[RBW] Re: Updates on, and further questions regarding the Riv Road Standard 1995

[Ian A]

It's none of my business! But, considering you've had gravel bikes etc. you 
might find a ~27mm tire rather narrow and perhaps limiting, especially on a 
559 wheel. I say this as someone who is very attached to a Marinoni Turismo 
touring bike that carried me through Central and South America, but I wish 
the frame and fork would accommodate a wider tire than 34mm with fenders 
(it's a tight fit under fenders). I'm in the process of setting the 
Marinoni up for touring again (it has been in a more stripped down 
configuration), but I also find myself looking for a used Long Haul Trucker 
that takes 26"x2"+ rubber under fenders.  The problem all started when I 
bought a Rawland rSogn running 40mm x 650b Hetre tires and was blown away 
by the benefits of a good quality wider tire. I think 38mm has become my 
minimum width for any new bike that comes into my life.

IanA Alberta Canada

On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 10:43:55 PM UTC-7 Paul Brodek wrote:

> T'were I you I'd want to check out the fit with wheels/tires before 
> committing. Dealing with parts build/etc is a lot easier post-purchase than 
> dealing with a sub-optimal fit. There are loads of crappy 26" wheels/tires 
> you can get for cheap that would work to check fit, but whether seller will 
> let you put wheels into a pristine frameset may be an issue.
>
> I still have issues with the overall value, but I'm not the one that wants 
> it badly, so my issues don't matter much.
>
> But I will say that for the same/similar money, you can get yourself a 
> brandy-new handbuilt steel frameset in a size/configuration that will fit 
> you fer sure. It won't be lugged, you'd have to be happy with a tig'd 
> frame, and it may not ring similar bells and release as heavy an endorphin 
> dose as a minty vintage Riv. But it may fit better, have better clearances, 
> and might even ride better. I suspect there are a bunch of builders who 
> could do this, but I don't have many in my mental Rolodex. I can start with 
> Jeff Lyon, who's been building since the '70s, and has gotten very 
> excellent feedback on his entry-level L'avecaise frames:
>
> https://www.lyonsport.com/frames-0   [$1,100 for unfiled tig'd frame, 
> $285 for matching fork]
>
> Paul Brodek
> Hillsdale, NJ USA
>
>
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 2:45:13 PM UTC-5 Adrianna T wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I went to see Joe B at the Marin Museum of Bicycling to see if I want the 
>> Riv Road Standard bike frame.
>>
>> Details were somewhat unclear and as this group pointed out, it's hard to 
>> tell size and fit when the bike is not built up.
>>
>> So further details are posted her (on my personal page):
>>
>> https://skinnylatte.notion.site/Riv-Bike-e56ddf417ee54e788e3a445eafc46f44
>>
>> Joe also called Grant and provided this update:
>>
>> " After talking with Grant, and trying a few more wheels, it appears the 
>> frameset is for 26x1.4" wheels (MTB, 559 bead seat size). So tires would be 
>> 35mm max, 32mm more like it. "Pre-1999 for sure," says Grant."
>>
>> My main question is: I previously thought this might be *just nice*, now 
>> I am not so sure.
>>
>> Anyone see anything interesting about the new information here? I still 
>> want it very badly of course, and that's maybe why I can't be objective 
>> about it ;/
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Updates on, and further questions regarding the Riv Road Standard 1995

[Paul Brodek]

T'were I you I'd want to check out the fit with wheels/tires before 
committing. Dealing with parts build/etc is a lot easier post-purchase than 
dealing with a sub-optimal fit. There are loads of crappy 26" wheels/tires 
you can get for cheap that would work to check fit, but whether seller will 
let you put wheels into a pristine frameset may be an issue.

I still have issues with the overall value, but I'm not the one that wants 
it badly, so my issues don't matter much.

But I will say that for the same/similar money, you can get yourself a 
brandy-new handbuilt steel frameset in a size/configuration that will fit 
you fer sure. It won't be lugged, you'd have to be happy with a tig'd 
frame, and it may not ring similar bells and release as heavy an endorphin 
dose as a minty vintage Riv. But it may fit better, have better clearances, 
and might even ride better. I suspect there are a bunch of builders who 
could do this, but I don't have many in my mental Rolodex. I can start with 
Jeff Lyon, who's been building since the '70s, and has gotten very 
excellent feedback on his entry-level L'avecaise frames:

https://www.lyonsport.com/frames-0   [$1,100 for unfiled tig'd frame, $285 
for matching fork]

Paul Brodek
Hillsdale, NJ USA


On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 2:45:13 PM UTC-5 Adrianna T wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I went to see Joe B at the Marin Museum of Bicycling to see if I want the 
> Riv Road Standard bike frame.
>
> Details were somewhat unclear and as this group pointed out, it's hard to 
> tell size and fit when the bike is not built up.
>
> So further details are posted her (on my personal page):
>
> https://skinnylatte.notion.site/Riv-Bike-e56ddf417ee54e788e3a445eafc46f44
>
> Joe also called Grant and provided this update:
>
> " After talking with Grant, and trying a few more wheels, it appears the 
> frameset is for 26x1.4" wheels (MTB, 559 bead seat size). So tires would be 
> 35mm max, 32mm more like it. "Pre-1999 for sure," says Grant."
>
> My main question is: I previously thought this might be *just nice*, now I 
> am not so sure.
>
> Anyone see anything interesting about the new information here? I still 
> want it very badly of course, and that's maybe why I can't be objective 
> about it ;/
>

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Re: [RBW] Cold Weather Riding Gear

[JAS]

So Leah, is there something wrong with owning two jackets...one for each 
bike color combination?  

Joyce (who loves jackets, owns many and should start sending one to the 
thrift shop when a new one is acquired).

On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 5:29:37 PM UTC-8 WilletM wrote:

>
> Another enthusiastic vote for Showers Pass Elite and Refuge (and other 
> models) jackets as outer layers in cold/dry conditions.  Winter riding in 
> western Colorado at 6000' of altitude is exceptionally comfortable, whether 
> it's snowing (which is basically dry conditions) or actually dry outside.  
> I do find that the pit zips alone are not sufficient for ventilation 
> (staying in that target zone of cool and dry) in the temperature range of 
> 20-35 F. where I most prefer to ride.  So I usually am working the front 
> zipper of my shell (and also a half-zip 100 weight fleece underneath) up 
> and down as needed to keep my upper torso cool (and therefore dry) rather 
> than warm.
>
> As I believe others have mentioned, ventilating the sleeves (and keeping 
> your arms/layers dry) is typically more difficult due to limited options 
> for directing airflow (compared to the torso).  I mostly address this by 
> keeping my torso/layers extra cool/dry when I feel my sleeves starting to 
> get clammy.  
>
> It certainly is true, at least in my experience over quite a few years, 
> that it is MUCH more challenging to stay cool during cold weather riding 
> conditions than it is to stay warm.  Warm is usually just a zipped-up 
> zipper or amped-up heartrate away, whereas cooling off and drying out takes 
> time and patience and practice to get the correct "recipe" to match the air 
> temp outside.  But in the end, the (often rather expensive, admittedly) 
> accumulation of clothing and gear, and the numerous test runs and 
> trial/error periods of getting to the point of dressing properly for the 
> NOW temperature/conditions and taking a few extra pieces to address the 
> LATER temp/conditions is really, really rewarding.  A sunny day at 25 
> degrees and a smooth asphalt shoulder along the highway is, for me, about 
> as good as it gets for mid-winter bicycling.
>
> Willet M.
> Carbondale, CO
>
> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 4:33:19 PM UTC-7 JAS wrote:
>
>> I like my Showers Pass Elite jacket for cold weather and rain.  Yes, it 
>> can be vented under the arms and has a cape-like back vent for air flow.  
>> If I don't open the arm vents, it can build up a little moisture, but 
>> nothing that makes me cold.  If it's super cold, I use a very heavy wool 
>> Patagonia crew neck base layer I got years ago to wear under my dry suit 
>> for kayaking, but it would probably be overkill for folks who run hot.  
>>
>> I use the fanny pack trick when it's really cold and windy.  I don't have 
>> a "pants-gap" issue; instead, I just like all the help I can get to keep 
>> the cold out.  Good point about tucking a couple of the top layers into 
>> your pants and having a waist-band high enough to do so.  
>>
>> One more tip:  A stretchy Gor-Tex helmet cover keeps the rain out and 
>> blocks the helmet vent holes.  Combined with a thin wool beanie, my head 
>> and ears stay warm.  It looks a bit like mushroom-head, but that's the 
>> price I pay for warmth!   
>>
>>
>> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 11:17:53 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> Joyce and others: a question and some remarks.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 11:49 AM JAS  wrote:
>>>
 *Showers Pass jacket with pit zips for core ventilation.  
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. I always assumed that SP jackets were meant for rain. Question: Do 
>>> they serve well (because of pit zips) as an outer layer and insulator for 
>>> dry-weather cold-temperature (32 south to teens) over wool layers? 
>>>
>>> *Outdoor Research winter gloves with long gauntlet

>>>
>>> ODR or other, certainly yes to long gauntlets. I very often will wear 
>>> repurposed street gloves (like the Bundeswehr pair) that are very nice but 
>>> leave a 1/2" gap between end of cuff and beginning of glove; not nice at 
>>> 25*!
>>>  
>>>
 wearing a fanny pack or waist pack will also help keep the cold from 
 coming up the bottom of your jacket

>>>
>>> Rant begins! *Cycling bottoms, tights or pants, should have waists high 
>>> enough in the back that even when in the hooks of a drop bar the waistband 
>>> does not separate from your top layer!!!* I can't say how many, 
>>> often expensive winter riding pants I've bought only to find that they are 
>>> stupidly, stupidly cut like last year's hipster jeans. I've had expensive 
>>> pants -- Enduras, Osloh jeans so beloved of BSNYC -- retailored in the 
>>> waist to fit more snugly and reduce this gapping tendency. And I'm not 
>>> talking of gapping due to an oversized belly and slipping waist, either. 
>>> Rant ends.
>>>
>>> But the most comfortable riding bottoms of all, ever, besides 
>>> cycling-specific tights (which seem all to be cut high in back) 

Re: [RBW] Cold Weather Riding Gear

['WilletM' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Another enthusiastic vote for Showers Pass Elite and Refuge (and other 
models) jackets as outer layers in cold/dry conditions.  Winter riding in 
western Colorado at 6000' of altitude is exceptionally comfortable, whether 
it's snowing (which is basically dry conditions) or actually dry outside.  
I do find that the pit zips alone are not sufficient for ventilation 
(staying in that target zone of cool and dry) in the temperature range of 
20-35 F. where I most prefer to ride.  So I usually am working the front 
zipper of my shell (and also a half-zip 100 weight fleece underneath) up 
and down as needed to keep my upper torso cool (and therefore dry) rather 
than warm.

As I believe others have mentioned, ventilating the sleeves (and keeping 
your arms/layers dry) is typically more difficult due to limited options 
for directing airflow (compared to the torso).  I mostly address this by 
keeping my torso/layers extra cool/dry when I feel my sleeves starting to 
get clammy.  

It certainly is true, at least in my experience over quite a few years, 
that it is MUCH more challenging to stay cool during cold weather riding 
conditions than it is to stay warm.  Warm is usually just a zipped-up 
zipper or amped-up heartrate away, whereas cooling off and drying out takes 
time and patience and practice to get the correct "recipe" to match the air 
temp outside.  But in the end, the (often rather expensive, admittedly) 
accumulation of clothing and gear, and the numerous test runs and 
trial/error periods of getting to the point of dressing properly for the 
NOW temperature/conditions and taking a few extra pieces to address the 
LATER temp/conditions is really, really rewarding.  A sunny day at 25 
degrees and a smooth asphalt shoulder along the highway is, for me, about 
as good as it gets for mid-winter bicycling.

Willet M.
Carbondale, CO

On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 4:33:19 PM UTC-7 JAS wrote:

> I like my Showers Pass Elite jacket for cold weather and rain.  Yes, it 
> can be vented under the arms and has a cape-like back vent for air flow.  
> If I don't open the arm vents, it can build up a little moisture, but 
> nothing that makes me cold.  If it's super cold, I use a very heavy wool 
> Patagonia crew neck base layer I got years ago to wear under my dry suit 
> for kayaking, but it would probably be overkill for folks who run hot.  
>
> I use the fanny pack trick when it's really cold and windy.  I don't have 
> a "pants-gap" issue; instead, I just like all the help I can get to keep 
> the cold out.  Good point about tucking a couple of the top layers into 
> your pants and having a waist-band high enough to do so.  
>
> One more tip:  A stretchy Gor-Tex helmet cover keeps the rain out and 
> blocks the helmet vent holes.  Combined with a thin wool beanie, my head 
> and ears stay warm.  It looks a bit like mushroom-head, but that's the 
> price I pay for warmth!   
>
>
> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 11:17:53 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> Joyce and others: a question and some remarks.
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 11:49 AM JAS  wrote:
>>
>>> *Showers Pass jacket with pit zips for core ventilation.  
>>
>>
>> 1. I always assumed that SP jackets were meant for rain. Question: Do 
>> they serve well (because of pit zips) as an outer layer and insulator for 
>> dry-weather cold-temperature (32 south to teens) over wool layers? 
>>
>> *Outdoor Research winter gloves with long gauntlet
>>>
>>
>> ODR or other, certainly yes to long gauntlets. I very often will wear 
>> repurposed street gloves (like the Bundeswehr pair) that are very nice but 
>> leave a 1/2" gap between end of cuff and beginning of glove; not nice at 
>> 25*!
>>  
>>
>>> wearing a fanny pack or waist pack will also help keep the cold from 
>>> coming up the bottom of your jacket
>>>
>>
>> Rant begins! *Cycling bottoms, tights or pants, should have waists high 
>> enough in the back that even when in the hooks of a drop bar the waistband 
>> does not separate from your top layer!!!* I can't say how many, 
>> often expensive winter riding pants I've bought only to find that they are 
>> stupidly, stupidly cut like last year's hipster jeans. I've had expensive 
>> pants -- Enduras, Osloh jeans so beloved of BSNYC -- retailored in the 
>> waist to fit more snugly and reduce this gapping tendency. And I'm not 
>> talking of gapping due to an oversized belly and slipping waist, either. 
>> Rant ends.
>>
>> But the most comfortable riding bottoms of all, ever, besides 
>> cycling-specific tights (which seem all to be cut high in back) are 
>> converted mens' dress pants from long before today's modern, low-cut and 
>> tight re-makes of 1960s pants. These come up high enough to well overlap or 
>> underlap your jersey, and to hold a tucked-in layer securely tucked in when 
>> you are bent over the hooks. (Speaking of 1960s: 1960s dress pants are old 
>> even for me, but I recall owning in the mid 1980s a very nice pair of dress 

Re: [RBW] Re: Question about the 1995 Waterford Road standard

[Joe Bernard]

47.5 and 51 Homer are 650B, I believe all Roadeos are 700C. The last 26-er 
I'm aware of in Riv's lineup is the 46cm Appaloosa and I'll be surprised if 
we see it again. The new 45 Clem dropped 26" for 650B this year. 



On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 11:29:01 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Curious: are the smaller HHs and Roadeos built for 26" wheels?
>
> I know that if I were in the market for a top-level, light road bike I'd 
> certainly consider the Roadeo (700c wheels in my size, of course).
>

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Re: [RBW] Cold Weather Riding Gear

[Leah Peterson]

Oh Joyce COME ON now that I see the raspberry jacket I am besotted with it! 
Ugh, I should have messaged you before I ordered the REI jacket! 
RivSisters,
Leah

> On Jan 28, 2022, at 1:49 PM, JAS  wrote:
> 
> Lots of good advice here!  I use much of the same techniques and have my 
> favorite "go to" stuff from cross country skiing and several years of bike 
> commuting in Denver.  It doesn't get as cold in the PNW but here's what I 
> like when it gets cold:
> 
> *Smart Wool quarter zip long sleeve shirts (usually 2, sometimes with a wool 
> sleeveless as well)
> *wool vest (when it gets into the 20s)
> *Showers Pass jacket with pit zips for core ventilation.  
> *wool long underwear
> *bike pants with windproof front, breathable back.
> *waterproof hiking shoes with wool socks 
> *Outdoor Research winter gloves with long gauntlet
> *ankle straps for visibility and to keep the cold from coming up the pant leg 
> (wearing a fanny pack or waist pack will also help keep the cold from coming 
> up the bottom of your jacket)
> 
> Leah, there's a "berry" colored Showers Pass jacket that would be very pretty 
> with your Platy.  
> https://www.showerspass.com/products/womens-syncline-cc-jacket?variant=19622463897688
>  
> 
> Good luck and keep riding!
> 
> #RivSisters,
> Joyce
> 
>> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 10:22:48 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>> Thanks. That would be ideal. The "see something similar) models that the REI 
>> site sent me to showed me only fleece and all-synthetic alternatives.
>> 
>>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 9:21 PM  wrote:
>>> I’ve been wearing an Arc’Teryx A2B Commuter jacket this winter and I’m 
>>> really liking it. It has Gore Windstopper on the front panels and open 
>>> weave wool panels on the back to vent heat. 
>>> 
>>> No pit zips but I find that opening the zipper allows plenty of air in to 
>>> release excess heat. Not made any more but I found one on close out. Here 
>>> is REI’s description of the jacket:
>>> 
>>> https://www.rei.com/product/133629/arcteryx-a2b-comp-jacket-mens
>>> 
>>> Robert Tilley
>>> San Diego, CA
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
> On Jan 27, 2022, at 3:43 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
 
 I'll be particularly interested in others' opinions on the Junction and on 
 other, similar non-wool, wind-front jackets with pit zips. In particular, 
 whether they allow comfort over a, say, 30* temp range, by opening front 
 and pit zips as temps rise.
 
 I'll often ride out in the 20s and come back in the 50s, and yes, a shell 
 of some sort is very nice at 20*F and wind.
 
 I have a light lined shell -- ie, mid-weight nylon shell with light lining 
 of some sort. Fine at 20 or 30 over a wool jersey or wool jersey and Ibex 
 wool vest, but sweaty at 45 or 50 until I had pit zips installed; unzip 
 front 1/4, open pits, flowthrough solves that problem.
 
 Is the Junction similar? Are there other cycling jackets (pockets, 
 please!) with high, zipped neck and pit zips?
 
 Thanks,
 
 On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 9:28 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
  wrote:
 REI jacket is not, admittedly, wool. But it gets wonderful reviews and it 
 does have pit vents, reflectors and is made from recycled nylon so it’s 
 not contributing to the landfill problem. The hood is meant to fit over 
 the helmet - a huge plus.
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Cold Weather Riding Gear

[JAS]

I like my Showers Pass Elite jacket for cold weather and rain.  Yes, it can 
be vented under the arms and has a cape-like back vent for air flow.  If I 
don't open the arm vents, it can build up a little moisture, but nothing 
that makes me cold.  If it's super cold, I use a very heavy wool Patagonia 
crew neck base layer I got years ago to wear under my dry suit for 
kayaking, but it would probably be overkill for folks who run hot.  

I use the fanny pack trick when it's really cold and windy.  I don't have a 
"pants-gap" issue; instead, I just like all the help I can get to keep the 
cold out.  Good point about tucking a couple of the top layers into your 
pants and having a waist-band high enough to do so.  

One more tip:  A stretchy Gor-Tex helmet cover keeps the rain out and 
blocks the helmet vent holes.  Combined with a thin wool beanie, my head 
and ears stay warm.  It looks a bit like mushroom-head, but that's the 
price I pay for warmth!   


On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 11:17:53 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Joyce and others: a question and some remarks.
>
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 11:49 AM JAS  wrote:
>
>> *Showers Pass jacket with pit zips for core ventilation.  
>
>
> 1. I always assumed that SP jackets were meant for rain. Question: Do they 
> serve well (because of pit zips) as an outer layer and insulator for 
> dry-weather cold-temperature (32 south to teens) over wool layers? 
>
> *Outdoor Research winter gloves with long gauntlet
>>
>
> ODR or other, certainly yes to long gauntlets. I very often will wear 
> repurposed street gloves (like the Bundeswehr pair) that are very nice but 
> leave a 1/2" gap between end of cuff and beginning of glove; not nice at 
> 25*!
>  
>
>> wearing a fanny pack or waist pack will also help keep the cold from 
>> coming up the bottom of your jacket
>>
>
> Rant begins! *Cycling bottoms, tights or pants, should have waists high 
> enough in the back that even when in the hooks of a drop bar the waistband 
> does not separate from your top layer!!!* I can't say how many, often 
> expensive winter riding pants I've bought only to find that they are 
> stupidly, stupidly cut like last year's hipster jeans. I've had expensive 
> pants -- Enduras, Osloh jeans so beloved of BSNYC -- retailored in the 
> waist to fit more snugly and reduce this gapping tendency. And I'm not 
> talking of gapping due to an oversized belly and slipping waist, either. 
> Rant ends.
>
> But the most comfortable riding bottoms of all, ever, besides 
> cycling-specific tights (which seem all to be cut high in back) are 
> converted mens' dress pants from long before today's modern, low-cut and 
> tight re-makes of 1960s pants. These come up high enough to well overlap or 
> underlap your jersey, and to hold a tucked-in layer securely tucked in when 
> you are bent over the hooks. (Speaking of 1960s: 1960s dress pants are old 
> even for me, but I recall owning in the mid 1980s a very nice pair of dress 
> wools that must have been 20 years old then: pegged like Jack Kennedy but 
> high in waist like your grandfather's pants. Wish I'd kept them.)
>
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: 55cm Platypus for sale Davis, CA

[Joe Bernard]

Any guesses as to what that big black sticker is on the seattube? College 
parking or commuter train thing? I'm into these frames but I'm worried 
about what's under there...

Joe Bernard

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 5:13:13 PM UTC-8 Lucky wrote:

> NOT my bike but I am close enough to help if necessary. 
>
>
> https://sacramento.craigslist.org/bik/d/davis-rivendell-platypus/7438484202.html
>

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Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Karl Wilcox]

The Roadini is a very nice looking bike, too.  I hope this does not sound 
superficial, but I enjoy the head badge, the decals, and the painted 
cutouts on the seat lug more than if it were just 2 pounds lighter!  Also, 
I rode a 'Redwood' (tall Romulus) frame back in the 2000's and really liked 
it, but the Roadini is a more advance frame design in general (long head 
tube, sloping top tube, wheel clearance, and more.).  I have an old Calfee 
carbon frame I got used.  It is very light.  But I hardly ride it.  Why? 
 Hard to say, but I suspect that it has a lot to do with how the Roadini 
feels 'planted' or secure (words fail me here), but on the human level, I 
just prefer the look of the Roadini-- it has character and a timeless 
beauty that makes the sum of all its parts more than just a 'fast bike', a 
'super light frame', or even a practical 'get the job done' machine.  And, 
of course, it is always comfortable!  This is key: the Roadini does not 
cause neck pain, back pain, hand tingling or stress from the worry of going 
down if I hit a pot hole.   I won't be selling mine.

On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 12:48:36 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Well said, Karl. Add to that the probably (I've not ridden one) signature 
> Rivendell handling of the Roadini* and the pros may well outweigh the cons. 
> And of course, weighing the balance between pros and cons is largely a 
> matter of individual taste.
>
> Patrick Moore, ruthlessly botton-trimming his replies, in ABQ, NM.
>
> * I certainly loved this in the customs, and found it in the Ram and even 
> in the Sam, tho' the same had too much wheel flop for my taste.
>
> On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 1:31 PM Karl Wilcox  wrote:
>
>> It might be helpful when considering a Roadini to observe that frame 
>> stiffness or compliance are not the only things that matter.  I find my 
>> Roadini stiffer than I prefer, but the
>> Roadini offers other features that I just can't find in other production 
>> frames.  For instance, the roadini fits me perfectly and I can get my bars 
>> up higher without making the bicycle appear silly or handle funny (my bars 
>> are exactly 1 inch below my saddle height).  Also, I can ride 33c tires (I 
>> have the 2018 roadini), and the long wheelbase is wonderful.  The Roadini 
>> is also versatile: I ride it on trails and on pavement.  I can ride with 
>> fast club rides and I can do light touring, too.  I have a 1977 custom 
>> Mercian that is wonderfully compliant, but on fast descents it can be scary 
>> and it cannot carry any kind of load.  My point is that the Roadini has 
>> many virtues, but no individual frame can be any other frame. 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Front Rack for Rambouillet

[Ben Adrian]

I love this crazy, out of the box thinking, but 2 kgs seems like not 
quite enough load capacity.


Thanks!
Ben


On 1/28/2022 11:18 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
Here's an out-there suggestion for a "road" bike with no proper rack 
attachment points


Convert to Dia Compe GC610 centerpulls: 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/124254805889
Buy the Gran Compe ENE front rack: Dia-Compe Ene Front Rack Bag 
Luggage Carrier for Road Bikes Silver | eBay 

(optional), buy the adorable bag to fit: 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/333939881911
I ran this setup for a while on my Black Mountain Road, and it worked 
fine.  I ran a normal handlebar bag with a decaleur.


Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 11:45:00 AM UTC-8 bunny...@gmail.com 
wrote:


Hey all!

I have a Rambouillet which has caliper brakes as I'm sure most of
you know.

I'd love to put a rando style rack on the front. It only has
eyelets for
fenders, so I know I'll need to use hose/P clamps on the fork and a
mount at the brake bolt.

Anyway, I'd like to call on the experts here to find out what is the
favorite rack for this model. Any good front rack talk is
appreciated as
well.

Cheers!
Ben Adrian



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Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Patrick Moore]

Well said, Karl. Add to that the probably (I've not ridden one) signature
Rivendell handling of the Roadini* and the pros may well outweigh the cons.
And of course, weighing the balance between pros and cons is largely a
matter of individual taste.

Patrick Moore, ruthlessly botton-trimming his replies, in ABQ, NM.

* I certainly loved this in the customs, and found it in the Ram and even
in the Sam, tho' the same had too much wheel flop for my taste.

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 1:31 PM Karl Wilcox  wrote:

> It might be helpful when considering a Roadini to observe that frame
> stiffness or compliance are not the only things that matter.  I find my
> Roadini stiffer than I prefer, but the
> Roadini offers other features that I just can't find in other production
> frames.  For instance, the roadini fits me perfectly and I can get my bars
> up higher without making the bicycle appear silly or handle funny (my bars
> are exactly 1 inch below my saddle height).  Also, I can ride 33c tires (I
> have the 2018 roadini), and the long wheelbase is wonderful.  The Roadini
> is also versatile: I ride it on trails and on pavement.  I can ride with
> fast club rides and I can do light touring, too.  I have a 1977 custom
> Mercian that is wonderfully compliant, but on fast descents it can be scary
> and it cannot carry any kind of load.  My point is that the Roadini has
> many virtues, but no individual frame can be any other frame.
>

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Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Karl Wilcox]

It might be helpful when considering a Roadini to observe that frame
stiffness or compliance are not the only things that matter.  I find my
Roadini stiffer than I prefer, but the
Roadini offers other features that I just can't find in other production
frames.  For instance, the roadini fits me perfectly and I can get my bars
up higher without making the bicycle appear silly or handle funny (my bars
are exactly 1 inch below my saddle height).  Also, I can ride 33c tires (I
have the 2018 roadini), and the long wheelbase is wonderful.  The Roadini
is also versatile: I ride it on trails and on pavement.  I can ride with
fast club rides and I can do light touring, too.  I have a 1977 custom
Mercian that is wonderfully compliant, but on fast descents it can be scary
and it cannot carry any kind of load.  My point is that the Roadini has
many virtues, but no individual frame can be any other frame.

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 9:08 AM Brady Smith  wrote:

> This is a helpful thread. I was ready to jump on the next Roadini
> shipment, but this would be replacing a Jamis Aurora I no longer need, and
> that's already an old school touring bike with heavy-ish tubing and stable,
> boring ride quality. I have a bike's worth of parts parts that need a
> rim-brake home--thinking about getting another BMC monster cross instead.
>
> Brady in SLC
> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 9:54:40 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> It is a great orange :)
>>
>> On Friday, January 28, 2022, Jingy  wrote:
>>
>>> I bought the Roadini from Eric Daume after he was done with it. I like
>>> it, but I don't love it(other than the orange color). I've ridden it with a
>>> variety of 28-38mm wide tires. It handles fine,  and the fit is
>>> comfortable, it's just not a lively ride. I think it's overbuilt. If you
>>> are looking for a burly roadish bike, it may work for you, but if you are
>>> looking for a zippy road bike with fender and tire clearance, this isn't
>>> it.
>>> I was hoping for a budget Roadeo. I would like to try a Roadeo, but now
>>> I fear it is overbuilt as well. My wacked-out conspiracy theory is that all
>>> Rivs are overbuilt now because they can't afford to have any warranty
>>> claims.
>>> I have been meaning to sell the Roadini for months now, because I have
>>> other bikes I like(love) better, but I have been dragging my feet because
>>> orange! Plus I'm lazy about selling things.
>>>
>>> Jim in Mpls
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 8:43:17 PM UTC-6 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>>
 Regarding the Reynolds tubed bikes, my 1997 Lemond Zurich planed for me
 (Reynolds 853 61cm frame, me usually around 180 elbows). Max tire size is
 700x30. And it was a real hoot riding as a 650b conversion. The 650b
 conversion seemed to amplify the plani-ness of the frame. Its too bad those
 bikes don't fit 35 mm tires, in 622 size.  All City bikes are 853 too, but
 not all of them. I believe they accept tires wider than 30 mm.  Perhaps an
 All City may work for you. I have not had the opportunity to ride an All
 City bike.

 Mike SLO CA

 On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 6:28:39 PM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:

> A couple of summers ago, I sold my Cross Check to buy a Roadini. I
> liked the high stack of the Roadini (61cm), but the CC had better brakes,
> more clearance, more flexibility, and rode better.
>
> The Roadini felt like an old school touring bike to me.
>
> Eric
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:44 PM Ezra  wrote:
>
>> Greetings RBW Owners. My first post to the forum.
>>
>> Have you been a Roadini owner? Did the bike please you? I've heard
>> tell that Roadini's feel sluggish and heavy for road bikes. I've never
>> owned a Riv but I'm interested in trying them out. I'd be setting up the
>> bike with Waive bars.
>>
>> I'd also be interested to know what size you are. I've also heard
>> that Rivs tend to feel better on the larger side. No idea if it's true.
>>
>> Thanks for indulging my questions. I always find buying bikes sight
>> unseen difficult.
>>
>> Ezra
>> Michigan
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Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[peter stock]

FWIW my Sam Hillborne also strikes me as heavy, more plowhorse than 
thoroughbred.
I've never used the term "spritely" to describe its ride (as I often do 
with other bikes I own)

I just weighed it, complete. 12.74kgs / 28lbs
Not insanely heavy but up there.

Peter Stock
toronto.

On 2022-01-28 11:42, Jingy wrote:
I bought the Roadini from Eric Daume after he was done with it. I like 
it, but I don't love it(other than the orange color). I've ridden it 
with a variety of 28-38mm wide tires. It handles fine, and the fit is 
comfortable, it's just not a lively ride. I think it's overbuilt. If 
you are looking for a burly roadish bike, it may work for you, but if 
you are looking for a zippy road bike with fender and tire clearance, 
this isn't it.
I was hoping for a budget Roadeo. I would like to try a Roadeo, but 
now I fear it is overbuilt as well. My wacked-out conspiracy theory is 
that all Rivs are overbuilt now because they can't afford to have any 
warranty claims.
I have been meaning to sell the Roadini for months now, because I have 
other bikes I like(love) better, but I have been dragging my feet 
because orange! Plus I'm lazy about selling things.


Jim in Mpls

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 8:43:17 PM UTC-6 Mike Godwin wrote:

Regarding the Reynolds tubed bikes, my 1997 Lemond Zurich planed
for me (Reynolds 853 61cm frame, me usually around 180 elbows).
Max tire size is 700x30. And it was a real hoot riding as a 650b
conversion. The 650b conversion seemed to amplify the plani-ness
of the frame. Its too bad those bikes don't fit 35 mm tires, in
622 size.  All City bikes are 853 too, but not all of them. I
believe they accept tires wider than 30 mm. Perhaps an All City
may work for you. I have not had the opportunity to ride an All
City bike.

Mike SLO CA

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 6:28:39 PM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:

A couple of summers ago, I sold my Cross Check to buy a
Roadini. I liked the high stack of the Roadini (61cm), but the
CC had better brakes, more clearance, more flexibility, and
rode better.

The Roadini felt like an old school touring bike to me.

Eric

On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:44 PM Ezra  wrote:

Greetings RBW Owners. My first post to the forum.

Have you been a Roadini owner? Did the bike please you?
I've heard tell that Roadini's feel sluggish and heavy for
road bikes. I've never owned a Riv but I'm interested in
trying them out. I'd be setting up the bike with Waive bars.

I'd also be interested to know what size you are. I've
also heard that Rivs tend to feel better on the larger
side. No idea if it's true.

Thanks for indulging my questions. I always find buying
bikes sight unseen difficult.

Ezra
Michigan

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Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Eric White]

I'm intrigued by the idea of wider tires on the new Roadini but I currently
ride a Soma San Marcos that I'm pretty happy with. I can squeeze 38s in it
and the ride is pretty great for brevets and long leisurely rides. I do
like the 44s I'm running on a touring bike but I just don't know that I
need to move up to 42s on a new brevet bike.

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 11:17 AM Johnny Alien 
wrote:

> There are other factors that can make a bike seem sluggish other than the
> frame.  Honestly I think a good lightweight wheelset makes a huge
> difference. And the tires themselves.  Maybe the Gallop is different
> because of geometry but I find mine super zippy and my build is lightish.
> Probably around 21-22 pounds. But I do have the smallest frame (50cm)
>
> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 12:08:54 PM UTC-5 Brady Smith wrote:
>
>> This is a helpful thread. I was ready to jump on the next Roadini
>> shipment, but this would be replacing a Jamis Aurora I no longer need, and
>> that's already an old school touring bike with heavy-ish tubing and stable,
>> boring ride quality. I have a bike's worth of parts parts that need a
>> rim-brake home--thinking about getting another BMC monster cross instead.
>>
>> Brady in SLC
>> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 9:54:40 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> It is a great orange :)
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 28, 2022, Jingy  wrote:
>>>
 I bought the Roadini from Eric Daume after he was done with it. I like
 it, but I don't love it(other than the orange color). I've ridden it with a
 variety of 28-38mm wide tires. It handles fine,  and the fit is
 comfortable, it's just not a lively ride. I think it's overbuilt. If you
 are looking for a burly roadish bike, it may work for you, but if you are
 looking for a zippy road bike with fender and tire clearance, this isn't
 it.
 I was hoping for a budget Roadeo. I would like to try a Roadeo, but now
 I fear it is overbuilt as well. My wacked-out conspiracy theory is that all
 Rivs are overbuilt now because they can't afford to have any warranty
 claims.
 I have been meaning to sell the Roadini for months now, because I have
 other bikes I like(love) better, but I have been dragging my feet because
 orange! Plus I'm lazy about selling things.

 Jim in Mpls

 On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 8:43:17 PM UTC-6 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Regarding the Reynolds tubed bikes, my 1997 Lemond Zurich planed for
> me (Reynolds 853 61cm frame, me usually around 180 elbows). Max tire size
> is 700x30. And it was a real hoot riding as a 650b conversion. The 650b
> conversion seemed to amplify the plani-ness of the frame. Its too bad 
> those
> bikes don't fit 35 mm tires, in 622 size.  All City bikes are 853 too, but
> not all of them. I believe they accept tires wider than 30 mm.  Perhaps an
> All City may work for you. I have not had the opportunity to ride an All
> City bike.
>
> Mike SLO CA
>
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 6:28:39 PM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> A couple of summers ago, I sold my Cross Check to buy a Roadini. I
>> liked the high stack of the Roadini (61cm), but the CC had better brakes,
>> more clearance, more flexibility, and rode better.
>>
>> The Roadini felt like an old school touring bike to me.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:44 PM Ezra  wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings RBW Owners. My first post to the forum.
>>>
>>> Have you been a Roadini owner? Did the bike please you? I've heard
>>> tell that Roadini's feel sluggish and heavy for road bikes. I've never
>>> owned a Riv but I'm interested in trying them out. I'd be setting up the
>>> bike with Waive bars.
>>>
>>> I'd also be interested to know what size you are. I've also heard
>>> that Rivs tend to feel better on the larger side. No idea if it's true.
>>>
>>> Thanks for indulging my questions. I always find buying bikes sight
>>> unseen difficult.
>>>
>>> Ezra
>>> Michigan
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Re: [RBW] Re: Suggestions for a looooong saddlebag stand-off, ~120 mm long?

[Nick Payne]

That setup of mine is pretty quick release. Takes about 15 seconds to 
unhook the Voile straps and enlarge their loop so that the bag can be 
detached from the support, and slightly longer to hook them up when 
re-installing.

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell & Crust products for sale

[Joe Hall]

All bars have been sold & I also made a typo in the original posting, I 
have corrected it below. 

The Talus stem is still available,  25.4 x *12 cm*

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 12:44:43 PM UTC-7 Joe Hall wrote:

>
>- SOLD Crust Cut Loose 
>- SOLD Rivendell Albatross 
>
> *Still Available*
> Rivendell Billie Bars New 580 x 25.4
> Talux 110cm stem 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 5:44:30 PM UTC-7 Andrew Huston wrote:
>
>> Interested in the billies or the loose bars. 
>>
>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 7:29:32 PM UTC-5 Justin wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Joe, 
>>> I'm in Tucson as well, just moved here actually. I may take the Billie 
>>> bars off your hands
>>>
>>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 5:46:51 PM UTC-7 joseph...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I've got some Rivendell & Crust items for sale, located in Tucson.  

 Rivendell Billie Bars New 580 x 25.4 New $100 Shipped

 Rivendell Albatross Bars 55cm x 25.4 New $100 Shipped

 Nitto X Crust Loose Bars 31.8 New $100 Shipped

 Nitto Talux Stem 110 cm New $70 Shipped 

 Thanks for looking, shipping within the US only. 

 Best,
 Joe

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini heavy?

[Jonathan D.]

I agree with Bill's take but I often do.  I have the Roadini, Rambouillet 
and Roadeo.  All ride great.  The Roadeo is setup as a light road bike and 
built up differently so hard to compare.  The Roadini definitely reminds me 
of the Romulus in feel, but also built in a similar way.  On my Ram I can 
run 35 mm tires with fenders but haven't tried not he Roadini.  I would 
probably choose my Ram over the Roadini but love the classic lugs and 
orange.  I tried selling the Roadini but didn't put much effort into it, 
but only because all three is excessive. 

I also love my BMC Monstercross and run got the disc with 42 mm tires in 
pink. I wouldn't compare the bikes and I use them for different purposes 
but can't go wrong with any BMC or Rivendell.  The Model 0 BMC looks 
awesome.

On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 10:03:17 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Ezra asked:
>
> Have you been a Roadini owner? 
>
> *Yes, I have*
>
> Did the bike please you? 
>
> *Yes, it did.  I did my fastest ever 200k brevet on my Roadini.  *
>
> I've heard tell that Roadini's feel sluggish and heavy for road bikes. 
>
> *I've heard the same, but have not experienced that feeling myself, and 
> have not heard any individual articulate any objective physical 
> characteristic that says anything about the bike.  They can only describe 
> what they feel when they ride a particular build.  Are my builds better 
> than everybody else's builds?  Maybe, I don't know.  Am I more easy to 
> please, when cycling?  Probably.  I LOVE cycling.  The most 'boring' day on 
> the bike is better than most days off the bike.  Do I spend more time 
> searching for things to like, while others spend more time searching for 
> things not to like?  Maybe.  Do I spend more time "riding" and less time 
> "zipping about", "throwing the bike around", and such?  Perhaps.  I'm 
> certain some riders want their road bike to feel like a crit bike (or a 
> track bike) and that's very very cool.  Rivendells are objectively not like 
> crit bikes or track bikes.  *
>
> I've never owned a Riv but I'm interested in trying them out. I'd be 
> setting up the bike with Waive bars. 
>
> *Interesting.  I ran my Roadini with drops and then with Albastache bars.  
> I bet it would be fun with Wavie bars.  *
>
> *I have a huge stable of bikes, and I tend to appreciate each build for 
> exactly what it is, rather than handwring over the things it is not.  
> That's how I'm wired.  Other folks are wired differently.  Bike reviews all 
> read to me like personality tests.  People who diss a particular bike and 
> laud some other bike are telling me more about themselves than the 
> bicycles.  Since that's all you really have to go on, I think the best 
> thing is to figure out which "reviewer" has tastes and temperaments most 
> like you, and then bet on the likelihood that you'll like what they like.  
> Purely subjective reviews from strangers are not nothing, but they are also 
> not everything.  In my humble opinion.   *
>
> *Bill Lindsay*
> *El Cerrito, CA*
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 11:44:32 AM UTC-8 Ezra wrote:
>
>> Greetings RBW Owners. My first post to the forum. 
>>
>> Have you been a Roadini owner? Did the bike please you? I've heard tell 
>> that Roadini's feel sluggish and heavy for road bikes. I've never owned a 
>> Riv but I'm interested in trying them out. I'd be setting up the bike with 
>> Waive bars. 
>>
>> I'd also be interested to know what size you are. I've also heard that 
>> Rivs tend to feel better on the larger side. No idea if it's true. 
>>
>> Thanks for indulging my questions. I always find buying bikes sight 
>> unseen difficult. 
>>
>> Ezra
>> Michigan 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Riv SimpleOne Color/Cream Headtube change Question

[lconley]

The tires are Rivendell Fatty Rumpkin green, 650B x 41 on VO Touring wheels.
The handlebars are Albatross Cro-Mo 55.
This was the day it arrived and these were the components that I already 
had on hand.
It is currently is in the process of having a Crust Clydesdale Cargo Fork 
and Bafang Middrive installed.

Laing

On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 2:42:21 PM UTC-5 Doug H. wrote:

> Laing,
> What kind of tires and handlebars do you have on there? Are you still 
> riding it and this photo was during some components changes?
> Doug
>
> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 12:17:12 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>
>> I got a black Clementine 52 frame in the original order. The idea was 
>> that Rivendell would let you specify a name instead of "Clementine" or 
>> "Clem Smith, Jr., and then that became a plain frame with the letter decals 
>> in an envelope, but the maker had put the Clementine decals on already, 
>> when the frames arrived. Rivendell offered to send the envelope of letter 
>> decals so I took them up on it - I still have them. The bike also came with 
>> two Clem headtube badges, a pewter colored one and a bronze colored one. 
>> The pewter colored one is on the bike, the bronze one is in the toolbox.
>> The Clementine forks were originally supposed to be plain, but instead 
>> came with the standard Rivendell cream details.
>>
>> [image: IMG_0209 (2).JPG]
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 1:05:33 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I remember this process for the Clem, which went the opposite direction. 
>>> Originally it was supposed to come in a flat black you could bang around on 
>>> commutes, then touch up with a spray can. I believe the decals were going 
>>> to be stick-on and come in a baggy so you could leave them off. Somewhere 
>>> along the line Grant decided Clems were going to be pretty. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 9:50:39 PM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>>

 I'm almost certain there were more produced in the burgundy color than 
 just a prototype or two.  I think there was a choice between that color 
 and 
 the green, but perhaps not in equal numbers.  You could probably spend 
 some 
 time on the wayback machine (internet archive) and find out for sure.  

 As to the lack of creme headtube, it was probably an aspiration that 
 didn't pencil out once the final costs were known.  The thing about 
 Rivendell is that they are very open about sharing details as projects and 
 ideas develop.  It is fun watching the process and is nice in that you get 
 to plan and anticipate,  but can lead to disapointment if you get your 
 heart set on something and become emotionally invested. Details always 
 change.

 I'd say paint it as you'd like it.  If it's a quality, professional 
 paint job and in a subdued, tasteful color that works with the decal, it's 
 not like the bike is devalued.  Same with adding the creme headtube and 
 wings and window fill, if that's what you like.

 When the quickbeam (the japan- made predecessor and template for the 
 simple one)  was in production, I think there were a couple of one-off 
 versions made, with fancier lugs and/or fancier paint.  In fact, Riv used 
 to offer the option of custom paint
  on production models, at the buyer's expense and in approved colors.
 On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 12:40:52 PM UTC-7 jasonz...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Hi All, I'm new here, **Shout out to any Riv folks in Omaha.   Anyway, 
> I have been digging into the Riv Blog history and haven't been able to 
> find 
> the content surrounding the rational behind the changes to the 
> simpleone... 
> Initially the description states it would be a "fancier paint" with cream 
> headtube and also a dark red color, then slime green with cream accents, 
> then it was released entirely in dark "slime" green.  Does anyone here 
> have 
> any further insight on the changes?  I am working on a restoration 
> project 
> of a SimpleOne and have chosen to go with the prototype Burgundy color 
> with 
> cream head tube and fork accents.  I am looking forward to it being what 
> may have been the OG intent for the color way of this bike.
>
> Thoughts?
>


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[RBW] Re: Riv SimpleOne Color/Cream Headtube change Question

[Doug H.]

Laing,
What kind of tires and handlebars do you have on there? Are you still 
riding it and this photo was during some components changes?
Doug

On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 12:17:12 PM UTC-5 lconley wrote:

> I got a black Clementine 52 frame in the original order. The idea was that 
> Rivendell would let you specify a name instead of "Clementine" or "Clem 
> Smith, Jr., and then that became a plain frame with the letter decals in an 
> envelope, but the maker had put the Clementine decals on already, when the 
> frames arrived. Rivendell offered to send the envelope of letter decals so 
> I took them up on it - I still have them. The bike also came with two Clem 
> headtube badges, a pewter colored one and a bronze colored one. The pewter 
> colored one is on the bike, the bronze one is in the toolbox.
> The Clementine forks were originally supposed to be plain, but instead 
> came with the standard Rivendell cream details.
>
> [image: IMG_0209 (2).JPG]
>
> Laing
>
> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 1:05:33 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I remember this process for the Clem, which went the opposite direction. 
>> Originally it was supposed to come in a flat black you could bang around on 
>> commutes, then touch up with a spray can. I believe the decals were going 
>> to be stick-on and come in a baggy so you could leave them off. Somewhere 
>> along the line Grant decided Clems were going to be pretty. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 9:50:39 PM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I'm almost certain there were more produced in the burgundy color than 
>>> just a prototype or two.  I think there was a choice between that color and 
>>> the green, but perhaps not in equal numbers.  You could probably spend some 
>>> time on the wayback machine (internet archive) and find out for sure.  
>>>
>>> As to the lack of creme headtube, it was probably an aspiration that 
>>> didn't pencil out once the final costs were known.  The thing about 
>>> Rivendell is that they are very open about sharing details as projects and 
>>> ideas develop.  It is fun watching the process and is nice in that you get 
>>> to plan and anticipate,  but can lead to disapointment if you get your 
>>> heart set on something and become emotionally invested. Details always 
>>> change.
>>>
>>> I'd say paint it as you'd like it.  If it's a quality, professional 
>>> paint job and in a subdued, tasteful color that works with the decal, it's 
>>> not like the bike is devalued.  Same with adding the creme headtube and 
>>> wings and window fill, if that's what you like.
>>>
>>> When the quickbeam (the japan- made predecessor and template for the 
>>> simple one)  was in production, I think there were a couple of one-off 
>>> versions made, with fancier lugs and/or fancier paint.  In fact, Riv used 
>>> to offer the option of custom paint
>>>  on production models, at the buyer's expense and in approved colors.
>>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 12:40:52 PM UTC-7 jasonz...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi All, I'm new here, **Shout out to any Riv folks in Omaha.   Anyway, 
 I have been digging into the Riv Blog history and haven't been able to 
 find 
 the content surrounding the rational behind the changes to the 
 simpleone... 
 Initially the description states it would be a "fancier paint" with cream 
 headtube and also a dark red color, then slime green with cream accents, 
 then it was released entirely in dark "slime" green.  Does anyone here 
 have 
 any further insight on the changes?  I am working on a restoration project 
 of a SimpleOne and have chosen to go with the prototype Burgundy color 
 with 
 cream head tube and fork accents.  I am looking forward to it being what 
 may have been the OG intent for the color way of this bike.

 Thoughts?

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Question about the 1995 Waterford Road standard

[Patrick Moore]

Curious: are the smaller HHs and Roadeos built for 26" wheels?

I know that if I were in the market for a top-level, light road bike I'd
certainly consider the Roadeo (700c wheels in my size, of course).

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[RBW] Re: Front Rack for Rambouillet

[Bill Lindsay]

Here's an out-there suggestion for a "road" bike with no proper rack 
attachment points

Convert to Dia Compe GC610 
centerpulls:  https://www.ebay.com/itm/124254805889
Buy the Gran Compe ENE front rack:  Dia-Compe Ene Front Rack Bag Luggage 
Carrier for Road Bikes Silver | eBay 
(optional), buy the adorable bag to fit:  
https://www.ebay.com/itm/333939881911
 
I ran this setup for a while on my Black Mountain Road, and it worked 
fine.  I ran a normal handlebar bag with a decaleur.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 11:45:00 AM UTC-8 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all!
>
> I have a Rambouillet which has caliper brakes as I'm sure most of you know.
>
> I'd love to put a rando style rack on the front. It only has eyelets for 
> fenders, so I know I'll need to use hose/P clamps on the fork and a 
> mount at the brake bolt.
>
> Anyway, I'd like to call on the experts here to find out what is the 
> favorite rack for this model. Any good front rack talk is appreciated as 
> well.
>
> Cheers!
> Ben Adrian
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Cold Weather Riding Gear

[Patrick Moore]

Joyce and others: a question and some remarks.

On Fri, Jan 28, 2022 at 11:49 AM JAS  wrote:

> *Showers Pass jacket with pit zips for core ventilation.


1. I always assumed that SP jackets were meant for rain. Question: Do they
serve well (because of pit zips) as an outer layer and insulator for
dry-weather cold-temperature (32 south to teens) over wool layers?

*Outdoor Research winter gloves with long gauntlet
>

ODR or other, certainly yes to long gauntlets. I very often will wear
repurposed street gloves (like the Bundeswehr pair) that are very nice but
leave a 1/2" gap between end of cuff and beginning of glove; not nice at
25*!


> wearing a fanny pack or waist pack will also help keep the cold from
> coming up the bottom of your jacket
>

Rant begins! *Cycling bottoms, tights or pants, should have waists high
enough in the back that even when in the hooks of a drop bar the waistband
does not separate from your top layer!!!* I can't say how many, often
expensive winter riding pants I've bought only to find that they are
stupidly, stupidly cut like last year's hipster jeans. I've had expensive
pants -- Enduras, Osloh jeans so beloved of BSNYC -- retailored in the
waist to fit more snugly and reduce this gapping tendency. And I'm not
talking of gapping due to an oversized belly and slipping waist, either.
Rant ends.

But the most comfortable riding bottoms of all, ever, besides
cycling-specific tights (which seem all to be cut high in back) are
converted mens' dress pants from long before today's modern, low-cut and
tight re-makes of 1960s pants. These come up high enough to well overlap or
underlap your jersey, and to hold a tucked-in layer securely tucked in when
you are bent over the hooks. (Speaking of 1960s: 1960s dress pants are old
even for me, but I recall owning in the mid 1980s a very nice pair of dress
wools that must have been 20 years old then: pegged like Jack Kennedy but
high in waist like your grandfather's pants. Wish I'd kept them.)

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[RBW] Re: trip report: Virginia to Walnut Creek on my Atlantis

[dougP]

That's one of the most complete trip reports I've read.  Great job on 
taking notes & photos as you went.  I've heard others mention the problem 
with dogs in Kentucky.  Hard to believe only 3 flats!  Gotta be a record.

doug

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 7:29:16 PM UTC-8 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Nice write-up Tom. 2011 or 2021?  Either way it appears to have been a 
> great trip. I'm looking forward to my cross-country jaunt.
>
> Mike SLO CA
>
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 11:45:00 AM UTC-8 tgc wrote:
>
>> http://tomheadswest.blogspot.com/
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Cold Weather Riding Gear

[JAS]

Lots of good advice here!  I use much of the same techniques and have my 
favorite "go to" stuff from cross country skiing and several years of bike 
commuting in Denver.  It doesn't get as cold in the PNW but here's what I 
like when it gets cold:

*Smart Wool quarter zip long sleeve shirts (usually 2, sometimes with a 
wool sleeveless as well)
*wool vest (when it gets into the 20s)
*Showers Pass jacket with pit zips for core ventilation.  
*wool long underwear
*bike pants with windproof front, breathable back.
*waterproof hiking shoes with wool socks 
*Outdoor Research winter gloves with long gauntlet
*ankle straps for visibility and to keep the cold from coming up the pant 
leg (wearing a fanny pack or waist pack will also help keep the cold from 
coming up the bottom of your jacket)

Leah, there's a "berry" colored Showers Pass jacket that would be very 
pretty with your Platy.  
https://www.showerspass.com/products/womens-syncline-cc-jacket?variant=19622463897688
 

Good luck and keep riding!

#RivSisters,
Joyce

On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 10:22:48 AM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Thanks. That would be ideal. The "see something similar) models that the 
> REI site sent me to showed me only fleece and all-synthetic alternatives.
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 9:21 PM  wrote:
>
>> I’ve been wearing an Arc’Teryx A2B Commuter jacket this winter and I’m 
>> really liking it. It has Gore Windstopper on the front panels and open 
>> weave wool panels on the back to vent heat. 
>>
>> No pit zips but I find that opening the zipper allows plenty of air in to 
>> release excess heat. Not made any more but I found one on close out. Here 
>> is REI’s description of the jacket:
>>
>> https://www.rei.com/product/133629/arcteryx-a2b-comp-jacket-mens
>>
>> Robert Tilley
>> San Diego, CA
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jan 27, 2022, at 3:43 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> I'll be particularly interested in others' opinions on the Junction and 
>> on other, similar non-wool, wind-front jackets with pit zips. In 
>> particular, whether they allow comfort over a, say, 30* temp range, by 
>> opening front and pit zips as temps rise.
>>
>> I'll often ride out in the 20s and come back in the 50s, and yes, a shell 
>> of some sort is very nice at 20*F and wind.
>>
>> I have a light lined shell -- ie, mid-weight nylon shell with light 
>> lining of some sort. Fine at 20 or 30 over a wool jersey or wool jersey and 
>> Ibex wool vest, but sweaty at 45 or 50 until I had pit zips installed; 
>> unzip front 1/4, open pits, flowthrough solves that problem.
>>
>> Is the Junction similar? Are there other cycling jackets (pockets, 
>> please!) with high, zipped neck and pit zips?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 9:28 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> REI jacket is not, admittedly, wool. But it gets wonderful reviews and it 
>> does have pit vents, reflectors and is made from recycled nylon so it’s not 
>> contributing to the landfill problem. The hood is meant to fit over the 
>> helmet - a huge plus.
>>
>> [image: image.jpeg]
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Re: [RBW] Cold Weather Riding Gear

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks. That would be ideal. The "see something similar) models that the
REI site sent me to showed me only fleece and all-synthetic alternatives.

On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 9:21 PM  wrote:

> I’ve been wearing an Arc’Teryx A2B Commuter jacket this winter and I’m
> really liking it. It has Gore Windstopper on the front panels and open
> weave wool panels on the back to vent heat.
>
> No pit zips but I find that opening the zipper allows plenty of air in to
> release excess heat. Not made any more but I found one on close out. Here
> is REI’s description of the jacket:
>
> https://www.rei.com/product/133629/arcteryx-a2b-comp-jacket-mens
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 27, 2022, at 3:43 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
> I'll be particularly interested in others' opinions on the Junction and on
> other, similar non-wool, wind-front jackets with pit zips. In particular,
> whether they allow comfort over a, say, 30* temp range, by opening front
> and pit zips as temps rise.
>
> I'll often ride out in the 20s and come back in the 50s, and yes, a shell
> of some sort is very nice at 20*F and wind.
>
> I have a light lined shell -- ie, mid-weight nylon shell with light lining
> of some sort. Fine at 20 or 30 over a wool jersey or wool jersey and Ibex
> wool vest, but sweaty at 45 or 50 until I had pit zips installed; unzip
> front 1/4, open pits, flowthrough solves that problem.
>
> Is the Junction similar? Are there other cycling jackets (pockets,
> please!) with high, zipped neck and pit zips?
>
> Thanks,
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 9:28 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> REI jacket is not, admittedly, wool. But it gets wonderful reviews and it
> does have pit vents, reflectors and is made from recycled nylon so it’s not
> contributing to the landfill problem. The hood is meant to fit over the
> helmet - a huge plus.
>
> [image: image.jpeg]
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[RBW] Re: Front Rack for Rambouillet

[Minh]

i have a similarly aged Quickbeam and use pclamps on the fork.  yes its 
ugly, yes its a little fiddly to install the first time, but its been on 
there for 10+ years at this point, supporting a much too big wald basket, a 
platrack and now a more reasonable sized basket.   though not elegant it 
works.   

as others mention, if you have the room, a hanging-off-the-handlebar bag is 
the new norm, with or without a small rack underneath to support
On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 2:45:00 PM UTC-5 bunny...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey all!
>
> I have a Rambouillet which has caliper brakes as I'm sure most of you know.
>
> I'd love to put a rando style rack on the front. It only has eyelets for 
> fenders, so I know I'll need to use hose/P clamps on the fork and a 
> mount at the brake bolt.
>
> Anyway, I'd like to call on the experts here to find out what is the 
> favorite rack for this model. Any good front rack talk is appreciated as 
> well.
>
> Cheers!
> Ben Adrian
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Cold Weather Riding Gear

[Patrick Moore]

Well, saving $405 is worth a bit of ebay and sale searches! Thanks.

On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 8:52 PM Richard Rose  wrote:

> I know! Me too. I got mine for $70.00! I will say that if I could afford
> $475.00, I would want one. 7 mesh have other jackets. I would check out
> their website as their might be another product that might do the trick.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 27, 2022, at 9:43 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> 
> Thank you, Danny and Richard.
>
> I'd better look on Ebay, because $475 is out of my price range!
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 7:38 PM Dee Dee  wrote:
>
>> Patrick, 7mesh is the maker of the Revelation jacket Richard mentioned.
>>
>> https://7mesh.com/mens-revelation-jacket
>>
>> -Danny
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[RBW] Re: Riv backpack?

[Matthew P]

I thought this had sold already. Wally should take it. If not, I'm 
interested.
-Matthew in San Diego

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 11:44:19 AM UTC-8 Zach Hale wrote:

> I've got a stick pack for sale if anyone's interested. $80 + ship
>
> https://www.instagram.com/p/CY-S0RRJD-G/?utm_medium=copy_link
>
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 3:08:55 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Some more info for you:
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-01-16 at 6.08.08 PM.png]
>>
>> On Saturday, January 15, 2022 at 4:57:54 PM UTC-5 Corwin wrote:
>>
>>> Not take anything away from the backpack being offered - but Rivendell 
>>> Mountain Works is in business again:
>>>
>>> https://www.rivendellmountainworks.com/
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>>
>>> Corwin
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 12:46:41 PM UTC-8 Norman R wrote:
>>>
 RMW backpack (favorably remarked upon by Grant, I recall). Barely used, 
 no blemishes. If this is what you meant, let me know.

 On Monday, January 10, 2022 at 3:09:19 PM UTC-5 Wally Estrella wrote:

> sorry, I can't recall the name of the RBW backpacks from many moons 
> ago.
> Anyone have one in decent condition they'd part with?  I'd trade a 
> new/unworn short brimmed orange RBW hat and $ for one it. 
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/grant-petersens-blog/aug-20-no-26-lugs-new-bikes-used-bikes
>
> Thanks,
> Wally in the land of only one area code.
>


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[RBW] Re: Question about the 1995 Waterford Road standard

[Ryan]

Gee...not to complicate things...because in the related thread I said you 
could probably make the original work for you...but maybe, since you have a 
new gravel bike, AND you rode a Roadeo and really liked it, maybe the new 
Roadeo is the way to go. It IS built by Mark Nobilette and it is 2800.00, 
but it has 51 and 53 cm sizes and you have a range of options , including 
paint sosomething to consider

https://www.rivbike.com/products/roadeo  

As others have said about the older frame, special as it is, there may be 
some fit/component options that you have to work around /compromise. 

Good luck , whatever you decide
On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 1:42:26 PM UTC-6 Adrianna T wrote:

> Definitely a toss up at the moment because of price, and how I am not sure 
> it will be 100% a perfect fit. But it's tempting because of the color and 
> how it's not that common to come by. 
>
> I don't actually own a Riv at the moment, but have ridden a friend's 
> Roadeo, and loved it; so either I go into this for the heck of it, or I try 
> to get a new Roadini, Roadeo or Atlantis. I have a fancy modern gravel bike 
> right now, which I like, but I think for the same weight I probably prefer 
> the Riv style of things.
>
> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 9:08:32 PM UTC-8 Corwin wrote:
>
>> The Mountain Bike Museum sells lots more than frames...
>>
>> Every time I go by there, I am tempted by at least a couple of their 
>> bikes.
>>
>>
>> Corwin
>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 5:06:47 PM UTC-8 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>>> Didn't realize the Mountain Bike Museum was selling frames
>>> Road Standard dimensions are on this never-quite finished resource - 
>>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/gen1/
>>>
>>> Here's the direct link to the image
>>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/rbw/gen1/rivcat05_framespecs.jpg
>>>
>>> I will say it sort hurts to hear a '95 described as "vintage" but 
>>> there ya go.
>>>
>>> Good frame - won't have quite the tire clearances we're seeing on more 
>>> recent models, of course. Horizontal dropouts, too. 
>>>
>>> Jim
>>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 4:49:47 PM UTC-8 Adrianna T wrote:
>>>
 Hi folks,

 I saw this ad and I am very tempted: 
 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/d/fairfax-wow-beautiful-1995-rivendell/7429374409.html

 I'm going to see it next week to decide.

 1. I am 5' 5 female, any ideas on whether this will fit me? 

 2. This will be my first vintage bike, and I am so excited! Any other 
 tips or advice on this particular frame? 

 -Adrianna

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Roadini heavy?

[Bill Lindsay]

Ezra asked:

Have you been a Roadini owner? 

*Yes, I have*

Did the bike please you? 

*Yes, it did.  I did my fastest ever 200k brevet on my Roadini.  *

I've heard tell that Roadini's feel sluggish and heavy for road bikes. 

*I've heard the same, but have not experienced that feeling myself, and 
have not heard any individual articulate any objective physical 
characteristic that says anything about the bike.  They can only describe 
what they feel when they ride a particular build.  Are my builds better 
than everybody else's builds?  Maybe, I don't know.  Am I more easy to 
please, when cycling?  Probably.  I LOVE cycling.  The most 'boring' day on 
the bike is better than most days off the bike.  Do I spend more time 
searching for things to like, while others spend more time searching for 
things not to like?  Maybe.  Do I spend more time "riding" and less time 
"zipping about", "throwing the bike around", and such?  Perhaps.  I'm 
certain some riders want their road bike to feel like a crit bike (or a 
track bike) and that's very very cool.  Rivendells are objectively not like 
crit bikes or track bikes.  *

I've never owned a Riv but I'm interested in trying them out. I'd be 
setting up the bike with Waive bars. 

*Interesting.  I ran my Roadini with drops and then with Albastache bars.  
I bet it would be fun with Wavie bars.  *

*I have a huge stable of bikes, and I tend to appreciate each build for 
exactly what it is, rather than handwring over the things it is not.  
That's how I'm wired.  Other folks are wired differently.  Bike reviews all 
read to me like personality tests.  People who diss a particular bike and 
laud some other bike are telling me more about themselves than the 
bicycles.  Since that's all you really have to go on, I think the best 
thing is to figure out which "reviewer" has tastes and temperaments most 
like you, and then bet on the likelihood that you'll like what they like.  
Purely subjective reviews from strangers are not nothing, but they are also 
not everything.  In my humble opinion.   *

*Bill Lindsay*
*El Cerrito, CA*
On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 11:44:32 AM UTC-8 Ezra wrote:

> Greetings RBW Owners. My first post to the forum. 
>
> Have you been a Roadini owner? Did the bike please you? I've heard tell 
> that Roadini's feel sluggish and heavy for road bikes. I've never owned a 
> Riv but I'm interested in trying them out. I'd be setting up the bike with 
> Waive bars. 
>
> I'd also be interested to know what size you are. I've also heard that 
> Rivs tend to feel better on the larger side. No idea if it's true. 
>
> Thanks for indulging my questions. I always find buying bikes sight unseen 
> difficult. 
>
> Ezra
> Michigan 
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Simworks Goodluck bag - $150 shipped

[Jim S.]

sold, thank you.

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 12:06:26 PM UTC-6 Jim S. wrote:

> final bump - $120 shipped. 
>
> On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 5:49:48 PM UTC-6 Jim S. wrote:
>
>> Bump. $140 shipped. 
>>
>> On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 4:54:24 PM UTC-6 Jim S. wrote:
>>
>>> Never been on a bike. Never had an item in it. It looks like Simworks 
>>> doesn't sell these any more. This bag could go in a basket, but no basket 
>>> is necessary. Instead, it can click to a rack. I think it's tailor-made for 
>>> the Obento rack. I paid $175 for it in April 2020. It's burgundy waxed 
>>> canvas. It comes with a detachable shoulder strap, which is shown in one of 
>>> the photos.
>>>
>>> Here are photos:
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/F2qXs6KDp6PxtEq8A
>>>
>>> Here's a link to a product description. I couldn't find it on the 
>>> Simworks page. But there are nice photos and description at this link, if 
>>> you scroll down:
>>>
>>> https://circles-jp.com/bags/74316/
>>>
>>> Thank you for any interest.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Johnny Alien]

There are other factors that can make a bike seem sluggish other than the 
frame.  Honestly I think a good lightweight wheelset makes a huge 
difference. And the tires themselves.  Maybe the Gallop is different 
because of geometry but I find mine super zippy and my build is lightish.  
Probably around 21-22 pounds. But I do have the smallest frame (50cm)

On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 12:08:54 PM UTC-5 Brady Smith wrote:

> This is a helpful thread. I was ready to jump on the next Roadini 
> shipment, but this would be replacing a Jamis Aurora I no longer need, and 
> that's already an old school touring bike with heavy-ish tubing and stable, 
> boring ride quality. I have a bike's worth of parts parts that need a 
> rim-brake home--thinking about getting another BMC monster cross instead. 
>
> Brady in SLC
> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 9:54:40 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> It is a great orange :)
>>
>> On Friday, January 28, 2022, Jingy  wrote:
>>
>>> I bought the Roadini from Eric Daume after he was done with it. I like 
>>> it, but I don't love it(other than the orange color). I've ridden it with a 
>>> variety of 28-38mm wide tires. It handles fine,  and the fit is 
>>> comfortable, it's just not a lively ride. I think it's overbuilt. If you 
>>> are looking for a burly roadish bike, it may work for you, but if you are 
>>> looking for a zippy road bike with fender and tire clearance, this isn't 
>>> it. 
>>> I was hoping for a budget Roadeo. I would like to try a Roadeo, but now 
>>> I fear it is overbuilt as well. My wacked-out conspiracy theory is that all 
>>> Rivs are overbuilt now because they can't afford to have any warranty 
>>> claims.
>>> I have been meaning to sell the Roadini for months now, because I have 
>>> other bikes I like(love) better, but I have been dragging my feet because 
>>> orange! Plus I'm lazy about selling things.
>>>
>>> Jim in Mpls
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 8:43:17 PM UTC-6 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>>
 Regarding the Reynolds tubed bikes, my 1997 Lemond Zurich planed for me 
 (Reynolds 853 61cm frame, me usually around 180 elbows). Max tire size is 
 700x30. And it was a real hoot riding as a 650b conversion. The 650b 
 conversion seemed to amplify the plani-ness of the frame. Its too bad 
 those 
 bikes don't fit 35 mm tires, in 622 size.  All City bikes are 853 too, but 
 not all of them. I believe they accept tires wider than 30 mm.  Perhaps an 
 All City may work for you. I have not had the opportunity to ride an All 
 City bike.

 Mike SLO CA 

 On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 6:28:39 PM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:

> A couple of summers ago, I sold my Cross Check to buy a Roadini. I 
> liked the high stack of the Roadini (61cm), but the CC had better brakes, 
> more clearance, more flexibility, and rode better.
>
> The Roadini felt like an old school touring bike to me.
>
> Eric
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:44 PM Ezra  wrote:
>
>> Greetings RBW Owners. My first post to the forum. 
>>
>> Have you been a Roadini owner? Did the bike please you? I've heard 
>> tell that Roadini's feel sluggish and heavy for road bikes. I've never 
>> owned a Riv but I'm interested in trying them out. I'd be setting up the 
>> bike with Waive bars. 
>>
>> I'd also be interested to know what size you are. I've also heard 
>> that Rivs tend to feel better on the larger side. No idea if it's true. 
>>
>> Thanks for indulging my questions. I always find buying bikes sight 
>> unseen difficult. 
>>
>> Ezra
>> Michigan 
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[RBW] Re: FS: 59cm Waterford Roadeo

[Gabriel Bruguier]

Bump:  Price reduction to $3000, with split shipping costs.

On Thursday, January 20, 2022 at 11:32:28 AM UTC-6 Gabriel Bruguier wrote:

> Bump
>
> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 3:52:48 PM UTC-6 Gabriel Bruguier wrote:
>
>> Clearance with 38's is a little tight in the chainstays, but within the 
>> still safe range.
>>
>> Martin, yes there a handful of us pedaling around Lincoln!  
>>
>> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 10:58:40 AM UTC-6 bdcamp...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> 33 w/ fenders.
>>> On Friday, January 14, 2022 at 11:14:45 AM UTC-5 BobW wrote:
>>>
 Nice looking Roadeo!   I thought the Roadeo maxed out at 33.3 width 
 tires??  How did you manage to get 38's on there?   Are the clearances 
 really tight??



 On Thursday, January 13, 2022 at 8:07:33 PM UTC-5 Gabriel Bruguier 
 wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Up for sale is my 59cm Roadeo, built by Waterford, with threaded 
> fork.  It is the Maroon colorway shown on the Riv product page 
>  (or very close to that 
> color).  This frame has mid-fork eyelets installed.  As far as I know, I 
> am 
> the third owner.  I bought it off a fellow RBWOB lister last winter, rode 
> it over the spring and summer, but it has been stored in the garage since 
> then.  I love the bike but I don't foresee as much use as I'd like, and 
> would rather send it on to a new home.
>
> Frame is in good used shape.  There are plenty of signs of beausage on 
> the paint, but no dents or rust.  I sprayed it with Boeshield before 
> building it up.  It has never been crashed to my knowledge.
>
> Here's Riv's geometry chart with a link to PBH sizing recommendations. 
>   My PBH is 
> right around 85, and this size worked for me.
>
> Photos are here. 
> 
>  
>
> The build list is below.  The front der, wheels, brakes, brake levers, 
> and shifters were from a previous build, but are in good shape.  Though 
> there is some scraping on shifters and levers.  All other parts were 
> bought 
> new.
>
> I am asking $3500 for the complete bike, plus LBS packing fee, and 
> shipping to lower 48.  Located in Lincoln, NE.  I am not interested in 
> trades.  I might be open to parting it out, if there isn't interest in 
> the 
> complete.
>
> Please contact me off list with questions or offers.  Thank you for 
> reading,
> -Gabe
>
> Cockpit: 
> Nitto/Crust Shaka bars, 54cm
> Nitto/Crust stem (30 degree, 60mm)
> TRP RRL SL levers
> Microshift bar ends, 11 sp
> ESI bar tape
> Cane Creek 100 headset
>
> Drivetrain:
> Wheels: Velocity A23 rims, XT hubs, hand built at Monkey Wrench Cyles 
> 
> Butted spokes, black hardware
> Compass Barlow Pass EL
> Tubes with Orange Seal sealant
> White Industries R30 double crankset (46tX36t)
> White Industries bottom bracket
> Simworks bubbly pedals
> Ultegra rear der (11 speed)
> 9 Sp XT cassette 11-32
> 105 front der
>
> Brakes:
> Paul Racer centerpulls
> Paul Funky Monkey cable stop
> Paul Moon units
>
> Saddle: Brooks C17 carved
> Seatpost: Nitto S65
>
> (Spurcycle bell in photos is not included) 
>


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Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Brady Smith]

This is a helpful thread. I was ready to jump on the next Roadini shipment, 
but this would be replacing a Jamis Aurora I no longer need, and that's 
already an old school touring bike with heavy-ish tubing and stable, boring 
ride quality. I have a bike's worth of parts parts that need a rim-brake 
home--thinking about getting another BMC monster cross instead. 

Brady in SLC
On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 9:54:40 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> It is a great orange :)
>
> On Friday, January 28, 2022, Jingy  wrote:
>
>> I bought the Roadini from Eric Daume after he was done with it. I like 
>> it, but I don't love it(other than the orange color). I've ridden it with a 
>> variety of 28-38mm wide tires. It handles fine,  and the fit is 
>> comfortable, it's just not a lively ride. I think it's overbuilt. If you 
>> are looking for a burly roadish bike, it may work for you, but if you are 
>> looking for a zippy road bike with fender and tire clearance, this isn't 
>> it. 
>> I was hoping for a budget Roadeo. I would like to try a Roadeo, but now I 
>> fear it is overbuilt as well. My wacked-out conspiracy theory is that all 
>> Rivs are overbuilt now because they can't afford to have any warranty 
>> claims.
>> I have been meaning to sell the Roadini for months now, because I have 
>> other bikes I like(love) better, but I have been dragging my feet because 
>> orange! Plus I'm lazy about selling things.
>>
>> Jim in Mpls
>>
>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 8:43:17 PM UTC-6 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>
>>> Regarding the Reynolds tubed bikes, my 1997 Lemond Zurich planed for me 
>>> (Reynolds 853 61cm frame, me usually around 180 elbows). Max tire size is 
>>> 700x30. And it was a real hoot riding as a 650b conversion. The 650b 
>>> conversion seemed to amplify the plani-ness of the frame. Its too bad those 
>>> bikes don't fit 35 mm tires, in 622 size.  All City bikes are 853 too, but 
>>> not all of them. I believe they accept tires wider than 30 mm.  Perhaps an 
>>> All City may work for you. I have not had the opportunity to ride an All 
>>> City bike.
>>>
>>> Mike SLO CA 
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 6:28:39 PM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 A couple of summers ago, I sold my Cross Check to buy a Roadini. I 
 liked the high stack of the Roadini (61cm), but the CC had better brakes, 
 more clearance, more flexibility, and rode better.

 The Roadini felt like an old school touring bike to me.

 Eric

 On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:44 PM Ezra  wrote:

> Greetings RBW Owners. My first post to the forum. 
>
> Have you been a Roadini owner? Did the bike please you? I've heard 
> tell that Roadini's feel sluggish and heavy for road bikes. I've never 
> owned a Riv but I'm interested in trying them out. I'd be setting up the 
> bike with Waive bars. 
>
> I'd also be interested to know what size you are. I've also heard that 
> Rivs tend to feel better on the larger side. No idea if it's true. 
>
> Thanks for indulging my questions. I always find buying bikes sight 
> unseen difficult. 
>
> Ezra
> Michigan 
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Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Eric Daume]

It is a great orange :)

On Friday, January 28, 2022, Jingy  wrote:

> I bought the Roadini from Eric Daume after he was done with it. I like it,
> but I don't love it(other than the orange color). I've ridden it with a
> variety of 28-38mm wide tires. It handles fine,  and the fit is
> comfortable, it's just not a lively ride. I think it's overbuilt. If you
> are looking for a burly roadish bike, it may work for you, but if you are
> looking for a zippy road bike with fender and tire clearance, this isn't
> it.
> I was hoping for a budget Roadeo. I would like to try a Roadeo, but now I
> fear it is overbuilt as well. My wacked-out conspiracy theory is that all
> Rivs are overbuilt now because they can't afford to have any warranty
> claims.
> I have been meaning to sell the Roadini for months now, because I have
> other bikes I like(love) better, but I have been dragging my feet because
> orange! Plus I'm lazy about selling things.
>
> Jim in Mpls
>
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 8:43:17 PM UTC-6 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> Regarding the Reynolds tubed bikes, my 1997 Lemond Zurich planed for me
>> (Reynolds 853 61cm frame, me usually around 180 elbows). Max tire size is
>> 700x30. And it was a real hoot riding as a 650b conversion. The 650b
>> conversion seemed to amplify the plani-ness of the frame. Its too bad those
>> bikes don't fit 35 mm tires, in 622 size.  All City bikes are 853 too, but
>> not all of them. I believe they accept tires wider than 30 mm.  Perhaps an
>> All City may work for you. I have not had the opportunity to ride an All
>> City bike.
>>
>> Mike SLO CA
>>
>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 6:28:39 PM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> A couple of summers ago, I sold my Cross Check to buy a Roadini. I liked
>>> the high stack of the Roadini (61cm), but the CC had better brakes, more
>>> clearance, more flexibility, and rode better.
>>>
>>> The Roadini felt like an old school touring bike to me.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:44 PM Ezra  wrote:
>>>
 Greetings RBW Owners. My first post to the forum.

 Have you been a Roadini owner? Did the bike please you? I've heard tell
 that Roadini's feel sluggish and heavy for road bikes. I've never owned a
 Riv but I'm interested in trying them out. I'd be setting up the bike with
 Waive bars.

 I'd also be interested to know what size you are. I've also heard that
 Rivs tend to feel better on the larger side. No idea if it's true.

 Thanks for indulging my questions. I always find buying bikes sight
 unseen difficult.

 Ezra
 Michigan

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Re: [RBW] Roadini heavy?

[Jingy]

I bought the Roadini from Eric Daume after he was done with it. I like it, 
but I don't love it(other than the orange color). I've ridden it with a 
variety of 28-38mm wide tires. It handles fine,  and the fit is 
comfortable, it's just not a lively ride. I think it's overbuilt. If you 
are looking for a burly roadish bike, it may work for you, but if you are 
looking for a zippy road bike with fender and tire clearance, this isn't 
it. 
I was hoping for a budget Roadeo. I would like to try a Roadeo, but now I 
fear it is overbuilt as well. My wacked-out conspiracy theory is that all 
Rivs are overbuilt now because they can't afford to have any warranty 
claims.
I have been meaning to sell the Roadini for months now, because I have 
other bikes I like(love) better, but I have been dragging my feet because 
orange! Plus I'm lazy about selling things.

Jim in Mpls

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 8:43:17 PM UTC-6 Mike Godwin wrote:

> Regarding the Reynolds tubed bikes, my 1997 Lemond Zurich planed for me 
> (Reynolds 853 61cm frame, me usually around 180 elbows). Max tire size is 
> 700x30. And it was a real hoot riding as a 650b conversion. The 650b 
> conversion seemed to amplify the plani-ness of the frame. Its too bad those 
> bikes don't fit 35 mm tires, in 622 size.  All City bikes are 853 too, but 
> not all of them. I believe they accept tires wider than 30 mm.  Perhaps an 
> All City may work for you. I have not had the opportunity to ride an All 
> City bike.
>
> Mike SLO CA 
>
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 6:28:39 PM UTC-8 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> A couple of summers ago, I sold my Cross Check to buy a Roadini. I liked 
>> the high stack of the Roadini (61cm), but the CC had better brakes, more 
>> clearance, more flexibility, and rode better.
>>
>> The Roadini felt like an old school touring bike to me.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 2:44 PM Ezra  wrote:
>>
>>> Greetings RBW Owners. My first post to the forum. 
>>>
>>> Have you been a Roadini owner? Did the bike please you? I've heard tell 
>>> that Roadini's feel sluggish and heavy for road bikes. I've never owned a 
>>> Riv but I'm interested in trying them out. I'd be setting up the bike with 
>>> Waive bars. 
>>>
>>> I'd also be interested to know what size you are. I've also heard that 
>>> Rivs tend to feel better on the larger side. No idea if it's true. 
>>>
>>> Thanks for indulging my questions. I always find buying bikes sight 
>>> unseen difficult. 
>>>
>>> Ezra
>>> Michigan 
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[RBW] Re: FS: a few assorted parts - Nitto, Crust, RH...

[Patch T]

Did a bad job editing today - that Crust stem is 1 1/8 with a 31.8 clamp, 
non-faceplate singlebolt.

On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 9:54:41 AM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:

> Shoot - forgot some items were alreaday spoken for. Sorry!
>
>1. *Nitto x Crust Shaka handlebar*: 540mm, 26.0 clamp, silver, great 
>condition - $100
>2. *Crust 90 deg high stack fillet-brazed clear coat stem*, 
>discontinued model, 80mm reach, 75mm stack - $100
>3. *Roadrunner Bags Jumbo Jammer*, orange - some grease stains but 
>fabric is in great shape, all straps there, never cut - $150
>4. *Avocet Racing 1 saddle*, excellent condition, 9.5/10 - $70
>5. *Sugino VX double crankset,* 130 bcd, 170mm, with or w/o rings, 
>great condition - $40
>6. *Sugino GP Triple crankset* 110/74, 175mm, with or w/o rings, 
>really nice - $60?
>7. *Nitto Technomic long/tall stem* 90mm, 25.4 clamp, scuffed up but 
>hardware is nice - $40
>8. *Nitto Technomic long/tall stem* 110mm, 25.4 clamp, scuffed up but 
>hardware is nice - $30
>9. *Nitto MCR65 black threadless stem*, 100mm length, 35deg, 1 1/8" 
>clamp, 25.4, peeling sticker, one small scratch in the paint, good 
> hardware 
>- $60
>10. *Velo Orange Grand Cru setback seatpost*, very scratched - $25
>11. *Thomson Elite setback seatpost*, silver 330mm uncut, 27.2 
>scratches - $50
>12. *Rene Herse Hurricane Ridge EL* 700 x 42mm blackwall knobbies, 
>ridden ~200 mi with tubes - $140 for both
>
>
> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 9:52:15 AM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:
>
>> Some items for sale from Brooklyn, NY (11211).
>> Prices do not include shipping.
>> Please feel free to make offers.
>> Contact off-list.
>> Ask for photos.
>> Thank you for looking!
>>
>>
>>1. *Nitto x Crust Shaka handlebar*: 540mm, 26.0 clamp, silver, great 
>>condition - $100
>>2. *Crust 90 deg high stack fillet-brazed clear coat stem*, 
>>discontinued model, 80mm reach, 75mm stack - $100
>>3. *Roadrunner Bags Jumbo Jammer*, orange - some grease stains but 
>>fabric is in great shape, all straps there, never cut - $150
>>4. *Avocet Racing 1 saddle*, excellent condition, 9.5/10 - $70
>>5. *Sugino VX double crankset,* 130 bcd, 170mm, with or w/o rings, 
>>great condition - $40
>>6. *Sugino GP Triple crankset* 110/74, 175mm, with or w/o rings, 
>>really nice - $60?
>>7. *Nitto Technomic long/tall stem* 90mm, 25.4 clamp, scuffed up but 
>>hardware is nice - $40
>>8. *Nitto Technomic long/tall stem* 110mm, 25.4 clamp, scuffed up but 
>>hardware is nice - $30
>>9. *Nitto MCR65 black threadless stem*, 100mm length, 35deg, 1 1/8" 
>>clamp, 25.4, peeling sticker, one small scratch in the paint, good 
>> hardware 
>>- $60
>>10. *Velo Orange Grand Cru setback seatpost*, very scratched - $25
>>11. *Thomson Elite setback seatpost*, silver 330mm uncut, 27.2 
>>scratches - $50
>>12. *Rene Herse Hurricane Ridge EL* 700 x 42mm blackwall knobbies, 
>>ridden ~200 mi with tubes - $140 for both
>>
>> Open to partial/complete trades; looking for:
>>
>>- Fabio's Chest, small
>>- Brooks titanium saddle
>>- Paul Minimotos
>>- silver 27.0 seatpost
>>- 1" threaded caliper brake fork with ~200mm steertube and clearance 
>>for 700 x 33mm tires.
>>
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[RBW] Re: FS: a few assorted parts - Nitto, Crust, RH...

[Patch T]

Shoot - forgot some items were alreaday spoken for. Sorry!

   1. *Nitto x Crust Shaka handlebar*: 540mm, 26.0 clamp, silver, great 
   condition - $100
   2. *Crust 90 deg high stack fillet-brazed clear coat stem*, discontinued 
   model, 80mm reach, 75mm stack - $100
   3. *Roadrunner Bags Jumbo Jammer*, orange - some grease stains but 
   fabric is in great shape, all straps there, never cut - $150
   4. *Avocet Racing 1 saddle*, excellent condition, 9.5/10 - $70
   5. *Sugino VX double crankset,* 130 bcd, 170mm, with or w/o rings, great 
   condition - $40
   6. *Sugino GP Triple crankset* 110/74, 175mm, with or w/o rings, really 
   nice - $60?
   7. *Nitto Technomic long/tall stem* 90mm, 25.4 clamp, scuffed up but 
   hardware is nice - $40
   8. *Nitto Technomic long/tall stem* 110mm, 25.4 clamp, scuffed up but 
   hardware is nice - $30
   9. *Nitto MCR65 black threadless stem*, 100mm length, 35deg, 1 1/8" 
   clamp, 25.4, peeling sticker, one small scratch in the paint, good hardware 
   - $60
   10. *Velo Orange Grand Cru setback seatpost*, very scratched - $25
   11. *Thomson Elite setback seatpost*, silver 330mm uncut, 27.2 scratches 
   - $50
   12. *Rene Herse Hurricane Ridge EL* 700 x 42mm blackwall knobbies, 
   ridden ~200 mi with tubes - $140 for both


On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 9:52:15 AM UTC-5 Patch T wrote:

> Some items for sale from Brooklyn, NY (11211).
> Prices do not include shipping.
> Please feel free to make offers.
> Contact off-list.
> Ask for photos.
> Thank you for looking!
>
>
>1. *Nitto x Crust Shaka handlebar*: 540mm, 26.0 clamp, silver, great 
>condition - $100
>2. *Crust 90 deg high stack fillet-brazed clear coat stem*, 
>discontinued model, 80mm reach, 75mm stack - $100
>3. *Roadrunner Bags Jumbo Jammer*, orange - some grease stains but 
>fabric is in great shape, all straps there, never cut - $150
>4. *Avocet Racing 1 saddle*, excellent condition, 9.5/10 - $70
>5. *Sugino VX double crankset,* 130 bcd, 170mm, with or w/o rings, 
>great condition - $40
>6. *Sugino GP Triple crankset* 110/74, 175mm, with or w/o rings, 
>really nice - $60?
>7. *Nitto Technomic long/tall stem* 90mm, 25.4 clamp, scuffed up but 
>hardware is nice - $40
>8. *Nitto Technomic long/tall stem* 110mm, 25.4 clamp, scuffed up but 
>hardware is nice - $30
>9. *Nitto MCR65 black threadless stem*, 100mm length, 35deg, 1 1/8" 
>clamp, 25.4, peeling sticker, one small scratch in the paint, good 
> hardware 
>- $60
>10. *Velo Orange Grand Cru setback seatpost*, very scratched - $25
>11. *Thomson Elite setback seatpost*, silver 330mm uncut, 27.2 
>scratches - $50
>12. *Rene Herse Hurricane Ridge EL* 700 x 42mm blackwall knobbies, 
>ridden ~200 mi with tubes - $140 for both
>
> Open to partial/complete trades; looking for:
>
>- Fabio's Chest, small
>- Brooks titanium saddle
>- Paul Minimotos
>- silver 27.0 seatpost
>- 1" threaded caliper brake fork with ~200mm steertube and clearance 
>for 700 x 33mm tires.
>
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[RBW] FS: a few assorted parts - Nitto, Crust, RH...

[Patch T]

Some items for sale from Brooklyn, NY (11211).
Prices do not include shipping.
Please feel free to make offers.
Contact off-list.
Ask for photos.
Thank you for looking!


   1. *Nitto x Crust Shaka handlebar*: 540mm, 26.0 clamp, silver, great 
   condition - $100
   2. *Crust 90 deg high stack fillet-brazed clear coat stem*, discontinued 
   model, 80mm reach, 75mm stack - $100
   3. *Roadrunner Bags Jumbo Jammer*, orange - some grease stains but 
   fabric is in great shape, all straps there, never cut - $150
   4. *Avocet Racing 1 saddle*, excellent condition, 9.5/10 - $70
   5. *Sugino VX double crankset,* 130 bcd, 170mm, with or w/o rings, great 
   condition - $40
   6. *Sugino GP Triple crankset* 110/74, 175mm, with or w/o rings, really 
   nice - $60?
   7. *Nitto Technomic long/tall stem* 90mm, 25.4 clamp, scuffed up but 
   hardware is nice - $40
   8. *Nitto Technomic long/tall stem* 110mm, 25.4 clamp, scuffed up but 
   hardware is nice - $30
   9. *Nitto MCR65 black threadless stem*, 100mm length, 35deg, 1 1/8" 
   clamp, 25.4, peeling sticker, one small scratch in the paint, good hardware 
   - $60
   10. *Velo Orange Grand Cru setback seatpost*, very scratched - $25
   11. *Thomson Elite setback seatpost*, silver 330mm uncut, 27.2 scratches 
   - $50
   12. *Rene Herse Hurricane Ridge EL* 700 x 42mm blackwall knobbies, 
   ridden ~200 mi with tubes - $140 for both

Open to partial/complete trades; looking for:

   - Fabio's Chest, small
   - Brooks titanium saddle
   - Paul Minimotos
   - silver 27.0 seatpost
   - 1" threaded caliper brake fork with ~200mm steertube and clearance for 
   700 x 33mm tires.

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Re: [RBW] Shoes for winter riding

[Fullylugged]

It's not just the shoes.  My suggestion is included with my get up for 
20-30 deg rides.

I rode in 29F yesterday. Merino Tee under a merino heavy weight base layer 
with a throat collar under a Columbia breathable jacket shell.  Merino 
skins (sold by RBW) long johns under Eddie Bauer stretch activity pants 
(great wind blocker). Bombas wool socks inside Sealskins (breathable) 
inside leather Addidas Sambas (platform pedals only for me) bought 1 size 
too large to accommodate the thickness. Cheap JC Pennny wool gloves. merino 
ski cap and ear band on my head.  Works great.  The key for feet is 
breathable and air space.  If you sweat and your socks get wet, your feet 
will chill. Zippers let you vent excess heat from a climb, etc if needed.

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 10:34:37 PM UTC-6 Robert Tilley wrote:

> We do get cold in the mornings here. Sometimes into the 20’s. On those 
> days I typically ride in sandals. On my feet I put on thick wool socks and 
> then Sealskinz socks over those. The Sealskinz are waterproof so they work 
> for rain as well. 
>
> My feet do sweat with this setup but they are warm. The wool socks deal 
> with the sweat by wicking it away from my skin.
>
> Robert Tilley
> San Diego, CA 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 27, 2022, at 12:07 AM, Kushan  wrote:
>
> Hi all -
>
>
> Daily temperatures have been dropping to lower 40s F here in Seattle. I am 
> finding that my usual California winter riding apparel isn't working out 
> well in these conditions. I wanted to get some suggestion on a couple of 
> problem areas:
>
> - How do you keep your feet warm? I have been using thick merino wool 
> socks and mountain biking shoes 
> .
>  
> After about an hour or so in 40-degree, no sun weather, my feet are 
> starting to get cold (no rain involved). After about two hours, I am 
> starting to feel numbness in my toes. I would like to go for longer (5-6 
> hours) ride.
>
> - Based on some older threads here, I am using full-sleeve merino shirt 
> 
>  
> with a breathable jacket 
> .
>  
> While this keeps my upper body warm, I have two problems - the jersey is 
> soaking wet with sweat after two hours. This is on a mostly flat roads 
> where I would generally be dry in warmer weather. The other problem is that 
> after the ride, the skin on my upper body is red. It feels somewhat similar 
> to how the uncovered areas of skin (such as face) turn red after being out 
> in cold for long. I don't have the problem with skin redness when I wear 
> the same jersey (but no jacket) in a bit warmer weather (50s or 60s). So 
> it's hard to determine whether my upper body is too hot or too cold. 
>
> I know this is highly personal and specific but I would really appreciate 
> any advice on what I can do or try. Don't want to stop/cut back on riding 
> during winters. 
>
> Best
> Kushan
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[RBW] Re: Riv SimpleOne Color/Cream Headtube change Question

[Doug H.]

Grant gave some insight on color selection for the new Roaduno in a blahg 
linked 
here 
https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/grant-petersens-blog/no-22-december?_pos=3&_sid=4b5f164df&_ss=r
 
. Here is a snippet of the color choosing thought process: 

*The thing is, sometimes the color or combo that appeal the most (to me and 
maybe to other people, not saying you, but maybe) is the combo that seems 
so close to perfect that the looker looks at it and thinks dang, so close, 
why didn't we/they just change this little tiny thing? That way, you're 
more involved in it. I don't know if there's a name for this phenomenon. 
Sometimes, actually ALL the time, I think that if nobody doesn't like 
something, there's something wrong with it. We like to like things that 
aren't exactly the way we'da done them. But...we still try hard to get them 
perfect, knowing that our perfect might not be yours.*


The point is that I don't know if there is ever an "original intent" for 
colors on Rivendells. It is a process of choosing that Grant let's us in on 
as most bike makers don't in my experience. He shares his thoughts and 
iterations and then we all see the final products! It's fun.
Doug
On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 1:05:33 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> I remember this process for the Clem, which went the opposite direction. 
> Originally it was supposed to come in a flat black you could bang around on 
> commutes, then touch up with a spray can. I believe the decals were going 
> to be stick-on and come in a baggy so you could leave them off. Somewhere 
> along the line Grant decided Clems were going to be pretty. 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 9:50:39 PM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm almost certain there were more produced in the burgundy color than 
>> just a prototype or two.  I think there was a choice between that color and 
>> the green, but perhaps not in equal numbers.  You could probably spend some 
>> time on the wayback machine (internet archive) and find out for sure.  
>>
>> As to the lack of creme headtube, it was probably an aspiration that 
>> didn't pencil out once the final costs were known.  The thing about 
>> Rivendell is that they are very open about sharing details as projects and 
>> ideas develop.  It is fun watching the process and is nice in that you get 
>> to plan and anticipate,  but can lead to disapointment if you get your 
>> heart set on something and become emotionally invested. Details always 
>> change.
>>
>> I'd say paint it as you'd like it.  If it's a quality, professional paint 
>> job and in a subdued, tasteful color that works with the decal, it's not 
>> like the bike is devalued.  Same with adding the creme headtube and wings 
>> and window fill, if that's what you like.
>>
>> When the quickbeam (the japan- made predecessor and template for the 
>> simple one)  was in production, I think there were a couple of one-off 
>> versions made, with fancier lugs and/or fancier paint.  In fact, Riv used 
>> to offer the option of custom paint
>>  on production models, at the buyer's expense and in approved colors.
>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 12:40:52 PM UTC-7 jasonz...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All, I'm new here, **Shout out to any Riv folks in Omaha.   Anyway, I 
>>> have been digging into the Riv Blog history and haven't been able to find 
>>> the content surrounding the rational behind the changes to the simpleone... 
>>> Initially the description states it would be a "fancier paint" with cream 
>>> headtube and also a dark red color, then slime green with cream accents, 
>>> then it was released entirely in dark "slime" green.  Does anyone here have 
>>> any further insight on the changes?  I am working on a restoration project 
>>> of a SimpleOne and have chosen to go with the prototype Burgundy color with 
>>> cream head tube and fork accents.  I am looking forward to it being what 
>>> may have been the OG intent for the color way of this bike.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] TOOL FOOL - Chainring tool

[John Rinker]

While very exotic, indeed, I'm almost incapacitated by flashbacks of my 
early dental experiences. Gaaah!

On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 11:35:12 AM UTC+9 Patrick Moore wrote:

> That's even more exotic than the 
>
> On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 11:09 AM lconley  wrote:
>
>> I really, really love this tool. I had to get it from Europe on one of my 
>> infrequent orders when I order stuff that you generally cannot get in the 
>> US. This is a Cyclus Chainring Tool. The little dies in the top of the 
>> picture fit in the right side of the tool and hold the back of the 
>> chainring nut, instead of one of those cheap little sheet metal tools that 
>> are all that you can get in the US. The one on the left marked "E" seems to 
>> fit everything that I have right now. The tool squeezes the the chainring 
>> bolt and you insert the Allen wrench through the left side of the wrench. 
>> You squeeze the tool in one hand and turn the Allen (I use a Park Y wrench) 
>> with the other. No slip, no fuss, no mangled tools or nuts. Never had it 
>> fail to work since I got it. I sometimes need to remove chainrings that 
>> have been in place several decades.  The only thing that it does not fit is 
>> the secret bolt on the backside of a Sugino or Clipper crank.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> [image: Cyclus1.jpg]
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