[RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Jeff B]

Bill,

That sounds like an awesome bike! I've been thinking that if I could get 
Roadeo tubing on a frame like the Roadini with long chain stays and cant or 
center pull studs that would be a perfect bike for me. All the other 
options sound great too.
I look forward to seeing it built up.

JB, Woodland

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:00:08 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:

>
> Bill
>
> I love the idea of a cantilever studded Rodeo. Will you be looking to 
> increase the tire clearance compared to the standard Rodeo?  
>
> IanA Alberta Canada
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 11:20:20 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> There are a number of threads on which I've mentioned a desire to own a 
>> Nobilette-built Roadeo with cantilever posts.  It came up in a thread about 
>> the Legolas, it came up in a thread about brevets on Rivs.  I've made no 
>> secret that I wanted a Canti-Roa.  There have been Canti-Roms, Canti-Rams, 
>> even Canti-Homers.  I'm on record saying that my ideal Riv road bike would 
>> be a Nobilette build, constructed of Roadeo/Legolas tubing, Roadeo 
>> Geometry, but the clearances of my Canti-Hillborne.  Putting my money where 
>> my mouth is, I'd stated a few times that if any of you would buy my 
>> existing Roadeo, that I'd put all your dollars right back to Riv and order 
>> a Canti-Roa.  
>>
>> Well, it finally happened.  Lister Corwin needed my 59 Roadeo frame and 
>> fork, and today I sent all his dollars plus several of my own back to 
>> Rivendell to order a Canti-Roadeo.  Mark Abele and I are ironing out the 
>> details.  I've got no idea yet how long Nobilette's queue is at the moment, 
>> but I'm very excited.  I have no clue whatsoever on color yet.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Bag for hub area rack

[Drew Henson]

Does anyone know if the current backabike bag fits on the hub area rack? Th 
upper latches look too wide in the pics to me but hard to say. Did they 
sell a smaller version at one point?


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[RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Ian A]

Bill

I love the idea of a cantilever studded Rodeo. Will you be looking to 
increase the tire clearance compared to the standard Rodeo?  

IanA Alberta Canada
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 11:20:20 AM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> There are a number of threads on which I've mentioned a desire to own a 
> Nobilette-built Roadeo with cantilever posts.  It came up in a thread about 
> the Legolas, it came up in a thread about brevets on Rivs.  I've made no 
> secret that I wanted a Canti-Roa.  There have been Canti-Roms, Canti-Rams, 
> even Canti-Homers.  I'm on record saying that my ideal Riv road bike would 
> be a Nobilette build, constructed of Roadeo/Legolas tubing, Roadeo 
> Geometry, but the clearances of my Canti-Hillborne.  Putting my money where 
> my mouth is, I'd stated a few times that if any of you would buy my 
> existing Roadeo, that I'd put all your dollars right back to Riv and order 
> a Canti-Roa.  
>
> Well, it finally happened.  Lister Corwin needed my 59 Roadeo frame and 
> fork, and today I sent all his dollars plus several of my own back to 
> Rivendell to order a Canti-Roadeo.  Mark Abele and I are ironing out the 
> details.  I've got no idea yet how long Nobilette's queue is at the moment, 
> but I'm very excited.  I have no clue whatsoever on color yet.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Matthew Williams]

Joe Appaloosa
54cm
2500
Chicago, IL
https://chicago.craigslist.org/chc/bik/d/chicago-54cm-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7467464495.html

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[RBW] FS: Bags (Acorn, Makeshifter, Ron's, and more)

[Taylor M]

Hi all,

Selling some bags, most new and never used. Please note that prices do not 
include shipping.

- Makeshifter Snackhole Stem Bag, new and never used – $78 + shipping
- Farewell Stem Bag, new and never used – $55 + shipping
- Wizard Works Teeny Houdini Gravel Saddle Bag, new and never used – $50 + 
shipping
- Acorn Medium Saddle Bag, new and never used – $95 + shipping
- Swift Industries Zeitgeist Pack, MUSA, lightly used twice, like new – 
$125 + shipping
- Small Fabio's Chest,  lightly used, excellent condition – $230 + shipping

Venmo or PayPal FF preferred.

Thanks for looking!
Taylor

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[RBW] Re: A Platy on the Raddy

[Eric Marth]

Great pics, write up and discussion. Thanks for the link!

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 7:17:48 PM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great article.  Glad he found the right guy to help him on his journey.  
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 3:31:57 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Excellent story. Bicycles are for everyone!
>> Doug
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:07:34 PM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Very cool build and a great story/message.
>>> Randy
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:13:47 AM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>>
 Had to share this wonderful story and great looking Platy build from 
 the Radavist...


 https://theradavist.com/2022/04/hope-cyclery-builds-andrews-rivendell-platypus/

 Enjoy,
 JohnS

>>>

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[RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Bill Lindsay]

Nikko asked about geometry nuances.  The Legolas has a little steeper STA 
and a little slacker HTA.  The Legolas has a higher BB (less drop).  The 
Roadeo has a longer effective TT.  The fork rake and chainstay length is 
essentially the same.  I downsize a race bike so I run a 57 Legolas and a 
59 Roadeo.  

BL

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 3:00:48 PM UTC-7 Nikko in Oakland wrote:

> I love that you're gonna have a Legolas and a canti-Roadeo. Other than the 
> bb drop, what are the main geometry differences between the two? The ST/HT 
> angle is more forward, correct? And they both will have different fork 
> rake? 
> Also, I think it's a solid choice for the tuxedo paint. That Sam is one of 
> my favorite Rivs to look at. 
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:07:56 PM UTC-7 Matt Beecher wrote:
>
>> Do what you want and don't get caught up with what others think.  I 
>> imagine when I put canti's on an early 70's Motobecane LeChampion, people 
>> thought I was trying to make a cross/touring bike.  I just really liked the 
>> bike and wanted different brakes...and a small trunk sack up front.  
>>
>> Of course, you do need to make the paint purple.  Any other color would 
>> be ludicrous.  :D
>>
>> Reading ahead, I am also curious if this is considered a Roadeo still, or 
>> full custom.  What will the decals say?
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Matt
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:22:54 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> George Schick said it "sounds a lot like a cross bike"
>>>
>>> Um...OK?  What is the purpose of your comment?  Are you recommending 
>>> that I put knobbies on my forthcoming Canti-Roadeo and race cross on it?  
>>> Are you recommending that I cancel my order and buy an off the shelf 
>>> cyclocross bike instead?  Are you opining that a road bike with cantilever 
>>> brakes ceases to be a road bike?  Are you just applying your personal label 
>>> to my forthcoming bike?
>>>
>>> I have responses to all of those.  What are we discussing?
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:52:34 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Bill - the canti-roadeo you envision sounds a lot like a cross bike.


 On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:20:20 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> There are a number of threads on which I've mentioned a desire to own 
> a Nobilette-built Roadeo with cantilever posts.  It came up in a thread 
> about the Legolas, it came up in a thread about brevets on Rivs.  I've 
> made 
> no secret that I wanted a Canti-Roa.  There have been Canti-Roms, 
> Canti-Rams, even Canti-Homers.  I'm on record saying that my ideal Riv 
> road 
> bike would be a Nobilette build, constructed of Roadeo/Legolas tubing, 
> Roadeo Geometry, but the clearances of my Canti-Hillborne.  Putting my 
> money where my mouth is, I'd stated a few times that if any of you would 
> buy my existing Roadeo, that I'd put all your dollars right back to Riv 
> and 
> order a Canti-Roa.  
>
> Well, it finally happened.  Lister Corwin needed my 59 Roadeo frame 
> and fork, and today I sent all his dollars plus several of my own back to 
> Rivendell to order a Canti-Roadeo.  Mark Abele and I are ironing out the 
> details.  I've got no idea yet how long Nobilette's queue is at the 
> moment, 
> but I'm very excited.  I have no clue whatsoever on color yet.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>


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[RBW] Re: A Platy on the Raddy

[J S]

Great article.  Glad he found the right guy to help him on his journey.  

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 3:31:57 PM UTC-4 Doug H. wrote:

> Excellent story. Bicycles are for everyone!
> Doug
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:07:34 PM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Very cool build and a great story/message.
>> Randy
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:13:47 AM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Had to share this wonderful story and great looking Platy build from the 
>>> Radavist...
>>>
>>>
>>> https://theradavist.com/2022/04/hope-cyclery-builds-andrews-rivendell-platypus/
>>>
>>> Enjoy,
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New To Rivendell, Appaloosa Initial Impressions

[larson....@gmail.com]

Thanks Stephen! I love both the mermaid and orange Joes. I am happy to have 
joined the club and look forward to many miles this year!

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 5:36:37 PM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:

> Man, thats a good looking bike. I love the dark green joe's. I got a 
> mermaid last year and have been loving it, its a blast on flowy 
> singletrack. Congrats on the bicycle.
>
> -stephen
>
> On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 1:29:14 PM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> [image: E986D2B1-4A98-4B9A-B7C7-C523BF1A7922.jpeg]Hey everyone! I am two 
>> months in to being a Rivendell owner, a 2TT dark green Appaloosa, and 
>> thought I would give my initial impressions. I live in the hilly Driftless 
>> area of southwestern Wisconsin, ride about 3000+ miles/year and am in my 
>> upper 50s. Only about 250 miles on the Appaloosa because of a cold, wet 
>> early Spring.
>>
>> The build is pretty straight forward, based on information from this 
>> forum and the help from Candice at Analog Cycles. I think I had only seen 
>> two Rivs in the wild, with one being on a car rack. Had a nice road-trip 
>> late last Summer to Ames IA to pick up the frame (thanks Brent!) This is 
>> the first bike I have built myself. I wanted a bike for mixed road day 
>> rides and short tours. Originally I was stuck on a Hunqapillar, but had no 
>> luck finding one. Then the Sam, but couldn’t find one of those either that 
>> would work for me. In retrospect, the Appaloosa is probably the best choice 
>> for me, situated between my Black Mountain Cycles monstercross and my Salsa 
>> Fargo, both of which I love. I expected Joe to ride like a Cadillac, 
>> comfortable and stable, and it does. What has surprised me is that the bike 
>> feels lively, and does not ride at all like a heavy touring bike. The 
>> comfortable position with the Billie bars, upright but with a very nice 
>> position at the front curves, works well for me. I appreciate the 
>> simplicity and the ease of working on the bike. I like the practicality of 
>> buying a very good frame and putting modest level parts. I also have come 
>> to understand some of the Rivendell philosophy of riding.
>>
>> I have ridden the bike on good and bad paved roads, gravel and a couple 
>> of farm field roads. In another month I will get to try the bike on some 
>> single/double track, and have several overnighters and a week tour planned. 
>> The Appaloosa is fun, capable and puts a smile on my face! Thank you to 
>> this forum for all the information I have gleaned in the last two years.
>> Randy
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New To Rivendell, Appaloosa Initial Impressions

[Stephen]

Man, thats a good looking bike. I love the dark green joe's. I got a 
mermaid last year and have been loving it, its a blast on flowy 
singletrack. Congrats on the bicycle.

-stephen

On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 1:29:14 PM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> [image: E986D2B1-4A98-4B9A-B7C7-C523BF1A7922.jpeg]Hey everyone! I am two 
> months in to being a Rivendell owner, a 2TT dark green Appaloosa, and 
> thought I would give my initial impressions. I live in the hilly Driftless 
> area of southwestern Wisconsin, ride about 3000+ miles/year and am in my 
> upper 50s. Only about 250 miles on the Appaloosa because of a cold, wet 
> early Spring.
>
> The build is pretty straight forward, based on information from this forum 
> and the help from Candice at Analog Cycles. I think I had only seen two 
> Rivs in the wild, with one being on a car rack. Had a nice road-trip late 
> last Summer to Ames IA to pick up the frame (thanks Brent!) This is the 
> first bike I have built myself. I wanted a bike for mixed road day rides 
> and short tours. Originally I was stuck on a Hunqapillar, but had no luck 
> finding one. Then the Sam, but couldn’t find one of those either that would 
> work for me. In retrospect, the Appaloosa is probably the best choice for 
> me, situated between my Black Mountain Cycles monstercross and my Salsa 
> Fargo, both of which I love. I expected Joe to ride like a Cadillac, 
> comfortable and stable, and it does. What has surprised me is that the bike 
> feels lively, and does not ride at all like a heavy touring bike. The 
> comfortable position with the Billie bars, upright but with a very nice 
> position at the front curves, works well for me. I appreciate the 
> simplicity and the ease of working on the bike. I like the practicality of 
> buying a very good frame and putting modest level parts. I also have come 
> to understand some of the Rivendell philosophy of riding.
>
> I have ridden the bike on good and bad paved roads, gravel and a couple of 
> farm field roads. In another month I will get to try the bike on some 
> single/double track, and have several overnighters and a week tour planned. 
> The Appaloosa is fun, capable and puts a smile on my face! Thank you to 
> this forum for all the information I have gleaned in the last two years.
> Randy
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Bill Lindsay]

Toshi and Matt asked whether my new frameset will be a Roadeo or a 
Rivendell Custom

Yes, it's a Roadeo.  It is priced like a Roadeo, will have Roadeo graphics, 
and is not a custom.  I went to rivbike.com, put a 59cm Roadeo in my cart 
and paid for it.  Over email with Mark A, I specified a bunch of details.  
They included:

-threadless steerer (threaded and threadless are no-cost options)
-DT shifter bosses (shifter bosses or braze on cable stops are no-cost 
options)
-canti-posts (this is an option, and I don't know if there will be an 
upcharge)
-a Legolas fork crown instead of a Roadeo crown.  Holds the fork blades a 
tiny bit wider for easier canti-post placement.  Will not change the A-C 
fork length
-I will be using cantilever brakes, so I wanted a brazed on rear housing 
stop.  I asked Mark A if I could get a one-arm braze on like is pictured on 
one of his personal custom cross bikes, and he said OK.  I don't know what 
I'll pay for that
-Roadeo Top Tube slotted cable guides are normally down low and off-center 
from 6 o'clock.  Legolas slotted cable guides are at 12 o'clock for two 
cross-racing reasons.  I asked for mine off center up top, biased to the 
non-drive side
-fender attach points (no cost option)

BL in EC  

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:56:09 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote:

> So this is a semi-custom canti-Roadeo and not a full custom?  Threaded or 
> threadless? Can't wait to see it!
>
> Toshi
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:37 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Mike
>>
>> You are right that there are gatekeepers.  In this case, the gatekeepers 
>> are Grant and Mark A.  Grant's main thing is if you buy a Roadeo, and they 
>> put Roadeo on it, it's got to be a Roadeo.  I asked them about the concept 
>> in principal back in 2020, and I was only like 60/40 that they would say 
>> yes, but they said OK at that time.  This week, I gave Mark A my full list 
>> of details, and Mark A cleared all of them, so I paid for it.  Now I'll 
>> wait and ride the other bikes in the stable...  
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:12:39 PM UTC-7 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>
>>> That sounds really neat Bill. I was always under the impression that a 
>>> canti-roa may not fly with gate keepers at Riv. But since it is a custom 
>>> from Riv and you are staying with the Riv design principles then it is go. 
>>> Can't wait to see it.
>>>
>>> Mike SLO CA 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:01:28 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Bill - sounds like the bottom line is that we basically agree with each 
 other, though coming at it from slightly different directions.  Best of 
 luck on your new canti-roa build and be sure to let us all know how things 
 worked out in the end,

 George


 On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:53:33 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> George Schick said "I'm not sure I quite agree with the "skitishness" 
> of a higher BB"
>
> I didn't use the term "skitishness".  I said "nervous" and "agile", 
> which I think is equivalent to what you are calling "lively" and 
> "responsive".  We're talking about the same things.  I notice the 
> differences, and I like the differences, and I want both bikes in my 
> stable.  Neither is better.  On some rides I will pick my cross bike, and 
> on other rides I will pick my road bike.  The difference between the two 
> is 
> why a road bike and a cross bike are different bikes, to me.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:42:30 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Bill - whoa!  Now I can see where you're coming from on this build.  
>> Lots of different things going on here.  And I do understand about the 
>> difference between BB heights on a typical cross bike and something like 
>> the Roadeo (or the 8cm BB drop on my Ram for that matter).  However, I'm 
>> not sure I quite agree with the "skitishness" of a higher BB.  To the 
>> point, I have the 54cm Ram and I also have an updated/rebuilt '71/'72 
>> Fuji 
>> Finest.  When I carefully place the two side by side I see that almost 
>> everything about the two bike frames is nearly equal *except* the BB 
>> height.  The Fuji has more like a 5cm BB drop.  Now, whenever I ride one 
>> of 
>> those two bikes, I always find the Fuji to be much more lively and 
>> responsive than the Ram - not that I think either is better or worse 
>> than 
>> the other.  So... must just be a difference in riding styles or 
>> something.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:19:23 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> George
>>>
>>> OK, I understand your point, but I disagree with it.  The major 
>>> difference I see between a road bike and a cyclocross bike is BB height 
>>> (aka drop).  A cross bike with little drop has a higher BB, is more 
>>> "nervous" aka "agile".  A road bike with 

[RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Nikko in Oakland]

I love that you're gonna have a Legolas and a canti-Roadeo. Other than the 
bb drop, what are the main geometry differences between the two? The ST/HT 
angle is more forward, correct? And they both will have different fork 
rake? 
Also, I think it's a solid choice for the tuxedo paint. That Sam is one of 
my favorite Rivs to look at. 
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:07:56 PM UTC-7 Matt Beecher wrote:

> Do what you want and don't get caught up with what others think.  I 
> imagine when I put canti's on an early 70's Motobecane LeChampion, people 
> thought I was trying to make a cross/touring bike.  I just really liked the 
> bike and wanted different brakes...and a small trunk sack up front.  
>
> Of course, you do need to make the paint purple.  Any other color would be 
> ludicrous.  :D
>
> Reading ahead, I am also curious if this is considered a Roadeo still, or 
> full custom.  What will the decals say?
>
> Best regards,
> Matt
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:22:54 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> George Schick said it "sounds a lot like a cross bike"
>>
>> Um...OK?  What is the purpose of your comment?  Are you recommending that 
>> I put knobbies on my forthcoming Canti-Roadeo and race cross on it?  Are 
>> you recommending that I cancel my order and buy an off the shelf cyclocross 
>> bike instead?  Are you opining that a road bike with cantilever brakes 
>> ceases to be a road bike?  Are you just applying your personal label to my 
>> forthcoming bike?
>>
>> I have responses to all of those.  What are we discussing?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:52:34 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Bill - the canti-roadeo you envision sounds a lot like a cross bike.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:20:20 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 There are a number of threads on which I've mentioned a desire to own a 
 Nobilette-built Roadeo with cantilever posts.  It came up in a thread 
 about 
 the Legolas, it came up in a thread about brevets on Rivs.  I've made no 
 secret that I wanted a Canti-Roa.  There have been Canti-Roms, Canti-Rams, 
 even Canti-Homers.  I'm on record saying that my ideal Riv road bike would 
 be a Nobilette build, constructed of Roadeo/Legolas tubing, Roadeo 
 Geometry, but the clearances of my Canti-Hillborne.  Putting my money 
 where 
 my mouth is, I'd stated a few times that if any of you would buy my 
 existing Roadeo, that I'd put all your dollars right back to Riv and order 
 a Canti-Roa.  

 Well, it finally happened.  Lister Corwin needed my 59 Roadeo frame and 
 fork, and today I sent all his dollars plus several of my own back to 
 Rivendell to order a Canti-Roadeo.  Mark Abele and I are ironing out the 
 details.  I've got no idea yet how long Nobilette's queue is at the 
 moment, 
 but I'm very excited.  I have no clue whatsoever on color yet.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: BXB Bags

[Stephen]

Both bags sold.

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:34:42 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> Sale pending, I've gotten a lot of interest on these. I'll try to get back 
> to everyone who emailed me, thanks!
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:50:18 PM UTC-4 J wrote:
>
>> I could be interested in the better half. I'll send an email over.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 6:39:36 AM UTC-7 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:39:11 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>
 On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:38:12 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

>
> -Medium Goldback Charcoal Waxed Canvas, includes 6 foam spacers for 
> fuzziing out from your handle bar. -- $100 + Shipping
>
> -Large size of the Better half frame bag in the coyote xpac. -- $50 + 
> shipping
>
> Bought these both some time ago, and found myself preferring my 
> Sackville bags. They have both been used and are a little dirty, but are 
> otherwise in very solid condition. Hoping someone else could make some 
> better use of them. Paypal FF preferred, and located in Gastonia NC
>
> Thanks for lookin, 
> Stephen
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Matt Beecher]

Do what you want and don't get caught up with what others think.  I imagine 
when I put canti's on an early 70's Motobecane LeChampion, people thought I 
was trying to make a cross/touring bike.  I just really liked the bike and 
wanted different brakes...and a small trunk sack up front.  

Of course, you do need to make the paint purple.  Any other color would be 
ludicrous.  :D

Reading ahead, I am also curious if this is considered a Roadeo still, or 
full custom.  What will the decals say?

Best regards,
Matt

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:22:54 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> George Schick said it "sounds a lot like a cross bike"
>
> Um...OK?  What is the purpose of your comment?  Are you recommending that 
> I put knobbies on my forthcoming Canti-Roadeo and race cross on it?  Are 
> you recommending that I cancel my order and buy an off the shelf cyclocross 
> bike instead?  Are you opining that a road bike with cantilever brakes 
> ceases to be a road bike?  Are you just applying your personal label to my 
> forthcoming bike?
>
> I have responses to all of those.  What are we discussing?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:52:34 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Bill - the canti-roadeo you envision sounds a lot like a cross bike.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:20:20 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> There are a number of threads on which I've mentioned a desire to own a 
>>> Nobilette-built Roadeo with cantilever posts.  It came up in a thread about 
>>> the Legolas, it came up in a thread about brevets on Rivs.  I've made no 
>>> secret that I wanted a Canti-Roa.  There have been Canti-Roms, Canti-Rams, 
>>> even Canti-Homers.  I'm on record saying that my ideal Riv road bike would 
>>> be a Nobilette build, constructed of Roadeo/Legolas tubing, Roadeo 
>>> Geometry, but the clearances of my Canti-Hillborne.  Putting my money where 
>>> my mouth is, I'd stated a few times that if any of you would buy my 
>>> existing Roadeo, that I'd put all your dollars right back to Riv and order 
>>> a Canti-Roa.  
>>>
>>> Well, it finally happened.  Lister Corwin needed my 59 Roadeo frame and 
>>> fork, and today I sent all his dollars plus several of my own back to 
>>> Rivendell to order a Canti-Roadeo.  Mark Abele and I are ironing out the 
>>> details.  I've got no idea yet how long Nobilette's queue is at the moment, 
>>> but I'm very excited.  I have no clue whatsoever on color yet.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Toshi Takeuchi]

So this is a semi-custom canti-Roadeo and not a full custom?  Threaded or
threadless? Can't wait to see it!

Toshi


On Tue, Apr 5, 2022 at 1:37 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Mike
>
> You are right that there are gatekeepers.  In this case, the gatekeepers
> are Grant and Mark A.  Grant's main thing is if you buy a Roadeo, and they
> put Roadeo on it, it's got to be a Roadeo.  I asked them about the concept
> in principal back in 2020, and I was only like 60/40 that they would say
> yes, but they said OK at that time.  This week, I gave Mark A my full list
> of details, and Mark A cleared all of them, so I paid for it.  Now I'll
> wait and ride the other bikes in the stable...
>
> BL in EC
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:12:39 PM UTC-7 Mike Godwin wrote:
>
>> That sounds really neat Bill. I was always under the impression that a
>> canti-roa may not fly with gate keepers at Riv. But since it is a custom
>> from Riv and you are staying with the Riv design principles then it is go.
>> Can't wait to see it.
>>
>> Mike SLO CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:01:28 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Bill - sounds like the bottom line is that we basically agree with each
>>> other, though coming at it from slightly different directions.  Best of
>>> luck on your new canti-roa build and be sure to let us all know how things
>>> worked out in the end,
>>>
>>> George
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:53:33 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 George Schick said "I'm not sure I quite agree with the "skitishness"
 of a higher BB"

 I didn't use the term "skitishness".  I said "nervous" and "agile",
 which I think is equivalent to what you are calling "lively" and
 "responsive".  We're talking about the same things.  I notice the
 differences, and I like the differences, and I want both bikes in my
 stable.  Neither is better.  On some rides I will pick my cross bike, and
 on other rides I will pick my road bike.  The difference between the two is
 why a road bike and a cross bike are different bikes, to me.

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA
 On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:42:30 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:

> Bill - whoa!  Now I can see where you're coming from on this build.
> Lots of different things going on here.  And I do understand about the
> difference between BB heights on a typical cross bike and something like
> the Roadeo (or the 8cm BB drop on my Ram for that matter).  However, I'm
> not sure I quite agree with the "skitishness" of a higher BB.  To the
> point, I have the 54cm Ram and I also have an updated/rebuilt '71/'72 Fuji
> Finest.  When I carefully place the two side by side I see that almost
> everything about the two bike frames is nearly equal *except* the BB
> height.  The Fuji has more like a 5cm BB drop.  Now, whenever I ride one 
> of
> those two bikes, I always find the Fuji to be much more lively and
> responsive than the Ram - not that I think either is better or worse than
> the other.  So... must just be a difference in riding styles or something.
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:19:23 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> George
>>
>> OK, I understand your point, but I disagree with it.  The major
>> difference I see between a road bike and a cyclocross bike is BB height
>> (aka drop).  A cross bike with little drop has a higher BB, is more
>> "nervous" aka "agile".  A road bike with more drop is more "planted" and
>> "stable".  I own a cyclocross race bike, a Rivendell Legolas, and had my
>> normal Roadeo.  Both bikes are great road bikes, and I rode both of them 
>> on
>> brevets in 2021.  Since my Roadeo is recently gone, I rode my Legolas on
>> two 50 milers this past weekend.  The major difference is how much more
>> nervous the Legolas feels at speed on the road.  I attribute all of that 
>> to
>> the difference to the BB height, and the Legolas has a lower BB height 
>> than
>> a lot of cyclocross bikes.
>>
>> In addition to the geo difference, I approach my fit differently
>> between a cyclocross race bike and a road bike.  I run a 57cm Legolas 
>> and a
>> 59cm Roadeo.
>>
>> In addition to the above, Grant did a special 'knee' in BB height on
>> the 59 (his size).  It's a few mm even lower.
>>
>> In addition to all the above, my build approach to a "road bike" and
>> a "cyclocross race bike" is pretty different.
>>
>> I concede that any normal person can build an adequate "cantilever
>> road bike" out of a cyclocross racing frameset.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 11:34:56 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Bill - none of the above really.  I just see the geometry of the
>>> Roadeo as those of a typical "road" bike and, since those are the
>>> 

[RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Bill Lindsay]

Mike

You are right that there are gatekeepers.  In this case, the gatekeepers 
are Grant and Mark A.  Grant's main thing is if you buy a Roadeo, and they 
put Roadeo on it, it's got to be a Roadeo.  I asked them about the concept 
in principal back in 2020, and I was only like 60/40 that they would say 
yes, but they said OK at that time.  This week, I gave Mark A my full list 
of details, and Mark A cleared all of them, so I paid for it.  Now I'll 
wait and ride the other bikes in the stable...  

BL in EC


On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:12:39 PM UTC-7 Mike Godwin wrote:

> That sounds really neat Bill. I was always under the impression that a 
> canti-roa may not fly with gate keepers at Riv. But since it is a custom 
> from Riv and you are staying with the Riv design principles then it is go. 
> Can't wait to see it.
>
> Mike SLO CA 
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:01:28 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Bill - sounds like the bottom line is that we basically agree with each 
>> other, though coming at it from slightly different directions.  Best of 
>> luck on your new canti-roa build and be sure to let us all know how things 
>> worked out in the end,
>>
>> George
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:53:33 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> George Schick said "I'm not sure I quite agree with the "skitishness" of 
>>> a higher BB"
>>>
>>> I didn't use the term "skitishness".  I said "nervous" and "agile", 
>>> which I think is equivalent to what you are calling "lively" and 
>>> "responsive".  We're talking about the same things.  I notice the 
>>> differences, and I like the differences, and I want both bikes in my 
>>> stable.  Neither is better.  On some rides I will pick my cross bike, and 
>>> on other rides I will pick my road bike.  The difference between the two is 
>>> why a road bike and a cross bike are different bikes, to me.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:42:30 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Bill - whoa!  Now I can see where you're coming from on this build.  
 Lots of different things going on here.  And I do understand about the 
 difference between BB heights on a typical cross bike and something like 
 the Roadeo (or the 8cm BB drop on my Ram for that matter).  However, I'm 
 not sure I quite agree with the "skitishness" of a higher BB.  To the 
 point, I have the 54cm Ram and I also have an updated/rebuilt '71/'72 Fuji 
 Finest.  When I carefully place the two side by side I see that almost 
 everything about the two bike frames is nearly equal *except* the BB 
 height.  The Fuji has more like a 5cm BB drop.  Now, whenever I ride one 
 of 
 those two bikes, I always find the Fuji to be much more lively and 
 responsive than the Ram - not that I think either is better or worse than 
 the other.  So... must just be a difference in riding styles or something.

 On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:19:23 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> George
>
> OK, I understand your point, but I disagree with it.  The major 
> difference I see between a road bike and a cyclocross bike is BB height 
> (aka drop).  A cross bike with little drop has a higher BB, is more 
> "nervous" aka "agile".  A road bike with more drop is more "planted" and 
> "stable".  I own a cyclocross race bike, a Rivendell Legolas, and had my 
> normal Roadeo.  Both bikes are great road bikes, and I rode both of them 
> on 
> brevets in 2021.  Since my Roadeo is recently gone, I rode my Legolas on 
> two 50 milers this past weekend.  The major difference is how much more 
> nervous the Legolas feels at speed on the road.  I attribute all of that 
> to 
> the difference to the BB height, and the Legolas has a lower BB height 
> than 
> a lot of cyclocross bikes.  
>
> In addition to the geo difference, I approach my fit differently 
> between a cyclocross race bike and a road bike.  I run a 57cm Legolas and 
> a 
> 59cm Roadeo.  
>
> In addition to the above, Grant did a special 'knee' in BB height on 
> the 59 (his size).  It's a few mm even lower.  
>
> In addition to all the above, my build approach to a "road bike" and a 
> "cyclocross race bike" is pretty different.  
>
> I concede that any normal person can build an adequate "cantilever 
> road bike" out of a cyclocross racing frameset.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 11:34:56 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Bill - none of the above really.  I just see the geometry of the 
>> Roadeo as those of a typical "road" bike and, since those are the 
>> dimensions that cross bikes also have, adding canti's to it makes it 
>> more 
>> or less seem like a cross bike.  No big deal about it at all, just an 
>> observation.  Many years ago I made an inquiry to 

[RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Mike Godwin]

That sounds really neat Bill. I was always under the impression that a 
canti-roa may not fly with gate keepers at Riv. But since it is a custom 
from Riv and you are staying with the Riv design principles then it is go. 
Can't wait to see it.

Mike SLO CA 

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:01:28 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:

> Bill - sounds like the bottom line is that we basically agree with each 
> other, though coming at it from slightly different directions.  Best of 
> luck on your new canti-roa build and be sure to let us all know how things 
> worked out in the end,
>
> George
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:53:33 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> George Schick said "I'm not sure I quite agree with the "skitishness" of 
>> a higher BB"
>>
>> I didn't use the term "skitishness".  I said "nervous" and "agile", which 
>> I think is equivalent to what you are calling "lively" and "responsive".  
>> We're talking about the same things.  I notice the differences, and I like 
>> the differences, and I want both bikes in my stable.  Neither is better.  
>> On some rides I will pick my cross bike, and on other rides I will pick my 
>> road bike.  The difference between the two is why a road bike and a cross 
>> bike are different bikes, to me.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:42:30 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Bill - whoa!  Now I can see where you're coming from on this build.  
>>> Lots of different things going on here.  And I do understand about the 
>>> difference between BB heights on a typical cross bike and something like 
>>> the Roadeo (or the 8cm BB drop on my Ram for that matter).  However, I'm 
>>> not sure I quite agree with the "skitishness" of a higher BB.  To the 
>>> point, I have the 54cm Ram and I also have an updated/rebuilt '71/'72 Fuji 
>>> Finest.  When I carefully place the two side by side I see that almost 
>>> everything about the two bike frames is nearly equal *except* the BB 
>>> height.  The Fuji has more like a 5cm BB drop.  Now, whenever I ride one of 
>>> those two bikes, I always find the Fuji to be much more lively and 
>>> responsive than the Ram - not that I think either is better or worse than 
>>> the other.  So... must just be a difference in riding styles or something.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:19:23 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 George

 OK, I understand your point, but I disagree with it.  The major 
 difference I see between a road bike and a cyclocross bike is BB height 
 (aka drop).  A cross bike with little drop has a higher BB, is more 
 "nervous" aka "agile".  A road bike with more drop is more "planted" and 
 "stable".  I own a cyclocross race bike, a Rivendell Legolas, and had my 
 normal Roadeo.  Both bikes are great road bikes, and I rode both of them 
 on 
 brevets in 2021.  Since my Roadeo is recently gone, I rode my Legolas on 
 two 50 milers this past weekend.  The major difference is how much more 
 nervous the Legolas feels at speed on the road.  I attribute all of that 
 to 
 the difference to the BB height, and the Legolas has a lower BB height 
 than 
 a lot of cyclocross bikes.  

 In addition to the geo difference, I approach my fit differently 
 between a cyclocross race bike and a road bike.  I run a 57cm Legolas and 
 a 
 59cm Roadeo.  

 In addition to the above, Grant did a special 'knee' in BB height on 
 the 59 (his size).  It's a few mm even lower.  

 In addition to all the above, my build approach to a "road bike" and a 
 "cyclocross race bike" is pretty different.  

 I concede that any normal person can build an adequate "cantilever road 
 bike" out of a cyclocross racing frameset.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 11:34:56 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:

> Bill - none of the above really.  I just see the geometry of the 
> Roadeo as those of a typical "road" bike and, since those are the 
> dimensions that cross bikes also have, adding canti's to it makes it more 
> or less seem like a cross bike.  No big deal about it at all, just an 
> observation.  Many years ago I made an inquiry to Waterford about having 
> them build a bike that would basically be a modification of one of their 
> standard road series frames, but with canti's.  I made the mistake by 
> saying that I wanted it built that way so I could easily add and remove 
> fenders between Winter and Summer riding seasons.  Apparently noses in 
> Waterford, WI, flew up at the suggestion because I never go a reply one 
> way 
> or another.  Had such a frame been built, though, it would've been about 
> the same as what you've ordered from Riv.
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:22:54 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> George Schick said it "sounds a lot like a 

[RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[George Schick]

Bill - sounds like the bottom line is that we basically agree with each 
other, though coming at it from slightly different directions.  Best of 
luck on your new canti-roa build and be sure to let us all know how things 
worked out in the end,

George


On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:53:33 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> George Schick said "I'm not sure I quite agree with the "skitishness" of a 
> higher BB"
>
> I didn't use the term "skitishness".  I said "nervous" and "agile", which 
> I think is equivalent to what you are calling "lively" and "responsive".  
> We're talking about the same things.  I notice the differences, and I like 
> the differences, and I want both bikes in my stable.  Neither is better.  
> On some rides I will pick my cross bike, and on other rides I will pick my 
> road bike.  The difference between the two is why a road bike and a cross 
> bike are different bikes, to me.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:42:30 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Bill - whoa!  Now I can see where you're coming from on this build.  Lots 
>> of different things going on here.  And I do understand about the 
>> difference between BB heights on a typical cross bike and something like 
>> the Roadeo (or the 8cm BB drop on my Ram for that matter).  However, I'm 
>> not sure I quite agree with the "skitishness" of a higher BB.  To the 
>> point, I have the 54cm Ram and I also have an updated/rebuilt '71/'72 Fuji 
>> Finest.  When I carefully place the two side by side I see that almost 
>> everything about the two bike frames is nearly equal *except* the BB 
>> height.  The Fuji has more like a 5cm BB drop.  Now, whenever I ride one of 
>> those two bikes, I always find the Fuji to be much more lively and 
>> responsive than the Ram - not that I think either is better or worse than 
>> the other.  So... must just be a difference in riding styles or something.
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:19:23 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> George
>>>
>>> OK, I understand your point, but I disagree with it.  The major 
>>> difference I see between a road bike and a cyclocross bike is BB height 
>>> (aka drop).  A cross bike with little drop has a higher BB, is more 
>>> "nervous" aka "agile".  A road bike with more drop is more "planted" and 
>>> "stable".  I own a cyclocross race bike, a Rivendell Legolas, and had my 
>>> normal Roadeo.  Both bikes are great road bikes, and I rode both of them on 
>>> brevets in 2021.  Since my Roadeo is recently gone, I rode my Legolas on 
>>> two 50 milers this past weekend.  The major difference is how much more 
>>> nervous the Legolas feels at speed on the road.  I attribute all of that to 
>>> the difference to the BB height, and the Legolas has a lower BB height than 
>>> a lot of cyclocross bikes.  
>>>
>>> In addition to the geo difference, I approach my fit differently between 
>>> a cyclocross race bike and a road bike.  I run a 57cm Legolas and a 59cm 
>>> Roadeo.  
>>>
>>> In addition to the above, Grant did a special 'knee' in BB height on the 
>>> 59 (his size).  It's a few mm even lower.  
>>>
>>> In addition to all the above, my build approach to a "road bike" and a 
>>> "cyclocross race bike" is pretty different.  
>>>
>>> I concede that any normal person can build an adequate "cantilever road 
>>> bike" out of a cyclocross racing frameset.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 11:34:56 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Bill - none of the above really.  I just see the geometry of the Roadeo 
 as those of a typical "road" bike and, since those are the dimensions that 
 cross bikes also have, adding canti's to it makes it more or less seem 
 like 
 a cross bike.  No big deal about it at all, just an observation.  Many 
 years ago I made an inquiry to Waterford about having them build a bike 
 that would basically be a modification of one of their standard road 
 series 
 frames, but with canti's.  I made the mistake by saying that I wanted it 
 built that way so I could easily add and remove fenders between Winter and 
 Summer riding seasons.  Apparently noses in Waterford, WI, flew up at the 
 suggestion because I never go a reply one way or another.  Had such a 
 frame 
 been built, though, it would've been about the same as what you've ordered 
 from Riv.


 On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:22:54 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> George Schick said it "sounds a lot like a cross bike"
>
> Um...OK?  What is the purpose of your comment?  Are you recommending 
> that I put knobbies on my forthcoming Canti-Roadeo and race cross on it?  
> Are you recommending that I cancel my order and buy an off the shelf 
> cyclocross bike instead?  Are you opining that a road bike with 
> cantilever 
> brakes ceases to be a road bike?  Are you just applying your personal 
> label 
> 

[RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Bill Lindsay]

George Schick said "I'm not sure I quite agree with the "skitishness" of a 
higher BB"

I didn't use the term "skitishness".  I said "nervous" and "agile", which I 
think is equivalent to what you are calling "lively" and "responsive".  
We're talking about the same things.  I notice the differences, and I like 
the differences, and I want both bikes in my stable.  Neither is better.  
On some rides I will pick my cross bike, and on other rides I will pick my 
road bike.  The difference between the two is why a road bike and a cross 
bike are different bikes, to me.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:42:30 PM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:

> Bill - whoa!  Now I can see where you're coming from on this build.  Lots 
> of different things going on here.  And I do understand about the 
> difference between BB heights on a typical cross bike and something like 
> the Roadeo (or the 8cm BB drop on my Ram for that matter).  However, I'm 
> not sure I quite agree with the "skitishness" of a higher BB.  To the 
> point, I have the 54cm Ram and I also have an updated/rebuilt '71/'72 Fuji 
> Finest.  When I carefully place the two side by side I see that almost 
> everything about the two bike frames is nearly equal *except* the BB 
> height.  The Fuji has more like a 5cm BB drop.  Now, whenever I ride one of 
> those two bikes, I always find the Fuji to be much more lively and 
> responsive than the Ram - not that I think either is better or worse than 
> the other.  So... must just be a difference in riding styles or something.
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:19:23 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> George
>>
>> OK, I understand your point, but I disagree with it.  The major 
>> difference I see between a road bike and a cyclocross bike is BB height 
>> (aka drop).  A cross bike with little drop has a higher BB, is more 
>> "nervous" aka "agile".  A road bike with more drop is more "planted" and 
>> "stable".  I own a cyclocross race bike, a Rivendell Legolas, and had my 
>> normal Roadeo.  Both bikes are great road bikes, and I rode both of them on 
>> brevets in 2021.  Since my Roadeo is recently gone, I rode my Legolas on 
>> two 50 milers this past weekend.  The major difference is how much more 
>> nervous the Legolas feels at speed on the road.  I attribute all of that to 
>> the difference to the BB height, and the Legolas has a lower BB height than 
>> a lot of cyclocross bikes.  
>>
>> In addition to the geo difference, I approach my fit differently between 
>> a cyclocross race bike and a road bike.  I run a 57cm Legolas and a 59cm 
>> Roadeo.  
>>
>> In addition to the above, Grant did a special 'knee' in BB height on the 
>> 59 (his size).  It's a few mm even lower.  
>>
>> In addition to all the above, my build approach to a "road bike" and a 
>> "cyclocross race bike" is pretty different.  
>>
>> I concede that any normal person can build an adequate "cantilever road 
>> bike" out of a cyclocross racing frameset.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 11:34:56 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Bill - none of the above really.  I just see the geometry of the Roadeo 
>>> as those of a typical "road" bike and, since those are the dimensions that 
>>> cross bikes also have, adding canti's to it makes it more or less seem like 
>>> a cross bike.  No big deal about it at all, just an observation.  Many 
>>> years ago I made an inquiry to Waterford about having them build a bike 
>>> that would basically be a modification of one of their standard road series 
>>> frames, but with canti's.  I made the mistake by saying that I wanted it 
>>> built that way so I could easily add and remove fenders between Winter and 
>>> Summer riding seasons.  Apparently noses in Waterford, WI, flew up at the 
>>> suggestion because I never go a reply one way or another.  Had such a frame 
>>> been built, though, it would've been about the same as what you've ordered 
>>> from Riv.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:22:54 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 George Schick said it "sounds a lot like a cross bike"

 Um...OK?  What is the purpose of your comment?  Are you recommending 
 that I put knobbies on my forthcoming Canti-Roadeo and race cross on it?  
 Are you recommending that I cancel my order and buy an off the shelf 
 cyclocross bike instead?  Are you opining that a road bike with cantilever 
 brakes ceases to be a road bike?  Are you just applying your personal 
 label 
 to my forthcoming bike?

 I have responses to all of those.  What are we discussing?

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:52:34 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:

> Bill - the canti-roadeo you envision sounds a lot like a cross bike.
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:20:20 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> There are a number of threads on which I've mentioned a 

[RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Ryan]

Well,Bill, I'm excited for you and I'll be following along to see what the 
finished bike looks like knowing how detail-oriented you are

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:25:02 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Marty
>
> "Compatibility with red" is a nice-to-have feature: Corwin elected to sell 
> back the RED Chris King headset to me, and I have the red Fizik Arione 
> saddle also.  
>
> Silver with red could tie it all together.  
> Cream with red headtube is the classic Roadeo trademark color.  It's what 
> I had, and it's great.  Getting it again seems boring, but it looks great.  
> Tuxedo black with cream looks great on tuxedo Hillbornes, and red as an 
> accent to any tuxedo bike can work.  That's on my list.  
>
> I could try to sell this red headset and use a different saddle.  There's 
> time to think about it.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:10:01 PM UTC-7 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown 
> PA wrote:
>
>> I like the idea Bill, and wholeheartedly APPROVE! Are you thinking 
>> cantis, or v-brakes? Timing-wise the new Riv Vs might coincide with frame 
>> delivery. I'm guessing drop bars? Back in my distant past (and before Riv) 
>> I had canti bosses added to a Paramount I had custom built. That was a 
>> sweet bike (and one I never photographed...) so I get the attraction. 
>> Color-wise I lean in the direction of silver metallic (not grey) and have 
>> always liked the idea of a red head tube. I grabbed this pic years ago 
>> (someone here?) and it's still an inspiration. maybe add some red cable 
>> housing. 
>>
>> Looking forward to following along. 
>>
>> Marty
>>
>> [image: cc012-3Rivfix-head2.jpg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:34:56 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Bill - none of the above really.  I just see the geometry of the Roadeo 
>>> as those of a typical "road" bike and, since those are the dimensions that 
>>> cross bikes also have, adding canti's to it makes it more or less seem like 
>>> a cross bike.  No big deal about it at all, just an observation.  Many 
>>> years ago I made an inquiry to Waterford about having them build a bike 
>>> that would basically be a modification of one of their standard road series 
>>> frames, but with canti's.  I made the mistake by saying that I wanted it 
>>> built that way so I could easily add and remove fenders between Winter and 
>>> Summer riding seasons.  Apparently noses in Waterford, WI, flew up at the 
>>> suggestion because I never go a reply one way or another.  Had such a frame 
>>> been built, though, it would've been about the same as what you've ordered 
>>> from Riv.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:22:54 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 George Schick said it "sounds a lot like a cross bike"

 Um...OK?  What is the purpose of your comment?  Are you recommending 
 that I put knobbies on my forthcoming Canti-Roadeo and race cross on it?  
 Are you recommending that I cancel my order and buy an off the shelf 
 cyclocross bike instead?  Are you opining that a road bike with cantilever 
 brakes ceases to be a road bike?  Are you just applying your personal 
 label 
 to my forthcoming bike?

 I have responses to all of those.  What are we discussing?

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:52:34 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:

> Bill - the canti-roadeo you envision sounds a lot like a cross bike.
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:20:20 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> There are a number of threads on which I've mentioned a desire to own 
>> a Nobilette-built Roadeo with cantilever posts.  It came up in a thread 
>> about the Legolas, it came up in a thread about brevets on Rivs.  I've 
>> made 
>> no secret that I wanted a Canti-Roa.  There have been Canti-Roms, 
>> Canti-Rams, even Canti-Homers.  I'm on record saying that my ideal Riv 
>> road 
>> bike would be a Nobilette build, constructed of Roadeo/Legolas tubing, 
>> Roadeo Geometry, but the clearances of my Canti-Hillborne.  Putting my 
>> money where my mouth is, I'd stated a few times that if any of you would 
>> buy my existing Roadeo, that I'd put all your dollars right back to Riv 
>> and 
>> order a Canti-Roa.  
>>
>> Well, it finally happened.  Lister Corwin needed my 59 Roadeo frame 
>> and fork, and today I sent all his dollars plus several of my own back 
>> to 
>> Rivendell to order a Canti-Roadeo.  Mark Abele and I are ironing out the 
>> details.  I've got no idea yet how long Nobilette's queue is at the 
>> moment, 
>> but I'm very excited.  I have no clue whatsoever on color yet.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[George Schick]

Bill - whoa!  Now I can see where you're coming from on this build.  Lots 
of different things going on here.  And I do understand about the 
difference between BB heights on a typical cross bike and something like 
the Roadeo (or the 8cm BB drop on my Ram for that matter).  However, I'm 
not sure I quite agree with the "skitishness" of a higher BB.  To the 
point, I have the 54cm Ram and I also have an updated/rebuilt '71/'72 Fuji 
Finest.  When I carefully place the two side by side I see that almost 
everything about the two bike frames is nearly equal *except* the BB 
height.  The Fuji has more like a 5cm BB drop.  Now, whenever I ride one of 
those two bikes, I always find the Fuji to be much more lively and 
responsive than the Ram - not that I think either is better or worse than 
the other.  So... must just be a difference in riding styles or something.

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:19:23 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> George
>
> OK, I understand your point, but I disagree with it.  The major difference 
> I see between a road bike and a cyclocross bike is BB height (aka drop).  A 
> cross bike with little drop has a higher BB, is more "nervous" aka 
> "agile".  A road bike with more drop is more "planted" and "stable".  I own 
> a cyclocross race bike, a Rivendell Legolas, and had my normal Roadeo.  
> Both bikes are great road bikes, and I rode both of them on brevets in 
> 2021.  Since my Roadeo is recently gone, I rode my Legolas on two 50 milers 
> this past weekend.  The major difference is how much more nervous the 
> Legolas feels at speed on the road.  I attribute all of that to the 
> difference to the BB height, and the Legolas has a lower BB height than a 
> lot of cyclocross bikes.  
>
> In addition to the geo difference, I approach my fit differently between a 
> cyclocross race bike and a road bike.  I run a 57cm Legolas and a 59cm 
> Roadeo.  
>
> In addition to the above, Grant did a special 'knee' in BB height on the 
> 59 (his size).  It's a few mm even lower.  
>
> In addition to all the above, my build approach to a "road bike" and a 
> "cyclocross race bike" is pretty different.  
>
> I concede that any normal person can build an adequate "cantilever road 
> bike" out of a cyclocross racing frameset.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 11:34:56 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Bill - none of the above really.  I just see the geometry of the Roadeo 
>> as those of a typical "road" bike and, since those are the dimensions that 
>> cross bikes also have, adding canti's to it makes it more or less seem like 
>> a cross bike.  No big deal about it at all, just an observation.  Many 
>> years ago I made an inquiry to Waterford about having them build a bike 
>> that would basically be a modification of one of their standard road series 
>> frames, but with canti's.  I made the mistake by saying that I wanted it 
>> built that way so I could easily add and remove fenders between Winter and 
>> Summer riding seasons.  Apparently noses in Waterford, WI, flew up at the 
>> suggestion because I never go a reply one way or another.  Had such a frame 
>> been built, though, it would've been about the same as what you've ordered 
>> from Riv.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:22:54 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> George Schick said it "sounds a lot like a cross bike"
>>>
>>> Um...OK?  What is the purpose of your comment?  Are you recommending 
>>> that I put knobbies on my forthcoming Canti-Roadeo and race cross on it?  
>>> Are you recommending that I cancel my order and buy an off the shelf 
>>> cyclocross bike instead?  Are you opining that a road bike with cantilever 
>>> brakes ceases to be a road bike?  Are you just applying your personal label 
>>> to my forthcoming bike?
>>>
>>> I have responses to all of those.  What are we discussing?
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:52:34 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Bill - the canti-roadeo you envision sounds a lot like a cross bike.


 On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:20:20 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> There are a number of threads on which I've mentioned a desire to own 
> a Nobilette-built Roadeo with cantilever posts.  It came up in a thread 
> about the Legolas, it came up in a thread about brevets on Rivs.  I've 
> made 
> no secret that I wanted a Canti-Roa.  There have been Canti-Roms, 
> Canti-Rams, even Canti-Homers.  I'm on record saying that my ideal Riv 
> road 
> bike would be a Nobilette build, constructed of Roadeo/Legolas tubing, 
> Roadeo Geometry, but the clearances of my Canti-Hillborne.  Putting my 
> money where my mouth is, I'd stated a few times that if any of you would 
> buy my existing Roadeo, that I'd put all your dollars right back to Riv 
> and 
> order a Canti-Roa.  
>
> Well, it finally happened.  Lister Corwin needed my 59 Roadeo 

[RBW] Re: A Platy on the Raddy

[Doug H.]

Excellent story. Bicycles are for everyone!
Doug

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:07:34 PM UTC-4 larson@gmail.com wrote:

> Very cool build and a great story/message.
> Randy
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:13:47 AM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Had to share this wonderful story and great looking Platy build from the 
>> Radavist...
>>
>>
>> https://theradavist.com/2022/04/hope-cyclery-builds-andrews-rivendell-platypus/
>>
>> Enjoy,
>> JohnS
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Bill Lindsay]

Marty

"Compatibility with red" is a nice-to-have feature: Corwin elected to sell 
back the RED Chris King headset to me, and I have the red Fizik Arione 
saddle also.  

Silver with red could tie it all together.  
Cream with red headtube is the classic Roadeo trademark color.  It's what I 
had, and it's great.  Getting it again seems boring, but it looks great.  
Tuxedo black with cream looks great on tuxedo Hillbornes, and red as an 
accent to any tuxedo bike can work.  That's on my list.  

I could try to sell this red headset and use a different saddle.  There's 
time to think about it.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:10:01 PM UTC-7 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown 
PA wrote:

> I like the idea Bill, and wholeheartedly APPROVE! Are you thinking cantis, 
> or v-brakes? Timing-wise the new Riv Vs might coincide with frame delivery. 
> I'm guessing drop bars? Back in my distant past (and before Riv) I had 
> canti bosses added to a Paramount I had custom built. That was a sweet bike 
> (and one I never photographed...) so I get the attraction. Color-wise I 
> lean in the direction of silver metallic (not grey) and have always liked 
> the idea of a red head tube. I grabbed this pic years ago (someone here?) 
> and it's still an inspiration. maybe add some red cable housing. 
>
> Looking forward to following along. 
>
> Marty
>
> [image: cc012-3Rivfix-head2.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:34:56 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Bill - none of the above really.  I just see the geometry of the Roadeo 
>> as those of a typical "road" bike and, since those are the dimensions that 
>> cross bikes also have, adding canti's to it makes it more or less seem like 
>> a cross bike.  No big deal about it at all, just an observation.  Many 
>> years ago I made an inquiry to Waterford about having them build a bike 
>> that would basically be a modification of one of their standard road series 
>> frames, but with canti's.  I made the mistake by saying that I wanted it 
>> built that way so I could easily add and remove fenders between Winter and 
>> Summer riding seasons.  Apparently noses in Waterford, WI, flew up at the 
>> suggestion because I never go a reply one way or another.  Had such a frame 
>> been built, though, it would've been about the same as what you've ordered 
>> from Riv.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:22:54 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> George Schick said it "sounds a lot like a cross bike"
>>>
>>> Um...OK?  What is the purpose of your comment?  Are you recommending 
>>> that I put knobbies on my forthcoming Canti-Roadeo and race cross on it?  
>>> Are you recommending that I cancel my order and buy an off the shelf 
>>> cyclocross bike instead?  Are you opining that a road bike with cantilever 
>>> brakes ceases to be a road bike?  Are you just applying your personal label 
>>> to my forthcoming bike?
>>>
>>> I have responses to all of those.  What are we discussing?
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:52:34 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 Bill - the canti-roadeo you envision sounds a lot like a cross bike.


 On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:20:20 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> There are a number of threads on which I've mentioned a desire to own 
> a Nobilette-built Roadeo with cantilever posts.  It came up in a thread 
> about the Legolas, it came up in a thread about brevets on Rivs.  I've 
> made 
> no secret that I wanted a Canti-Roa.  There have been Canti-Roms, 
> Canti-Rams, even Canti-Homers.  I'm on record saying that my ideal Riv 
> road 
> bike would be a Nobilette build, constructed of Roadeo/Legolas tubing, 
> Roadeo Geometry, but the clearances of my Canti-Hillborne.  Putting my 
> money where my mouth is, I'd stated a few times that if any of you would 
> buy my existing Roadeo, that I'd put all your dollars right back to Riv 
> and 
> order a Canti-Roa.  
>
> Well, it finally happened.  Lister Corwin needed my 59 Roadeo frame 
> and fork, and today I sent all his dollars plus several of my own back to 
> Rivendell to order a Canti-Roadeo.  Mark Abele and I are ironing out the 
> details.  I've got no idea yet how long Nobilette's queue is at the 
> moment, 
> but I'm very excited.  I have no clue whatsoever on color yet.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>


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[RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Bill Lindsay]

George

OK, I understand your point, but I disagree with it.  The major difference 
I see between a road bike and a cyclocross bike is BB height (aka drop).  A 
cross bike with little drop has a higher BB, is more "nervous" aka 
"agile".  A road bike with more drop is more "planted" and "stable".  I own 
a cyclocross race bike, a Rivendell Legolas, and had my normal Roadeo.  
Both bikes are great road bikes, and I rode both of them on brevets in 
2021.  Since my Roadeo is recently gone, I rode my Legolas on two 50 milers 
this past weekend.  The major difference is how much more nervous the 
Legolas feels at speed on the road.  I attribute all of that to the 
difference to the BB height, and the Legolas has a lower BB height than a 
lot of cyclocross bikes.  

In addition to the geo difference, I approach my fit differently between a 
cyclocross race bike and a road bike.  I run a 57cm Legolas and a 59cm 
Roadeo.  

In addition to the above, Grant did a special 'knee' in BB height on the 59 
(his size).  It's a few mm even lower.  

In addition to all the above, my build approach to a "road bike" and a 
"cyclocross race bike" is pretty different.  

I concede that any normal person can build an adequate "cantilever road 
bike" out of a cyclocross racing frameset.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 11:34:56 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:

> Bill - none of the above really.  I just see the geometry of the Roadeo as 
> those of a typical "road" bike and, since those are the dimensions that 
> cross bikes also have, adding canti's to it makes it more or less seem like 
> a cross bike.  No big deal about it at all, just an observation.  Many 
> years ago I made an inquiry to Waterford about having them build a bike 
> that would basically be a modification of one of their standard road series 
> frames, but with canti's.  I made the mistake by saying that I wanted it 
> built that way so I could easily add and remove fenders between Winter and 
> Summer riding seasons.  Apparently noses in Waterford, WI, flew up at the 
> suggestion because I never go a reply one way or another.  Had such a frame 
> been built, though, it would've been about the same as what you've ordered 
> from Riv.
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:22:54 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> George Schick said it "sounds a lot like a cross bike"
>>
>> Um...OK?  What is the purpose of your comment?  Are you recommending that 
>> I put knobbies on my forthcoming Canti-Roadeo and race cross on it?  Are 
>> you recommending that I cancel my order and buy an off the shelf cyclocross 
>> bike instead?  Are you opining that a road bike with cantilever brakes 
>> ceases to be a road bike?  Are you just applying your personal label to my 
>> forthcoming bike?
>>
>> I have responses to all of those.  What are we discussing?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:52:34 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Bill - the canti-roadeo you envision sounds a lot like a cross bike.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:20:20 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 There are a number of threads on which I've mentioned a desire to own a 
 Nobilette-built Roadeo with cantilever posts.  It came up in a thread 
 about 
 the Legolas, it came up in a thread about brevets on Rivs.  I've made no 
 secret that I wanted a Canti-Roa.  There have been Canti-Roms, Canti-Rams, 
 even Canti-Homers.  I'm on record saying that my ideal Riv road bike would 
 be a Nobilette build, constructed of Roadeo/Legolas tubing, Roadeo 
 Geometry, but the clearances of my Canti-Hillborne.  Putting my money 
 where 
 my mouth is, I'd stated a few times that if any of you would buy my 
 existing Roadeo, that I'd put all your dollars right back to Riv and order 
 a Canti-Roa.  

 Well, it finally happened.  Lister Corwin needed my 59 Roadeo frame and 
 fork, and today I sent all his dollars plus several of my own back to 
 Rivendell to order a Canti-Roadeo.  Mark Abele and I are ironing out the 
 details.  I've got no idea yet how long Nobilette's queue is at the 
 moment, 
 but I'm very excited.  I have no clue whatsoever on color yet.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

>>>

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[RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA]

I like the idea Bill, and wholeheartedly APPROVE! Are you thinking cantis, 
or v-brakes? Timing-wise the new Riv Vs might coincide with frame delivery. 
I'm guessing drop bars? Back in my distant past (and before Riv) I had 
canti bosses added to a Paramount I had custom built. That was a sweet bike 
(and one I never photographed...) so I get the attraction. Color-wise I 
lean in the direction of silver metallic (not grey) and have always liked 
the idea of a red head tube. I grabbed this pic years ago (someone here?) 
and it's still an inspiration. maybe add some red cable housing. 

Looking forward to following along. 

Marty

[image: cc012-3Rivfix-head2.jpg]

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 2:34:56 PM UTC-4 George Schick wrote:

> Bill - none of the above really.  I just see the geometry of the Roadeo as 
> those of a typical "road" bike and, since those are the dimensions that 
> cross bikes also have, adding canti's to it makes it more or less seem like 
> a cross bike.  No big deal about it at all, just an observation.  Many 
> years ago I made an inquiry to Waterford about having them build a bike 
> that would basically be a modification of one of their standard road series 
> frames, but with canti's.  I made the mistake by saying that I wanted it 
> built that way so I could easily add and remove fenders between Winter and 
> Summer riding seasons.  Apparently noses in Waterford, WI, flew up at the 
> suggestion because I never go a reply one way or another.  Had such a frame 
> been built, though, it would've been about the same as what you've ordered 
> from Riv.
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:22:54 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> George Schick said it "sounds a lot like a cross bike"
>>
>> Um...OK?  What is the purpose of your comment?  Are you recommending that 
>> I put knobbies on my forthcoming Canti-Roadeo and race cross on it?  Are 
>> you recommending that I cancel my order and buy an off the shelf cyclocross 
>> bike instead?  Are you opining that a road bike with cantilever brakes 
>> ceases to be a road bike?  Are you just applying your personal label to my 
>> forthcoming bike?
>>
>> I have responses to all of those.  What are we discussing?
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:52:34 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> Bill - the canti-roadeo you envision sounds a lot like a cross bike.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:20:20 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 There are a number of threads on which I've mentioned a desire to own a 
 Nobilette-built Roadeo with cantilever posts.  It came up in a thread 
 about 
 the Legolas, it came up in a thread about brevets on Rivs.  I've made no 
 secret that I wanted a Canti-Roa.  There have been Canti-Roms, Canti-Rams, 
 even Canti-Homers.  I'm on record saying that my ideal Riv road bike would 
 be a Nobilette build, constructed of Roadeo/Legolas tubing, Roadeo 
 Geometry, but the clearances of my Canti-Hillborne.  Putting my money 
 where 
 my mouth is, I'd stated a few times that if any of you would buy my 
 existing Roadeo, that I'd put all your dollars right back to Riv and order 
 a Canti-Roa.  

 Well, it finally happened.  Lister Corwin needed my 59 Roadeo frame and 
 fork, and today I sent all his dollars plus several of my own back to 
 Rivendell to order a Canti-Roadeo.  Mark Abele and I are ironing out the 
 details.  I've got no idea yet how long Nobilette's queue is at the 
 moment, 
 but I'm very excited.  I have no clue whatsoever on color yet.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

>>>

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[RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[George Schick]

Bill - none of the above really.  I just see the geometry of the Roadeo as 
those of a typical "road" bike and, since those are the dimensions that 
cross bikes also have, adding canti's to it makes it more or less seem like 
a cross bike.  No big deal about it at all, just an observation.  Many 
years ago I made an inquiry to Waterford about having them build a bike 
that would basically be a modification of one of their standard road series 
frames, but with canti's.  I made the mistake by saying that I wanted it 
built that way so I could easily add and remove fenders between Winter and 
Summer riding seasons.  Apparently noses in Waterford, WI, flew up at the 
suggestion because I never go a reply one way or another.  Had such a frame 
been built, though, it would've been about the same as what you've ordered 
from Riv.


On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:22:54 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> George Schick said it "sounds a lot like a cross bike"
>
> Um...OK?  What is the purpose of your comment?  Are you recommending that 
> I put knobbies on my forthcoming Canti-Roadeo and race cross on it?  Are 
> you recommending that I cancel my order and buy an off the shelf cyclocross 
> bike instead?  Are you opining that a road bike with cantilever brakes 
> ceases to be a road bike?  Are you just applying your personal label to my 
> forthcoming bike?
>
> I have responses to all of those.  What are we discussing?
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:52:34 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:
>
>> Bill - the canti-roadeo you envision sounds a lot like a cross bike.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:20:20 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> There are a number of threads on which I've mentioned a desire to own a 
>>> Nobilette-built Roadeo with cantilever posts.  It came up in a thread about 
>>> the Legolas, it came up in a thread about brevets on Rivs.  I've made no 
>>> secret that I wanted a Canti-Roa.  There have been Canti-Roms, Canti-Rams, 
>>> even Canti-Homers.  I'm on record saying that my ideal Riv road bike would 
>>> be a Nobilette build, constructed of Roadeo/Legolas tubing, Roadeo 
>>> Geometry, but the clearances of my Canti-Hillborne.  Putting my money where 
>>> my mouth is, I'd stated a few times that if any of you would buy my 
>>> existing Roadeo, that I'd put all your dollars right back to Riv and order 
>>> a Canti-Roa.  
>>>
>>> Well, it finally happened.  Lister Corwin needed my 59 Roadeo frame and 
>>> fork, and today I sent all his dollars plus several of my own back to 
>>> Rivendell to order a Canti-Roadeo.  Mark Abele and I are ironing out the 
>>> details.  I've got no idea yet how long Nobilette's queue is at the moment, 
>>> but I'm very excited.  I have no clue whatsoever on color yet.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: BXB Bags

[Stephen]

Hey all,

Sale pending, I've gotten a lot of interest on these. I'll try to get back 
to everyone who emailed me, thanks!

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 1:50:18 PM UTC-4 J wrote:

> I could be interested in the better half. I'll send an email over.
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 6:39:36 AM UTC-7 Stephen wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:39:11 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:38:12 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>>

 -Medium Goldback Charcoal Waxed Canvas, includes 6 foam spacers for 
 fuzziing out from your handle bar. -- $100 + Shipping

 -Large size of the Better half frame bag in the coyote xpac. -- $50 + 
 shipping

 Bought these both some time ago, and found myself preferring my 
 Sackville bags. They have both been used and are a little dirty, but are 
 otherwise in very solid condition. Hoping someone else could make some 
 better use of them. Paypal FF preferred, and located in Gastonia NC

 Thanks for lookin, 
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[RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Bill Lindsay]

George Schick said it "sounds a lot like a cross bike"

Um...OK?  What is the purpose of your comment?  Are you recommending that I 
put knobbies on my forthcoming Canti-Roadeo and race cross on it?  Are you 
recommending that I cancel my order and buy an off the shelf cyclocross 
bike instead?  Are you opining that a road bike with cantilever brakes 
ceases to be a road bike?  Are you just applying your personal label to my 
forthcoming bike?

I have responses to all of those.  What are we discussing?

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:52:34 AM UTC-7 George Schick wrote:

> Bill - the canti-roadeo you envision sounds a lot like a cross bike.
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:20:20 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> There are a number of threads on which I've mentioned a desire to own a 
>> Nobilette-built Roadeo with cantilever posts.  It came up in a thread about 
>> the Legolas, it came up in a thread about brevets on Rivs.  I've made no 
>> secret that I wanted a Canti-Roa.  There have been Canti-Roms, Canti-Rams, 
>> even Canti-Homers.  I'm on record saying that my ideal Riv road bike would 
>> be a Nobilette build, constructed of Roadeo/Legolas tubing, Roadeo 
>> Geometry, but the clearances of my Canti-Hillborne.  Putting my money where 
>> my mouth is, I'd stated a few times that if any of you would buy my 
>> existing Roadeo, that I'd put all your dollars right back to Riv and order 
>> a Canti-Roa.  
>>
>> Well, it finally happened.  Lister Corwin needed my 59 Roadeo frame and 
>> fork, and today I sent all his dollars plus several of my own back to 
>> Rivendell to order a Canti-Roadeo.  Mark Abele and I are ironing out the 
>> details.  I've got no idea yet how long Nobilette's queue is at the moment, 
>> but I'm very excited.  I have no clue whatsoever on color yet.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[George Schick]

Bill - the canti-roadeo you envision sounds a lot like a cross bike.


On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 12:20:20 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> There are a number of threads on which I've mentioned a desire to own a 
> Nobilette-built Roadeo with cantilever posts.  It came up in a thread about 
> the Legolas, it came up in a thread about brevets on Rivs.  I've made no 
> secret that I wanted a Canti-Roa.  There have been Canti-Roms, Canti-Rams, 
> even Canti-Homers.  I'm on record saying that my ideal Riv road bike would 
> be a Nobilette build, constructed of Roadeo/Legolas tubing, Roadeo 
> Geometry, but the clearances of my Canti-Hillborne.  Putting my money where 
> my mouth is, I'd stated a few times that if any of you would buy my 
> existing Roadeo, that I'd put all your dollars right back to Riv and order 
> a Canti-Roa.  
>
> Well, it finally happened.  Lister Corwin needed my 59 Roadeo frame and 
> fork, and today I sent all his dollars plus several of my own back to 
> Rivendell to order a Canti-Roadeo.  Mark Abele and I are ironing out the 
> details.  I've got no idea yet how long Nobilette's queue is at the moment, 
> but I'm very excited.  I have no clue whatsoever on color yet.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: BXB Bags

[J]

I could be interested in the better half. I'll send an email over.

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 6:39:36 AM UTC-7 Stephen wrote:

> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:39:11 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:38:12 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> -Medium Goldback Charcoal Waxed Canvas, includes 6 foam spacers for 
>>> fuzziing out from your handle bar. -- $100 + Shipping
>>>
>>> -Large size of the Better half frame bag in the coyote xpac. -- $50 + 
>>> shipping
>>>
>>> Bought these both some time ago, and found myself preferring my 
>>> Sackville bags. They have both been used and are a little dirty, but are 
>>> otherwise in very solid condition. Hoping someone else could make some 
>>> better use of them. Paypal FF preferred, and located in Gastonia NC
>>>
>>> Thanks for lookin, 
>>> Stephen
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] NBOD: New Bike Ordered Day! The mythical canti-Roa!

[Bill Lindsay]

There are a number of threads on which I've mentioned a desire to own a 
Nobilette-built Roadeo with cantilever posts.  It came up in a thread about 
the Legolas, it came up in a thread about brevets on Rivs.  I've made no 
secret that I wanted a Canti-Roa.  There have been Canti-Roms, Canti-Rams, 
even Canti-Homers.  I'm on record saying that my ideal Riv road bike would 
be a Nobilette build, constructed of Roadeo/Legolas tubing, Roadeo 
Geometry, but the clearances of my Canti-Hillborne.  Putting my money where 
my mouth is, I'd stated a few times that if any of you would buy my 
existing Roadeo, that I'd put all your dollars right back to Riv and order 
a Canti-Roa.  

Well, it finally happened.  Lister Corwin needed my 59 Roadeo frame and 
fork, and today I sent all his dollars plus several of my own back to 
Rivendell to order a Canti-Roadeo.  Mark Abele and I are ironing out the 
details.  I've got no idea yet how long Nobilette's queue is at the moment, 
but I'm very excited.  I have no clue whatsoever on color yet.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

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[RBW] Re: A Platy on the Raddy

[larson....@gmail.com]

Very cool build and a great story/message.
Randy

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:13:47 AM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

> Had to share this wonderful story and great looking Platy build from the 
> Radavist...
>
>
> https://theradavist.com/2022/04/hope-cyclery-builds-andrews-rivendell-platypus/
>
> Enjoy,
> JohnS
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[RBW] WTB: 135mm 25.4 Nitto faceplater stem

[Jay P]

If you happen to have one to part with I would love to buy !
Thank you-
Jay P.
Reno, NV

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Re: [RBW] New To Rivendell, Appaloosa Initial Impressions

[Eric White]

Hi Randy,

Good memory! You are correct. The San Marcos is my link to the Rivendell
family. Not quite as burly as your Appaloosa but it's a joy to ride on
the Driftless hills.

The Pugs was a blast to ride this winter. Most enjoyable were several rides
through the neighborhood over unplowed streets on cold, snowy nights.
Rolling over snow while watching snowflakes float through the headlight is
a pretty nice way to spend an hour or two.

Maybe we can make a ride happen sometime this summer and I can ogle your
bike in person. Respectfully, of course!

Eric


On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 6:36 PM larson@gmail.com <
larson.phot...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Eric,
> How are you doing? Is my wife’s Pugsley working out for you? It took five
> months to get all of the necessary parts! Hope to cross paths with you
> again sometime! If I remember correctly, I believe you have a Soma San
> Marcos, which is a cool bike and part Rivendell :-)
> Randy
>
> On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 6:02:54 PM UTC-5 eric.j...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hey, I remember seeing that bike when it was just a frame. I came to buy
>> a Pugsley and got a sneak peek. It looks fantastic. I hope to see it in the
>> wild someday. Congratulations on the build!
>>
>> Eric
>> (Also in Madison, WI)
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 4, 2022 at 12:29 PM larson@gmail.com <
>> larson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: E986D2B1-4A98-4B9A-B7C7-C523BF1A7922.jpeg]Hey everyone! I am
>>> two months in to being a Rivendell owner, a 2TT dark green Appaloosa, and
>>> thought I would give my initial impressions. I live in the hilly Driftless
>>> area of southwestern Wisconsin, ride about 3000+ miles/year and am in my
>>> upper 50s. Only about 250 miles on the Appaloosa because of a cold, wet
>>> early Spring.
>>>
>>> The build is pretty straight forward, based on information from this
>>> forum and the help from Candice at Analog Cycles. I think I had only seen
>>> two Rivs in the wild, with one being on a car rack. Had a nice road-trip
>>> late last Summer to Ames IA to pick up the frame (thanks Brent!) This is
>>> the first bike I have built myself. I wanted a bike for mixed road day
>>> rides and short tours. Originally I was stuck on a Hunqapillar, but had no
>>> luck finding one. Then the Sam, but couldn’t find one of those either that
>>> would work for me. In retrospect, the Appaloosa is probably the best choice
>>> for me, situated between my Black Mountain Cycles monstercross and my Salsa
>>> Fargo, both of which I love. I expected Joe to ride like a Cadillac,
>>> comfortable and stable, and it does. What has surprised me is that the bike
>>> feels lively, and does not ride at all like a heavy touring bike. The
>>> comfortable position with the Billie bars, upright but with a very nice
>>> position at the front curves, works well for me. I appreciate the
>>> simplicity and the ease of working on the bike. I like the practicality of
>>> buying a very good frame and putting modest level parts. I also have come
>>> to understand some of the Rivendell philosophy of riding.
>>>
>>> I have ridden the bike on good and bad paved roads, gravel and a couple
>>> of farm field roads. In another month I will get to try the bike on some
>>> single/double track, and have several overnighters and a week tour planned.
>>> The Appaloosa is fun, capable and puts a smile on my face! Thank you to
>>> this forum for all the information I have gleaned in the last two years.
>>> Randy
>>>
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[RBW] A Platy on the Raddy

[JohnS]

Had to share this wonderful story and great looking Platy build from the 
Radavist...

https://theradavist.com/2022/04/hope-cyclery-builds-andrews-rivendell-platypus/

Enjoy,
JohnS

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Re: [RBW] Bags and Parts

[Dave S]

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On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 4:46:35 PM UTC-4 lkbr...@gmail.com wrote:

> Here is a bit of a delivery ride report, and a "thank you" note to those 
> who have made a purchase!
>
> I have ridden my Polyvalent to the post office a few times now, and I 
> really enjoy trying to pack things efficiently (buyers, please report on my 
> success) and carrying them on my bike. An Xtracycle Free Radical just 
> popped up on Craigslist here, and I would really like to give it a try, 
> both to observe its impact on riding and its carrying capacity. Do any of 
> you have experience with the Free Radical? How does it compare to something 
> like a front rack and a basket, or even something like a cargo fork? 
>
> I took this photo because I love this typeface that seems to appear on 
> various government buildings (what is the typeface called, where did it 
> originate?), but I was also surprised to see just how much darker the 
> sidewall of my rear tire has become over the past few months.
>
> Thanks again!
>
> Lukas
>
> [image: IMG_3863.jpg]
>
> On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 1:34:31 PM UTC-6 Hopalong Cassidy wrote:
>
>> Hey Bunch, here is an updated listing! 
>>
>> Here are some photos 
>> , but please 
>> forgive my original link error and panicked decision to delete the original 
>> message. Please reach out with questions or offers. I hope you are doing 
>> well!
>>
>> *For Sale:*
>> —new Swift Industries Sugarloaf basket bag (natural XPAC X10), make an 
>> offer
>>
>> —new Bags by Bird Goldback Medium (charcoal waxed canvas), $220 shipped
>>
>> —new VO Grand Cru triple crankarms (175mm length, 110bcd, no chainrings), 
>> $90 shipped
>>
>> —like new 80mm Nitto Dirt Drop (26mm clamp), $45 shipped
>>
>> — VO decaleur, $30 shipped
>>
>> *Sold:*
>>
>> —80mm Nitto Technomic stem (26mm clamp), SOLD
>>
>> —Swift Industries Zeitgeist (olive XPAC VX21), SOLD
>>
>> —Swift Industries Ozette V2 (large--15 L, black XPAC VX21), SOLD
>>
>> Lukas
>> On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 10:05:11 AM UTC-6 Hopalong Cassidy wrote:
>>
>>> Updated List
>>>
>>> For Sale:
>>> —used Swift Industries Zeitgeist (olive XPAC VX21), $175 shipped
>>>
>>> —new large Swift Industries Ozette V2, now called Merlin, (black XPAC 
>>> VX21), and VO decaleur (not installed), $225 shipped
>>>
>>> —new Swift Industries Sugarloaf basket bag (natural XPAC X10), make an 
>>> offer
>>>
>>> —new Bags by Bird Goldback Medium (charcoal waxed canvas), $220 shipped
>>>
>>> —new VO Grand Cru triple crankarm (175mm length, 110bcd, no chainrings), 
>>> $90 shipped
>>>
>>> —like new 80mm Nitto Dirt Drop (26mm clamp), $45 shipped
>>>
>>> —80mm Nitto Technomic stem (26mm clamp), SOLD
>>> Here are some photos 
>>> , please forgive 
>>> my original link error and panicked decision to delete the original 
>>> message. 
>>>
>>> Lukas
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 29, 2022 at 8:51:38 AM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, Eric.

 On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 5:55 PM 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch <
 rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Try this:
>
> https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0XJtdOXm88TUBJ
>
> --Eric Norris
> campyo...@me.com
> Insta: @CampyOnlyGuy
> YouTube: YouTube.com/CampyOnlyGuy 
>
> On Mar 28, 2022, at 4:28 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
> I hoped to look at a few items, but get a "Safari can't find the 
> server" message. Perhaps correct the link?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Patrick Moore
>
> On Mon, Mar 28, 2022 at 5:27 PM Hopalong Cassidy  
> wrote:
>
>> Howdy! I have collected a bunch of bags and parts recently, but I 
>> haven’t used them like I expected.
>>
>> —used Swift Industries Zeitgeist (olive XPAC VX21), $175 shipped
>>
>> —new large Swift Industries Ozette V2, now called Merlin, (black XPAC 
>> VX21), and VO decaleur, $250 shipped
>>
>> —new Swift Industries Sugarloaf basket bag (natural XPAC X10), make 
>> an offer
>>
>> —new Bags by Bird Goldback Medium (charcoal waxed canvas), $220 
>> shipped
>>
>> —new VO Grand Cru triple crankarm (175mm length, 110bcd, no 
>> chainrings), $100 shipped
>>
>> —like new 80mm Nitto Technomic stem (26mm clamp), $45 shipped
>>
>> —like new 80mm Nitto Dirt Drop (26mm clamp), $45 shipped
>> Photos: https://www.icloud.com/sharedalbum/#B0XJtdOXm88TUBJ 
>> 
>>
>> I look forward to hearing from you with questions or offers! 
>>
>> Lukas
>>
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[RBW] FS: BXB Bags

[Stephen]

-Medium Goldback Charcoal Waxed Canvas, includes 6 foam spacers for 
fuzziing out from your handle bar. -- $100 + Shipping

-Large size of the Better half frame bag in the coyote xpac. -- $50 + 
shipping

Bought these both some time ago, and found myself preferring my Sackville 
bags. They have both been used and are a little dirty, but are otherwise in 
very solid condition. Hoping someone else could make some better use of 
them. Paypal FF preferred, and located in Gastonia NC

Thanks for lookin, 
Stephen


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[RBW] Re: FS: Stems, seatpost, derailers, shifters

[Johnny Alien]

This is what is left. I am ordering new things so stuff has to flow out. :)

   1. *Clem Saddle* - Nice black padded saddle that comes with the Clems 
   and maybe some other Riv completes. Fairly wide so good for someone looking 
   for something cheap and wider than a B17. *$30*
   2. *Busch+Müller Eyc N Plus Lumotec IQ2 Dynamo Light* - This is new but 
   not in a box. Has the wire you need. 50 lux. *$40*
   3. *Altus Rear Derailer* - This is not the cool big pulley Altus. This 
   one was new on my Clem. Can be indexed up to 9 speeds and if you want the 
   Shimano trigger shifter that was on the Clem I can throw that in for a 
   couple bucks more. Nothing at all wrong with it. Does everything you want a 
   rear derailer to do. I just wanted to put a big pulley Altus on because I 
   had one and they look cool. *$30*
   4. *Deore Front Derailer* - Again this is new from the Clem. Nothing 
   wrong with this either I just went with a 1x setup. No need for it. *$20*
   5. *Sunrace Thumbshifters (Left inner/Right outer)* - These are the cool 
   friction thumb shifters that Riv put on everything for awhile. They click 
   when you shift but aren't indexed.Info is on the Riv site. I have two of 
   these and both are new. One came from the Clem and one came from a set I 
   bought where I only needed one). These can be used for the front derailer 
   mounted inside the handlebar on the left or for the rear mounted on the 
   outside on the right. Technically you could use both of these on one bike 
   but that might look weird. Grant might approve. *$25 each.*


On Sunday, April 3, 2022 at 3:43:18 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Both stems are gone.
>
> If someone wants the two derailers, a thumb shifter and a front index 
> trigger shifter I would do all of that for $50. Thats essentially the 
> shifting collection that comes stock on the new Clems.
>
> I will also let that Dynamo light go for $35 shipped.
>
> On Friday, April 1, 2022 at 12:15:05 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> The $30 tallux is sold
>>
>> On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 10:59:53 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> A new thread to cover what I still have left plus a few more items. Feel 
>>> free to make offers especially if you want more than one thing. All prices 
>>> are shipped.
>>>
>>>1. *Clem Saddle* - Nice black padded saddle that comes with the 
>>>Clems and maybe some other Riv completes. Fairly wide so good for 
>>> someone 
>>>looking for something cheap and wider than a B17. *$30* 
>>>2. *Busch+Müller Eyc N Plus Lumotec IQ2* - This is new but not in a 
>>>box. Has the wire you need. 50 lux. *$40* 
>>>3. *Altus Rear Derailer* - This is not the cool big pulley Altus. 
>>>This one was new on my Clem. Can be indexed up to 9 speeds and if you 
>>> want 
>>>the Shimano trigger shifter that was on the Clem I can throw that in for 
>>> a 
>>>couple bucks more. Nothing at all wrong with it. Does everything you 
>>> want a 
>>>rear derailer to do. I just wanted to put a big pulley Altus on because 
>>> I 
>>>had one and they look cool. *$30* 
>>>4. *Deore Front Derailer* - Again this is new from the Clem. Nothing 
>>>wrong with this either I just went with a 1x setup. No need for it. 
>>>*$20* 
>>>5. *Sunrace Thumbshifters (Left inner/Right outer)* - These are the 
>>>cool friction thumb shifters that Riv put on everything for awhile. They 
>>>click when you shift but aren't indexed.Info is on the Riv site. I have 
>>> two 
>>>of these and both are new. One came from the Clem and one came from a 
>>> set I 
>>>bought where I only needed one). These can be used for the front 
>>> derailer 
>>>mounted inside the handlebar on the left or for the rear mounted on the 
>>>outside on the right. Technically you could use both of these on one 
>>> bike 
>>>but that might look weird. Grant might approve. *$25 each.* 
>>>6. *Nitto Tallux 8cm 25.4 clamp - *Great shape with no marks. I 
>>>would consider this “as new”* $50* 
>>>7. *Nitto Tallux 8cm 25.4 clamp - *In great shape. I bought this 
>>>from someone in this group and it has a small black mark in the column. 
>>> I 
>>>assume a previous owner used it to mark where they liked it. It’s small 
>>> and 
>>>probably would come off with some polish or it will be in the head tube 
>>> and 
>>>you would never see it but either way it makes it* $30* 
>>>8. *Generic 26.8 seatpost - *These are what comes stock on a bunch 
>>>of Rivendell models. Its also what VO sells in a ton of sizes. Nice seat 
>>>posts that aren’t Nitto quality but still nice enough that I never 
>>> replace 
>>>them.  This is an extra I don’t think I will be using. “As new”* $25* 
>>>
>>>

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