[RBW] Re: Rolling on the Rivendell Mountain

[Gabriel Bruguier]

Hey, good to see another Nebraskan, Jason!  I need to make it out that way, 
I've been meaning to do the ride from Lincoln to Omaha for way too long. 

Thanks so much, Ryan!  You nailed it.  Mine's a 1996 model, built in March 
according to the serial number.  There was a thread on this model a while 
back with the original write up in an early Riv Reader, and some photos of 
other builds-- here's the link. 

 thanks,
-Gabe

On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 8:34:25 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> Earlier Waterford-built model maybe until 1996-7? I don't think too many 
> were made but it is an earlier model like the Road standard and Allrounder 
> built with Reynolds 753 and 531 fork
>
> On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 7:10:24 PM UTC-5 jasonz...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> perhaps a dumber question, but can someone educate me on this "Riv 
>> Mountain" is it a semi custom or an earlier model like the road standard? 
>>  I love it either way.  Also cheers to the Omaha folk, I'm out here just 
>> south of town on the Mopac between Springfield and Louisville with my 
>> Quickbeam & SimpleOne
>>
>> Jason
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 2:31:06 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> Classics! To Reginald: at the risk of asking a dumb question..what is 
>>> that mirror-like thing clipped to the top tube behind the headset?
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 10:35:11 PM UTC-5 R. Alexis wrote:
>>>
 Did the Corporate Cycling Challenge today, 
 https://showofficeonline.com/CorporateCyclingChallenge/. Decided to 
 use the Rivendell Mountain to do it based on wanting as comfortable a bike 
 as possible. Hadn't been on it in a while with having several bikes and 
 the 
 Rivendell needing some attention. It sill does, but it did the job fine. 
 Did have a slight mechanical. The Mavic bottom bracket non-drive side came 
 loose causing the left left crankarm to slightly rub the chainstay. Got it 
 hand tightened a couple times and gingerly rode it the 12 or so remaining 
 miles of 42 back. 

 Reginald Alexis 


 [image: image00 (13).jpg]

>>>

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[RBW] Re: Rolling on the Rivendell Mountain

[Ryan]

Earlier Waterford-built model maybe until 1996-7? I don't think too many 
were made but it is an earlier model like the Road standard and Allrounder 
built with Reynolds 753 and 531 fork

On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 7:10:24 PM UTC-5 jasonz...@gmail.com wrote:

> perhaps a dumber question, but can someone educate me on this "Riv 
> Mountain" is it a semi custom or an earlier model like the road standard? 
>  I love it either way.  Also cheers to the Omaha folk, I'm out here just 
> south of town on the Mopac between Springfield and Louisville with my 
> Quickbeam & SimpleOne
>
> Jason
>
> On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 2:31:06 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:
>
>> Classics! To Reginald: at the risk of asking a dumb question..what is 
>> that mirror-like thing clipped to the top tube behind the headset?
>>
>> On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 10:35:11 PM UTC-5 R. Alexis wrote:
>>
>>> Did the Corporate Cycling Challenge today, 
>>> https://showofficeonline.com/CorporateCyclingChallenge/. Decided to use 
>>> the Rivendell Mountain to do it based on wanting as comfortable a bike as 
>>> possible. Hadn't been on it in a while with having several bikes and the 
>>> Rivendell needing some attention. It sill does, but it did the job fine. 
>>> Did have a slight mechanical. The Mavic bottom bracket non-drive side came 
>>> loose causing the left left crankarm to slightly rub the chainstay. Got it 
>>> hand tightened a couple times and gingerly rode it the 12 or so remaining 
>>> miles of 42 back. 
>>>
>>> Reginald Alexis 
>>>
>>>
>>> [image: image00 (13).jpg]
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] pm sentRe: FS: Brooks saddles

[Taylor M]

Thanks for the interest! Both saddles have sold.

On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 1:48:22 PM UTC-4 jamin orrall wrote:

> pm sent
>
> On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 10:38:24 AM UTC-7 Taylor M wrote:
>
>> Some nibbles, no bites, so dropping the price of the B17 to $160 shipped 
>> CONUS. PayPal FF or Venmo.
>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:50:39 PM UTC-4 Taylor M wrote:
>>
>>> C17 has been claimed. B17 is still available.
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:18:02 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Email sent!

 On Aug 19, 2022, at 1:20 PM, Taylor M  wrote:

 [image: IMG_4361.jpg]



 On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 1:20:13 PM UTC-4 Taylor M wrote:

> [image: IMG_4360.jpg]
>
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 1:19:28 PM UTC-4 Taylor M wrote:
>
>> Now that I've landed on the saddle that works best for me with an 
>> upright riding position, I'd like the ones I tried to find new homes.
>>
>> Paypal or Venmo
>>
>> *Brooks C17 Carved Chris King Grey Turquoise*
>> Installed and used on one short ride, like new
>> $85 shipped CONUS
>>
>> *Brooks B17 Special Titanium*
>> Applied Obenauf's once
>> Installed and used a few times, some light marks
>> $175 shipped CONUS
>>
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[RBW] Re: Rolling on the Rivendell Mountain

[Jason Zakaras]

perhaps a dumber question, but can someone educate me on this "Riv 
Mountain" is it a semi custom or an earlier model like the road standard? 
 I love it either way.  Also cheers to the Omaha folk, I'm out here just 
south of town on the Mopac between Springfield and Louisville with my 
Quickbeam & SimpleOne

Jason

On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 2:31:06 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> Classics! To Reginald: at the risk of asking a dumb question..what is that 
> mirror-like thing clipped to the top tube behind the headset?
>
> On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 10:35:11 PM UTC-5 R. Alexis wrote:
>
>> Did the Corporate Cycling Challenge today, 
>> https://showofficeonline.com/CorporateCyclingChallenge/. Decided to use 
>> the Rivendell Mountain to do it based on wanting as comfortable a bike as 
>> possible. Hadn't been on it in a while with having several bikes and the 
>> Rivendell needing some attention. It sill does, but it did the job fine. 
>> Did have a slight mechanical. The Mavic bottom bracket non-drive side came 
>> loose causing the left left crankarm to slightly rub the chainstay. Got it 
>> hand tightened a couple times and gingerly rode it the 12 or so remaining 
>> miles of 42 back. 
>>
>> Reginald Alexis 
>>
>>
>> [image: image00 (13).jpg]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Randonneuring Bike

[Ted Durant]

On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 5:44:03 PM UTC-4 ttoshi wrote:

>  He might have said that the Sam H. was a perfect brevet bike and that 
> despite it being heavier than other bikes he has ridden, he was fast on the 
> bike and rode one of, if not his fastest time for a 200k on the bike.
>

This wouldn't surprise me. As lots of people have chimed in, it's mostly 
about comfort. Even if there's a lot of climbing, we're carrying a bunch of 
gear and food and the weight of the bike is a small percentage of the total 
rider/bike/gear package.

As I mentioned, my fastest 200km ride was on my Heron Road, which was a 
prototype that was built using the rear stays from the touring bike as that 
was all Waterford had at the time they built it. It also has a very heavy 
rear wheel and freewheel, and when you pick up the bike you can really feel 
how heavy the back end is, even without the steel-rail Brooks B-17 that 
used to be on it!

My Bleriot, which is very similar to the Sam H, was plenty stout (let's 
say, heavy) and I happily rode it on 200-600km rides with a wide range of 
average speeds. It's much more about the motor than the chassis, though as 
the comment on the Legolas points out, the handling has a big impact on 
long-distance comfort.

Ted Durant
Milwaukee, WI USA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Randonneuring Bike

[Toshi Takeuchi]

Yeah, I've ridden with Bill when he has ridden 4 different Riv models:

300k on a 700c A Homer Hilsen
200k on a 650b Sam H.
200k on a 700c Legolas
200k on a 700c Roadeo

I believe he also did a 200k on a Roadini, but I don't think I was on that
ride.  The only complaint that I ever recall is that the Legolas handling
is very responsive and for a long ride, it may require more attention than
riding the Roadeo/Sam/AHH, so it might not have been as pleasant. He might
have said that the Sam H. was a perfect brevet bike and that despite it
being heavier than other bikes he has ridden, he was fast on the bike and
rode one of, if not his fastest time for a 200k on the bike.

I'm sure we'll hear it from the horse's mouth soon enough :).

Toshi in Oakland


On Tue, Aug 23, 2022 at 1:24 PM Eric Marth  wrote:

> I'm surprised that Bill Lindsay, a board member who's done a lot of
> brevets on a lot of different Rivs, hasn't written in.
>
> Seems to me that from the current lineup a Homer or Sam would be a great
> way to go given rack mounts as well as tire and fender clearances. Looking
> further back in the catalog perhaps a Saluki or Bleriot would be solid
> choices as well.
>
> On the Velo Orange blog the other day there was a post titled "What Makes
> a Good Rando Bike?" Worthwhile read:
> https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2022/08/what-makes-good-rando-bike.html
>
> On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 9:51:29 PM UTC-4 Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA
> wrote:
>
>> The best Rivendell for brevets is obviously a custom Rivendell designed
>> for brevets. I understand the waiting list isn't crazy long. :)
>>
>> I've done a few 200k and populaires, and had taken everything from my
>> custom Rivendell that was designed for brevets, to my commuter Toyo
>> Atlantis complete with front and rear racks, fenders, dynamo lighting and
>> brevet-approved boxy front bag. I even rode a Jan Heine-archetype Boulder
>> Cycles bike with "skinny tubing" to see if a planing frame with low trail
>> geometry is the bee's knees. It's all doable, as long as you have the
>> mental fortitude, physical fitness, and correct "comfort" bike fit. The
>> speeds *will* be different, but randonneuring is never about all-out
>> speed; randonneuring is about finishing within the time limit, having fun,
>> and perhaps having a bit of self-discovery and introspection.
>>
>> As others have pointed out, remaining comfortable (particularly with the
>> contact points) and having a reliable bike are two critical factors that a
>> bike can make. I'll also add that one shouldn't skimp on tires, so that
>> eye-watering  spent on Rene Herse or other fast-rolling supple tires
>> will seem good value when you're wondering if you can make that last 20%.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 1:52:59 PM UTC-7 Dick Combs wrote:
>>
>>> Looking for opinions/thoughts on the best Riv for Brevets, 200-400K
>>> rides. Looking for current models as well as older models. Thanks
>>
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[RBW] Re: Randonneuring Bike

[Eric Marth]

I'm surprised that Bill Lindsay, a board member who's done a lot of brevets 
on a lot of different Rivs, hasn't written in. 

Seems to me that from the current lineup a Homer or Sam would be a great 
way to go given rack mounts as well as tire and fender clearances. Looking 
further back in the catalog perhaps a Saluki or Bleriot would be solid 
choices as well.

On the Velo Orange blog the other day there was a post titled "What Makes a 
Good Rando Bike?" Worthwhile read: 
https://velo-orange.blogspot.com/2022/08/what-makes-good-rando-bike.html 

On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 9:51:29 PM UTC-4 Benz Ouyang, Sunnyvale, CA 
wrote:

> The best Rivendell for brevets is obviously a custom Rivendell designed 
> for brevets. I understand the waiting list isn't crazy long. :)
>
> I've done a few 200k and populaires, and had taken everything from my 
> custom Rivendell that was designed for brevets, to my commuter Toyo 
> Atlantis complete with front and rear racks, fenders, dynamo lighting and 
> brevet-approved boxy front bag. I even rode a Jan Heine-archetype Boulder 
> Cycles bike with "skinny tubing" to see if a planing frame with low trail 
> geometry is the bee's knees. It's all doable, as long as you have the 
> mental fortitude, physical fitness, and correct "comfort" bike fit. The 
> speeds *will* be different, but randonneuring is never about all-out 
> speed; randonneuring is about finishing within the time limit, having fun, 
> and perhaps having a bit of self-discovery and introspection.
>
> As others have pointed out, remaining comfortable (particularly with the 
> contact points) and having a reliable bike are two critical factors that a 
> bike can make. I'll also add that one shouldn't skimp on tires, so that 
> eye-watering  spent on Rene Herse or other fast-rolling supple tires 
> will seem good value when you're wondering if you can make that last 20%.
>
> Good luck!
>
> On Thursday, August 18, 2022 at 1:52:59 PM UTC-7 Dick Combs wrote:
>
>> Looking for opinions/thoughts on the best Riv for Brevets, 200-400K 
>> rides. Looking for current models as well as older models. Thanks
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rolling on the Rivendell Mountain

[Ryan]

Classics! To Reginald: at the risk of asking a dumb question..what is that 
mirror-like thing clipped to the top tube behind the headset?

On Sunday, August 21, 2022 at 10:35:11 PM UTC-5 R. Alexis wrote:

> Did the Corporate Cycling Challenge today, 
> https://showofficeonline.com/CorporateCyclingChallenge/. Decided to use 
> the Rivendell Mountain to do it based on wanting as comfortable a bike as 
> possible. Hadn't been on it in a while with having several bikes and the 
> Rivendell needing some attention. It sill does, but it did the job fine. 
> Did have a slight mechanical. The Mavic bottom bracket non-drive side came 
> loose causing the left left crankarm to slightly rub the chainstay. Got it 
> hand tightened a couple times and gingerly rode it the 12 or so remaining 
> miles of 42 back. 
>
> Reginald Alexis 
>
>
> [image: image00 (13).jpg]
>

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Re: [RBW] pm sentRe: FS: Brooks saddles

[jamin orrall]

pm sent

On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 10:38:24 AM UTC-7 Taylor M wrote:

> Some nibbles, no bites, so dropping the price of the B17 to $160 shipped 
> CONUS. PayPal FF or Venmo.
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:50:39 PM UTC-4 Taylor M wrote:
>
>> C17 has been claimed. B17 is still available.
>>
>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:18:02 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Email sent!
>>>
>>> On Aug 19, 2022, at 1:20 PM, Taylor M  wrote:
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_4361.jpg]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 1:20:13 PM UTC-4 Taylor M wrote:
>>>
 [image: IMG_4360.jpg]

 On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 1:19:28 PM UTC-4 Taylor M wrote:

> Now that I've landed on the saddle that works best for me with an 
> upright riding position, I'd like the ones I tried to find new homes.
>
> Paypal or Venmo
>
> *Brooks C17 Carved Chris King Grey Turquoise*
> Installed and used on one short ride, like new
> $85 shipped CONUS
>
> *Brooks B17 Special Titanium*
> Applied Obenauf's once
> Installed and used a few times, some light marks
> $175 shipped CONUS
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Brooks saddles

[Taylor M]

Some nibbles, no bites, so dropping the price of the B17 to $160 shipped 
CONUS. PayPal FF or Venmo.
On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:50:39 PM UTC-4 Taylor M wrote:

> C17 has been claimed. B17 is still available.
>
> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 2:18:02 PM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Email sent!
>>
>> On Aug 19, 2022, at 1:20 PM, Taylor M  wrote:
>>
>> [image: IMG_4361.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 1:20:13 PM UTC-4 Taylor M wrote:
>>
>>> [image: IMG_4360.jpg]
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 19, 2022 at 1:19:28 PM UTC-4 Taylor M wrote:
>>>
 Now that I've landed on the saddle that works best for me with an 
 upright riding position, I'd like the ones I tried to find new homes.

 Paypal or Venmo

 *Brooks C17 Carved Chris King Grey Turquoise*
 Installed and used on one short ride, like new
 $85 shipped CONUS

 *Brooks B17 Special Titanium*
 Applied Obenauf's once
 Installed and used a few times, some light marks
 $175 shipped CONUS


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[RBW] Re: FS: Lots of Rivendell parts

[jeffbog...@hotmail.com]

Thanks for all the interest. The following items are still available and 
prices reduced:

Shimano Dura Ace 9 speed bar end shifters w/ downtube stops - $65
Nitto Albatross Chromoly Handlebar - $50
King SS cages w/ Soma water bottles - $35/both
IRD thumb mount with silver shifter (right/rear) - $35
Microshift rear derailleur - $25
Tektro interrupter brake levers - $10
Mini Bell (clips to road levers or brake housing) - $10

Jeff

On Monday, 22 August 2022 at 13:30:10 UTC-5 jeffbog...@hotmail.com wrote:

> I bought a lightly used Atlantis recently (<1000 miles) and only needed 
> the frame, so here are the extra parts that hopefully can be put to use:
>
> Shimano Dura Ace 9 speed bar end shifters w/ downtube stops - $70
> Nitto Albatross Chromoly Handlebar - $50
> King SS cages w/ Soma water bottles - $40/both
> Schwalbe Supreme 700x40 kevlar tires - $40/both
> IRD thumb mount with silver shifter (right/rear) - $40
> Microshift rear derailleur - $30
> Shimano R550 silver brake levers - $20
> XT front derailleur - $20
> Tektro cantilevers front+rear - $20
> Tektro interrupter brake levers - $10
> Mini Bell (clips to road levers or brake housing) - $10
>
> If interested, please send a PM with your zip code so I can work out the 
> shipping. Thanks!
>
> Jeff
> (Alabama)
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

[Ginz]

I have always done rapid rise and I find that it provides the most benefit 
with indexed shifting.  Beware of switching to rapid rise later in life.  
You may be permanently confused  about which way to shift, whether you use 
STI, rapid fire, grip shift, or thumbies.  With bar ends or any friction 
setup, I find I can adapt easily between rapid and non-rapid rise for some 
reason.  



On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 10:04:51 AM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> Ha! Yeah I'm a little excessive with my cable run, its been a minute since 
> I set this up. Haven't gotten caught on anything yet! 
>
> as far as the cassette goes, its a 9 spd shimano xt, 11-34/36 (can't 
> remember exactly how big it is and I'm away from the bike, but in the 30's 
> somewhere... I wanna say its the 36). I'm probably maxing out what the 
> derailer is capable of in terms of size, I remember being a little 
> concerned if it would work when I first put it on but its been smooth and 
> no problems. 
>
> Also on the front end I'm using the riv silver jis square taper wide/low 
> (38/24) double crankset, which I've been very pleased with as well both 
> aesthetically and functionally. 
>
> -Stephen
> On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 7:47:00 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Stephen, that's the same XTR I had and parted with. What size is your 
>> cassette? 
>>
>> I agree, my first ride with the rapid rise was not a religious 
>> experience. 
>>
>> I think you can run a shorter piece of housing back there. I believe the 
>> pivoting cable stop that feeds the cable pulley is designed to minimize the 
>> run of cable and housing over the dropout. Eben Weiss/Bike Snob has the 
>> same derailer as yours and posted something about running a longer, then 
>> shorter piece of housing but now I can't find it. I did find a picture, 
>> though. 
>>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-08-23 at 7.35.14 AM.png]
>> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 9:49:29 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-08-22 at 9.41.11 PM.png]
>>> I got this xtr at a swap meet last year and have been a big fan. Before 
>>> I was running a deore like the one in russ' video. This is on my 2020 
>>> appaloosa with riversed silver thumbie shifters currently set up on 
>>> bullmooses but I also swap out to loscos sometimes. I'm a big fan of it, 
>>> though I'd agree with path less pedaled in saying its not mind blowing. I 
>>> think it shifts great, I love the style of this era xtr. Haven't noticed 
>>> any issues yet in terms of the spring not giving a snappy enough shift, but 
>>> I definitely have had the beneficial ghost shift going uphill in the 
>>> mountains since installing.
>>>
>>> Stephen
>>> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 9:20:47 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 JJ thanks for sharing your experiences across several RR mechs, that's 
 a lot of sampling. Sounds like you've found cage movement that works for 
 you! Dig the pic as well, thank you. I agree the red decal is a bit much. 
 Perhaps I'll scrape it off. 

 Johnny, thanks for the link, that is an in-depth look at derailers I'd 
 kind of forgotten about. It's a long one so here are some tidbits about 
 cost and arrival, which I'm sure will change:

 *6. How much will it cost?*

 a. We don't know. Ideally we'll have a fancy first model, the SILVER 
 OM-1; and then cheaper other models, maybe OM-2, OM-3. Maybe $300 for a 
 fancy, and $30 for a plain? We have zero idea, but a derailer too 
 expensive 
 to buy is no fun and misses the point; and a super cheap derailer that 
 doesn't account for the cost of developing and making it is ... not gonna 
 happen. We'll just see.

 *11. When?*

 a. We're hoping the fancy by Spring 2023, and the plain by Fall 2023.

 On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 8:00:40 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Riv is indeed making different tiers. I believe Grant said he wanted 
> the top level to be around $300 but a plain jane low level version for 
> something like $30.
>
>
> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/grant-petersens-blog/late-may-silver-is-a-bugger-and-the-last-good-looking-rear-derailer
>
> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 7:40:55 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:
>
>> I've been exclusively running low normal for a few years. Here's a 
>> pic of the XT M770 on my Hunqapillar. When I first started using Rapid 
>> Rise 
>> I had a few muscle memory misfires (getting the opposite of what I 
>> wanted 
>> when I moved the shift lever). It lasted a couple of weeks, but then it 
>> was 
>> like a flipping a switch in my brain and motor coordination. The logic 
>> just 
>> made so much sense, especially the consistency in left and right 
>> shifting, 
>> easier in one direction, harder in the other, on both sides. I run them 
>> with friction shifters only. It's like second nature.
>>
>> I've tried XTR 970, 960, 950 

Re: [RBW] Do you Rapid Rise? (Share pics and thoughts)

[Stephen]

Ha! Yeah I'm a little excessive with my cable run, its been a minute since 
I set this up. Haven't gotten caught on anything yet! 

as far as the cassette goes, its a 9 spd shimano xt, 11-34/36 (can't 
remember exactly how big it is and I'm away from the bike, but in the 30's 
somewhere... I wanna say its the 36). I'm probably maxing out what the 
derailer is capable of in terms of size, I remember being a little 
concerned if it would work when I first put it on but its been smooth and 
no problems. 

Also on the front end I'm using the riv silver jis square taper wide/low 
(38/24) double crankset, which I've been very pleased with as well both 
aesthetically and functionally. 

-Stephen
On Tuesday, August 23, 2022 at 7:47:00 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Stephen, that's the same XTR I had and parted with. What size is your 
> cassette? 
>
> I agree, my first ride with the rapid rise was not a religious experience. 
>
> I think you can run a shorter piece of housing back there. I believe the 
> pivoting cable stop that feeds the cable pulley is designed to minimize the 
> run of cable and housing over the dropout. Eben Weiss/Bike Snob has the 
> same derailer as yours and posted something about running a longer, then 
> shorter piece of housing but now I can't find it. I did find a picture, 
> though. 
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2022-08-23 at 7.35.14 AM.png]
> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 9:49:29 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:
>
>> [image: Screen Shot 2022-08-22 at 9.41.11 PM.png]
>> I got this xtr at a swap meet last year and have been a big fan. Before I 
>> was running a deore like the one in russ' video. This is on my 2020 
>> appaloosa with riversed silver thumbie shifters currently set up on 
>> bullmooses but I also swap out to loscos sometimes. I'm a big fan of it, 
>> though I'd agree with path less pedaled in saying its not mind blowing. I 
>> think it shifts great, I love the style of this era xtr. Haven't noticed 
>> any issues yet in terms of the spring not giving a snappy enough shift, but 
>> I definitely have had the beneficial ghost shift going uphill in the 
>> mountains since installing.
>>
>> Stephen
>> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 9:20:47 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> JJ thanks for sharing your experiences across several RR mechs, that's a 
>>> lot of sampling. Sounds like you've found cage movement that works for you! 
>>> Dig the pic as well, thank you. I agree the red decal is a bit much. 
>>> Perhaps I'll scrape it off. 
>>>
>>> Johnny, thanks for the link, that is an in-depth look at derailers I'd 
>>> kind of forgotten about. It's a long one so here are some tidbits about 
>>> cost and arrival, which I'm sure will change:
>>>
>>> *6. How much will it cost?*
>>>
>>> a. We don't know. Ideally we'll have a fancy first model, the SILVER 
>>> OM-1; and then cheaper other models, maybe OM-2, OM-3. Maybe $300 for a 
>>> fancy, and $30 for a plain? We have zero idea, but a derailer too expensive 
>>> to buy is no fun and misses the point; and a super cheap derailer that 
>>> doesn't account for the cost of developing and making it is ... not gonna 
>>> happen. We'll just see.
>>>
>>> *11. When?*
>>>
>>> a. We're hoping the fancy by Spring 2023, and the plain by Fall 2023.
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 8:00:40 PM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>>
 Riv is indeed making different tiers. I believe Grant said he wanted 
 the top level to be around $300 but a plain jane low level version for 
 something like $30.


 https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/grant-petersens-blog/late-may-silver-is-a-bugger-and-the-last-good-looking-rear-derailer

 On Monday, August 22, 2022 at 7:40:55 PM UTC-4 J J wrote:

> I've been exclusively running low normal for a few years. Here's a pic 
> of the XT M770 on my Hunqapillar. When I first started using Rapid Rise I 
> had a few muscle memory misfires (getting the opposite of what I wanted 
> when I moved the shift lever). It lasted a couple of weeks, but then it 
> was 
> like a flipping a switch in my brain and motor coordination. The logic 
> just 
> made so much sense, especially the consistency in left and right 
> shifting, 
> easier in one direction, harder in the other, on both sides. I run them 
> with friction shifters only. It's like second nature.
>
> I've tried XTR 970, 960, 950 series, LX and Deore models, and XT 760 
> and 770. I sold a few of my still-too-large hoard of Rapid Rise on this 
> forum. Never tried the Nexave. All of them felt good, the only 
> differences 
> being the typical Shimano hierarchical group gradations in materials, 
> design, refinement, weight, etc. I don't see myself going back to high 
> normal shifting. I've gotten rid of (almost) all of my high normal mechs.
>
> I have never experienced the issues that Eric (Norris) mentioned about 
> low normal RDs not functioning well if they get