Re: [RBW] Re: Looking for Rim Advice

[Peter Adler]

I bought a few of the excellent VAR tools recently from Chuck Davis 
, from the iBOB/CR groups. He has a stash left 
over from his now-closed shop in Oklahoma; he may still have 
garage-cluttering inventory he'd like to move out.

Peter "the Kool-Stop tire jacks and Crank Brothers Speedier tool work 
pretty good too, but the VAR is lighter" Adler
who just flatted his pack mule an hour ago, and so will have to test tools 
again in
Berkeley, CA/USA 

On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 5:13:11 PM UTC-8 lug...@gmail.com wrote:

> the answer is:
>
> the VAR tire tool.
>
> hard/impossible to find in North America.
>
> so i ordered a dozen here 
>
> https://tinyurl.com/yckr6ksm
>
> great stocking stuffers or giveaways
>
> peter stock
> toronto canada
>
> On Sun., Dec. 5, 2021, 8:06 p.m. Ben Adrian,  wrote:
>
>> I'm a pretty handy home mechanic and have never had tire mounting 
>> problems until now.
>> I've had fine luck with Bontrager, Reynolds, DT 411, DT Spline, WTB, 
>> Pacenti, HED, etc.
>>
>> This DT 1.1 rim seems to have almost no center channel it's pretty much 
>> straight across. I've never seen anything like it. General internet chatter 
>> seems to mention the difficulty of mounting tires on these 1.1 rims. The 
>> Open Pro is difficult, but doable. The DT seems to have problems with any 
>> tires that are made to tubeless compatible specs.
>>
>> My main concern is just being stranded. When I got the bike it took two 
>> tire levers and a screwdriver to remove the Schwalbe tires that came on it. 
>> I know that was bad form, but I had no other options at the moment. If I 
>> got a front flat even with the tires I have on the rims now, I still don't 
>> think I'd be able to fix it on the road. To further the story, I then put 
>> those Schwalbe tires right on my Pacenti Forza rims by hand and with zero 
>> problems.
>>
>> My only other thought is to check overall tension of the wheel. I've 
>> radially trued many wheels. Maybe it just needs to be pulled in all 
>> around... which also seems like a bad idea.
>>
>> Anyway, that's my story.
>> Thanks everyone.
>> Ben
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 5:51:41 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I have changed to using Veloplugs on all of my wheels (tubeless would be 
>>> an insane maintenance nightmare on 20+ bicycles). I put them on all of my 
>>> new wheels and change to them on old wheels whenever I remove a tire for 
>>> some reason. They are lighter than cloth rim tape, easier to install and 
>>> reusable. They seem to be slicker than rim tape so it is easier to center 
>>> the tire on the low center of the rim which makes the tire easier to 
>>> mount/dismount. 
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> Delray Beach FL
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 8:16:21 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>
 Ben, not so fast with ditching what you have ! Tire mounting difficulty 
 can be as much the tire as the rim though but often it seems to come down 
 to technique and/or thinn-er rim tape. After years of using Velox, I 
 changed to nylon strapping tape, it's the kind that cords of nylon in it 
 and comes in a variety of widths. Super strong, one single layer with a 
 slight overlap where I began. Also, make sure the opposite bead is in the 
 middle groove when doing either side as the middle has a smaller ERD than 
 the bead shelf.  

 Here's some videos that show it. 
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvvXrlAUUfU  From Global cycling 
 Network,
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPWBbDR3oag  From a wheelbuilder @ 
 Velcoity\ 

 On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 1:39:16 PM UTC-5 bunny...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hey all!
>
> I recently picked up a Rambouillet. I'm really liking it except for 
> the rims. It has an Open Pro and a DT RR 1.1. The DT especially is VERY 
> difficult to mount and unmount tires. Mainly, though, I'd just like to 
> run 
> 35mm tires.
>
> I really like the hubs, and I've built wheels before. I'm looking for 
> rims that I can easily swap out. Not switching spokes is a plus. Right 
> now 
> it seems like Velocity A23 and Mavic A316 both have the same ERD, so I 
> should be able to just swap them on. Any reviews, pros/cons of these 
> rims. 
> Also, is there anything else I should check out?
>
> Cheers!
> Ben
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Jared Wilson]

Both bike will do what you're looking for, and you wont come near the 
limitations of either.

I had a Susie and my fiancee has a Platy, both bikes handle the type of 
riding you describe with ease.

The Susie is more confidence inspiring off road and demands a larger tire 
to take full advantage of its potential.

The Platy has a more sophisticated look and handles on road riding in a way 
that leaves you wanting for nothing.

I didn't love the way a large load felt on the front of the Susie, where as 
the Plat handles similar loads with ease.

All said I'll be getting another Susie this round, one size up from my 
previous size L.

I'll also be keeping a close eye on the next bath of Platy's as well, I 
feel there is enough difference between the two to justify owning both, tho 
I'm trying to keep it down to just one bike at a time.

Best of luck with whatever you choose

Jared in SLO





On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:57:40 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you Joe. My hunch is that you are right. All Rivendell bikes are 
> multi-functional with the right components. I pulled the 2.2 tire size out 
> of my head so that it would become a non-factor when making the comparison. 
> I thought it was the largest Platypus could handle without fenders. Still 
> curious to hear about ride quality from real world experience. Anyone 
> riding a Susie for an afternoon over pavement? Or picking their Platypus 
> for off-road trails?
>
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 10:38:02 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Hi Laura, welcome!
>>
>> Tire size may be the decider for you since you mentioned 2.2. The max 
>> listed for Platy is 50mm, which works out to about 1.95 inches. The Susie 
>> goes to 2.8 so is definitely the way to go if you wants lots of air between 
>> trail and rim. 
>>
>> As for the question of which is a better all-rounder, the answer is both! 
>> Just about every Riv ever made - and certainly most of the current models - 
>> will happily do all the riding you've described, so I think you'll need to 
>> weigh other factors: tire size, color, lugs or fillet joints, higher 
>> toptube or lower (I'm into lower), and availability. Heck, you can choose 
>> based on the name you like best! 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:21:57 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you for the Platy feedback… Do I want to wait 6 to 9 months more 
>>> for a bike? No! But, I will be building up a frame and parts are 
>>> back-ordered as well, so buying a frame now will still involve waiting to 
>>> get all of the components. Although, I am trying to make my mind up fast 
>>> incase I decide on a Susie.
>>>
>>> I love the build of both bikes. I am not sure I want a tig welded 
>>> version. Nothing wrong with tig welded bikes, but I already have one in the 
>>> vintage MTB category.
>>>
>>> My theoretical question is: if components and tires are the same,  how 
>>> do the two bikes ride on pavement and easy trails? Is one of the bikes a 
>>> better all-rounder???
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 9:07:15 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
  Am I making this up, or is there going to be a Platypus style frame 
 that will be tig welded and a little stouter tubing coming as well? Would 
 that possibly be something that would fit the bill for Laura? 

 Ben, who could be imagining things, in Omaha

 Sent from my iPad

 On Dec 5, 2021, at 8:01 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

 Hi Laura! 

 I have a Platypus and am a big fan of it. I have not ridden a Susie, 
 but I do have a Clem (which is in the same Hillibike category as Susie). I 
 won’t speak to trail riding because I don’t do a lot of it, and my bikes 
 are set up differently. But I see Blue Lug videos showing guys riding 
 Platys all over the darn countryside, so it’s probably doable. 

 My point would be this: How soon are you looking to get a bike? Because 
 there is a shipment of incoming Susies heading to Rivendell soon, like 
 this 
 month, but there will be no Platypuses until middle to late 2022. 
 (Rivendell says May 2022, but their bikes always seem a couple/few months 
 delayed. Last year they said Platys would come October, then November, and 
 so on and so forth. They actually came in April or May of the next year.)

 So, if you want a bike soon, get a Susie. If you want to wait, Platys 
 will arrive later in 2022.
 L

 On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 5:08:15 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hello, I am new to this group and still trying to decide which 
> Rivendell bike will be my first. I am torn between the Platypus and a 
> Susie 
> Longbolts. I hope that there are people here that have ridden both, or 
> have 
> turned one of them into their all-around, multi-terrain bike. Ideally, I 
> would LOVE to have both, but 

Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Laura B]

Thank you Joe. My hunch is that you are right. All Rivendell bikes are 
multi-functional with the right components. I pulled the 2.2 tire size out 
of my head so that it would become a non-factor when making the comparison. 
I thought it was the largest Platypus could handle without fenders. Still 
curious to hear about ride quality from real world experience. Anyone 
riding a Susie for an afternoon over pavement? Or picking their Platypus 
for off-road trails?

On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 10:38:02 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Hi Laura, welcome!
>
> Tire size may be the decider for you since you mentioned 2.2. The max 
> listed for Platy is 50mm, which works out to about 1.95 inches. The Susie 
> goes to 2.8 so is definitely the way to go if you wants lots of air between 
> trail and rim. 
>
> As for the question of which is a better all-rounder, the answer is both! 
> Just about every Riv ever made - and certainly most of the current models - 
> will happily do all the riding you've described, so I think you'll need to 
> weigh other factors: tire size, color, lugs or fillet joints, higher 
> toptube or lower (I'm into lower), and availability. Heck, you can choose 
> based on the name you like best! 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:21:57 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you for the Platy feedback… Do I want to wait 6 to 9 months more 
>> for a bike? No! But, I will be building up a frame and parts are 
>> back-ordered as well, so buying a frame now will still involve waiting to 
>> get all of the components. Although, I am trying to make my mind up fast 
>> incase I decide on a Susie.
>>
>> I love the build of both bikes. I am not sure I want a tig welded 
>> version. Nothing wrong with tig welded bikes, but I already have one in the 
>> vintage MTB category.
>>
>> My theoretical question is: if components and tires are the same,  how do 
>> the two bikes ride on pavement and easy trails? Is one of the bikes a 
>> better all-rounder???
>>
>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 9:07:15 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>  Am I making this up, or is there going to be a Platypus style frame 
>>> that will be tig welded and a little stouter tubing coming as well? Would 
>>> that possibly be something that would fit the bill for Laura? 
>>>
>>> Ben, who could be imagining things, in Omaha
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On Dec 5, 2021, at 8:01 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Laura! 
>>>
>>> I have a Platypus and am a big fan of it. I have not ridden a Susie, but 
>>> I do have a Clem (which is in the same Hillibike category as Susie). I 
>>> won’t speak to trail riding because I don’t do a lot of it, and my bikes 
>>> are set up differently. But I see Blue Lug videos showing guys riding 
>>> Platys all over the darn countryside, so it’s probably doable. 
>>>
>>> My point would be this: How soon are you looking to get a bike? Because 
>>> there is a shipment of incoming Susies heading to Rivendell soon, like this 
>>> month, but there will be no Platypuses until middle to late 2022. 
>>> (Rivendell says May 2022, but their bikes always seem a couple/few months 
>>> delayed. Last year they said Platys would come October, then November, and 
>>> so on and so forth. They actually came in April or May of the next year.)
>>>
>>> So, if you want a bike soon, get a Susie. If you want to wait, Platys 
>>> will arrive later in 2022.
>>> L
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 5:08:15 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hello, I am new to this group and still trying to decide which 
 Rivendell bike will be my first. I am torn between the Platypus and a 
 Susie 
 Longbolts. I hope that there are people here that have ridden both, or 
 have 
 turned one of them into their all-around, multi-terrain bike. Ideally, I 
 would LOVE to have both, but that will take a few years to achieve!

 As a note, all-terrain is pavement, gravel, fire roads, hard-packed 
 sand. Not aggressive single track or severe off-road.

 Rivendell promotes the Platypus mainly for pavement and the Susie for 
 trails. In theory, if both were equipped with the same 2.2” all-terrain 
 tire, which one would make the best multi-use bike? Would the differences 
 be minor or is the geometry on one better able to adapt?

 Should I limit my expectations to what the bikes were designed for?

 Thanks for your help,
 Laura

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Joe Bernard]

Hi Laura, welcome!

Tire size may be the decider for you since you mentioned 2.2. The max 
listed for Platy is 50mm, which works out to about 1.95 inches. The Susie 
goes to 2.8 so is definitely the way to go if you wants lots of air between 
trail and rim. 

As for the question of which is a better all-rounder, the answer is both! 
Just about every Riv ever made - and certainly most of the current models - 
will happily do all the riding you've described, so I think you'll need to 
weigh other factors: tire size, color, lugs or fillet joints, higher 
toptube or lower (I'm into lower), and availability. Heck, you can choose 
based on the name you like best! 

Joe Bernard

On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:21:57 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you for the Platy feedback… Do I want to wait 6 to 9 months more for 
> a bike? No! But, I will be building up a frame and parts are back-ordered 
> as well, so buying a frame now will still involve waiting to get all of the 
> components. Although, I am trying to make my mind up fast incase I decide 
> on a Susie.
>
> I love the build of both bikes. I am not sure I want a tig welded version. 
> Nothing wrong with tig welded bikes, but I already have one in the vintage 
> MTB category.
>
> My theoretical question is: if components and tires are the same,  how do 
> the two bikes ride on pavement and easy trails? Is one of the bikes a 
> better all-rounder???
>
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 9:07:15 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>  Am I making this up, or is there going to be a Platypus style frame that 
>> will be tig welded and a little stouter tubing coming as well? Would that 
>> possibly be something that would fit the bill for Laura? 
>>
>> Ben, who could be imagining things, in Omaha
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Dec 5, 2021, at 8:01 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Laura! 
>>
>> I have a Platypus and am a big fan of it. I have not ridden a Susie, but 
>> I do have a Clem (which is in the same Hillibike category as Susie). I 
>> won’t speak to trail riding because I don’t do a lot of it, and my bikes 
>> are set up differently. But I see Blue Lug videos showing guys riding 
>> Platys all over the darn countryside, so it’s probably doable. 
>>
>> My point would be this: How soon are you looking to get a bike? Because 
>> there is a shipment of incoming Susies heading to Rivendell soon, like this 
>> month, but there will be no Platypuses until middle to late 2022. 
>> (Rivendell says May 2022, but their bikes always seem a couple/few months 
>> delayed. Last year they said Platys would come October, then November, and 
>> so on and so forth. They actually came in April or May of the next year.)
>>
>> So, if you want a bike soon, get a Susie. If you want to wait, Platys 
>> will arrive later in 2022.
>> L
>>
>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 5:08:15 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hello, I am new to this group and still trying to decide which Rivendell 
>>> bike will be my first. I am torn between the Platypus and a Susie 
>>> Longbolts. I hope that there are people here that have ridden both, or have 
>>> turned one of them into their all-around, multi-terrain bike. Ideally, I 
>>> would LOVE to have both, but that will take a few years to achieve!
>>>
>>> As a note, all-terrain is pavement, gravel, fire roads, hard-packed 
>>> sand. Not aggressive single track or severe off-road.
>>>
>>> Rivendell promotes the Platypus mainly for pavement and the Susie for 
>>> trails. In theory, if both were equipped with the same 2.2” all-terrain 
>>> tire, which one would make the best multi-use bike? Would the differences 
>>> be minor or is the geometry on one better able to adapt?
>>>
>>> Should I limit my expectations to what the bikes were designed for?
>>>
>>> Thanks for your help,
>>> Laura
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Incoming

['Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch]

David, thank you.

I’ve been doing some Pilates for lower back via YouTube.  I can send you a 
link if you like, it is way better than the excercises I have done before.  
On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:41:15 PM UTC-5 cycli...@gmail.com wrote:

> Joel, thanks for adding a picture of your Hillborne.  Very nice.  Our 
> conditions sound quite similar.  Severe sciatica due to an unstable L5 is 
> what caused me to have surgery (as a last resort).  I'm finding I have to 
> do lower back, hip flexor and hamstring stretches religiously in order to 
> keep the back from complaining.
>
> David
>
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 6:06:26 AM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks Roberta, I do think you are correct.  I’ve been hoping to find one 
>> of these since I have been able to ride again.  
>>
>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:36:48 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> Congratulations. It sound like your quest for the perfect bike for you 
>>> is over. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, December 4, 2021 at 3:35:23 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>>
 About 15 years ago I bought a new Saluki, very pale green.  The bike 
 was a 56cm, same as my custom but was too big.  I sold it barely used and 
 when the Bleriot was available got a 55CM.  It seemed fine but after a 10 
 year layoff due to back surgery and fear of riding and injuring my back 
 further Covid got me back out.  Since the back surgery I lost about 1 1/2 
 to 2 inches of height but that should not have affected standover.  Well 
 the Bleriot is slightly large, I have relative little if any clearance, I 
 probably was oblivious to this when I was riding it way back when, I 
 simply 
 knew it was comfortable to ride and loved it.   So a 14 year old bike 
 was ridden for about 4 years prior to a car accident and now another 2 
 seasons (with lesser miles per season due to age and physical changes).  
 It 
 was never my only bike so it had to share the miles I rode each season. 

 I was lucky and last week bought Johnny’s 54CM Saluki which should 
 arrive on Tuesday.  I will take the parts from the Bleriot which were 
 originally on my 56cm Saluki and put the on the pewter 54cm Saluki which 
 was originally owned by Ed Braley.  Needless to say the Bleriot frame, 
 plus 
 a headset and BB that did not come with the frame will be available.  I 
 will also have Tektro side pull brakes since the incoming uses cantis.  A 
 low mileage frame for sure.  I will post when it is ready to ship, take 
 pictures, etc.  I would say the condition is excellent for a 14 year old 
 bike with a few scratches.  More to follow.

 Thanks to Jonathan for his patience while I got the money to him.  

 JS

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Laura B]

Thank you for the Platy feedback… Do I want to wait 6 to 9 months more for 
a bike? No! But, I will be building up a frame and parts are back-ordered 
as well, so buying a frame now will still involve waiting to get all of the 
components. Although, I am trying to make my mind up fast incase I decide 
on a Susie.

I love the build of both bikes. I am not sure I want a tig welded version. 
Nothing wrong with tig welded bikes, but I already have one in the vintage 
MTB category.

My theoretical question is: if components and tires are the same,  how do 
the two bikes ride on pavement and easy trails? Is one of the bikes a 
better all-rounder???

On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 9:07:15 PM UTC-5 bjmi...@gmail.com wrote:

>  Am I making this up, or is there going to be a Platypus style frame that 
> will be tig welded and a little stouter tubing coming as well? Would that 
> possibly be something that would fit the bill for Laura? 
>
> Ben, who could be imagining things, in Omaha
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Dec 5, 2021, at 8:01 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> Hi Laura! 
>
> I have a Platypus and am a big fan of it. I have not ridden a Susie, but I 
> do have a Clem (which is in the same Hillibike category as Susie). I won’t 
> speak to trail riding because I don’t do a lot of it, and my bikes are set 
> up differently. But I see Blue Lug videos showing guys riding Platys all 
> over the darn countryside, so it’s probably doable. 
>
> My point would be this: How soon are you looking to get a bike? Because 
> there is a shipment of incoming Susies heading to Rivendell soon, like this 
> month, but there will be no Platypuses until middle to late 2022. 
> (Rivendell says May 2022, but their bikes always seem a couple/few months 
> delayed. Last year they said Platys would come October, then November, and 
> so on and so forth. They actually came in April or May of the next year.)
>
> So, if you want a bike soon, get a Susie. If you want to wait, Platys will 
> arrive later in 2022.
> L
>
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 5:08:15 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello, I am new to this group and still trying to decide which Rivendell 
>> bike will be my first. I am torn between the Platypus and a Susie 
>> Longbolts. I hope that there are people here that have ridden both, or have 
>> turned one of them into their all-around, multi-terrain bike. Ideally, I 
>> would LOVE to have both, but that will take a few years to achieve!
>>
>> As a note, all-terrain is pavement, gravel, fire roads, hard-packed sand. 
>> Not aggressive single track or severe off-road.
>>
>> Rivendell promotes the Platypus mainly for pavement and the Susie for 
>> trails. In theory, if both were equipped with the same 2.2” all-terrain 
>> tire, which one would make the best multi-use bike? Would the differences 
>> be minor or is the geometry on one better able to adapt?
>>
>> Should I limit my expectations to what the bikes were designed for?
>>
>> Thanks for your help,
>> Laura
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Ben Mihovk]

 Am I making this up, or is there going to be a Platypus style frame that will 
be tig welded and a little stouter tubing coming as well? Would that possibly 
be something that would fit the bill for Laura? 

Ben, who could be imagining things, in Omaha

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> On Dec 5, 2021, at 8:01 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Laura! 
> I have a Platypus and am a big fan of it. I have not ridden a Susie, but I do 
> have a Clem (which is in the same Hillibike category as Susie). I won’t speak 
> to trail riding because I don’t do a lot of it, and my bikes are set up 
> differently. But I see Blue Lug videos showing guys riding Platys all over 
> the darn countryside, so it’s probably doable. 
> 
> My point would be this: How soon are you looking to get a bike? Because there 
> is a shipment of incoming Susies heading to Rivendell soon, like this month, 
> but there will be no Platypuses until middle to late 2022. (Rivendell says 
> May 2022, but their bikes always seem a couple/few months delayed. Last year 
> they said Platys would come October, then November, and so on and so forth. 
> They actually came in April or May of the next year.)
> 
> So, if you want a bike soon, get a Susie. If you want to wait, Platys will 
> arrive later in 2022.
> L
> 
>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 5:08:15 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Hello, I am new to this group and still trying to decide which Rivendell 
>> bike will be my first. I am torn between the Platypus and a Susie Longbolts. 
>> I hope that there are people here that have ridden both, or have turned one 
>> of them into their all-around, multi-terrain bike. Ideally, I would LOVE to 
>> have both, but that will take a few years to achieve!
>> 
>> As a note, all-terrain is pavement, gravel, fire roads, hard-packed sand. 
>> Not aggressive single track or severe off-road.
>> 
>> Rivendell promotes the Platypus mainly for pavement and the Susie for 
>> trails. In theory, if both were equipped with the same 2.2” all-terrain 
>> tire, which one would make the best multi-use bike? Would the differences be 
>> minor or is the geometry on one better able to adapt?
>> 
>> Should I limit my expectations to what the bikes were designed for?
>> 
>> Thanks for your help,
>> Laura
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[RBW] Re: Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Hi Laura! 
I have a Platypus and am a big fan of it. I have not ridden a Susie, but I 
do have a Clem (which is in the same Hillibike category as Susie). I won’t 
speak to trail riding because I don’t do a lot of it, and my bikes are set 
up differently. But I see Blue Lug videos showing guys riding Platys all 
over the darn countryside, so it’s probably doable. 

My point would be this: How soon are you looking to get a bike? Because 
there is a shipment of incoming Susies heading to Rivendell soon, like this 
month, but there will be no Platypuses until middle to late 2022. 
(Rivendell says May 2022, but their bikes always seem a couple/few months 
delayed. Last year they said Platys would come October, then November, and 
so on and so forth. They actually came in April or May of the next year.)

So, if you want a bike soon, get a Susie. If you want to wait, Platys will 
arrive later in 2022.
L

On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 5:08:15 PM UTC-8 me2g...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello, I am new to this group and still trying to decide which Rivendell 
> bike will be my first. I am torn between the Platypus and a Susie 
> Longbolts. I hope that there are people here that have ridden both, or have 
> turned one of them into their all-around, multi-terrain bike. Ideally, I 
> would LOVE to have both, but that will take a few years to achieve!
>
> As a note, all-terrain is pavement, gravel, fire roads, hard-packed sand. 
> Not aggressive single track or severe off-road.
>
> Rivendell promotes the Platypus mainly for pavement and the Susie for 
> trails. In theory, if both were equipped with the same 2.2” all-terrain 
> tire, which one would make the best multi-use bike? Would the differences 
> be minor or is the geometry on one better able to adapt?
>
> Should I limit my expectations to what the bikes were designed for?
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Laura
>

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[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie, am I crazy?

[a spen]

Having owned all of the bikes you've mentioned here (Gus, Susie, Jones LWB 
complete) I will share that there is no comparison between the Jones 
complete vs. the Rivs, IMHO.  The Jones complete felt like a sled out of 
the box and like you, it was not long in my stable (unlike the Jones LWB 
frame I built up which felt much lighter and livelier, though ultimately 
not a keeper) 
Given the riding you describe I would comfortably encourage you to consider 
one of the Rivs you mentioned here.
Al's 2-penny's worth


On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 8:09:25 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> If you found your *enjoyable Jones too heavy to be enjoyabl*e  you'll 
> likely find the same with a Gus/Susie. Or just give up the ghost of 
> weighing and comparing bikes and just ride and enjoy them for what they 
> are.. a means for The Ride !   
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:40:43 AM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote:
>
>> I’ve been riding my Gus for a year now. It’s taken some time to warm up 
>> to it, but having  ridden through the fall and now into winter I am loving 
>> it. It definitely feels heavy, but when I want a ride without windchill, a 
>> bike that can plow through water, mud, over roots, basically thru anything 
>> Maine offers, it is my go to bike. A peppy ride? Not how I would describe 
>> it. Strong and stable? Yes! Fun? Absolutely! Just yesterday I rode across 
>> deep frozen mud and felt confident, The bike hardly shifted. (I also ride 
>> 2.6 tires). Hope this helps in your decision.  ~Bill
>>
>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:22:49 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> If you speak with anyone at Riv, I believe he will tell you what he 
>>> really believes is best, not a “sales” job. 
>>>
>>> I’ve called about a red Roscoe Bubbe to have a Joe Appaloosa (purchased 
>>> from a dealer instead of direct; they would have made more money with a 
>>> full Rosco build) suggested instead.  I’ve called about a Cheviot to be 
>>> told I should wait a few years until their newer model (which became the 
>>> Platypus) comes out. I’ve been extremely happy heeding their advice. 
>>>
>>> Good luck with your first Riv
>>>
>>> Roberta 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 1:48:43 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hello all! Long time Riv admirer. But, I always hesitate long enough to 
 miss out on buying one. 

 I ride a Chumba Ursa mountain bike. It tows my daughter, grocery runs, 
 any trail ever. I ride the bike mellow in my opinion, but I’ve been told 
 maybe I’m more aggressive than I feel. Jumps are common when a water bar 
 is 
 good, even fully loaded. But they are always a smooth landing. I ride a 
 29x2.6 and find it great for most terrain. Snow is rare but not something 
 I 
 don’t ride in. I had an LWB Jones complete and very much enjoyed the bike. 
 But, 37lbs without saddle or pedals was my first time feeling like a bike 
 is too heavy to be fun. And it was the shortest lived bike I’ve ever had. 
 I’ve never felt that disc brakes were an upgrade really. For reference, I 
 am 6’1” 170lbs. 90 PBH puts me between sizes on the upper end so that is 
 always nice to hear what others prefer!

 Anyhow, am I a Riv candidate? With the Gus And Susie pre sale starting 
 soon I wanted to ask the group opinion. I will call them and I’m sure they 
 can sell me that I am. But that’s their job. 

 Thanks to anyone who has some insight, I appreciate it in advance!



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Re: [RBW] Re: Looking for Rim Advice

[Peter Stock]

the answer is:

the VAR tire tool.

hard/impossible to find in North America.

so i ordered a dozen here

https://tinyurl.com/yckr6ksm

great stocking stuffers or giveaways

peter stock
toronto canada

On Sun., Dec. 5, 2021, 8:06 p.m. Ben Adrian,  wrote:

> I'm a pretty handy home mechanic and have never had tire mounting problems
> until now.
> I've had fine luck with Bontrager, Reynolds, DT 411, DT Spline, WTB,
> Pacenti, HED, etc.
>
> This DT 1.1 rim seems to have almost no center channel it's pretty much
> straight across. I've never seen anything like it. General internet chatter
> seems to mention the difficulty of mounting tires on these 1.1 rims. The
> Open Pro is difficult, but doable. The DT seems to have problems with any
> tires that are made to tubeless compatible specs.
>
> My main concern is just being stranded. When I got the bike it took two
> tire levers and a screwdriver to remove the Schwalbe tires that came on it.
> I know that was bad form, but I had no other options at the moment. If I
> got a front flat even with the tires I have on the rims now, I still don't
> think I'd be able to fix it on the road. To further the story, I then put
> those Schwalbe tires right on my Pacenti Forza rims by hand and with zero
> problems.
>
> My only other thought is to check overall tension of the wheel. I've
> radially trued many wheels. Maybe it just needs to be pulled in all
> around... which also seems like a bad idea.
>
> Anyway, that's my story.
> Thanks everyone.
> Ben
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 5:51:41 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:
>
>> I have changed to using Veloplugs on all of my wheels (tubeless would be
>> an insane maintenance nightmare on 20+ bicycles). I put them on all of my
>> new wheels and change to them on old wheels whenever I remove a tire for
>> some reason. They are lighter than cloth rim tape, easier to install and
>> reusable. They seem to be slicker than rim tape so it is easier to center
>> the tire on the low center of the rim which makes the tire easier to
>> mount/dismount.
>>
>> Laing
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 8:16:21 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> Ben, not so fast with ditching what you have ! Tire mounting difficulty
>>> can be as much the tire as the rim though but often it seems to come down
>>> to technique and/or thinn-er rim tape. After years of using Velox, I
>>> changed to nylon strapping tape, it's the kind that cords of nylon in it
>>> and comes in a variety of widths. Super strong, one single layer with a
>>> slight overlap where I began. Also, make sure the opposite bead is in the
>>> middle groove when doing either side as the middle has a smaller ERD than
>>> the bead shelf.
>>>
>>> Here's some videos that show it.
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvvXrlAUUfU  From Global cycling
>>> Network,
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPWBbDR3oag  From a wheelbuilder @
>>> Velcoity\
>>>
>>> On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 1:39:16 PM UTC-5 bunny...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hey all!

 I recently picked up a Rambouillet. I'm really liking it except for the
 rims. It has an Open Pro and a DT RR 1.1. The DT especially is VERY
 difficult to mount and unmount tires. Mainly, though, I'd just like to run
 35mm tires.

 I really like the hubs, and I've built wheels before. I'm looking for
 rims that I can easily swap out. Not switching spokes is a plus. Right now
 it seems like Velocity A23 and Mavic A316 both have the same ERD, so I
 should be able to just swap them on. Any reviews, pros/cons of these rims.
 Also, is there anything else I should check out?

 Cheers!
 Ben

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[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie, am I crazy?

[Ryan Frahm]

Thank you Bill! Peppy isn’t how I’d describe what I’m on either. The big 
tires do what they do well in the rocks and mud though! Glad to hear from 
someone who has one, they seem so rare still!

On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 4:40:43 AM UTC-8 Bill Fulford wrote:

> I’ve been riding my Gus for a year now. It’s taken some time to warm up to 
> it, but having  ridden through the fall and now into winter I am loving it. 
> It definitely feels heavy, but when I want a ride without windchill, a bike 
> that can plow through water, mud, over roots, basically thru anything Maine 
> offers, it is my go to bike. A peppy ride? Not how I would describe it. 
> Strong and stable? Yes! Fun? Absolutely! Just yesterday I rode across deep 
> frozen mud and felt confident, The bike hardly shifted. (I also ride 2.6 
> tires). Hope this helps in your decision.  ~Bill
>
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:22:49 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> If you speak with anyone at Riv, I believe he will tell you what he 
>> really believes is best, not a “sales” job. 
>>
>> I’ve called about a red Roscoe Bubbe to have a Joe Appaloosa (purchased 
>> from a dealer instead of direct; they would have made more money with a 
>> full Rosco build) suggested instead.  I’ve called about a Cheviot to be 
>> told I should wait a few years until their newer model (which became the 
>> Platypus) comes out. I’ve been extremely happy heeding their advice. 
>>
>> Good luck with your first Riv
>>
>> Roberta 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 1:48:43 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all! Long time Riv admirer. But, I always hesitate long enough to 
>>> miss out on buying one. 
>>>
>>> I ride a Chumba Ursa mountain bike. It tows my daughter, grocery runs, 
>>> any trail ever. I ride the bike mellow in my opinion, but I’ve been told 
>>> maybe I’m more aggressive than I feel. Jumps are common when a water bar is 
>>> good, even fully loaded. But they are always a smooth landing. I ride a 
>>> 29x2.6 and find it great for most terrain. Snow is rare but not something I 
>>> don’t ride in. I had an LWB Jones complete and very much enjoyed the bike. 
>>> But, 37lbs without saddle or pedals was my first time feeling like a bike 
>>> is too heavy to be fun. And it was the shortest lived bike I’ve ever had. 
>>> I’ve never felt that disc brakes were an upgrade really. For reference, I 
>>> am 6’1” 170lbs. 90 PBH puts me between sizes on the upper end so that is 
>>> always nice to hear what others prefer!
>>>
>>> Anyhow, am I a Riv candidate? With the Gus And Susie pre sale starting 
>>> soon I wanted to ask the group opinion. I will call them and I’m sure they 
>>> can sell me that I am. But that’s their job. 
>>>
>>> Thanks to anyone who has some insight, I appreciate it in advance!
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie, am I crazy?

[Ryan Frahm]

Thank you for this! I’ve never called but they have been very helpful on a 
couple email questions I’ve sent. Glad to hear that they really are as 
great as they seem. Definitely another reason I’d like to have one of their 
bikes!

On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 4:22:49 AM UTC-8 Roberta wrote:

> If you speak with anyone at Riv, I believe he will tell you what he really 
> believes is best, not a “sales” job. 
>
> I’ve called about a red Roscoe Bubbe to have a Joe Appaloosa (purchased 
> from a dealer instead of direct; they would have made more money with a 
> full Rosco build) suggested instead.  I’ve called about a Cheviot to be 
> told I should wait a few years until their newer model (which became the 
> Platypus) comes out. I’ve been extremely happy heeding their advice. 
>
> Good luck with your first Riv
>
> Roberta 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 1:48:43 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello all! Long time Riv admirer. But, I always hesitate long enough to 
>> miss out on buying one. 
>>
>> I ride a Chumba Ursa mountain bike. It tows my daughter, grocery runs, 
>> any trail ever. I ride the bike mellow in my opinion, but I’ve been told 
>> maybe I’m more aggressive than I feel. Jumps are common when a water bar is 
>> good, even fully loaded. But they are always a smooth landing. I ride a 
>> 29x2.6 and find it great for most terrain. Snow is rare but not something I 
>> don’t ride in. I had an LWB Jones complete and very much enjoyed the bike. 
>> But, 37lbs without saddle or pedals was my first time feeling like a bike 
>> is too heavy to be fun. And it was the shortest lived bike I’ve ever had. 
>> I’ve never felt that disc brakes were an upgrade really. For reference, I 
>> am 6’1” 170lbs. 90 PBH puts me between sizes on the upper end so that is 
>> always nice to hear what others prefer!
>>
>> Anyhow, am I a Riv candidate? With the Gus And Susie pre sale starting 
>> soon I wanted to ask the group opinion. I will call them and I’m sure they 
>> can sell me that I am. But that’s their job. 
>>
>> Thanks to anyone who has some insight, I appreciate it in advance!
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie, am I crazy?

[Ryan Frahm]

It was partly weight and mostly a poor quality control issue that left a 
bad taste for the jones. The weight mattered when it was more than my rack 
could handle. I have a better rack now. Just enjoying the ride is why I’d 
buy one of these. 

On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 5:09:25 AM UTC-8 Garth wrote:

> If you found your *enjoyable Jones too heavy to be enjoyabl*e  you'll 
> likely find the same with a Gus/Susie. Or just give up the ghost of 
> weighing and comparing bikes and just ride and enjoy them for what they 
> are.. a means for The Ride !   
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:40:43 AM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote:
>
>> I’ve been riding my Gus for a year now. It’s taken some time to warm up 
>> to it, but having  ridden through the fall and now into winter I am loving 
>> it. It definitely feels heavy, but when I want a ride without windchill, a 
>> bike that can plow through water, mud, over roots, basically thru anything 
>> Maine offers, it is my go to bike. A peppy ride? Not how I would describe 
>> it. Strong and stable? Yes! Fun? Absolutely! Just yesterday I rode across 
>> deep frozen mud and felt confident, The bike hardly shifted. (I also ride 
>> 2.6 tires). Hope this helps in your decision.  ~Bill
>>
>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:22:49 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>>
>>> If you speak with anyone at Riv, I believe he will tell you what he 
>>> really believes is best, not a “sales” job. 
>>>
>>> I’ve called about a red Roscoe Bubbe to have a Joe Appaloosa (purchased 
>>> from a dealer instead of direct; they would have made more money with a 
>>> full Rosco build) suggested instead.  I’ve called about a Cheviot to be 
>>> told I should wait a few years until their newer model (which became the 
>>> Platypus) comes out. I’ve been extremely happy heeding their advice. 
>>>
>>> Good luck with your first Riv
>>>
>>> Roberta 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 1:48:43 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Hello all! Long time Riv admirer. But, I always hesitate long enough to 
 miss out on buying one. 

 I ride a Chumba Ursa mountain bike. It tows my daughter, grocery runs, 
 any trail ever. I ride the bike mellow in my opinion, but I’ve been told 
 maybe I’m more aggressive than I feel. Jumps are common when a water bar 
 is 
 good, even fully loaded. But they are always a smooth landing. I ride a 
 29x2.6 and find it great for most terrain. Snow is rare but not something 
 I 
 don’t ride in. I had an LWB Jones complete and very much enjoyed the bike. 
 But, 37lbs without saddle or pedals was my first time feeling like a bike 
 is too heavy to be fun. And it was the shortest lived bike I’ve ever had. 
 I’ve never felt that disc brakes were an upgrade really. For reference, I 
 am 6’1” 170lbs. 90 PBH puts me between sizes on the upper end so that is 
 always nice to hear what others prefer!

 Anyhow, am I a Riv candidate? With the Gus And Susie pre sale starting 
 soon I wanted to ask the group opinion. I will call them and I’m sure they 
 can sell me that I am. But that’s their job. 

 Thanks to anyone who has some insight, I appreciate it in advance!



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[RBW] Susie Longbolts vs Platypus for both pavement & off-road riding?

[Laura B]

Hello, I am new to this group and still trying to decide which Rivendell 
bike will be my first. I am torn between the Platypus and a Susie 
Longbolts. I hope that there are people here that have ridden both, or have 
turned one of them into their all-around, multi-terrain bike. Ideally, I 
would LOVE to have both, but that will take a few years to achieve!

As a note, all-terrain is pavement, gravel, fire roads, hard-packed sand. 
Not aggressive single track or severe off-road.

Rivendell promotes the Platypus mainly for pavement and the Susie for 
trails. In theory, if both were equipped with the same 2.2” all-terrain 
tire, which one would make the best multi-use bike? Would the differences 
be minor or is the geometry on one better able to adapt?

Should I limit my expectations to what the bikes were designed for?

Thanks for your help,
Laura

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[RBW] Re: Looking for Rim Advice

[Ben Adrian]

I'm a pretty handy home mechanic and have never had tire mounting problems 
until now.
I've had fine luck with Bontrager, Reynolds, DT 411, DT Spline, WTB, 
Pacenti, HED, etc.

This DT 1.1 rim seems to have almost no center channel it's pretty much 
straight across. I've never seen anything like it. General internet chatter 
seems to mention the difficulty of mounting tires on these 1.1 rims. The 
Open Pro is difficult, but doable. The DT seems to have problems with any 
tires that are made to tubeless compatible specs.

My main concern is just being stranded. When I got the bike it took two 
tire levers and a screwdriver to remove the Schwalbe tires that came on it. 
I know that was bad form, but I had no other options at the moment. If I 
got a front flat even with the tires I have on the rims now, I still don't 
think I'd be able to fix it on the road. To further the story, I then put 
those Schwalbe tires right on my Pacenti Forza rims by hand and with zero 
problems.

My only other thought is to check overall tension of the wheel. I've 
radially trued many wheels. Maybe it just needs to be pulled in all 
around... which also seems like a bad idea.

Anyway, that's my story.
Thanks everyone.
Ben


On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 5:51:41 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> I have changed to using Veloplugs on all of my wheels (tubeless would be 
> an insane maintenance nightmare on 20+ bicycles). I put them on all of my 
> new wheels and change to them on old wheels whenever I remove a tire for 
> some reason. They are lighter than cloth rim tape, easier to install and 
> reusable. They seem to be slicker than rim tape so it is easier to center 
> the tire on the low center of the rim which makes the tire easier to 
> mount/dismount. 
>
> Laing
> Delray Beach FL
>
> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 8:16:21 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> Ben, not so fast with ditching what you have ! Tire mounting difficulty 
>> can be as much the tire as the rim though but often it seems to come down 
>> to technique and/or thinn-er rim tape. After years of using Velox, I 
>> changed to nylon strapping tape, it's the kind that cords of nylon in it 
>> and comes in a variety of widths. Super strong, one single layer with a 
>> slight overlap where I began. Also, make sure the opposite bead is in the 
>> middle groove when doing either side as the middle has a smaller ERD than 
>> the bead shelf.  
>>
>> Here's some videos that show it. 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvvXrlAUUfU  From Global cycling Network,
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPWBbDR3oag  From a wheelbuilder @ 
>> Velcoity\ 
>>
>> On Monday, November 29, 2021 at 1:39:16 PM UTC-5 bunny...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all!
>>>
>>> I recently picked up a Rambouillet. I'm really liking it except for the 
>>> rims. It has an Open Pro and a DT RR 1.1. The DT especially is VERY 
>>> difficult to mount and unmount tires. Mainly, though, I'd just like to run 
>>> 35mm tires.
>>>
>>> I really like the hubs, and I've built wheels before. I'm looking for 
>>> rims that I can easily swap out. Not switching spokes is a plus. Right now 
>>> it seems like Velocity A23 and Mavic A316 both have the same ERD, so I 
>>> should be able to just swap them on. Any reviews, pros/cons of these rims. 
>>> Also, is there anything else I should check out?
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Ben
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Incoming

[David Person]

Joel, thanks for adding a picture of your Hillborne.  Very nice.  Our 
conditions sound quite similar.  Severe sciatica due to an unstable L5 is 
what caused me to have surgery (as a last resort).  I'm finding I have to 
do lower back, hip flexor and hamstring stretches religiously in order to 
keep the back from complaining.

David

On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 6:06:26 AM UTC-8 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks Roberta, I do think you are correct.  I’ve been hoping to find one 
> of these since I have been able to ride again.  
>
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:36:48 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> Congratulations. It sound like your quest for the perfect bike for you is 
>> over. 
>>
>> On Saturday, December 4, 2021 at 3:35:23 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>>
>>> About 15 years ago I bought a new Saluki, very pale green.  The bike was 
>>> a 56cm, same as my custom but was too big.  I sold it barely used and when 
>>> the Bleriot was available got a 55CM.  It seemed fine but after a 10 year 
>>> layoff due to back surgery and fear of riding and injuring my back further 
>>> Covid got me back out.  Since the back surgery I lost about 1 1/2 to 2 
>>> inches of height but that should not have affected standover.  Well the 
>>> Bleriot is slightly large, I have relative little if any clearance, I 
>>> probably was oblivious to this when I was riding it way back when, I simply 
>>> knew it was comfortable to ride and loved it.   So a 14 year old bike 
>>> was ridden for about 4 years prior to a car accident and now another 2 
>>> seasons (with lesser miles per season due to age and physical changes).  It 
>>> was never my only bike so it had to share the miles I rode each season. 
>>>
>>> I was lucky and last week bought Johnny’s 54CM Saluki which should 
>>> arrive on Tuesday.  I will take the parts from the Bleriot which were 
>>> originally on my 56cm Saluki and put the on the pewter 54cm Saluki which 
>>> was originally owned by Ed Braley.  Needless to say the Bleriot frame, plus 
>>> a headset and BB that did not come with the frame will be available.  I 
>>> will also have Tektro side pull brakes since the incoming uses cantis.  A 
>>> low mileage frame for sure.  I will post when it is ready to ship, take 
>>> pictures, etc.  I would say the condition is excellent for a 14 year old 
>>> bike with a few scratches.  More to follow.
>>>
>>> Thanks to Jonathan for his patience while I got the money to him.  
>>>
>>> JS
>>>
>>

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[RBW] FS/FT Road Runner Jumbo Jammer Bag - Olive

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All--

FS is my lightly used Olive Jumbo Jammer bag in Olive 
. Technical details here 
.  $180 shipped CONUS 
or trade for Fabio's Chest or a large Carradice saddle bag.

Andrew in Denver

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Re: [RBW] FS: Surly 135mm singlespeed rear hub

[Michael Williams]

Got it.  Thank you for the thorough explanation Bill.-Mike

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 5, 2021, at 11:54 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> The Surly Ultra New rear hub has been claimed.  Thanks
> 
> Bill
> 
>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 10:56:06 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>> No, the hub has no built-in chain tensioning.  This Surly rear hub is a 
>> normal rear hub does not have an eccentric axle like a White Industries ENO. 
>>  If you want to run this Surly hub with vertical dropouts, you will need to 
>> run a separate tensioner, unless you luck out and find what is called a 
>> magic gear.  
>> 
>> The Eccentric ENO is a super clever design and worth every penny of its $200 
>> MSRP.  The downsides of an ENO, besides price, include:
>> 
>> 1. proprietary and expensive (and sensational) fixed cog interface
>> 2. it's impossible to run two freewheels, because of the proprietary fixed 
>> interface on one side
>> 3. for different tension setups you need to run the wheel in a different 
>> position, which guarantees you have to change the rear rim-brake setup every 
>> time you "shift".  This is fine if you are running a fixie with no rear 
>> brake.  
>> 4. normal riding forces make the eccentric axle want to rotate, which will 
>> auto-loosen one axle nut if it moves at all.  You have to run things plenty 
>> tight.  The harder your riding, the tighter you have to run things.  
>> 5. No QR option
>> 
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 10:23:15 AM UTC-8 mkernan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Hey Bill Lindsay,   Will this Surly hub achieve the same results as say a 
>>> WI ENO?Is there built in tensioning ability within the hub?   Thanks.   
>>>  -Mike
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Dec 5, 2021, at 9:43 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
 
>>> 
 I'm imagining there are numerous Rivendell owners who may be knocking 
 around a singlespeed concept.  Clems, Susies, Gusses, Platys, all look 
 great with a single gear.  With vertical rear dropouts you'd need to run a 
 tensioner, but that's a straightforward setup.
 
 I have the rear hub you may want for your singlespeed spare rear wheel 
 idea.  It is the contemporary Surly Ultra New rear hub.  It is a flip-flop 
 hub, which will take a freewheel on one side and/or a fixed cog on the 
 other.  Some people run a freewheel on both sides with hubs like this 
 without issue.  It is 135mm OLD, which fits most Rivendells.  It has 32 
 holes and is silver.  A nice thing about the Surly New Ultra is that is 
 can be run bolt-on or QR with zero modifications to the hub itself.  The 
 axle is hollow to take the QR skewer, but it also comes with bolts 
 (M6x1.0) that thread internally into the axle.  The hub has been built 
 into a wheel, but is mechanically perfecto in my view.  
 
 My price is $60 plus shipping.  I will be traveling for work this coming 
 week but can ship when I return.  I'd be happy to field questions.  If 
 nobody wants it, I'll keep it for my own Rivendell Singlespeed concept(s).
 
 You will find photos of the hub at the end of my "Stuff For Sale" flickr 
 album:  https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157634724093620
 
 
 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] FS: Surly 135mm singlespeed rear hub

[Bill Lindsay]

The Surly Ultra New rear hub has been claimed.  Thanks

Bill

On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 10:56:06 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> No, the hub has no built-in chain tensioning.  This Surly rear hub is a 
> normal rear hub does not have an eccentric axle like a White Industries 
> ENO.  If you want to run this Surly hub with vertical dropouts, you will 
> need to run a separate tensioner, unless you luck out and find what is 
> called a magic gear.  
>
> The Eccentric ENO is a super clever design and worth every penny of its 
> $200 MSRP.  The downsides of an ENO, besides price, include:
>
> 1. proprietary and expensive (and sensational) fixed cog interface
> 2. it's impossible to run two freewheels, because of the proprietary fixed 
> interface on one side
> 3. for different tension setups you need to run the wheel in a different 
> position, which guarantees you have to change the rear rim-brake setup 
> every time you "shift".  This is fine if you are running a fixie with no 
> rear brake.  
> 4. normal riding forces make the eccentric axle want to rotate, which will 
> auto-loosen one axle nut if it moves at all.  You have to run things plenty 
> tight.  The harder your riding, the tighter you have to run things.  
> 5. No QR option
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
>
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 10:23:15 AM UTC-8 mkernan...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hey Bill Lindsay,   Will this Surly hub achieve the same results as say a 
>> WI ENO?Is there built in tensioning ability within the hub?   Thanks.   
>>  -Mike
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Dec 5, 2021, at 9:43 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> I'm imagining there are numerous Rivendell owners who may be knocking 
>> around a singlespeed concept.  Clems, Susies, Gusses, Platys, all look 
>> great with a single gear.  With vertical rear dropouts you'd need to run a 
>> tensioner, but that's a straightforward setup.
>>
>> I have the rear hub you may want for your singlespeed spare rear wheel 
>> idea.  It is the contemporary Surly Ultra New rear hub.  It is a flip-flop 
>> hub, which will take a freewheel on one side and/or a fixed cog on the 
>> other.  Some people run a freewheel on both sides with hubs like this 
>> without issue.  It is 135mm OLD, which fits most Rivendells.  It has 32 
>> holes and is silver.  A nice thing about the Surly New Ultra is that is can 
>> be run bolt-on or QR with zero modifications to the hub itself.  The axle 
>> is hollow to take the QR skewer, but it also comes with bolts (M6x1.0) that 
>> thread internally into the axle.  The hub has been built into a wheel, but 
>> is mechanically perfecto in my view.  
>>
>> My price is $60 plus shipping.  I will be traveling for work this coming 
>> week but can ship when I return.  I'd be happy to field questions.  If 
>> nobody wants it, I'll keep it for my own Rivendell Singlespeed concept(s).
>>
>> You will find photos of the hub at the end of my "Stuff For Sale" flickr 
>> album:  
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157634724093620
>>
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Surly 135mm singlespeed rear hub

[Bill Lindsay]

No, the hub has no built-in chain tensioning.  This Surly rear hub is a 
normal rear hub does not have an eccentric axle like a White Industries 
ENO.  If you want to run this Surly hub with vertical dropouts, you will 
need to run a separate tensioner, unless you luck out and find what is 
called a magic gear.  

The Eccentric ENO is a super clever design and worth every penny of its 
$200 MSRP.  The downsides of an ENO, besides price, include:

1. proprietary and expensive (and sensational) fixed cog interface
2. it's impossible to run two freewheels, because of the proprietary fixed 
interface on one side
3. for different tension setups you need to run the wheel in a different 
position, which guarantees you have to change the rear rim-brake setup 
every time you "shift".  This is fine if you are running a fixie with no 
rear brake.  
4. normal riding forces make the eccentric axle want to rotate, which will 
auto-loosen one axle nut if it moves at all.  You have to run things plenty 
tight.  The harder your riding, the tighter you have to run things.  
5. No QR option

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA


On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 10:23:15 AM UTC-8 mkernan...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Bill Lindsay,   Will this Surly hub achieve the same results as say a 
> WI ENO?Is there built in tensioning ability within the hub?   Thanks.   
>  -Mike
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 5, 2021, at 9:43 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> I'm imagining there are numerous Rivendell owners who may be knocking 
> around a singlespeed concept.  Clems, Susies, Gusses, Platys, all look 
> great with a single gear.  With vertical rear dropouts you'd need to run a 
> tensioner, but that's a straightforward setup.
>
> I have the rear hub you may want for your singlespeed spare rear wheel 
> idea.  It is the contemporary Surly Ultra New rear hub.  It is a flip-flop 
> hub, which will take a freewheel on one side and/or a fixed cog on the 
> other.  Some people run a freewheel on both sides with hubs like this 
> without issue.  It is 135mm OLD, which fits most Rivendells.  It has 32 
> holes and is silver.  A nice thing about the Surly New Ultra is that is can 
> be run bolt-on or QR with zero modifications to the hub itself.  The axle 
> is hollow to take the QR skewer, but it also comes with bolts (M6x1.0) that 
> thread internally into the axle.  The hub has been built into a wheel, but 
> is mechanically perfecto in my view.  
>
> My price is $60 plus shipping.  I will be traveling for work this coming 
> week but can ship when I return.  I'd be happy to field questions.  If 
> nobody wants it, I'll keep it for my own Rivendell Singlespeed concept(s).
>
> You will find photos of the hub at the end of my "Stuff For Sale" flickr 
> album:  
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157634724093620
>
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] FS: Surly 135mm singlespeed rear hub

[Michael Williams]

Hey Bill Lindsay,   Will this Surly hub achieve the same results as say a WI 
ENO?Is there built in tensioning ability within the hub?   Thanks.-Mike

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 5, 2021, at 9:43 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> I'm imagining there are numerous Rivendell owners who may be knocking around 
> a singlespeed concept.  Clems, Susies, Gusses, Platys, all look great with a 
> single gear.  With vertical rear dropouts you'd need to run a tensioner, but 
> that's a straightforward setup.
> 
> I have the rear hub you may want for your singlespeed spare rear wheel idea.  
> It is the contemporary Surly Ultra New rear hub.  It is a flip-flop hub, 
> which will take a freewheel on one side and/or a fixed cog on the other.  
> Some people run a freewheel on both sides with hubs like this without issue.  
> It is 135mm OLD, which fits most Rivendells.  It has 32 holes and is silver.  
> A nice thing about the Surly New Ultra is that is can be run bolt-on or QR 
> with zero modifications to the hub itself.  The axle is hollow to take the QR 
> skewer, but it also comes with bolts (M6x1.0) that thread internally into the 
> axle.  The hub has been built into a wheel, but is mechanically perfecto in 
> my view.  
> 
> My price is $60 plus shipping.  I will be traveling for work this coming week 
> but can ship when I return.  I'd be happy to field questions.  If nobody 
> wants it, I'll keep it for my own Rivendell Singlespeed concept(s).
> 
> You will find photos of the hub at the end of my "Stuff For Sale" flickr 
> album:  https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157634724093620
> 
> 
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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[RBW] FS: Surly 135mm singlespeed rear hub

[Bill Lindsay]

I'm imagining there are numerous Rivendell owners who may be knocking 
around a singlespeed concept.  Clems, Susies, Gusses, Platys, all look 
great with a single gear.  With vertical rear dropouts you'd need to run a 
tensioner, but that's a straightforward setup.

I have the rear hub you may want for your singlespeed spare rear wheel 
idea.  It is the contemporary Surly Ultra New rear hub.  It is a flip-flop 
hub, which will take a freewheel on one side and/or a fixed cog on the 
other.  Some people run a freewheel on both sides with hubs like this 
without issue.  It is 135mm OLD, which fits most Rivendells.  It has 32 
holes and is silver.  A nice thing about the Surly New Ultra is that is can 
be run bolt-on or QR with zero modifications to the hub itself.  The axle 
is hollow to take the QR skewer, but it also comes with bolts (M6x1.0) that 
thread internally into the axle.  The hub has been built into a wheel, but 
is mechanically perfecto in my view.  

My price is $60 plus shipping.  I will be traveling for work this coming 
week but can ship when I return.  I'd be happy to field questions.  If 
nobody wants it, I'll keep it for my own Rivendell Singlespeed concept(s).

You will find photos of the hub at the end of my "Stuff For Sale" flickr 
album:  https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72157634724093620


Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: WTB - 700c SS Wheelset for Quickbeam

[Paul Brodek]

What are you looking for hub-wise?

Single-side/Fixed?
Single-side/FW?
Dual-side/FW-FW?
Dual-side/Fixed-Fixed?
Dual-side/Fixed-FW?

Color prefs on hubs/rims/spokes?

The nicest spare set I have on hand is an all-silver Grand Cru wheelset 
from a few years back. Kinda buried at the moment, as in "move 8+ pair of 
wheels to find the Grand Crus." Happy to look if you're interested, happy 
to leave 'em where they lay if you're wanting something a little nicer. 

Oh, and btw I'd be shipping from Jersey, in case that matters, and these 
days it often does.

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA

On Saturday, December 4, 2021 at 10:12:04 PM UTC-5 Sean Steinle wrote:

> Starting the search for a nice wheelset for my quickbeam. 700c, 120mm rear 
> spacing. This is my only bike so I'd like to do it up right, maybe some 
> Phil hubs. I'm a lightweight rider, only 130 lbs, so don't want anything 
> too overkill on spoke count, probably 32h.
>
> Thanks!
> Sean
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[RBW] Re: Incoming

[J S]

Thanks Roberta, I do think you are correct.  I’ve been hoping to find one 
of these since I have been able to ride again.  

On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:36:48 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> Congratulations. It sound like your quest for the perfect bike for you is 
> over. 
>
> On Saturday, December 4, 2021 at 3:35:23 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:
>
>> About 15 years ago I bought a new Saluki, very pale green.  The bike was 
>> a 56cm, same as my custom but was too big.  I sold it barely used and when 
>> the Bleriot was available got a 55CM.  It seemed fine but after a 10 year 
>> layoff due to back surgery and fear of riding and injuring my back further 
>> Covid got me back out.  Since the back surgery I lost about 1 1/2 to 2 
>> inches of height but that should not have affected standover.  Well the 
>> Bleriot is slightly large, I have relative little if any clearance, I 
>> probably was oblivious to this when I was riding it way back when, I simply 
>> knew it was comfortable to ride and loved it.   So a 14 year old bike 
>> was ridden for about 4 years prior to a car accident and now another 2 
>> seasons (with lesser miles per season due to age and physical changes).  It 
>> was never my only bike so it had to share the miles I rode each season. 
>>
>> I was lucky and last week bought Johnny’s 54CM Saluki which should arrive 
>> on Tuesday.  I will take the parts from the Bleriot which were originally 
>> on my 56cm Saluki and put the on the pewter 54cm Saluki which was 
>> originally owned by Ed Braley.  Needless to say the Bleriot frame, plus a 
>> headset and BB that did not come with the frame will be available.  I will 
>> also have Tektro side pull brakes since the incoming uses cantis.  A low 
>> mileage frame for sure.  I will post when it is ready to ship, take 
>> pictures, etc.  I would say the condition is excellent for a 14 year old 
>> bike with a few scratches.  More to follow.
>>
>> Thanks to Jonathan for his patience while I got the money to him.  
>>
>> JS
>>
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[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie, am I crazy?

[Garth]

If you found your *enjoyable Jones too heavy to be enjoyabl*e  you'll 
likely find the same with a Gus/Susie. Or just give up the ghost of 
weighing and comparing bikes and just ride and enjoy them for what they 
are.. a means for The Ride !   
On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:40:43 AM UTC-5 Bill Fulford wrote:

> I’ve been riding my Gus for a year now. It’s taken some time to warm up to 
> it, but having  ridden through the fall and now into winter I am loving it. 
> It definitely feels heavy, but when I want a ride without windchill, a bike 
> that can plow through water, mud, over roots, basically thru anything Maine 
> offers, it is my go to bike. A peppy ride? Not how I would describe it. 
> Strong and stable? Yes! Fun? Absolutely! Just yesterday I rode across deep 
> frozen mud and felt confident, The bike hardly shifted. (I also ride 2.6 
> tires). Hope this helps in your decision.  ~Bill
>
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:22:49 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:
>
>> If you speak with anyone at Riv, I believe he will tell you what he 
>> really believes is best, not a “sales” job. 
>>
>> I’ve called about a red Roscoe Bubbe to have a Joe Appaloosa (purchased 
>> from a dealer instead of direct; they would have made more money with a 
>> full Rosco build) suggested instead.  I’ve called about a Cheviot to be 
>> told I should wait a few years until their newer model (which became the 
>> Platypus) comes out. I’ve been extremely happy heeding their advice. 
>>
>> Good luck with your first Riv
>>
>> Roberta 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 1:48:43 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hello all! Long time Riv admirer. But, I always hesitate long enough to 
>>> miss out on buying one. 
>>>
>>> I ride a Chumba Ursa mountain bike. It tows my daughter, grocery runs, 
>>> any trail ever. I ride the bike mellow in my opinion, but I’ve been told 
>>> maybe I’m more aggressive than I feel. Jumps are common when a water bar is 
>>> good, even fully loaded. But they are always a smooth landing. I ride a 
>>> 29x2.6 and find it great for most terrain. Snow is rare but not something I 
>>> don’t ride in. I had an LWB Jones complete and very much enjoyed the bike. 
>>> But, 37lbs without saddle or pedals was my first time feeling like a bike 
>>> is too heavy to be fun. And it was the shortest lived bike I’ve ever had. 
>>> I’ve never felt that disc brakes were an upgrade really. For reference, I 
>>> am 6’1” 170lbs. 90 PBH puts me between sizes on the upper end so that is 
>>> always nice to hear what others prefer!
>>>
>>> Anyhow, am I a Riv candidate? With the Gus And Susie pre sale starting 
>>> soon I wanted to ask the group opinion. I will call them and I’m sure they 
>>> can sell me that I am. But that’s their job. 
>>>
>>> Thanks to anyone who has some insight, I appreciate it in advance!
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie, am I crazy?

[Bill Fulford]

I’ve been riding my Gus for a year now. It’s taken some time to warm up to 
it, but having  ridden through the fall and now into winter I am loving it. 
It definitely feels heavy, but when I want a ride without windchill, a bike 
that can plow through water, mud, over roots, basically thru anything Maine 
offers, it is my go to bike. A peppy ride? Not how I would describe it. 
Strong and stable? Yes! Fun? Absolutely! Just yesterday I rode across deep 
frozen mud and felt confident, The bike hardly shifted. (I also ride 2.6 
tires). Hope this helps in your decision.  ~Bill

On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 7:22:49 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> If you speak with anyone at Riv, I believe he will tell you what he really 
> believes is best, not a “sales” job. 
>
> I’ve called about a red Roscoe Bubbe to have a Joe Appaloosa (purchased 
> from a dealer instead of direct; they would have made more money with a 
> full Rosco build) suggested instead.  I’ve called about a Cheviot to be 
> told I should wait a few years until their newer model (which became the 
> Platypus) comes out. I’ve been extremely happy heeding their advice. 
>
> Good luck with your first Riv
>
> Roberta 
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 1:48:43 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hello all! Long time Riv admirer. But, I always hesitate long enough to 
>> miss out on buying one. 
>>
>> I ride a Chumba Ursa mountain bike. It tows my daughter, grocery runs, 
>> any trail ever. I ride the bike mellow in my opinion, but I’ve been told 
>> maybe I’m more aggressive than I feel. Jumps are common when a water bar is 
>> good, even fully loaded. But they are always a smooth landing. I ride a 
>> 29x2.6 and find it great for most terrain. Snow is rare but not something I 
>> don’t ride in. I had an LWB Jones complete and very much enjoyed the bike. 
>> But, 37lbs without saddle or pedals was my first time feeling like a bike 
>> is too heavy to be fun. And it was the shortest lived bike I’ve ever had. 
>> I’ve never felt that disc brakes were an upgrade really. For reference, I 
>> am 6’1” 170lbs. 90 PBH puts me between sizes on the upper end so that is 
>> always nice to hear what others prefer!
>>
>> Anyhow, am I a Riv candidate? With the Gus And Susie pre sale starting 
>> soon I wanted to ask the group opinion. I will call them and I’m sure they 
>> can sell me that I am. But that’s their job. 
>>
>> Thanks to anyone who has some insight, I appreciate it in advance!
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Incoming

[Roberta]

Congratulations. It sound like your quest for the perfect bike for you is 
over. 

On Saturday, December 4, 2021 at 3:35:23 PM UTC-5 Joel S wrote:

> About 15 years ago I bought a new Saluki, very pale green.  The bike was a 
> 56cm, same as my custom but was too big.  I sold it barely used and when 
> the Bleriot was available got a 55CM.  It seemed fine but after a 10 year 
> layoff due to back surgery and fear of riding and injuring my back further 
> Covid got me back out.  Since the back surgery I lost about 1 1/2 to 2 
> inches of height but that should not have affected standover.  Well the 
> Bleriot is slightly large, I have relative little if any clearance, I 
> probably was oblivious to this when I was riding it way back when, I simply 
> knew it was comfortable to ride and loved it.   So a 14 year old bike was 
> ridden for about 4 years prior to a car accident and now another 2 seasons 
> (with lesser miles per season due to age and physical changes).  It was 
> never my only bike so it had to share the miles I rode each season. 
>
> I was lucky and last week bought Johnny’s 54CM Saluki which should arrive 
> on Tuesday.  I will take the parts from the Bleriot which were originally 
> on my 56cm Saluki and put the on the pewter 54cm Saluki which was 
> originally owned by Ed Braley.  Needless to say the Bleriot frame, plus a 
> headset and BB that did not come with the frame will be available.  I will 
> also have Tektro side pull brakes since the incoming uses cantis.  A low 
> mileage frame for sure.  I will post when it is ready to ship, take 
> pictures, etc.  I would say the condition is excellent for a 14 year old 
> bike with a few scratches.  More to follow.
>
> Thanks to Jonathan for his patience while I got the money to him.  
>
> JS
>

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[RBW] Re: Gus or Susie, am I crazy?

[Roberta]

If you speak with anyone at Riv, I believe he will tell you what he really 
believes is best, not a “sales” job. 

I’ve called about a red Roscoe Bubbe to have a Joe Appaloosa (purchased 
from a dealer instead of direct; they would have made more money with a 
full Rosco build) suggested instead.  I’ve called about a Cheviot to be 
told I should wait a few years until their newer model (which became the 
Platypus) comes out. I’ve been extremely happy heeding their advice. 

Good luck with your first Riv

Roberta 





On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 1:48:43 AM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello all! Long time Riv admirer. But, I always hesitate long enough to 
> miss out on buying one. 
>
> I ride a Chumba Ursa mountain bike. It tows my daughter, grocery runs, any 
> trail ever. I ride the bike mellow in my opinion, but I’ve been told maybe 
> I’m more aggressive than I feel. Jumps are common when a water bar is good, 
> even fully loaded. But they are always a smooth landing. I ride a 29x2.6 
> and find it great for most terrain. Snow is rare but not something I don’t 
> ride in. I had an LWB Jones complete and very much enjoyed the bike. But, 
> 37lbs without saddle or pedals was my first time feeling like a bike is too 
> heavy to be fun. And it was the shortest lived bike I’ve ever had. I’ve 
> never felt that disc brakes were an upgrade really. For reference, I am 
> 6’1” 170lbs. 90 PBH puts me between sizes on the upper end so that is 
> always nice to hear what others prefer!
>
> Anyhow, am I a Riv candidate? With the Gus And Susie pre sale starting 
> soon I wanted to ask the group opinion. I will call them and I’m sure they 
> can sell me that I am. But that’s their job. 
>
> Thanks to anyone who has some insight, I appreciate it in advance!
>
>

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Re: [RBW] WTB - 700c SS Wheelset for Quickbeam

[Eric Daume]

Hi Sean,

No leads on wheels, but I find it awesome your only bike is a QB!

Eric
minimalist wannabe

On Saturday, December 4, 2021, Sean Steinle  wrote:

> Starting the search for a nice wheelset for my quickbeam. 700c, 120mm rear
> spacing. This is my only bike so I'd like to do it up right, maybe some
> Phil hubs. I'm a lightweight rider, only 130 lbs, so don't want anything
> too overkill on spoke count, probably 32h.
>
> Thanks!
> Sean
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