Re: [RBW] Re: Rack and Fenders for Clem L

[JAS]

I've got the silver shiny Rivendell rack on my Clem L 52 as well as the SKS 
65 fenders (which I notched with a Dremmel).  I installed both on the bike 
without issue.  Unfortunately, one has to mount fenders twice.  Once to get 
the alignment and stay length marked and a second time after cutting the 
stays.  It takes time, but is not difficult.  I marked the fender with a 
Sharpie, then went to work with the Dremmel cutting tool.  No big deal.  My 
tires are 48 and the fenders are perfect.  The rack is stout and sturdy; 
when I want to run panniers for the groceries and other loads, it will 
handle the job.

Joyce

On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 4:19:06 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I've used the full array from Avocet to Zefal in plastic or whatever PB 
> and SKS make theirs from, and in metal from Berthoud to Wald in aluminum 
> and steel. For permanent installation, and if you don't mind doing a little 
> pre-install study and prep, I suggest metal fenders, and Velo Orange has 
> very nice ones for reasonable prices. 
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/fenders
>
> You say you're no mechanic, but IME, if you can learn to install SKS or 
> Planet Bike fenders, you can learn to install metal fenders. The best 
> instructions, those I learned from, are from Jitensha Studios.
>
> As for racks, if you want load capacity and stiffness but are willing to 
> discount "priddy," you might look at Tubus. IME, a stiff rack makes as much 
> difference, if not more, to secure rear loading (I don't have as much 
> experience with front loads) as a stiff rear triangle. The Fly for example, 
> now in stainless steel instead of black powdercoated chromo, weighs a 
> couple of oz more and carries a couple of lbs less, but still handles 40 lb 
> loads with aplomb (not too long ago I carried 46 lb on mine; not the way to 
> bomb down fast downhill curves, but do-able). 
>
>
> https://www.tubus.com/en/products?tx_tubusproducts_products%5Baction%5D=list_tubusproducts_products%5Bcontroller%5D=Products=fc0be0ec82dacbc63b4ee1b12f522597#prodId_16
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 10:41:34 AM UTC-7 care...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I just purchased a 59 cm Clem L from Crust Bikes. I’m deciding on a rack 
>> and fenders. I’m down to the Shiny Rear Rack from Riv or the Nitto R14 from 
>> Crust.  Any thoughts or suggestions?  I don’t need a heavy duty touring 
>> rack but the Shiny looks a little more durable. Riv told me they would have 
>> some soon.
>>
>> The SKS P50 look like the right fender but I don’t want a mud flap. Are 
>> they removeable?  Are the B65s too large?
>>
>> I’m no mechanic so the easier the installation the better.
>>
>> Carey Rogers
>>
>> Nashville
>>
>>  
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Gilles Berthoud Vars ti rail saddle

[Joe Bernard]

SOLD

On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 4:16:19 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

> Oh bother, I just noticed a nick in the leather. This is what happens when 
> your saddle gets moved around instead of being on a seatpost, shop wear if 
> you will. Make offer! 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 4:02:45 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> Hardly ridden, I like the broken-in B17 ti on my Riv Custom and this 
>> gorgeous expensive one always ends up on bikes I don't ride..now I only 
>> have one bike! 
>>
>> $200 shipped
>>
>> https://berthoudcycles.fr/en/539-leather-saddle-vars-black.html
>>
>> Joe Bernard
>> joeremi62 gmail com
>> Text 415-786-4623 <(415)%20786-4623>
>>
>

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[RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[st nick]

Leah, what a great account of trying a new aspect to cycling!
It's made even greater that you're doing it on a Platypus!

This thread was a fun read.
I enjoyed the insightful reply as well.
It sounds like many on this list have tried the faster group riding  at one 
time in their cycling experience, me included.
The best I could ever do in my younger cycling days was average 16 to 17 
mph.(My late 30's to mid 40's)
I could not hang with the 18 to 20 mph and up folks.
I did enjoy the local Dallas  cycling TX club for several years, mostly for the 
comraderie and social aspects.
Their rides were no drop and they really looked after the slower and newer 
riders.Also they often met for lunch afterwards.
It sounds like your group is similar in looking after all riders. 
The big Hotter n' Hell Hundred in Wichita Falls,  TX was also a hoot.10,000 
plus cyclists out on a hot August Saturday was something to behold. 
I participated 14 different years.Even my best attempt was only a 16mph average 
though. What an adventure though! It's really an endurance challenge at least 
it was for me to finish 100 miles in such heat. You definitely have to pace 
yourself. 
I only did the 100 miler 4 years and mostly started doing the 100k portion.
As I've aged the solo rides or with 2, 3 or 4 or so friends is what I enjoy 
most now although I'm very glad I had the other cycling experiences including 
loaded up self contained touring.
Leah, enjoy your new riding experience and please keep sharing. 
You have a gift to be able to share in such a winsome,  fun for others to read 
and relate way.
Safe pedaling at any speed.Paul in Dallas(Too wordy in my senior years)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Rack and Fenders for Clem L

[Patrick Moore]

I've used the full array from Avocet to Zefal in plastic or whatever PB and
SKS make theirs from, and in metal from Berthoud to Wald in aluminum and
steel. For permanent installation, and if you don't mind doing a little
pre-install study and prep, I suggest metal fenders, and Velo Orange has
very nice ones for reasonable prices.
https://velo-orange.com/collections/fenders

You say you're no mechanic, but IME, if you can learn to install SKS or
Planet Bike fenders, you can learn to install metal fenders. The best
instructions, those I learned from, are from Jitensha Studios.

As for racks, if you want load capacity and stiffness but are willing to
discount "priddy," you might look at Tubus. IME, a stiff rack makes as much
difference, if not more, to secure rear loading (I don't have as much
experience with front loads) as a stiff rear triangle. The Fly for example,
now in stainless steel instead of black powdercoated chromo, weighs a
couple of oz more and carries a couple of lbs less, but still handles 40 lb
loads with aplomb (not too long ago I carried 46 lb on mine; not the way to
bomb down fast downhill curves, but do-able).

https://www.tubus.com/en/products?tx_tubusproducts_products%5Baction%5D=list_tubusproducts_products%5Bcontroller%5D=Products=fc0be0ec82dacbc63b4ee1b12f522597#prodId_16

On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 10:41:34 AM UTC-7 care...@gmail.com wrote:
> I just purchased a 59 cm Clem L from Crust Bikes. I’m deciding on a rack
> and fenders. I’m down to the Shiny Rear Rack from Riv or the Nitto R14 from
> Crust.  Any thoughts or suggestions?  I don’t need a heavy duty touring
> rack but the Shiny looks a little more durable. Riv told me they would have
> some soon.
>
> The SKS P50 look like the right fender but I don’t want a mud flap. Are
> they removeable?  Are the B65s too large?
>
> I’m no mechanic so the easier the installation the better.
>
> Carey Rogers
>
> Nashville
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Leah Peterson]

Thank you, All, you are SO NICE. I really appreciate the tips and 
encouragement. I’m so glad the club has been welcoming. One of the members (he 
rides a Riv!) sending me a woman to show me the ropes in her non-intimidating 
way has been so key. 

I love my Raspberry Platypus, genuinely love it, and that might be the only 
reason I am brave enough to bring it to a club ride. I couldn’t enjoy myself if 
I couldn’t ride that particular Platypus. By the time I took possession of it, 
I had been pining for my bike for over two years. It has been everything I 
hoped for and is part of my identity now. We go together; its inclusion into 
rides not suited to it is part of the deal. 

But it just so happens that this bike *can* keep up. I have a couple of 
advantages: 1. The club members I met say they don’t ride in the cold months, 
and I do (if there isn’t snow on the road). So, I’ve already had a lot of time 
on my bike when the season starts. 2. Pedaling a heavier bike will make you 
stronger. I really believe this - I think I just adapted. 

Now, as the road crew build their fitness during summer rides, they may leave 
my Racing Platypus in the dust. But I can’t worry about that right now. We’ll 
see what next week brings!
Leah

> On Apr 7, 2022, at 4:48 PM, 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> Leah, I am not surprised that a fit young woman, such as you, could keep up 
> with the more 'serious' riders on more 'serious' bikes. I have come to 
> understand, experientially and anecdotally, that once you are in an efficient 
> position on a well-functioning bike, the bike is just not that important for 
> non-sprinting speed.
> 
> What does surprise me is your willingness to be the outlier, the 
> non-conformist, to stretch yourself into an unfamiliar situation. That is 
> true strength and speaks to your depth of character. Excellent, most 
> excellent.
> 
> Joe 'be more like Leah' Ramey in GJT
> 
>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 8:10:18 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> We moved to Michigan 4 months ago. After years of being a Lone Wolf I did 
>> the unthinkable and joined the local bike club. The club was founded by 
>> racers 50 (FIFTY!) years ago, but they seemed welcoming enough. Having never 
>> ridden in a group, I lacked knowledge of my pace and skill, did not knowif 
>> I’d enjoy club riding. I’ve never been a road rider. The West has always 
>> offered me bike lanes and bike paths - riding with cars going 55 mph seemed 
>> suicidal. Would it be stressful? Would I be accepted? Would I be slow? My 
>> raspberry Platypus is my lightest build. I don’t know how much it weighs, 
>> but it has a lightweight Nitto rear rack, a Bag Boy Saddlesack (not 
>> pictured), and too many things on the handlebars. Meet my club ride bike. 
>> 
>> My Racing Platypus. 
>> 
>> One of the board members took me under her wing. She invited her good friend 
>> and organized a ride for the 3 of us. She taught me club etiquette on the 
>> road. They rode carbon bikes with drop bars, but they did not question my 
>> bike. It went great. Bolstered by that ride, I accepted her invite to the 
>> first club ride of the season, provided we could ride in the same group. 
>> “They’ll never believe it when you show up with that bike, Leah, but you’re 
>> strong and you can definitely do club rides.” I have stars in my eyes for 
>> this woman; she is admirable in every way. If she said I could do it, I 
>> would try.
>> 
>> I pulled into the park and it was carbon and drop bars as far as the eye 
>> could see. A wave of nausea washed over me as I walked my Platypus to the 
>> group huddle. Billie Bars on full display, Grant Safety triangle clasped 
>> around my waist, looking like a true Lone Wolf, I stood in the circle. The 
>> older members were very welcoming and found nice things to say about the 
>> Racing Platypus. The younger racers…well, they ignored it. I’m just as 
>> guilty; I find them terrifying, so I didn’t say hello, either. 
>> 
>> My mentor put us in the 12-14 mph group. A good place to start. It proved 
>> too easy and I coasted much of that 20 miles. We decided we’d do the 15-16 
>> mph group next time. That day came and due to bad weather it was a small 
>> turnout. We joined the slow group again because they would have only had 2 
>> riders otherwise. We chose the route famous for its “rollers” (“What are 
>> rollers?” the Platypus rider asked.) and conquered them in cold weather with 
>> a headwind. The Racing Platypus, baptized on the mountains and hills of Las 
>> Vegas, took no issue with those rollers. 
>> 
>> The next night was the women’s ride - the first of the season. About 10 
>> women, all experienced riders. Triathletes and marathoners, most. All on 
>> drop bar carbon or aluminum. Wondering if they should create a slow and a 
>> fast group, my mentor interrupted and said we’ll be one 15-16 mph group. 
>> Leah can hang. 
>> 
>> I hadn’t realized *I* was the reason they were 

Re: [RBW] Re: Rack and Fenders for Clem L

[Richard Rose]

Another thumbs up for the Shiny rack - very sturdy & very good value IMHO. Mine 
is on a 52 Clem & it’s a simple install. Very clean.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 7, 2022, at 5:25 PM, Ed Carolipio  wrote:
> 
> Congrats on the new bike. On the rack, I'd go with the Shiny over the R14 
> since I think it's more versatile. The R14 is really for light loads or to 
> support a saddle bag - sooo shiny but not as practical. For fenders, I run 
> the Planet Bike Cascadia fenders (in plastic) on my 52cm Clem L (2021) at 
> 650b x 60mm. I think a 60mm fender is a good fit for the 650b x 2.10 on my 
> Clem tires and no interference on frame and fork. They only make this fender 
> in aluminum now though still competitively priced. Removing the mudflap will 
> leave two open holes in the fender you'll have to cover or plug.
> 
> I also have a set of SKS Commuter B65 Commuter II at 650b x 65mm I was going 
> to try but looked like I needed to do some trimming to get it to work. Also, 
> I thought it was overly broad for a 2.10 tire. I'd go with these if I ever 
> decided to run a 2.35 tire (and still remain fendered). That doesn't come 
> with a mudflap.
> 
> I have the P50s on another bike and they work best with 42mm tires. For some 
> 45mm tires, they are on the skinny side for coverage. These come with a 
> mudflap which leave two open holes if you remove it.
> 
> --Ed C.
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 10:41:34 AM UTC-7 care...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I just purchased a 59 cm Clem L from Crust Bikes. I’m deciding on a rack and 
>> fenders. I’m down to the Shiny Rear Rack from Riv or the Nitto R14 from 
>> Crust.  Any thoughts or suggestions?  I don’t need a heavy duty touring rack 
>> but the Shiny looks a little more durable. Riv told me they would have some 
>> soon.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> The SKS P50 look like the right fender but I don’t want a mud flap. Are they 
>> removeable?  Are the B65s too large?
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I’m no mechanic so the easier the installation the better.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Carey Rogers
>> 
>> Nashville
>> 
>>  
>> 
> 
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[RBW] Re: Rack and Fenders for Clem L

[Ed Carolipio]

Congrats on the new bike. On the rack, I'd go with the Shiny over the R14 
since I think it's more versatile. The R14 is really for light loads or to 
support a saddle bag - sooo shiny but not as practical. For fenders, I run 
the Planet Bike Cascadia fenders (in plastic) on my 52cm Clem L (2021) at 
650b x 60mm. I think a 60mm fender is a good fit for the 650b x 2.10 on my 
Clem tires and no interference on frame and fork. They only make this 
fender in aluminum now though still competitively priced. Removing the 
mudflap will leave two open holes in the fender you'll have to cover or 
plug.

I also have a set of SKS Commuter B65 Commuter II at 650b x 65mm I was 
going to try but looked like I needed to do some trimming to get it to 
work. Also, I thought it was overly broad for a 2.10 tire. I'd go with 
these if I ever decided to run a 2.35 tire (and still remain fendered). 
That doesn't come with a mudflap.

I have the P50s on another bike and they work best with 42mm tires. For 
some 45mm tires, they are on the skinny side for coverage. These come with 
a mudflap which leave two open holes if you remove it.

--Ed C.
On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 10:41:34 AM UTC-7 care...@gmail.com wrote:

> I just purchased a 59 cm Clem L from Crust Bikes. I’m deciding on a rack 
> and fenders. I’m down to the Shiny Rear Rack from Riv or the Nitto R14 from 
> Crust.  Any thoughts or suggestions?  I don’t need a heavy duty touring 
> rack but the Shiny looks a little more durable. Riv told me they would have 
> some soon.
>
>  
>
> The SKS P50 look like the right fender but I don’t want a mud flap. Are 
> they removeable?  Are the B65s too large?
>
>  
>
> I’m no mechanic so the easier the installation the better.
>
>  
>
> Carey Rogers
>
> Nashville
>
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bags (Acorn, Makeshifter, Ron's, and more)

[Taylor M]

Hi all,

Thanks for all of your interest! Here's an updated (and reorganized) list 
with what remains.

Please note that prices do not include shipping, but if you buy two or more 
bags, I'll cover part of the shipping cost.

- Makeshifter Snackhole Stem Bag, new and never used – $78 + shipping *SOLD*
- Wizard Works Teeny Houdini Gravel Saddle Bag, new and never used – $50 + 
shipping *SOLD*
- Swift Industries Zeitgeist Pack, MUSA, lightly used twice, like new – 
$125 + shipping *SOLD*
- Farewell Stem Bag, new and never used – $55 + shipping
- Acorn Medium Saddle Bag, new and never used – $95 + shipping
- Small Fabio's Chest, lightly used, excellent condition – $230 + shipping

Venmo or PayPal FF preferred.

Thanks for looking!
Taylor

On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:37:30 PM UTC-4 Taylor M wrote:

> [image: Ron 2.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:36:28 PM UTC-4 Taylor M wrote:
>
>> [image: Ron 1.jpg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:35:57 PM UTC-4 Taylor M wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Swift.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:35:15 PM UTC-4 Taylor M wrote:
>>>
 [image: Acorn.jpg]

 On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:34:31 PM UTC-4 Taylor M wrote:

> [image: Wizard Works.jpg]
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:33:46 PM UTC-4 Taylor M wrote:
>
>> [image: Farewell.jpg]
>>
>> On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 9:33:11 PM UTC-4 Taylor M wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Makeshifter.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Patrick Moore]

+1, tho' I'll add, decent tires.

Anecdote: when I lived in Gallup, NM there was a local athlete standout,
Bob Rosebrough, a local lawyer and later mayor, who, besides being 6'4",
was tremendously fit. I heard a story from friends about how he entered his
first regional road race, riding his only bike at the time, a huge mountain
bike with flat bar and those energy-sapping knobbies prevalent back in the
very, very late '80s or very, very  early '90s.

The pack leaders were humming along and, all of a sudden, they heard this
buzzing sound getting closer and closer. It was Bob on his Cannondale or
whatever, slowly overtaking them. One looked at another and said, "Oh, no!"
(This is what I was told.) He went on to win the race.

Corrollary: My almost only race experience was to be roped into a very,
very amateur team for the 1991 Mount Taylor Quad, a bike + run + ski +
snowshoe and return race up Mount Taylor in Grants, NM. I did the bike leg
to fill in for a fallout, and 3 others did the other legs.

We 4 as a team were trying to beat Rosebrough doing the whole thing solo. I
forget if he or we won, but the question is not at all absurd.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 2:48 PM 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> ... I have come to understand, experientially and anecdotally, that once
> you are in an efficient position on a well-functioning bike, the bike is
> just not that important for non-sprinting speed.

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[RBW] Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Matthew Williams]

Sam Hillborne
60cm
1500
Austin, TX
https://austin.craigslist.org/bik/d/round-rock-rivendell-sam-hillborne-60cm/7467824389.html

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[RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Leah, I am not surprised that a fit young woman, such as you, could keep up 
with the more 'serious' riders on more 'serious' bikes. I have come to 
understand, experientially and anecdotally, that once you are in an 
efficient position on a well-functioning bike, the bike is just not that 
important for non-sprinting speed.

What does surprise me is your willingness to be the outlier, the 
non-conformist, to stretch yourself into an unfamiliar situation. That is 
true strength and speaks to your depth of character. Excellent, most 
excellent.

Joe 'be more like Leah' Ramey in GJT

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 8:10:18 AM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: 6982042D-DB05-4044-8AC4-9076A708539B.jpeg][image: 
> 0221807D-FECC-440C-AE2E-AF03DDB70770.jpeg]We moved to Michigan 4 months 
> ago. After years of being a Lone Wolf I did the unthinkable and joined the 
> local bike club. The club was founded by racers 50 (FIFTY!) years ago, but 
> they seemed welcoming enough. Having never ridden in a group, I lacked 
> knowledge of my pace and skill, did not knowif I’d enjoy club riding. I’ve 
> never been a road rider. The West has always offered me bike lanes and bike 
> paths - riding with cars going 55 mph seemed suicidal. Would it be 
> stressful? Would I be accepted? Would I be slow? My raspberry Platypus is 
> my lightest build. I don’t know how much it weighs, but it has a 
> lightweight Nitto rear rack, a Bag Boy Saddlesack (not pictured), and too 
> many things on the handlebars. Meet my club ride bike. 
>
> My Racing Platypus. 
>
> One of the board members took me under her wing. She invited her good 
> friend and organized a ride for the 3 of us. She taught me club etiquette 
> on the road. They rode carbon bikes with drop bars, but they did not 
> question my bike. It went great. Bolstered by that ride, I accepted her 
> invite to the first club ride of the season, provided we could ride in the 
> same group. “They’ll never believe it when you show up with that bike, 
> Leah, but you’re strong and you can definitely do club rides.” I have stars 
> in my eyes for this woman; she is admirable in every way. If she said I 
> could do it, I would try.
>
> I pulled into the park and it was carbon and drop bars as far as the eye 
> could see. A wave of nausea washed over me as I walked my Platypus to the 
> group huddle. Billie Bars on full display, Grant Safety triangle clasped 
> around my waist, looking like a true Lone Wolf, I stood in the circle. The 
> older members were very welcoming and found nice things to say about the 
> Racing Platypus. The younger racers…well, they ignored it. I’m just as 
> guilty; I find them terrifying, so I didn’t say hello, either. 
>
> My mentor put us in the 12-14 mph group. A good place to start. It proved 
> too easy and I coasted much of that 20 miles. We decided we’d do the 15-16 
> mph group next time. That day came and due to bad weather it was a small 
> turnout. We joined the slow group again because they would have only had 2 
> riders otherwise. We chose the route famous for its “rollers” (“What are 
> rollers?” the Platypus rider asked.) and conquered them in cold weather 
> with a headwind. The Racing Platypus, baptized on the mountains and hills 
> of Las Vegas, took no issue with those rollers. 
>
> The next night was the women’s ride - the first of the season. About 10 
> women, all experienced riders. Triathletes and marathoners, most. All on 
> drop bar carbon or aluminum. Wondering if they should create a slow and a 
> fast group, my mentor interrupted and said we’ll be one 15-16 mph group. 
> Leah can hang. 
>
> I hadn’t realized *I* was the reason they were considering a slow group, 
> but there it was.
>
> That was a challenging ride. Those women were fast. The route was 24 miles 
> and the wind was strong. I was able to stay in 2nd and 3rd position but I 
> was working to do it. I loved it; such fun to ride with bike people and to 
> let them plan the route. We passed by 4 lakes. We saw tons of wildlife. 
> Cars were nice to us and it felt safe to ride on roads with the group. I 
> got the “wow, a vintage bike” and “I’d like a cruiser bike, too” comments, 
> and one comment that assumed I must not be able to afford a carbon bike. 
> They don’t know how it’s possible not to be clipped in. They marveled at my 
> kickstand. But, I don’t mind because it’s so much fun to ride with them.
>
> Observations and Things I’m learning: 
> 1. Bike diversity is healthy. 
> It is good for racers to see Rivendells and similar style bikes in their 
> club rides. It is good for me to appreciate other kinds of bikes and other 
> riding styles. I can be as guilty as them for thinking my way/bike are best.
>
> 2. Bringing your practical, Just Ride mentality to a club is good. 
> It seems racer types don’t know about USING a bike. You cannot have your 
> carbon frame knocked about in a bike rack, so errands by bike/commuting 
> isn’t popular. I have been 

[RBW] Re: Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

It's funny, but that question didn't have me thinking one bike to last 
through old age, but one bike to deal with whatever apocalypses the future 
might bring. I definitely need to ride & chill out more.

For me it would be a steel frame mixte, that can fit 55mm tires, minimum 
50mm tires, but without the longer chain stays Riv now prefers.

I'm an urban dweller / rider and I need my bikes to fit in smaller rooms, 
easy to carry up & down stairwells, through narrower hallways, elevators, 
etc. If I lived in a house with a garage, chain stay length probably 
wouldn't be a problem. My MUSA Hunqapillar & MUSA AHH have smooth, stable 
rides, and while for me the longer chain stay lengths do make for a great, 
gliding ride, the longer chain stays are overkill, too long and a deal 
breaker.

And no, a Brompton is NOT a substitute for a Rivendell, although I guess it 
qualifies as a steel mixte?

John

On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 6:22:50 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: 1154624B-CA95-4486-9D2B-97EF158D1790.jpeg][image: 
> 3F33C3A3-4976-4724-8514-59BFF118CA62.jpeg]
>
> If you follow Rivendell on Instagram, they asked their followers a fun 
> question yesterday: 
>
> You get one bike for the rest of your life - what frame material, and what 
> style - mixte or normal? 
>
> Attached is a screenshot of Grant’s quote and Betsy Streeter’s art. 
>
> What a question! The frame material and style is easy - I love a Rivendell 
> steel mixte, but only one? In the end, my #1 is my raspberry Platypus, but 
> I’d cry real tears if parted from my Clem L or my shopping Platypus. Up 
> until 2020 I was a one bike gal, but I am really savoring having a trio of 
> bikes set up for different enjoyments. I chose the raspberry mixte as my 
> One Bike Forever because it’s the most beautiful, does whatever I want it 
> to, and has heaps of sentimental value. 
>
> What would be your One Bike Forever? Do you have that bike or is it a 
> dream bike? Do you have a photo?
> Leah
>
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[RBW] Re: Rack and Fenders for Clem L

[J Imler]

I have a 59 Clem L. I think the Shiny Rack would be ideal. Regarding 
fenders, the B65s are not too large whereas the P50s would be too small for 
the tire size the Clem can fit. I run my Clem fenderless. Enjoy the Clem!

On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 10:41:34 AM UTC-7 care...@gmail.com wrote:

> I just purchased a 59 cm Clem L from Crust Bikes. I’m deciding on a rack 
> and fenders. I’m down to the Shiny Rear Rack from Riv or the Nitto R14 from 
> Crust.  Any thoughts or suggestions?  I don’t need a heavy duty touring 
> rack but the Shiny looks a little more durable. Riv told me they would have 
> some soon.
>
>  
>
> The SKS P50 look like the right fender but I don’t want a mud flap. Are 
> they removeable?  Are the B65s too large?
>
>  
>
> I’m no mechanic so the easier the installation the better.
>
>  
>
> Carey Rogers
>
> Nashville
>
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Rack and Fenders for Clem L

[Joe Bernard]

The Riv rack will carry panniers if that matters to you. The R14 won't, 
plus it has that sticking-up-part at the front that will interfere with a 
saddlebag. The R51 Riv sells is a better bag support. 

Joe Bernard

On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 10:41:34 AM UTC-7 care...@gmail.com wrote:

> I just purchased a 59 cm Clem L from Crust Bikes. I’m deciding on a rack 
> and fenders. I’m down to the Shiny Rear Rack from Riv or the Nitto R14 from 
> Crust.  Any thoughts or suggestions?  I don’t need a heavy duty touring 
> rack but the Shiny looks a little more durable. Riv told me they would have 
> some soon.
>
>  
>
> The SKS P50 look like the right fender but I don’t want a mud flap. Are 
> they removeable?  Are the B65s too large?
>
>  
>
> I’m no mechanic so the easier the installation the better.
>
>  
>
> Carey Rogers
>
> Nashville
>
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Scott Calhoun]

Leah, 

Your successful foray club riding on a Platypus speaks to both your fitness 
and open mindedness . From your fun-to-read account, it looks like you are 
having a good two-way exchange of bicycle information with the club members.

Your experience got me thinking about all the times I've showed up for 
cycling events as the outsider because of my out-of-the-mainstream clothing 
or bicycle choices, and the times when I've been more conventional. I came 
into cycling 30ish years ago (gulp) in road racing (Bridgestone RB-1) and 
I've never lost my love for drop bar steel bikes. I did my first organized 
200k on a 1969 Lejuene French bike, and the organizers all took pictures of 
me with my bike at the end because they thought it was so novel. A few 
months ago, I did the El Tour Tucson century on my full-fendered MAP 
randonneur bike with my giant handlebar bag. I fell in with a fast group 
all on carbon and we finished in 5:30, but they all kept saying, "just 
think how fast you'd be on such-and-such a carbon bike" I was thinking to 
myself, "just think how comfortable you'd be on 650b x 42mm tires with only 
40psi!" Also, I stopped at an Italian deli and filled my front bag with 
Mozzarella on the way home. 

I'm all for everybody doing whatever is fun and comfortable in regards to 
their bike and equipment. If you find yourself wanting to do more and 
faster club rides, I expect you might want to at least experiment with a 
bike more like what the other club riders are on just to see what you might 
or might not be missing. I am part of a coffee drinking and fast cycling 
club and the group averages 17-20mph speeds on rides in the 40-60 mile 
range. For those rides, it is a lot easier (or possible) for me to stay 
with the group when I use the following:

1. Tight-fitting aero jersey (no flapping!). A sleek jersey can have more 
effect than wheels, tires, etc. It is also the cheapest way to gain speed 
through buying stuff.
2. Drop bars. For me, they are so much more comfortable when I'm riding at 
faster speeds. I can stretch out my back, get a little lower, change hand 
positions, and put more power through the pedals.
3. Closely spaced gears with handlebar controlled shifters. It's easier to 
stay together if you all have similar gaps in your gears and can make those 
changes quickly and frequently as needed.

I hope I didn't veer into mansplaining or take on a fatherly tone in my 
comments above. If you ever did decide you wanted to acquire something in 
the Riv family like a Roadeo, Ram, or maybe an RB-1, there would be many 
here who would happily enable such a quest. I'd be one of them. 

I am looking forward to hearing more about your next club-riding adventure. 



On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 9:51:19 AM UTC-7 upyou...@yahoo.com wrote:

> Leah,
> Keep having fun and making friends.  It's all part of the bike journey.  
> I once showed up to an elite duathlon (bike+run) with my hybrid flat bar 
> bike with a back rack.  I looked around at all the lycra kits and major 
> bikes and didn't really know any better at the time.  I thought that 
> because I could run and bike that I could do this.  Well, I was having a 
> good ole time out on the course doing my own thing...I was solo.  I 
> realized something was up when a car came up slowly behind me and asked if 
> I was doing OK.  Apparently, all the bikers were off the course and 
> finishing up the run.  I was still on the bike course, not in a pace line 
> and not riding fast.  By the time I completed the bike portion, the 
> participants were putting bikes on cars and eating pizzas.  I had to 
> disembark my bike and run the 2 mile course in front of everyone.  In the 
> end, I won 3rd place in my age group. (there were only 3 in my group) and 
> just did my own thing.  
> I've always had a back rack and trunk on my bike.  I rode in clubs but was 
> never taken seriously even when I was a strong rider.  The pack and race 
> mentality was very strong.  I couldn't keep up with the A or B riders but I 
> could do the long distances that they did easily.  It seems like there 
> wasn't a way to be in a club and do long distance but in a more casual pace 
> so in the end, Lone Wolf Cycling was more my game.  
> My suggestion is to just keep riding and trying new things and see how it 
> goes.  You might find just the right match for your riding, learn along the 
> way and educate others on upping their color dazzle game.  
> Kate-still riding with a back rack and trunk- in New Jersey
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 12:26:28 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Bill: APPROVE 
>>
>> On Apr 7, 2022, at 12:03 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> Speaking of riots of color:  My "Michigan Man" bike had boring black 
>> knobbies on it, that were skinnier than ideal.  I swapped the tires out 
>> last night for chubbier slicks in RED!!  I think Leah may approve of this 
>> color riot:
>>
>>
>> 

[RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Joe Bernard]

I concur that downshifting when approaching stops is helpful. On that bike 
with two chainrings the trick may be to ride almost as though it's a 
2-speed: dump to the small ring before stopping, then get a good spin going 
and go back to the big. 

Joe Bernard

On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 9:41:05 AM UTC-7 Ted Durant wrote:

>
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> ...Don’t count yourself out just because you ride a bike that is markedly 
>> different from the norm. Attached are photos from my last 2 club rides.  
>> Leah
>>
>
> Way to go, Leah! Your observation about shifting in advance is a keen one. 
> You'll find that helps even riding by yourself where there are stop signs 
> and lights.
>
> Riding with groups should be about being with people you enjoy, much more 
> than about the equipment. If you can ride in the group, stay close to (but 
> never overlap!) the wheel in front of you, stay in a straight line, and not 
> brake unnecessarily, it doesn't matter what you're riding. Another top tip 
> given to me early on was to watch the heads of other riders, not their 
> wheels.
>
> I'm afraid my experience with group rides over the last decade has come to 
> the point where I prefer to ride alone. Group riding seems to have become 
> all about testosterone tests, blowing through stop signs/lights, and 
> yelling at car drivers. Even Randonneurs on brevets seem to be heading that 
> direction. I'm really glad you've found a group that is welcoming. I hope 
> they continue to ride safely!
>
> Ted Durant
> Milwaukee, WI USA
>

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[RBW] Rack and Fenders for Clem L

[Careyr]

I just purchased a 59 cm Clem L from Crust Bikes. I'm deciding on a rack and
fenders. I'm down to the Shiny Rear Rack from Riv or the Nitto R14 from
Crust.  Any thoughts or suggestions?  I don't need a heavy duty touring rack
but the Shiny looks a little more durable. Riv told me they would have some
soon.

 

The SKS P50 look like the right fender but I don't want a mud flap. Are they
removeable?  Are the B65s too large?

 

I'm no mechanic so the easier the installation the better.

 

Carey Rogers

Nashville

 

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Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

['upyou...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Leah,
Keep having fun and making friends.  It's all part of the bike journey.  
I once showed up to an elite duathlon (bike+run) with my hybrid flat bar 
bike with a back rack.  I looked around at all the lycra kits and major 
bikes and didn't really know any better at the time.  I thought that 
because I could run and bike that I could do this.  Well, I was having a 
good ole time out on the course doing my own thing...I was solo.  I 
realized something was up when a car came up slowly behind me and asked if 
I was doing OK.  Apparently, all the bikers were off the course and 
finishing up the run.  I was still on the bike course, not in a pace line 
and not riding fast.  By the time I completed the bike portion, the 
participants were putting bikes on cars and eating pizzas.  I had to 
disembark my bike and run the 2 mile course in front of everyone.  In the 
end, I won 3rd place in my age group. (there were only 3 in my group) and 
just did my own thing.  
I've always had a back rack and trunk on my bike.  I rode in clubs but was 
never taken seriously even when I was a strong rider.  The pack and race 
mentality was very strong.  I couldn't keep up with the A or B riders but I 
could do the long distances that they did easily.  It seems like there 
wasn't a way to be in a club and do long distance but in a more casual pace 
so in the end, Lone Wolf Cycling was more my game.  
My suggestion is to just keep riding and trying new things and see how it 
goes.  You might find just the right match for your riding, learn along the 
way and educate others on upping their color dazzle game.  
Kate-still riding with a back rack and trunk- in New Jersey

On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 12:26:28 PM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Bill: APPROVE 
>
> On Apr 7, 2022, at 12:03 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Speaking of riots of color:  My "Michigan Man" bike had boring black 
> knobbies on it, that were skinnier than ideal.  I swapped the tires out 
> last night for chubbier slicks in RED!!  I think Leah may approve of this 
> color riot:
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/51988644588
>
> It's a krazy kandy kolored klown!
>
> Bill Lindsay
> Livonia MI
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 8:16:56 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Bill! I laughed out loud, and I could use a laugh today. Riots of color 
>> ARE my thing - is it that obvious?! And I’m impressed that you manage 
>> switching between Eastern time and Pacific so well. It’s not hurt your wit, 
>> that’s for sure.
>>
>> The poor carbon bikes might be really good at what they’re designed to 
>> do, but they are rather soul-less looking. I looked around at the bikes in 
>> attendance and thought, “I guess the best you can hope to do is to throw on 
>> some colorful plastic bottle cages or a colorful seat bag and call it 
>> pretty.
>>
>> Leah
>>
>> On Apr 7, 2022, at 8:19 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>>
>> Doug, I didn't mean it as a multiple choice.  I meant it as three 
>> embedded layers of "it ain't gonna happen".  
>>
>>
>> The *strongest* layer of "ain't gonna happen" in Leah's case is C.  
>>
>> A. 100:1 odds  Maybe 20 years from now all bikes are carbon.  She'd buy 
>> one if that was the only way
>> B. 10:1 odds  Maybe 30 years from now Specialized has patented "bicycle" 
>> and monopolizes the entire industry.  She'd buy one if that was the only way
>> C. 1,000,000:1 odds  Even if every bike in the world is a black carbon 
>> specialized, on her first ride she'd go buy a rattle can and get some color 
>> on that thing!
>>
>> BL in EC
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 5:02:19 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>>
>>> Bill,
>>> My answer to the multiple choices is all of the above!
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 7:52:51 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Eric Daume jokingly asked:  " how long until we see Leah on a black 
 carbon Diverge?"

 If we're taking bets, put my money on the "don't hold your breath" 
 box.  LOL!

 A.  I bet she won't ever ride carbon
 B.  If she ever rides carbon it won't be from Specialized
 C.  If she ever rides a carbon Specialized, it won't be black

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 7:35:44 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> So how long until we see Leah on a black carbon Diverge?
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> [image: 6982042D-DB05-4044-8AC4-9076A708539B.jpeg][image: 
>> 0221807D-FECC-440C-AE2E-AF03DDB70770.jpeg]We moved to Michigan 4 
>> months ago. After years of being a Lone Wolf I did the unthinkable and 
>> joined the local bike club. The club was founded by racers 50 (FIFTY!) 
>> years ago, but they seemed welcoming enough. Having never ridden in a 
>> group, I lacked knowledge of my pace and skill, did not knowif I’d enjoy 
>> club riding. I’ve never been a road rider. 

Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Leah Peterson]

Yoshi - now this is a reasonable change I *would* make. I don’t even know what 
tires I have on that bike right now - Teravail? I don’t know. I do have the 
Gravel King slicks on the Clem, though. I’ve never really known much about 
tires; I just told Analog what I was looking to do and they built me wheels and 
found me tires. I just don’t want flats. But, the Platys are both set up 
tubeless now, so maybe it would be ok to go with supple sidewall tires. 
Leah

> On Apr 7, 2022, at 11:43 AM, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
> 
> Hi Leah, 
> 
> I'm very excited and not surprised at all that you are able to hang with the 
> fast crowd.  Way to go!
> 
> I also doubt you will go carbon fiber, but I might not be surprised if you 
> ended up sporting some Rene Herse extra light tires in your pacelines.  
> 
> Supple sidewall tires make a surprising difference in speed and comfort. Rene 
> Herse extra light (EL) tires and Grand Bois EL tires are the ones I've used 
> most often (but pricey), and if you want more flat protection, then the 
> Panaracer Gravel King (see for example RF650B42-GK-D) are quite nice too 
> (someone on another thread used Gravel King SS).  I think there are other 
> Panaracer/SOMA tires in this price range that would also be worth considering.
> 
> Have fun!
> Toshi
> 
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[RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Ted Durant]

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 7:10:18 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> ...Don’t count yourself out just because you ride a bike that is markedly 
> different from the norm. Attached are photos from my last 2 club rides.  
> Leah
>

Way to go, Leah! Your observation about shifting in advance is a keen one. 
You'll find that helps even riding by yourself where there are stop signs 
and lights.

Riding with groups should be about being with people you enjoy, much more 
than about the equipment. If you can ride in the group, stay close to (but 
never overlap!) the wheel in front of you, stay in a straight line, and not 
brake unnecessarily, it doesn't matter what you're riding. Another top tip 
given to me early on was to watch the heads of other riders, not their 
wheels.

I'm afraid my experience with group rides over the last decade has come to 
the point where I prefer to ride alone. Group riding seems to have become 
all about testosterone tests, blowing through stop signs/lights, and 
yelling at car drivers. Even Randonneurs on brevets seem to be heading that 
direction. I'm really glad you've found a group that is welcoming. I hope 
they continue to ride safely!

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Leah Peterson]

Bill: APPROVE 

> On Apr 7, 2022, at 12:03 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> Speaking of riots of color:  My "Michigan Man" bike had boring black 
> knobbies on it, that were skinnier than ideal.  I swapped the tires out last 
> night for chubbier slicks in RED!!  I think Leah may approve of this color 
> riot:
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/51988644588
> 
> It's a krazy kandy kolored klown!
> 
> Bill Lindsay
> Livonia MI
> 
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 8:16:56 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Bill! I laughed out loud, and I could use a laugh today. Riots of color ARE 
>> my thing - is it that obvious?! And I’m impressed that you manage switching 
>> between Eastern time and Pacific so well. It’s not hurt your wit, that’s for 
>> sure.
>> 
>> The poor carbon bikes might be really good at what they’re designed to do, 
>> but they are rather soul-less looking. I looked around at the bikes in 
>> attendance and thought, “I guess the best you can hope to do is to throw on 
>> some colorful plastic bottle cages or a colorful seat bag and call it pretty.
>> 
>> Leah
>> 
 On Apr 7, 2022, at 8:19 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
 
>>> Doug, I didn't mean it as a multiple choice.  I meant it as three embedded 
>>> layers of "it ain't gonna happen".  
>> 
>>> 
>>> The strongest layer of "ain't gonna happen" in Leah's case is C.  
>>> 
>>> A. 100:1 odds  Maybe 20 years from now all bikes are carbon.  She'd buy one 
>>> if that was the only way
>>> B. 10:1 odds  Maybe 30 years from now Specialized has patented "bicycle" 
>>> and monopolizes the entire industry.  She'd buy one if that was the only way
>>> C. 1,000,000:1 odds  Even if every bike in the world is a black carbon 
>>> specialized, on her first ride she'd go buy a rattle can and get some color 
>>> on that thing!
>>> 
>>> BL in EC
 On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 5:02:19 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
 Bill,
 My answer to the multiple choices is all of the above!
 Doug
 
> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 7:52:51 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
> Eric Daume jokingly asked:  " how long until we see Leah on a black 
> carbon Diverge?"
> 
> If we're taking bets, put my money on the "don't hold your breath" box.  
> LOL!
> 
> A.  I bet she won't ever ride carbon
> B.  If she ever rides carbon it won't be from Specialized
> C.  If she ever rides a carbon Specialized, it won't be black
> 
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> 
>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 7:35:44 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>> So how long until we see Leah on a black carbon Diverge?
>> 
>> Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> We moved to Michigan 4 months ago. After years of being a Lone Wolf I 
>>> did the unthinkable and joined the local bike club. The club was 
>>> founded by racers 50 (FIFTY!) years ago, but they seemed welcoming 
>>> enough. Having never ridden in a group, I lacked knowledge of my pace 
>>> and skill, did not knowif I’d enjoy club riding. I’ve never been a road 
>>> rider. The West has always offered me bike lanes and bike paths - 
>>> riding with cars going 55 mph seemed suicidal. Would it be stressful? 
>>> Would I be accepted? Would I be slow? My raspberry Platypus is my 
>>> lightest build. I don’t know how much it weighs, but it has a 
>>> lightweight Nitto rear rack, a Bag Boy Saddlesack (not pictured), and 
>>> too many things on the handlebars. Meet my club ride bike. 
>>> 
>>> My Racing Platypus. 
>>> 
>>> One of the board members took me under her wing. She invited her good 
>>> friend and organized a ride for the 3 of us. She taught me club 
>>> etiquette on the road. They rode carbon bikes with drop bars, but they 
>>> did not question my bike. It went great. Bolstered by that ride, I 
>>> accepted her invite to the first club ride of the season, provided we 
>>> could ride in the same group. “They’ll never believe it when you show 
>>> up with that bike, Leah, but you’re strong and you can definitely do 
>>> club rides.” I have stars in my eyes for this woman; she is admirable 
>>> in every way. If she said I could do it, I would try.
>>> 
>>> I pulled into the park and it was carbon and drop bars as far as the 
>>> eye could see. A wave of nausea washed over me as I walked my Platypus 
>>> to the group huddle. Billie Bars on full display, Grant Safety triangle 
>>> clasped around my waist, looking like a true Lone Wolf, I stood in the 
>>> circle. The older members were very welcoming and found nice things to 
>>> say about the Racing Platypus. The younger racers…well, they ignored 
>>> it. I’m just as guilty; I find them terrifying, so I didn’t say hello, 
>>> either. 
>>> 
>>> My mentor put us in the 12-14 mph group. A good place to start. It 

[RBW] Re: Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?

[J S]

To reply to Bill who clarified what he believed Grant was saying I will 
update my reply.


Even though I replied already, if a member would have sold me their Yves 
Gomez that would have been the one. Steel mixte as steel is all I ride and 
a step through probably will be needed in the near future as I am now over 
70. But he did not like me and would not sell me his bike. Oh well. 
On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 8:10:48 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I think the point of Grant's question is missed by most responders in two 
> very important ways.  
>
> 1. It doesn't ask you to specify exactly the bike, just what material is 
> it, and what general frame shape is it?
> 2. For the rest of your life in this hypothetical means: when it breaks 
> you've got no bike, and when you can no longer get on it, you've got no bike
>
> From Grant's perspective, he's thinking a steel mixte is the logical 
> answer.
>
> If you say carbon, there's a risk it will stop being a bike before you 
> stop being a cyclist
> If you say it's a diamond frame with drop bars, there's a risk you'll stop 
> being able to ride it before you stop wanting to ride
>
> Remember Grant is approaching 70, and wants to live past 90 and wants to 
> go on a bike ride the day before he expires.  He genuinely thinks about 
> this.  He's proud that there will be thousands of Rivendells still being 
> used long after he's expired, but he also wants to see as many of us riding 
> well into our 90s as possible.  He's a sincere (length of life)X(quality of 
> life) guy also.  The fact is that there's a huge swath of people who aren't 
> fit or healthy, and another huge swath who think health and fitness are 
> something for people under 40, and when you age you surrender to falling 
> apart.  There's another huge swath who think health and fitness are 
> competitions.  I believe there are lots of cyclists who will drop cycling 
> altogether when they can no longer ride a drop-bar diamond frame bike.  
> There are a few that will keep riding in their 90s.  That's the thought 
> experiment this hypothetical is aimed at.  You are riding in your 90s, what 
> bike are you riding?  For me, if I had to wager on what kind of bike I'll 
> be riding into my 90s, a steel mixte is the obvious smart bet.  I don't own 
> a steel mixte today, but I'm sure I will someday.  I'll buy your 58cm Yves 
> Gomez.  
>
> I believe strongly that Titanium can have the longevity of steel, so a 
> Titanium Mixte would probably be pretty sweet, but those are hard to come 
> by.   
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 6:22:50 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 1154624B-CA95-4486-9D2B-97EF158D1790.jpeg][image: 
>> 3F33C3A3-4976-4724-8514-59BFF118CA62.jpeg]
>>
>> If you follow Rivendell on Instagram, they asked their followers a fun 
>> question yesterday: 
>>
>> You get one bike for the rest of your life - what frame material, and 
>> what style - mixte or normal? 
>>
>> Attached is a screenshot of Grant’s quote and Betsy Streeter’s art. 
>>
>> What a question! The frame material and style is easy - I love a 
>> Rivendell steel mixte, but only one? In the end, my #1 is my raspberry 
>> Platypus, but I’d cry real tears if parted from my Clem L or my shopping 
>> Platypus. Up until 2020 I was a one bike gal, but I am really savoring 
>> having a trio of bikes set up for different enjoyments. I chose the 
>> raspberry mixte as my One Bike Forever because it’s the most beautiful, 
>> does whatever I want it to, and has heaps of sentimental value. 
>>
>> What would be your One Bike Forever? Do you have that bike or is it a 
>> dream bike? Do you have a photo?
>> Leah
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Bill Lindsay]

Speaking of riots of color:  My "Michigan Man" bike had boring black 
knobbies on it, that were skinnier than ideal.  I swapped the tires out 
last night for chubbier slicks in RED!!  I think Leah may approve of this 
color riot:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/51988644588

It's a krazy kandy kolored klown!

Bill Lindsay
Livonia MI

On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 8:16:56 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Bill! I laughed out loud, and I could use a laugh today. Riots of color 
> ARE my thing - is it that obvious?! And I’m impressed that you manage 
> switching between Eastern time and Pacific so well. It’s not hurt your wit, 
> that’s for sure.
>
> The poor carbon bikes might be really good at what they’re designed to do, 
> but they are rather soul-less looking. I looked around at the bikes in 
> attendance and thought, “I guess the best you can hope to do is to throw on 
> some colorful plastic bottle cages or a colorful seat bag and call it 
> pretty.
>
> Leah
>
> On Apr 7, 2022, at 8:19 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
> Doug, I didn't mean it as a multiple choice.  I meant it as three 
> embedded layers of "it ain't gonna happen".  
>
>
> The *strongest* layer of "ain't gonna happen" in Leah's case is C.  
>
> A. 100:1 odds  Maybe 20 years from now all bikes are carbon.  She'd buy 
> one if that was the only way
> B. 10:1 odds  Maybe 30 years from now Specialized has patented "bicycle" 
> and monopolizes the entire industry.  She'd buy one if that was the only way
> C. 1,000,000:1 odds  Even if every bike in the world is a black carbon 
> specialized, on her first ride she'd go buy a rattle can and get some color 
> on that thing!
>
> BL in EC
> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 5:02:19 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>> My answer to the multiple choices is all of the above!
>> Doug
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 7:52:51 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Eric Daume jokingly asked:  " how long until we see Leah on a black 
>>> carbon Diverge?"
>>>
>>> If we're taking bets, put my money on the "don't hold your breath" box.  
>>> LOL!
>>>
>>> A.  I bet she won't ever ride carbon
>>> B.  If she ever rides carbon it won't be from Specialized
>>> C.  If she ever rides a carbon Specialized, it won't be black
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 7:35:44 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 So how long until we see Leah on a black carbon Diverge?

 Eric


 On Wednesday, April 6, 2022, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> [image: 6982042D-DB05-4044-8AC4-9076A708539B.jpeg][image: 
> 0221807D-FECC-440C-AE2E-AF03DDB70770.jpeg]We moved to Michigan 4 
> months ago. After years of being a Lone Wolf I did the unthinkable and 
> joined the local bike club. The club was founded by racers 50 (FIFTY!) 
> years ago, but they seemed welcoming enough. Having never ridden in a 
> group, I lacked knowledge of my pace and skill, did not knowif I’d enjoy 
> club riding. I’ve never been a road rider. The West has always offered me 
> bike lanes and bike paths - riding with cars going 55 mph seemed 
> suicidal. 
> Would it be stressful? Would I be accepted? Would I be slow? My raspberry 
> Platypus is my lightest build. I don’t know how much it weighs, but it 
> has 
> a lightweight Nitto rear rack, a Bag Boy Saddlesack (not pictured), and 
> too 
> many things on the handlebars. Meet my club ride bike. 
>
> My Racing Platypus. 
>
> One of the board members took me under her wing. She invited her good 
> friend and organized a ride for the 3 of us. She taught me club etiquette 
> on the road. They rode carbon bikes with drop bars, but they did not 
> question my bike. It went great. Bolstered by that ride, I accepted her 
> invite to the first club ride of the season, provided we could ride in 
> the 
> same group. “They’ll never believe it when you show up with that bike, 
> Leah, but you’re strong and you can definitely do club rides.” I have 
> stars 
> in my eyes for this woman; she is admirable in every way. If she said I 
> could do it, I would try.
>
> I pulled into the park and it was carbon and drop bars as far as the 
> eye could see. A wave of nausea washed over me as I walked my Platypus to 
> the group huddle. Billie Bars on full display, Grant Safety triangle 
> clasped around my waist, looking like a true Lone Wolf, I stood in the 
> circle. The older members were very welcoming and found nice things to 
> say 
> about the Racing Platypus. The younger racers…well, they ignored it. I’m 
> just as guilty; I find them terrifying, so I didn’t say hello, either. 
>
> My mentor put us in the 12-14 mph group. A good place to start. It 
> proved too easy and I coasted much of that 20 miles. We decided we’d do 
> the 
> 15-16 mph group next 

Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Mathieu Brown]

I agree with that, Toshi

I've ridden Carbon Fiber before (back in college) and it is light but not
that much different than a well set up Riv (in my experience)

MATHIEU BROWN



On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 10:43 AM Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:

> Hi Leah,
>
> I'm very excited and not surprised at all that you are able to hang with
> the fast crowd.  Way to go!
>
> I also doubt you will go carbon fiber, but I might not be surprised if you
> ended up sporting some Rene Herse extra light tires in your pacelines.
>
> Supple sidewall tires make a surprising difference in speed and comfort.
> Rene Herse extra light (EL) tires and Grand Bois EL tires are the ones I've
> used most often (but pricey), and if you want more flat protection, then
> the Panaracer Gravel King (see for example RF650B42-GK-D) are quite nice
> too (someone on another thread used Gravel King SS).  I think there are
> other Panaracer/SOMA tires in this price range that would also be worth
> considering.
>
> Have fun!
> Toshi
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Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Hi Leah,

I'm very excited and not surprised at all that you are able to hang with
the fast crowd.  Way to go!

I also doubt you will go carbon fiber, but I might not be surprised if you
ended up sporting some Rene Herse extra light tires in your pacelines.

Supple sidewall tires make a surprising difference in speed and comfort.
Rene Herse extra light (EL) tires and Grand Bois EL tires are the ones I've
used most often (but pricey), and if you want more flat protection, then
the Panaracer Gravel King (see for example RF650B42-GK-D) are quite nice
too (someone on another thread used Gravel King SS).  I think there are
other Panaracer/SOMA tires in this price range that would also be worth
considering.

Have fun!
Toshi

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Re: [RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Leah Peterson]

Kevin,

Their slow group was slow. I was glad to be in the faster class on the women’s 
ride. I kept pace, rode in 2nd and 3rd position, and it wasn’t effortless. I 
don’t think I will fall victim to the Lycra; I’m perfectly happy with the 
workout wear I find at Target - highly recommend their All In Motion brand, for 
anyone looking. 

As far as fitness, don’t give up. You can still be fit on a clunker!

I want to preserve my abilities and keep preventable disease at bay, so I take 
fitness pretty seriously. Group rides will really challenge me and probably 
increase my abilities. With my heavier bike and non-aero gear, I am probably 
gleaning better results than the rest of the group. I also lift weights, run 
and do core, because cycling alone is not great exercise. It’s too efficient. 

But no matter what, always enjoy your ride. 

> On Apr 6, 2022, at 3:37 PM, Kevin Reinking  wrote:
> 
> Well, their Slow group was probably pretty fast for you on the "upright" 
> Platypus!!
> My first thought is you'll quickly be tempted down the stretchy clothes path 
> if you continue to "hang" with them. Nothing wrong with that really, but it 
> is a different mentality.
> More Workout and Goals oriented; I gave up on that once I stopped racing.
> In fact that's what drove me back to Cruisers, Klunkers, Clementine's, etc. . 
> . . 
> Swinging a leg over a bike that's gonna seriously handicap you from keeping 
> up, really discourages you from doing so.
> With my current limitations, I'm just happy to go my pace, for as long as I 
> feel like going; making sure to enjoy myself.
> When I stopped working I thought it would be sweet to be able to ride 
> whenever I want, but I quickly found I still can't ride whenever I want and 
> riding to work gave me an excuse to ride more!
> If there's no place you GOTTA be, there's no sense in riding in the rain or 
> when it's 90+ degrees outside!!
> Just remember to Have Fun!!
> 
> 
>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:37:29 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Huh. I see the format on GG messed up the text on my last post. The missing 
>> text is:
>> 1. Exploring
>> 2. Shopping (A video.)
>> 3. Riding with your kid. Who has stolen your gloves.
>> 4. An old video from last year, when I still lived in the desert.
>> 
 On Apr 6, 2022, at 2:23 PM, Leah Peterson  wrote:
 
>>> 
>> 
>>> 30 Days of Biking is a challenge done every April. You can ride as far or 
>>> long as you like, but every ride counts, regardless. I’ve tried to be 
>>> creative with the ways I’m using my bike and I post it on the FB page under 
>>> a thread I made there. I’ll include some photos here of how I’m doing it.
>>> 
>>> 1. Exploring.  
>>> 
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[RBW] Re: Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[iamkeith]

This is fantastic!  As much as I find the bike/gear part interesting, I'm 
enjoying seeing how you've embraced your new community and endeavored to 
explore it and meet people.  An inspiration for someone with hermit 
tendancies like me.

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 10:10:18 AM UTC-4 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: 6982042D-DB05-4044-8AC4-9076A708539B.jpeg][image: 
> 0221807D-FECC-440C-AE2E-AF03DDB70770.jpeg]We moved to Michigan 4 months 
> ago. After years of being a Lone Wolf I did the unthinkable and joined the 
> local bike club. The club was founded by racers 50 (FIFTY!) years ago, but 
> they seemed welcoming enough. Having never ridden in a group, I lacked 
> knowledge of my pace and skill, did not knowif I’d enjoy club riding. I’ve 
> never been a road rider. The West has always offered me bike lanes and bike 
> paths - riding with cars going 55 mph seemed suicidal. Would it be 
> stressful? Would I be accepted? Would I be slow? My raspberry Platypus is 
> my lightest build. I don’t know how much it weighs, but it has a 
> lightweight Nitto rear rack, a Bag Boy Saddlesack (not pictured), and too 
> many things on the handlebars. Meet my club ride bike. 
>
> My Racing Platypus. 
>
> One of the board members took me under her wing. She invited her good 
> friend and organized a ride for the 3 of us. She taught me club etiquette 
> on the road. They rode carbon bikes with drop bars, but they did not 
> question my bike. It went great. Bolstered by that ride, I accepted her 
> invite to the first club ride of the season, provided we could ride in the 
> same group. “They’ll never believe it when you show up with that bike, 
> Leah, but you’re strong and you can definitely do club rides.” I have stars 
> in my eyes for this woman; she is admirable in every way. If she said I 
> could do it, I would try.
>
> I pulled into the park and it was carbon and drop bars as far as the eye 
> could see. A wave of nausea washed over me as I walked my Platypus to the 
> group huddle. Billie Bars on full display, Grant Safety triangle clasped 
> around my waist, looking like a true Lone Wolf, I stood in the circle. The 
> older members were very welcoming and found nice things to say about the 
> Racing Platypus. The younger racers…well, they ignored it. I’m just as 
> guilty; I find them terrifying, so I didn’t say hello, either. 
>
> My mentor put us in the 12-14 mph group. A good place to start. It proved 
> too easy and I coasted much of that 20 miles. We decided we’d do the 15-16 
> mph group next time. That day came and due to bad weather it was a small 
> turnout. We joined the slow group again because they would have only had 2 
> riders otherwise. We chose the route famous for its “rollers” (“What are 
> rollers?” the Platypus rider asked.) and conquered them in cold weather 
> with a headwind. The Racing Platypus, baptized on the mountains and hills 
> of Las Vegas, took no issue with those rollers. 
>
> The next night was the women’s ride - the first of the season. About 10 
> women, all experienced riders. Triathletes and marathoners, most. All on 
> drop bar carbon or aluminum. Wondering if they should create a slow and a 
> fast group, my mentor interrupted and said we’ll be one 15-16 mph group. 
> Leah can hang. 
>
> I hadn’t realized *I* was the reason they were considering a slow group, 
> but there it was.
>
> That was a challenging ride. Those women were fast. The route was 24 miles 
> and the wind was strong. I was able to stay in 2nd and 3rd position but I 
> was working to do it. I loved it; such fun to ride with bike people and to 
> let them plan the route. We passed by 4 lakes. We saw tons of wildlife. 
> Cars were nice to us and it felt safe to ride on roads with the group. I 
> got the “wow, a vintage bike” and “I’d like a cruiser bike, too” comments, 
> and one comment that assumed I must not be able to afford a carbon bike. 
> They don’t know how it’s possible not to be clipped in. They marveled at my 
> kickstand. But, I don’t mind because it’s so much fun to ride with them.
>
> Observations and Things I’m learning: 
> 1. Bike diversity is healthy. 
> It is good for racers to see Rivendells and similar style bikes in their 
> club rides. It is good for me to appreciate other kinds of bikes and other 
> riding styles. I can be as guilty as them for thinking my way/bike are best.
>
> 2. Bringing your practical, Just Ride mentality to a club is good. 
> It seems racer types don’t know about USING a bike. You cannot have your 
> carbon frame knocked about in a bike rack, so errands by bike/commuting 
> isn’t popular. I have been active on the club’s FB discussion page, and 
> been posting the 30 Days of Biking challenge. I’ve got pics of my huge 
> grocery hauls on my Shopping Platypus and the like. Surprisingly, they did 
> not know about this national challenge, and several of them are now joining 
> me, including my mentor!  Riding for pleasure and errands is a foreign 
> 

Re: [RBW] Digest for rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com - 5 updates in 2 topics

[J S]

Even though I replied already, if a member would have sold me their Yves
Gomez that would have been the one. Steel mixte as steel is all I ride and
a step through probably will be needed in the near future as I am now over
70. But he did not like me and would not sell me his bike. Oh well.

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> 
> Bill Lindsay : Apr 07 04:52AM -0700
>
> Eric Daume jokingly asked: " how long until we see Leah on a black carbon
> Diverge?"
>
> If we're taking bets, put my money on the "don't hold your breath" box.
> LOL!
>
> A. I bet she won't ever ride carbon
> B. If she ever rides carbon it won't be from Specialized
> C. If she ever rides a carbon Specialized, it won't be black
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 7:35:44 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>
> "Doug H." : Apr 07 05:02AM -0700
>
> Bill,
> My answer to the multiple choices is all of the above!
> Doug
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 7:52:51 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Bill Lindsay : Apr 07 05:18AM -0700
>
> Doug, I didn't mean it as a multiple choice. I meant it as three embedded
> layers of "it ain't gonna happen".
>
> The *strongest* layer of "ain't gonna happen" in Leah's case is C.
>
> A. 100:1 odds Maybe 20 years from now all bikes are carbon. She'd buy one
> if that was the only way
> B. 10:1 odds Maybe 30 years from now Specialized has patented "bicycle"
> and monopolizes the entire industry. She'd buy one if that was the only way
> C. 1,000,000:1 odds Even if every bike in the world is a black carbon
> specialized, on her first ride she'd go buy a rattle can and get some
> color
> on that thing!
>
> BL in EC
> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 5:02:19 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
> "Doug H." : Apr 07 08:22AM -0400
>
> I strongly concur! And that's why Leah is da bomb!
> Doug
>
> Back to top <#m_-5705662602038127145_digest_top>
> Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?
> 
> Bill Lindsay : Apr 07 05:10AM -0700
>
> I think the point of Grant's question is missed by most responders in two
> very important ways.
>
> 1. It doesn't ask you to specify exactly the bike, just what material is
> it, and what general frame shape is it?
> 2. For the rest of your life in this hypothetical means: when it breaks
> you've got no bike, and when you can no longer get on it, you've got no
> bike
>
> From Grant's perspective, he's thinking a steel mixte is the logical
> answer.
>
> If you say carbon, there's a risk it will stop being a bike before you
> stop
> being a cyclist
> If you say it's a diamond frame with drop bars, there's a risk you'll stop
> being able to ride it before you stop wanting to ride
>
> Remember Grant is approaching 70, and wants to live past 90 and wants to
> go
> on a bike ride the day before he expires. He genuinely thinks about this.
> He's proud that there will be thousands of Rivendells still being used
> long
> after he's expired, but he also wants to see as many of us riding well
> into
> our 90s as possible. He's a sincere (length of life)X(quality of life) guy
> also. The fact is that there's a huge swath of people who aren't fit or
> healthy, and another huge swath who think health and fitness are something
> for people under 40, and when you age you surrender to falling apart.
> There's another huge swath who think health and fitness are competitions.
> I believe there are lots of cyclists who will drop cycling altogether when
> they can no longer ride a drop-bar diamond frame bike. There are a few
> that will keep riding in their 90s. That's the thought experiment this
> hypothetical is aimed at. You are riding in your 90s, what bike are you
> riding? For me, if I had to wager on what kind of bike I'll be riding into
> my 90s, a steel mixte is the obvious smart bet. I don't own a steel mixte
> today, but I'm sure I will someday. I'll buy your 58cm Yves Gomez.
>
> I believe strongly that Titanium can have the longevity of steel, so a
> Titanium Mixte would probably be pretty sweet, but those are hard to come
> by.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 6:22:50 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle 

Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Leah Peterson]

Bill! I laughed out loud, and I could use a laugh today. Riots of color ARE my 
thing - is it that obvious?! And I’m impressed that you manage switching 
between Eastern time and Pacific so well. It’s not hurt your wit, that’s for 
sure.

The poor carbon bikes might be really good at what they’re designed to do, but 
they are rather soul-less looking. I looked around at the bikes in attendance 
and thought, “I guess the best you can hope to do is to throw on some colorful 
plastic bottle cages or a colorful seat bag and call it pretty.

Leah

> On Apr 7, 2022, at 8:19 AM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> 
> Doug, I didn't mean it as a multiple choice.  I meant it as three embedded 
> layers of "it ain't gonna happen".  
> 
> The strongest layer of "ain't gonna happen" in Leah's case is C.  
> 
> A. 100:1 odds  Maybe 20 years from now all bikes are carbon.  She'd buy one 
> if that was the only way
> B. 10:1 odds  Maybe 30 years from now Specialized has patented "bicycle" and 
> monopolizes the entire industry.  She'd buy one if that was the only way
> C. 1,000,000:1 odds  Even if every bike in the world is a black carbon 
> specialized, on her first ride she'd go buy a rattle can and get some color 
> on that thing!
> 
> BL in EC
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 5:02:19 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>> Bill,
>> My answer to the multiple choices is all of the above!
>> Doug
>> 
>>> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 7:52:51 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>> Eric Daume jokingly asked:  " how long until we see Leah on a black carbon 
>>> Diverge?"
>>> 
>>> If we're taking bets, put my money on the "don't hold your breath" box.  
>>> LOL!
>>> 
>>> A.  I bet she won't ever ride carbon
>>> B.  If she ever rides carbon it won't be from Specialized
>>> C.  If she ever rides a carbon Specialized, it won't be black
>>> 
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> 
 On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 7:35:44 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
 So how long until we see Leah on a black carbon Diverge?
 
 Eric
 
 
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>  wrote:
 
> We moved to Michigan 4 months ago. After years of being a Lone Wolf I did 
> the unthinkable and joined the local bike club. The club was founded by 
> racers 50 (FIFTY!) years ago, but they seemed welcoming enough. Having 
> never ridden in a group, I lacked knowledge of my pace and skill, did not 
> knowif I’d enjoy club riding. I’ve never been a road rider. The West has 
> always offered me bike lanes and bike paths - riding with cars going 55 
> mph seemed suicidal. Would it be stressful? Would I be accepted? Would I 
> be slow? My raspberry Platypus is my lightest build. I don’t know how 
> much it weighs, but it has a lightweight Nitto rear rack, a Bag Boy 
> Saddlesack (not pictured), and too many things on the handlebars. Meet my 
> club ride bike. 
> 
> My Racing Platypus. 
> 
> One of the board members took me under her wing. She invited her good 
> friend and organized a ride for the 3 of us. She taught me club etiquette 
> on the road. They rode carbon bikes with drop bars, but they did not 
> question my bike. It went great. Bolstered by that ride, I accepted her 
> invite to the first club ride of the season, provided we could ride in 
> the same group. “They’ll never believe it when you show up with that 
> bike, Leah, but you’re strong and you can definitely do club rides.” I 
> have stars in my eyes for this woman; she is admirable in every way. If 
> she said I could do it, I would try.
> 
> I pulled into the park and it was carbon and drop bars as far as the eye 
> could see. A wave of nausea washed over me as I walked my Platypus to the 
> group huddle. Billie Bars on full display, Grant Safety triangle clasped 
> around my waist, looking like a true Lone Wolf, I stood in the circle. 
> The older members were very welcoming and found nice things to say about 
> the Racing Platypus. The younger racers…well, they ignored it. I’m just 
> as guilty; I find them terrifying, so I didn’t say hello, either. 
> 
> My mentor put us in the 12-14 mph group. A good place to start. It proved 
> too easy and I coasted much of that 20 miles. We decided we’d do the 
> 15-16 mph group next time. That day came and due to bad weather it was a 
> small turnout. We joined the slow group again because they would have 
> only had 2 riders otherwise. We chose the route famous for its “rollers” 
> (“What are rollers?” the Platypus rider asked.) and conquered them in 
> cold weather with a headwind. The Racing Platypus, baptized on the 
> mountains and hills of Las Vegas, took no issue with those rollers. 
> 
> The next night was the women’s ride - the first of the season. About 10 
> women, all experienced riders. Triathletes and marathoners, most. All on 
> drop bar 

[RBW] Re: Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?

[aeroperf]

As Bill and George said.
My forever bike is a steel, double diamond frame with upright (non-drop) 
bars.  Since 1985 all my bikes have been of that design.
Specifically right now that need is filled by a 2014 Sam, but there have 
been others before, and may be others after.
When I can’t balance on two wheels any more, and if I still can ride, I’ll 
go to a recumbent trike.


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[RBW] Re: Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?

[George Schick]

Bill - yes, exactly.  There is another somewhat overlooked category that 
I'm seeing in use more and more frequently by elderly around my area - 
recumbents and trikes (and for the moment I'm ignoring those big, heavy 
three-wheelers like the kind that are in common use in places like South 
Florida).  I used to see a late middled age couple riding through the park 
behind my house on a pair of identical 'bents for many years.  Then, most 
recently, I saw the same couple on a pair of trikes - CatTrikes maybe, not 
sure.  When they came down the part of the path closest to my back yard I 
flagged 'em down and asked what happened to the 'bents.  The answer that I 
was afraid I was going to hear was that he'd had a stroke and could no 
longer trust himself to balance and ride a 'bent (not to mention a "normal" 
bike).  I hope this never happens to anyone frequenting this blog, but some 
things seem to be inevitable and at least there are other options out there.


On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 7:10:48 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I think the point of Grant's question is missed by most responders in two 
> very important ways.  
>
> 1. It doesn't ask you to specify exactly the bike, just what material is 
> it, and what general frame shape is it?
> 2. For the rest of your life in this hypothetical means: when it breaks 
> you've got no bike, and when you can no longer get on it, you've got no bike
>
> From Grant's perspective, he's thinking a steel mixte is the logical 
> answer.
>
> If you say carbon, there's a risk it will stop being a bike before you 
> stop being a cyclist
> If you say it's a diamond frame with drop bars, there's a risk you'll stop 
> being able to ride it before you stop wanting to ride
>
> Remember Grant is approaching 70, and wants to live past 90 and wants to 
> go on a bike ride the day before he expires.  He genuinely thinks about 
> this.  He's proud that there will be thousands of Rivendells still being 
> used long after he's expired, but he also wants to see as many of us riding 
> well into our 90s as possible.  He's a sincere (length of life)X(quality of 
> life) guy also.  The fact is that there's a huge swath of people who aren't 
> fit or healthy, and another huge swath who think health and fitness are 
> something for people under 40, and when you age you surrender to falling 
> apart.  There's another huge swath who think health and fitness are 
> competitions.  I believe there are lots of cyclists who will drop cycling 
> altogether when they can no longer ride a drop-bar diamond frame bike.  
> There are a few that will keep riding in their 90s.  That's the thought 
> experiment this hypothetical is aimed at.  You are riding in your 90s, what 
> bike are you riding?  For me, if I had to wager on what kind of bike I'll 
> be riding into my 90s, a steel mixte is the obvious smart bet.  I don't own 
> a steel mixte today, but I'm sure I will someday.  I'll buy your 58cm Yves 
> Gomez.  
>
> I believe strongly that Titanium can have the longevity of steel, so a 
> Titanium Mixte would probably be pretty sweet, but those are hard to come 
> by.   
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 6:22:50 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 1154624B-CA95-4486-9D2B-97EF158D1790.jpeg][image: 
>> 3F33C3A3-4976-4724-8514-59BFF118CA62.jpeg]
>>
>> If you follow Rivendell on Instagram, they asked their followers a fun 
>> question yesterday: 
>>
>> You get one bike for the rest of your life - what frame material, and 
>> what style - mixte or normal? 
>>
>> Attached is a screenshot of Grant’s quote and Betsy Streeter’s art. 
>>
>> What a question! The frame material and style is easy - I love a 
>> Rivendell steel mixte, but only one? In the end, my #1 is my raspberry 
>> Platypus, but I’d cry real tears if parted from my Clem L or my shopping 
>> Platypus. Up until 2020 I was a one bike gal, but I am really savoring 
>> having a trio of bikes set up for different enjoyments. I chose the 
>> raspberry mixte as my One Bike Forever because it’s the most beautiful, 
>> does whatever I want it to, and has heaps of sentimental value. 
>>
>> What would be your One Bike Forever? Do you have that bike or is it a 
>> dream bike? Do you have a photo?
>> Leah
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Doug H.]

I strongly concur! And that's why Leah is da bomb!
Doug

On Thu, Apr 7, 2022 at 8:19 AM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Doug, I didn't mean it as a multiple choice.  I meant it as three embedded
> layers of "it ain't gonna happen".
>
> The *strongest* layer of "ain't gonna happen" in Leah's case is C.
>
> A. 100:1 odds  Maybe 20 years from now all bikes are carbon.  She'd buy
> one if that was the only way
> B. 10:1 odds  Maybe 30 years from now Specialized has patented "bicycle"
> and monopolizes the entire industry.  She'd buy one if that was the only way
> C. 1,000,000:1 odds  Even if every bike in the world is a black carbon
> specialized, on her first ride she'd go buy a rattle can and get some color
> on that thing!
>
> BL in EC
> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 5:02:19 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:
>
>> Bill,
>> My answer to the multiple choices is all of the above!
>> Doug
>>
>> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 7:52:51 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Eric Daume jokingly asked:  " how long until we see Leah on a black
>>> carbon Diverge?"
>>>
>>> If we're taking bets, put my money on the "don't hold your breath" box.
>>> LOL!
>>>
>>> A.  I bet she won't ever ride carbon
>>> B.  If she ever rides carbon it won't be from Specialized
>>> C.  If she ever rides a carbon Specialized, it won't be black
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 7:35:44 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 So how long until we see Leah on a black carbon Diverge?

 Eric


 On Wednesday, April 6, 2022, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> [image: 6982042D-DB05-4044-8AC4-9076A708539B.jpeg][image:
> 0221807D-FECC-440C-AE2E-AF03DDB70770.jpeg]We moved to Michigan 4
> months ago. After years of being a Lone Wolf I did the unthinkable and
> joined the local bike club. The club was founded by racers 50 (FIFTY!)
> years ago, but they seemed welcoming enough. Having never ridden in a
> group, I lacked knowledge of my pace and skill, did not knowif I’d enjoy
> club riding. I’ve never been a road rider. The West has always offered me
> bike lanes and bike paths - riding with cars going 55 mph seemed suicidal.
> Would it be stressful? Would I be accepted? Would I be slow? My raspberry
> Platypus is my lightest build. I don’t know how much it weighs, but it has
> a lightweight Nitto rear rack, a Bag Boy Saddlesack (not pictured), and 
> too
> many things on the handlebars. Meet my club ride bike.
>
> My Racing Platypus. 
>
> One of the board members took me under her wing. She invited her good
> friend and organized a ride for the 3 of us. She taught me club etiquette
> on the road. They rode carbon bikes with drop bars, but they did not
> question my bike. It went great. Bolstered by that ride, I accepted her
> invite to the first club ride of the season, provided we could ride in the
> same group. “They’ll never believe it when you show up with that bike,
> Leah, but you’re strong and you can definitely do club rides.” I have 
> stars
> in my eyes for this woman; she is admirable in every way. If she said I
> could do it, I would try.
>
> I pulled into the park and it was carbon and drop bars as far as the
> eye could see. A wave of nausea washed over me as I walked my Platypus to
> the group huddle. Billie Bars on full display, Grant Safety triangle
> clasped around my waist, looking like a true Lone Wolf, I stood in the
> circle. The older members were very welcoming and found nice things to say
> about the Racing Platypus. The younger racers…well, they ignored it. I’m
> just as guilty; I find them terrifying, so I didn’t say hello, either.
>
> My mentor put us in the 12-14 mph group. A good place to start. It
> proved too easy and I coasted much of that 20 miles. We decided we’d do 
> the
> 15-16 mph group next time. That day came and due to bad weather it was a
> small turnout. We joined the slow group again because they would have only
> had 2 riders otherwise. We chose the route famous for its “rollers” (“What
> are rollers?” the Platypus rider asked.) and conquered them in cold 
> weather
> with a headwind. The Racing Platypus, baptized on the mountains and hills
> of Las Vegas, took no issue with those rollers.
>
> The next night was the women’s ride - the first of the season. About
> 10 women, all experienced riders. Triathletes and marathoners, most. All 
> on
> drop bar carbon or aluminum. Wondering if they should create a slow and a
> fast group, my mentor interrupted and said we’ll be one 15-16 mph group.
> Leah can hang.
>
> I hadn’t realized *I* was the reason they were considering a slow
> group, but there it was.
>
> That was a challenging ride. Those women were fast. The route was 24
> miles and the wind was strong. I 

Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Bill Lindsay]

Doug, I didn't mean it as a multiple choice.  I meant it as three embedded 
layers of "it ain't gonna happen".  

The *strongest* layer of "ain't gonna happen" in Leah's case is C.  

A. 100:1 odds  Maybe 20 years from now all bikes are carbon.  She'd buy one 
if that was the only way
B. 10:1 odds  Maybe 30 years from now Specialized has patented "bicycle" 
and monopolizes the entire industry.  She'd buy one if that was the only way
C. 1,000,000:1 odds  Even if every bike in the world is a black carbon 
specialized, on her first ride she'd go buy a rattle can and get some color 
on that thing!

BL in EC
On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 5:02:19 AM UTC-7 Doug H. wrote:

> Bill,
> My answer to the multiple choices is all of the above!
> Doug
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 7:52:51 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Eric Daume jokingly asked:  " how long until we see Leah on a black 
>> carbon Diverge?"
>>
>> If we're taking bets, put my money on the "don't hold your breath" box.  
>> LOL!
>>
>> A.  I bet she won't ever ride carbon
>> B.  If she ever rides carbon it won't be from Specialized
>> C.  If she ever rides a carbon Specialized, it won't be black
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 7:35:44 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> So how long until we see Leah on a black carbon Diverge?
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 [image: 6982042D-DB05-4044-8AC4-9076A708539B.jpeg][image: 
 0221807D-FECC-440C-AE2E-AF03DDB70770.jpeg]We moved to Michigan 4 
 months ago. After years of being a Lone Wolf I did the unthinkable and 
 joined the local bike club. The club was founded by racers 50 (FIFTY!) 
 years ago, but they seemed welcoming enough. Having never ridden in a 
 group, I lacked knowledge of my pace and skill, did not knowif I’d enjoy 
 club riding. I’ve never been a road rider. The West has always offered me 
 bike lanes and bike paths - riding with cars going 55 mph seemed suicidal. 
 Would it be stressful? Would I be accepted? Would I be slow? My raspberry 
 Platypus is my lightest build. I don’t know how much it weighs, but it has 
 a lightweight Nitto rear rack, a Bag Boy Saddlesack (not pictured), and 
 too 
 many things on the handlebars. Meet my club ride bike. 

 My Racing Platypus. 

 One of the board members took me under her wing. She invited her good 
 friend and organized a ride for the 3 of us. She taught me club etiquette 
 on the road. They rode carbon bikes with drop bars, but they did not 
 question my bike. It went great. Bolstered by that ride, I accepted her 
 invite to the first club ride of the season, provided we could ride in the 
 same group. “They’ll never believe it when you show up with that bike, 
 Leah, but you’re strong and you can definitely do club rides.” I have 
 stars 
 in my eyes for this woman; she is admirable in every way. If she said I 
 could do it, I would try.

 I pulled into the park and it was carbon and drop bars as far as the 
 eye could see. A wave of nausea washed over me as I walked my Platypus to 
 the group huddle. Billie Bars on full display, Grant Safety triangle 
 clasped around my waist, looking like a true Lone Wolf, I stood in the 
 circle. The older members were very welcoming and found nice things to say 
 about the Racing Platypus. The younger racers…well, they ignored it. I’m 
 just as guilty; I find them terrifying, so I didn’t say hello, either. 

 My mentor put us in the 12-14 mph group. A good place to start. It 
 proved too easy and I coasted much of that 20 miles. We decided we’d do 
 the 
 15-16 mph group next time. That day came and due to bad weather it was a 
 small turnout. We joined the slow group again because they would have only 
 had 2 riders otherwise. We chose the route famous for its “rollers” (“What 
 are rollers?” the Platypus rider asked.) and conquered them in cold 
 weather 
 with a headwind. The Racing Platypus, baptized on the mountains and hills 
 of Las Vegas, took no issue with those rollers. 

 The next night was the women’s ride - the first of the season. About 10 
 women, all experienced riders. Triathletes and marathoners, most. All on 
 drop bar carbon or aluminum. Wondering if they should create a slow and a 
 fast group, my mentor interrupted and said we’ll be one 15-16 mph group. 
 Leah can hang. 

 I hadn’t realized *I* was the reason they were considering a slow 
 group, but there it was.

 That was a challenging ride. Those women were fast. The route was 24 
 miles and the wind was strong. I was able to stay in 2nd and 3rd position 
 but I was working to do it. I loved it; such fun to ride with bike people 
 and to let them plan the route. We passed by 4 

[RBW] Re: Riv asks: One bike forever, which one?

[Bill Lindsay]

I think the point of Grant's question is missed by most responders in two 
very important ways.  

1. It doesn't ask you to specify exactly the bike, just what material is 
it, and what general frame shape is it?
2. For the rest of your life in this hypothetical means: when it breaks 
you've got no bike, and when you can no longer get on it, you've got no bike

>From Grant's perspective, he's thinking a steel mixte is the logical answer.

If you say carbon, there's a risk it will stop being a bike before you stop 
being a cyclist
If you say it's a diamond frame with drop bars, there's a risk you'll stop 
being able to ride it before you stop wanting to ride

Remember Grant is approaching 70, and wants to live past 90 and wants to go 
on a bike ride the day before he expires.  He genuinely thinks about this.  
He's proud that there will be thousands of Rivendells still being used long 
after he's expired, but he also wants to see as many of us riding well into 
our 90s as possible.  He's a sincere (length of life)X(quality of life) guy 
also.  The fact is that there's a huge swath of people who aren't fit or 
healthy, and another huge swath who think health and fitness are something 
for people under 40, and when you age you surrender to falling apart.  
There's another huge swath who think health and fitness are competitions.  
I believe there are lots of cyclists who will drop cycling altogether when 
they can no longer ride a drop-bar diamond frame bike.  There are a few 
that will keep riding in their 90s.  That's the thought experiment this 
hypothetical is aimed at.  You are riding in your 90s, what bike are you 
riding?  For me, if I had to wager on what kind of bike I'll be riding into 
my 90s, a steel mixte is the obvious smart bet.  I don't own a steel mixte 
today, but I'm sure I will someday.  I'll buy your 58cm Yves Gomez.  

I believe strongly that Titanium can have the longevity of steel, so a 
Titanium Mixte would probably be pretty sweet, but those are hard to come 
by.   

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Saturday, April 2, 2022 at 6:22:50 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> [image: 1154624B-CA95-4486-9D2B-97EF158D1790.jpeg][image: 
> 3F33C3A3-4976-4724-8514-59BFF118CA62.jpeg]
>
> If you follow Rivendell on Instagram, they asked their followers a fun 
> question yesterday: 
>
> You get one bike for the rest of your life - what frame material, and what 
> style - mixte or normal? 
>
> Attached is a screenshot of Grant’s quote and Betsy Streeter’s art. 
>
> What a question! The frame material and style is easy - I love a Rivendell 
> steel mixte, but only one? In the end, my #1 is my raspberry Platypus, but 
> I’d cry real tears if parted from my Clem L or my shopping Platypus. Up 
> until 2020 I was a one bike gal, but I am really savoring having a trio of 
> bikes set up for different enjoyments. I chose the raspberry mixte as my 
> One Bike Forever because it’s the most beautiful, does whatever I want it 
> to, and has heaps of sentimental value. 
>
> What would be your One Bike Forever? Do you have that bike or is it a 
> dream bike? Do you have a photo?
> Leah
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Doug H.]

Bill,
My answer to the multiple choices is all of the above!
Doug

On Thursday, April 7, 2022 at 7:52:51 AM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Eric Daume jokingly asked:  " how long until we see Leah on a black carbon 
> Diverge?"
>
> If we're taking bets, put my money on the "don't hold your breath" box.  
> LOL!
>
> A.  I bet she won't ever ride carbon
> B.  If she ever rides carbon it won't be from Specialized
> C.  If she ever rides a carbon Specialized, it won't be black
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 7:35:44 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> So how long until we see Leah on a black carbon Diverge?
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [image: 6982042D-DB05-4044-8AC4-9076A708539B.jpeg][image: 
>>> 0221807D-FECC-440C-AE2E-AF03DDB70770.jpeg]We moved to Michigan 4 months 
>>> ago. After years of being a Lone Wolf I did the unthinkable and joined the 
>>> local bike club. The club was founded by racers 50 (FIFTY!) years ago, but 
>>> they seemed welcoming enough. Having never ridden in a group, I lacked 
>>> knowledge of my pace and skill, did not knowif I’d enjoy club riding. I’ve 
>>> never been a road rider. The West has always offered me bike lanes and bike 
>>> paths - riding with cars going 55 mph seemed suicidal. Would it be 
>>> stressful? Would I be accepted? Would I be slow? My raspberry Platypus is 
>>> my lightest build. I don’t know how much it weighs, but it has a 
>>> lightweight Nitto rear rack, a Bag Boy Saddlesack (not pictured), and too 
>>> many things on the handlebars. Meet my club ride bike. 
>>>
>>> My Racing Platypus. 
>>>
>>> One of the board members took me under her wing. She invited her good 
>>> friend and organized a ride for the 3 of us. She taught me club etiquette 
>>> on the road. They rode carbon bikes with drop bars, but they did not 
>>> question my bike. It went great. Bolstered by that ride, I accepted her 
>>> invite to the first club ride of the season, provided we could ride in the 
>>> same group. “They’ll never believe it when you show up with that bike, 
>>> Leah, but you’re strong and you can definitely do club rides.” I have stars 
>>> in my eyes for this woman; she is admirable in every way. If she said I 
>>> could do it, I would try.
>>>
>>> I pulled into the park and it was carbon and drop bars as far as the eye 
>>> could see. A wave of nausea washed over me as I walked my Platypus to the 
>>> group huddle. Billie Bars on full display, Grant Safety triangle clasped 
>>> around my waist, looking like a true Lone Wolf, I stood in the circle. The 
>>> older members were very welcoming and found nice things to say about the 
>>> Racing Platypus. The younger racers…well, they ignored it. I’m just as 
>>> guilty; I find them terrifying, so I didn’t say hello, either. 
>>>
>>> My mentor put us in the 12-14 mph group. A good place to start. It 
>>> proved too easy and I coasted much of that 20 miles. We decided we’d do the 
>>> 15-16 mph group next time. That day came and due to bad weather it was a 
>>> small turnout. We joined the slow group again because they would have only 
>>> had 2 riders otherwise. We chose the route famous for its “rollers” (“What 
>>> are rollers?” the Platypus rider asked.) and conquered them in cold weather 
>>> with a headwind. The Racing Platypus, baptized on the mountains and hills 
>>> of Las Vegas, took no issue with those rollers. 
>>>
>>> The next night was the women’s ride - the first of the season. About 10 
>>> women, all experienced riders. Triathletes and marathoners, most. All on 
>>> drop bar carbon or aluminum. Wondering if they should create a slow and a 
>>> fast group, my mentor interrupted and said we’ll be one 15-16 mph group. 
>>> Leah can hang. 
>>>
>>> I hadn’t realized *I* was the reason they were considering a slow group, 
>>> but there it was.
>>>
>>> That was a challenging ride. Those women were fast. The route was 24 
>>> miles and the wind was strong. I was able to stay in 2nd and 3rd position 
>>> but I was working to do it. I loved it; such fun to ride with bike people 
>>> and to let them plan the route. We passed by 4 lakes. We saw tons of 
>>> wildlife. Cars were nice to us and it felt safe to ride on roads with the 
>>> group. I got the “wow, a vintage bike” and “I’d like a cruiser bike, too” 
>>> comments, and one comment that assumed I must not be able to afford a 
>>> carbon bike. They don’t know how it’s possible not to be clipped in. They 
>>> marveled at my kickstand. But, I don’t mind because it’s so much fun to 
>>> ride with them.
>>>
>>> Observations and Things I’m learning: 
>>> 1. Bike diversity is healthy. 
>>> It is good for racers to see Rivendells and similar style bikes in their 
>>> club rides. It is good for me to appreciate other kinds of bikes and other 
>>> riding styles. I can be as guilty as them for thinking my way/bike are best.
>>>
>>> 2. Bringing your practical, 

Re: [RBW] Club Rides On A Racing Platypus

[Bill Lindsay]

Eric Daume jokingly asked:  " how long until we see Leah on a black carbon 
Diverge?"

If we're taking bets, put my money on the "don't hold your breath" box.  
LOL!

A.  I bet she won't ever ride carbon
B.  If she ever rides carbon it won't be from Specialized
C.  If she ever rides a carbon Specialized, it won't be black

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 7:35:44 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> So how long until we see Leah on a black carbon Diverge?
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2022, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 6982042D-DB05-4044-8AC4-9076A708539B.jpeg][image: 
>> 0221807D-FECC-440C-AE2E-AF03DDB70770.jpeg]We moved to Michigan 4 months 
>> ago. After years of being a Lone Wolf I did the unthinkable and joined the 
>> local bike club. The club was founded by racers 50 (FIFTY!) years ago, but 
>> they seemed welcoming enough. Having never ridden in a group, I lacked 
>> knowledge of my pace and skill, did not knowif I’d enjoy club riding. I’ve 
>> never been a road rider. The West has always offered me bike lanes and bike 
>> paths - riding with cars going 55 mph seemed suicidal. Would it be 
>> stressful? Would I be accepted? Would I be slow? My raspberry Platypus is 
>> my lightest build. I don’t know how much it weighs, but it has a 
>> lightweight Nitto rear rack, a Bag Boy Saddlesack (not pictured), and too 
>> many things on the handlebars. Meet my club ride bike. 
>>
>> My Racing Platypus. 
>>
>> One of the board members took me under her wing. She invited her good 
>> friend and organized a ride for the 3 of us. She taught me club etiquette 
>> on the road. They rode carbon bikes with drop bars, but they did not 
>> question my bike. It went great. Bolstered by that ride, I accepted her 
>> invite to the first club ride of the season, provided we could ride in the 
>> same group. “They’ll never believe it when you show up with that bike, 
>> Leah, but you’re strong and you can definitely do club rides.” I have stars 
>> in my eyes for this woman; she is admirable in every way. If she said I 
>> could do it, I would try.
>>
>> I pulled into the park and it was carbon and drop bars as far as the eye 
>> could see. A wave of nausea washed over me as I walked my Platypus to the 
>> group huddle. Billie Bars on full display, Grant Safety triangle clasped 
>> around my waist, looking like a true Lone Wolf, I stood in the circle. The 
>> older members were very welcoming and found nice things to say about the 
>> Racing Platypus. The younger racers…well, they ignored it. I’m just as 
>> guilty; I find them terrifying, so I didn’t say hello, either. 
>>
>> My mentor put us in the 12-14 mph group. A good place to start. It proved 
>> too easy and I coasted much of that 20 miles. We decided we’d do the 15-16 
>> mph group next time. That day came and due to bad weather it was a small 
>> turnout. We joined the slow group again because they would have only had 2 
>> riders otherwise. We chose the route famous for its “rollers” (“What are 
>> rollers?” the Platypus rider asked.) and conquered them in cold weather 
>> with a headwind. The Racing Platypus, baptized on the mountains and hills 
>> of Las Vegas, took no issue with those rollers. 
>>
>> The next night was the women’s ride - the first of the season. About 10 
>> women, all experienced riders. Triathletes and marathoners, most. All on 
>> drop bar carbon or aluminum. Wondering if they should create a slow and a 
>> fast group, my mentor interrupted and said we’ll be one 15-16 mph group. 
>> Leah can hang. 
>>
>> I hadn’t realized *I* was the reason they were considering a slow group, 
>> but there it was.
>>
>> That was a challenging ride. Those women were fast. The route was 24 
>> miles and the wind was strong. I was able to stay in 2nd and 3rd position 
>> but I was working to do it. I loved it; such fun to ride with bike people 
>> and to let them plan the route. We passed by 4 lakes. We saw tons of 
>> wildlife. Cars were nice to us and it felt safe to ride on roads with the 
>> group. I got the “wow, a vintage bike” and “I’d like a cruiser bike, too” 
>> comments, and one comment that assumed I must not be able to afford a 
>> carbon bike. They don’t know how it’s possible not to be clipped in. They 
>> marveled at my kickstand. But, I don’t mind because it’s so much fun to 
>> ride with them.
>>
>> Observations and Things I’m learning: 
>> 1. Bike diversity is healthy. 
>> It is good for racers to see Rivendells and similar style bikes in their 
>> club rides. It is good for me to appreciate other kinds of bikes and other 
>> riding styles. I can be as guilty as them for thinking my way/bike are best.
>>
>> 2. Bringing your practical, Just Ride mentality to a club is good. 
>> It seems racer types don’t know about USING a bike. You cannot have your 
>> carbon frame knocked about in a bike rack, so errands by bike/commuting 
>> isn’t popular. I have been active on the club’s FB discussion