow for bulky clothing to be attached. 

https://www.acornbags.com/collections/rear-bags/products/medium-saddlebag?variant=1113866272

You would easily be saving yourself a couple of pounds by not having the 
large rack. 

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 7:25:36 AM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:

> Leah,
> Have you considered a saddlebag with a quick release?
> Nitto makes a very nice one and the part that stays attached to your 
> saddle doesn’t weigh much.
>
> Ray
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 5:14:55 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
> wrote:
>
>> Bagboy up front is great, I have Rosco A set up like that with lowriders 
>> when I need to haul stuff. Rosco B has as light of a fully integrated 
>> basket/rack as I've yet to make. Probably do a basket on Rosco A soon 
>> (exposing it's lovely headbadge like sibling B's)
>> Ditching all rear weight is nice when you want to hammer out of the 
>> pedals on a slim waisted mixte frame, not that that's something to aspire 
>> to, but I've got a seemingly rational fear of creating flex in and around 
>> my bottom brackets, and I'm fortunate that the Rosco Bigs have a burly fork 
>> (75 lbs in lowriders over the bridge? Totally!!) 
>> Made this rear rack for my light awhile back-
>> [image: IMG-1096.jpg]
>> this way I'm not tempted to load it up :)
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 4:27:01 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> It would be a smaller bag in this scenario and no, they don't interfere 
>>> with v-brakes. 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:23:39 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 One more possible problem with a large saddlebag and no rack: the bag 
 when full can press against the rear brake cable and prevent strong 
 braking. I think Leah has V brakes instead of cantilevers, and perhaps V 
 brakes aren't so affected -- I've not used Vs for a decade -- but the 
 medium Saddlesack, temporarily substituting for rack and panniers on the 
 new Matthews road bike, really does interfere with the action of the rear 
 cantilever. Fortunately, I have one of those Nitto wire standoff things.

 I think Rivendell-design saddlebags do this worse than Carradice-design 
 saddlebags.

 Thigh rub doesn't bother me -- I find it comforting -- but it is a real 
 thing.

 On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:15 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Of course it's sold out! 🤦
>
> Another issue with rackless is I don't think you've ever ridden a 
> saddlebag that way, the rubbing on the back of the legs bothers some 
> people 
> (I'm one of those people). Your results may vary and whatnot. 
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 12:57:14 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Joe, I agree. Amd they’re sold out at Rivendell!!! 😫😫😫
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>
>> I'm #TeamLightness, too, and I like the idea of a rackless 
>> saddlebag. If it's not too big empty and clears the fender, you can load 
>> it 
>> up and have it rest on said fender without pushing down too hard on it. 
>> A 
>> grid-gray Bag Boy to match your Banana Bag should work. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:32:11 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Kai, you may be right. I’m hesitant to add weight to the bike, I’ve 
>>> enjoyed its lightness so much. I am slightly bothered about the 
>>> limitations 
>>> of going rack-less. Yesterday I was on my Clementine and wanted to shed 
>>> my 
>>> down vest. Where to put that on the Platypus?! Maybe a small Saddlesack 
>>> will work without needing a rack...
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
>>> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> The correct answer is:
>>> "C) Ditch the rear rack entirely" 
>>> Especially with a step throughish bike (when you're standing and 
>>> giving it your all up whatever hill of death you may come across), but 
>>> doubley especially considering your kids can carry their own stack of 
>>> textbooks now.
>>> -Kai
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:14:25 AM UTC-5 masmojo wrote:
>>>
 Leah, A couple/few suggestions here:
>
 A) There are plenty of lights that fit that little tab on the rack. 
 (Unfortunately that would make the existing light obsolete) You could 
 still 
 use the same cable routing as now, just extend it up through the 
 fender to 
 the rack mounting point.
 B) Take a hack saw and saw the light tab off the rack. cover up 
 scar with some silver

[RBW] Re: FS: V-Brake Cheviot 60cm silver with increased tire clearance NEW Paul Motolite

[Tim Bantham]

I've seen this frameset in person and it is gorgeous! If you don't know 
Steve Bilenky's work he is a master. The welds and the paint where the 
canti studs had been added are flawless. This is a truly unique Cheviot 
frame. Recommend!

On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 10:21:24 PM UTC-5 A. Nostuh wrote:

> I have a handsome Big Cheviot silver paint job that was modified by 
> Bilenky and repainted 
>
> As well as canti posts (Paul Motolite), there was some slight carving in 
> the chain stays and bridge for increased clearance 
>
> It will comfortably clear 55mm 700c tire. (I can fit a 60mm in the front)
>
> Asking 1500 shipped to continental USA professionally boxed by the shop 
> here in Saratoga Springs NY
>
> The original Frame was designed for long reach caliper brakes 
>
> This modification is for Paul Motolite Brakes that are included
>
> Frameset seatpsot headset and bottom bracket and purple and red Paul 
> motolites included
>
>
> Thanks
> Al in Saratoga 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Homeschool Project: Build a Clem L

[Brian Campbell]

Paul,

Great story and a wonderful project. I am in the midst of the same thing 
with my 14 year old daughter.  We went the route of the "vintage mixte" 
refurb. My daughter has been riding quite a bit since the onset of the 
pandemic and no in-person school. She too has "shot up " and is now a bit 
over 5'8", so it was time for a new bike.

We ended up with an old Centurion Mixte that she went with me to inspect 
when we purchased it. She has picked all of the parts and I help by 
ordering what we need and we pick through the parts I have, to see what 
works. Then she with my help, she took it completely apart, de-greased and 
waxed the frame while we are awaiting parts.

She has a very developed opinion on the form and function (black 
frame/silver hammered fenders/ brown saddle and grips/ 6 speed friction 
thumb shifters/ 38-30 chainrings with a chainguard/bottle dynamo and LED 
lights) and I am there to provide the technical bits.

She is really excited and looks for the mail everyday, as we accumulate 
what we need to finish the project.

Its a lot of fun spending time with her and really interesting to see how 
adept she is a problem-solving. 

Glad you had such a great experience. Just wanted to share mine as well. 
Humble daughter brag now over ;-)

On Tuesday, December 1, 2020 at 8:47:04 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I can’t express enough how delighted I was reading this story over my 
> coffee this morning. 
>
> What a perfect 2020 homeschooling project, and one for the family memory 
> book, at that. She built a Rivendell in the bike boom during the pandemic 
> of 2020, sounds like a good writing project for ELA, to boot! 
>
> This 12 year old child knows more than I do about bike mechanics, so I am 
> blown away. What a bright child. And I’m sure she got to spend loads of 
> time alongside her dad as she learned, another bonus. Your friend is wrong 
> in his estimation of this bike...
>
> It is not expensive; it is priceless. 
>
> There is another List member who gave a blue 52 Clem L to his daughter for 
> her 11th birthday just recently. The great thing about the Clems is that 
> you can grow into them. At 12, if your daughter can fit a 52 you’re golden; 
> unless she is taller than 5’ 10” in a few years, this is her size. 
> Permanently. Another reason to sing the praises of the Clementine, as if we 
> needed one more. But anyway, my kids are both on Clems, so you’ll get no 
> criticism from ME. The boys each have a Clem H, and I hope riding good, 
> comfortable, capable bikes fosters a love for cycling that will stay with 
> them as adults. There is one List member who gave her teen girl an 
> ATLANTIS, and Analog decked it out with the teenager’s favorite Lord of the 
> Rings quotes - typed it on bar tape with a typewriter!
>
> What is your wife’s Clem like? Does she have the same color? Different? 
> And as Clems are rare as hen’s teeth these days, where did you find one for 
> your daughter? 
>
> Thanks so much for sharing this story. It’s wonderful!
> Leah 
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:11:53 PM UTC-8 Paul in Vermont wrote:
>
>> Hello RBW Friends.
>>
>> My 12 year old daughter shot up this year, and it was time for a new 
>> bicycle!
>>
>> We've homeschooled her since Kindergarten. One of the great advantages is 
>> that the kids drive the curriculum (with our guidance) so when we do stuff, 
>> it's stuff they tend to be REALLY interested in. So when she asked to build 
>> her own bike with me as the tutor I was all in.
>>
>> We toyed with the idea of finding and rebuilding a vintage mixte, but 
>> turns out used awesome step-through frames are hard to come by.  We 
>> eventually settled on a 53 Clem L like her mother rides.
>>
>> Images attached, including notes, drawings of tools, and instant photos 
>> of progress. She's fitted every screw with her own hands, and even sweated 
>> putting on the Big Bens by herself. 
>>
>> It may not look like it, but lots of the parts are from the parts bin — 
>> they don't look it because she scrubbed everything before we started, even 
>> made an old 10-speed cassette and shifter shine with degreaser. All that's 
>> left is chain, derailleur, rack, and fenders. 
>>
>> Plus, she'll maintain it herself (and I won't have to! Woo!). 
>>
>> One of my friends made a side comment about setting up a kid with such a 
>> nice (read: not cheap) bike. I totally disagree. It's my experience that a 
>> good bike with solid components is a killer investment, especially for a 
>> teenager. She'll ride it twice as much as a cheap clunker, and this one 
>> will last all the way to adulthood and beyond. Plus if she ever wants a 
>> different ride, a used Riv sells on this forum for a good percentage of 
>> what it cost us to put together!
>>
>> Besides learning actual skills and getting to spend time together working 
>> with our hands, almost the most important lesson is respect for good 
>> things, rather than just buying more cheap

[RBW] Re: Homeschool Project: Build a Clem L

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I can’t express enough how delighted I was reading this story over my 
coffee this morning. 

What a perfect 2020 homeschooling project, and one for the family memory 
book, at that. She built a Rivendell in the bike boom during the pandemic 
of 2020, sounds like a good writing project for ELA, to boot! 

This 12 year old child knows more than I do about bike mechanics, so I am 
blown away. What a bright child. And I’m sure she got to spend loads of 
time alongside her dad as she learned, another bonus. Your friend is wrong 
in his estimation of this bike...

It is not expensive; it is priceless. 

There is another List member who gave a blue 52 Clem L to his daughter for 
her 11th birthday just recently. The great thing about the Clems is that 
you can grow into them. At 12, if your daughter can fit a 52 you’re golden; 
unless she is taller than 5’ 10” in a few years, this is her size. 
Permanently. Another reason to sing the praises of the Clementine, as if we 
needed one more. But anyway, my kids are both on Clems, so you’ll get no 
criticism from ME. The boys each have a Clem H, and I hope riding good, 
comfortable, capable bikes fosters a love for cycling that will stay with 
them as adults. There is one List member who gave her teen girl an 
ATLANTIS, and Analog decked it out with the teenager’s favorite Lord of the 
Rings quotes - typed it on bar tape with a typewriter!

What is your wife’s Clem like? Does she have the same color? Different? And 
as Clems are rare as hen’s teeth these days, where did you find one for 
your daughter? 

Thanks so much for sharing this story. It’s wonderful!
Leah 



On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:11:53 PM UTC-8 Paul in Vermont wrote:

> Hello RBW Friends.
>
> My 12 year old daughter shot up this year, and it was time for a new 
> bicycle!
>
> We've homeschooled her since Kindergarten. One of the great advantages is 
> that the kids drive the curriculum (with our guidance) so when we do stuff, 
> it's stuff they tend to be REALLY interested in. So when she asked to build 
> her own bike with me as the tutor I was all in.
>
> We toyed with the idea of finding and rebuilding a vintage mixte, but 
> turns out used awesome step-through frames are hard to come by.  We 
> eventually settled on a 53 Clem L like her mother rides.
>
> Images attached, including notes, drawings of tools, and instant photos of 
> progress. She's fitted every screw with her own hands, and even sweated 
> putting on the Big Bens by herself. 
>
> It may not look like it, but lots of the parts are from the parts bin — 
> they don't look it because she scrubbed everything before we started, even 
> made an old 10-speed cassette and shifter shine with degreaser. All that's 
> left is chain, derailleur, rack, and fenders. 
>
> Plus, she'll maintain it herself (and I won't have to! Woo!). 
>
> One of my friends made a side comment about setting up a kid with such a 
> nice (read: not cheap) bike. I totally disagree. It's my experience that a 
> good bike with solid components is a killer investment, especially for a 
> teenager. She'll ride it twice as much as a cheap clunker, and this one 
> will last all the way to adulthood and beyond. Plus if she ever wants a 
> different ride, a used Riv sells on this forum for a good percentage of 
> what it cost us to put together!
>
> Besides learning actual skills and getting to spend time together working 
> with our hands, almost the most important lesson is respect for good 
> things, rather than just buying more cheap junk you replace when it breaks. 
> That's a life lesson about love that extends far beyond the bicycle! Much 
> needed in today's world.
>
> PS: For those of you have kids and who are considering it, homeschooling 
> rules. 
>
> Costs way less than private school (if you can afford that) and many, many 
> less hours than public school and zero peer pressure to do dumb stuff. At 
> 12, she's still a fairy about half the time — when she isn't building 
> bikes, monkeying around with electronics,  taking care of the pigs at a 
> local farm, or doing math homework, which she actually loves because 
> there's nobody to tell her not to love it. 
>
> So much for the horrors of puberty!
>
> Much love.
>
> Paul
>
> [image: IMG_1297.jpeg]
> [image: IMG_1300.jpeg]
>
> [image: IMG_1298.jpeg]
>
> [image: IMG_1299.jpeg]
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: WTB Nitto Big Back Rack - LARGE

[Ray Varella]

Leah,
Have you considered a saddlebag with a quick release?
Nitto makes a very nice one and the part that stays attached to your saddle 
doesn’t weigh much.

Ray

On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 5:14:55 PM UTC-8 Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY 
wrote:

> Bagboy up front is great, I have Rosco A set up like that with lowriders 
> when I need to haul stuff. Rosco B has as light of a fully integrated 
> basket/rack as I've yet to make. Probably do a basket on Rosco A soon 
> (exposing it's lovely headbadge like sibling B's)
> Ditching all rear weight is nice when you want to hammer out of the pedals 
> on a slim waisted mixte frame, not that that's something to aspire to, but 
> I've got a seemingly rational fear of creating flex in and around my bottom 
> brackets, and I'm fortunate that the Rosco Bigs have a burly fork (75 lbs 
> in lowriders over the bridge? Totally!!) 
> Made this rear rack for my light awhile back-
> [image: IMG-1096.jpg]
> this way I'm not tempted to load it up :)
> -Kai
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 4:27:01 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> It would be a smaller bag in this scenario and no, they don't interfere 
>> with v-brakes. 
>>
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:23:39 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> One more possible problem with a large saddlebag and no rack: the bag 
>>> when full can press against the rear brake cable and prevent strong 
>>> braking. I think Leah has V brakes instead of cantilevers, and perhaps V 
>>> brakes aren't so affected -- I've not used Vs for a decade -- but the 
>>> medium Saddlesack, temporarily substituting for rack and panniers on the 
>>> new Matthews road bike, really does interfere with the action of the rear 
>>> cantilever. Fortunately, I have one of those Nitto wire standoff things.
>>>
>>> I think Rivendell-design saddlebags do this worse than Carradice-design 
>>> saddlebags.
>>>
>>> Thigh rub doesn't bother me -- I find it comforting -- but it is a real 
>>> thing.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 2:15 PM Joe Bernard  wrote:
>>>
 Of course it's sold out! 🤦

 Another issue with rackless is I don't think you've ever ridden a 
 saddlebag that way, the rubbing on the back of the legs bothers some 
 people 
 (I'm one of those people). Your results may vary and whatnot. 

 On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 12:57:14 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Joe, I agree. Amd they’re sold out at Rivendell!!! 😫😫😫
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 30, 2020, at 12:49 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> I'm #TeamLightness, too, and I like the idea of a rackless saddlebag. 
> If it's not too big empty and clears the fender, you can load it up and 
> have it rest on said fender without pushing down too hard on it. A 
> grid-gray Bag Boy to match your Banana Bag should work. 
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:32:11 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Kai, you may be right. I’m hesitant to add weight to the bike, I’ve 
>> enjoyed its lightness so much. I am slightly bothered about the 
>> limitations 
>> of going rack-less. Yesterday I was on my Clementine and wanted to shed 
>> my 
>> down vest. Where to put that on the Platypus?! Maybe a small Saddlesack 
>> will work without needing a rack...
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Nov 30, 2020, at 11:17 AM, Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY <
>> kaivi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> The correct answer is:
>> "C) Ditch the rear rack entirely" 
>> Especially with a step throughish bike (when you're standing and 
>> giving it your all up whatever hill of death you may come across), but 
>> doubley especially considering your kids can carry their own stack of 
>> textbooks now.
>> -Kai
>>
>> On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:14:25 AM UTC-5 masmojo wrote:
>>
>>> Leah, A couple/few suggestions here:

>>> A) There are plenty of lights that fit that little tab on the rack. 
>>> (Unfortunately that would make the existing light obsolete) You could 
>>> still 
>>> use the same cable routing as now, just extend it up through the fender 
>>> to 
>>> the rack mounting point.
>>> B) Take a hack saw and saw the light tab off the rack. cover up scar 
>>> with some silver paint. (I am sure Riv knows what kind of paint matches 
>>> the 
>>> Nitto silver)
>>> C) Ditch the rear rack entirely; Since I stopped commuting I find 
>>> the rear rack/bag sort of superfluous. I am running a Med. Wald basket 
>>> up 
>>> front mounted on a Surly 8 pack rack with a massive Realm Basket bag, 
>>> so 
>>> more than enough capacity, but I could do with much less (& frequently 
>>> do) 
>>> and I am guessing you could as well. I took the rear rack off my bike 
>>> just 
>>> prior to my Western states circuit a month ago and I re

[RBW] Re: Has anyone tried the new Tosco bar?

[Joe Bernard]

I only rode the Bullmoose prototype (pictured in the product listing but 
not available) on a Susie at RBW, it's what it presents as: a Bosco with a 
little less rise and a little more flare at the grips. My first reaction 
was "yeah, you gotta make this bar", the flaring out compared to my current 
Boscos (which I love) was real nice. 


On Monday, November 30, 2020 at 11:11:33 PM UTC-8 Alberto Robador wrote:

> I'm curious to hear any first impressions on this bar and how it compares 
> to the Bosco
>
> Cheers,
> Alberto
>

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