Re: [RBW] WTB: Old XT hubset and Ritchey Logic MTB crankset

[Eric Karnes]

And Ritchey crank arms procured. Thanks to Steven and Eric for their help!

Eric

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 9:11:31 PM UTC-4 Eric Karnes wrote:

> Hubs procured. I know it's a long shot, but anyone with at Ritchey Logic 
> Crankset they are looking to get rid of?
>
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 8:00:03 PM UTC-4 Eric Karnes wrote:
>
>> If both are 32h, then sold! Send me a PM with PayPal info and I'll send 
>> you payment. Thanks!
>>
>> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:31:41 PM UTC-4 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>
>>> Eric, I have this XT 750 hub, I bought it used and haven’t done anything 
>>> with  it. Also have a new XT 737 front hub, $40 shipped for the rear, $60 
>>> shipped for both.The front hub is in a sealed bag with a qr, the rear does 
>>> not have a qr, both are 32 H. 
>>> Steve
>>> On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 6:11 PM Eric Karnes  wrote:
>>>
 For a project I’m contemplating on my Hilsen, anyone have…

 (1) Single or set of XT hubs. Would prefer 32h, 8sp (m737) or newer so 
 that I can use them with some existing rims and 10sp drivetrain parts.

 (2) A vintage Ritchey Logic MTB crankset (with or w/o chainrings). Open 
 on length.

 PM me if you have anything. Thanks! Eric

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jim 7-Speed Cassettes

[Jim Bronson]

The earlier version of the Alivio 4000 was rated for 36 and it worked quite
well.  I still have it lying around the garage somewhere.  It just doesn't
fit my shiny silver aesthetic.

On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 6:55 PM TP H  wrote:

> Scott, the capacity math works out but it looks like the specs for that
> rear derailer list a max sprocket of 34t (
> https://bike.shimano.com/en-EU/product/component/alivio-t4000/RD-T4000.html).
> It may still work outright (specs are conservative) but, if not, one of the
> links/tabs (e.g., WolfTooth road or goat link) to drop the derailer down
> will likely make it all work out.
>
> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 11:02:14 AM UTC-7 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> Was hoping for some advice... on my Sam, I'm interested in the Jim 7s
>> 13-42, with a 40 x 24 upfront, and Silver shifters in friction. The big
>> question I have is rear derailer choice, would the Shimano Alivio T4000
>> make sense? it's rated as a 9-speed with a total capacity of 45T.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Scott
>>
>> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 1:03:09 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Nerding-out on gearing:
>>>
>>> The % changes on the S-ride 13-34 are 14%, 18%, 15%, 13%, 15%, 19%.
>>> maximum delta % in lower 6 is 5% (13% to 18%)
>>>
>>> The % changes on the Shimano 13-34 are 14%, 13%, 16%, 18%, 19%, 16%.
>>> maximum delta % in lower 6 is 6% (13% to 19%)
>>>
>>> I thing the S ride is better, but this is much ado about nothing.
>>> I personally think the biggest jump should always be on the biggest
>>> (lowest) gear as is the case with the Riv S-ride. I don't need two bailout
>>> gears.
>>>
>>> I still ride freewheels on some bikes - My Rivendell sourced Shimano 7
>>> speed freewheel on my 1x Riv commuter is 14-16-18-20-22-24-34 for 13%, 12%,
>>> 11%, 10%, 9%, 34%. -maximum delta % in lower 6 is 4% (9% to 13%) I think
>>> this about ideal, could have maybe substituted a 25 for the 24, but again -
>>> much ado about nothing.
>>>
>>> My NOS Suntour Winner 7 is 12-14-16-18-21-24-30 for 15%, 13%, 12%, 15%,
>>> 13%, 22%. maximum delta % in lower 6 is 3% (12% to 15%), It is going on my
>>> Bombadil with a triple crank.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 9:17:20 AM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:
>>>
 I agree with Garth about the poor gear progressions on the 13-34 Jim.
  The Shimano HG-50-K 13-134 is
 13-15-17-20-24-29-34
 which IMHO is much better, it avoids the 15-18 problem and has
 2-3-4-5-5 spacing above 15 vs the Jim's  3-3-3-4-6 spacing.   I used the
 HG-50-K on my 88 Voyageur and gives very good spacing.   IRD also sold the
 same copy of a HG-50-K for about $30 2 years ago.  I do not see it in the
 IRD store now.  Maybe they changed suppliers.

 The 13-42 is also poor do to the 13-16 jump leaving NO 2 step drop for
 the high gears.  My 1975 Shimano 14-32 5 speed had a 14-17 jump and was
 always frustrating on level terrain finding a good high cog.  The 13-15
 solves that.

 In all, why does anyone want to go from 9 speed to 7 speed???   I can
 see them saying here is a supply of 7 speed for folks with 126 OLD rears,
 but if you have a 130 OLD rear just use the 9 speeds out there.  They have
 better progression.

 I think RBW is pitching folks a lemon with these as saying convert from
 9 to 7 speeds.

 John Hawrylak
 Woodstown NJ
 On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 7:30:36 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> I had some bit of hope that these would use an consistent gear
> progression of 15-17-20-24 on the 13-34, but no . S-Works does the
> overly big 15-18 jump along with the 18-21-24 which is unnecessarily 
> close.
> I often wonder of anyone who designs these actually rides it. IRD does 
> some
> weird cog progression with some of their offerings as well.
> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 5:00:50 PM UTC-4 hinton...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> In 2022, pretty cool to see 7-speed cassettes sell out in less than
>> 12 hours. But, if you missed out, this is a PSA that Soma has them in 
>> stock
>> still, though they don’t include the spacers like Riv did.
>>
>> 13-34:
>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/590906-s-ride-cassette-7sp-13-34t-cs-m200-6765?category=735
>>
>> 13-42:
>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/590907-s-ride-cassette-7sp-13-42t-cs-e500-6766?category=735
>>
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[RBW] Re: WTB + WTT: Parts for Susie (WTB Pure V Saddle, Nitto R14/Shiny Rear Rack)

[Ray Varella]

Crust has them in stock. 

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 8:25:52 AM UTC-7 duh...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey gang,
>
> Trying to sort out the last bits for my incoming Susie.
>
> Looking to trade a Nitto R14 (w/ tombstone) for a Shiny Rear Rack.
>
> Also looking to purchase a WTB Pure V Saddle, preferably the classic all 
> black version.
>
> Please respond off list, thanks!
>
> Jared
>
>
>

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[RBW] WTB: 700c silver wheelset

[Mike K.]

Looking for a 700c wheelset, all silver preferred, 32 or 36h, 130mm rear, 
that can fit 35 or 38mm tires.

I have a Schwinn Cross Cut I'm updating and the wheels are shot.

I'd like to keep it under $300 including shipping to the Chicago area if 
possible.

Thanks!
Mike

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[RBW] Re: FS: 700c Mavic/XTR road wheelset

[Mike K.]

So sad to have missed out on these. If anyone else has a decent set of 700c 
wheels, I need a set for my Cross Cut.

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:25:08 PM UTC-5 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> There's a few folks who've reached out. If they all pass on the wheels 
> I'll give an update but I don't want anyone else to get their hopes up at 
> the point. Thanks everyone!
>
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:07:10 AM UTC-7 Ryan wrote:
>
>> What a deal! if I was in the market and shipping/duty x-rate to Canada 
>> wasn't so bloody expensive , I'd be all over these. MA40 rims are excellent 
>> as are those sweet XTR hubs. I doubt you'll have a problem getting rid of 
>> these at $200
>>
>> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 11:22:44 AM UTC-5 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I was saving these for a future build but alas I have changed my mind 
>>> once again! They are Mavic MA 40 32 hole rims laced to some nice vintage 
>>> XTR hubs. I think the hubs are M900 but I could be wrong. The rear is 130mm 
>>> and it is nearly silent (a feature I love!). It is currently rocking a 10sp 
>>> 12-30 cassette.  The quick release skewers are mix matched. Comes with 
>>> Panaracer Pasela 700x35 tires that seem to have a decent amount of life 
>>> left. Tubes are good too. The wheels were nice and true when I pulled them 
>>> off the bike they were on. I'm asking $200 + shipping from Los Angeles.
>>>
>>> More photos here:
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/GJ4vqJhSZQqT8EF26
>>>
>>> [image: _MM_5737.jpg][image: _MM_5738.jpg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] FS: Saddlebag and backpacks

[Joe Mullins]

Yikes we're going to have to renegotiate our terms! Or perhaps I will do 
the same for any items you might be selling and we can even it out...


On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 4:03:26 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> You can send the 33% kickback to this address via Paypal.
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 4:35 PM Joe Mullins  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Patrick you're a great spokes person! I need you to comment on all 
>> my sale to help sell them and give you a commission!
>>
>> David, someone else reached out about the Junior but you are next in line 
>> if they pass.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 1:29:23 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I forgot to add that, if you don't need to carry clothes on your 
>>> commute, just lunch, small laptop (13"), repair kit, perhaps the jacket you 
>>> wore inbound, and small sundries, the Junior is a perfect size.
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Jim 7-Speed Cassettes

[Doug H.]

Nine speed seems to hit the sweet spot for me on my Clem with the double 
chainrings. Although,  I imagine any rider could adapt to 5 or more rear 
sprockets.
Doug

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 7:55:37 PM UTC-4 hinton...@gmail.com wrote:

> Scott, the capacity math works out but it looks like the specs for that 
> rear derailer list a max sprocket of 34t (
> https://bike.shimano.com/en-EU/product/component/alivio-t4000/RD-T4000.html). 
>  
> It may still work outright (specs are conservative) but, if not, one of the 
> links/tabs (e.g., WolfTooth road or goat link) to drop the derailer down 
> will likely make it all work out.
>
> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 11:02:14 AM UTC-7 greenteadrinkers wrote:
>
>> Was hoping for some advice... on my Sam, I'm interested in the Jim 7s 
>> 13-42, with a 40 x 24 upfront, and Silver shifters in friction. The big 
>> question I have is rear derailer choice, would the Shimano Alivio T4000 
>> make sense? it's rated as a 9-speed with a total capacity of 45T.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Scott
>>
>> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 1:03:09 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>>
>>> Nerding-out on gearing:
>>>
>>> The % changes on the S-ride 13-34 are 14%, 18%, 15%, 13%, 15%, 19%. 
>>> maximum delta % in lower 6 is 5% (13% to 18%)
>>>
>>> The % changes on the Shimano 13-34 are 14%, 13%, 16%, 18%, 19%, 16%. 
>>> maximum delta % in lower 6 is 6% (13% to 19%)
>>>
>>> I thing the S ride is better, but this is much ado about nothing. 
>>> I personally think the biggest jump should always be on the biggest 
>>> (lowest) gear as is the case with the Riv S-ride. I don't need two bailout 
>>> gears.
>>>
>>> I still ride freewheels on some bikes - My Rivendell sourced Shimano 7 
>>> speed freewheel on my 1x Riv commuter is 14-16-18-20-22-24-34 for 13%, 12%, 
>>> 11%, 10%, 9%, 34%. -maximum delta % in lower 6 is 4% (9% to 13%) I think 
>>> this about ideal, could have maybe substituted a 25 for the 24, but again - 
>>> much ado about nothing.
>>>
>>> My NOS Suntour Winner 7 is 12-14-16-18-21-24-30 for 15%, 13%, 12%, 15%, 
>>> 13%, 22%. maximum delta % in lower 6 is 3% (12% to 15%), It is going on my 
>>> Bombadil with a triple crank.
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 9:17:20 AM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:
>>>
 I agree with Garth about the poor gear progressions on the 13-34 Jim.  
  The Shimano HG-50-K 13-134 is
 13-15-17-20-24-29-34
 which IMHO is much better, it avoids the 15-18 problem and has 
 2-3-4-5-5 spacing above 15 vs the Jim's  3-3-3-4-6 spacing.   I used the 
 HG-50-K on my 88 Voyageur and gives very good spacing.   IRD also sold the 
 same copy of a HG-50-K for about $30 2 years ago.  I do not see it in the 
 IRD store now.  Maybe they changed suppliers.

 The 13-42 is also poor do to the 13-16 jump leaving NO 2 step drop for 
 the high gears.  My 1975 Shimano 14-32 5 speed had a 14-17 jump and was 
 always frustrating on level terrain finding a good high cog.  The 13-15 
 solves that.

 In all, why does anyone want to go from 9 speed to 7 speed???   I can 
 see them saying here is a supply of 7 speed for folks with 126 OLD rears, 
 but if you have a 130 OLD rear just use the 9 speeds out there.  They have 
 better progression.

 I think RBW is pitching folks a lemon with these as saying convert from 
 9 to 7 speeds.

 John Hawrylak
 Woodstown NJ
 On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 7:30:36 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:

> I had some bit of hope that these would use an consistent gear 
> progression of 15-17-20-24 on the 13-34, but no . S-Works does the 
> overly big 15-18 jump along with the 18-21-24 which is unnecessarily 
> close. 
> I often wonder of anyone who designs these actually rides it. IRD does 
> some 
> weird cog progression with some of their offerings as well. 
> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 5:00:50 PM UTC-4 hinton...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> In 2022, pretty cool to see 7-speed cassettes sell out in less than 
>> 12 hours. But, if you missed out, this is a PSA that Soma has them in 
>> stock 
>> still, though they don’t include the spacers like Riv did.
>>
>> 13-34: 
>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/590906-s-ride-cassette-7sp-13-34t-cs-m200-6765?category=735
>>
>> 13-42: 
>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/590907-s-ride-cassette-7sp-13-42t-cs-e500-6766?category=735
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: DIY Support Rack for Large Saddlesack

[Michael Ullmer]

It's connected to a Stokemonkey e-assist unit. I have to say, 5 years of 
use on this thing (and it was used when I got it) and it's been amazing. I 
wouldn't be able to leave my neighborhood without it.

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 11:53:54 AM UTC-7 steve wrote:

> Michael,
> What is the left side chain powering on that bike?
>
> Steve
>
> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 12:46:52 PM UTC-4 Michael Ullmer wrote:
>
>> I recently picked up a Large Saddlesack off the list (thanks Captain 
>> Conway!) and needed a rear support rack for it. I had cut up some older 
>> racks to harvest the struts and make my own "Pec Dec" inspired by Ron of 
>> Rons Bikes. This one uses two sets of struts that are nano strapped to the 
>> bottom leather panel on the bag. It provides more than enough support and 
>> was much cheaper than an R10. 
>>
>> On another note, I've been through numerous saddlebags since the last 
>> time I owned a large saddlesack circa 2014 and I have to say, its still the 
>> best user-friendly saddlebag I've ever used. This is the first bike that 
>> I've used one on that has a kickstand, so loading/unloading is a bit 
>> simpler than in the past. But still, kudos to Riv for coming up with this 
>> design, it's a pleasure to use.
>>
>> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/huREAJPVuTATfpsb8
>>
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[RBW] Re: Jim 7-Speed Cassettes

[TP H]

Scott, the capacity math works out but it looks like the specs for that 
rear derailer list a max sprocket of 34t 
(https://bike.shimano.com/en-EU/product/component/alivio-t4000/RD-T4000.html).  
It may still work outright (specs are conservative) but, if not, one of the 
links/tabs (e.g., WolfTooth road or goat link) to drop the derailer down 
will likely make it all work out.

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 11:02:14 AM UTC-7 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> Was hoping for some advice... on my Sam, I'm interested in the Jim 7s 
> 13-42, with a 40 x 24 upfront, and Silver shifters in friction. The big 
> question I have is rear derailer choice, would the Shimano Alivio T4000 
> make sense? it's rated as a 9-speed with a total capacity of 45T.
>
> Thanks,
> Scott
>
> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 1:03:09 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:
>
>> Nerding-out on gearing:
>>
>> The % changes on the S-ride 13-34 are 14%, 18%, 15%, 13%, 15%, 19%. 
>> maximum delta % in lower 6 is 5% (13% to 18%)
>>
>> The % changes on the Shimano 13-34 are 14%, 13%, 16%, 18%, 19%, 16%. 
>> maximum delta % in lower 6 is 6% (13% to 19%)
>>
>> I thing the S ride is better, but this is much ado about nothing. 
>> I personally think the biggest jump should always be on the biggest 
>> (lowest) gear as is the case with the Riv S-ride. I don't need two bailout 
>> gears.
>>
>> I still ride freewheels on some bikes - My Rivendell sourced Shimano 7 
>> speed freewheel on my 1x Riv commuter is 14-16-18-20-22-24-34 for 13%, 12%, 
>> 11%, 10%, 9%, 34%. -maximum delta % in lower 6 is 4% (9% to 13%) I think 
>> this about ideal, could have maybe substituted a 25 for the 24, but again - 
>> much ado about nothing.
>>
>> My NOS Suntour Winner 7 is 12-14-16-18-21-24-30 for 15%, 13%, 12%, 15%, 
>> 13%, 22%. maximum delta % in lower 6 is 3% (12% to 15%), It is going on my 
>> Bombadil with a triple crank.
>>
>> Laing
>>
>> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 9:17:20 AM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with Garth about the poor gear progressions on the 13-34 Jim.  
>>>  The Shimano HG-50-K 13-134 is
>>> 13-15-17-20-24-29-34
>>> which IMHO is much better, it avoids the 15-18 problem and has 2-3-4-5-5 
>>> spacing above 15 vs the Jim's  3-3-3-4-6 spacing.   I used the HG-50-K on 
>>> my 88 Voyageur and gives very good spacing.   IRD also sold the same copy 
>>> of a HG-50-K for about $30 2 years ago.  I do not see it in the IRD store 
>>> now.  Maybe they changed suppliers.
>>>
>>> The 13-42 is also poor do to the 13-16 jump leaving NO 2 step drop for 
>>> the high gears.  My 1975 Shimano 14-32 5 speed had a 14-17 jump and was 
>>> always frustrating on level terrain finding a good high cog.  The 13-15 
>>> solves that.
>>>
>>> In all, why does anyone want to go from 9 speed to 7 speed???   I can 
>>> see them saying here is a supply of 7 speed for folks with 126 OLD rears, 
>>> but if you have a 130 OLD rear just use the 9 speeds out there.  They have 
>>> better progression.
>>>
>>> I think RBW is pitching folks a lemon with these as saying convert from 
>>> 9 to 7 speeds.
>>>
>>> John Hawrylak
>>> Woodstown NJ
>>> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 7:30:36 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>>
 I had some bit of hope that these would use an consistent gear 
 progression of 15-17-20-24 on the 13-34, but no . S-Works does the 
 overly big 15-18 jump along with the 18-21-24 which is unnecessarily 
 close. 
 I often wonder of anyone who designs these actually rides it. IRD does 
 some 
 weird cog progression with some of their offerings as well. 
 On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 5:00:50 PM UTC-4 hinton...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> In 2022, pretty cool to see 7-speed cassettes sell out in less than 12 
> hours. But, if you missed out, this is a PSA that Soma has them in stock 
> still, though they don’t include the spacers like Riv did.
>
> 13-34: 
> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/590906-s-ride-cassette-7sp-13-34t-cs-m200-6765?category=735
>
> 13-42: 
> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/590907-s-ride-cassette-7sp-13-42t-cs-e500-6766?category=735
>


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Re: [RBW] Re: A Quiet Ride and Thoughts of Bicycle Commuting

[MoVelo]

Thank you kind sir. I'm sure the grey lady won't mi$$ it and besides you'll 
have helped enlighten one more soul once I give it a read. How can you feel 
guilty for that?

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 2:53:38 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Oh, all sorts of publications do that, and it's becoming more common, I 
> think.
>
> I used to be able to read the NYT for free by cleansing my cache after 
> each session online, but now it's pay/read only.
>
> I feel guilty about depriving a big media company of a buck or two, but so 
> what. I've attached the article as a PDF.
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 1:12 PM MoVelo  wrote:
>
>> Too  bad they feel they have to put their articles behind a paywall. Who 
>> does that anymore?
>>
>> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:05:47 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I know that I am pushing the boundaries of this thread to the breaking 
>>> point, but I also think that these tangents are fully sympathetic to the 
>>> general sense of this list in general and to Grant's own predilections in 
>>> particular. This current NYT article makes intelligent observations on the 
>>> debilitating effects of substituting technology for reality.
>>>
>>> At any rate, FWIW. Caveat: I find very many things to disagree with in 
>>> Ms. Tish Hamilton Warren's opinions, but OTOH, it is quite obvious that she 
>>> (a) is truly sincere and (b) has given these matters a great deal of 
>>> intelligent thought and (c) is a caring and sympathetic and, by God, an 
>>> *intelligent!* human individual.
>>>
>>> Her OpEd piece last week is also worth hunting up and reading.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/01/opinion/loneliness-connectedness-technology.html
>>>
>>> On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 3:35 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 I'd like to understand better what you mean by this. I agree that, in 
 general, many improvements so-called to everyday life have been 
 technologies that do things for you and therefore remove agency and the 
 resulting pleasure; remove agency except the very basic, almost pre-human 
 agencies of adding inputs without having to think about results; and by 
 technologies I mean administrative systems as well as machines. Almost 3 
 decades ago a friend on a modestly successful upward career path as a 
 commercial loan officer at a regional bank left after the bank was bought 
 by a much bigger bank that had rationalized everything and put into place 
 their program of using statistical analysis to reduce loan decisions to a 
 checklist instead of what he found fulfilling: getting to know people and 
 sizing up their circumstances and character, and forecasting outcomes 
 based 
 on this judgment.

 And 20 years ago, when I was married to a pediatrician, the big 
 hospitals (here in flyover ABQ, NM) had been more and more making 
 diagnosis 
 and treatment a matter of following rationalized, statistically tested, 
 general checklists, with other checklists to measure "productivity." She 
 is 
 now in 1-woman private practice, and good for her.

 Is this what you mean?

 It's funny and sad that more and more -- not only hard, dirty, 
 dangerous physical labor, but human thought and creativity has been 
 replaced by rationalized systems evaluated statistically, so that even 
 some 
 previously professional work has been reduced to hewing wood and drawing 
 water, metaphorically speaking: plugging in inputs. This started of course 
 with manufacturing.

 I agree that the same trend seems to be taking over cycling, with the 
 difference that the ultimate agency in cycling is still the person that 
 pedals. Still, I too like friction, when I don't use the primitive 
 indexing 
 on Sturmey Archer hubs, or give it all up altogether for fixed drivetrains 
 -- because of agency.

 I do not by any means consider Matthew Crawford a sage, but he's an 
 intelligent and well educated man who has actually thought through this 
 sort of thing and expressed his conclusions with surprising clarity for 
 someone trained as an academic, this in *Shop Class as Soul Craft* and 
 *The 
 World Beyond Your Head.* Both books assert generally that real-life 
 confrontation and engagement with real things, notably in the manual 
 trades*, are much more conducive to virtue** than coding software or even 
 -- the clientele I write for -- managing the strategies and general 
 direction and design of business systems, be these entire corporations or 
 business units or product portfolios or global IT systems using 
 statistical 
 methods and working to meet the quarterly numbers. Yes, doing otherwise 
 does indeed put a limit on practical size.

 Crawford worked as a journeyman electrician, and owns a business 
 restoring classic motorcycles.

 * Hands-on trades: plumbing, auto 

[RBW] Craigslist (and others) Bikes For Sale: 3

[Matthew Williams]

Clem Smith H
59cm
1200
Chicago, IL
https://www.ebay.com/itm/304470023651


Rambouillet
(contact seller for size)
603
New Hampshire
https://nh.craigslist.org/bik/d/rindge-rivendell-rambouillet-randonneur/7478359535.html


Romulus (with cantis!)
57cm
1500
Seattle, WA
https://seattle.craigslist.org/see/bik/d/seattle-rivendell-romulus-57cm/7478039515.html

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Re: [RBW] FS: Saddlebag and backpacks

[Patrick Moore]

You can send the 33% kickback to this address via Paypal.

On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 4:35 PM Joe Mullins  wrote:

> Thanks Patrick you're a great spokes person! I need you to comment on all
> my sale to help sell them and give you a commission!
>
> David, someone else reached out about the Junior but you are next in line
> if they pass.
>
> Joe
>
> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 1:29:23 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I forgot to add that, if you don't need to carry clothes on your commute,
>> just lunch, small laptop (13"), repair kit, perhaps the jacket you wore
>> inbound, and small sundries, the Junior is a perfect size.
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Saddlebag and backpacks

[Joe Mullins]

Carradice bag sold. The backpacks are still available.

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 3:35:45 PM UTC-7 Joe Mullins wrote:

> Thanks Patrick you're a great spokes person! I need you to comment on all 
> my sale to help sell them and give you a commission!
>
> David, someone else reached out about the Junior but you are next in line 
> if they pass.
>
> Joe
>
> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 1:29:23 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I forgot to add that, if you don't need to carry clothes on your commute, 
>> just lunch, small laptop (13"), repair kit, perhaps the jacket you wore 
>> inbound, and small sundries, the Junior is a perfect size.
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] FS: Saddlebag and backpacks

[Joe Mullins]

Thanks Patrick you're a great spokes person! I need you to comment on all 
my sale to help sell them and give you a commission!

David, someone else reached out about the Junior but you are next in line 
if they pass.

Joe

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 1:29:23 PM UTC-7 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I forgot to add that, if you don't need to carry clothes on your commute, 
> just lunch, small laptop (13"), repair kit, perhaps the jacket you wore 
> inbound, and small sundries, the Junior is a perfect size.
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

[Johnny Alien]

I have mini-V brakes on mine and don't feel the brakes are spongy at all. 
It felt much more solid than my bikes with canti brakes.  I can't imagine 
that long reach side pulls feel more solid than ANY canti or V brake setup. 

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 12:35:00 PM UTC-4 Pancake wrote:

> Jason, I bet the long arm v-brakes are a big improvement; Paul components 
> only maximizing that difference, but I'm sure the T610 or Alivio v-brake 
> arms would work a charm with any linear / long pull levers. 
> I used Jagwire "pro compressionless" housing which gives that firm feeling 
> on my other bikes, but not on the charles with the short pull mini-v's.
>
> If I find myself with more time to wrench than to ride I'll swap on the 
> Albatross bars with some standard v-brakes / levers and let everyone know; 
> but I'm sure it will be nearly as nice as your Paul setup as far as firm 
> stopping and feel. 
>
> As is, I have VERY firm stopping power but the feel is ... squishy at the 
> lever. But more than enough power at the brakes to make the tires skid and 
> quickly. 
>
> On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 09:20:13 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I don't find my rear V-brake to be all that spongy to be honest. Maybe 
>> it's the Paul lever and arms - but more likely it's just about good brake 
>> housing. Full length housing is always squishier, of course, but I don't 
>> see how putting caliper brakes on solves the problem - just reducing 
>> braking power to reduce housing compression?? Not to mention adding MORE 
>> overall flex through flexier brake arms.. 
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 9:13 AM Eric Daume  wrote:
>>
>>> Mini V brakes seem like a lost middle ground IMO. Either use V brakes 
>>> with long pull levers, or cantis with short pull levers. 
>>>
>>> Either one of these option would be far better than long reach caliper 
>>> brakes, which are too flexy for good braking.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 2, 2022, Pancake  wrote:
>>>
>> I want canti posts because I want v-brakes on this bike. The reference in 
 a prior email or blagh or somewhere by Riv said something like, 'they left 
 to spongy or squishy or something' ... and they're right. At least on my 
 57cm prototype. 

 I tried the Shimano BR-R353 with 90mm long arms ... way too soft a feel 
 at the brake levers (using TRP RRL brakes). Needed to setup the pads less 
 than 2mm from the rim on each side which leaves no room for less than true 
 rims. And the brake levers pull all the way to the handlebar ... though 
 they brake plenty hard and strong way before that point. The braking is 
 nearly too easy (tremendous mechanical advantage) but feels easy or soft 
 as 
 you pull. 

 Switching to an 84mm arm Tektro brake helped but not dramatically, just 
 noticeably. 

 Switching to 82mm Litepro arms helped enough that I'll stay with this 
 setup, but it's still a bit soft. And there not much of any room left for 
 the brake cable to clear the 50mm knobbie tires I have on now (Schwalbe 
 G-One Allround). 

 I'm used to v-brakes feeling pretty solid as you pull the lever, that's 
 how my Rosco baby bike and nearly every other v-braked bike I've owned 
 operated. Solid pressure at the fingers as you pull and hit a point where 
 you can't pull more (and the brake pads were engaged fully long before 
 that 
 pull point regardless). 

 I bet a 75mm brake arm v-brake and a 38mm tire would work with the 
 pressure and pull feel I expect, but that's not an option as far as I know 
 (or want).

 *Ultimately I'll probably do what Jason did and switch to upright bars 
 and linear pull long arm v-brakes. Right now I have swapped some levers 
 and 
 a stem on my Albatross bars (mounted upside down so they drop a bit like 
 the Albastash (which the protocharlie arrived with) and I expect that 
 (plus 
 some MX70 brake arms) would leave me with the expected brake feel. I'm on 
 the lookout for 60mm wide, 25.4mm clamp diameter Tosco bars to try instead 
 *(I 
 have 55cm Toscos but they're happy on the Cheviot for now). 

 Perhaps it's just my setup or bike, but the brake posts seem to be 
 offset by about 2mm (requiring a spacer switch on the pads to make up the 
 difference) which makes the narrow clearance of the pads on short pull 
 v-brake arms even more cumbersome.

 Love the Charlie ride feel though - best of the Cheviot (probably from 
 the long stays and low step over) and the Sam (accelerates even quicker, 
 just feels fast in a way the Cheviot doesn't even though my chev has 42mm 
 smooth basketball tires and the Charles has 50mm knobbies). 

 Very happy with the Charles, but I suspect absent some meaningful 
 changes (that I suspect would make it less road-ish) the canti arms as on 
 the prototypes were not quite right. If this were meant 

[RBW] Re: A cage for a Platypus?

[Emily Guise]

So funny that you posted this-I have that cage on my Platypus! It is in 
fact an otter, from local-to-me company Portland Design Works. Can confirm 
it holds a water bottle as tightly as a mama otter holds her baby. :)

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 1:31:50 PM UTC-7 Marty Gierke, Stewartstown PA 
wrote:

> No, not that kind of cage. Might be an otter, but it has a baby Platy 
> vibe. 
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2022-05-01 at 4.24.31 PM copy.jpg]
> Speaking of baby Platypuses:
>
> [image: images.jpeg]
> Find the cage (and an owl and a lucky kitty version)  here:
>
> Caged Animals 
> 
>
> Marty
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Re: [RBW] FS: Saddlebag and backpacks

[Patrick Moore]

I forgot to add that, if you don't need to carry clothes on your commute,
just lunch, small laptop (13"), repair kit, perhaps the jacket you wore
inbound, and small sundries, the Junior is a perfect size.

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Re: [RBW] FS: Saddlebag and backpacks

[David Pulsipher]

Wonderful. I'd like to buy the carradice. I sent you a direct message.

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 1:49:08 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

> The Junior is one of my favorites, and I've owned about 6 of them because 
> I stupidly sell them when not immediately in use, and then have to buy 
> another one. (I do have one, even tho' it hangs from a ceiling hook most of 
> the year. I use it on the gofast in winter to carry shed outer garments.)
>
> This is a good price, too, since Carradice itself -- it's often cheaper to 
> buy direct and have shipped across the Atlantic than to buy stateside -- is 
> charging almost $70 at current exchange ratio.
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 1:07 PM Joe Mullins  wrote:
>
>> Selling a few bags. All have seen very little gentle use and have no 
>> tears or damage. Shipping from Los Angeles not included in the prices.
>>
>> 1. Carradice Junior Saddlebag - $45 - Great condition, looks darker in 
>> real life than in photos. Color is what they call green but looks more like 
>> black to me. Maybe when the sun gets to it it will look more greenish. 
>>
>> https://carradice.co.uk/shop/saddlebags/originals-junior-saddlebag/
>>
>> 2. Inside Line Equipment (ILE) Apex Day Pack - $110 - Like new, barely 
>> used. Really cool bag with a port for a hydration bladder. The material is 
>> brown waxed canvas. 
>>
>>
>> https://ilequipment.com/collections/backpacks/products/apex-daypack?variant=996729304
>>
>> 3.. Osprey Syncro 5 backpack - $85 - Great shape and a great bag if you 
>> like carrying hydration on your back. I personally try to not use backpacks 
>> on a bike these days. Does not include a hydration bladder. I removed the 
>> helmet tab but will include it if you want to reattach it. 
>>
>> https://www.osprey.com/us/en/product/syncro-5-SYNCRO5.html
>>
>> More photos: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Dg7Avy3hQT6A1xdF7
>>
>> Have a great day!
>> [image: _MM_5792.jpg]
>> [image: _MM_5772.jpg]
>> [image: _MM_5777.jpg]
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: A Quiet Ride and Thoughts of Bicycle Commuting

[MoVelo]

Too  bad they feel they have to put their articles behind a paywall. Who 
does that anymore?

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 7:05:47 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I know that I am pushing the boundaries of this thread to the breaking 
> point, but I also think that these tangents are fully sympathetic to the 
> general sense of this list in general and to Grant's own predilections in 
> particular. This current NYT article makes intelligent observations on the 
> debilitating effects of substituting technology for reality.
>
> At any rate, FWIW. Caveat: I find very many things to disagree with in Ms. 
> Tish Hamilton Warren's opinions, but OTOH, it is quite obvious that she (a) 
> is truly sincere and (b) has given these matters a great deal of 
> intelligent thought and (c) is a caring and sympathetic and, by God, an 
> *intelligent!* human individual.
>
> Her OpEd piece last week is also worth hunting up and reading.
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/01/opinion/loneliness-connectedness-technology.html
>
> On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 3:35 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> I'd like to understand better what you mean by this. I agree that, in 
>> general, many improvements so-called to everyday life have been 
>> technologies that do things for you and therefore remove agency and the 
>> resulting pleasure; remove agency except the very basic, almost pre-human 
>> agencies of adding inputs without having to think about results; and by 
>> technologies I mean administrative systems as well as machines. Almost 3 
>> decades ago a friend on a modestly successful upward career path as a 
>> commercial loan officer at a regional bank left after the bank was bought 
>> by a much bigger bank that had rationalized everything and put into place 
>> their program of using statistical analysis to reduce loan decisions to a 
>> checklist instead of what he found fulfilling: getting to know people and 
>> sizing up their circumstances and character, and forecasting outcomes based 
>> on this judgment.
>>
>> And 20 years ago, when I was married to a pediatrician, the big hospitals 
>> (here in flyover ABQ, NM) had been more and more making diagnosis and 
>> treatment a matter of following rationalized, statistically tested, general 
>> checklists, with other checklists to measure "productivity." She is now in 
>> 1-woman private practice, and good for her.
>>
>> Is this what you mean?
>>
>> It's funny and sad that more and more -- not only hard, dirty, dangerous 
>> physical labor, but human thought and creativity has been replaced by 
>> rationalized systems evaluated statistically, so that even some previously 
>> professional work has been reduced to hewing wood and drawing water, 
>> metaphorically speaking: plugging in inputs. This started of course with 
>> manufacturing.
>>
>> I agree that the same trend seems to be taking over cycling, with the 
>> difference that the ultimate agency in cycling is still the person that 
>> pedals. Still, I too like friction, when I don't use the primitive indexing 
>> on Sturmey Archer hubs, or give it all up altogether for fixed drivetrains 
>> -- because of agency.
>>
>> I do not by any means consider Matthew Crawford a sage, but he's an 
>> intelligent and well educated man who has actually thought through this 
>> sort of thing and expressed his conclusions with surprising clarity for 
>> someone trained as an academic, this in *Shop Class as Soul Craft* and *The 
>> World Beyond Your Head.* Both books assert generally that real-life 
>> confrontation and engagement with real things, notably in the manual 
>> trades*, are much more conducive to virtue** than coding software or even 
>> -- the clientele I write for -- managing the strategies and general 
>> direction and design of business systems, be these entire corporations or 
>> business units or product portfolios or global IT systems using statistical 
>> methods and working to meet the quarterly numbers. Yes, doing otherwise 
>> does indeed put a limit on practical size.
>>
>> Crawford worked as a journeyman electrician, and owns a business 
>> restoring classic motorcycles.
>>
>> * Hands-on trades: plumbing, auto mechanics, framing, and I daresay, 
>> though he doesn't extend his descriptions to them, cooking, interior 
>> design, event planning, stock raising, farming on a family scale.
>>
>> ** "Arete," the perfection or fulfillment and thus flourishing of a 
>> specific (= species) kind. The virtue of a hammer is to be well balanced, 
>> properly weighted, and because of this to drive nails efficiently. Crawford 
>> means both the specific excellences of character and the specific 
>> excellences of the practical intelligence; the speculative intelligence is 
>> beyond him. Suntour's classic bar cons by this criterion are highly 
>> virtuous shifting devices. Forget the idea of "virtue" in the modern sense 
>> as something that makes you give up stuff.
>>
>> On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 4:45 AM ascpgh  wrote:
>>
>>> ... So 

[RBW] Re: DIY Support Rack for Large Saddlesack

[steve]

Michael,
What is the left side chain powering on that bike?

Steve

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 12:46:52 PM UTC-4 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> I recently picked up a Large Saddlesack off the list (thanks Captain 
> Conway!) and needed a rear support rack for it. I had cut up some older 
> racks to harvest the struts and make my own "Pec Dec" inspired by Ron of 
> Rons Bikes. This one uses two sets of struts that are nano strapped to the 
> bottom leather panel on the bag. It provides more than enough support and 
> was much cheaper than an R10. 
>
> On another note, I've been through numerous saddlebags since the last time 
> I owned a large saddlesack circa 2014 and I have to say, its still the best 
> user-friendly saddlebag I've ever used. This is the first bike that I've 
> used one on that has a kickstand, so loading/unloading is a bit simpler 
> than in the past. But still, kudos to Riv for coming up with this design, 
> it's a pleasure to use.
>
> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/huREAJPVuTATfpsb8
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[RBW] Re: Jim 7-Speed Cassettes

[greenteadrinkers]

Was hoping for some advice... on my Sam, I'm interested in the Jim 7s 
13-42, with a 40 x 24 upfront, and Silver shifters in friction. The big 
question I have is rear derailer choice, would the Shimano Alivio T4000 
make sense? it's rated as a 9-speed with a total capacity of 45T.

Thanks,
Scott

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 1:03:09 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> Nerding-out on gearing:
>
> The % changes on the S-ride 13-34 are 14%, 18%, 15%, 13%, 15%, 19%. 
> maximum delta % in lower 6 is 5% (13% to 18%)
>
> The % changes on the Shimano 13-34 are 14%, 13%, 16%, 18%, 19%, 16%. 
> maximum delta % in lower 6 is 6% (13% to 19%)
>
> I thing the S ride is better, but this is much ado about nothing. 
> I personally think the biggest jump should always be on the biggest 
> (lowest) gear as is the case with the Riv S-ride. I don't need two bailout 
> gears.
>
> I still ride freewheels on some bikes - My Rivendell sourced Shimano 7 
> speed freewheel on my 1x Riv commuter is 14-16-18-20-22-24-34 for 13%, 12%, 
> 11%, 10%, 9%, 34%. -maximum delta % in lower 6 is 4% (9% to 13%) I think 
> this about ideal, could have maybe substituted a 25 for the 24, but again - 
> much ado about nothing.
>
> My NOS Suntour Winner 7 is 12-14-16-18-21-24-30 for 15%, 13%, 12%, 15%, 
> 13%, 22%. maximum delta % in lower 6 is 3% (12% to 15%), It is going on my 
> Bombadil with a triple crank.
>
> Laing
>
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 9:17:20 AM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:
>
>> I agree with Garth about the poor gear progressions on the 13-34 Jim.  
>>  The Shimano HG-50-K 13-134 is
>> 13-15-17-20-24-29-34
>> which IMHO is much better, it avoids the 15-18 problem and has 2-3-4-5-5 
>> spacing above 15 vs the Jim's  3-3-3-4-6 spacing.   I used the HG-50-K on 
>> my 88 Voyageur and gives very good spacing.   IRD also sold the same copy 
>> of a HG-50-K for about $30 2 years ago.  I do not see it in the IRD store 
>> now.  Maybe they changed suppliers.
>>
>> The 13-42 is also poor do to the 13-16 jump leaving NO 2 step drop for 
>> the high gears.  My 1975 Shimano 14-32 5 speed had a 14-17 jump and was 
>> always frustrating on level terrain finding a good high cog.  The 13-15 
>> solves that.
>>
>> In all, why does anyone want to go from 9 speed to 7 speed???   I can see 
>> them saying here is a supply of 7 speed for folks with 126 OLD rears, but 
>> if you have a 130 OLD rear just use the 9 speeds out there.  They have 
>> better progression.
>>
>> I think RBW is pitching folks a lemon with these as saying convert from 9 
>> to 7 speeds.
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 7:30:36 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> I had some bit of hope that these would use an consistent gear 
>>> progression of 15-17-20-24 on the 13-34, but no . S-Works does the 
>>> overly big 15-18 jump along with the 18-21-24 which is unnecessarily close. 
>>> I often wonder of anyone who designs these actually rides it. IRD does some 
>>> weird cog progression with some of their offerings as well. 
>>> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 5:00:50 PM UTC-4 hinton...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 In 2022, pretty cool to see 7-speed cassettes sell out in less than 12 
 hours. But, if you missed out, this is a PSA that Soma has them in stock 
 still, though they don’t include the spacers like Riv did.

 13-34: 
 https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/590906-s-ride-cassette-7sp-13-34t-cs-m200-6765?category=735

 13-42: 
 https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/590907-s-ride-cassette-7sp-13-42t-cs-e500-6766?category=735

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Jim 7-Speed Cassettes

[greenteadrinkers]

Was hoping for some advice... on my Sam, I'm interested in using out the 
Jim 7s 13-42, with a 40 x 24 upfront, and Silver shifters in friction. The 
question here seems to rest on the rear derailer, would the best choice be 
the Shimano Alivio T4000? it's rated as a 9-speed with a total capacity of 
45T, it sounds like that should work, am I missing something?

Thanks,
Scott

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 1:03:09 PM UTC-4 lconley wrote:

> Nerding-out on gearing:
>
> The % changes on the S-ride 13-34 are 14%, 18%, 15%, 13%, 15%, 19%. 
> maximum delta % in lower 6 is 5% (13% to 18%)
>
> The % changes on the Shimano 13-34 are 14%, 13%, 16%, 18%, 19%, 16%. 
> maximum delta % in lower 6 is 6% (13% to 19%)
>
> I thing the S ride is better, but this is much ado about nothing. 
> I personally think the biggest jump should always be on the biggest 
> (lowest) gear as is the case with the Riv S-ride. I don't need two bailout 
> gears.
>
> I still ride freewheels on some bikes - My Rivendell sourced Shimano 7 
> speed freewheel on my 1x Riv commuter is 14-16-18-20-22-24-34 for 13%, 12%, 
> 11%, 10%, 9%, 34%. -maximum delta % in lower 6 is 4% (9% to 13%) I think 
> this about ideal, could have maybe substituted a 25 for the 24, but again - 
> much ado about nothing.
>
> My NOS Suntour Winner 7 is 12-14-16-18-21-24-30 for 15%, 13%, 12%, 15%, 
> 13%, 22%. maximum delta % in lower 6 is 3% (12% to 15%), It is going on my 
> Bombadil with a triple crank.
>
> Laing
>
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 9:17:20 AM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:
>
>> I agree with Garth about the poor gear progressions on the 13-34 Jim.  
>>  The Shimano HG-50-K 13-134 is
>> 13-15-17-20-24-29-34
>> which IMHO is much better, it avoids the 15-18 problem and has 2-3-4-5-5 
>> spacing above 15 vs the Jim's  3-3-3-4-6 spacing.   I used the HG-50-K on 
>> my 88 Voyageur and gives very good spacing.   IRD also sold the same copy 
>> of a HG-50-K for about $30 2 years ago.  I do not see it in the IRD store 
>> now.  Maybe they changed suppliers.
>>
>> The 13-42 is also poor do to the 13-16 jump leaving NO 2 step drop for 
>> the high gears.  My 1975 Shimano 14-32 5 speed had a 14-17 jump and was 
>> always frustrating on level terrain finding a good high cog.  The 13-15 
>> solves that.
>>
>> In all, why does anyone want to go from 9 speed to 7 speed???   I can see 
>> them saying here is a supply of 7 speed for folks with 126 OLD rears, but 
>> if you have a 130 OLD rear just use the 9 speeds out there.  They have 
>> better progression.
>>
>> I think RBW is pitching folks a lemon with these as saying convert from 9 
>> to 7 speeds.
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 7:30:36 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> I had some bit of hope that these would use an consistent gear 
>>> progression of 15-17-20-24 on the 13-34, but no . S-Works does the 
>>> overly big 15-18 jump along with the 18-21-24 which is unnecessarily close. 
>>> I often wonder of anyone who designs these actually rides it. IRD does some 
>>> weird cog progression with some of their offerings as well. 
>>> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 5:00:50 PM UTC-4 hinton...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 In 2022, pretty cool to see 7-speed cassettes sell out in less than 12 
 hours. But, if you missed out, this is a PSA that Soma has them in stock 
 still, though they don’t include the spacers like Riv did.

 13-34: 
 https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/590906-s-ride-cassette-7sp-13-34t-cs-m200-6765?category=735

 13-42: 
 https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/590907-s-ride-cassette-7sp-13-42t-cs-e500-6766?category=735

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Jim 7-Speed Cassettes

[lconley]

Nerding-out on gearing:

The % changes on the S-ride 13-34 are 14%, 18%, 15%, 13%, 15%, 19%. maximum 
delta % in lower 6 is 5% (13% to 18%)

The % changes on the Shimano 13-34 are 14%, 13%, 16%, 18%, 19%, 16%. 
maximum delta % in lower 6 is 6% (13% to 19%)

I thing the S ride is better, but this is much ado about nothing. 
I personally think the biggest jump should always be on the biggest 
(lowest) gear as is the case with the Riv S-ride. I don't need two bailout 
gears.

I still ride freewheels on some bikes - My Rivendell sourced Shimano 7 
speed freewheel on my 1x Riv commuter is 14-16-18-20-22-24-34 for 13%, 12%, 
11%, 10%, 9%, 34%. -maximum delta % in lower 6 is 4% (9% to 13%) I think 
this about ideal, could have maybe substituted a 25 for the 24, but again - 
much ado about nothing.

My NOS Suntour Winner 7 is 12-14-16-18-21-24-30 for 15%, 13%, 12%, 15%, 
13%, 22%. maximum delta % in lower 6 is 3% (12% to 15%), It is going on my 
Bombadil with a triple crank.

Laing

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 9:17:20 AM UTC-4 John Hawrylak wrote:

> I agree with Garth about the poor gear progressions on the 13-34 Jim.  
>  The Shimano HG-50-K 13-134 is
> 13-15-17-20-24-29-34
> which IMHO is much better, it avoids the 15-18 problem and has 2-3-4-5-5 
> spacing above 15 vs the Jim's  3-3-3-4-6 spacing.   I used the HG-50-K on 
> my 88 Voyageur and gives very good spacing.   IRD also sold the same copy 
> of a HG-50-K for about $30 2 years ago.  I do not see it in the IRD store 
> now.  Maybe they changed suppliers.
>
> The 13-42 is also poor do to the 13-16 jump leaving NO 2 step drop for the 
> high gears.  My 1975 Shimano 14-32 5 speed had a 14-17 jump and was always 
> frustrating on level terrain finding a good high cog.  The 13-15 solves 
> that.
>
> In all, why does anyone want to go from 9 speed to 7 speed???   I can see 
> them saying here is a supply of 7 speed for folks with 126 OLD rears, but 
> if you have a 130 OLD rear just use the 9 speeds out there.  They have 
> better progression.
>
> I think RBW is pitching folks a lemon with these as saying convert from 9 
> to 7 speeds.
>
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 7:30:36 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>> I had some bit of hope that these would use an consistent gear 
>> progression of 15-17-20-24 on the 13-34, but no . S-Works does the 
>> overly big 15-18 jump along with the 18-21-24 which is unnecessarily close. 
>> I often wonder of anyone who designs these actually rides it. IRD does some 
>> weird cog progression with some of their offerings as well. 
>> On Saturday, April 30, 2022 at 5:00:50 PM UTC-4 hinton...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> In 2022, pretty cool to see 7-speed cassettes sell out in less than 12 
>>> hours. But, if you missed out, this is a PSA that Soma has them in stock 
>>> still, though they don’t include the spacers like Riv did.
>>>
>>> 13-34: 
>>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/590906-s-ride-cassette-7sp-13-34t-cs-m200-6765?category=735
>>>
>>> 13-42: 
>>> https://www.somafabshop.com/shop/product/590907-s-ride-cassette-7sp-13-42t-cs-e500-6766?category=735
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jim 7-Speed Cassettes

[TP H]

I too like the extra tire-to-chain clearance for wider tires.  Also, while 
I prefer a 2x setup to 1x (for aesthetic and closer gear steps reasons), at 
the same time I like some simplicity and don't want a ton of gears, so 7 
with the 2x is a good minimal arrangement for me.  Lastly, I like using 
(wearing down) all of my gears rather than having one (the 11t) or two that 
don't see much action and seem like lost value.

On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 8:24:21 AM UTC-7 RichS wrote:

> My thinking lines up with Ray's point about cogs and chains matching up as 
> the number of cogs increased and chains became correspondingly narrower. 
> Patrick's experience has been the opposite. It's always a Good Day to buy a 
> new part! Why not try a skinny chain for my fat 7 and 8 speed cogs? 
>
> Thanks Ray, Garth and Patrick for your thoughts.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 6:15:16 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> "He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning."
>>
>> Sorry Garth, I couldn't resist. I like you, don't worry.
>>
>> On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 11:40 AM Garth  wrote:
>>
>>> ... It's a very Good Day  All-ways a good Day !  
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

[Pancake]

Jason, I bet the long arm v-brakes are a big improvement; Paul components 
only maximizing that difference, but I'm sure the T610 or Alivio v-brake 
arms would work a charm with any linear / long pull levers. 
I used Jagwire "pro compressionless" housing which gives that firm feeling 
on my other bikes, but not on the charles with the short pull mini-v's.

If I find myself with more time to wrench than to ride I'll swap on the 
Albatross bars with some standard v-brakes / levers and let everyone know; 
but I'm sure it will be nearly as nice as your Paul setup as far as firm 
stopping and feel. 

As is, I have VERY firm stopping power but the feel is ... squishy at the 
lever. But more than enough power at the brakes to make the tires skid and 
quickly. 

On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 09:20:13 UTC-7 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I don't find my rear V-brake to be all that spongy to be honest. Maybe 
> it's the Paul lever and arms - but more likely it's just about good brake 
> housing. Full length housing is always squishier, of course, but I don't 
> see how putting caliper brakes on solves the problem - just reducing 
> braking power to reduce housing compression?? Not to mention adding MORE 
> overall flex through flexier brake arms.. 
>
>
> On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 9:13 AM Eric Daume  wrote:
>
>> Mini V brakes seem like a lost middle ground IMO. Either use V brakes 
>> with long pull levers, or cantis with short pull levers. 
>>
>> Either one of these option would be far better than long reach caliper 
>> brakes, which are too flexy for good braking.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Monday, May 2, 2022, Pancake  wrote:
>>
> I want canti posts because I want v-brakes on this bike. The reference in 
>>> a prior email or blagh or somewhere by Riv said something like, 'they left 
>>> to spongy or squishy or something' ... and they're right. At least on my 
>>> 57cm prototype. 
>>>
>>> I tried the Shimano BR-R353 with 90mm long arms ... way too soft a feel 
>>> at the brake levers (using TRP RRL brakes). Needed to setup the pads less 
>>> than 2mm from the rim on each side which leaves no room for less than true 
>>> rims. And the brake levers pull all the way to the handlebar ... though 
>>> they brake plenty hard and strong way before that point. The braking is 
>>> nearly too easy (tremendous mechanical advantage) but feels easy or soft as 
>>> you pull. 
>>>
>>> Switching to an 84mm arm Tektro brake helped but not dramatically, just 
>>> noticeably. 
>>>
>>> Switching to 82mm Litepro arms helped enough that I'll stay with this 
>>> setup, but it's still a bit soft. And there not much of any room left for 
>>> the brake cable to clear the 50mm knobbie tires I have on now (Schwalbe 
>>> G-One Allround). 
>>>
>>> I'm used to v-brakes feeling pretty solid as you pull the lever, that's 
>>> how my Rosco baby bike and nearly every other v-braked bike I've owned 
>>> operated. Solid pressure at the fingers as you pull and hit a point where 
>>> you can't pull more (and the brake pads were engaged fully long before that 
>>> pull point regardless). 
>>>
>>> I bet a 75mm brake arm v-brake and a 38mm tire would work with the 
>>> pressure and pull feel I expect, but that's not an option as far as I know 
>>> (or want).
>>>
>>> *Ultimately I'll probably do what Jason did and switch to upright bars 
>>> and linear pull long arm v-brakes. Right now I have swapped some levers and 
>>> a stem on my Albatross bars (mounted upside down so they drop a bit like 
>>> the Albastash (which the protocharlie arrived with) and I expect that (plus 
>>> some MX70 brake arms) would leave me with the expected brake feel. I'm on 
>>> the lookout for 60mm wide, 25.4mm clamp diameter Tosco bars to try instead 
>>> *(I 
>>> have 55cm Toscos but they're happy on the Cheviot for now). 
>>>
>>> Perhaps it's just my setup or bike, but the brake posts seem to be 
>>> offset by about 2mm (requiring a spacer switch on the pads to make up the 
>>> difference) which makes the narrow clearance of the pads on short pull 
>>> v-brake arms even more cumbersome.
>>>
>>> Love the Charlie ride feel though - best of the Cheviot (probably from 
>>> the long stays and low step over) and the Sam (accelerates even quicker, 
>>> just feels fast in a way the Cheviot doesn't even though my chev has 42mm 
>>> smooth basketball tires and the Charles has 50mm knobbies). 
>>>
>>> Very happy with the Charles, but I suspect absent some meaningful 
>>> changes (that I suspect would make it less road-ish) the canti arms as on 
>>> the prototypes were not quite right. If this were meant for upright bars 
>>> and standard linear pull v-brakes I bet they'd have had an easy decision to 
>>> stick with canti-posts, but for a bike meant for drop bars I can see why 
>>> they went the other way.  
>>> On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 04:10:50 UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the review I enjoyed it! I think you are right about the 
 canti posts but I suspect it is much too late to change it.

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

[Jason Fuller]

I don't find my rear V-brake to be all that spongy to be honest. Maybe it's
the Paul lever and arms - but more likely it's just about good brake
housing. Full length housing is always squishier, of course, but I don't
see how putting caliper brakes on solves the problem - just reducing
braking power to reduce housing compression?? Not to mention adding MORE
overall flex through flexier brake arms..


On Mon, May 2, 2022 at 9:13 AM Eric Daume  wrote:

> Mini V brakes seem like a lost middle ground IMO. Either use V brakes with
> long pull levers, or cantis with short pull levers.
>
> Either one of these option would be far better than long reach caliper
> brakes, which are too flexy for good braking.
>
> Eric
>
> On Monday, May 2, 2022, Pancake  wrote:
>
>> I want canti posts because I want v-brakes on this bike. The reference in
>> a prior email or blagh or somewhere by Riv said something like, 'they left
>> to spongy or squishy or something' ... and they're right. At least on my
>> 57cm prototype.
>>
>> I tried the Shimano BR-R353 with 90mm long arms ... way too soft a feel
>> at the brake levers (using TRP RRL brakes). Needed to setup the pads less
>> than 2mm from the rim on each side which leaves no room for less than true
>> rims. And the brake levers pull all the way to the handlebar ... though
>> they brake plenty hard and strong way before that point. The braking is
>> nearly too easy (tremendous mechanical advantage) but feels easy or soft as
>> you pull.
>>
>> Switching to an 84mm arm Tektro brake helped but not dramatically, just
>> noticeably.
>>
>> Switching to 82mm Litepro arms helped enough that I'll stay with this
>> setup, but it's still a bit soft. And there not much of any room left for
>> the brake cable to clear the 50mm knobbie tires I have on now (Schwalbe
>> G-One Allround).
>>
>> I'm used to v-brakes feeling pretty solid as you pull the lever, that's
>> how my Rosco baby bike and nearly every other v-braked bike I've owned
>> operated. Solid pressure at the fingers as you pull and hit a point where
>> you can't pull more (and the brake pads were engaged fully long before that
>> pull point regardless).
>>
>> I bet a 75mm brake arm v-brake and a 38mm tire would work with the
>> pressure and pull feel I expect, but that's not an option as far as I know
>> (or want).
>>
>> *Ultimately I'll probably do what Jason did and switch to upright bars
>> and linear pull long arm v-brakes. Right now I have swapped some levers and
>> a stem on my Albatross bars (mounted upside down so they drop a bit like
>> the Albastash (which the protocharlie arrived with) and I expect that (plus
>> some MX70 brake arms) would leave me with the expected brake feel. I'm on
>> the lookout for 60mm wide, 25.4mm clamp diameter Tosco bars to try instead 
>> *(I
>> have 55cm Toscos but they're happy on the Cheviot for now).
>>
>> Perhaps it's just my setup or bike, but the brake posts seem to be offset
>> by about 2mm (requiring a spacer switch on the pads to make up the
>> difference) which makes the narrow clearance of the pads on short pull
>> v-brake arms even more cumbersome.
>>
>> Love the Charlie ride feel though - best of the Cheviot (probably from
>> the long stays and low step over) and the Sam (accelerates even quicker,
>> just feels fast in a way the Cheviot doesn't even though my chev has 42mm
>> smooth basketball tires and the Charles has 50mm knobbies).
>>
>> Very happy with the Charles, but I suspect absent some meaningful changes
>> (that I suspect would make it less road-ish) the canti arms as on the
>> prototypes were not quite right. If this were meant for upright bars and
>> standard linear pull v-brakes I bet they'd have had an easy decision to
>> stick with canti-posts, but for a bike meant for drop bars I can see why
>> they went the other way.
>> On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 04:10:50 UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the review I enjoyed it! I think you are right about the
>>> canti posts but I suspect it is much too late to change it.
>>>
>>> On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 12:24:02 UTC+8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 I started a review of mine, to pay back the privilege of owning one
 already!  I haven't so much as proofread it, let alone edit it, so bear
 that in mind


 https://www.jasonmytail.com/75-day-700km-review-rivendell-charlie-h-gallop/

 On Saturday, 12 March 2022 at 17:45:11 UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

>
> I love both of these builds. I can imagine the Albatross work well. I
> enjoyed running Billie bars on mine.
> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 8:39:14 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Very nice Abe! I can believe it on the climbing - the long rear end
>> makes a world of a difference for climbing, I find!
>>
>> Not much has changed on mine since I last posted it - the Albatross
>> bars feel perfect on this bike for me, even though it's suited to drops 
>> or
>> moustache bars. Granted, I'm using it a 

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

[Eric Daume]

Mini V brakes seem like a lost middle ground IMO. Either use V brakes with
long pull levers, or cantis with short pull levers.

Either one of these option would be far better than long reach caliper
brakes, which are too flexy for good braking.

Eric

On Monday, May 2, 2022, Pancake  wrote:

> I want canti posts because I want v-brakes on this bike. The reference in
> a prior email or blagh or somewhere by Riv said something like, 'they left
> to spongy or squishy or something' ... and they're right. At least on my
> 57cm prototype.
>
> I tried the Shimano BR-R353 with 90mm long arms ... way too soft a feel at
> the brake levers (using TRP RRL brakes). Needed to setup the pads less than
> 2mm from the rim on each side which leaves no room for less than true rims.
> And the brake levers pull all the way to the handlebar ... though they
> brake plenty hard and strong way before that point. The braking is nearly
> too easy (tremendous mechanical advantage) but feels easy or soft as you
> pull.
>
> Switching to an 84mm arm Tektro brake helped but not dramatically, just
> noticeably.
>
> Switching to 82mm Litepro arms helped enough that I'll stay with this
> setup, but it's still a bit soft. And there not much of any room left for
> the brake cable to clear the 50mm knobbie tires I have on now (Schwalbe
> G-One Allround).
>
> I'm used to v-brakes feeling pretty solid as you pull the lever, that's
> how my Rosco baby bike and nearly every other v-braked bike I've owned
> operated. Solid pressure at the fingers as you pull and hit a point where
> you can't pull more (and the brake pads were engaged fully long before that
> pull point regardless).
>
> I bet a 75mm brake arm v-brake and a 38mm tire would work with the
> pressure and pull feel I expect, but that's not an option as far as I know
> (or want).
>
> *Ultimately I'll probably do what Jason did and switch to upright bars and
> linear pull long arm v-brakes. Right now I have swapped some levers and a
> stem on my Albatross bars (mounted upside down so they drop a bit like the
> Albastash (which the protocharlie arrived with) and I expect that (plus
> some MX70 brake arms) would leave me with the expected brake feel. I'm on
> the lookout for 60mm wide, 25.4mm clamp diameter Tosco bars to try instead *(I
> have 55cm Toscos but they're happy on the Cheviot for now).
>
> Perhaps it's just my setup or bike, but the brake posts seem to be offset
> by about 2mm (requiring a spacer switch on the pads to make up the
> difference) which makes the narrow clearance of the pads on short pull
> v-brake arms even more cumbersome.
>
> Love the Charlie ride feel though - best of the Cheviot (probably from the
> long stays and low step over) and the Sam (accelerates even quicker, just
> feels fast in a way the Cheviot doesn't even though my chev has 42mm smooth
> basketball tires and the Charles has 50mm knobbies).
>
> Very happy with the Charles, but I suspect absent some meaningful changes
> (that I suspect would make it less road-ish) the canti arms as on the
> prototypes were not quite right. If this were meant for upright bars and
> standard linear pull v-brakes I bet they'd have had an easy decision to
> stick with canti-posts, but for a bike meant for drop bars I can see why
> they went the other way.
> On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 04:10:50 UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the review I enjoyed it! I think you are right about the canti
>> posts but I suspect it is much too late to change it.
>>
>> On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 12:24:02 UTC+8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I started a review of mine, to pay back the privilege of owning one
>>> already!  I haven't so much as proofread it, let alone edit it, so bear
>>> that in mind
>>>
>>> https://www.jasonmytail.com/75-day-700km-review-rivendell-
>>> charlie-h-gallop/
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 12 March 2022 at 17:45:11 UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>

 I love both of these builds. I can imagine the Albatross work well. I
 enjoyed running Billie bars on mine.
 On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 8:39:14 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> Very nice Abe! I can believe it on the climbing - the long rear end
> makes a world of a difference for climbing, I find!
>
> Not much has changed on mine since I last posted it - the Albatross
> bars feel perfect on this bike for me, even though it's suited to drops or
> moustache bars. Granted, I'm using it a bit differently than intended too.
> I've put a used dynamo front wheel on and am embracing the mismatched
> wheels. Here's a pic of it on my way to donate some excess tires and parts
> to the local non-profit bike shop today. No plans to change a thing! I'll
> put some RH Barlow Pass endurance on eventually, but I want to wear these
> out first
>
> On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 4:44 PM Pancake  wrote:
>
>> Here's my 57cm prototype Charlie update and build:
>> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/
>> 

Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

[Pancake]

I want canti posts because I want v-brakes on this bike. The reference in a 
prior email or blagh or somewhere by Riv said something like, 'they left to 
spongy or squishy or something' ... and they're right. At least on my 57cm 
prototype. 

I tried the Shimano BR-R353 with 90mm long arms ... way too soft a feel at 
the brake levers (using TRP RRL brakes). Needed to setup the pads less than 
2mm from the rim on each side which leaves no room for less than true rims. 
And the brake levers pull all the way to the handlebar ... though they 
brake plenty hard and strong way before that point. The braking is nearly 
too easy (tremendous mechanical advantage) but feels easy or soft as you 
pull. 

Switching to an 84mm arm Tektro brake helped but not dramatically, just 
noticeably. 

Switching to 82mm Litepro arms helped enough that I'll stay with this 
setup, but it's still a bit soft. And there not much of any room left for 
the brake cable to clear the 50mm knobbie tires I have on now (Schwalbe 
G-One Allround). 

I'm used to v-brakes feeling pretty solid as you pull the lever, that's how 
my Rosco baby bike and nearly every other v-braked bike I've owned 
operated. Solid pressure at the fingers as you pull and hit a point where 
you can't pull more (and the brake pads were engaged fully long before that 
pull point regardless). 

I bet a 75mm brake arm v-brake and a 38mm tire would work with the pressure 
and pull feel I expect, but that's not an option as far as I know (or want).

*Ultimately I'll probably do what Jason did and switch to upright bars and 
linear pull long arm v-brakes. Right now I have swapped some levers and a 
stem on my Albatross bars (mounted upside down so they drop a bit like the 
Albastash (which the protocharlie arrived with) and I expect that (plus 
some MX70 brake arms) would leave me with the expected brake feel. I'm on 
the lookout for 60mm wide, 25.4mm clamp diameter Tosco bars to try instead *(I 
have 55cm Toscos but they're happy on the Cheviot for now). 

Perhaps it's just my setup or bike, but the brake posts seem to be offset 
by about 2mm (requiring a spacer switch on the pads to make up the 
difference) which makes the narrow clearance of the pads on short pull 
v-brake arms even more cumbersome.

Love the Charlie ride feel though - best of the Cheviot (probably from the 
long stays and low step over) and the Sam (accelerates even quicker, just 
feels fast in a way the Cheviot doesn't even though my chev has 42mm smooth 
basketball tires and the Charles has 50mm knobbies). 

Very happy with the Charles, but I suspect absent some meaningful changes 
(that I suspect would make it less road-ish) the canti arms as on the 
prototypes were not quite right. If this were meant for upright bars and 
standard linear pull v-brakes I bet they'd have had an easy decision to 
stick with canti-posts, but for a bike meant for drop bars I can see why 
they went the other way.  
On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 04:10:50 UTC-7 brendonoid wrote:

> Thanks for the review I enjoyed it! I think you are right about the canti 
> posts but I suspect it is much too late to change it.
>
> On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 12:24:02 UTC+8 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I started a review of mine, to pay back the privilege of owning one 
>> already!  I haven't so much as proofread it, let alone edit it, so bear 
>> that in mind 
>>
>>
>> https://www.jasonmytail.com/75-day-700km-review-rivendell-charlie-h-gallop/
>>
>> On Saturday, 12 March 2022 at 17:45:11 UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I love both of these builds. I can imagine the Albatross work well. I 
>>> enjoyed running Billie bars on mine.
>>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 8:39:14 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>>
 Very nice Abe! I can believe it on the climbing - the long rear end 
 makes a world of a difference for climbing, I find! 

 Not much has changed on mine since I last posted it - the Albatross 
 bars feel perfect on this bike for me, even though it's suited to drops or 
 moustache bars. Granted, I'm using it a bit differently than intended too. 
 I've put a used dynamo front wheel on and am embracing the mismatched 
 wheels. Here's a pic of it on my way to donate some excess tires and parts 
 to the local non-profit bike shop today. No plans to change a thing! I'll 
 put some RH Barlow Pass endurance on eventually, but I want to wear these 
 out first 

 On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 4:44 PM Pancake  wrote:

> Here's my 57cm prototype Charlie update and build:
>
> https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/DUpFlP27OE4/m/HZb6bU5XBAAJ
> [image: IMG_3522.jpg][image: IMG_3550.jpg][image: IMG_3551.jpg][image: 
> IMG_3556.jpg]
> More pics here:  https://imgur.com/a/RiI8NN4
>
> My friend caught this 57cm Charlie prototype for me a few weeks ago - 
> my ideal Riv since I want v-brakes (that my Sam and Cheviot lack). Sadly, 
> this will end up replacing my Sam, but 

[RBW] Re: That new rear derailer

[Bill Lindsay]

iamkeith followed up, saying: "I wish I could find the old Blahg or Peeking 
through the Knothole or Reader article where they were tossing around the 
idea of the reversible spring.  It seemed so genius and simple to me.  
 Though I suspect you're right - it probably wasn't simple at all."

I think the idea of a reversible action rear derailer would be super cute.  
As a feature it's a strong 'nice to have'.  The problem is that you can't 
achieve that feature with a normal Cable+return spring mechanism unless the 
derailer itself is made up of parts that can be disassembled and 
reassembled.  If we made that feature (reversibility) a "MUST HAVE", then 
the way to achieve it would be to ditch the traditional mechanism.  We'd 
design a desmodrmic actuation method.  This means we actively move it in 
both directions and there is no return spring.  Old french rear derailers, 
made famous by Bicycle Quarterly had a continuous loop of cable actuating 
the rear der.  You could take your 1950's Rene Herse and give it a SICK 
Grant Pedersen flavor by reinstalling the cable in a figure 8: now it's 
Rapid Rise Rene!  Alternatively, one could fashion a hydraulic actuation 
method that pushes the RD in each direction.  It's trivial to insert a 
control valve that flips this flow and makes it Rapid Rise Hydro!  

Either one would be fun projects.  I've got pretty copious design notes on 
both of the above.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA 

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:49:24 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:25:31 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> iamkeith asked one question and then implied a second question by stating 
>> a wonder.
>> The question:
>>
>
> I don't always do as good of a Job as Bill at making the message-posting 
> sequence as clear as Bill does, but my message - and rhetorical query of my 
> own - was mostly meant as a response to Corwin's question.  My point was 
> that I too suspect indexing might actually work for those who want it - 
> though there's no way I could know for sure yet.   I was just hoping 
> somebody might.   My other point was that I agree with Corwin saying that 
> there's absolutely nothing to "hate" about rapid-rise.   But both options 
> are still nice to have.  Horses for courses.
>
>
>  A convertible Rivendell RD would achieve what?  It would allow people who 
>> love Rivendell but hate RapidRise to spend extra money on a Rivendell RD, 
>> but flip it back to work the same as a cheap Shimano Altus that is already 
>> awesome.  I don't see any point in that.  
>>
>>
> Well, to me, it would offer an option to continue getting what will be 
> presumably HIGH-quality and presumably polished silver,  normal-rise 
> derailleurs - as opposed to 
> perfectly-functional-but-cheap-and-not-attractive Altus derailleurs - which 
> could help me keep my old (and new) bikes running with my preferred 7, 8 
> and 9 speed drivetrains.  I've long since tired of cruising ebay, looking 
> for obsolete parts, but I like what I like.  It would be wonderful to have 
> a new and in-productcion option available.  And "yes," supporting Riv would 
> just makes it that much better.  Not saying I won't buy one or more anyway 
> - just daydreaming out loud.
>
> I wish I could find the old Blahg or Peeking through the Knothole or 
> Reader article where they were tossing around the idea of the reversible 
> spring.  It seemed so genius and simple to me.   Though I suspect you're 
> right - it probably wasn't simple at all.
>
>
>
>
>  
>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 12:30:24 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a reason this derailleur couldn't be used with index shifters 
>>> if someone was so inclined?  Grant said they copied the parallelogram 
>>> geometry from Shimano.  I assumed that meant it had a 1.66:1 cable pull 
>>> ratio, so any index shifter up through 9 speed, with a corresponding number 
>>> of detents, should work.  The only issue should be that the gear numbers on 
>>> the shifter will be backwards.
>>>
>>> What I keep wondering - and nobody ever answers - is what happened to 
>>> the original idea of making these so that the spring could be moved to the 
>>> opposite corners of the parallelogram, so that it could function in EITHER 
>>> a high-normal or low-normal mode.  I hope they're doing that.   I don't 
>>> dis-like rapid rise at all, but I have a lot of bikes and every time I get 
>>> on my one that has it (Susie), I shift the wrong direction by habit if I'm 
>>> in a crux move.  It would be nice to have both options.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 1:18:50 PM UTC-6 Corwin wrote:
>>>
 I tried rapid rise last time I was in Walnut Creek. I really liked it. 
 I ditched friction about ten years ago though. Dislike friction for the 
 same reason I like rapid rise: Hills! The San Francisco Bay Area is the 
 home of long hills, steep hills and long, steep hills. I can't count the 
 times I have been 

[RBW] WTB + WTT: Parts for Susie (WTB Pure V Saddle, Nitto R14/Shiny Rear Rack)

[Jared Wilson]

Hey gang,

Trying to sort out the last bits for my incoming Susie.

Looking to trade a Nitto R14 (w/ tombstone) for a Shiny Rear Rack.

Also looking to purchase a WTB Pure V Saddle, preferably the classic all 
black version.

Please respond off list, thanks!

Jared


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Re: [RBW] Re: Jim 7-Speed Cassettes

[RichS]

My thinking lines up with Ray's point about cogs and chains matching up as 
the number of cogs increased and chains became correspondingly narrower. 
Patrick's experience has been the opposite. It's always a Good Day to buy a 
new part! Why not try a skinny chain for my fat 7 and 8 speed cogs? 

Thanks Ray, Garth and Patrick for your thoughts.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 6:15:16 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> "He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning."
>
> Sorry Garth, I couldn't resist. I like you, don't worry.
>
> On Sun, May 1, 2022 at 11:40 AM Garth  wrote:
>
>> ... It's a very Good Day  All-ways a good Day !  
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: PSA - Brooks B68s FS on eBay

[Joe Mullins]

Black B68s on eBay for 124.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/144533381845?mkcid=16=1=711-127632-2357-0=66vxTDK6RUW=2349624=_ver=artemis=COPY

> On Apr 28, 2022, at 6:42 AM, lconley  wrote:
> 
> The stamping on the side of the saddle where it says B68 or B67 is different 
> - otherwise they are the same as far as I can tell. You can install a B67 
> leather on a B68 frame as I did. You can still find new B68 frames on eBay. 
> Not the cheapest way to go, especially if you chrome the frame - I do have 
> the shorter B67s in a factory chrome frame though (has springs). 
> There are several varieties of tops available - my favorite is the B68/B67 
> softened/aged which has holes for laces - also available on the B67s. The B66 
> is also the same shape (B66 is a two rail B67). 
> The NOS B68/B68s aged/softened saddles sometimes come with laces in multiple 
> colors so you can color coordinate. My Frank Jones SR has blue laces to match 
> the frame, the Bombadil has green laces to match the frame, and the Betty Foy 
> has red laces to match the frame detailing. 
> 
> Laing
> 
>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 8:13:55 AM UTC-4 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Other than the rail design, is there any difference between a B68 / B67?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Apr 28, 2022, at 3:59 AM, brendonoid  wrote:
 
>>> 
>> 
>>> It would be great if the folks at Rivendell could inspire Brooks to reissue 
>>> the B68. Even if just one color. 
>>> 
>>> According to Grant on reddit yesterday, they have! It's some time off but 
>>> it's happening. Details to follow!
>> 
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[RBW] Re: Hillibikes are so close!

[Rick Urbanowski]

Nice build! Can you tell me which racks you have on there please?
On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 7:50:23 PM UTC-4 duh...@gmail.com wrote:

> Didn't see any mention in this weeks newsletter, I'm also patiently 
> awaiting the arrival of my XL Susie.
>
> It'll be similar to my V1 Susie, which I dearly miss and can't wait to see 
> how the new XL treats me!
>
> [image: IMG_3321.JPG]
>
> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 1:39:55 PM UTC-7 hinton...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I too am pumped for these to arrive!  I'm hoping we get a newsletter 
>> email today from Will that confirms their arrival at port by yesterdays 
>> estimated date.  That will then only be topped by Riv's first shared photo 
>> of the actual frames - talk about a sight for sore eyes :)  This XL orange 
>> Gus is my first Riv, so its been a little hard to wait, but ultimately I 
>> understand the delay with how supply chain issues are going these days.  
>> The extra time has been nice though to get parts lined up.  I found a NOS 
>> Nexave Rapid Rise derailer at my local tool/hardware recyclery/co-op for 
>> $12!  I eBay sourced an old XT crank set with quasi-unconventional 94/58 
>> BCDs to run a 32/20 double.  That combo paired with a 7-speed 13-34 will 
>> allow me the climbing gears to get up my sometime steep trails here in 
>> Eugene, OR, while maintaining some top-end to make the descents nice, too.  
>> Brooks B17, Velocity Cliffhangers, Bontrager 2.6 XR2s, 65cm Tosco bars, 
>> Soma High Rider stem, and a few purple (i.e., SimWorks bar end plugs, chain 
>> ring bolts, and Paul Gino mount) and blue (i.e., Koma tail light and 
>> Radavist stem cap) anodized bits round out the highlights.
>>
>> On Friday, April 29, 2022 at 11:33:30 AM UTC-7 Erik wrote:
>>
>>> I had a complete build for my new Gus from a Susie that I sold in 
>>> December.  The plan had been to simply buy a new stem but leave everything 
>>> else as is:  WI/Cliffhanger wheel set from Rich, WI 1x cranks, Tumbleweed 
>>> Persuader bars, Paul Motolite brakes and levers, etc.  But because I've had 
>>> so much time to think about it, I've ended up with three bar options, a new 
>>> Garbaruk 11-50 cassette and pulley kit, new shifters, a LOT of headset 
>>> spacers, stem caps, bar tape color options, grips, etc.  It's going to be a 
>>> beautiful build and I can't wait to get started.  
>>>
>>> I'm sure there will be a lot of pictures once it's all set up.  Hoping 
>>> that the ship made it on schedule!   
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 6:54:45 AM UTC-7 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 I have been wanting to post for weeks asking about builds to come. 
 Hopefully they make it to port today and we will be seeing them soon! I 
 had 
 a pretty mellow Riv style build planned. While waiting, I’ve collected 
 some 
 other options as well. Can’t wait to put it together! 
 I’m sure everyone else waiting for one is as excited as I am. I look 
 forward to seeing some great builds!

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Introducing the Charlie H Gallop Protovelo

[brendonoid]

Thanks for the review I enjoyed it! I think you are right about the canti 
posts but I suspect it is much too late to change it.

On Monday, 2 May 2022 at 12:24:02 UTC+8 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I started a review of mine, to pay back the privilege of owning one 
> already!  I haven't so much as proofread it, let alone edit it, so bear 
> that in mind 
>
> https://www.jasonmytail.com/75-day-700km-review-rivendell-charlie-h-gallop/
>
> On Saturday, 12 March 2022 at 17:45:11 UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>>
>> I love both of these builds. I can imagine the Albatross work well. I 
>> enjoyed running Billie bars on mine.
>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 8:39:14 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> Very nice Abe! I can believe it on the climbing - the long rear end 
>>> makes a world of a difference for climbing, I find! 
>>>
>>> Not much has changed on mine since I last posted it - the Albatross bars 
>>> feel perfect on this bike for me, even though it's suited to drops or 
>>> moustache bars. Granted, I'm using it a bit differently than intended too. 
>>> I've put a used dynamo front wheel on and am embracing the mismatched 
>>> wheels. Here's a pic of it on my way to donate some excess tires and parts 
>>> to the local non-profit bike shop today. No plans to change a thing! I'll 
>>> put some RH Barlow Pass endurance on eventually, but I want to wear these 
>>> out first 
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 4:44 PM Pancake  wrote:
>>>
 Here's my 57cm prototype Charlie update and build:

 https://groups.google.com/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/DUpFlP27OE4/m/HZb6bU5XBAAJ
 [image: IMG_3522.jpg][image: IMG_3550.jpg][image: IMG_3551.jpg][image: 
 IMG_3556.jpg]
 More pics here:  https://imgur.com/a/RiI8NN4

 My friend caught this 57cm Charlie prototype for me a few weeks ago - 
 my ideal Riv since I want v-brakes (that my Sam and Cheviot lack). Sadly, 
 this will end up replacing my Sam, but what a replacement! Vs. Sam: No 
 more 
 toe clip overlap, more chainstay length, climbs better (this surprised 
 me), 
 and more comfortable (for me at least). 

 I swapped nearly everything from my Hillborne onto the Charlie (and 
 vice versa):
 Frame - Charlie H Gallop 57cm prototype with canti posts
 Wheelset - VO Voyager rims, DT Swiss Competition (double butted) 
 spokes, SP (Shutter Precision) PV-8 dynamo hub in front, Bitex rear hub, 
 Salsa skewers
 Stem - Nitto technomic 70mm (IIRC)
 Handlebars – Soma Portola (52cm wide at bar ends, 48cm at hoods)
 Brake levers – TRP RRL 
 Brakes - rear CX70 canti, front Shimano BR-R353 (will replace with 
 Tektro 926al which has 85mm arms vs 90mm on the Shimanos ... they work 
 well 
 but the levers don't quite pull enough to feel right with the long arms). 
 Koolstop e-brake pads in front. 
 Handlbar tape - will replace random rainbow stuff with Newbaums some 
 day.
 Seatpost - Nitto S83
 Seat - Brooks Flyer (but may replace with B17s or C19)
 Crankset - Sugino clipper triple 26/36/46 ... will replace with VO 
 46/30 double
 Cassette – Suntour 11-40t 9 speed
 Front derailleur – Riv put on a Blue Line, it is JUST enough range to 
 shift to the tallest chainring, but only just.
 Rear derailer - nexus rapid rise, it doesn't have quite enough spring 
 tension with this setup to keep from skipping under hard pedaling, I'll 
 try 
 the XT rapid rise and hope that works better like it did on the Sam.
 Pedals – Kona Wah Wah - 118mm x 120mm
 Tires – Schwalbe G-One Allround 700 x 50mm
 Lights - IQ-XS in front and Secula in back

 Abe

 On Thursday, 17 February 2022 at 19:57:32 UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I had the same issue with the stem but didn't attribute it to being a 
> prototype.  I can't use taller stems at all because they just don't go 
> down 
> deep enough. Is that not the case with standard Riv's?
>
> I used Billie's and really enjoyed it.  It's clear that the frame was 
> built for sweptbacks.
> On Thursday, February 17, 2022 at 10:38:28 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> Update - put on the Albatross bars. One kind of annoying nuance to 
>> this prototype frame is that they didn't ream the steerer as deep as 
>> they 
>> do for their production bikes, so I can't get the stem quite as low as I 
>> wanted, but it's close enough that it doesn't warrant buying a new stem. 
>> That said, I am actually quite floored by how much the Albatross brought 
>> this bike to life for what I want from it.  I've run these bars on a few 
>> bikes but this is the best they've felt on any bike for me. It's feeling 
>> very right to me now. I know it's meant to be a roadish bike but I'd 
>> sooner 
>> put drops on a Homer or Hillborne; to me this bike suits the Albatross 
>> so 
>> perfectly.  
>>
>>
>>
>> On 

[RBW] Re: That new rear derailer

[brendonoid]

You can't just flip the spring on a derailleur. You need to change where 
the cable is pulling from and where it is attached. Non-trivial since it is 
built into the single molded top part. Where the barrel adjuster is 
attached on a rapid rise derailleur is actually the biggest flaw in the 
design and I suspect *ACTUALLY* the main reason Shimano gave up on it in 
the end. Evidenced by their shift to the 'shadow' layout, specifically 
designed to limit a derailleurs exposure beyond the frame, limiting damage 
from drops and trail debris.
I love the rapid rise derailleur that I've used but a single fall my bike 
experienced from a gust of wind in a car park smashed the barrel adjuster 
and bent the derailleur hanger. The rest of the bike received zero damage 
other than a scuff on bar tape.That is a very simple problem that a large 
parts manufacturer like Shimano would have got sick of covering warranties 
on.

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