[RBW] Re: FS: Berthoud post-m

[Peter Adler]

There's no rack/decaleur link in the main interface of the French version, 
either.

The site's been redone sometime during our Year of Plague, to be more 
modernish - much shinier, a lot more Javascript. It's possible (and I would 
daresay likely) that whatever bunch of web designers M. Berthoud hired to 
do his redesign got careless about the links, and whoever was checking off 
on their work didn't follow through all the links to make sure everything 
was publicly visible.

I suppose somebody like me ought to drop them a note about that...

Peter "as if I don't have cable TV serieses to binge" Adler
trying to finish *The Americans* tonight in
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 9:18:56 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> That happened to me when I was trying to find pics for the buyer that 
> showed how the rack/bag look on a bike. I don't remember how I found the 
> racks but it wasn't easy. Weird site. 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 8:42:49 PM UTC-7 Paul Brodek wrote:
>
>> Kinda weird, I also couldn't find any links to racks/decaleurs from 
>> Berthoud's website, but when I googled "Berthoud BG604 rack," I got this 
>> link:
>> https://berthoudcycles.fr/en/160-racks
>>
>> Which brings up the following page, so it might just be a website 
>> malfunction? Hard to imagine they'd ditch all those decaleurs and stuff. 
>> There's klickfix stuff there, too, and they still carry bags that mount 
>> with klickfix.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Berthoud post-m

[Joe Bernard]

That happened to me when I was trying to find pics for the buyer that 
showed how the rack/bag look on a bike. I don't remember how I found the 
racks but it wasn't easy. Weird site. 



On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 8:42:49 PM UTC-7 Paul Brodek wrote:

> Kinda weird, I also couldn't find any links to racks/decaleurs from 
> Berthoud's website, but when I googled "Berthoud BG604 rack," I got this 
> link:
> https://berthoudcycles.fr/en/160-racks
>
> Which brings up the following page, so it might just be a website 
> malfunction? Hard to imagine they'd ditch all those decaleurs and stuff. 
> There's klickfix stuff there, too, and they still carry bags that mount 
> with klickfix.
>
> Ben's in Mwke is a Berthoud retailer, btw, though they don't carry/stock 
> the whole range. Didn't see the GB604-704 or rack listed, fer instance.
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
> [image: Screenshot_2021-05-25 Racks.png]
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 11:10:30 PM UTC-4 divis...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Well, there's always this one, from the Euro-Asia link David posted above:
>>
>> [image: rackforgb704andgb604mounted_1392_detail.jpg]
>>
>> I am mindful of this at the moment because I returned from David's and 
>> my mutual bike kitchen* with a used GB 704, without realizing that's what 
>> it was. I didn't see the rack, because I didn't know I needed it; now I'll 
>> need to go back tomorrow to do a hard-target search for it, because 
>> although they still feature the bags that require the racks, GB no longer 
>> lists racks or decaleurs of any kind on their site - a troubling 
>> development. Euro-Asia 
>>  
>> may have inventory, so any shop with an E-A account can order it; but it's 
>> not clear that there's any new product coming in from France.
>>
>> Maybe Monsieur Gugliamana will get some more business out of this, if 
>> making up for the inconsistencies of *constructeurs* is a trade he 
>> wants. And I do feel I should mention that the GB racks, clever as they 
>> are, are also butt-ugly.
>>
>> TL; DR version: I paid $75 for a much scruffier-looking, smaller GB bag 
>> without the required rack, which may no longer be available. So Joe's price 
>> was a crazy good deal.
>>
>> Peter Adler
>> Berkeley, CA/USA
>>
>> *Street Level Cycles  in West 
>> Berkeley, which finally opened the shop to the public at the beginning of 
>> May after being sealed up for 14 months. I've spent about $300 in the last 
>> few weeks, just hoovering up used bike parts I'll know when I see, but I 
>> can't ask some young'un to ID with any confidence
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 8:12:36 AM UTC-7 Paul Brodek wrote:
>>
>>> Can't find any pix handy of the 704 on anything.
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Photos of my Riv AR reconfiguration in the wilds (of my classroom)

[rltilley]

Nice! What size tires are those? I was measuring my circa 2000 AR and I think 
the fattest tire I could fit in the fork would be about 1.7” wide. Pretty 
narrow based on what I ride now. I was hoping for around 2” tires. Maybe a 650B 
conversion at some point down the road?

Robert “fatties don’t fit fine” Tilley
San Diego, CA

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> On May 25, 2021, at 10:33 AM, Addison Wilhite  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Just sharing a few photos of this 23 year old Rivendell (gasp!).  How many 
> miles, commutes, tours, has this thing seen?  Still looks fantastic.  Not 
> sure if I'll stick with the moustache bar.  I've used it before but the 
> barend swing seems like a recipe for a top tube ding if I'm not careful.  May 
> need to put the Noodles on.
> 
> I'm loving the beefy tires
> 
> Cheers...
> 
> Addison Wilhite, M.A. 
> 
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[RBW] Re: FS: Berthoud post-m

[Peter Adler]

Well, there's always this one, from the Euro-Asia link David posted above:

[image: rackforgb704andgb604mounted_1392_detail.jpg]

I am mindful of this at the moment because I returned from David's and my 
mutual bike kitchen* with a used GB 704, without realizing that's what it 
was. I didn't see the rack, because I didn't know I needed it; now I'll 
need to go back tomorrow to do a hard-target search for it, because 
although they still feature the bags that require the racks, GB no longer 
lists racks or decaleurs of any kind on their site - a troubling 
development. Euro-Asia 
 may 
have inventory, so any shop with an E-A account can order it; but it's not 
clear that there's any new product coming in from France.

Maybe Monsieur Gugliamana will get some more business out of this, if 
making up for the inconsistencies of *constructeurs* is a trade he wants. 
And I do feel I should mention that the GB racks, clever as they are, are 
also butt-ugly.

TL; DR version: I paid $75 for a much scruffier-looking, smaller GB bag 
without the required rack, which may no longer be available. So Joe's price 
was a crazy good deal.

Peter Adler
Berkeley, CA/USA

*Street Level Cycles  in West 
Berkeley, which finally opened the shop to the public at the beginning of 
May after being sealed up for 14 months. I've spent about $300 in the last 
few weeks, just hoovering up used bike parts I'll know when I see, but I 
can't ask some young'un to ID with any confidence

On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 8:12:36 AM UTC-7 Paul Brodek wrote:

> Can't find any pix handy of the 704 on anything.
>

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Re: [RBW] Platy front derailleur with Riv wide-low double (39x28)?

[KenP]

  Tom,
  in DC area bike coops Phoenix or Velocity have used parts. They sell 
old parts inexpensively.  You go and look through their bin.
  But I had trouble with a front triple myself.  Even after going to a 
shop.   Then I bought an  FD off Ebay that was spec'ed for 30 39 52. 
Finally bending it down to match the profile of the large ring helped.  
And  I took a strong grinder to the back part of the cage so it would go 
closer to the big ring .  The steel is quite tough.Crank is  30, 38, 
52.   For your double with experimenting You can probably make whatever you 
find work. 
Ken

On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 2:26:03 PM UTC-4 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:

> Tom
> Google
> IRD sub compact fr derailleur .Numerous bike shops sell them.
> I love mine.
>
> On Tue, May 25, 2021, 7:27 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:
>
>> OK, I'm still struggling to find a FD.  I tried a Microsoft R9 and that 
>> didn't seem to work.  The local bike shop said 10 speed won't work with 9 
>> speed (which is all they had).  I'm running friction. 
>>
>> Leah was nice enough to show how her older Deore (9 speed triple 
>> mountain?) was set up. Has anyone purchased a FD that works for them?  I'm 
>> having a hard time with all of the different variations (on ebay) or the 
>> myriad of 10-speed triples new.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Tom
>>
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[RBW] WTB: Velocity Atlas or Cliffhanger 700c wheelset.

[Jan O.]

I forgot to mention that I'm looking for 32h front/36h rear or 36h front/36 
rear.

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[RBW] Re:

[Carla Waugh]

sold
On Wednesday, May 19, 2021 at 8:46:17 AM UTC-5 Carla Waugh wrote:

> Excellent bag with little use in perfect condition. 90.00

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Bosco bars, 58cm version

[Gabriel Bruguier]

Bump.  Still looking for some Boscos.  thanks,
-Gabe

On Monday, May 17, 2021 at 10:11:48 PM UTC-5 Gabriel Bruguier wrote:

> Hello all, 
> I'm looking for a set of the 58cm Bosco bars.  If anyone has a set they'd 
> like to sell, please contact me off list.  Thank you,
> -Gabe
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS- Winter Cycles frame 55 cm

['Eugene Kwack' via RBW Owners Bunch]

 Hey Thomas,
Congratulations on the sale! And thank you for the update.
All the best,Eugene

   On Tuesday, May 25, 2021, 3:05:27 PM EDT, Thomas Blak 
 wrote:  
 
 The frame is sold. I received an offer that was enough to take it out of my 
hands. 


On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 11:46:36 AM UTC-4 Thomas Blak wrote:

I wanted Eric to build me a fast version of my Rivendell Sam Hillborne but with 
disc brakes and thru axles. It isn't exactly what I wanted so it needs to go. 

For your consideration a custom steel hand made lugged framewith hand carved 
lugs. Modern design elements such as disk brakes and thruaxles compliment this 
frame.  

Designed for 650b wheels, 42 mm wide.

Measurements 

55 cm top tube ctc

52 cm seat tube ctc

16 cm head tube (actual)

43 cm chain stay ctc

Designed with a 1” fork to keep the aesthetics.

27.2 seat tube

Stem 120 mm, 26.0 bar clamp

Paid $5500 for frame, fork, headset and stem, selling forbest reasonable offer. 
It is package deal. Mandatory price per rules of the forum $1000 US or best 
reasonable offer. 

It has been ridden 40 km and there are two imperfections.There is a small chip 
at the bottom bracket, and I have touch up paint. Thereis a second imperfection 
at the top the hand made plated stem. 

After two weeks if a reasonable offer is made it will gothe highest bidder. I 
have tried putting a price and nothing, so let the marketdictate the price.  

BEST Reasonable offer, please get this out of my house! 


https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVMUuyn




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[RBW] Re: FS- Winter Cycles frame 55 cm

[Thomas Blak]

The frame is sold. I received an offer that was enough to take it out of my 
hands. 


On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 11:46:36 AM UTC-4 Thomas Blak wrote:

> I wanted Eric to build me a fast version of my Rivendell Sam Hillborne but 
> with disc brakes and thru axles. It isn't exactly what I wanted so it needs 
> to go. 
>
> For your consideration a custom steel hand made lugged frame with hand 
> carved lugs. Modern design elements such as disk brakes and thru axles 
> compliment this frame.  
>
> Designed for 650b wheels, 42 mm wide.
>
> Measurements 
>
> 55 cm top tube ctc
>
> 52 cm seat tube ctc
>
> 16 cm head tube (actual)
>
> 43 cm chain stay ctc
>
> Designed with a 1” fork to keep the aesthetics.
>
> 27.2 seat tube
>
> Stem 120 mm, 26.0 bar clamp
>
> Paid $5500 for frame, fork, headset and stem, selling for best reasonable 
> offer. It is package deal. Mandatory price per rules of the forum $1000 US 
> or best reasonable offer. 
>
> It has been ridden 40 km and there are two imperfections. There is a small 
> chip at the bottom bracket, and I have touch up paint. There is a second 
> imperfection at the top the hand made plated stem. 
>
> After two weeks if a reasonable offer is made it will go the highest 
> bidder. I have tried putting a price and nothing, so let the market dictate 
> the price.  
>
> BEST Reasonable offer, please get this out of my house! 
>
> https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVMUuyn
>

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[RBW] Fwd: Interloc Racing Design Sub-C Double Front Derailleur Braze-On - Silver [Y86FZ91B13] - $46.78 : braidaxe.com

[Jon Dukeman]

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Subject: Interloc Racing Design Sub-C Double Front Derailleur Braze-On -
Silver [Y86FZ91B13] - $46.78 : braidaxe.com
To: Jon Dukeman 


https://braidaxe.com/products/double-derailleur-design-braze-on-silver--interloc-racing-front-sub-c

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[RBW] Interloc Racing Design Sub-C Double Front Derailleur Braze-On - Silver [Y86FZ91B13] - $46.78 : braidaxe.com

[Jon Dukeman]

https://braidaxe.com/products/double-derailleur-design-braze-on-silver--interloc-racing-front-sub-c

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Re: [RBW] Platy front derailleur with Riv wide-low double (39x28)?

[Jon Dukeman]

Tom
Google
IRD sub compact fr derailleur .Numerous bike shops sell them.
I love mine.

On Tue, May 25, 2021, 7:27 AM Tom Wyland  wrote:

> OK, I'm still struggling to find a FD.  I tried a Microsoft R9 and that
> didn't seem to work.  The local bike shop said 10 speed won't work with 9
> speed (which is all they had).  I'm running friction.
>
> Leah was nice enough to show how her older Deore (9 speed triple
> mountain?) was set up. Has anyone purchased a FD that works for them?  I'm
> having a hard time with all of the different variations (on ebay) or the
> myriad of 10-speed triples new.
>
> Thanks!
> Tom
>
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Re: [RBW] big Atlantis-like bike

[Ben Mihovk]

I have a 59cm Atlantis with double top tube. I like DTT better if they're 
curved the way mine is rather than running parallel to the actual top tube. 
A very small part of me doesn't like how the curved tube gives the bike a 
decidedly "beach cruiser" look, because the bike is a billion times more 
versatile and sporty than that. 

I'm pretty sure the second top tube on my bike is not structurally 
necessary, but overall I'm all about the look. 

Ben in Omaha 

On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 12:42:06 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Oh, and even on 3d world roadsters they only came on heavy duty models; 
> most do not have them.
>
> On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 11:41 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> One more remark about double top tubes. They are or were common on 3d 
>> world utility bikes made of cheap steel and cheaply brazed, but even loaded 
>> touring bikes back from the steel era (or aluminum era, for that matter) 
>> never needed double top tubes in big sizes back in the pre-modern days. If 
>> one were going to jump a 64 cm frame off 3' drops, then yes, perhaps 
>> structurally needed, but I doubt they serve a structural purpose for 
>> Rivendells.
>>
>> If one likes the looks, that's fine.
>>
>> On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 2:16 AM Matthew P  wrote:
>>
>>> I like the double top tubes, even on not-super-large bikes that may or 
>>> may not need them, like Jason's Bombadil (love it).
>>> I also like the Hunq diagatube, even if it would require 2 frame bags 
>>> instead of 1 (but could be a good thing - separate the water bladder(s) 
>>> from the rest).
>>> -Matthew
>>> San Diego / Kumeyaay land
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 2:39:40 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 That was Eric Floden. I just voiced my appreciation.

 On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 8:16 AM Donald Jewell  
 wrote:

> Hi Patrick,
> Thanks for finding my pinkbike listing for my 64cm Renovelo Atlantis 
> and posting it here. I've had Rivendells since 2006 but just stumbled 
> upon 
> this Riv owners group. Over the years I've built an AHH, both orange and 
> green Quickbeams, an Yves Gomez and this Atlantis for myself. I also 
> built 
> a Betty Foy for my daughter, a AHH and a Cheviot for one girlfriend and a 
> Clem for another.
>
> I hear you on the double top tube look of the big Rivs. They're 
> definitely not as elegant as a single top tube but I wonder what the 
> buyers 
> of big single tube bikes that came apart would say about that issue. Oh 
> and 
> thanks for the tip on the gen hub wiring. 
> Don Jewell
>
>  
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 5:01:31 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I can't say that I like double top tubes even on big frames, but this 
>> is still a very pretty bike -- tho' the owner could spiff up the dynamo 
>> wiring along the fork leg.
>>
>> Patrick "60 X 56 c-c, single top tube" Moore
>>
>> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 3:51 PM Eric Floden  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> No connection with seller in Boise
>>>
>>> https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/3054321/
>>>
>>> [image: image.png]
>>>
>>> "Rivendell Renovelo Atlantis" 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Platy front derailleur with Riv wide-low double (39x28)?

[Patrick Moore]

Garth is right, you can use a road derailleur (or any other) and simply
raise it high enough to clear the stay. I've done than many times with no
shifting problems.

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 10:55 AM Garth  wrote:

> Tom it helps us readers to know what "doesn't seem to work", as in how ?
> The road FD's that I've set up with 24/26 low rings have all shifted
> brilliantly.
>
> If the FD is hitting the frame raise it until it does clear, then test it
> by riding around wherever you are. The FD doesn't need to be as close to
> the big ring as "suggested". Everything of the manual drivetrain lends
> itself to endless creativity.
>
> This will help you understand all the various FD designs.
>
> https://bike.bikegremlin.com/1297/bicycle-front-derailleur-compatibility/
> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 11:05:02 AM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Pam.  I'm in the DC area (Herndon, VA) but it's spring and all
>> mechanics are booked.  I'll ask Tim/Daniel at Bikes at Vienna when I can
>> get there.  I'm trying to do this build all by myself as a project.  I
>> would rather not order and return 5 FD if possible.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 10:58:14 AM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>>
>>> I have an older derailleur I got from the used bin at our Recyclery bike
>>> shop.  Most old school derailleurs will work for friction.  I don't even
>>> know the name of it.  It's all metal.  The newer derailleurs are sized for
>>> different tubing and it had a plastic shim that did not hold.  Where are
>>> you located?  You need a mechanic who is used to older bikes.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 9:27:10 AM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>>
 OK, I'm still struggling to find a FD.  I tried a Microsoft R9 and that
 didn't seem to work.  The local bike shop said 10 speed won't work with 9
 speed (which is all they had).  I'm running friction.

 Leah was nice enough to show how her older Deore (9 speed triple
 mountain?) was set up. Has anyone purchased a FD that works for them?  I'm
 having a hard time with all of the different variations (on ebay) or the
 myriad of 10-speed triples new.

 Thanks!
 Tom


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Re: [RBW] big Atlantis-like bike

[Patrick Moore]

Oh, and even on 3d world roadsters they only came on heavy duty models;
most do not have them.

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 11:41 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> One more remark about double top tubes. They are or were common on 3d
> world utility bikes made of cheap steel and cheaply brazed, but even loaded
> touring bikes back from the steel era (or aluminum era, for that matter)
> never needed double top tubes in big sizes back in the pre-modern days. If
> one were going to jump a 64 cm frame off 3' drops, then yes, perhaps
> structurally needed, but I doubt they serve a structural purpose for
> Rivendells.
>
> If one likes the looks, that's fine.
>
> On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 2:16 AM Matthew P 
> wrote:
>
>> I like the double top tubes, even on not-super-large bikes that may or
>> may not need them, like Jason's Bombadil (love it).
>> I also like the Hunq diagatube, even if it would require 2 frame bags
>> instead of 1 (but could be a good thing - separate the water bladder(s)
>> from the rest).
>> -Matthew
>> San Diego / Kumeyaay land
>>
>> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 2:39:40 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> That was Eric Floden. I just voiced my appreciation.
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 8:16 AM Donald Jewell  wrote:
>>>
 Hi Patrick,
 Thanks for finding my pinkbike listing for my 64cm Renovelo Atlantis
 and posting it here. I've had Rivendells since 2006 but just stumbled upon
 this Riv owners group. Over the years I've built an AHH, both orange and
 green Quickbeams, an Yves Gomez and this Atlantis for myself. I also built
 a Betty Foy for my daughter, a AHH and a Cheviot for one girlfriend and a
 Clem for another.

 I hear you on the double top tube look of the big Rivs. They're
 definitely not as elegant as a single top tube but I wonder what the buyers
 of big single tube bikes that came apart would say about that issue. Oh and
 thanks for the tip on the gen hub wiring.
 Don Jewell






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> I can't say that I like double top tubes even on big frames, but this
> is still a very pretty bike -- tho' the owner could spiff up the dynamo
> wiring along the fork leg.
>
> Patrick "60 X 56 c-c, single top tube" Moore
>
> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 3:51 PM Eric Floden 
> wrote:
>
>> No connection with seller in Boise
>>
>> https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/3054321/
>>
>> [image: image.png]
>>
>> "Rivendell Renovelo Atlantis"
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Re: [RBW] big Atlantis-like bike

[Patrick Moore]

One more remark about double top tubes. They are or were common on 3d world
utility bikes made of cheap steel and cheaply brazed, but even loaded
touring bikes back from the steel era (or aluminum era, for that matter)
never needed double top tubes in big sizes back in the pre-modern days. If
one were going to jump a 64 cm frame off 3' drops, then yes, perhaps
structurally needed, but I doubt they serve a structural purpose for
Rivendells.

If one likes the looks, that's fine.

On Tue, May 25, 2021 at 2:16 AM Matthew P 
wrote:

> I like the double top tubes, even on not-super-large bikes that may or may
> not need them, like Jason's Bombadil (love it).
> I also like the Hunq diagatube, even if it would require 2 frame bags
> instead of 1 (but could be a good thing - separate the water bladder(s)
> from the rest).
> -Matthew
> San Diego / Kumeyaay land
>
> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 2:39:40 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> That was Eric Floden. I just voiced my appreciation.
>>
>> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 8:16 AM Donald Jewell  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Patrick,
>>> Thanks for finding my pinkbike listing for my 64cm Renovelo Atlantis and
>>> posting it here. I've had Rivendells since 2006 but just stumbled upon this
>>> Riv owners group. Over the years I've built an AHH, both orange and green
>>> Quickbeams, an Yves Gomez and this Atlantis for myself. I also built a
>>> Betty Foy for my daughter, a AHH and a Cheviot for one girlfriend and a
>>> Clem for another.
>>>
>>> I hear you on the double top tube look of the big Rivs. They're
>>> definitely not as elegant as a single top tube but I wonder what the buyers
>>> of big single tube bikes that came apart would say about that issue. Oh and
>>> thanks for the tip on the gen hub wiring.
>>> Don Jewell
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 5:01:31 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 I can't say that I like double top tubes even on big frames, but this
 is still a very pretty bike -- tho' the owner could spiff up the dynamo
 wiring along the fork leg.

 Patrick "60 X 56 c-c, single top tube" Moore

 On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 3:51 PM Eric Floden  wrote:

> No connection with seller in Boise
>
> https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/3054321/
>
> [image: image.png]
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[RBW] Re: Platy front derailleur with Riv wide-low double (39x28)?

[RichS]

Tom,

Have you tried a Shimano 9 speed Sora? Available as a double or triple. I 
have one of these (double) on a frame and it works fine. Friction shifting 
7 cogs with a 46x34 in the front. Mine is shimmed but so far no issues. The 
number of front and rear derailers on the market today is indeed staggering.

To Pam's point I'm sure others on the list can point you to some vintage 
derailers that will work for you.

Best,
Rich in ATL


On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 11:05:02 AM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:

> Thanks, Pam.  I'm in the DC area (Herndon, VA) but it's spring and all 
> mechanics are booked.  I'll ask Tim/Daniel at Bikes at Vienna when I can 
> get there.  I'm trying to do this build all by myself as a project.  I 
> would rather not order and return 5 FD if possible.
>
> Tom
>
> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 10:58:14 AM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I have an older derailleur I got from the used bin at our Recyclery bike 
>> shop.  Most old school derailleurs will work for friction.  I don't even 
>> know the name of it.  It's all metal.  The newer derailleurs are sized for 
>> different tubing and it had a plastic shim that did not hold.  Where are 
>> you located?  You need a mechanic who is used to older bikes.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 9:27:10 AM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>
>>> OK, I'm still struggling to find a FD.  I tried a Microsoft R9 and that 
>>> didn't seem to work.  The local bike shop said 10 speed won't work with 9 
>>> speed (which is all they had).  I'm running friction. 
>>>
>>> Leah was nice enough to show how her older Deore (9 speed triple 
>>> mountain?) was set up. Has anyone purchased a FD that works for them?  I'm 
>>> having a hard time with all of the different variations (on ebay) or the 
>>> myriad of 10-speed triples new.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Platy front derailleur with Riv wide-low double (39x28)?

[Garth]

Tom it helps us readers to know what "doesn't seem to work", as in how ? 
The road FD's that I've set up with 24/26 low rings have all shifted 
brilliantly. 

If the FD is hitting the frame raise it until it does clear, then test it 
by riding around wherever you are. The FD doesn't need to be as close to 
the big ring as "suggested". Everything of the manual drivetrain lends 
itself to endless creativity. 

This will help you understand all the various FD designs.  

https://bike.bikegremlin.com/1297/bicycle-front-derailleur-compatibility/
On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 11:05:02 AM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:

> Thanks, Pam.  I'm in the DC area (Herndon, VA) but it's spring and all 
> mechanics are booked.  I'll ask Tim/Daniel at Bikes at Vienna when I can 
> get there.  I'm trying to do this build all by myself as a project.  I 
> would rather not order and return 5 FD if possible.
>
> Tom
>
> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 10:58:14 AM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> I have an older derailleur I got from the used bin at our Recyclery bike 
>> shop.  Most old school derailleurs will work for friction.  I don't even 
>> know the name of it.  It's all metal.  The newer derailleurs are sized for 
>> different tubing and it had a plastic shim that did not hold.  Where are 
>> you located?  You need a mechanic who is used to older bikes.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 9:27:10 AM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:
>>
>>> OK, I'm still struggling to find a FD.  I tried a Microsoft R9 and that 
>>> didn't seem to work.  The local bike shop said 10 speed won't work with 9 
>>> speed (which is all they had).  I'm running friction. 
>>>
>>> Leah was nice enough to show how her older Deore (9 speed triple 
>>> mountain?) was set up. Has anyone purchased a FD that works for them?  I'm 
>>> having a hard time with all of the different variations (on ebay) or the 
>>> myriad of 10-speed triples new.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: My recent "CO-GAP" 7-day trip

[R Shannon]

Paul and Andy,

Thank you for all your great advice. I'm going to log this for future use:-)

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 4:44 PM RichS  wrote:

> Hi Paul,
>
> Good report! Looks like you and friend Dan had a fine time. Your visual
> and written account is much appreciated. This trip has been high on my want
> to ride list for some time. Would late spring (which worked well for you)
> or fall be the optimal seasons to be on the trail?
>
> Thanks very much.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 10:04:11 AM UTC-4 pbsm...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Nice pics Paul thanks for sharing. A friend and I are doing the DC to
>> Pitt direction later this year. I've only ever done overnight bike camping
>> trips and he's never even done that. Hoping to do it in 50 days. We live in
>> DC.
>>
>> Originally had this planned for end of August, but life got in the way so
>> now we are shooting for mid October. Gonna need some extra layers for sure.
>> Do you know when everything starts to shut down for the season?
>>
>> Pat in DC
>>
>> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 6:41:07 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> I  really enjoy seeing all the variations of folks' trips and iterations
>>> of outfitting on this route. I'm fortunate to be a twenty minute bike ride
>>> from the Pittsburgh end and frequent the GAP portions and points along that
>>> way that are fun detours and sightseeing.
>>>
>>>  I started riding on the GAP with my Rambouillet which doesn't have a
>>> load capacity for self supported travel but as a result I've refined my
>>> options for refreshments, meals and accommodations. My favorites are two
>>> day rides from home, either out to Ohiopyle for the night and back or to
>>> Cumberland with a overnighting in Ohiopyle and Amtrak home from Cumberland
>>> at 7pm. It is the use I patterned my custom bike to support.
>>>
>>> Last year I rode several centuries out and back on the GAP to take
>>> advantage of the crowd thinning weather, my familiar trailside resources
>>> and the relatively level grades.
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>> On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 12:12:57 PM UTC-4 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>>>
 While I have done unsupported multi-day trip from Pittsburgh to DC
 (GAPCO) a number of times, this time I accompanied friend, Dan on his 7-day
 trip from east-to-west in the opposite direction. A bit of a new
 perspective on the trails along the C Towpath in Maryland and the Great
 Allegheny Passage in Pennsylvania.
 I was on my Sam Hillborne, which is my dedicated touring bike, mostly.
 It serves me very well for this sort of thing. I have a Homer Hilsen I use
 for mixed-surface riding day trips and love it. It could probably handle
 touring, but I suspect the slightly stouter Hillborne is more reliable for
 multi-day loads.
 We chose to go a bit early, the end of April, and were met with a
 variety of weather conditions, from sunny (even hot) days to cold (down to
 freezing one night) with a bit of rain thrown in for fun. We were prepared
 for it so the cooler temps were welcomed.
 The benefits - especially this year when many more folks will
 undoubtedly be out riding these trails - were fewer trail users and more
 available campsites and fewer bugs along the Potomac River. (Not that is
 usually a big problem for us, even in the summer.)
 My Flickr trip album of the trip is chock full unfortunately - for my
 own memories - so I apologize in advance. This time around, however, I
 tried not to duplicate photos of the numerous and more recognizable
 landmarks for the GAPCO, which I have done before.
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/albums/72157719131492162
 Happy trails to all,
 Paul Germain
 Midlothian, Va.

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Velocity Atlas or Cliffhanger 700c wheelset.

[Grady Wright]

I have a brand new 700C Cliffhanger wheelset with Deore hubs 32h front and 
rear. Silver and Tubeless ready.  The were built by Rich Rivendell/Hands on 
Wheels. I paid $485 for them.

On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 9:11:35 a.m. UTC-6 Kushan wrote:

> Not the Atlas or Cliffhanger but I saw these on Craigslist recently that 
> might work for you: 
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bop/d/oakland-sun-rims-rivendell-700c-wheelset/7323064562.html
>
> On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 10:07:54 AM UTC-7 jan.ot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Looking for a set of Velocity Atlas or Cliffhanger (Silver preferred) 
>> 700c wheels. Please PM me if you have a set available for sale.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Jan
>> San Francisco
>>
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[RBW] FS- Winter Cycles frame 55 cm

[Thomas Blak]

I wanted Eric to build me a fast version of my Rivendell Sam Hillborne but 
with disc brakes and thru axles. It isn't exactly what I wanted so it needs 
to go. 

For your consideration a custom steel hand made lugged frame with hand 
carved lugs. Modern design elements such as disk brakes and thru axles 
compliment this frame.  

Designed for 650b wheels, 42 mm wide.

Measurements 

55 cm top tube ctc

52 cm seat tube ctc

16 cm head tube (actual)

43 cm chain stay ctc

Designed with a 1” fork to keep the aesthetics.

27.2 seat tube

Stem 120 mm, 26.0 bar clamp

Paid $5500 for frame, fork, headset and stem, selling for best reasonable 
offer. It is package deal. Mandatory price per rules of the forum $1000 US 
or best reasonable offer. 

It has been ridden 40 km and there are two imperfections. There is a small 
chip at the bottom bracket, and I have touch up paint. There is a second 
imperfection at the top the hand made plated stem. 

After two weeks if a reasonable offer is made it will go the highest 
bidder. I have tried putting a price and nothing, so let the market dictate 
the price.  

BEST Reasonable offer, please get this out of my house! 

https://flic.kr/s/aHsmVMUuyn

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[RBW] Re: WTB: Velocity Atlas or Cliffhanger 700c wheelset.

[Kushan]

Not the Atlas or Cliffhanger but I saw these on Craigslist recently that 
might work for 
you: 
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bop/d/oakland-sun-rims-rivendell-700c-wheelset/7323064562.html

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> Hi All,
>
> Looking for a set of Velocity Atlas or Cliffhanger (Silver preferred) 700c 
> wheels. Please PM me if you have a set available for sale.
>
> Thank you.
>
> Jan
> San Francisco
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Intro from Pittsburgh

[Pam Bikes]

Beautiful bikes!   A little OT but I wish someone would collect all these 
photos and print them on playing cards.  I love staring at Rivs and how 
everyone sets them up.  Love to look at all the configurations of bags, 
racks, lights, saddles, bars.

I'm not from there but my friend lived there and went to Cycle Symphony in 
Adamsburg.  Rob is the owner and built my rear wheel w/a Phil hub. 

On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 7:06:11 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:

> Bob,  
>
> Sorry for the drop off. Massive undertakings in my basement predicated by 
> our all at once snowmelt, the two days of rain accompanying non-freezing 
> temps along with a big intrusion of hyperlocal ground water flow by the 
> city (we have a lot of clay soil in my neighborhood). I am valuing my rides 
> much more now for a good number of reasons!
>
> Riding has been sporadic but ongoing. Starting to get some regular times 
> and looking forward to the Team Decaf resumption Tuesday evenings at Tazza 
> D'oro next week. 
>
> Email directly and maybe we could line up some riding. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 4:09:22 PM UTC-4 robert@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Andy and Rusty, thanks for the recommendations. I'm staying on the north 
>> side and so far I've been exploring the bike paths up and down the river. 
>> I've made it to the ends of the trails on the north side, but haven't 
>> explored the south side down to the GAP yet. That's on my list this week. 
>> I've also been up to Riverview Park.
>>
>> I had the opportunity to stop into Bear Dog bicycles here on the north 
>> side the other day, and they liked the Rivendell on sight but it was new to 
>> them. Which is totally fine. I'll stop by Kindred Cycles and check out 
>> their selection — I'm looking for racks and lights.
>>
>> Andy, I'd be happy to go for a ride this week or next. Glad to hear 
>> you're back on the bike!
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 6:58 AM, ascpgh  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Bob. 
>>>
>>> I'll put in a strong vote for Kindred Cycles on Penn Avenue in the Strip 
>>> District. Despite the concentration of students and universities there are 
>>> not the tier of bike shops near campus you'd expect.One 
>>>  was Iron City Bikes on S. Bouquet but have 
>>> consolidated into their Butler St. location. Catherine and Aaron are top 
>>> class. Catherine build my Coast rando last year and handled all the custom 
>>> built frame issues with aplomb. They stock RH tires, fenders, generator 
>>> hubs, lights, etc. The things that many shops stare back blankly at you 
>>> when you asked. Looking a little cluttered as they cope with both demand 
>>> and product availability. 
>>>
>>> A plethora of cool places to ride and see the city are around here. 
>>> Where have you explored on you bike so far? One feature of Team Decaf rides 
>>> is the they are all urban and explore interesting features and make use 
>>> of the infrastructure you noted. I'm lucky to have both the. coffee. shop 
>>> and the ride around the corner from me in my neighborhood but as you are 
>>> probably discovering, they are all fairly proximate and accessible by 
>>> bike. The kind of town where you see your favorite bike mechanic while you 
>>> are both walking your dogs. 
>>>
>>> Spring has sprung and I'm getting around on my bike again after shoulder 
>>> surgery in December. I have puttered around for a few weeks and my legs are 
>>> coming back, I'm trying not to outrun my upper body conditioning. Back to 
>>> work tomorrow, hope to get a chance to ride (appropriately distantly) 
>>> with you while you're in. town.
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 3:19:48 PM UTC-4 robert@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi folks! I'm visiting Pittsburgh for a few weeks and I've been 
 enjoying biking around town on my 62cm Appaloosa. The bike infrastructure 
 here is world class. If anybody else is interested in the group ride Andy 
 mentioned above, they're called Team Decaf and you can find them at 
 https://teamdecaf.tumblr.com — looks like group rides this year start June 
 1.

 Anyone have a recommendation for a local bike shop?

 Bob

 On Monday, 22 March 2021 at 07:21:10 UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:

> Josh,
>
> A riding group in Pittsburgh, although yet to declare a start to the 
> usual Tuesday rides beginning in April. They've met at the coffee 
> shop on N. Highland Ave. in Highland Park. All sorts and levels of 
> riders. 
> Neither a lycra drop ride, nor a tweed, sandal and sock ride either. All 
> of 
> the above. The group's been around so long that it's not absurd to be 
> called out by bystanders far from the start point as we ride through 
> neighborhoods.
>
> Links to maps of many of the routes in and around town there, length 
> varies based on available light from April to end of 

[RBW] Re: Platy front derailleur with Riv wide-low double (39x28)?

[Tom Wyland]

Thanks, Pam.  I'm in the DC area (Herndon, VA) but it's spring and all 
mechanics are booked.  I'll ask Tim/Daniel at Bikes at Vienna when I can 
get there.  I'm trying to do this build all by myself as a project.  I 
would rather not order and return 5 FD if possible.

Tom

On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 10:58:14 AM UTC-4 Pam Bikes wrote:

> I have an older derailleur I got from the used bin at our Recyclery bike 
> shop.  Most old school derailleurs will work for friction.  I don't even 
> know the name of it.  It's all metal.  The newer derailleurs are sized for 
> different tubing and it had a plastic shim that did not hold.  Where are 
> you located?  You need a mechanic who is used to older bikes.
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 9:27:10 AM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:
>
>> OK, I'm still struggling to find a FD.  I tried a Microsoft R9 and that 
>> didn't seem to work.  The local bike shop said 10 speed won't work with 9 
>> speed (which is all they had).  I'm running friction. 
>>
>> Leah was nice enough to show how her older Deore (9 speed triple 
>> mountain?) was set up. Has anyone purchased a FD that works for them?  I'm 
>> having a hard time with all of the different variations (on ebay) or the 
>> myriad of 10-speed triples new.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Seat bag security

[Pam Bikes]

I've never had anyone steal my bags or stuff out of my bike anywhere I've 
ever parked it - except once.  I was at Target on Black Friday and I think 
some kids stole my stuff - helmet, multitool, tire levers.  I've parked all 
over but mostly for short amount of time while I'm in a store or 
restaurant.  I never park for an extended period of time - probably less 
than an hour.  I have Sackville bags.  

I also have some releasable zip ties -but only you know they are 
releasable.  Want to try them?  Put them on, sit near your bike and observe 
a while.  Let me know and I'll send you some.  I had to buy a bag of 100.  
So I have plenty.

On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 7:27:37 AM UTC-4 alan lavine wrote:

>
> Another option is stainless steel zip ties, placed where they are 
> obviously noticeable.  Very difficult to cut with diagonal pliers but easy 
> to cut with sharp surgical sissorsthat's the dirty little secret.  But 
> it looks impressive.  Available on line at Home Depot.
>
> Alan NYC
> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 3:58:58 PM UTC-4 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> In the big city, I usually ride with one Ortlieb bag on the left, then 
>> take it with me wherever I go. They're light enough to carry only a few 
>> items in, and it expands in case I go to a store and buy some snacks. The 
>> quick release is always reliable for me.
>>
>> The Sackville bags are nice, but I wouldn't risk one getting stolen. 
>>
>> m
>>
>> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 2:19:15 PM UTC-4 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>>
>>> When I lived in Chicago and used a Carradice I would pair it with a 
>>> Pletscher rear rack with a mousetrap. When I parked the bike I would open 
>>> the mousetrap over the bag and then use a little padlock to lock a loop on 
>>> the bag to the mousetrap. It was an easy lockup trick and nobody every 
>>> messed with it. 
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 12:37:36 PM UTC-5 Greg J wrote:
>>>
 On my Bart bike (which I leave at the station all day during non-covid 
 times), I loop a thin braided steel cable (like 2-3mm diameter, ~10" long) 
 through the bag and the seatpost binder bolt.  These were typically used 
 to 
 theft-deter quick release seat posts.  On at least a couple of occasions, 
 I 
 found my bag (just a cheap Jannd, but still, I don't want it stolen) 
 hanging off the bike but still attached because the thief couldn't just 
 walk off with it.  Of course, I don't leave anything valuable in the bag, 
 and you could pretty easily cut through the cable if you were determined.

 Greg

 On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 7:16:09 AM UTC-7 zem...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've always wanted to attach a fancy Sackville bag to my bike, but I 
> live in Toronto where stuff gets stolen off your bike all the time. So 
> I've 
> resigned myself to only using bike parts I can bolt down.
>
> Anyone else deal with this? Any suggestions for locking down or 
> otherwise securing seat bags? 
>
> Cheers!
>
> Zack
> Toronto, Canada
>


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[RBW] Re: Platy front derailleur with Riv wide-low double (39x28)?

[Pam Bikes]

I have an older derailleur I got from the used bin at our Recyclery bike 
shop.  Most old school derailleurs will work for friction.  I don't even 
know the name of it.  It's all metal.  The newer derailleurs are sized for 
different tubing and it had a plastic shim that did not hold.  Where are 
you located?  You need a mechanic who is used to older bikes.


On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 9:27:10 AM UTC-4 Tom Wyland wrote:

> OK, I'm still struggling to find a FD.  I tried a Microsoft R9 and that 
> didn't seem to work.  The local bike shop said 10 speed won't work with 9 
> speed (which is all they had).  I'm running friction. 
>
> Leah was nice enough to show how her older Deore (9 speed triple 
> mountain?) was set up. Has anyone purchased a FD that works for them?  I'm 
> having a hard time with all of the different variations (on ebay) or the 
> myriad of 10-speed triples new.
>
> Thanks!
> Tom
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS- 2003 Riv Custom- Curt Goodrich- yes, Patrick Moores'.

[Tom Palmer]

Quite  a few inquiries but no offers yet. Someone asked if I would sell the 
frame and forks separate. 
Yes I will. Frame, 2 forks in matching powdercoat, custom racks and 2 sets 
of fenders $525 plus actual shipping. I have a box and materials to ship 
already.
My goal in posting here first is to get it to someone who would appreciate 
it and I would not have to add bar tape, a front derailler, etc to sell 
locally to someone that is just looking for a bike. 
Thanks!

Tom


On Saturday, May 22, 2021 at 2:08:34 PM UTC-4 Tom Palmer wrote:

> Here is the whole bike, Thought it was in first post.
> Tom
>
>

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[RBW] Re: My recent "CO-GAP" 7-day trip

[Pat Smith]

Thanks for the tips. Sounds like mid-October will be perfect!
Here's to hoping life doesn't get in the way... Again. 

Pat in DC

On Tuesday, May 25, 2021 at 6:56:48 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:

> Pat, all I can add since I've not self-supported the GAP-CO trip is that 
> some services may be less extensive after October. For the GAP portion, 
> October is a highlight for foliage, decreased bugs and the best chance of 
> the year's months for a dry ride. A bigger concern on the C, even days 
> following rain. Mud is a thing on the C The western section can be 
> avoided (on the other side of the canal) on the Western Maryland Rail 
> Trail  which is 26 miles of 
> pavement.  It is a different organization with a smaller scope of mileage 
> to maintain but has a higher expectation of the trail surface. You'll 
> appreciate it if raining as you close in on Cumberland.
>
> The fine limestone bed of the GAP is consistent and does make a slurry in 
> downpours, I've ridden to Ohiopyle with half being an utter downpour, the 
> latter tapered off and was wet. With an adequate flap on my Rambouillet's 
> fender my drivetrain feet and BB were spotless other than incidental spray 
> from the front fender exit. I would recommend fenders for rides on this 
> route if just to keep the flung dust from the front wheel from the constant 
> contamination of your drivetrain. More so when wet. Many services have a 
> hose with which you can do a field expedient drivetrain ungunking. A water 
> bottle with nozzle can suffice if it's bad. Choose and have chain lube you 
> are familiar with using. What goes for weeks at home might not hold through 
> lunch on the trail. 
>
> The use the GAP trail gets is undoubtable now and you should be OK. 
> Merchants aren't in business to miss sales and there are lots of riders 
> after the end of September. The Facebook page is very active. I submitted a 
> large tree down across the trail between Duquesne and McKeesport (20 mile 
> mark for me) on an out and back century. It was cut and removed by the time 
> I passed it again, 60 miles of riding later. 
>
> Services were more effected by the pandemic than usual seasons. I rode 
> more on the GAP last year to get isolated, it's part of the attraction for 
> me but it kept away many of the through or long distance riders. On nice 
> days and weekends you will be able to gauge your proximity to access points 
> and services by the "local" users. They will walk their dogs, run and 
> leisurely pedal cruisers several miles from the parking areas and become 
> your signal that town is near. 
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
>
> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 8:01:09 PM UTC-4 Bikie#4646 wrote:
>
>> Pat, I would say most of the trail towns' resupply points are open all 
>> year, but not all. The campsites on the C are open year-round. Camping on 
>> the GAP is trickier during winter, but I would say likely open until late 
>> November - a guess. A better source of first-hand information can be had 
>> from the various FB groups for both trails. Not uncommon for the GAP to 
>> have snow as a trail surface mid-winter. (Can you say, cross country 
>> skiing?) See my answer to Rich about additional winter closures.
>> By the way, as to extra layers, the C can be quite warm and chilly in 
>> the same trip. Though carrying extra clothes and gear can be a hassle, 
>> better safe than sorry. I find wool layers will pretty much cover all 
>> scenarios and needs little in the way of washing mid-trip. Also, wool can 
>> make all the difference in the rain! 
>> Paul Germain
>> Midlothian, Va
>>
>> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 10:04:11 AM UTC-4 pbsm...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Nice pics Paul thanks for sharing. A friend and I are doing the DC to 
>>> Pitt direction later this year. I've only ever done overnight bike camping 
>>> trips and he's never even done that. Hoping to do it in 50 days. We live in 
>>> DC.
>>>
>>> Originally had this planned for end of August, but life got in the way 
>>> so now we are shooting for mid October. Gonna need some extra layers for 
>>> sure. Do you know when everything starts to shut down for the season?
>>>
>>> Pat in DC
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 6:41:07 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>>>
 I  really enjoy seeing all the variations of folks' trips and 
 iterations of outfitting on this route. I'm fortunate to be a twenty 
 minute 
 bike ride from the Pittsburgh end and frequent the GAP portions and points 
 along that way that are fun detours and sightseeing.

  I started riding on the GAP with my Rambouillet which doesn't have a 
 load capacity for self supported travel but as a result I've refined my 
 options for refreshments, meals and accommodations. My favorites are two 
 day rides from home, either out to Ohiopyle for the night and back or to 
 Cumberland with a overnighting in Ohiopyle and Amtrak home from Cumberland 
 at 7pm. It is the 

[RBW] Platy front derailleur with Riv wide-low double (39x28)?

[Tom Wyland]

OK, I'm still struggling to find a FD.  I tried a Microsoft R9 and that 
didn't seem to work.  The local bike shop said 10 speed won't work with 9 
speed (which is all they had).  I'm running friction. 

Leah was nice enough to show how her older Deore (9 speed triple mountain?) 
was set up. Has anyone purchased a FD that works for them?  I'm having a 
hard time with all of the different variations (on ebay) or the myriad of 
10-speed triples new.

Thanks!
Tom


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[RBW] Re: Seat bag security

[alan lavine]

Another option is stainless steel zip ties, placed where they are obviously 
noticeable.  Very difficult to cut with diagonal pliers but easy to cut 
with sharp surgical sissorsthat's the dirty little secret.  But it 
looks impressive.  Available on line at Home Depot.

Alan NYC
On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 3:58:58 PM UTC-4 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> In the big city, I usually ride with one Ortlieb bag on the left, then 
> take it with me wherever I go. They're light enough to carry only a few 
> items in, and it expands in case I go to a store and buy some snacks. The 
> quick release is always reliable for me.
>
> The Sackville bags are nice, but I wouldn't risk one getting stolen. 
>
> m
>
> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 2:19:15 PM UTC-4 E. Ricky Creek wrote:
>
>> When I lived in Chicago and used a Carradice I would pair it with a 
>> Pletscher rear rack with a mousetrap. When I parked the bike I would open 
>> the mousetrap over the bag and then use a little padlock to lock a loop on 
>> the bag to the mousetrap. It was an easy lockup trick and nobody every 
>> messed with it. 
>>
>> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 12:37:36 PM UTC-5 Greg J wrote:
>>
>>> On my Bart bike (which I leave at the station all day during non-covid 
>>> times), I loop a thin braided steel cable (like 2-3mm diameter, ~10" long) 
>>> through the bag and the seatpost binder bolt.  These were typically used to 
>>> theft-deter quick release seat posts.  On at least a couple of occasions, I 
>>> found my bag (just a cheap Jannd, but still, I don't want it stolen) 
>>> hanging off the bike but still attached because the thief couldn't just 
>>> walk off with it.  Of course, I don't leave anything valuable in the bag, 
>>> and you could pretty easily cut through the cable if you were determined.
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 7:16:09 AM UTC-7 zem...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I've always wanted to attach a fancy Sackville bag to my bike, but I 
 live in Toronto where stuff gets stolen off your bike all the time. So 
 I've 
 resigned myself to only using bike parts I can bolt down.

 Anyone else deal with this? Any suggestions for locking down or 
 otherwise securing seat bags? 

 Cheers!

 Zack
 Toronto, Canada

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Intro from Pittsburgh

[ascpgh]

Bob,  

Sorry for the drop off. Massive undertakings in my basement predicated by 
our all at once snowmelt, the two days of rain accompanying non-freezing 
temps along with a big intrusion of hyperlocal ground water flow by the 
city (we have a lot of clay soil in my neighborhood). I am valuing my rides 
much more now for a good number of reasons!

Riding has been sporadic but ongoing. Starting to get some regular times 
and looking forward to the Team Decaf resumption Tuesday evenings at Tazza 
D'oro next week. 

Email directly and maybe we could line up some riding. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, April 14, 2021 at 4:09:22 PM UTC-4 robert@gmail.com wrote:

> Andy and Rusty, thanks for the recommendations. I'm staying on the north 
> side and so far I've been exploring the bike paths up and down the river. 
> I've made it to the ends of the trails on the north side, but haven't 
> explored the south side down to the GAP yet. That's on my list this week. 
> I've also been up to Riverview Park.
>
> I had the opportunity to stop into Bear Dog bicycles here on the north 
> side the other day, and they liked the Rivendell on sight but it was new to 
> them. Which is totally fine. I'll stop by Kindred Cycles and check out 
> their selection — I'm looking for racks and lights.
>
> Andy, I'd be happy to go for a ride this week or next. Glad to hear you're 
> back on the bike!
>
> Bob
>
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 13, 2021 at 6:58 AM, ascpgh  wrote:
>
>> Hi Bob. 
>>
>> I'll put in a strong vote for Kindred Cycles on Penn Avenue in the Strip 
>> District. Despite the concentration of students and universities there are 
>> not the tier of bike shops near campus you'd expect.One 
>>  was Iron City Bikes on S. Bouquet but have 
>> consolidated into their Butler St. location. Catherine and Aaron are top 
>> class. Catherine build my Coast rando last year and handled all the custom 
>> built frame issues with aplomb. They stock RH tires, fenders, generator 
>> hubs, lights, etc. The things that many shops stare back blankly at you 
>> when you asked. Looking a little cluttered as they cope with both demand 
>> and product availability. 
>>
>> A plethora of cool places to ride and see the city are around here. Where 
>> have you explored on you bike so far? One feature of Team Decaf rides is 
>> the they are all urban and explore interesting features and make use of 
>> the infrastructure you noted. I'm lucky to have both the. coffee. shop and 
>> the ride around the corner from me in my neighborhood but as you are 
>> probably discovering, they are all fairly proximate and accessible by 
>> bike. The kind of town where you see your favorite bike mechanic while you 
>> are both walking your dogs. 
>>
>> Spring has sprung and I'm getting around on my bike again after shoulder 
>> surgery in December. I have puttered around for a few weeks and my legs are 
>> coming back, I'm trying not to outrun my upper body conditioning. Back to 
>> work tomorrow, hope to get a chance to ride (appropriately distantly) 
>> with you while you're in. town.
>>
>> Andy Cheatham
>> Pittsburgh
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, April 12, 2021 at 3:19:48 PM UTC-4 robert@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks! I'm visiting Pittsburgh for a few weeks and I've been enjoying 
>>> biking around town on my 62cm Appaloosa. The bike infrastructure here is 
>>> world class. If anybody else is interested in the group ride Andy mentioned 
>>> above, they're called Team Decaf and you can find them at 
>>> https://teamdecaf.tumblr.com — looks like group rides this year start June 
>>> 1.
>>>
>>> Anyone have a recommendation for a local bike shop?
>>>
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> On Monday, 22 March 2021 at 07:21:10 UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>>>
 Josh,

 A riding group in Pittsburgh, although yet to declare a start to the 
 usual Tuesday rides beginning in April. They've met at the coffee shop 
 on N. Highland Ave. in Highland Park. All sorts and levels of riders. 
 Neither a lycra drop ride, nor a tweed, sandal and sock ride either. All 
 of 
 the above. The group's been around so long that it's not absurd to be 
 called out by bystanders far from the start point as we ride through 
 neighborhoods.

 Links to maps of many of the routes in and around town there, length 
 varies based on available light from April to end of September. I've 
 enjoyed participating in the rides since moving here in 2000 and have been 
 on all of the mapped routes.
  
 team-...@googlegroups.com 

 Andy Cheatham
 Pittsburgh 

 On Tuesday, March 16, 2021 at 2:38:54 PM UTC-4 joshuamarx wrote:

> Thanks for the welcomes!
> Roberta: bite-sized GAP rides sound like a good idea. My wife and I 
> are thinking of doing a one-night ride on the GAP this summer. I had 
> assumed we would just leave from town and try to make it to Ohiopyle, but 

[RBW] Re: My recent "CO-GAP" 7-day trip

[ascpgh]

Pat, all I can add since I've not self-supported the GAP-CO trip is that 
some services may be less extensive after October. For the GAP portion, 
October is a highlight for foliage, decreased bugs and the best chance of 
the year's months for a dry ride. A bigger concern on the C, even days 
following rain. Mud is a thing on the C The western section can be 
avoided (on the other side of the canal) on the Western Maryland Rail Trail 
 which is 26 miles of 
pavement.  It is a different organization with a smaller scope of mileage 
to maintain but has a higher expectation of the trail surface. You'll 
appreciate it if raining as you close in on Cumberland.

The fine limestone bed of the GAP is consistent and does make a slurry in 
downpours, I've ridden to Ohiopyle with half being an utter downpour, the 
latter tapered off and was wet. With an adequate flap on my Rambouillet's 
fender my drivetrain feet and BB were spotless other than incidental spray 
from the front fender exit. I would recommend fenders for rides on this 
route if just to keep the flung dust from the front wheel from the constant 
contamination of your drivetrain. More so when wet. Many services have a 
hose with which you can do a field expedient drivetrain ungunking. A water 
bottle with nozzle can suffice if it's bad. Choose and have chain lube you 
are familiar with using. What goes for weeks at home might not hold through 
lunch on the trail. 

The use the GAP trail gets is undoubtable now and you should be OK. 
Merchants aren't in business to miss sales and there are lots of riders 
after the end of September. The Facebook page is very active. I submitted a 
large tree down across the trail between Duquesne and McKeesport (20 mile 
mark for me) on an out and back century. It was cut and removed by the time 
I passed it again, 60 miles of riding later. 

Services were more effected by the pandemic than usual seasons. I rode more 
on the GAP last year to get isolated, it's part of the attraction for me 
but it kept away many of the through or long distance riders. On nice days 
and weekends you will be able to gauge your proximity to access points and 
services by the "local" users. They will walk their dogs, run and leisurely 
pedal cruisers several miles from the parking areas and become your signal 
that town is near. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh


On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 8:01:09 PM UTC-4 Bikie#4646 wrote:

> Pat, I would say most of the trail towns' resupply points are open all 
> year, but not all. The campsites on the C are open year-round. Camping on 
> the GAP is trickier during winter, but I would say likely open until late 
> November - a guess. A better source of first-hand information can be had 
> from the various FB groups for both trails. Not uncommon for the GAP to 
> have snow as a trail surface mid-winter. (Can you say, cross country 
> skiing?) See my answer to Rich about additional winter closures.
> By the way, as to extra layers, the C can be quite warm and chilly in 
> the same trip. Though carrying extra clothes and gear can be a hassle, 
> better safe than sorry. I find wool layers will pretty much cover all 
> scenarios and needs little in the way of washing mid-trip. Also, wool can 
> make all the difference in the rain! 
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va
>
> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 10:04:11 AM UTC-4 pbsm...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Nice pics Paul thanks for sharing. A friend and I are doing the DC to 
>> Pitt direction later this year. I've only ever done overnight bike camping 
>> trips and he's never even done that. Hoping to do it in 50 days. We live in 
>> DC.
>>
>> Originally had this planned for end of August, but life got in the way so 
>> now we are shooting for mid October. Gonna need some extra layers for sure. 
>> Do you know when everything starts to shut down for the season?
>>
>> Pat in DC
>>
>> On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 6:41:07 AM UTC-4 ascpgh wrote:
>>
>>> I  really enjoy seeing all the variations of folks' trips and iterations 
>>> of outfitting on this route. I'm fortunate to be a twenty minute bike ride 
>>> from the Pittsburgh end and frequent the GAP portions and points along that 
>>> way that are fun detours and sightseeing.
>>>
>>>  I started riding on the GAP with my Rambouillet which doesn't have a 
>>> load capacity for self supported travel but as a result I've refined my 
>>> options for refreshments, meals and accommodations. My favorites are two 
>>> day rides from home, either out to Ohiopyle for the night and back or to 
>>> Cumberland with a overnighting in Ohiopyle and Amtrak home from Cumberland 
>>> at 7pm. It is the use I patterned my custom bike to support. 
>>>
>>> Last year I rode several centuries out and back on the GAP to take 
>>> advantage of the crowd thinning weather, my familiar trailside resources 
>>> and the relatively level grades. 
>>>
>>> Andy Cheatham
>>> Pittsburgh
>>> On Sunday, May 23, 2021 at 12:12:57 PM 

Re: [RBW] big Atlantis-like bike

[Matthew P]

I like the double top tubes, even on not-super-large bikes that may or may 
not need them, like Jason's Bombadil (love it).
I also like the Hunq diagatube, even if it would require 2 frame bags 
instead of 1 (but could be a good thing - separate the water bladder(s) 
from the rest).
-Matthew
San Diego / Kumeyaay land

On Monday, May 24, 2021 at 2:39:40 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> That was Eric Floden. I just voiced my appreciation.
>
> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 8:16 AM Donald Jewell  wrote:
>
>> Hi Patrick,
>> Thanks for finding my pinkbike listing for my 64cm Renovelo Atlantis and 
>> posting it here. I've had Rivendells since 2006 but just stumbled upon this 
>> Riv owners group. Over the years I've built an AHH, both orange and green 
>> Quickbeams, an Yves Gomez and this Atlantis for myself. I also built a 
>> Betty Foy for my daughter, a AHH and a Cheviot for one girlfriend and a 
>> Clem for another.
>>
>> I hear you on the double top tube look of the big Rivs. They're 
>> definitely not as elegant as a single top tube but I wonder what the buyers 
>> of big single tube bikes that came apart would say about that issue. Oh and 
>> thanks for the tip on the gen hub wiring. 
>> Don Jewell
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 16, 2021 at 5:01:31 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I can't say that I like double top tubes even on big frames, but this is 
>>> still a very pretty bike -- tho' the owner could spiff up the dynamo wiring 
>>> along the fork leg.
>>>
>>> Patrick "60 X 56 c-c, single top tube" Moore
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 3:51 PM Eric Floden  wrote:
>>>
 No connection with seller in Boise

 https://www.pinkbike.com/buysell/3054321/

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