Re: [RBW] Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[Ian A]

RivSisters is a pretty good name for a biker gang.

IanA

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 10:22:29 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I SO could see Leah becoming the ringleader of her own bike gang. "Follow 
> her, I'm not sure where she's going but it looks fun!" 拾‍♀️
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 8:51:39 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> Well, I do believe that when you find a group with whom (which?) to ride, 
>> you'll show up on that beautiful Platy and cause quite a stir. At which 
>> point you'll be able to choose your own direction and ride off with any 
>> number of riders smitten by raspberry, steel and Ornithorhynchus close 
>> behind. And, you'll become a group of your own. Have some possible group 
>> names ready!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> John 'A lone wolf who enjoys bumping into other lone wolves' Rinker
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 11:48:33 AM UTC+9 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Minneapolis, Minnesota, Michigan, they're all the same.
>>>
>>> I'll think about a bobblehat pic. And after I think about it, I'll 
>>> wince. But the earflaps do work very well.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 7:45 PM Leah Peterson  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Patrick, who lives in Minneapolis? Not me! (And as the bikiest city in 
 the nation, yes they beat Portland, they certainly DO have such groups. 
 And 
 the most Rivs I have ever seen has been in Minneapolis, I will add.)

 Can we see the faux-Peruvian bobble hat in scarlet with fuzzy chin ties?
 Leah

 > On Jan 17, 2022, at 9:40 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
 > 
 > I like to think of myself as a Velominatus, one of the cycling
 > enlightened, earnestly and exactingly preserving the Rules and the
 > Lore while wearing an expression of noble and aloof gravity befitting
 > the dignity of the responsibility, but I expect others just take me
 > for a dork on a bike, especially when I wear my faux-Peruvian bobble
 > hat in scarlet with fuzzy chin ties.
 > 
 > Slightly less in earnest: in ABQ there is the NM Touring Society which
 > hosts daily rides year 'round and has 3 or 4 different ride levels
 > including "slow and friendly and we stop for everyone." I have twice
 > almost signed up only to forebear since they start at 7:30 or 8:30 in
 > the morning and I take pleasure in cycling only after about 10 am. My
 > mornings are in any event too busy, and in any event I prefer to ride
 > mid-day, even in the heat.
 > 
 > Pre-Covid I did several rides with a friend and q group of fellow
 > engineers and managers from Sandia National Labs, and that was fun for
 > the occasional ride even tho' I had to get up at 4 to get ready for
 > and drive to the 6 am start; this was summertime, but 6 am rides are
 > Not My Thing. I do like to ride with said friend, but two is not
 > group.
 > 
 > I can't imagine that in a city like Minneapolis there isn't at least 1
 > riding group that is neither roadie nor mtb and that emphasizes
 > friendliness and "wait up" with cafe stops at the end.
 > 
 > Patrick "life begins after 10 am" Moore
 > 
 >> On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 7:31 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
 >>  wrote:
 >> 
 >> We recently moved to SW Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing 
 from Eben Weiss, The Bike Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real Life 
 Bike Friends here. This List has really been a gift to me, but it has also 
 made me want more: I want  REAL people and REAL experiences with them. I 
 have found a shop that hosts rides of various kinds 9 months out of the 
 year. There is hope!
 >> 
 >> The trouble is: I don’t know what I am, and neither does anyone else.
 >> 
 >> I have never done a group ride. I don’t know how fast or slow I am, 
 and I don’t know how far I can go. I don’t know etiquette or what would 
 tick off other riders in the group. (My “group rides” were with my 2 sons 
 on the way to school. And it’s true that you learn a rhythm that works for 
 your group and on the rare occasion my husband got included, he made us 
 all 
 nervous.) I would like to have a good first experience and not be a drag 
 for a group. I think failure would send me right back into Lone Wolfdom. I 
 suppose I will just have to risk it.
 >> 
 >> When I say I ride, everyone thinks Roadie, and then they think of 
 their friend who is also a Roadie and want to plan a meeting for us. Now, 
 I 
 doubt I’m going to keep up with a group of road bikes on my Platypus. When 
 I say I don’t have a road bike, the person will say, “Oh, you like to 
 mountain bike!” When I try to explain, try to say what it is that I ride, 
 I 
 don’t have words. If I admit I don’t have a road bike or mountain bike 
 people assume hybrid bike from big box store = not a serious rider. I 
 don’t 
 know what I am. I don’t know 

Re: [RBW] Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[Joe Bernard]

I SO could see Leah becoming the ringleader of her own bike gang. "Follow 
her, I'm not sure where she's going but it looks fun!" 拾‍♀️



On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 8:51:39 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:

> Well, I do believe that when you find a group with whom (which?) to ride, 
> you'll show up on that beautiful Platy and cause quite a stir. At which 
> point you'll be able to choose your own direction and ride off with any 
> number of riders smitten by raspberry, steel and Ornithorhynchus close 
> behind. And, you'll become a group of your own. Have some possible group 
> names ready!
>
> Cheers,
> John 'A lone wolf who enjoys bumping into other lone wolves' Rinker
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 11:48:33 AM UTC+9 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Minneapolis, Minnesota, Michigan, they're all the same.
>>
>> I'll think about a bobblehat pic. And after I think about it, I'll wince. 
>> But the earflaps do work very well.
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 7:45 PM Leah Peterson  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Patrick, who lives in Minneapolis? Not me! (And as the bikiest city in 
>>> the nation, yes they beat Portland, they certainly DO have such groups. And 
>>> the most Rivs I have ever seen has been in Minneapolis, I will add.)
>>>
>>> Can we see the faux-Peruvian bobble hat in scarlet with fuzzy chin ties?
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> > On Jan 17, 2022, at 9:40 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > I like to think of myself as a Velominatus, one of the cycling
>>> > enlightened, earnestly and exactingly preserving the Rules and the
>>> > Lore while wearing an expression of noble and aloof gravity befitting
>>> > the dignity of the responsibility, but I expect others just take me
>>> > for a dork on a bike, especially when I wear my faux-Peruvian bobble
>>> > hat in scarlet with fuzzy chin ties.
>>> > 
>>> > Slightly less in earnest: in ABQ there is the NM Touring Society which
>>> > hosts daily rides year 'round and has 3 or 4 different ride levels
>>> > including "slow and friendly and we stop for everyone." I have twice
>>> > almost signed up only to forebear since they start at 7:30 or 8:30 in
>>> > the morning and I take pleasure in cycling only after about 10 am. My
>>> > mornings are in any event too busy, and in any event I prefer to ride
>>> > mid-day, even in the heat.
>>> > 
>>> > Pre-Covid I did several rides with a friend and q group of fellow
>>> > engineers and managers from Sandia National Labs, and that was fun for
>>> > the occasional ride even tho' I had to get up at 4 to get ready for
>>> > and drive to the 6 am start; this was summertime, but 6 am rides are
>>> > Not My Thing. I do like to ride with said friend, but two is not
>>> > group.
>>> > 
>>> > I can't imagine that in a city like Minneapolis there isn't at least 1
>>> > riding group that is neither roadie nor mtb and that emphasizes
>>> > friendliness and "wait up" with cafe stops at the end.
>>> > 
>>> > Patrick "life begins after 10 am" Moore
>>> > 
>>> >> On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 7:31 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>>> >>  wrote:
>>> >> 
>>> >> We recently moved to SW Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing 
>>> from Eben Weiss, The Bike Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real Life 
>>> Bike Friends here. This List has really been a gift to me, but it has also 
>>> made me want more: I want  REAL people and REAL experiences with them. I 
>>> have found a shop that hosts rides of various kinds 9 months out of the 
>>> year. There is hope!
>>> >> 
>>> >> The trouble is: I don’t know what I am, and neither does anyone else.
>>> >> 
>>> >> I have never done a group ride. I don’t know how fast or slow I am, 
>>> and I don’t know how far I can go. I don’t know etiquette or what would 
>>> tick off other riders in the group. (My “group rides” were with my 2 sons 
>>> on the way to school. And it’s true that you learn a rhythm that works for 
>>> your group and on the rare occasion my husband got included, he made us all 
>>> nervous.) I would like to have a good first experience and not be a drag 
>>> for a group. I think failure would send me right back into Lone Wolfdom. I 
>>> suppose I will just have to risk it.
>>> >> 
>>> >> When I say I ride, everyone thinks Roadie, and then they think of 
>>> their friend who is also a Roadie and want to plan a meeting for us. Now, I 
>>> doubt I’m going to keep up with a group of road bikes on my Platypus. When 
>>> I say I don’t have a road bike, the person will say, “Oh, you like to 
>>> mountain bike!” When I try to explain, try to say what it is that I ride, I 
>>> don’t have words. If I admit I don’t have a road bike or mountain bike 
>>> people assume hybrid bike from big box store = not a serious rider. I don’t 
>>> know what I am. I don’t know what “we” are. Where do bikes like ours fit? 
>>> Who do we ride with?
>>> >> 
>>> >> In looking at local events online, it seems there are Roadies and 
>>> there are Gravel Kings (my own term). If I roll up on my fendered, 
>>> raspberry sparkle Platypus, 

[RBW] Re: Question about the 1995 Waterford Road standard

[Corwin]

The Mountain Bike Museum sells lots more than frames...

Every time I go by there, I am tempted by at least a couple of their bikes.


Corwin
On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 5:06:47 PM UTC-8 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:

> Didn't realize the Mountain Bike Museum was selling frames
> Road Standard dimensions are on this never-quite finished resource - 
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/gen1/
>
> Here's the direct link to the image
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/gen1/rivcat05_framespecs.jpg
>
> I will say it sort hurts to hear a '95 described as "vintage" but 
> there ya go.
>
> Good frame - won't have quite the tire clearances we're seeing on more 
> recent models, of course. Horizontal dropouts, too. 
>
> Jim
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 4:49:47 PM UTC-8 Adrianna T wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I saw this ad and I am very tempted: 
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/fairfax-wow-beautiful-1995-rivendell/7429374409.html
>>
>> I'm going to see it next week to decide.
>>
>> 1. I am 5' 5 female, any ideas on whether this will fit me? 
>>
>> 2. This will be my first vintage bike, and I am so excited! Any other 
>> tips or advice on this particular frame? 
>>
>> -Adrianna
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Question about the 1995 Waterford Road standard

[Paul Brodek]

Just some thoughts from an Old Guy who owned a '95ish Road Standard, 
currently has a '98 Road Custom and lotsa Waterfords.

It is kinda pricey. It is also one of those things that you won't find 
often/easily, there's often a Riv premium to be paid, and in this smaller 
frame size w/26" wheels you'll likely have better tire clearance than with 
a 700c Road Standard. But if you boil it down to a production frame from 
'95 build by W'ford, $1,450 is big number in my book. A clean/stock '95 
W'ford road frame might get $600-$700, a clean W'ford Riv might get 
$200-$300 more? The highest I've seen a Road Standard go for was around 
$1,200, pretty clean, sold by Jan Heine on ebay some years back, haven't 
seen anything else sell that high. I'd be happy to get $1,200 in 2020 for 
my '98 Riv Road Custom, built by Joe Starck. $1,450 is a pretty aggressive 
price.  

The frame looks lovely. It evidently is being sold by/for a good cause. 
It's a Riv. Vintage steel is cool/fun. It looks very clean. Likely has 
pretty good tire clearance? Rare fer sure. Lots of pluses. Just be comfy 
knowing you're not necessarily getting a bargain, and if you decided it 
didn't work well for you, I'm not sure you'd be able to get close to the 
same price reselling it.

Tips on your first vintage frameset is a big topic, and one that others 
here generally do that better than I do. I'll just hit a couple/few 
basics.  

My first question would be whether you want this to be a cool vintage bike 
without being concerned whether it will ride as well as your current bikes? 
Or would you want to be able to essentially ride it the same places/ways as 
what you ride now? Rivs have changed a lot in the past 35yrs+. If you're 
riding newish/current Rivs now with looong chainstays and wde tires, is 
the '15 Standard going to feel like the equivalent of hopping on a 700c 
bike with 28mm tires? Or do you want something that feels faster and maybe 
not as comfy?

In terms of knowing what you're potentially getting, you do want to try 
your best to make sure it'll fit you well, before buying. Also make sure 
you know how much real tire clearance you'll have, maybe especially 
important for someone coming from a current Riv, especially if it's a 
wide/long Riv.

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA
 
On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 7:49:47 PM UTC-5 Adrianna T wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I saw this ad and I am very tempted: 
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/fairfax-wow-beautiful-1995-rivendell/7429374409.html
>
> I'm going to see it next week to decide.
>
> 1. I am 5' 5 female, any ideas on whether this will fit me? 
>
> 2. This will be my first vintage bike, and I am so excited! Any other tips 
> or advice on this particular frame? 
>
> -Adrianna
>

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Re: [RBW] Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[John Rinker]

Well, I do believe that when you find a group with whom (which?) to ride, 
you'll show up on that beautiful Platy and cause quite a stir. At which 
point you'll be able to choose your own direction and ride off with any 
number of riders smitten by raspberry, steel and Ornithorhynchus close 
behind. And, you'll become a group of your own. Have some possible group 
names ready!

Cheers,
John 'A lone wolf who enjoys bumping into other lone wolves' Rinker



On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 11:48:33 AM UTC+9 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Minneapolis, Minnesota, Michigan, they're all the same.
>
> I'll think about a bobblehat pic. And after I think about it, I'll wince. 
> But the earflaps do work very well.
>
> On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 7:45 PM Leah Peterson  wrote:
>
>> Patrick, who lives in Minneapolis? Not me! (And as the bikiest city in 
>> the nation, yes they beat Portland, they certainly DO have such groups. And 
>> the most Rivs I have ever seen has been in Minneapolis, I will add.)
>>
>> Can we see the faux-Peruvian bobble hat in scarlet with fuzzy chin ties?
>> Leah
>>
>> > On Jan 17, 2022, at 9:40 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>> > 
>> > I like to think of myself as a Velominatus, one of the cycling
>> > enlightened, earnestly and exactingly preserving the Rules and the
>> > Lore while wearing an expression of noble and aloof gravity befitting
>> > the dignity of the responsibility, but I expect others just take me
>> > for a dork on a bike, especially when I wear my faux-Peruvian bobble
>> > hat in scarlet with fuzzy chin ties.
>> > 
>> > Slightly less in earnest: in ABQ there is the NM Touring Society which
>> > hosts daily rides year 'round and has 3 or 4 different ride levels
>> > including "slow and friendly and we stop for everyone." I have twice
>> > almost signed up only to forebear since they start at 7:30 or 8:30 in
>> > the morning and I take pleasure in cycling only after about 10 am. My
>> > mornings are in any event too busy, and in any event I prefer to ride
>> > mid-day, even in the heat.
>> > 
>> > Pre-Covid I did several rides with a friend and q group of fellow
>> > engineers and managers from Sandia National Labs, and that was fun for
>> > the occasional ride even tho' I had to get up at 4 to get ready for
>> > and drive to the 6 am start; this was summertime, but 6 am rides are
>> > Not My Thing. I do like to ride with said friend, but two is not
>> > group.
>> > 
>> > I can't imagine that in a city like Minneapolis there isn't at least 1
>> > riding group that is neither roadie nor mtb and that emphasizes
>> > friendliness and "wait up" with cafe stops at the end.
>> > 
>> > Patrick "life begins after 10 am" Moore
>> > 
>> >> On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 7:31 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> We recently moved to SW Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing 
>> from Eben Weiss, The Bike Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real Life 
>> Bike Friends here. This List has really been a gift to me, but it has also 
>> made me want more: I want  REAL people and REAL experiences with them. I 
>> have found a shop that hosts rides of various kinds 9 months out of the 
>> year. There is hope!
>> >> 
>> >> The trouble is: I don’t know what I am, and neither does anyone else.
>> >> 
>> >> I have never done a group ride. I don’t know how fast or slow I am, 
>> and I don’t know how far I can go. I don’t know etiquette or what would 
>> tick off other riders in the group. (My “group rides” were with my 2 sons 
>> on the way to school. And it’s true that you learn a rhythm that works for 
>> your group and on the rare occasion my husband got included, he made us all 
>> nervous.) I would like to have a good first experience and not be a drag 
>> for a group. I think failure would send me right back into Lone Wolfdom. I 
>> suppose I will just have to risk it.
>> >> 
>> >> When I say I ride, everyone thinks Roadie, and then they think of 
>> their friend who is also a Roadie and want to plan a meeting for us. Now, I 
>> doubt I’m going to keep up with a group of road bikes on my Platypus. When 
>> I say I don’t have a road bike, the person will say, “Oh, you like to 
>> mountain bike!” When I try to explain, try to say what it is that I ride, I 
>> don’t have words. If I admit I don’t have a road bike or mountain bike 
>> people assume hybrid bike from big box store = not a serious rider. I don’t 
>> know what I am. I don’t know what “we” are. Where do bikes like ours fit? 
>> Who do we ride with?
>> >> 
>> >> In looking at local events online, it seems there are Roadies and 
>> there are Gravel Kings (my own term). If I roll up on my fendered, 
>> raspberry sparkle Platypus, both groups will be uncomfortable.
>> >> 
>> >> My shop did mention some community rides, and those I will try, though 
>> I suspect they might be short and slow for my taste. There are some very 
>> exciting events state-wide here, but they do seem to be geared to road 
>> bikers. I admit that I know very 

Re: [RBW] Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[Patrick Moore]

Minneapolis, Minnesota, Michigan, they're all the same.

I'll think about a bobblehat pic. And after I think about it, I'll wince.
But the earflaps do work very well.

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 7:45 PM Leah Peterson 
wrote:

> Patrick, who lives in Minneapolis? Not me! (And as the bikiest city in the
> nation, yes they beat Portland, they certainly DO have such groups. And the
> most Rivs I have ever seen has been in Minneapolis, I will add.)
>
> Can we see the faux-Peruvian bobble hat in scarlet with fuzzy chin ties?
> Leah
>
> > On Jan 17, 2022, at 9:40 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> >
> > I like to think of myself as a Velominatus, one of the cycling
> > enlightened, earnestly and exactingly preserving the Rules and the
> > Lore while wearing an expression of noble and aloof gravity befitting
> > the dignity of the responsibility, but I expect others just take me
> > for a dork on a bike, especially when I wear my faux-Peruvian bobble
> > hat in scarlet with fuzzy chin ties.
> >
> > Slightly less in earnest: in ABQ there is the NM Touring Society which
> > hosts daily rides year 'round and has 3 or 4 different ride levels
> > including "slow and friendly and we stop for everyone." I have twice
> > almost signed up only to forebear since they start at 7:30 or 8:30 in
> > the morning and I take pleasure in cycling only after about 10 am. My
> > mornings are in any event too busy, and in any event I prefer to ride
> > mid-day, even in the heat.
> >
> > Pre-Covid I did several rides with a friend and q group of fellow
> > engineers and managers from Sandia National Labs, and that was fun for
> > the occasional ride even tho' I had to get up at 4 to get ready for
> > and drive to the 6 am start; this was summertime, but 6 am rides are
> > Not My Thing. I do like to ride with said friend, but two is not
> > group.
> >
> > I can't imagine that in a city like Minneapolis there isn't at least 1
> > riding group that is neither roadie nor mtb and that emphasizes
> > friendliness and "wait up" with cafe stops at the end.
> >
> > Patrick "life begins after 10 am" Moore
> >
> >> On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 7:31 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> We recently moved to SW Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing
> from Eben Weiss, The Bike Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real Life
> Bike Friends here. This List has really been a gift to me, but it has also
> made me want more: I want  REAL people and REAL experiences with them. I
> have found a shop that hosts rides of various kinds 9 months out of the
> year. There is hope!
> >>
> >> The trouble is: I don’t know what I am, and neither does anyone else.
> >>
> >> I have never done a group ride. I don’t know how fast or slow I am, and
> I don’t know how far I can go. I don’t know etiquette or what would tick
> off other riders in the group. (My “group rides” were with my 2 sons on the
> way to school. And it’s true that you learn a rhythm that works for your
> group and on the rare occasion my husband got included, he made us all
> nervous.) I would like to have a good first experience and not be a drag
> for a group. I think failure would send me right back into Lone Wolfdom. I
> suppose I will just have to risk it.
> >>
> >> When I say I ride, everyone thinks Roadie, and then they think of their
> friend who is also a Roadie and want to plan a meeting for us. Now, I doubt
> I’m going to keep up with a group of road bikes on my Platypus. When I say
> I don’t have a road bike, the person will say, “Oh, you like to mountain
> bike!” When I try to explain, try to say what it is that I ride, I don’t
> have words. If I admit I don’t have a road bike or mountain bike people
> assume hybrid bike from big box store = not a serious rider. I don’t know
> what I am. I don’t know what “we” are. Where do bikes like ours fit? Who do
> we ride with?
> >>
> >> In looking at local events online, it seems there are Roadies and there
> are Gravel Kings (my own term). If I roll up on my fendered, raspberry
> sparkle Platypus, both groups will be uncomfortable.
> >>
> >> My shop did mention some community rides, and those I will try, though
> I suspect they might be short and slow for my taste. There are some very
> exciting events state-wide here, but they do seem to be geared to road
> bikers. I admit that I know very little about bike culture here, and
> talking to real people might open up a lot of possibilities. Where are
> these people I can talk to?!
> >>
> >> The locals tell me spring will be here in March. I’ve got 2 months to
> figure out where I fit, Rivsters.
> >>
> >> Who can relate? Who has words of wisdom? Who just wants to commiserate?
> Are we the outcasts of bike culture or are we unicorns? Where are we in the
> Velotaxonomy? How do we make the cool people take us seriously? Should I
> buy Lycra?
> >>
> >> What I wouldn’t give for a couple of RivSisters living locally…
> >> Leah
> >
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Re: [RBW] Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[Leah Peterson]

Patrick, who lives in Minneapolis? Not me! (And as the bikiest city in the 
nation, yes they beat Portland, they certainly DO have such groups. And the 
most Rivs I have ever seen has been in Minneapolis, I will add.)

Can we see the faux-Peruvian bobble hat in scarlet with fuzzy chin ties?
Leah

> On Jan 17, 2022, at 9:40 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> I like to think of myself as a Velominatus, one of the cycling
> enlightened, earnestly and exactingly preserving the Rules and the
> Lore while wearing an expression of noble and aloof gravity befitting
> the dignity of the responsibility, but I expect others just take me
> for a dork on a bike, especially when I wear my faux-Peruvian bobble
> hat in scarlet with fuzzy chin ties.
> 
> Slightly less in earnest: in ABQ there is the NM Touring Society which
> hosts daily rides year 'round and has 3 or 4 different ride levels
> including "slow and friendly and we stop for everyone." I have twice
> almost signed up only to forebear since they start at 7:30 or 8:30 in
> the morning and I take pleasure in cycling only after about 10 am. My
> mornings are in any event too busy, and in any event I prefer to ride
> mid-day, even in the heat.
> 
> Pre-Covid I did several rides with a friend and q group of fellow
> engineers and managers from Sandia National Labs, and that was fun for
> the occasional ride even tho' I had to get up at 4 to get ready for
> and drive to the 6 am start; this was summertime, but 6 am rides are
> Not My Thing. I do like to ride with said friend, but two is not
> group.
> 
> I can't imagine that in a city like Minneapolis there isn't at least 1
> riding group that is neither roadie nor mtb and that emphasizes
> friendliness and "wait up" with cafe stops at the end.
> 
> Patrick "life begins after 10 am" Moore
> 
>> On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 7:31 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> We recently moved to SW Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing from 
>> Eben Weiss, The Bike Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real Life Bike 
>> Friends here. This List has really been a gift to me, but it has also made 
>> me want more: I want  REAL people and REAL experiences with them. I have 
>> found a shop that hosts rides of various kinds 9 months out of the year. 
>> There is hope!
>> 
>> The trouble is: I don’t know what I am, and neither does anyone else.
>> 
>> I have never done a group ride. I don’t know how fast or slow I am, and I 
>> don’t know how far I can go. I don’t know etiquette or what would tick off 
>> other riders in the group. (My “group rides” were with my 2 sons on the way 
>> to school. And it’s true that you learn a rhythm that works for your group 
>> and on the rare occasion my husband got included, he made us all nervous.) I 
>> would like to have a good first experience and not be a drag for a group. I 
>> think failure would send me right back into Lone Wolfdom. I suppose I will 
>> just have to risk it.
>> 
>> When I say I ride, everyone thinks Roadie, and then they think of their 
>> friend who is also a Roadie and want to plan a meeting for us. Now, I doubt 
>> I’m going to keep up with a group of road bikes on my Platypus. When I say I 
>> don’t have a road bike, the person will say, “Oh, you like to mountain 
>> bike!” When I try to explain, try to say what it is that I ride, I don’t 
>> have words. If I admit I don’t have a road bike or mountain bike people 
>> assume hybrid bike from big box store = not a serious rider. I don’t know 
>> what I am. I don’t know what “we” are. Where do bikes like ours fit? Who do 
>> we ride with?
>> 
>> In looking at local events online, it seems there are Roadies and there are 
>> Gravel Kings (my own term). If I roll up on my fendered, raspberry sparkle 
>> Platypus, both groups will be uncomfortable.
>> 
>> My shop did mention some community rides, and those I will try, though I 
>> suspect they might be short and slow for my taste. There are some very 
>> exciting events state-wide here, but they do seem to be geared to road 
>> bikers. I admit that I know very little about bike culture here, and talking 
>> to real people might open up a lot of possibilities. Where are these people 
>> I can talk to?!
>> 
>> The locals tell me spring will be here in March. I’ve got 2 months to figure 
>> out where I fit, Rivsters.
>> 
>> Who can relate? Who has words of wisdom? Who just wants to commiserate? Are 
>> we the outcasts of bike culture or are we unicorns? Where are we in the 
>> Velotaxonomy? How do we make the cool people take us seriously? Should I buy 
>> Lycra?
>> 
>> What I wouldn’t give for a couple of RivSisters living locally…
>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[Patrick Moore]

I like to think of myself as a Velominatus, one of the cycling
enlightened, earnestly and exactingly preserving the Rules and the
Lore while wearing an expression of noble and aloof gravity befitting
the dignity of the responsibility, but I expect others just take me
for a dork on a bike, especially when I wear my faux-Peruvian bobble
hat in scarlet with fuzzy chin ties.

Slightly less in earnest: in ABQ there is the NM Touring Society which
hosts daily rides year 'round and has 3 or 4 different ride levels
including "slow and friendly and we stop for everyone." I have twice
almost signed up only to forebear since they start at 7:30 or 8:30 in
the morning and I take pleasure in cycling only after about 10 am. My
mornings are in any event too busy, and in any event I prefer to ride
mid-day, even in the heat.

Pre-Covid I did several rides with a friend and q group of fellow
engineers and managers from Sandia National Labs, and that was fun for
the occasional ride even tho' I had to get up at 4 to get ready for
and drive to the 6 am start; this was summertime, but 6 am rides are
Not My Thing. I do like to ride with said friend, but two is not
group.

I can't imagine that in a city like Minneapolis there isn't at least 1
riding group that is neither roadie nor mtb and that emphasizes
friendliness and "wait up" with cafe stops at the end.

Patrick "life begins after 10 am" Moore

On Mon, Jan 17, 2022 at 7:31 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
 wrote:
>
> We recently moved to SW Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing from 
> Eben Weiss, The Bike Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real Life Bike 
> Friends here. This List has really been a gift to me, but it has also made me 
> want more: I want  REAL people and REAL experiences with them. I have found a 
> shop that hosts rides of various kinds 9 months out of the year. There is 
> hope!
>
> The trouble is: I don’t know what I am, and neither does anyone else.
>
> I have never done a group ride. I don’t know how fast or slow I am, and I 
> don’t know how far I can go. I don’t know etiquette or what would tick off 
> other riders in the group. (My “group rides” were with my 2 sons on the way 
> to school. And it’s true that you learn a rhythm that works for your group 
> and on the rare occasion my husband got included, he made us all nervous.) I 
> would like to have a good first experience and not be a drag for a group. I 
> think failure would send me right back into Lone Wolfdom. I suppose I will 
> just have to risk it.
>
> When I say I ride, everyone thinks Roadie, and then they think of their 
> friend who is also a Roadie and want to plan a meeting for us. Now, I doubt 
> I’m going to keep up with a group of road bikes on my Platypus. When I say I 
> don’t have a road bike, the person will say, “Oh, you like to mountain bike!” 
> When I try to explain, try to say what it is that I ride, I don’t have words. 
> If I admit I don’t have a road bike or mountain bike people assume hybrid 
> bike from big box store = not a serious rider. I don’t know what I am. I 
> don’t know what “we” are. Where do bikes like ours fit? Who do we ride with?
>
> In looking at local events online, it seems there are Roadies and there are 
> Gravel Kings (my own term). If I roll up on my fendered, raspberry sparkle 
> Platypus, both groups will be uncomfortable.
>
> My shop did mention some community rides, and those I will try, though I 
> suspect they might be short and slow for my taste. There are some very 
> exciting events state-wide here, but they do seem to be geared to road 
> bikers. I admit that I know very little about bike culture here, and talking 
> to real people might open up a lot of possibilities. Where are these people I 
> can talk to?!
>
> The locals tell me spring will be here in March. I’ve got 2 months to figure 
> out where I fit, Rivsters.
>
> Who can relate? Who has words of wisdom? Who just wants to commiserate? Are 
> we the outcasts of bike culture or are we unicorns? Where are we in the 
> Velotaxonomy? How do we make the cool people take us seriously? Should I buy 
> Lycra?
>
> What I wouldn’t give for a couple of RivSisters living locally…
> Leah

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[RBW] Re: FS: Simworks Goodluck bag - $150 shipped

[Minh]

hi Jim, sharp looking bag (i always love the simworks stuff), for 
clarification, does it only clip on the bottom to rack or is it meant to 
hang off the handlebars too?  
On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 5:54:24 PM UTC-5 Jim S. wrote:

> Never been on a bike. Never had an item in it. It looks like Simworks 
> doesn't sell these any more. This bag could go in a basket, but no basket 
> is necessary. Instead, it can click to a rack. I think it's tailor-made for 
> the Obento rack. I paid $175 for it in April 2020. It's burgundy waxed 
> canvas. It comes with a detachable shoulder strap, which is shown in one of 
> the photos.
>
> Here are photos:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/F2qXs6KDp6PxtEq8A
>
> Here's a link to a product description. I couldn't find it on the Simworks 
> page. But there are nice photos and description at this link, if you scroll 
> down:
>
> https://circles-jp.com/bags/74316/
>
> Thank you for any interest.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem for bikepacking?

[Richard Rose]

That latest one has some clever things going on.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 17, 2022, at 1:32 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
> 
> Cool, thanks!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jan 17, 2022, at 11:51 AM, Matt Maceda  wrote:
>>> 
>> Here's how I loaded my Clem L for seven or so days on the road (OAK - SLO, 
>> very slow). I regret not having a rack for panniers; it was a pain digging 
>> around and packing the Nelson longflaps with not enough room for my gear. 
>> Having more bags would have helped spreading items out for easy access and 
>> packing. In any case, Clem L handles really well while carrying gear and 
>> feels acceptably "fast" for multi day touring.
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 9:56:36 AM UTC-8 meti...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I certainly plan to pack my new Clem L for camping! 
>>> 
>>> Long ago I spent weeks in Europe (on several different trips) on a 
>>> packed-out Motobecane Grand Touring bike with skinny little tires. I added 
>>> a temporary Blackburn rear rack, slapped some panniers on it, threw some 
>>> sort of front-bar bag on the handlebars, and despite tons of flats (we 
>>> eventually stuck to the roads rather than gravel trails), the bike did fine 
>>> and we had a blast. I’m sure it wasn’t pretty, but it was wonderful, and 
>>> now I can flip a bike over and whip out a tube change like nobody’s 
>>> business. 
>>> 
>>> (I’ve traveled a number of the Adventure Cycling Association routes the 
>>> same way, too, Jeff, and it was so much fun to see how other bicyclists 
>>> handled their gear. We can complicate the most simple experiences, and I 
>>> want to be more like those easy travelers…they make me laugh)
>>> 
>>> Anything will work, if you let it. :) Have fun on your bike-camping trips.
>>> 
>>> Liz
>>> 
>>> 
 On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 11:53:35 AM UTC-5 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
 I agree with John G: pretty much any bike can be used for 
 cyclotouring/bikepacking.  I don't have a Clem (I have a Rambouillet), but 
 Grant designs framesets with strength and reliability in mind.  It is 
 steel, so absolutely, it should be fine.
 
 If you ever have a chance to visit Adventure Cycling Association's (ACA) 
 HQ in Missoula, MT, you can see many of the original rigs that were used.  
 Absolutely fascinating.  They just took what was available and invented 
 solutions.  Those folks were animals, too: you gotta check out the tall 
 gearing they had.  At the same time, they were young and in the prime of 
 their lives.
 
 Fast forward to 2022: there are so many gadgets now to enable one to 
 attach something to your frame and fork.  Check out Bikepacking.com for a 
 complete rundown.  They have a wealth of information.  Be careful though: 
 it is a true rabbit hole.  It's like going to REI.  You just keep buying 
 stuff!  
 
 In 2017 we used (because they were one of the first to market) King Cage 
 USBs (Universal Support Bolts).  Extremely handy and strong.  We used sets 
 of them to support King Cage Manything Cages on our forks for the Great 
 Divide.  They were truly tested: because we could be cycling through areas 
 with no water sources for our water purifier, we carried 3-liter 
 containers of water.  Note: there are now several solutions out there in 
 addition to the King Cage USB.
 
 Enjoy and have fun!
 
 Jeff
 Claremont, CA 
 
 P.S.: Voile straps are your friend!!
 
 
 
> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 7:47:22 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
> Wondering if there are any Clem L owners here using their rig  for 
> bikepacking excursions? Seems like an ideal platform in spite of having 
> no space for a framebag nor fork mounted braze ons for anything or 
> similar cages. I am thinking of front and rear mimimalist racks from 
> Tumbleweed as they include the anything / manything cage mounts. Curious 
> what others might be doing?
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[RBW] Re: For Sale: 65cm Specialized Sequoia frame, fork, seat post, and FSA head set

[Julian Westerhout]

This frame is sold, pending payment. Thanks! 

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 6:23:16 PM UTC-6 jamin orrall wrote:

> these are excellent riding bicycles. 
>
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 3:43:01 PM UTC-8 weste...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> For Sale: 65cm Specialized Sequoia frame, fork, seat post, and FSA head 
>> set . Blue. I believe it to be a 1983 model. 
>>
>> This would make a great poor man's Rivendell Rambouillet. I've owned both 
>> and they feel like siblings to me. 
>>
>> This is a really nice Sequoia, with one semi-major caveat. It came from 
>> specialized with two bottle mounts — one on the top of the down tube, the 
>> other underneath the down tube. Someone prior to me in this bike’s life 
>> drilled two holes in the seat tube for a third bottle, but they are not 
>> quite straight, nor are they nut-serted or tapped. I put tape over the 
>> holes and then put a Velo-Orange bottle mount in the proper spot (covers 
>> the holes) — you can see it in the photos. 
>>
>> Overall I’d call the paint pretty good — there are a few scuffs and on 
>> one fork leg and one seat stay the chrome is showing through a scrape. I am 
>> including the seep-down cable end for the rear derailleur cable mount on 
>> the chain stay. 
>>
>>
>> This is a wonderful riding bike — I had one and sold it a few 
>> years ago, missed it, so bought this one, and have recently acquired 
>> another frame in the 68.5 cm size which fits me better. Due to the water 
>> bottle mount issue I’m selling this at what I consider to be a bargain 
>> price. 
>>
>> $100 plus actual cost shipping (I’ll pack it carefully at no cost) 
>>  within the CONUS. 
>>
>> PayPal F preferred. 
>>
>> Photos at https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjzyZ82
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL 
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

['Tom M' via RBW Owners Bunch]

My wife and I usually rode together, but when I was recovering from 
shoulder surgery, she joined a couple of meetup groups in our area. One 
thing one of her rides did was to have a turnaround time. So basically, you 
could ride at whatever pace you wanted, with whomever you wanted, but at a 
certain point you turned around. That way everyone met up at the designated 
spot at the same time. No one felt pressured to ride at a certain pace, but 
people who wanted to ride at the seam pace could ride together. So meetup 
groups might be what you're looking for.
Tom in Alexandria, VA

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 5:04:06 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Ian and John - there’s an app for this? Will investigate! I didn’t even 
> know a MeetUp Group was a bike group. Never heard of it. Thanks!
>
> On Jan 17, 2022, at 12:57 PM, Ian A  wrote:
>
> You might be able to find a MeetUp Group or Touring Cyclist  style group 
> , neither tend to be competitive. Randonneur clubs often have a Populaire 
> which is typically a full day style 100km (60mile) ride and every type of 
> rider shows up to those, even parent/child tandem riders and it is a lot of 
> fun.
>
>
> If there is no MeetUp Group on your area or nothing that is what you are 
> looking for, there is an opportunity to start one and see how it goes. When 
> I lived in Vancouver, I started group riding with a MeetUp Group on 
> Saturdays and it was fun for a while. Then I found the BC Randonneurs and 
> that was fantastic until I rode off to Tierra del Fuego. Distance riding 
> got under my skin!
>
> IanA (back north in) Alberta Canada 
>
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 7:31:09 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 0168267B-AB4E-4252-B2D2-09FC827BCB73.jpeg]We recently moved to 
>> SW Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing from Eben Weiss, The Bike 
>> Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real Life Bike Friends here. This List 
>> has really been a gift to me, but it has also made me want more: I want 
>>  REAL people and REAL experiences with them. I have found a shop that hosts 
>> rides of various kinds 9 months out of the year. There is hope!
>>
>> The trouble is: I don’t know what I am, and neither does anyone else. 
>>
>> I have never done a group ride. I don’t know how fast or slow I am, and I 
>> don’t know how far I can go. I don’t know etiquette or what would tick off 
>> other riders in the group. (My “group rides” were with my 2 sons on the way 
>> to school. And it’s true that you learn a rhythm that works for your group 
>> and on the rare occasion my husband got included, he made us all nervous.) 
>> I would like to have a good first experience and not be a drag for a group. 
>> I think failure would send me right back into Lone Wolfdom. I suppose I 
>> will just have to risk it.
>>
>> When I say I ride, everyone thinks Roadie, and then they think of their 
>> friend who is also a Roadie and want to plan a meeting for us. Now, I doubt 
>> I’m going to keep up with a group of road bikes on my Platypus. When I say 
>> I don’t have a road bike, the person will say, “Oh, you like to mountain 
>> bike!” When I try to explain, try to say what it is that I ride, I don’t 
>> have words. If I admit I don’t have a road bike or mountain bike people 
>> assume hybrid bike from big box store = not a serious rider. I don’t know 
>> what I am. I don’t know what “we” are. Where do bikes like ours fit? Who do 
>> we ride with?
>>
>> In looking at local events online, it seems there are Roadies and there 
>> are Gravel Kings (my own term). If I roll up on my fendered, raspberry 
>> sparkle Platypus, both groups will be uncomfortable. 
>>
>> My shop did mention some community rides, and those I will try, though I 
>> suspect they might be short and slow for my taste. There are some very 
>> exciting events state-wide here, but they do seem to be geared to road 
>> bikers. I admit that I know very little about bike culture here, and 
>> talking to real people might open up a lot of possibilities. Where are 
>> these people I can talk to?!
>>
>> The locals tell me spring will be here in March. I’ve got 2 months to 
>> figure out where I fit, Rivsters. 
>>
>> Who can relate? Who has words of wisdom? Who just wants to commiserate? 
>> Are we the outcasts of bike culture or are we unicorns? Where are we in the 
>> Velotaxonomy? How do we make the cool people take us seriously? Should I 
>> buy Lycra? 
>>
>> What I wouldn’t give for a couple of RivSisters living locally…
>> Leah
>>
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[RBW] Re: wtb: crust bj stem (26.0)

[J Schwartz]

good to know, thank you

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 7:32:33 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I called Garrett about these a few weeks ago and he said they were 
> expecting a container from Nitto sometime in the next few months. I realize 
> given how freight is going worldwide this doesn't mean much. But reason to 
> hope!
>
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 7:51:47 PM UTC-5 J Schwartz wrote:
>
>> Greetings, looking for a crust/nitto BJ stem in 26.0 clamp size.  Silver 
>> preferred, but black OK too.
>> plan to use this with albastaches on my S.H.
>> Stem looks like this:
>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-01-16 at 7.50.07 PM.png]
>> Crust is out ...not sure where to find anything else like it.
>> If anyone has one they aren't using, please let me know
>> thanks
>> JS
>>
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[RBW] New Craigslist/others thread

[Matthew Williams]

Quickbeam
60cm
$1650
San Francisco, CA
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-quickbeam-60cm/7432952117.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[Joe Bernard]

"What I've learned from this is I probably can't keep up with Leah!"

Dude if I ever show up for a group ride with the Killer Hill Crusher I'm 
not even pretending. I'm bringing an ebike! 

Joe "I'm gonna need a little assistance here" Bernard
On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 5:19:35 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> What I've learned from this is I probably can't keep up with Leah!  
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Losco (Black/540mm) and Nitto UI-75 (28.6/25.4/120mm)

[Calvin Yolo]

Bars are sold.

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 3:15:43 PM UTC-8 Calvin Yolo wrote:

> Stem has been purchased. Selling bars for $50 local pick up from 94703, or 
> $65 shipped.
>
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 12:54:52 PM UTC-8 Calvin Yolo wrote:
>
>> $100 shipped. Would prefer to sell both at the same time but can part out 
>> if there's any interest.
>>
>> *Nitto Losco bars (black)*
>> Handle clamp: 25.4mm
>> Handle diameter: 22.2mm
>> Inside diameter: 19mm
>> Width: 540mm(C-C)
>>
>> *Nitto UI-75 threadless stem*
>> Handlebar clamp diameter : 25.4mm
>> Length : 120mm
>> Steerer clamp diameter: 28.6mm
>>
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Re: [RBW] New Roadinis will have clearance for 42 mm tires

[Eamon Nordquist]

With that tire clearance, I would prefer that both bikes had cantilever 
posts, but I don't really mind the braking on long reach brakes. Disclaimer 
- I don't weigh that much (140-145 pounds), and even camping loads are 
usually pretty light for me. I just like that cantilever brakes allow you 
to maximize your fender clearance. 
The new Roadini sounds like it will be more of a bridge between the Roadeo 
and the Homer Hilsen.
Eamon
Seattle
On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 3:45:19 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

>
> It's brake hole to rim center you gotta get right. A medium-reach caliper 
> won't reach the rim as the Gallop is currently configured. 
>
>
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 3:14:28 PM UTC-8 Brady Smith wrote:
>
>> Is there any reason why one couldn’t just use medium reach brakes with 
>> skinnier tires on this new model? I’m starting to wonder if the new VO 
>> Randonneur might not be a better option, or if I should just keep an eye 
>> out for an older Roadini/Rambouillet. I already have a BMC monster cross I 
>> use with 42mm tires. 
>>
>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 12:59:29 PM UTC-7 Scott Calhoun wrote:
>>
>>> Count me among those with no enthusiasm for 55-73mm long reach caliper 
>>> brakes. IME, much worse performance than medium 47-57mm reach brakes. In 
>>> the medium reach format, one has several high quality brake options: Velo 
>>> Orange Grand Cru, TRP 957, and Paul Racer M. In long reach calipers, 
>>> especially now that the Paul Racer regulars have been discontinued, there 
>>> are no high performance options to my knowledge.
>>>
>>> I would have prefered sticking with the medium reach, or going to canti 
>>> posts if wider than 38mm tires is a must.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 8:38:54 AM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:
>>>
 I was excited for a Charles H Gallop too, but no v-brakes means I’m 
 out. Wish I could snag that prototype, because that is just an ideal 
 setup. 

 But the Sam Hillborne also started with long reach brakes (like mine) 
 and eventually made its way to canti/V-brake posts so hopefully CHG goes 
 the same way and sooner than later. 

 Abe

 On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 09:38:06 UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:

> Yeah, I was really looking forward to the CHG, but the long reach 
> brakes kill it for me. 
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022, Johnny Alien  
> wrote:
>
>> I am a little shocked that they are apparently bringing that change 
>> over to the Charlie Gallop too. Instead of the V-brake/cantilever setup 
>> that the previous prototype had. Since they are designing their own V 
>> brakes that look to be quite nice it seems that they would push the 
>> bikes 
>> toward that. The only reason I can think that they would make that 
>> change 
>> is because sidepulls are a little more common on road style bikes. But 
>> making a decision based only on aesthetics seems counter to how 
>> Rivendell 
>> normally does things.
>>
>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 11:48:38 AM UTC-5 Linda G wrote:
>>
>>> I'm so glad I bought my Roadini frame before this change! The 559 
>>> brakes do not work for me: poor power in dry conditions and unusable in 
>>> wet. I find that 33mm tires have plenty of cush and 42's would probably 
>>> create toe overlap on a 50 size frame. I'm grateful to have found a 
>>> Rivendell frame that works for me. 
>>> [image: DSC00040.JPG]
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 9:46:12 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I saw today the announcement that the new Roadinis are niw designed 
 for R559 brakes and will easily clear 42 mm tires. Good news, as far 
 as I’m 
 concerned! The only thing I am slightly sad about is that they aren’t 
 coming in grilver, which is THE color for the Roadini, in my opinion. 
 That 
 may be influenced by my love for the silver gray imron paint on early 
 80’s 
 Treks. Regardless, if I have a  job by then, I may have to get one.

 Eamon
 Seattle 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[Leah Peterson]

Garth: It is perfectly good to ride alone. But I’m tired of ONLY riding alone. 
I would really like to share some experiences with like-minded folks; I just 
didn’t think it would be this hard to find them. There’s something about shared 
adventures and then the fun of rehashing them with your friends again later. 
2020 has intensified the desire for me. Plus, I have so much to learn! A group 
of bikey friends would be great for me.

Jason: Lies! I’ve seen your mileage and your terrain. I’m never, ever riding 
with you! You’d drop me!

> On Jan 17, 2022, at 7:47 PM, Garth  wrote:
> 
> 
> All I can say is it's perfectly good to ride alone. Way back when I rode with 
> some groups that were race oriented and I enjoyed them at the time but I 
> couldn't fathom such these days as I really enjoy riding alone for a 
> multitude of reasons all of which are way beyond the confines of this "group 
> intention". See the parallel with "group rides"?  With this group for example 
> I've written and erased more replies than I've actually sent as they either 
> don't fit in the confines of the group or more often the case in forming a 
> opinion/point, I realize whatever importance I had placed on it originally no 
> longer applies, it's as if in acknowledging it , what I thought was the point 
> has disappeared. So whatever goal that may arise as a reason for the ride, I 
> can't hold on to it, it's like a passing cloud. Poof and it's reformed itself 
> into another, and another ... etc. 
> 
> So what was the reason for this reply again ?  Poof !  Ahahahahahahahahaahaaa 
> !
>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 6:38:04 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>> Sure...you'll be fine...more than fine, actually. What Paul says about 
>> leaving a ride is good advice and common courtesy especially for a regroup 
>> ride where someone may be charged with sweeping to make sure everyone gets 
>> to the designated stop OK. 
>> 
>> Good luck!
>> 
>>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 4:11:19 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>> Paul, this is fantastic advice that I’ve never heard. Ditch? That’s ok? 
>>> Awesome. 
>>> 
>>> I think the 15-18 mph would be my sweet spot. And probably not more than 
>>> 20-30 miles. I don’t have that kind of time anyway. I hope you’re right 
>>> about the fitness of the other riders. I do try to keep in shape; I lift 
>>> weights and do core most days and I also run. I’m used to hills and high 
>>> temps, so maybe that will count for something and help me keep up.
>>> 
>>> Who knows, maybe people will be really inclusive! If not, I guess I’ll find 
>>> my own way.
>>> 
> On Jan 17, 2022, at 4:34 PM, Paul Clifton  wrote:
> 
 
>>> 
 Like most people have said, you may get some looks, but if you ride like 
 you know what you're doing, everyone will soften up really quickly.
 
 Groups can all be really different, so if you show up and the vibe's not 
 fun - then ditch the ride and go lone wolf and try again when you feel 
 like it with a different group. Don't get discouraged if the first group 
 isn't for you. I have peeled off after 5 miles so many times it feels like 
 a joke now. Whether it's a group I just don't want to stay with or maybe 
 I'm just not feeling like doing a climb, I just say "Hey, I'm ditching. 
 Don't worry. I know my way home and have tools. Thanks for the ride. I'll 
 see you around." Everyone has always said "Have fun, see ya later" and 
 been totally cool with it and not offended or anything.
 
 You can almost certainly keep up with any "no-drop" ride. They tend to 
 stick to 15-18 mph or slower, with stops to regroup at major turns, if 
 needed. They also tend to exist to get newer riders more comfortable with 
 group riding, so you're bound to find one you like. I think you'd find an 
 average speed of less than 13mph really slow, but that's just a 
 guesstimate.
 
 The training rides and drop rides will frequently post an average speed, 
 and if not, someone familiar with the scene will know, but expect 18-20+ 
 mph average for roadies on a training ride.
 
 More than likely though, I suspect you'll be surprised at how fit you are 
 compared to others on the rides. When you "just ride" most of the time, it 
 turns out it keeps you fit enough to keep up with most cyclists. It's only 
 the ones who commit themselves to speed and strength that will actually be 
 stronger and faster than you, and there really aren't THAT many of those 
 guys in any given town. 
 
 Everyone else is just riding with more steps (clothes, groups, trackers, 
 etc.).
 
 You won't find anything advertised as a "country ride" or whatever though. 
 You'll just have to look at route maps and pick something that seems 
 appealing.
 
 As for large organized rides - they are usually ride-your-own-ride, and 
 you'll meet and cruise with a ton of 

Re: [RBW] Re: Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[Jason Fuller]

What I've learned from this is I probably can't keep up with Leah!  




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[RBW] Re: Question about the 1995 Waterford Road standard

[Greg J]

My 1996 Riv catalog says that the 50cm (c-t) is built for 26" wheels. 4.5cm 
drop.  The rear spacing is listed at 129, "which can be squeezed or spread 
slight to fit various hubs."

"50 women's" has a tt of 50.5cm, and "50 men's" has 52.5cm.  So I would 
guess this one is 50cm men's.  Not that that makes any difference. 

@Adriana, it's hard to guess the fit - there are so many factors to 
consider.  Personally, I'd say this is on the smaller end of what fits for 
you, but probably will fit fine.  5'-5" would usually put you at about a 
52cm seat tube (center-top) and 53.5cm top tube.  Because this is a 
frameset only, you'll be taking a bit of a risk I think, without being able 
to ride it.

I had one of these a while back (54cm size), and it was a really nice 
riding bike.  I sold it because I wanted to fit even larger tires.

Greg

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 6:01:18 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> It depends on when the frame was built, it could be several years away 
> from when that spec sheet was published. The ad says it's measured C-to-T 
> so I believe it's a real 50cm frame, and my (vague) memory of that time is 
> it came with 26" wheels. The Rambouillet in 50 and 52cm also used the 
> smaller wheels. 
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 5:29:26 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:
>
>> But in the spec sheet Jim attached, the smallest size is 52cm. I guess it 
>> depends on how Rivendell  measures .CC or CT?  Rear spacing is 130 and 
>> wheel size is 700 c according to the Riv spec.
>>
>> Nice frame...grab it if it fits!
>>
>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 7:20:20 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I've been staring at that frame for weeks, it's gorgeous! At 5'-6"-ish 
>>> it's too small for me, I'll bet a 50 × 52cm would be perfect for you, 
>>> especially with drops or Moustache/Albastache bars. 
>>>
>>> The listing says 125 rear spacing but I'm pretty sure all Riv Roads werr 
>>> 130. Check for wheel size, I think the 50cm frames used 26" like mountain 
>>> bikes. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 4:49:47 PM UTC-8 Adrianna T wrote:
>>>
 Hi folks,

 I saw this ad and I am very tempted: 
 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/fairfax-wow-beautiful-1995-rivendell/7429374409.html

 I'm going to see it next week to decide.

 1. I am 5' 5 female, any ideas on whether this will fit me? 

 2. This will be my first vintage bike, and I am so excited! Any other 
 tips or advice on this particular frame? 

 -Adrianna

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[Garth]

All I can say is it's perfectly good to ride alone. Way back when I rode 
with some groups that were race oriented and I enjoyed them at the time but 
I couldn't fathom such these days as I really enjoy riding alone for a 
multitude of reasons all of which are way beyond the confines of this 
"group intention". See the parallel with "group rides"?  With this group 
for example I've written and erased more replies than I've actually sent as 
they either don't fit in the confines of the group or more often the case 
in forming a opinion/point, I realize whatever importance I had placed on 
it originally no longer applies, it's as if in acknowledging it , what I 
thought was the point has disappeared. So whatever goal that may arise as a 
reason for the ride, I can't hold on to it, it's like a passing cloud. Poof 
and it's reformed itself into another, and another ... etc. 

So what was the reason for this reply again ?  Poof !  
Ahahahahahahahahaahaaa !
On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 6:38:04 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> Sure...you'll be fine...more than fine, actually. What Paul says about 
> leaving a ride is good advice and common courtesy especially for a regroup 
> ride where someone may be charged with sweeping to make sure everyone gets 
> to the designated stop OK. 
>
> Good luck!
>
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 4:11:19 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Paul, this is fantastic advice that I’ve never heard. Ditch? That’s ok? 
>> Awesome. 
>>
>> I think the 15-18 mph would be my sweet spot. And probably not more than 
>> 20-30 miles. I don’t have that kind of time anyway. I hope you’re right 
>> about the fitness of the other riders. I do try to keep in shape; I lift 
>> weights and do core most days and I also run. I’m used to hills and high 
>> temps, so maybe that will count for something and help me keep up.
>>
>> Who knows, maybe people will be really inclusive! If not, I guess I’ll 
>> find my own way.
>>
>> On Jan 17, 2022, at 4:34 PM, Paul Clifton  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Like most people have said, you may get some looks, but if you ride like 
>> you know what you're doing, everyone will soften up really quickly.
>>
>> Groups can all be really different, so if you show up and the vibe's not 
>> fun - then ditch the ride and go lone wolf and try again when you feel like 
>> it with a different group. Don't get discouraged if the first group isn't 
>> for you. I have peeled off after 5 miles so many times it feels like a joke 
>> now. Whether it's a group I just don't want to stay with or maybe I'm just 
>> not feeling like doing a climb, I just say "Hey, I'm ditching. Don't worry. 
>> I know my way home and have tools. Thanks for the ride. I'll see you 
>> around." Everyone has always said "Have fun, see ya later" and been totally 
>> cool with it and not offended or anything.
>>
>> You can almost certainly keep up with any "no-drop" ride. They tend to 
>> stick to 15-18 mph or slower, with stops to regroup at major turns, if 
>> needed. They also tend to exist to get newer riders more comfortable with 
>> group riding, so you're bound to find one you like. I think you'd find an 
>> average speed of less than 13mph really slow, but that's just a guesstimate.
>>
>> The training rides and drop rides will frequently post an average speed, 
>> and if not, someone familiar with the scene will know, but expect 18-20+ 
>> mph average for roadies on a training ride.
>>
>> More than likely though, I suspect you'll be surprised at how fit you are 
>> compared to others on the rides. When you "just ride" most of the time, it 
>> turns out it keeps you fit enough to keep up with most cyclists. It's only 
>> the ones who commit themselves to speed and strength that will actually be 
>> stronger and faster than you, and there really aren't THAT many of those 
>> guys in any given town. 
>>
>> Everyone else is just riding with more steps (clothes, groups, trackers, 
>> etc.).
>>
>> You won't find anything advertised as a "country ride" or whatever 
>> though. You'll just have to look at route maps and pick something that 
>> seems appealing. 
>>
>> As for large organized rides - they are usually ride-your-own-ride, and 
>> you'll meet and cruise with a ton of people over the course of the day. No 
>> need to worry about the group dynamics as long as you can cover the 
>> distance in the allotted time.
>>
>> Paul in AR
>>
>> P.S. I just call myself a cyclist. Or a cycling enthusiast. That helps 
>> convince people that I know more about my bikes than they do and that they 
>> should go on a ride with me and see if it's fun. It's usually fun, except 
>> when I take roadies on single track - they hate that. :)
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 8:31:09 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 0168267B-AB4E-4252-B2D2-09FC827BCB73.jpeg]We recently moved to 
>>> SW Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing from Eben Weiss, The Bike 
>>> Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real 

[RBW] Re: wtb: crust bj stem (26.0)

[Eric Marth]

I called Garrett about these a few weeks ago and he said they were 
expecting a container from Nitto sometime in the next few months. I realize 
given how freight is going worldwide this doesn't mean much. But reason to 
hope!

On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 7:51:47 PM UTC-5 J Schwartz wrote:

> Greetings, looking for a crust/nitto BJ stem in 26.0 clamp size.  Silver 
> preferred, but black OK too.
> plan to use this with albastaches on my S.H.
> Stem looks like this:
> [image: Screen Shot 2022-01-16 at 7.50.07 PM.png]
> Crust is out ...not sure where to find anything else like it.
> If anyone has one they aren't using, please let me know
> thanks
> JS
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Re: [RBW] Re: Anticipating the 13-42 7 speed cassette

[sam . perez . 2002]

Any one pair this upper range (42 or 46) with a triple and long cage rd  with 
an extender?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 17, 2022, at 1:22 PM, lconley  wrote:
> 
> I would not want something like this, the larger 24-30-36-42 - all 6 teeth 
> apart. I think the last gear should be your bail-out gear, the others should 
> be closer together,  Who really needs two or three gears in the 20's or 30's, 
> if you are not racing uphill? That is why I like the 7 speed freewheel that 
> Rivendell sells - 14-16-18-20-22-24-34, 5 gaps of 2 and 1 gap of 10. If you 
> only have seven gears, let 6 of them be useful most of the time, instead of 3 
> or 4. With my 44 tooth chainwheel, I have 6 gears from 50 to 85, and a 35 for 
> bail-out. Of course, I do live in Florida. If I lived in a more mountainous 
> area, just reduce the chainring - I coast down hill.
> 
> Laing
> Who has 1x1, 1x2, 1x3, 1x7, 1x8, 1x11, 2x2, 2x5, 2x6, 2x9, 2x11, 3x5, 3x6, 
> 3x7, and 3x9 bikes and mostly rides 1x1 and 1x7.
>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 3:38:14 PM UTC-5 Scott G. wrote:
>> Soma Fab aka Merry Sales has a S-Ride 11-42 8 Speed, 
>> 11-13-16-20-24-30-36-42t
>> 
>> So drop the 11t for 7s, voila 13-42, the 42 cog is alloy.
>> 
>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/590844-s-ride-cassette-8sp-11-42t-cs-m200-5798?category=736
>> 
>>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 2:31:07 PM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>> I run a 7 speed with a 3x front on my old touring bike (deerhead front DR). 
>>> It's a great bike and I love that I can go fast with a 48, truck along with 
>>> a 39, or spin endlessly with a 28 all with barcons easily accessible. WIder 
>>> span would be really nice, but 32-34 rear cog is suitable.  I also really 
>>> like my 40/26 on my camping bike (romanceur) Ran it w/o a front derailer 
>>> for a few years and would kick shift it with my foot to downshift in 
>>> emergency bail outs and use a stick to pop the chain back on. Essentially a 
>>> 1X. it was OK. Eventually i found a suitable old campy fr DR. 1x with huge 
>>> rear cogs looks tErRrible in my opinion and ruin the flow of the bike, 
>>> especially on traditional diamond frames. I am currently working with a 
>>> frame builder to build me a singer style suicide lever/shifter. 
>>> 
 On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 7:48:34 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
 I still run 7 speed freewheels on two of my Rivendells . Like the 7 speed 
 cassettes, it allows almost zero dish on a 135mm hub. Hopefully, the 7 
 speed cassettes will be individual sprockets and not all riveted together 
 on common carriers so that one can customize their own gearing. I really 
 like the new 14-34 Shimano freewheel that Riv sells for only $18!!! (when 
 in stock.) I am getting ready to put an NOS 12-34 Suntour New Winner (was 
 somewhat more than $18) on the Bombadil with Ultegra 8 speed shifters on 
 Rivendell thumb shifter mounts so I can hopefully index my Altus.
 
 Laing
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 7:06:24 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
> Ray, I'm another one of the few anticipating the arrival of the 7 speed 
> cassette. I'm a long time user of 7 and 8 speed cogs so I'll also be a 
> buyer.
> 
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
> 
>> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 12:29:25 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>> Am I one of the few who thinks this is a great option. 
>> I applaud Merry Sales for their continued support of everyday practical 
>> bike gear.
>> I will definitely get a couple. 
>> I am just as eagerly awaiting Rivendell’s V- brake and rear derailer. 
>> Thank you once again Grant. 
>> 
>> Ray
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[RBW] Re: Rivendell & Crust products for sale

[Justin]

Hi Joe, 
I'm in Tucson as well, just moved here actually. I may take the Billie bars 
off your hands

On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 5:46:51 PM UTC-7 joseph...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've got some Rivendell & Crust items for sale, located in Tucson.  
>
> Rivendell Billie Bars New 580 x 25.4 New $100 Shipped
>
> Rivendell Albatross Bars 55cm x 25.4 New $100 Shipped
>
> Nitto X Crust Loose Bars 31.8 New $100 Shipped
>
> Nitto Talux Stem 110 cm New $70 Shipped 
>
> Thanks for looking, shipping within the US only. 
>
> Best,
> Joe
>

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[RBW] Re: Long shot: Book about wool sold by Rivendell?

[Eric Marth]

Drew! Thank you so much!

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 6:01:53 PM UTC-5 Drew Saunders wrote:

>
> The Wool Glossary by Robert D. Sadler, copyright 1995. Can’t find an ISBN 
> on my copy.
>
> Drew
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 3:23:04 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> In my disorienting time in front of the scanner archiving Rivendell 
>> catalogs I recall encountering a book about wool recommended by Grant. It 
>> was about types of wool, sheep and farming. I think. 
>>
>> Does anyone remember what this book is called?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: For Sale: 65cm Specialized Sequoia frame, fork, seat post, and FSA head set

[jamin orrall]

these are excellent riding bicycles. 

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 3:43:01 PM UTC-8 weste...@gmail.com wrote:

> For Sale: 65cm Specialized Sequoia frame, fork, seat post, and FSA head 
> set . Blue. I believe it to be a 1983 model. 
>
> This would make a great poor man's Rivendell Rambouillet. I've owned both 
> and they feel like siblings to me. 
>
> This is a really nice Sequoia, with one semi-major caveat. It came from 
> specialized with two bottle mounts — one on the top of the down tube, the 
> other underneath the down tube. Someone prior to me in this bike’s life 
> drilled two holes in the seat tube for a third bottle, but they are not 
> quite straight, nor are they nut-serted or tapped. I put tape over the 
> holes and then put a Velo-Orange bottle mount in the proper spot (covers 
> the holes) — you can see it in the photos. 
>
> Overall I’d call the paint pretty good — there are a few scuffs and on one 
> fork leg and one seat stay the chrome is showing through a scrape. I am 
> including the seep-down cable end for the rear derailleur cable mount on 
> the chain stay. 
>
>
> This is a wonderful riding bike — I had one and sold it a few 
> years ago, missed it, so bought this one, and have recently acquired 
> another frame in the 68.5 cm size which fits me better. Due to the water 
> bottle mount issue I’m selling this at what I consider to be a bargain 
> price. 
>
> $100 plus actual cost shipping (I’ll pack it carefully at no cost)  within 
> the CONUS. 
>
> PayPal F preferred. 
>
> Photos at https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjzyZ82
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] New Roadinis will have clearance for 42 mm tires

[Joe Bernard]

It's brake hole to rim center you gotta get right. A medium-reach caliper 
won't reach the rim as the Gallop is currently configured. 


On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 3:14:28 PM UTC-8 Brady Smith wrote:

> Is there any reason why one couldn’t just use medium reach brakes with 
> skinnier tires on this new model? I’m starting to wonder if the new VO 
> Randonneur might not be a better option, or if I should just keep an eye 
> out for an older Roadini/Rambouillet. I already have a BMC monster cross I 
> use with 42mm tires. 
>
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 12:59:29 PM UTC-7 Scott Calhoun wrote:
>
>> Count me among those with no enthusiasm for 55-73mm long reach caliper 
>> brakes. IME, much worse performance than medium 47-57mm reach brakes. In 
>> the medium reach format, one has several high quality brake options: Velo 
>> Orange Grand Cru, TRP 957, and Paul Racer M. In long reach calipers, 
>> especially now that the Paul Racer regulars have been discontinued, there 
>> are no high performance options to my knowledge.
>>
>> I would have prefered sticking with the medium reach, or going to canti 
>> posts if wider than 38mm tires is a must.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 8:38:54 AM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:
>>
>>> I was excited for a Charles H Gallop too, but no v-brakes means I’m out. 
>>> Wish I could snag that prototype, because that is just an ideal setup. 
>>>
>>> But the Sam Hillborne also started with long reach brakes (like mine) 
>>> and eventually made its way to canti/V-brake posts so hopefully CHG goes 
>>> the same way and sooner than later. 
>>>
>>> Abe
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 09:38:06 UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 Yeah, I was really looking forward to the CHG, but the long reach 
 brakes kill it for me. 

 Eric


 On Sunday, January 16, 2022, Johnny Alien  wrote:

> I am a little shocked that they are apparently bringing that change 
> over to the Charlie Gallop too. Instead of the V-brake/cantilever setup 
> that the previous prototype had. Since they are designing their own V 
> brakes that look to be quite nice it seems that they would push the bikes 
> toward that. The only reason I can think that they would make that change 
> is because sidepulls are a little more common on road style bikes. But 
> making a decision based only on aesthetics seems counter to how Rivendell 
> normally does things.
>
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 11:48:38 AM UTC-5 Linda G wrote:
>
>> I'm so glad I bought my Roadini frame before this change! The 559 
>> brakes do not work for me: poor power in dry conditions and unusable in 
>> wet. I find that 33mm tires have plenty of cush and 42's would probably 
>> create toe overlap on a 50 size frame. I'm grateful to have found a 
>> Rivendell frame that works for me. 
>> [image: DSC00040.JPG]
>>
>> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 9:46:12 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>>
>>> I saw today the announcement that the new Roadinis are niw designed 
>>> for R559 brakes and will easily clear 42 mm tires. Good news, as far as 
>>> I’m 
>>> concerned! The only thing I am slightly sad about is that they aren’t 
>>> coming in grilver, which is THE color for the Roadini, in my opinion. 
>>> That 
>>> may be influenced by my love for the silver gray imron paint on early 
>>> 80’s 
>>> Treks. Regardless, if I have a  job by then, I may have to get one.
>>>
>>> Eamon
>>> Seattle 
>>>
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[RBW] For Sale: 65cm Specialized Sequoia frame, fork, seat post, and FSA head set

[Julian Westerhout]

For Sale: 65cm Specialized Sequoia frame, fork, seat post, and FSA head set 
. Blue. I believe it to be a 1983 model. 

This would make a great poor man's Rivendell Rambouillet. I've owned both 
and they feel like siblings to me. 

This is a really nice Sequoia, with one semi-major caveat. It came from 
specialized with two bottle mounts — one on the top of the down tube, the 
other underneath the down tube. Someone prior to me in this bike’s life 
drilled two holes in the seat tube for a third bottle, but they are not 
quite straight, nor are they nut-serted or tapped. I put tape over the 
holes and then put a Velo-Orange bottle mount in the proper spot (covers 
the holes) — you can see it in the photos. 

Overall I’d call the paint pretty good — there are a few scuffs and on one 
fork leg and one seat stay the chrome is showing through a scrape. I am 
including the seep-down cable end for the rear derailleur cable mount on 
the chain stay. 


This is a wonderful riding bike — I had one and sold it a few years 
ago, missed it, so bought this one, and have recently acquired another 
frame in the 68.5 cm size which fits me better. Due to the water bottle 
mount issue I’m selling this at what I consider to be a bargain price. 

$100 plus actual cost shipping (I’ll pack it carefully at no cost)  within 
the CONUS. 

PayPal F preferred. 

Photos at https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjzyZ82

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[Ryan]

Sure...you'll be fine...more than fine, actually. What Paul says about 
leaving a ride is good advice and common courtesy especially for a regroup 
ride where someone may be charged with sweeping to make sure everyone gets 
to the designated stop OK. 

Good luck!

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 4:11:19 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Paul, this is fantastic advice that I’ve never heard. Ditch? That’s ok? 
> Awesome. 
>
> I think the 15-18 mph would be my sweet spot. And probably not more than 
> 20-30 miles. I don’t have that kind of time anyway. I hope you’re right 
> about the fitness of the other riders. I do try to keep in shape; I lift 
> weights and do core most days and I also run. I’m used to hills and high 
> temps, so maybe that will count for something and help me keep up.
>
> Who knows, maybe people will be really inclusive! If not, I guess I’ll 
> find my own way.
>
> On Jan 17, 2022, at 4:34 PM, Paul Clifton  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Like most people have said, you may get some looks, but if you ride like 
> you know what you're doing, everyone will soften up really quickly.
>
> Groups can all be really different, so if you show up and the vibe's not 
> fun - then ditch the ride and go lone wolf and try again when you feel like 
> it with a different group. Don't get discouraged if the first group isn't 
> for you. I have peeled off after 5 miles so many times it feels like a joke 
> now. Whether it's a group I just don't want to stay with or maybe I'm just 
> not feeling like doing a climb, I just say "Hey, I'm ditching. Don't worry. 
> I know my way home and have tools. Thanks for the ride. I'll see you 
> around." Everyone has always said "Have fun, see ya later" and been totally 
> cool with it and not offended or anything.
>
> You can almost certainly keep up with any "no-drop" ride. They tend to 
> stick to 15-18 mph or slower, with stops to regroup at major turns, if 
> needed. They also tend to exist to get newer riders more comfortable with 
> group riding, so you're bound to find one you like. I think you'd find an 
> average speed of less than 13mph really slow, but that's just a guesstimate.
>
> The training rides and drop rides will frequently post an average speed, 
> and if not, someone familiar with the scene will know, but expect 18-20+ 
> mph average for roadies on a training ride.
>
> More than likely though, I suspect you'll be surprised at how fit you are 
> compared to others on the rides. When you "just ride" most of the time, it 
> turns out it keeps you fit enough to keep up with most cyclists. It's only 
> the ones who commit themselves to speed and strength that will actually be 
> stronger and faster than you, and there really aren't THAT many of those 
> guys in any given town. 
>
> Everyone else is just riding with more steps (clothes, groups, trackers, 
> etc.).
>
> You won't find anything advertised as a "country ride" or whatever though. 
> You'll just have to look at route maps and pick something that seems 
> appealing. 
>
> As for large organized rides - they are usually ride-your-own-ride, and 
> you'll meet and cruise with a ton of people over the course of the day. No 
> need to worry about the group dynamics as long as you can cover the 
> distance in the allotted time.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> P.S. I just call myself a cyclist. Or a cycling enthusiast. That helps 
> convince people that I know more about my bikes than they do and that they 
> should go on a ride with me and see if it's fun. It's usually fun, except 
> when I take roadies on single track - they hate that. :)
>
>
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 8:31:09 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 0168267B-AB4E-4252-B2D2-09FC827BCB73.jpeg]We recently moved to 
>> SW Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing from Eben Weiss, The Bike 
>> Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real Life Bike Friends here. This List 
>> has really been a gift to me, but it has also made me want more: I want 
>>  REAL people and REAL experiences with them. I have found a shop that hosts 
>> rides of various kinds 9 months out of the year. There is hope!
>>
>> The trouble is: I don’t know what I am, and neither does anyone else. 
>>
>> I have never done a group ride. I don’t know how fast or slow I am, and I 
>> don’t know how far I can go. I don’t know etiquette or what would tick off 
>> other riders in the group. (My “group rides” were with my 2 sons on the way 
>> to school. And it’s true that you learn a rhythm that works for your group 
>> and on the rare occasion my husband got included, he made us all nervous.) 
>> I would like to have a good first experience and not be a drag for a group. 
>> I think failure would send me right back into Lone Wolfdom. I suppose I 
>> will just have to risk it.
>>
>> When I say I ride, everyone thinks Roadie, and then they think of their 
>> friend who is also a Roadie and want to plan a meeting for us. Now, I doubt 
>> I’m going to keep up with a group 

[RBW] Re: FS: Nitto Losco (Black/540mm) and Nitto UI-75 (28.6/25.4/120mm)

[Calvin Yolo]

Stem has been purchased. Selling bars for $50 local pick up from 94703, or 
$65 shipped.

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 12:54:52 PM UTC-8 Calvin Yolo wrote:

> $100 shipped. Would prefer to sell both at the same time but can part out 
> if there's any interest.
>
> *Nitto Losco bars (black)*
> Handle clamp: 25.4mm
> Handle diameter: 22.2mm
> Inside diameter: 19mm
> Width: 540mm(C-C)
>
> *Nitto UI-75 threadless stem*
> Handlebar clamp diameter : 25.4mm
> Length : 120mm
> Steerer clamp diameter: 28.6mm
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Re: [RBW] New Roadinis will have clearance for 42 mm tires

[Brady Smith]

Is there any reason why one couldn’t just use medium reach brakes with 
skinnier tires on this new model? I’m starting to wonder if the new VO 
Randonneur might not be a better option, or if I should just keep an eye 
out for an older Roadini/Rambouillet. I already have a BMC monster cross I 
use with 42mm tires. 

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 12:59:29 PM UTC-7 Scott Calhoun wrote:

> Count me among those with no enthusiasm for 55-73mm long reach caliper 
> brakes. IME, much worse performance than medium 47-57mm reach brakes. In 
> the medium reach format, one has several high quality brake options: Velo 
> Orange Grand Cru, TRP 957, and Paul Racer M. In long reach calipers, 
> especially now that the Paul Racer regulars have been discontinued, there 
> are no high performance options to my knowledge.
>
> I would have prefered sticking with the medium reach, or going to canti 
> posts if wider than 38mm tires is a must.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 8:38:54 AM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:
>
>> I was excited for a Charles H Gallop too, but no v-brakes means I’m out. 
>> Wish I could snag that prototype, because that is just an ideal setup. 
>>
>> But the Sam Hillborne also started with long reach brakes (like mine) and 
>> eventually made its way to canti/V-brake posts so hopefully CHG goes the 
>> same way and sooner than later. 
>>
>> Abe
>>
>> On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 09:38:06 UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, I was really looking forward to the CHG, but the long reach brakes 
>>> kill it for me. 
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>>
 I am a little shocked that they are apparently bringing that change 
 over to the Charlie Gallop too. Instead of the V-brake/cantilever setup 
 that the previous prototype had. Since they are designing their own V 
 brakes that look to be quite nice it seems that they would push the bikes 
 toward that. The only reason I can think that they would make that change 
 is because sidepulls are a little more common on road style bikes. But 
 making a decision based only on aesthetics seems counter to how Rivendell 
 normally does things.

 On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 11:48:38 AM UTC-5 Linda G wrote:

> I'm so glad I bought my Roadini frame before this change! The 559 
> brakes do not work for me: poor power in dry conditions and unusable in 
> wet. I find that 33mm tires have plenty of cush and 42's would probably 
> create toe overlap on a 50 size frame. I'm grateful to have found a 
> Rivendell frame that works for me. 
> [image: DSC00040.JPG]
>
> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 9:46:12 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>
>> I saw today the announcement that the new Roadinis are niw designed 
>> for R559 brakes and will easily clear 42 mm tires. Good news, as far as 
>> I’m 
>> concerned! The only thing I am slightly sad about is that they aren’t 
>> coming in grilver, which is THE color for the Roadini, in my opinion. 
>> That 
>> may be influenced by my love for the silver gray imron paint on early 
>> 80’s 
>> Treks. Regardless, if I have a  job by then, I may have to get one.
>>
>> Eamon
>> Seattle 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Long shot: Book about wool sold by Rivendell?

[Drew Saunders]

The Wool Glossary by Robert D. Sadler, copyright 1995. Can’t find an ISBN 
on my copy.

Drew
On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 3:23:04 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> In my disorienting time in front of the scanner archiving Rivendell 
> catalogs I recall encountering a book about wool recommended by Grant. It 
> was about types of wool, sheep and farming. I think. 
>
> Does anyone remember what this book is called?
>
> Thanks!
>

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[RBW] Was that you out on Sonoma Mtn Road today?

[reynoldslugs]

Out on one of my regular rides this morning - Sonoma Mountain Road, heading 
over to Bennet Valley, saw a rider on a fine-looking Rivendell - - maybe a 
Cheviot?  — heading the other way.  He was going uphill, smiled, waived, 
and I shoulda turned around to compliment him on the bike.  My riding buddy 
said, hey that guy had a tweedy looking bag like mine.  

If it was you, sorry I didn’t have more time to compliment you and the bike.

Max Beach
Santa Rosa CA

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[RBW] FS: Simworks Goodluck bag - $150 shipped

[Jim S.]

Never been on a bike. Never had an item in it. It looks like Simworks 
doesn't sell these any more. This bag could go in a basket, but no basket 
is necessary. Instead, it can click to a rack. I think it's tailor-made for 
the Obento rack. I paid $175 for it in April 2020. It's burgundy waxed 
canvas. It comes with a detachable shoulder strap, which is shown in one of 
the photos.

Here are photos:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/F2qXs6KDp6PxtEq8A

Here's a link to a product description. I couldn't find it on the Simworks 
page. But there are nice photos and description at this link, if you scroll 
down:

https://circles-jp.com/bags/74316/

Thank you for any interest.

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[RBW] Re: SF Bay Area powdercoat

[Joe Bernard]

Eh, it's more of a lark because I'm looking at most of the bike being 
stripped down than any commentary on the stock color. It looks great as is! 
I probably won't change it! 

Joe Bernard

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 6:58:13 AM UTC-8 lconley wrote:

> You don't like your pistachio green? I have one of the first batch Gray 
> Neutrinos, and almost wish I had waited. Of course, the purple anodized 
> bits would not have gone well with the green though. Everybody should have 
> a Neutrino, I got one because I am too fat to ride my Bike Friday.
>
> Laing
>
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 8:56:13 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Thanks everybody, West Coast sounds like the answer, especially if they 
>> do those gorgeous Fitz's. And the price is right! I kinda doubt I'll 
>> actually make the plunge but could happen 路
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 4:47:16 PM UTC-8 DB wrote:
>>
>>> I can vouch for West Coast Powdercoating.  I had my bike repainted there 
>>> last year and I'm really happy with it.  They charged $175 and the 
>>> turnaround time was only 4 days.  D and Ed Litton are the others I know 
>>> of but charge more and take a lot longer.  
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 8:35:15 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 I know someone who just got a very nice powdercoat from West Coast 
 Powdercoating in SF, sounds like $200 - 240 is the going rate which is 
 impressively cheap for a nice paintjob. 

 On Saturday, 15 January 2022 at 18:09:48 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> This is a low probability project but my new-to-me V-O Neutrino mini 
> velo (it's awesome, get one!) is going to get stripped down for a new 
> cockpit and cables and I'm tempted to keep stripping stuff off until 
> there's just frame to put a new color on. I don't need fancy wet paint, 
> just a basic one color powdercoat..who's good for this in my area? 
>
> Joe Bernard
>


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[RBW] FS: Tunitas Caryall Basket Pack for 137 basket

[Jim S.]

$150 shipped.

This has never been on a bike. Never had an item in it. Bought it for a 
daughter, which daughter rejected it. I don't know why.

Here are photos:

https://photos.app.goo.gl/vZ113rLDf8Sfi7rj7

Here's a product description:

https://www.tunitascarryall.com/product-page/basket-pack

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Re: [RBW] Re: Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[Leah Peterson]

Paul, this is fantastic advice that I’ve never heard. Ditch? That’s ok? 
Awesome. 

I think the 15-18 mph would be my sweet spot. And probably not more than 20-30 
miles. I don’t have that kind of time anyway. I hope you’re right about the 
fitness of the other riders. I do try to keep in shape; I lift weights and do 
core most days and I also run. I’m used to hills and high temps, so maybe that 
will count for something and help me keep up.

Who knows, maybe people will be really inclusive! If not, I guess I’ll find my 
own way.

> On Jan 17, 2022, at 4:34 PM, Paul Clifton  wrote:
> 
> 
> Like most people have said, you may get some looks, but if you ride like you 
> know what you're doing, everyone will soften up really quickly.
> 
> Groups can all be really different, so if you show up and the vibe's not fun 
> - then ditch the ride and go lone wolf and try again when you feel like it 
> with a different group. Don't get discouraged if the first group isn't for 
> you. I have peeled off after 5 miles so many times it feels like a joke now. 
> Whether it's a group I just don't want to stay with or maybe I'm just not 
> feeling like doing a climb, I just say "Hey, I'm ditching. Don't worry. I 
> know my way home and have tools. Thanks for the ride. I'll see you around." 
> Everyone has always said "Have fun, see ya later" and been totally cool with 
> it and not offended or anything.
> 
> You can almost certainly keep up with any "no-drop" ride. They tend to stick 
> to 15-18 mph or slower, with stops to regroup at major turns, if needed. They 
> also tend to exist to get newer riders more comfortable with group riding, so 
> you're bound to find one you like. I think you'd find an average speed of 
> less than 13mph really slow, but that's just a guesstimate.
> 
> The training rides and drop rides will frequently post an average speed, and 
> if not, someone familiar with the scene will know, but expect 18-20+ mph 
> average for roadies on a training ride.
> 
> More than likely though, I suspect you'll be surprised at how fit you are 
> compared to others on the rides. When you "just ride" most of the time, it 
> turns out it keeps you fit enough to keep up with most cyclists. It's only 
> the ones who commit themselves to speed and strength that will actually be 
> stronger and faster than you, and there really aren't THAT many of those guys 
> in any given town. 
> 
> Everyone else is just riding with more steps (clothes, groups, trackers, 
> etc.).
> 
> You won't find anything advertised as a "country ride" or whatever though. 
> You'll just have to look at route maps and pick something that seems 
> appealing.
> 
> As for large organized rides - they are usually ride-your-own-ride, and 
> you'll meet and cruise with a ton of people over the course of the day. No 
> need to worry about the group dynamics as long as you can cover the distance 
> in the allotted time.
> 
> Paul in AR
> 
> P.S. I just call myself a cyclist. Or a cycling enthusiast. That helps 
> convince people that I know more about my bikes than they do and that they 
> should go on a ride with me and see if it's fun. It's usually fun, except 
> when I take roadies on single track - they hate that. :)
> 
> 
>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 8:31:09 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> We recently moved to SW Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing from 
>> Eben Weiss, The Bike Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real Life Bike 
>> Friends here. This List has really been a gift to me, but it has also made 
>> me want more: I want  REAL people and REAL experiences with them. I have 
>> found a shop that hosts rides of various kinds 9 months out of the year. 
>> There is hope!
>> 
>> The trouble is: I don’t know what I am, and neither does anyone else. 
>> 
>> I have never done a group ride. I don’t know how fast or slow I am, and I 
>> don’t know how far I can go. I don’t know etiquette or what would tick off 
>> other riders in the group. (My “group rides” were with my 2 sons on the way 
>> to school. And it’s true that you learn a rhythm that works for your group 
>> and on the rare occasion my husband got included, he made us all nervous.) I 
>> would like to have a good first experience and not be a drag for a group. I 
>> think failure would send me right back into Lone Wolfdom. I suppose I will 
>> just have to risk it.
>> 
>> When I say I ride, everyone thinks Roadie, and then they think of their 
>> friend who is also a Roadie and want to plan a meeting for us. Now, I doubt 
>> I’m going to keep up with a group of road bikes on my Platypus. When I say I 
>> don’t have a road bike, the person will say, “Oh, you like to mountain 
>> bike!” When I try to explain, try to say what it is that I ride, I don’t 
>> have words. If I admit I don’t have a road bike or mountain bike people 
>> assume hybrid bike from big box store = not a serious rider. I don’t know 
>> what I am. I don’t know what “we” are. Where do bikes 

[RBW] Re: Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[Ryan]

One other thing...I've found most cyclists super-friendly and I spent a 
number of years 80's-90's club riding and had a lot of fun doing it and 
became a much better cyclist because of it. In terms of being a new 
arrival...when I was visiting my sister in Vancouver a number of years ago 
, I was out riding the day after I arrived and assembled my bike when I  
ran into a local club and found some riding buddies to go on large and 
small group rides and the beer and food afterward. So (I doubt I need to 
tell you this), go stick your neck out and you'll find all the good local 
ridesand many groups are very family-friendly as well

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 3:34:53 PM UTC-6 Paul Clifton wrote:

> Like most people have said, you may get some looks, but if you ride like 
> you know what you're doing, everyone will soften up really quickly.
>
> Groups can all be really different, so if you show up and the vibe's not 
> fun - then ditch the ride and go lone wolf and try again when you feel like 
> it with a different group. Don't get discouraged if the first group isn't 
> for you. I have peeled off after 5 miles so many times it feels like a joke 
> now. Whether it's a group I just don't want to stay with or maybe I'm just 
> not feeling like doing a climb, I just say "Hey, I'm ditching. Don't worry. 
> I know my way home and have tools. Thanks for the ride. I'll see you 
> around." Everyone has always said "Have fun, see ya later" and been totally 
> cool with it and not offended or anything.
>
> You can almost certainly keep up with any "no-drop" ride. They tend to 
> stick to 15-18 mph or slower, with stops to regroup at major turns, if 
> needed. They also tend to exist to get newer riders more comfortable with 
> group riding, so you're bound to find one you like. I think you'd find an 
> average speed of less than 13mph really slow, but that's just a guesstimate.
>
> The training rides and drop rides will frequently post an average speed, 
> and if not, someone familiar with the scene will know, but expect 18-20+ 
> mph average for roadies on a training ride.
>
> More than likely though, I suspect you'll be surprised at how fit you are 
> compared to others on the rides. When you "just ride" most of the time, it 
> turns out it keeps you fit enough to keep up with most cyclists. It's only 
> the ones who commit themselves to speed and strength that will actually be 
> stronger and faster than you, and there really aren't THAT many of those 
> guys in any given town. 
>
> Everyone else is just riding with more steps (clothes, groups, trackers, 
> etc.).
>
> You won't find anything advertised as a "country ride" or whatever though. 
> You'll just have to look at route maps and pick something that seems 
> appealing. 
>
> As for large organized rides - they are usually ride-your-own-ride, and 
> you'll meet and cruise with a ton of people over the course of the day. No 
> need to worry about the group dynamics as long as you can cover the 
> distance in the allotted time.
>
> Paul in AR
>
> P.S. I just call myself a cyclist. Or a cycling enthusiast. That helps 
> convince people that I know more about my bikes than they do and that they 
> should go on a ride with me and see if it's fun. It's usually fun, except 
> when I take roadies on single track - they hate that. :)
>
>
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 8:31:09 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 0168267B-AB4E-4252-B2D2-09FC827BCB73.jpeg]We recently moved to 
>> SW Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing from Eben Weiss, The Bike 
>> Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real Life Bike Friends here. This List 
>> has really been a gift to me, but it has also made me want more: I want 
>>  REAL people and REAL experiences with them. I have found a shop that hosts 
>> rides of various kinds 9 months out of the year. There is hope!
>>
>> The trouble is: I don’t know what I am, and neither does anyone else. 
>>
>> I have never done a group ride. I don’t know how fast or slow I am, and I 
>> don’t know how far I can go. I don’t know etiquette or what would tick off 
>> other riders in the group. (My “group rides” were with my 2 sons on the way 
>> to school. And it’s true that you learn a rhythm that works for your group 
>> and on the rare occasion my husband got included, he made us all nervous.) 
>> I would like to have a good first experience and not be a drag for a group. 
>> I think failure would send me right back into Lone Wolfdom. I suppose I 
>> will just have to risk it.
>>
>> When I say I ride, everyone thinks Roadie, and then they think of their 
>> friend who is also a Roadie and want to plan a meeting for us. Now, I doubt 
>> I’m going to keep up with a group of road bikes on my Platypus. When I say 
>> I don’t have a road bike, the person will say, “Oh, you like to mountain 
>> bike!” When I try to explain, try to say what it is that I ride, I don’t 
>> have words. If I admit I don’t have a road bike or 

Re: [RBW] Re: Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[Leah Peterson]

Ian and John - there’s an app for this? Will investigate! I didn’t even know a 
MeetUp Group was a bike group. Never heard of it. Thanks!

> On Jan 17, 2022, at 12:57 PM, Ian A  wrote:
> 
> You might be able to find a MeetUp Group or Touring Cyclist  style group , 
> neither tend to be competitive. Randonneur clubs often have a Populaire which 
> is typically a full day style 100km (60mile) ride and every type of rider 
> shows up to those, even parent/child tandem riders and it is a lot of fun.
> 
> If there is no MeetUp Group on your area or nothing that is what you are 
> looking for, there is an opportunity to start one and see how it goes. When I 
> lived in Vancouver, I started group riding with a MeetUp Group on Saturdays 
> and it was fun for a while. Then I found the BC Randonneurs and that was 
> fantastic until I rode off to Tierra del Fuego. Distance riding got under my 
> skin!
> 
> IanA (back north in) Alberta Canada 
> 
>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 7:31:09 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> We recently moved to SW Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing from 
>> Eben Weiss, The Bike Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real Life Bike 
>> Friends here. This List has really been a gift to me, but it has also made 
>> me want more: I want  REAL people and REAL experiences with them. I have 
>> found a shop that hosts rides of various kinds 9 months out of the year. 
>> There is hope!
>> 
>> The trouble is: I don’t know what I am, and neither does anyone else. 
>> 
>> I have never done a group ride. I don’t know how fast or slow I am, and I 
>> don’t know how far I can go. I don’t know etiquette or what would tick off 
>> other riders in the group. (My “group rides” were with my 2 sons on the way 
>> to school. And it’s true that you learn a rhythm that works for your group 
>> and on the rare occasion my husband got included, he made us all nervous.) I 
>> would like to have a good first experience and not be a drag for a group. I 
>> think failure would send me right back into Lone Wolfdom. I suppose I will 
>> just have to risk it.
>> 
>> When I say I ride, everyone thinks Roadie, and then they think of their 
>> friend who is also a Roadie and want to plan a meeting for us. Now, I doubt 
>> I’m going to keep up with a group of road bikes on my Platypus. When I say I 
>> don’t have a road bike, the person will say, “Oh, you like to mountain 
>> bike!” When I try to explain, try to say what it is that I ride, I don’t 
>> have words. If I admit I don’t have a road bike or mountain bike people 
>> assume hybrid bike from big box store = not a serious rider. I don’t know 
>> what I am. I don’t know what “we” are. Where do bikes like ours fit? Who do 
>> we ride with?
>> 
>> In looking at local events online, it seems there are Roadies and there are 
>> Gravel Kings (my own term). If I roll up on my fendered, raspberry sparkle 
>> Platypus, both groups will be uncomfortable. 
>> 
>> My shop did mention some community rides, and those I will try, though I 
>> suspect they might be short and slow for my taste. There are some very 
>> exciting events state-wide here, but they do seem to be geared to road 
>> bikers. I admit that I know very little about bike culture here, and talking 
>> to real people might open up a lot of possibilities. Where are these people 
>> I can talk to?!
>> 
>> The locals tell me spring will be here in March. I’ve got 2 months to figure 
>> out where I fit, Rivsters. 
>> 
>> Who can relate? Who has words of wisdom? Who just wants to commiserate? Are 
>> we the outcasts of bike culture or are we unicorns? Where are we in the 
>> Velotaxonomy? How do we make the cool people take us seriously? Should I buy 
>> Lycra? 
>> 
>> What I wouldn’t give for a couple of RivSisters living locally…
>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[Leah Peterson]

Ryan - I hope they can overlook the mixte frame and sweepy bars and admire the 
bike, I really do. Maybe change their minds when they see what a great bike it 
is and that it isn’t slow. I am used to punishing hills and triple digit temps, 
and I hope that counts for something and gives me some advantage for keeping up 
on a heavier bike if I try one of these rides.

Group rides. I am getting the feeling from the many responses I’ve received 
that asking to go on a “Group Ride” might equate to peloton or race or club 
ride. I might be using the wrong term. I just mean getting a group of people 
together on a route. And not to do it in as little time as possible. I would 
love a destination - coffee or lunch - and that might be something I do have to 
organize. It might not exist. And what would it be called???

Leah

> On Jan 17, 2022, at 12:45 PM, Ryan  wrote:
> 
> What I think, Leah
> 
> You'll find your people, I'm sure...yeah, just check out local rides and see 
> what you think. Probably first on your hit-list is a good, local LBS 
> 
> I wouldn't lose any sleep  over what the cool kids think. You're a bike rider 
> and I think your Platypi will draw lots of admirers...and since you are very 
> fit and athletic, it wouldn't surprise me if you drop a few of the kitted-out 
> wannabees...if that means anything to you
> 
> My .002 from 50+ years of riding with not a smidge of racing
> 
> Ryan in Winnipeg
> 
>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 11:13:57 AM UTC-6 george schick wrote:
>> Leah wrote:  "...The locals tell me spring will be here in March. I’ve got 2 
>> months..."  I don't want to throw a wet blanket on any enthusiasm here, but 
>> I wouldn't necessarily get my hopes to fired up about that date.  True, 
>> "meteorological" Spring begins March 1st, but we've had some really nasty, 
>> snowy weather during that month in these parts of the Midwest in recent 
>> years.  So you may have more time to figure it out after all.
>> 
>>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 8:31:09 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>> We recently moved to SW Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing from 
>>> Eben Weiss, The Bike Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real Life Bike 
>>> Friends here. This List has really been a gift to me, but it has also made 
>>> me want more: I want  REAL people and REAL experiences with them. I have 
>>> found a shop that hosts rides of various kinds 9 months out of the year. 
>>> There is hope!
>>> 
>>> The trouble is: I don’t know what I am, and neither does anyone else. 
>>> 
>>> I have never done a group ride. I don’t know how fast or slow I am, and I 
>>> don’t know how far I can go. I don’t know etiquette or what would tick off 
>>> other riders in the group. (My “group rides” were with my 2 sons on the way 
>>> to school. And it’s true that you learn a rhythm that works for your group 
>>> and on the rare occasion my husband got included, he made us all nervous.) 
>>> I would like to have a good first experience and not be a drag for a group. 
>>> I think failure would send me right back into Lone Wolfdom. I suppose I 
>>> will just have to risk it.
>>> 
>>> When I say I ride, everyone thinks Roadie, and then they think of their 
>>> friend who is also a Roadie and want to plan a meeting for us. Now, I doubt 
>>> I’m going to keep up with a group of road bikes on my Platypus. When I say 
>>> I don’t have a road bike, the person will say, “Oh, you like to mountain 
>>> bike!” When I try to explain, try to say what it is that I ride, I don’t 
>>> have words. If I admit I don’t have a road bike or mountain bike people 
>>> assume hybrid bike from big box store = not a serious rider. I don’t know 
>>> what I am. I don’t know what “we” are. Where do bikes like ours fit? Who do 
>>> we ride with?
>>> 
>>> In looking at local events online, it seems there are Roadies and there are 
>>> Gravel Kings (my own term). If I roll up on my fendered, raspberry sparkle 
>>> Platypus, both groups will be uncomfortable. 
>>> 
>>> My shop did mention some community rides, and those I will try, though I 
>>> suspect they might be short and slow for my taste. There are some very 
>>> exciting events state-wide here, but they do seem to be geared to road 
>>> bikers. I admit that I know very little about bike culture here, and 
>>> talking to real people might open up a lot of possibilities. Where are 
>>> these people I can talk to?!
>>> 
>>> The locals tell me spring will be here in March. I’ve got 2 months to 
>>> figure out where I fit, Rivsters. 
>>> 
>>> Who can relate? Who has words of wisdom? Who just wants to commiserate? Are 
>>> we the outcasts of bike culture or are we unicorns? Where are we in the 
>>> Velotaxonomy? How do we make the cool people take us seriously? Should I 
>>> buy Lycra? 
>>> 
>>> What I wouldn’t give for a couple of RivSisters living locally…
>>> Leah
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Re: [RBW] Re: Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[Leah Peterson]

Tom - how fascinating. So glad to hear you’re starting a country bike group - 
that’s a thread I would be most interested to read if you will post it. I 
didn’t realize the Amish didn’t already cycle. Wonderful!

Your report about Roadies lecturing you about your bars was an immediate 
turn-off. I am pretty sure I can keep up with the 15-18 mps group easily but 
not if they espouse the attitude you just mentioned. Nope. And I’m never giving 
up my Billie Bars. I’ll reach out to Marc! Thanks for that!
Leah

> On Jan 17, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Tom Palmer  wrote:
> 
> Hi Leah,
> I am near Muskegon, about 1.5 hours away, so not sure of your local 
> opportunities. Here there are groups for all rider levels. You will get looks 
> riding your Platy on  a group ride, guaranteed. The culture is you have to 
> look fast on your carbon no matter how slow you ride. I rode a few group 
> rides with Albatross bars and a couple of the hard core roadies in A (fast) 
> group gave me a hard time expressing anything other than a drop bar is 
> dangerous to the other riders with those wide bars. I wasn't. The attitude 
> was that I would be slow too. I rode with the b group- 15-18mph average, 
> which is easier than it sounds. The group draft is a wonderful thing for 
> feeling fast. You will probably have to just go and charm them with your 
> beautiful Platypus and wonderful nature.  As a side not, I am starting a 
> "country bike" group this year at my new favorite bikeshop owned by an Amish 
> man. The Amish group allowed pedal bikes about 6 years ago and they have 
> really taken to it. I saw young men in their everyday clothing(no lycra here) 
> riding very nice road bikes the other day in the snow. The owner expects a 
> decent turnout from the Amish community for the rides. There are great gravel 
> and rural roads right from the shop and he sells very Rivish/Bobish bikes and 
> accessories, fenders, chunky tires, studded tires, lights, etc. They would 
> love your bikes. 
> Marc Irwin lives in Kalamazoo and may be able to clue you in better. Simply 
> Cycle is his blog- http://simplecycle-marc.blogspot.com/ 
> Hope the cold weather is not too hard on your family, spring will be here 
> before you know it.
> Tom Palmer
> Twin Lake, MI
> 
>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 9:31:09 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> We recently moved to SW Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing from 
>> Eben Weiss, The Bike Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real Life Bike 
>> Friends here. This List has really been a gift to me, but it has also made 
>> me want more: I want  REAL people and REAL experiences with them. I have 
>> found a shop that hosts rides of various kinds 9 months out of the year. 
>> There is hope!
>> 
>> The trouble is: I don’t know what I am, and neither does anyone else. 
>> 
>> I have never done a group ride. I don’t know how fast or slow I am, and I 
>> don’t know how far I can go. I don’t know etiquette or what would tick off 
>> other riders in the group. (My “group rides” were with my 2 sons on the way 
>> to school. And it’s true that you learn a rhythm that works for your group 
>> and on the rare occasion my husband got included, he made us all nervous.) I 
>> would like to have a good first experience and not be a drag for a group. I 
>> think failure would send me right back into Lone Wolfdom. I suppose I will 
>> just have to risk it.
>> 
>> When I say I ride, everyone thinks Roadie, and then they think of their 
>> friend who is also a Roadie and want to plan a meeting for us. Now, I doubt 
>> I’m going to keep up with a group of road bikes on my Platypus. When I say I 
>> don’t have a road bike, the person will say, “Oh, you like to mountain 
>> bike!” When I try to explain, try to say what it is that I ride, I don’t 
>> have words. If I admit I don’t have a road bike or mountain bike people 
>> assume hybrid bike from big box store = not a serious rider. I don’t know 
>> what I am. I don’t know what “we” are. Where do bikes like ours fit? Who do 
>> we ride with?
>> 
>> In looking at local events online, it seems there are Roadies and there are 
>> Gravel Kings (my own term). If I roll up on my fendered, raspberry sparkle 
>> Platypus, both groups will be uncomfortable. 
>> 
>> My shop did mention some community rides, and those I will try, though I 
>> suspect they might be short and slow for my taste. There are some very 
>> exciting events state-wide here, but they do seem to be geared to road 
>> bikers. I admit that I know very little about bike culture here, and talking 
>> to real people might open up a lot of possibilities. Where are these people 
>> I can talk to?!
>> 
>> The locals tell me spring will be here in March. I’ve got 2 months to figure 
>> out where I fit, Rivsters. 
>> 
>> Who can relate? Who has words of wisdom? Who just wants to commiserate? Are 
>> we the outcasts of bike culture or are we unicorns? Where are we in the 
>> Velotaxonomy? How do we make the 

[RBW] Re: Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[Paul Clifton]

Like most people have said, you may get some looks, but if you ride like 
you know what you're doing, everyone will soften up really quickly.

Groups can all be really different, so if you show up and the vibe's not 
fun - then ditch the ride and go lone wolf and try again when you feel like 
it with a different group. Don't get discouraged if the first group isn't 
for you. I have peeled off after 5 miles so many times it feels like a joke 
now. Whether it's a group I just don't want to stay with or maybe I'm just 
not feeling like doing a climb, I just say "Hey, I'm ditching. Don't worry. 
I know my way home and have tools. Thanks for the ride. I'll see you 
around." Everyone has always said "Have fun, see ya later" and been totally 
cool with it and not offended or anything.

You can almost certainly keep up with any "no-drop" ride. They tend to 
stick to 15-18 mph or slower, with stops to regroup at major turns, if 
needed. They also tend to exist to get newer riders more comfortable with 
group riding, so you're bound to find one you like. I think you'd find an 
average speed of less than 13mph really slow, but that's just a guesstimate.

The training rides and drop rides will frequently post an average speed, 
and if not, someone familiar with the scene will know, but expect 18-20+ 
mph average for roadies on a training ride.

More than likely though, I suspect you'll be surprised at how fit you are 
compared to others on the rides. When you "just ride" most of the time, it 
turns out it keeps you fit enough to keep up with most cyclists. It's only 
the ones who commit themselves to speed and strength that will actually be 
stronger and faster than you, and there really aren't THAT many of those 
guys in any given town. 

Everyone else is just riding with more steps (clothes, groups, trackers, 
etc.).

You won't find anything advertised as a "country ride" or whatever though. 
You'll just have to look at route maps and pick something that seems 
appealing. 

As for large organized rides - they are usually ride-your-own-ride, and 
you'll meet and cruise with a ton of people over the course of the day. No 
need to worry about the group dynamics as long as you can cover the 
distance in the allotted time.

Paul in AR

P.S. I just call myself a cyclist. Or a cycling enthusiast. That helps 
convince people that I know more about my bikes than they do and that they 
should go on a ride with me and see if it's fun. It's usually fun, except 
when I take roadies on single track - they hate that. :)


On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 8:31:09 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: 0168267B-AB4E-4252-B2D2-09FC827BCB73.jpeg]We recently moved to SW 
> Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing from Eben Weiss, The Bike 
> Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real Life Bike Friends here. This List 
> has really been a gift to me, but it has also made me want more: I want 
>  REAL people and REAL experiences with them. I have found a shop that hosts 
> rides of various kinds 9 months out of the year. There is hope!
>
> The trouble is: I don’t know what I am, and neither does anyone else. 
>
> I have never done a group ride. I don’t know how fast or slow I am, and I 
> don’t know how far I can go. I don’t know etiquette or what would tick off 
> other riders in the group. (My “group rides” were with my 2 sons on the way 
> to school. And it’s true that you learn a rhythm that works for your group 
> and on the rare occasion my husband got included, he made us all nervous.) 
> I would like to have a good first experience and not be a drag for a group. 
> I think failure would send me right back into Lone Wolfdom. I suppose I 
> will just have to risk it.
>
> When I say I ride, everyone thinks Roadie, and then they think of their 
> friend who is also a Roadie and want to plan a meeting for us. Now, I doubt 
> I’m going to keep up with a group of road bikes on my Platypus. When I say 
> I don’t have a road bike, the person will say, “Oh, you like to mountain 
> bike!” When I try to explain, try to say what it is that I ride, I don’t 
> have words. If I admit I don’t have a road bike or mountain bike people 
> assume hybrid bike from big box store = not a serious rider. I don’t know 
> what I am. I don’t know what “we” are. Where do bikes like ours fit? Who do 
> we ride with?
>
> In looking at local events online, it seems there are Roadies and there 
> are Gravel Kings (my own term). If I roll up on my fendered, raspberry 
> sparkle Platypus, both groups will be uncomfortable. 
>
> My shop did mention some community rides, and those I will try, though I 
> suspect they might be short and slow for my taste. There are some very 
> exciting events state-wide here, but they do seem to be geared to road 
> bikers. I admit that I know very little about bike culture here, and 
> talking to real people might open up a lot of possibilities. Where are 
> these people I can talk to?!
>
> The locals tell me spring 

[RBW] Re: Anticipating the 13-42 7 speed cassette

[lconley]

I would not want something like this, the larger 24-30-36-42 - all 6 teeth 
apart. I think the last gear should be your bail-out gear, the others 
should be closer together,  Who really needs two or three gears in the 20's 
or 30's, if you are not racing uphill? That is why I like the 7 speed 
freewheel that Rivendell sells - 14-16-18-20-22-24-34, 5 gaps of 2 and 1 
gap of 10. If you only have seven gears, let 6 of them be useful most of 
the time, instead of 3 or 4. With my 44 tooth chainwheel, I have 6 gears 
from 50 to 85, and a 35 for bail-out. Of course, I do live in Florida. If I 
lived in a more mountainous area, just reduce the chainring - I coast down 
hill.

Laing
Who has 1x1, 1x2, 1x3, 1x7, 1x8, 1x11, 2x2, 2x5, 2x6, 2x9, 2x11, 3x5, 3x6, 
3x7, and 3x9 bikes and mostly rides 1x1 and 1x7.
On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 3:38:14 PM UTC-5 Scott G. wrote:

> Soma Fab aka Merry Sales has a S-Ride 11-42 8 Speed, 
> 11-13-16-20-24-30-36-42t
>
> So drop the 11t for 7s, voila 13-42, the 42 cog is alloy.
>
>
> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/590844-s-ride-cassette-8sp-11-42t-cs-m200-5798?category=736
>
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 2:31:07 PM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> I run a 7 speed with a 3x front on my old touring bike (deerhead front 
>> DR). It's a great bike and I love that I can go fast with a 48, truck along 
>> with a 39, or spin endlessly with a 28 all with barcons easily accessible. 
>> WIder span would be really nice, but 32-34 rear cog is suitable.  I also 
>> really like my 40/26 on my camping bike (romanceur) Ran it w/o a front 
>> derailer for a few years and would kick shift it with my foot to downshift 
>> in emergency bail outs and use a stick to pop the chain back on. 
>> Essentially a 1X. it was OK. Eventually i found a suitable old campy fr DR. 
>> 1x with huge rear cogs looks tErRrible in my opinion and ruin the flow of 
>> the bike, especially on traditional diamond frames. I am currently working 
>> with a frame builder to build me a singer style suicide lever/shifter. 
>>
>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 7:48:34 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> I still run 7 speed *freewheels* on two of my Rivendells . Like the 7 
>>> speed cassettes, it allows almost zero dish on a 135mm hub. Hopefully, the 
>>> 7 speed cassettes will be individual sprockets and not all riveted together 
>>> on common carriers so that one can customize their own gearing. I really 
>>> like the new 14-34 Shimano freewheel that Riv sells for only $18!!! (when 
>>> in stock.) I am getting ready to put an NOS 12-34 Suntour New Winner (was 
>>> somewhat more than $18) on the Bombadil with Ultegra 8 speed shifters on 
>>> Rivendell thumb shifter mounts so I can hopefully index my Altus.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 7:06:24 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>>>
 Ray, I'm another one of the few anticipating the arrival of the 7 speed 
 cassette. I'm a long time user of 7 and 8 speed cogs so I'll also be a 
 buyer.

 Best,
 Rich in ATL

 On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 12:29:25 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:

> Am I one of the few who thinks this is a great option. 
> I applaud Merry Sales for their continued support of everyday 
> practical bike gear.
> I will definitely get a couple. 
> I am just as eagerly awaiting Rivendell’s V- brake and rear derailer. 
> Thank you once again Grant. 
>
> Ray
>


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Re: [RBW] Re: Microshift thumb shifters with Tosco / Bosco

[Abe Gardner]

These are from Planex (uk). They’re like the Origin8 “brief” bar ends but these 
hook upward at the end, the Origin8 hooks inward (and not up). 

The PlanetX model is more of a “on the hoods” feeling and I like it 
significantly more the the Origin8 Briefs. But I’ve broken my wrists several 
times so my biomechanical whatnot may be different from others. That said, 
highly recommend the PlaneX model. Cheap (like $10) but you’ll want to add it 
to an order with several other items as the shipping is costly. 

Abe

> On Jan 17, 2022, at 12:30 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:
> 
> Brand? Origin 8?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jan 17, 2022, at 10:24 AM, Pancake  wrote:
>>> 
>> Not aeroI extensions but bar end extensions, just mounted inward of the 
>> grips/brakes levers … it’s like having an “on the hoods” position that’s  
>> more forward … but on my wide upright bars that are more “sit up and beg” by 
>> nature. Strongly recommended. 
>> 
>>> On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 15:53:19 UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Thank You! Helpful. What are those aero extensions? 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Jan 16, 2022, at 1:14 PM, Pancake  wrote:
> 
 Sunrace and Silver shifters mounted on Boscos and Toscos on a few 
 different bikes (Sam Hillborne, Cheviot, Rosco Baby):
>>> 
 
 https://imgur.com/a/okkbnmI
 
 Abe
> On Saturday, 15 January 2022 at 15:34:20 UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
> Microshift thumb shifters. I like them! Where do most folks place them on 
> your Tosco / Bosco bars? Mine are on top about one inch beyond the first 
> downward bend ahead of the grips / brake levers.  The shifting from this 
> location is ok if you are not in a hurry, which I basically am not. They 
> (shifters) provide a nice "stop" when I want to slide my hands slightly 
> forward of the grips. But, the shifters make sliding further down the bar 
> a little difficult. Does anyone rotate the shifters to be in a position 
> closer to modern triggers so that you do not need to move your hands to 
> shift? I guess bar ends would accomplish this?
 
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[RBW] FS: Nitto Losco (Black/540mm) and Nitto UI-75 (28.6/25.4/120mm)

[Calvin Yolo]

$100 shipped. Would prefer to sell both at the same time but can part out 
if there's any interest.

*Nitto Losco bars (black)*
Handle clamp: 25.4mm
Handle diameter: 22.2mm
Inside diameter: 19mm
Width: 540mm(C-C)

*Nitto UI-75 threadless stem*
Handlebar clamp diameter : 25.4mm
Length : 120mm
Steerer clamp diameter: 28.6mm

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[RBW] Re: Anticipating the 13-42 7 speed cassette

[Scott G.]

Soma Fab aka Merry Sales has a S-Ride 11-42 8 Speed, 
11-13-16-20-24-30-36-42t

So drop the 11t for 7s, voila 13-42, the 42 cog is alloy.

https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/590844-s-ride-cassette-8sp-11-42t-cs-m200-5798?category=736

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 2:31:07 PM UTC-5 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> I run a 7 speed with a 3x front on my old touring bike (deerhead front 
> DR). It's a great bike and I love that I can go fast with a 48, truck along 
> with a 39, or spin endlessly with a 28 all with barcons easily accessible. 
> WIder span would be really nice, but 32-34 rear cog is suitable.  I also 
> really like my 40/26 on my camping bike (romanceur) Ran it w/o a front 
> derailer for a few years and would kick shift it with my foot to downshift 
> in emergency bail outs and use a stick to pop the chain back on. 
> Essentially a 1X. it was OK. Eventually i found a suitable old campy fr DR. 
> 1x with huge rear cogs looks tErRrible in my opinion and ruin the flow of 
> the bike, especially on traditional diamond frames. I am currently working 
> with a frame builder to build me a singer style suicide lever/shifter. 
>
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 7:48:34 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:
>
>> I still run 7 speed *freewheels* on two of my Rivendells . Like the 7 
>> speed cassettes, it allows almost zero dish on a 135mm hub. Hopefully, the 
>> 7 speed cassettes will be individual sprockets and not all riveted together 
>> on common carriers so that one can customize their own gearing. I really 
>> like the new 14-34 Shimano freewheel that Riv sells for only $18!!! (when 
>> in stock.) I am getting ready to put an NOS 12-34 Suntour New Winner (was 
>> somewhat more than $18) on the Bombadil with Ultegra 8 speed shifters on 
>> Rivendell thumb shifter mounts so I can hopefully index my Altus.
>>
>> Laing
>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 7:06:24 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Ray, I'm another one of the few anticipating the arrival of the 7 speed 
>>> cassette. I'm a long time user of 7 and 8 speed cogs so I'll also be a 
>>> buyer.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 12:29:25 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>>>
 Am I one of the few who thinks this is a great option. 
 I applaud Merry Sales for their continued support of everyday practical 
 bike gear.
 I will definitely get a couple. 
 I am just as eagerly awaiting Rivendell’s V- brake and rear derailer. 
 Thank you once again Grant. 

 Ray

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Microshift thumb shifters with Tosco / Bosco

[Richard Rose]

Brand? Origin 8?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 17, 2022, at 10:24 AM, Pancake  wrote:
> 
> Not aeroI extensions but bar end extensions, just mounted inward of the 
> grips/brakes levers … it’s like having an “on the hoods” position that’s  
> more forward … but on my wide upright bars that are more “sit up and beg” by 
> nature. Strongly recommended. 
> 
>> On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 15:53:19 UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Thank You! Helpful. What are those aero extensions? 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jan 16, 2022, at 1:14 PM, Pancake  wrote:
 
>>> Sunrace and Silver shifters mounted on Boscos and Toscos on a few 
>>> different bikes (Sam Hillborne, Cheviot, Rosco Baby):
>> 
>>> 
>>> https://imgur.com/a/okkbnmI
>>> 
>>> Abe
 On Saturday, 15 January 2022 at 15:34:20 UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
 Microshift thumb shifters. I like them! Where do most folks place them on 
 your Tosco / Bosco bars? Mine are on top about one inch beyond the first 
 downward bend ahead of the grips / brake levers.  The shifting from this 
 location is ok if you are not in a hurry, which I basically am not. They 
 (shifters) provide a nice "stop" when I want to slide my hands slightly 
 forward of the grips. But, the shifters make sliding further down the bar 
 a little difficult. Does anyone rotate the shifters to be in a position 
 closer to modern triggers so that you do not need to move your hands to 
 shift? I guess bar ends would accomplish this?
>>> 
>> 
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Re: [RBW] New Roadinis will have clearance for 42 mm tires

[Scott Calhoun]

Count me among those with no enthusiasm for 55-73mm long reach caliper 
brakes. IME, much worse performance than medium 47-57mm reach brakes. In 
the medium reach format, one has several high quality brake options: Velo 
Orange Grand Cru, TRP 957, and Paul Racer M. In long reach calipers, 
especially now that the Paul Racer regulars have been discontinued, there 
are no high performance options to my knowledge.

I would have prefered sticking with the medium reach, or going to canti 
posts if wider than 38mm tires is a must.





On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 8:38:54 AM UTC-7 Pancake wrote:

> I was excited for a Charles H Gallop too, but no v-brakes means I’m out. 
> Wish I could snag that prototype, because that is just an ideal setup. 
>
> But the Sam Hillborne also started with long reach brakes (like mine) and 
> eventually made its way to canti/V-brake posts so hopefully CHG goes the 
> same way and sooner than later. 
>
> Abe
>
> On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 09:38:06 UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> Yeah, I was really looking forward to the CHG, but the long reach brakes 
>> kill it for me. 
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>>> I am a little shocked that they are apparently bringing that change over 
>>> to the Charlie Gallop too. Instead of the V-brake/cantilever setup that the 
>>> previous prototype had. Since they are designing their own V brakes that 
>>> look to be quite nice it seems that they would push the bikes toward that. 
>>> The only reason I can think that they would make that change is because 
>>> sidepulls are a little more common on road style bikes. But making a 
>>> decision based only on aesthetics seems counter to how Rivendell normally 
>>> does things.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 11:48:38 AM UTC-5 Linda G wrote:
>>>
 I'm so glad I bought my Roadini frame before this change! The 559 
 brakes do not work for me: poor power in dry conditions and unusable in 
 wet. I find that 33mm tires have plenty of cush and 42's would probably 
 create toe overlap on a 50 size frame. I'm grateful to have found a 
 Rivendell frame that works for me. 
 [image: DSC00040.JPG]

 On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 9:46:12 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:

> I saw today the announcement that the new Roadinis are niw designed 
> for R559 brakes and will easily clear 42 mm tires. Good news, as far as 
> I’m 
> concerned! The only thing I am slightly sad about is that they aren’t 
> coming in grilver, which is THE color for the Roadini, in my opinion. 
> That 
> may be influenced by my love for the silver gray imron paint on early 
> 80’s 
> Treks. Regardless, if I have a  job by then, I may have to get one.
>
> Eamon
> Seattle 
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[RBW] Re: Anticipating the 13-42 7 speed cassette

[Mackenzy Albright]

I run a 7 speed with a 3x front on my old touring bike (deerhead front DR). 
It's a great bike and I love that I can go fast with a 48, truck along with 
a 39, or spin endlessly with a 28 all with barcons easily accessible. WIder 
span would be really nice, but 32-34 rear cog is suitable.  I also really 
like my 40/26 on my camping bike (romanceur) Ran it w/o a front derailer 
for a few years and would kick shift it with my foot to downshift in 
emergency bail outs and use a stick to pop the chain back on. Essentially a 
1X. it was OK. Eventually i found a suitable old campy fr DR. 1x with huge 
rear cogs looks tErRrible in my opinion and ruin the flow of the bike, 
especially on traditional diamond frames. I am currently working with a 
frame builder to build me a singer style suicide lever/shifter. 

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 7:48:34 AM UTC-7 lconley wrote:

> I still run 7 speed *freewheels* on two of my Rivendells . Like the 7 
> speed cassettes, it allows almost zero dish on a 135mm hub. Hopefully, the 
> 7 speed cassettes will be individual sprockets and not all riveted together 
> on common carriers so that one can customize their own gearing. I really 
> like the new 14-34 Shimano freewheel that Riv sells for only $18!!! (when 
> in stock.) I am getting ready to put an NOS 12-34 Suntour New Winner (was 
> somewhat more than $18) on the Bombadil with Ultegra 8 speed shifters on 
> Rivendell thumb shifter mounts so I can hopefully index my Altus.
>
> Laing
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 7:06:24 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>
>> Ray, I'm another one of the few anticipating the arrival of the 7 speed 
>> cassette. I'm a long time user of 7 and 8 speed cogs so I'll also be a 
>> buyer.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 12:29:25 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>>
>>> Am I one of the few who thinks this is a great option. 
>>> I applaud Merry Sales for their continued support of everyday practical 
>>> bike gear.
>>> I will definitely get a couple. 
>>> I am just as eagerly awaiting Rivendell’s V- brake and rear derailer. 
>>> Thank you once again Grant. 
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Clem for bikepacking?

[Richard Rose]

Cool, thanks!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 17, 2022, at 11:51 AM, Matt Maceda  wrote:
> 
> Here's how I loaded my Clem L for seven or so days on the road (OAK - SLO, 
> very slow). I regret not having a rack for panniers; it was a pain digging 
> around and packing the Nelson longflaps with not enough room for my gear. 
> Having more bags would have helped spreading items out for easy access and 
> packing. In any case, Clem L handles really well while carrying gear and 
> feels acceptably "fast" for multi day touring.
> 
>> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 9:56:36 AM UTC-8 meti...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I certainly plan to pack my new Clem L for camping! 
>> 
>> Long ago I spent weeks in Europe (on several different trips) on a 
>> packed-out Motobecane Grand Touring bike with skinny little tires. I added a 
>> temporary Blackburn rear rack, slapped some panniers on it, threw some sort 
>> of front-bar bag on the handlebars, and despite tons of flats (we eventually 
>> stuck to the roads rather than gravel trails), the bike did fine and we had 
>> a blast. I’m sure it wasn’t pretty, but it was wonderful, and now I can flip 
>> a bike over and whip out a tube change like nobody’s business. 
>> 
>> (I’ve traveled a number of the Adventure Cycling Association routes the same 
>> way, too, Jeff, and it was so much fun to see how other bicyclists handled 
>> their gear. We can complicate the most simple experiences, and I want to be 
>> more like those easy travelers…they make me laugh)
>> 
>> Anything will work, if you let it. :) Have fun on your bike-camping trips.
>> 
>> Liz
>> 
>> 
>>> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 11:53:35 AM UTC-5 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>>> I agree with John G: pretty much any bike can be used for 
>>> cyclotouring/bikepacking.  I don't have a Clem (I have a Rambouillet), but 
>>> Grant designs framesets with strength and reliability in mind.  It is 
>>> steel, so absolutely, it should be fine.
>>> 
>>> If you ever have a chance to visit Adventure Cycling Association's (ACA) HQ 
>>> in Missoula, MT, you can see many of the original rigs that were used.  
>>> Absolutely fascinating.  They just took what was available and invented 
>>> solutions.  Those folks were animals, too: you gotta check out the tall 
>>> gearing they had.  At the same time, they were young and in the prime of 
>>> their lives.
>>> 
>>> Fast forward to 2022: there are so many gadgets now to enable one to attach 
>>> something to your frame and fork.  Check out Bikepacking.com for a complete 
>>> rundown.  They have a wealth of information.  Be careful though: it is a 
>>> true rabbit hole.  It's like going to REI.  You just keep buying stuff!  
>>> 
>>> In 2017 we used (because they were one of the first to market) King Cage 
>>> USBs (Universal Support Bolts).  Extremely handy and strong.  We used sets 
>>> of them to support King Cage Manything Cages on our forks for the Great 
>>> Divide.  They were truly tested: because we could be cycling through areas 
>>> with no water sources for our water purifier, we carried 3-liter containers 
>>> of water.  Note: there are now several solutions out there in addition to 
>>> the King Cage USB.
>>> 
>>> Enjoy and have fun!
>>> 
>>> Jeff
>>> Claremont, CA 
>>> 
>>> P.S.: Voile straps are your friend!!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 7:47:22 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
 Wondering if there are any Clem L owners here using their rig  for 
 bikepacking excursions? Seems like an ideal platform in spite of having no 
 space for a framebag nor fork mounted braze ons for anything or similar 
 cages. I am thinking of front and rear mimimalist racks from Tumbleweed as 
 they include the anything / manything cage mounts. Curious what others 
 might be doing?
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[RBW] Re: Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[JohnS]

Plus 1 for the Meetup app (meetup.com), great way to find like minded 
cyclists in your area. My local bike club uses it to post all of its rides 
from rail to trail rides (flat, 12-14 mph pace) to near race pace roadies 
(18-20 mph with hills), and everything in between.

Good Luck!
JohnS

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 12:57:42 PM UTC-5 Ian A wrote:

> You might be able to find a MeetUp Group or Touring Cyclist  style group , 
> neither tend to be competitive. Randonneur clubs often have a Populaire 
> which is typically a full day style 100km (60mile) ride and every type of 
> rider shows up to those, even parent/child tandem riders and it is a lot of 
> fun.
>
> If there is no MeetUp Group on your area or nothing that is what you are 
> looking for, there is an opportunity to start one and see how it goes. When 
> I lived in Vancouver, I started group riding with a MeetUp Group on 
> Saturdays and it was fun for a while. Then I found the BC Randonneurs and 
> that was fantastic until I rode off to Tierra del Fuego. Distance riding 
> got under my skin!
>
> IanA (back north in) Alberta Canada 
>
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 7:31:09 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 0168267B-AB4E-4252-B2D2-09FC827BCB73.jpeg]We recently moved to 
>> SW Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing from Eben Weiss, The Bike 
>> Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real Life Bike Friends here. This List 
>> has really been a gift to me, but it has also made me want more: I want 
>>  REAL people and REAL experiences with them. I have found a shop that hosts 
>> rides of various kinds 9 months out of the year. There is hope!
>>
>> The trouble is: I don’t know what I am, and neither does anyone else. 
>>
>> I have never done a group ride. I don’t know how fast or slow I am, and I 
>> don’t know how far I can go. I don’t know etiquette or what would tick off 
>> other riders in the group. (My “group rides” were with my 2 sons on the way 
>> to school. And it’s true that you learn a rhythm that works for your group 
>> and on the rare occasion my husband got included, he made us all nervous.) 
>> I would like to have a good first experience and not be a drag for a group. 
>> I think failure would send me right back into Lone Wolfdom. I suppose I 
>> will just have to risk it.
>>
>> When I say I ride, everyone thinks Roadie, and then they think of their 
>> friend who is also a Roadie and want to plan a meeting for us. Now, I doubt 
>> I’m going to keep up with a group of road bikes on my Platypus. When I say 
>> I don’t have a road bike, the person will say, “Oh, you like to mountain 
>> bike!” When I try to explain, try to say what it is that I ride, I don’t 
>> have words. If I admit I don’t have a road bike or mountain bike people 
>> assume hybrid bike from big box store = not a serious rider. I don’t know 
>> what I am. I don’t know what “we” are. Where do bikes like ours fit? Who do 
>> we ride with?
>>
>> In looking at local events online, it seems there are Roadies and there 
>> are Gravel Kings (my own term). If I roll up on my fendered, raspberry 
>> sparkle Platypus, both groups will be uncomfortable. 
>>
>> My shop did mention some community rides, and those I will try, though I 
>> suspect they might be short and slow for my taste. There are some very 
>> exciting events state-wide here, but they do seem to be geared to road 
>> bikers. I admit that I know very little about bike culture here, and 
>> talking to real people might open up a lot of possibilities. Where are 
>> these people I can talk to?!
>>
>> The locals tell me spring will be here in March. I’ve got 2 months to 
>> figure out where I fit, Rivsters. 
>>
>> Who can relate? Who has words of wisdom? Who just wants to commiserate? 
>> Are we the outcasts of bike culture or are we unicorns? Where are we in the 
>> Velotaxonomy? How do we make the cool people take us seriously? Should I 
>> buy Lycra? 
>>
>> What I wouldn’t give for a couple of RivSisters living locally…
>> Leah
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[Ian A]

You might be able to find a MeetUp Group or Touring Cyclist  style group , 
neither tend to be competitive. Randonneur clubs often have a Populaire 
which is typically a full day style 100km (60mile) ride and every type of 
rider shows up to those, even parent/child tandem riders and it is a lot of 
fun.

If there is no MeetUp Group on your area or nothing that is what you are 
looking for, there is an opportunity to start one and see how it goes. When 
I lived in Vancouver, I started group riding with a MeetUp Group on 
Saturdays and it was fun for a while. Then I found the BC Randonneurs and 
that was fantastic until I rode off to Tierra del Fuego. Distance riding 
got under my skin!

IanA (back north in) Alberta Canada 

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 7:31:09 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: 0168267B-AB4E-4252-B2D2-09FC827BCB73.jpeg]We recently moved to SW 
> Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing from Eben Weiss, The Bike 
> Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real Life Bike Friends here. This List 
> has really been a gift to me, but it has also made me want more: I want 
>  REAL people and REAL experiences with them. I have found a shop that hosts 
> rides of various kinds 9 months out of the year. There is hope!
>
> The trouble is: I don’t know what I am, and neither does anyone else. 
>
> I have never done a group ride. I don’t know how fast or slow I am, and I 
> don’t know how far I can go. I don’t know etiquette or what would tick off 
> other riders in the group. (My “group rides” were with my 2 sons on the way 
> to school. And it’s true that you learn a rhythm that works for your group 
> and on the rare occasion my husband got included, he made us all nervous.) 
> I would like to have a good first experience and not be a drag for a group. 
> I think failure would send me right back into Lone Wolfdom. I suppose I 
> will just have to risk it.
>
> When I say I ride, everyone thinks Roadie, and then they think of their 
> friend who is also a Roadie and want to plan a meeting for us. Now, I doubt 
> I’m going to keep up with a group of road bikes on my Platypus. When I say 
> I don’t have a road bike, the person will say, “Oh, you like to mountain 
> bike!” When I try to explain, try to say what it is that I ride, I don’t 
> have words. If I admit I don’t have a road bike or mountain bike people 
> assume hybrid bike from big box store = not a serious rider. I don’t know 
> what I am. I don’t know what “we” are. Where do bikes like ours fit? Who do 
> we ride with?
>
> In looking at local events online, it seems there are Roadies and there 
> are Gravel Kings (my own term). If I roll up on my fendered, raspberry 
> sparkle Platypus, both groups will be uncomfortable. 
>
> My shop did mention some community rides, and those I will try, though I 
> suspect they might be short and slow for my taste. There are some very 
> exciting events state-wide here, but they do seem to be geared to road 
> bikers. I admit that I know very little about bike culture here, and 
> talking to real people might open up a lot of possibilities. Where are 
> these people I can talk to?!
>
> The locals tell me spring will be here in March. I’ve got 2 months to 
> figure out where I fit, Rivsters. 
>
> Who can relate? Who has words of wisdom? Who just wants to commiserate? 
> Are we the outcasts of bike culture or are we unicorns? Where are we in the 
> Velotaxonomy? How do we make the cool people take us seriously? Should I 
> buy Lycra? 
>
> What I wouldn’t give for a couple of RivSisters living locally…
> Leah
>

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[RBW] Re: Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[Ryan]

What I think, Leah

You'll find your people, I'm sure...yeah, just check out local rides and 
see what you think. Probably first on your hit-list is a good, local LBS 

I wouldn't lose any sleep  over what the cool kids think. You're a bike 
rider and I think your Platypi will draw lots of admirers...and since you 
are very fit and athletic, it wouldn't surprise me if you drop a few of the 
kitted-out wannabees...if that means anything to you

My .002 from 50+ years of riding with not a smidge of racing

Ryan in Winnipeg

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 11:13:57 AM UTC-6 george schick wrote:

> Leah wrote:  "...The locals tell me spring will be here in March. I’ve got 
> 2 months..."  I don't want to throw a wet blanket on any enthusiasm here, 
> but I wouldn't necessarily get my hopes to fired up about that date.  True, 
> "meteorological" Spring begins March 1st, but we've had some really nasty, 
> snowy weather during that month in these parts of the Midwest in recent 
> years.  So you may have more time to figure it out after all.
>
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 8:31:09 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 0168267B-AB4E-4252-B2D2-09FC827BCB73.jpeg]We recently moved to 
>> SW Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing from Eben Weiss, The Bike 
>> Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real Life Bike Friends here. This List 
>> has really been a gift to me, but it has also made me want more: I want 
>>  REAL people and REAL experiences with them. I have found a shop that hosts 
>> rides of various kinds 9 months out of the year. There is hope!
>>
>> The trouble is: I don’t know what I am, and neither does anyone else. 
>>
>> I have never done a group ride. I don’t know how fast or slow I am, and I 
>> don’t know how far I can go. I don’t know etiquette or what would tick off 
>> other riders in the group. (My “group rides” were with my 2 sons on the way 
>> to school. And it’s true that you learn a rhythm that works for your group 
>> and on the rare occasion my husband got included, he made us all nervous.) 
>> I would like to have a good first experience and not be a drag for a group. 
>> I think failure would send me right back into Lone Wolfdom. I suppose I 
>> will just have to risk it.
>>
>> When I say I ride, everyone thinks Roadie, and then they think of their 
>> friend who is also a Roadie and want to plan a meeting for us. Now, I doubt 
>> I’m going to keep up with a group of road bikes on my Platypus. When I say 
>> I don’t have a road bike, the person will say, “Oh, you like to mountain 
>> bike!” When I try to explain, try to say what it is that I ride, I don’t 
>> have words. If I admit I don’t have a road bike or mountain bike people 
>> assume hybrid bike from big box store = not a serious rider. I don’t know 
>> what I am. I don’t know what “we” are. Where do bikes like ours fit? Who do 
>> we ride with?
>>
>> In looking at local events online, it seems there are Roadies and there 
>> are Gravel Kings (my own term). If I roll up on my fendered, raspberry 
>> sparkle Platypus, both groups will be uncomfortable. 
>>
>> My shop did mention some community rides, and those I will try, though I 
>> suspect they might be short and slow for my taste. There are some very 
>> exciting events state-wide here, but they do seem to be geared to road 
>> bikers. I admit that I know very little about bike culture here, and 
>> talking to real people might open up a lot of possibilities. Where are 
>> these people I can talk to?!
>>
>> The locals tell me spring will be here in March. I’ve got 2 months to 
>> figure out where I fit, Rivsters. 
>>
>> Who can relate? Who has words of wisdom? Who just wants to commiserate? 
>> Are we the outcasts of bike culture or are we unicorns? Where are we in the 
>> Velotaxonomy? How do we make the cool people take us seriously? Should I 
>> buy Lycra? 
>>
>> What I wouldn’t give for a couple of RivSisters living locally…
>> Leah
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[george schick]

Leah wrote:  "...The locals tell me spring will be here in March. I’ve got 
2 months..."  I don't want to throw a wet blanket on any enthusiasm here, 
but I wouldn't necessarily get my hopes to fired up about that date.  True, 
"meteorological" Spring begins March 1st, but we've had some really nasty, 
snowy weather during that month in these parts of the Midwest in recent 
years.  So you may have more time to figure it out after all.

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 8:31:09 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: 0168267B-AB4E-4252-B2D2-09FC827BCB73.jpeg]We recently moved to SW 
> Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing from Eben Weiss, The Bike 
> Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real Life Bike Friends here. This List 
> has really been a gift to me, but it has also made me want more: I want 
>  REAL people and REAL experiences with them. I have found a shop that hosts 
> rides of various kinds 9 months out of the year. There is hope!
>
> The trouble is: I don’t know what I am, and neither does anyone else. 
>
> I have never done a group ride. I don’t know how fast or slow I am, and I 
> don’t know how far I can go. I don’t know etiquette or what would tick off 
> other riders in the group. (My “group rides” were with my 2 sons on the way 
> to school. And it’s true that you learn a rhythm that works for your group 
> and on the rare occasion my husband got included, he made us all nervous.) 
> I would like to have a good first experience and not be a drag for a group. 
> I think failure would send me right back into Lone Wolfdom. I suppose I 
> will just have to risk it.
>
> When I say I ride, everyone thinks Roadie, and then they think of their 
> friend who is also a Roadie and want to plan a meeting for us. Now, I doubt 
> I’m going to keep up with a group of road bikes on my Platypus. When I say 
> I don’t have a road bike, the person will say, “Oh, you like to mountain 
> bike!” When I try to explain, try to say what it is that I ride, I don’t 
> have words. If I admit I don’t have a road bike or mountain bike people 
> assume hybrid bike from big box store = not a serious rider. I don’t know 
> what I am. I don’t know what “we” are. Where do bikes like ours fit? Who do 
> we ride with?
>
> In looking at local events online, it seems there are Roadies and there 
> are Gravel Kings (my own term). If I roll up on my fendered, raspberry 
> sparkle Platypus, both groups will be uncomfortable. 
>
> My shop did mention some community rides, and those I will try, though I 
> suspect they might be short and slow for my taste. There are some very 
> exciting events state-wide here, but they do seem to be geared to road 
> bikers. I admit that I know very little about bike culture here, and 
> talking to real people might open up a lot of possibilities. Where are 
> these people I can talk to?!
>
> The locals tell me spring will be here in March. I’ve got 2 months to 
> figure out where I fit, Rivsters. 
>
> Who can relate? Who has words of wisdom? Who just wants to commiserate? 
> Are we the outcasts of bike culture or are we unicorns? Where are we in the 
> Velotaxonomy? How do we make the cool people take us seriously? Should I 
> buy Lycra? 
>
> What I wouldn’t give for a couple of RivSisters living locally…
> Leah
>

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[RBW] Re: Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[Tom Palmer]

Hi Leah,
I am near Muskegon, about 1.5 hours away, so not sure of your local 
opportunities. Here there are groups for all rider levels. You will get 
looks riding your Platy on  a group ride, guaranteed. The culture is you 
have to look fast on your carbon no matter how slow you ride. I rode a few 
group rides with Albatross bars and a couple of the hard core roadies in A 
(fast) group gave me a hard time expressing anything other than a drop bar 
is dangerous to the other riders with those wide bars. I wasn't. The 
attitude was that I would be slow too. I rode with the b group- 15-18mph 
average, which is easier than it sounds. The group draft is a wonderful 
thing for feeling fast. You will probably have to just go and charm them 
with your beautiful Platypus and wonderful nature.  As a side not, I am 
starting a "country bike" group this year at my new favorite bikeshop owned 
by an Amish man. The Amish group allowed pedal bikes about 6 years ago and 
they have really taken to it. I saw young men in their everyday clothing(no 
lycra here) riding very nice road bikes the other day in the snow. The 
owner expects a decent turnout from the Amish community for the rides. 
There are great gravel and rural roads right from the shop and he sells 
very Rivish/Bobish bikes and accessories, fenders, chunky tires, studded 
tires, lights, etc. They would love your bikes. 
Marc Irwin lives in Kalamazoo and may be able to clue you in better. Simply 
Cycle is his blog- http://simplecycle-marc.blogspot.com/ 
Hope the cold weather is not too hard on your family, spring will be here 
before you know it.
Tom Palmer
Twin Lake, MI

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 9:31:09 AM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: 0168267B-AB4E-4252-B2D2-09FC827BCB73.jpeg]We recently moved to SW 
> Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing from Eben Weiss, The Bike 
> Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real Life Bike Friends here. This List 
> has really been a gift to me, but it has also made me want more: I want 
>  REAL people and REAL experiences with them. I have found a shop that hosts 
> rides of various kinds 9 months out of the year. There is hope!
>
> The trouble is: I don’t know what I am, and neither does anyone else. 
>
> I have never done a group ride. I don’t know how fast or slow I am, and I 
> don’t know how far I can go. I don’t know etiquette or what would tick off 
> other riders in the group. (My “group rides” were with my 2 sons on the way 
> to school. And it’s true that you learn a rhythm that works for your group 
> and on the rare occasion my husband got included, he made us all nervous.) 
> I would like to have a good first experience and not be a drag for a group. 
> I think failure would send me right back into Lone Wolfdom. I suppose I 
> will just have to risk it.
>
> When I say I ride, everyone thinks Roadie, and then they think of their 
> friend who is also a Roadie and want to plan a meeting for us. Now, I doubt 
> I’m going to keep up with a group of road bikes on my Platypus. When I say 
> I don’t have a road bike, the person will say, “Oh, you like to mountain 
> bike!” When I try to explain, try to say what it is that I ride, I don’t 
> have words. If I admit I don’t have a road bike or mountain bike people 
> assume hybrid bike from big box store = not a serious rider. I don’t know 
> what I am. I don’t know what “we” are. Where do bikes like ours fit? Who do 
> we ride with?
>
> In looking at local events online, it seems there are Roadies and there 
> are Gravel Kings (my own term). If I roll up on my fendered, raspberry 
> sparkle Platypus, both groups will be uncomfortable. 
>
> My shop did mention some community rides, and those I will try, though I 
> suspect they might be short and slow for my taste. There are some very 
> exciting events state-wide here, but they do seem to be geared to road 
> bikers. I admit that I know very little about bike culture here, and 
> talking to real people might open up a lot of possibilities. Where are 
> these people I can talk to?!
>
> The locals tell me spring will be here in March. I’ve got 2 months to 
> figure out where I fit, Rivsters. 
>
> Who can relate? Who has words of wisdom? Who just wants to commiserate? 
> Are we the outcasts of bike culture or are we unicorns? Where are we in the 
> Velotaxonomy? How do we make the cool people take us seriously? Should I 
> buy Lycra? 
>
> What I wouldn’t give for a couple of RivSisters living locally…
> Leah
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem for bikepacking?

[Mackenzy Albright]

As much as I think rackless systems are neato, and it's easy to run pannier 
free with the many bag manufacturers now in fair weather and s240 style 
camping. I absolutely love the look of low rider racks and good set of 
panniers which are great except for lots of bumpy roads and narrow single 
track. 

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 9:51:17 AM UTC-7 mma...@gmail.com wrote:

> Here's how I loaded my Clem L for seven or so days on the road (OAK - SLO, 
> very slow). I regret not having a rack for panniers; it was a pain digging 
> around and packing the Nelson longflaps with not enough room for my gear. 
> Having more bags would have helped spreading items out for easy access and 
> packing. In any case, Clem L handles really well while carrying gear and 
> feels acceptably "fast" for multi day touring.
>
> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 9:56:36 AM UTC-8 meti...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I certainly plan to pack my new Clem L for camping! 
>>
>> Long ago I spent weeks in Europe (on several different trips) on a 
>> packed-out Motobecane Grand Touring bike with skinny little tires. I added 
>> a temporary Blackburn rear rack, slapped some panniers on it, threw some 
>> sort of front-bar bag on the handlebars, and despite tons of flats (we 
>> eventually stuck to the roads rather than gravel trails), the bike did fine 
>> and we had a blast. I’m sure it wasn’t pretty, but it was wonderful, and 
>> now I can flip a bike over and whip out a tube change like nobody’s 
>> business. 
>>
>> (I’ve traveled a number of the Adventure Cycling Association routes the 
>> same way, too, Jeff, and it was so much fun to see how other bicyclists 
>> handled their gear. We can complicate the most simple experiences, and I 
>> want to be more like those easy travelers…they make me laugh)
>>
>> Anything will work, if you let it. :) Have fun on your bike-camping trips.
>>
>> Liz
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 11:53:35 AM UTC-5 Jeffrey Arita wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with John G: pretty much any bike can be used for 
>>> cyclotouring/bikepacking.  I don't have a Clem (I have a Rambouillet), but 
>>> Grant designs framesets with strength and reliability in mind.  It is 
>>> steel, so absolutely, it should be fine.
>>>
>>> If you ever have a chance to visit Adventure Cycling Association's (ACA) 
>>> HQ in Missoula, MT, you can see many of the original rigs that were used.  
>>> Absolutely fascinating.  They just took what was available and invented 
>>> solutions.  Those folks were animals, too: you gotta check out the tall 
>>> gearing they had.  At the same time, they were young and in the prime of 
>>> their lives.
>>>
>>> Fast forward to 2022: there are so many gadgets now to enable one to 
>>> attach something to your frame and fork.  Check out Bikepacking.com 
>>>  for a complete rundown.  They have a wealth 
>>> of information.  Be careful though: it is a true rabbit hole.  It's like 
>>> going to REI.  You just keep buying stuff!  
>>>
>>> In 2017 we used (because they were one of the first to market) King Cage 
>>> USBs (Universal Support Bolts).  Extremely handy and strong.  We used sets 
>>> of them to support King Cage Manything Cages on our forks for the Great 
>>> Divide.  They were truly tested: because we could be cycling through areas 
>>> with no water sources for our water purifier, we carried 3-liter containers 
>>> of water.  Note: there are now several solutions out there in addition to 
>>> the King Cage USB.
>>>
>>> Enjoy and have fun!
>>>
>>> Jeff
>>> Claremont, CA 
>>>
>>> P.S.: Voile straps are your friend!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 7:47:22 PM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Wondering if there are any Clem L owners here using their rig  for 
 bikepacking excursions? Seems like an ideal platform in spite of having no 
 space for a framebag nor fork mounted braze ons for anything or similar 
 cages. I am thinking of front and rear mimimalist racks from Tumbleweed as 
 they include the anything / manything cage mounts. Curious what others 
 might be doing?
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[lconley]

I started riding in groups about 50 years ago. They were all pretty much 
race oriented. Haven't ridden much with groups for the last 5 years or so 
as I have gotten older, fatter, and slower. The group that I used to ride 
with when I lived in Cocoa, FL did have a couple of "no-drop" rides at one 
time, bit the as time went on, the newer people weren't interested and the 
older people stopped riding or moved away. I still occasionally showed up 
and rode with them till I got dropped after a few miles. I also got tired 
of people half the age of some of my bicycles giving me cycling advice. I 
haven't even tried since I moved to South Florida because A) COVID, B) all 
the cycling groups that I see are kitted out, C) the people in the bicycle 
shops are aghast that I am actually buying tubes in this day and age, and 
D) I have been really busy with work. 
I think there must be other slow old cyclists in South Florida, so I will 
try once South Florida ceases to be the COVID hotspot that it our Governor 
DeathSantis seems to prefer.
Leah, you may have to start your own group, a task that you are likely 
better equipped for than this old curmudgeon.

Laing
Delray Beach FL

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 10:16:07 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Wow, a lot to unpack here. I am kind of on the other end of this. Having 
> been a cyclist for 4 decades+. I discovered the joy of riding while working 
> as a student designer @ Huffy Bikes around 1976. There was an old 10 speed 
> in the barn of the boarding house I was staying. I just starting riding 
> country roads & pretty soon I was struggling to get back before dark. Then 
> I started doing casual rides with friends. But then I discovered “fine” 
> bicycles - and they were all racing bikes. Ah, the romance of it all! So, I 
> got a PX10 & joined the local racing club. I got dropped more often than 
> not but I got better. Even (especially?) the training rides were 
> competitive.
> Then I discovered triathlon - so that was a “thing” for about 10 years. 
> Then - children! Basically a 10 or so year long gap in my cycling life. 
> Tried golf for a while. Sold the clubs & bought a bike! Found another, 
> slightly more chill group. But still pretty darn competitive. Did that for 
> 10-15 years. But during this time I discovered MTB. Game changer! 
> Eventually sold road bikes to fund MTB. A LOT of solo or just a few friends 
> in the woods riding. Not competitive. Life changing stuff - really! But, 
> MTB requires driving to the trail. There isn’t always time for that. Enter 
> a different kind of “road” riding, including gravel. This is where the Clem 
> comes in. MTB got me away from the “group” ride mentality. Clem is 
> reinforcing the solo riding joy of country roads. Hard efforts still, if I 
> am feeling up to it. But no one to try to keep up with. No pace to keep. 
> Just me & my bike enjoying being alive.
> Not an answer to your question really. Where do we fit in? Perhaps we 
> don’t? And that might be the point. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 17, 2022, at 9:31 AM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> [image: 0168267B-AB4E-4252-B2D2-09FC827BCB73.jpeg]We recently moved to 
> SW Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing from Eben Weiss, The Bike 
> Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real Life Bike Friends here. This List 
> has really been a gift to me, but it has also made me want more: I want 
>  REAL people and REAL experiences with them. I have found a shop that hosts 
> rides of various kinds 9 months out of the year. There is hope!
>
>
> The trouble is: I don’t know what I am, and neither does anyone else. 
>
> I have never done a group ride. I don’t know how fast or slow I am, and I 
> don’t know how far I can go. I don’t know etiquette or what would tick off 
> other riders in the group. (My “group rides” were with my 2 sons on the way 
> to school. And it’s true that you learn a rhythm that works for your group 
> and on the rare occasion my husband got included, he made us all nervous.) 
> I would like to have a good first experience and not be a drag for a group. 
> I think failure would send me right back into Lone Wolfdom. I suppose I 
> will just have to risk it.
>
> When I say I ride, everyone thinks Roadie, and then they think of their 
> friend who is also a Roadie and want to plan a meeting for us. Now, I doubt 
> I’m going to keep up with a group of road bikes on my Platypus. When I say 
> I don’t have a road bike, the person will say, “Oh, you like to mountain 
> bike!” When I try to explain, try to say what it is that I ride, I don’t 
> have words. If I admit I don’t have a road bike or mountain bike people 
> assume hybrid bike from big box store = not a serious rider. I don’t know 
> what I am. I don’t know what “we” are. Where do bikes like ours fit? Who do 
> we ride with?
>
> In looking at local events online, it seems there are Roadies and there 
> are Gravel Kings (my own term). If I roll up on my fendered, 

Re: [RBW] Groups.Google

[Rick Urbanowski]

I don’t know why I didn’t think of FB! Thanks!


> On Jan 16, 2022, at 8:10 PM, Cyclofiend Jim  wrote:
> 
> There is a FB group here - 
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/rbwownersbunch 
> 
> 
> No buy/sell/trade. Emphasis on photos. 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, January 12, 2022 at 6:02:44 AM UTC-8 rickur...@gmail.com 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am able to understand and use the group as designed, thanks all.
> My gripe is with the sheer awkwardness and HORRIBLE interface of google 
> groups. If you’ve ever used Discord or Facebook groups you’ll know what I’m 
> talking about. 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 4:24:35 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
> On Android: I look at the mobile website, then when I want to post I click 
> the 3 dots top right and go to Desktop Site. This brings up the reply 
> function. Not awesome but workable. 
> 
> Joe Bernard
> 
> On Tuesday, January 11, 2022 at 5:57:42 AM UTC-8 rickur...@gmail.com <> wrote:
> I love my Rivendell, and I love Rivendell owners! 
> But, I despise this Google group format! 
> I wish there was another way. I'm sure there is, I just don't know what it is
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[RBW] FS :: Seatposts - Enve Nitto Salsa Suntour Velo-Orange more

[David Hallerman]

Here are 14 seatposts for sale, most either brand new or nearly new. 
Sizes range from 26.2mm to 31.6mm. Offset, aka setback, measures from 
40mm down to 0mm.


Prices include shipping when you cover the Paypal fees. Photos available 
on request, and questions quickly answered. Thanks for looking.


Dave, who remembers that the first bike parts upgrade he bought was a 
seatpost, a Suntour XC Pro seatpost for his first Bridgestone a 1990 MB-2


_*27.2mm*_
Nitto S-84 Lugged cro-mo 27.2mm silver 250mm 40mm offset! near-new = $120
Suntour Superbe Pro 27.2mm silver 250mm 20mm offset exc = $85
Salsa Shaft 27.2mm silver 250mm 23mm offset exc = $60
Velo-Orange Grand Cru Long Setback 27.2mm silver 300mm 30mm offset VG = $30
Campagnolo TK* 27.2mm silver 210mm 20mm offset VG = $30
 *Don’t know exactly which model this is, but looks like it’s from 
1980s.


_*27.0mm*_
Salsa Shaft 27.0mm black 350mm 23mm offset NEW = $95
Suntour Superbe Fluted 27.0mm silver 210mm 20mm offset exc = $30

_*26.8mm*_
Ritchey Comp 26.8mm black 400mm 20mm offset near-new = $40

_*31.6mm*_
Enve Gen2 31.6mm carbon 400mm 25mm offset NEW (clamp disassembled) = $185
RaceFace Next 31.6mm carbon 400mm 0mm offset near-new = $50
Velo-Orange Grand Cru 31.6mm silver 400mm 16mm offset NEW = $45

_*26.6mm*_
Kalloy Road 26.6mm silver 220mm 20mm offset NEW = $25

_*26.4mm*_
Sakae TCO Sport 26.4mm silver 300mm 20mm offset NEW = $25

_*26.2mm*_
Sakae TCO Sport 26.2mm silver 300mm 20mm offset NEW = $25

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Re: [RBW] New Roadinis will have clearance for 42 mm tires

[Pancake]

I was excited for a Charles H Gallop too, but no v-brakes means I’m out. 
Wish I could snag that prototype, because that is just an ideal setup. 

But the Sam Hillborne also started with long reach brakes (like mine) and 
eventually made its way to canti/V-brake posts so hopefully CHG goes the 
same way and sooner than later. 

Abe

On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 09:38:06 UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:

> Yeah, I was really looking forward to the CHG, but the long reach brakes 
> kill it for me. 
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
>> I am a little shocked that they are apparently bringing that change over 
>> to the Charlie Gallop too. Instead of the V-brake/cantilever setup that the 
>> previous prototype had. Since they are designing their own V brakes that 
>> look to be quite nice it seems that they would push the bikes toward that. 
>> The only reason I can think that they would make that change is because 
>> sidepulls are a little more common on road style bikes. But making a 
>> decision based only on aesthetics seems counter to how Rivendell normally 
>> does things.
>>
>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 11:48:38 AM UTC-5 Linda G wrote:
>>
>>> I'm so glad I bought my Roadini frame before this change! The 559 brakes 
>>> do not work for me: poor power in dry conditions and unusable in wet. I 
>>> find that 33mm tires have plenty of cush and 42's would probably create toe 
>>> overlap on a 50 size frame. I'm grateful to have found a Rivendell frame 
>>> that works for me. 
>>> [image: DSC00040.JPG]
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 9:46:12 PM UTC-8 Eamon Nordquist wrote:
>>>
 I saw today the announcement that the new Roadinis are niw designed for 
 R559 brakes and will easily clear 42 mm tires. Good news, as far as I’m 
 concerned! The only thing I am slightly sad about is that they aren’t 
 coming in grilver, which is THE color for the Roadini, in my opinion. That 
 may be influenced by my love for the silver gray imron paint on early 80’s 
 Treks. Regardless, if I have a  job by then, I may have to get one.

 Eamon
 Seattle 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Microshift thumb shifters with Tosco / Bosco

[Pancake]

Not aeroI extensions but bar end extensions, just mounted inward of the 
grips/brakes levers … it’s like having an “on the hoods” position that’s 
 more forward … but on my wide upright bars that are more “sit up and beg” 
by nature. Strongly recommended. 

On Sunday, 16 January 2022 at 15:53:19 UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank You! Helpful. What are those aero extensions? 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 16, 2022, at 1:14 PM, Pancake  wrote:
>
> Sunrace and Silver shifters mounted on Boscos and Toscos on a few 
> different bikes (Sam Hillborne, Cheviot, Rosco Baby):
>
>
> https://imgur.com/a/okkbnmI
>
> Abe
> On Saturday, 15 January 2022 at 15:34:20 UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Microshift thumb shifters. I like them! Where do most folks place them on 
>> your Tosco / Bosco bars? Mine are on top about one inch beyond the first 
>> downward bend ahead of the grips / brake levers.  The shifting from this 
>> location is ok if you are not in a hurry, which I basically am not. They 
>> (shifters) provide a nice "stop" when I want to slide my hands slightly 
>> forward of the grips. But, the shifters make sliding further down the bar a 
>> little difficult. Does anyone rotate the shifters to be in a position 
>> closer to modern triggers so that you do not need to move your hands to 
>> shift? I guess bar ends would accomplish this?
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Re: [RBW] New Craigslist/others thread

[Paul Choi]

YOLO has worked its way into the bike world. Riders are not willing to wait 
years to figure of if they like a bike. They hit the eject button pretty 
quick now. 

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 6:47:45 AM UTC-8 jkg...@gmail.com wrote:

> What I've noticed is how many of the bikes are low mileage.  
>
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 5:05:53 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Has anyone else noticed a large majority of for sale bikes are on the 
>> large side? 
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>
>> > On Jan 16, 2022, at 10:47 PM, Matthew Williams  
>> wrote: 
>> > 
>> > Atlantis frameset 
>> > 62cm 
>> > $1500 
>> > Bridgeport, TX 
>> > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/316744007102323 
>> > 
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[RBW] Re: SF Bay Area powdercoat

[lconley]

You don't like your pistachio green? I have one of the first batch Gray 
Neutrinos, and almost wish I had waited. Of course, the purple anodized 
bits would not have gone well with the green though. Everybody should have 
a Neutrino, I got one because I am too fat to ride my Bike Friday.

Laing

On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 8:56:13 PM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Thanks everybody, West Coast sounds like the answer, especially if they do 
> those gorgeous Fitz's. And the price is right! I kinda doubt I'll actually 
> make the plunge but could happen 路
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 4:47:16 PM UTC-8 DB wrote:
>
>> I can vouch for West Coast Powdercoating.  I had my bike repainted there 
>> last year and I'm really happy with it.  They charged $175 and the 
>> turnaround time was only 4 days.  D and Ed Litton are the others I know 
>> of but charge more and take a lot longer.  
>>
>> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 8:35:15 PM UTC-8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I know someone who just got a very nice powdercoat from West Coast 
>>> Powdercoating in SF, sounds like $200 - 240 is the going rate which is 
>>> impressively cheap for a nice paintjob. 
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 15 January 2022 at 18:09:48 UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 This is a low probability project but my new-to-me V-O Neutrino mini 
 velo (it's awesome, get one!) is going to get stripped down for a new 
 cockpit and cables and I'm tempted to keep stripping stuff off until 
 there's just frame to put a new color on. I don't need fancy wet paint, 
 just a basic one color powdercoat..who's good for this in my area? 

 Joe Bernard

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[RBW] Re: Velotaxonomy: What are we, anyway?

[Paul Choi]

Sounds like your first day at school. The nervous anticipation. Just be 
yourself. Enjoy the ride! This is an opportunity to be an ambassador for 
the brand. The other riders may end up getting Rivendell bikes when they 
find out how great they ride. From someone who grew up in East Lansing and 
still has family in Lansing. 

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 6:31:09 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: 0168267B-AB4E-4252-B2D2-09FC827BCB73.jpeg]We recently moved to SW 
> Michigan. I was a total Lone Wolf (borrowing from Eben Weiss, The Bike 
> Snob) in Vegas but I dream of having Real Life Bike Friends here. This List 
> has really been a gift to me, but it has also made me want more: I want 
>  REAL people and REAL experiences with them. I have found a shop that hosts 
> rides of various kinds 9 months out of the year. There is hope!
>
> The trouble is: I don’t know what I am, and neither does anyone else. 
>
> I have never done a group ride. I don’t know how fast or slow I am, and I 
> don’t know how far I can go. I don’t know etiquette or what would tick off 
> other riders in the group. (My “group rides” were with my 2 sons on the way 
> to school. And it’s true that you learn a rhythm that works for your group 
> and on the rare occasion my husband got included, he made us all nervous.) 
> I would like to have a good first experience and not be a drag for a group. 
> I think failure would send me right back into Lone Wolfdom. I suppose I 
> will just have to risk it.
>
> When I say I ride, everyone thinks Roadie, and then they think of their 
> friend who is also a Roadie and want to plan a meeting for us. Now, I doubt 
> I’m going to keep up with a group of road bikes on my Platypus. When I say 
> I don’t have a road bike, the person will say, “Oh, you like to mountain 
> bike!” When I try to explain, try to say what it is that I ride, I don’t 
> have words. If I admit I don’t have a road bike or mountain bike people 
> assume hybrid bike from big box store = not a serious rider. I don’t know 
> what I am. I don’t know what “we” are. Where do bikes like ours fit? Who do 
> we ride with?
>
> In looking at local events online, it seems there are Roadies and there 
> are Gravel Kings (my own term). If I roll up on my fendered, raspberry 
> sparkle Platypus, both groups will be uncomfortable. 
>
> My shop did mention some community rides, and those I will try, though I 
> suspect they might be short and slow for my taste. There are some very 
> exciting events state-wide here, but they do seem to be geared to road 
> bikers. I admit that I know very little about bike culture here, and 
> talking to real people might open up a lot of possibilities. Where are 
> these people I can talk to?!
>
> The locals tell me spring will be here in March. I’ve got 2 months to 
> figure out where I fit, Rivsters. 
>
> Who can relate? Who has words of wisdom? Who just wants to commiserate? 
> Are we the outcasts of bike culture or are we unicorns? Where are we in the 
> Velotaxonomy? How do we make the cool people take us seriously? Should I 
> buy Lycra? 
>
> What I wouldn’t give for a couple of RivSisters living locally…
> Leah
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[RBW] Re: Anticipating the 13-42 7 speed cassette

[lconley]

I still run 7 speed *freewheels* on two of my Rivendells . Like the 7 speed 
cassettes, it allows almost zero dish on a 135mm hub. Hopefully, the 7 
speed cassettes will be individual sprockets and not all riveted together 
on common carriers so that one can customize their own gearing. I really 
like the new 14-34 Shimano freewheel that Riv sells for only $18!!! (when 
in stock.) I am getting ready to put an NOS 12-34 Suntour New Winner (was 
somewhat more than $18) on the Bombadil with Ultegra 8 speed shifters on 
Rivendell thumb shifter mounts so I can hopefully index my Altus.

Laing
On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 7:06:24 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:

> Ray, I'm another one of the few anticipating the arrival of the 7 speed 
> cassette. I'm a long time user of 7 and 8 speed cogs so I'll also be a 
> buyer.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 12:29:25 PM UTC-5 Ray Varella wrote:
>
>> Am I one of the few who thinks this is a great option. 
>> I applaud Merry Sales for their continued support of everyday practical 
>> bike gear.
>> I will definitely get a couple. 
>> I am just as eagerly awaiting Rivendell’s V- brake and rear derailer. 
>> Thank you once again Grant. 
>>
>> Ray
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: First 10 days

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I love that you love your Clem. Clems are gems and worth all of our 
adoration. It will rise to the top of your favorites list because it is so 
comfortable and so visually appealing. I love a Clem.
Leah

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 8:12:21 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Ha! That’s funny. Most folks say I should smile more. I tell them I am 
> smiling! So, thanks!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 16, 2022, at 9:18 PM, Roberta  wrote:
>
> So nice to have more happy Riv riders here. I love the Clem L green. Also 
> love your smile. 
>
>
> Miles of smiles,
> Roberta
>
> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 3:17:41 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Just 5 rides and 80 or so miles in and I am hooked. Normally there would 
>> be too much snow/ice & salt on the roads in January to ride. I am having a 
>> blast riding this bike, Tried it today with a partial load.
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[RBW] Re: Question about the 1995 Waterford Road standard

[Joe Bernard]

It depends on when the frame was built, it could be several years away from 
when that spec sheet was published. The ad says it's measured C-to-T so I 
believe it's a real 50cm frame, and my (vague) memory of that time is it 
came with 26" wheels. The Rambouillet in 50 and 52cm also used the smaller 
wheels. 



On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 5:29:26 AM UTC-8 Ryan wrote:

> But in the spec sheet Jim attached, the smallest size is 52cm. I guess it 
> depends on how Rivendell  measures .CC or CT?  Rear spacing is 130 and 
> wheel size is 700 c according to the Riv spec.
>
> Nice frame...grab it if it fits!
>
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 7:20:20 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I've been staring at that frame for weeks, it's gorgeous! At 5'-6"-ish 
>> it's too small for me, I'll bet a 50 × 52cm would be perfect for you, 
>> especially with drops or Moustache/Albastache bars. 
>>
>> The listing says 125 rear spacing but I'm pretty sure all Riv Roads werr 
>> 130. Check for wheel size, I think the 50cm frames used 26" like mountain 
>> bikes. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>>
>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 4:49:47 PM UTC-8 Adrianna T wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> I saw this ad and I am very tempted: 
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/fairfax-wow-beautiful-1995-rivendell/7429374409.html
>>>
>>> I'm going to see it next week to decide.
>>>
>>> 1. I am 5' 5 female, any ideas on whether this will fit me? 
>>>
>>> 2. This will be my first vintage bike, and I am so excited! Any other 
>>> tips or advice on this particular frame? 
>>>
>>> -Adrianna
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Question about the 1995 Waterford Road standard

[Ryan]

But in the spec sheet Jim attached, the smallest size is 52cm. I guess it 
depends on how Rivendell  measures .CC or CT?  Rear spacing is 130 and 
wheel size is 700 c according to the Riv spec.

Nice frame...grab it if it fits!

On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 7:20:20 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I've been staring at that frame for weeks, it's gorgeous! At 5'-6"-ish 
> it's too small for me, I'll bet a 50 × 52cm would be perfect for you, 
> especially with drops or Moustache/Albastache bars. 
>
> The listing says 125 rear spacing but I'm pretty sure all Riv Roads werr 
> 130. Check for wheel size, I think the 50cm frames used 26" like mountain 
> bikes. 
>
> Joe Bernard
>
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 4:49:47 PM UTC-8 Adrianna T wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I saw this ad and I am very tempted: 
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/fairfax-wow-beautiful-1995-rivendell/7429374409.html
>>
>> I'm going to see it next week to decide.
>>
>> 1. I am 5' 5 female, any ideas on whether this will fit me? 
>>
>> 2. This will be my first vintage bike, and I am so excited! Any other 
>> tips or advice on this particular frame? 
>>
>> -Adrianna
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: First 10 days

[Richard Rose]

Ha! That’s funny. Most folks say I should smile more. I tell them I am smiling! 
So, thanks!

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> On Jan 16, 2022, at 9:18 PM, Roberta  wrote:
> 
> So nice to have more happy Riv riders here. I love the Clem L green. Also 
> love your smile. 
> 
> Miles of smiles,
> Roberta
> 
>> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 3:17:41 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Just 5 rides and 80 or so miles in and I am hooked. Normally there would be 
>> too much snow/ice & salt on the roads in January to ride. I am having a 
>> blast riding this bike, Tried it today with a partial load.
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Re: [RBW] New Craigslist/others thread

[Richard Rose]

Has anyone else noticed a large majority of for sale bikes are on the large 
side?

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> On Jan 16, 2022, at 10:47 PM, Matthew Williams 
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> Atlantis frameset
> 62cm
> $1500
> Bridgeport, TX
> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/316744007102323
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