Re: [RBW] FS: 1985 Ritchey Ascent (XXL/23”) – $1300

[Luke Hendrickson]

Price drop – $1175

On Monday, November 14, 2022 at 6:00:28 AM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:

> Yes, it is! Even says “Cunningham Design” on it. 
>
> On Sunday, November 13, 2022 at 8:52:06 PM UTC-8 cz...@sonic.net wrote:
>
>> If that's a Suntour roller cam brake, it would have been designed by 
>> Charlie Cunningham.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Corwin
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 10:25:10 AM UTC-8 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope cabin overnighter

[Junes]

Eric, thanks for the report. It was nicely structured and written with such gentle thoughtfulness. Thanks also for sharing your packing list in so much detail. I wonder if there have ever been recipe exchange threads on this forum: what to prepare to eat when you’re taking a ride on your Rivendell :) The scones and soup sounded delicious! Your report inspired a strong urge to ride. JimOn Nov 19, 2022, at 21:24, MoVelo  wrote:Excellent report. Thanks for sharing with us what sounds like an epic adventure.On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 3:15:59 PM UTC-6 alancrai...@gmail.com wrote:Great report. Sounds like a fantastic ride and near perfect accommodations for a rustic overnighter. Thanks for sharing! On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 6:44:49 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:Thanks, brizbarn. Overpacking is my strong suit regardless of where I'm going or for how long! I haven't been tested in a laboratory setting but I think I'm sweat at an unusually high rate. Has always been true of me. I was definitely quite thirsty at the end of the day and would have preferred to drink even more water as the cabin dried out from the woodstove. I have some sport tops but another personal sensory thing for me is drinking over plastic, I don't like it for hot or cold drinks and I prefer a metal edge. I didn't mind stopping a few times to swig some water while riding. I do wonder if maybe I was over dressed but I didn't feel like I was burning up, just sweating like mad. I might have liked a lighter sweater, something like the Wooly Warm jerseys but without the weird cut, fit and pockets (they're great, they just don't fit me right). The camp pillow is great. Could be a deal breaker for some due to weight but it compresses pretty well and it's very comfy, doesn't flatten out like some. Thanks for reading, Jake! And watching too!I appreciate it Roberta, that's quite kind of you to say!On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 1:31:50 PM UTC-5 brizbarn wrote:It's always easy to overpack, or at least feel like you did when you're pedaling up a hill.  I wouldn't say your pack list is overly excessive tho, it looks like everything fit in your bags just fine, which is a plus.  I'm tend to overflow my bags which are slightly smaller than yours on overnighters, but I'm usually glad I have everything that I packed.  On a recent overnighter I took a thicker, better R-value sleeping pad and that helped me sleep much better.  I also tried not to over-hydrate, which in the past I think I did often, especially later in the day.  This time paying attention to when I was actually thirsty, not just drinking a lot to "stay hydrated".  This NPR Life Kit busts some water drinking myths and was helpful for me.   A "sport top" on your Kleen Kanteen may be helpful for sipping while riding, and maybe a bottom downtube bottle cage to get some water weight lower down.  I ride with a front rando bag on my bike most of the time, which maybe acclimates me to having some weight up front on trips.  Being soaked in sweat on a cold day is never fun either, maybe too much wool while climbing?  Glad you were able to get comfy with the fire tho.  I might need to check out that camp pillow before next season.  Makes me want to try a cold weather trip! On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 9:57:09 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:Thank you Stephen, Ryan and Keith. It's my first trip, lots to learn and even un-learn! I'm glad we stuck it out for the weather. Will be all the better earlier in the season. But here in Virginia we could get some 70 degree days in December... On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 11:19:41 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:Hey Eric,Great ride report, really enjoyed reading it along with the previous day ride you posted! Love seeing reports of Appalachian overnighters. Having all that weight sure makes the ride harder, I got spanked last year taking my Joe on the Wilson's ramble in nc by naively planning my daily mileage based on how fast I ride unloaded.. ended up running low on food and shortening the route. Good for you getting out in the cold weather!cheers,StephenOn Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:11:40 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:Thank you all for the nice comments and for reading along. Dave — That was the most weight I've had in the front bag for anything more than a quick ride home from the co-op. It did effect the handling but I got used to it pretty quickly. There were a few times while climbing when I was trying to maneuver around a rock in the road and ended up kinda tipping over, no big deal. I'm eager to revise my packing to get the weight way down. I've attached a packing list that's accurate to the best of my memory. It's a lot. I'd also love to go rackless. I tried to mount the Chest from my saddle but couldn't get it all worked out. I've had parts laying around for a bootlegged Pec Deck for some time. Randy — It was certainly different than my last trip out of town with a fancy hotel stay for a wedding and paid for by my in-laws! On Friday, 

Re: [RBW] Knee Replacement

[Joe Bernard]

The thread has taken such a turn. If I ever need a knee or two replaced I 
have a whole Riv operating room now! ‍⚕️‍⚕️

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 6:27:27 PM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Jay Lonner, you must be Dr. Jay Lonner! Anesthesiology, I presume? Very 
> cool! It’s fun to discover who people are in their real lives. Ok, if I 
> ever need bilateral knee replacements, sign me up for the One and Done with 
> the Cadillac Option.
> Leah
>
> On Nov 19, 2022, at 8:11 PM, Jay Lonner  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Bilateral knee replacements are not uncommon, if patients are good 
> candidates. “Good candidate” is a catchall term for lots of intangibles, 
> such as patient motivation and expectations, medical comorbidities, at-home 
> support systems, etc. I would imagine that most Rivendell enthusiasts have 
> the health, motivation, and means to tolerate a bilateral procedure.
>
> For postop pain relief the Cadillac option is something called an adductor 
> canal catheter, which is basically an infusion of local anesthetic 
> (chemically similar to Novacaine, such as you’d receive for a dental 
> procedure) that lasts for up to three days. This targets sensory branches 
> of the femoral nerve, which is responsible for sensation of the anterior 
> thigh and knee. That’s where the incision is, so that’s where the bulk of 
> the pain is. There is also some pain in the back of the knee mediated by 
> the sciatic nerve, which is not affected by an adductor canal catheter, so 
> breakthrough pain can still be an issue. 
>
> If I personally needed both knees replaced I would have them done at the 
> same time. 
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Nov 19, 2022, at 3:23 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
> Rusty, no, I’ve never seen both at once. According to the internet it 
> *can* be done, but you need to have some specific things going your way to 
> get your surgeon to say yes. 
>
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 6:01:48 PM UTC-5 Rusty Click wrote:
>
>> I am bone on bone in both knees after five arthroscopic procedures.   I 
>> think I will try another round of "knee lube" injections to get me thru 
>> guiding a few trips this spring, then riding RAGBRAI in July.  After that, 
>> I'm consulting with the doc about doing both knees at the same time.  Leah, 
>> do any patients get both done at once?
>>
>> I'll be waiting to hear/read how recovery goes Richard.  Good Luck,
>>
>> Rusty
>> Pgh, PA
>>
>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 5:39:49 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Come on over! I’ll get you squared away!
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:06 PM, David Person  wrote:
>>>
>>> Can't think of a better way to drift off prior to surgery than sharing 
>>> Riv stories with my nurse.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 10:07:13 AM UTC-8 Ken Mattina wrote:
>>>
 As someone with osteoarthritis in both knees, I feel your pain.

 No knee replacements yet. So far, a change in diet and rehab has 
 delayed it.

 Good luck. I hope you feel better soon.

 On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 6:04 AM Richard Borneman  
 wrote:

> Anyone here had a knee replaced? How long till you could ride again?
> My right knee is killing me. I've put it off as long as I could. It's 
> almost time.
> Richard
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[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[Chris L]

I would say the Appaloosa.  I don't know the tube specs on the Hunqapillar 
but I've seen them for one run of the Appaloosa and I'm pretty sure the 
Hunq has lighter tubes.  

Last time I looked at Appaloosa geometry in my size (54-55cm), the 
Appaloosa was pretty much a longer chainstay Hunqapillar.  

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 10:41:26 AM UTC-6 jcbrya...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Everyone choosing the Hunqapillar makes me mighty envious, especially 
> since those are long gone. To all the Hunq owners: what bike in Riv's 
> current catalog fills that role now? Is it the Appaloosa, their 
> heavier-duty road touring frame? Or is the Hunqapillar the genetic 
> precursor to the current iteration of the Atlantis? It looks to be a cool 
> bike that represents the transition between classic Riv geometry and the 
> more extreme long wheelbase swoopy bikes they're making now. Interesting to 
> see how the bikes and designs have evolved over time.
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 9:38:23 AM UTC-6 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I'm a serious under-biker, so I'd probably pick a Roadini or A Homer 
>> Hilsen.   For years I only owned a single road bike as my do-it-tall bike. 
>> My touring frame takes at most 32mm tires but I'd actually tour on 25mm 
>> tires. Everywhere I rode people would swear up and down that I needed a 
>> mountain bike to do certain rides I was planning on doing, and yet I'd 
>> manage to ride just fine. I finally ordered a pair of Continental 
>> TerraSpeed, and I'm going to look forward to tackling certain rides that 
>> I'd previously done on the mountain bike with a much ligher, more agile 
>> bike --- the Roadini.
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 1:35:25 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> The threads on Platypus versus [name] and using versus "saving" your 
>>> Rivendell raises an interesting if (fortunately!) academic question: if you 
>>> could have only 1 Rivendell as your only bicycle, and that Rivendell had to 
>>> serve all purposes -- fast pavement, commuting, errand loads, at least 
>>> light dirt and gravel: what model would you choose and how would you build 
>>> and equip it?
>>>
>>> I'm fortunate to have a bike for each of my purposes, except a 
>>> theft-be-damned but fun to ride grocery beater, which I hope to add to the 
>>> collection*, but if I had to choose just 1 and that a Riv, it would be my 
>>> gofast with a second set of wheels shod with 42 mm Naches Passes (which fit 
>>> with room to spare under the front normal reach single pivot) but not bolt 
>>> anything else to the Riv. Lights: I have an excellent B Ixon IQ Premium 
>>> which puts out at least as much brightness and has a nicer beam pattern 
>>> than my Edeluxe I, and Cateye clamps are cheap and easy to find. There are 
>>> all sorts of bright, strap-on blinkies for the rear. I'd rig up a QR for my 
>>> Saddlesack Medium and attach it with the Nitto standoff only as needed, and 
>>> augment it with a courier bag in 1 of 3 sizes. I'd get some clip-on, easy 
>>> on/off fenders, shorties if need be -- hell, this is New Mexico. 
>>>
>>> Wheels: Actually, I might do as I did decades ago when I tried to make a 
>>> mountain bike do triple duty with 3 wheelsets: gofast with 23 mm tires and 
>>> 12-19 (7-sp) cassette, commuting with 35 mm tires with 13-21, and off road 
>>> with knobbies and 14-28. The Phil fixed/fixed with Elk Pass would keep the 
>>> 17/19 Dingle and the 28 mm Elk Passes, but I'd have another Elk Pass rear 
>>> for the TC fixed hub with 17 t cog for 76" direct and 66" underdrive; and 
>>> then I'd have a third wheeset for Naches Passes with the fixed TF hub with 
>>> a 19 t cog and the Naches Passes for 70" and 52"; good pavement-to-moderate 
>>> dirt ratios.
>>>
>>> Of course, I'd have to overcome the scruple of keeping this bike 
>>> pristine  Funny, I usually take a brief detour for a mile or 
>>>  mile-and-a-half along a very busy 6-lane when I ride North from my house 
>>> because the direct route is dusty, sandy crusher fine. Would have to 
>>> strenuously overcome that vice.
>>>
>>> * Actually, one reason for this 5th beater bike would be just the fun of 
>>> building up a bike that rides nice and meets my gearing and handling 
>>> preferences at the lowest possible price.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> ---
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>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
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[RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[James]

That's my dream ride.  The 62 Appaloosa is a touch large for me, and i'd 
love a single top tube.  Looks like a 61cm?  What's your PBH?

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 8:27:13 PM UTC-5 jeffbog...@hotmail.com 
wrote:

> [image: 9A9D2B46-EFDC-42B6-BF27-8B0F47E922AE.jpeg]
> Here is my n=1; it's a 2011 Toyo Atlantis and it is PERFECT (for me)
>
> Jeff
> Fairhope, AL
> On Wednesday, 16 November 2022 at 15:35:25 UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> The threads on Platypus versus [name] and using versus "saving" your 
>> Rivendell raises an interesting if (fortunately!) academic question: if you 
>> could have only 1 Rivendell as your only bicycle, and that Rivendell had to 
>> serve all purposes -- fast pavement, commuting, errand loads, at least 
>> light dirt and gravel: what model would you choose and how would you build 
>> and equip it?
>>
>> I'm fortunate to have a bike for each of my purposes, except a 
>> theft-be-damned but fun to ride grocery beater, which I hope to add to the 
>> collection*, but if I had to choose just 1 and that a Riv, it would be my 
>> gofast with a second set of wheels shod with 42 mm Naches Passes (which fit 
>> with room to spare under the front normal reach single pivot) but not bolt 
>> anything else to the Riv. Lights: I have an excellent B Ixon IQ Premium 
>> which puts out at least as much brightness and has a nicer beam pattern 
>> than my Edeluxe I, and Cateye clamps are cheap and easy to find. There are 
>> all sorts of bright, strap-on blinkies for the rear. I'd rig up a QR for my 
>> Saddlesack Medium and attach it with the Nitto standoff only as needed, and 
>> augment it with a courier bag in 1 of 3 sizes. I'd get some clip-on, easy 
>> on/off fenders, shorties if need be -- hell, this is New Mexico. 
>>
>> Wheels: Actually, I might do as I did decades ago when I tried to make a 
>> mountain bike do triple duty with 3 wheelsets: gofast with 23 mm tires and 
>> 12-19 (7-sp) cassette, commuting with 35 mm tires with 13-21, and off road 
>> with knobbies and 14-28. The Phil fixed/fixed with Elk Pass would keep the 
>> 17/19 Dingle and the 28 mm Elk Passes, but I'd have another Elk Pass rear 
>> for the TC fixed hub with 17 t cog for 76" direct and 66" underdrive; and 
>> then I'd have a third wheeset for Naches Passes with the fixed TF hub with 
>> a 19 t cog and the Naches Passes for 70" and 52"; good pavement-to-moderate 
>> dirt ratios.
>>
>> Of course, I'd have to overcome the scruple of keeping this bike pristine 
>>  Funny, I usually take a brief detour for a mile or  mile-and-a-half 
>> along a very busy 6-lane when I ride North from my house because the direct 
>> route is dusty, sandy crusher fine. Would have to strenuously overcome that 
>> vice.
>>
>> * Actually, one reason for this 5th beater bike would be just the fun of 
>> building up a bike that rides nice and meets my gearing and handling 
>> preferences at the lowest possible price.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Knee Replacement

[Leah Peterson]

Jay Lonner, you must be Dr. Jay Lonner! Anesthesiology, I presume? Very cool! It’s fun to discover who people are in their real lives. Ok, if I ever need bilateral knee replacements, sign me up for the One and Done with the Cadillac Option.LeahOn Nov 19, 2022, at 8:11 PM, Jay Lonner  wrote:Bilateral knee replacements are not uncommon, if patients are good candidates. “Good candidate” is a catchall term for lots of intangibles, such as patient motivation and expectations, medical comorbidities, at-home support systems, etc. I would imagine that most Rivendell enthusiasts have the health, motivation, and means to tolerate a bilateral procedure.For postop pain relief the Cadillac option is something called an adductor canal catheter, which is basically an infusion of local anesthetic (chemically similar to Novacaine, such as you’d receive for a dental procedure) that lasts for up to three days. This targets sensory branches of the femoral nerve, which is responsible for sensation of the anterior thigh and knee. That’s where the incision is, so that’s where the bulk of the pain is. There is also some pain in the back of the knee mediated by the sciatic nerve, which is not affected by an adductor canal catheter, so breakthrough pain can still be an issue. If I personally needed both knees replaced I would have them done at the same time. Jay LonnerBellingham, WASent from my Atari 400On Nov 19, 2022, at 3:23 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:Rusty, no, I’ve never seen both at once. According to the internet it *can* be done, but you need to have some specific things going your way to get your surgeon to say yes. On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 6:01:48 PM UTC-5 Rusty Click wrote:I am bone on bone in both knees after five arthroscopic procedures.   I think I will try another round of "knee lube" injections to get me thru guiding a few trips this spring, then riding RAGBRAI in July.  After that, I'm consulting with the doc about doing both knees at the same time.  Leah, do any patients get both done at once?I'll be waiting to hear/read how recovery goes Richard.  Good Luck,RustyPgh, PAOn Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 5:39:49 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Come on over! I’ll get you squared away!Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 19, 2022, at 2:06 PM, David Person  wrote:Can't think of a better way to drift off prior to surgery than sharing Riv stories with my nurse.On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 10:07:13 AM UTC-8 Ken Mattina wrote:As someone with osteoarthritis in both knees, I feel your pain.No knee replacements yet. So far, a change in diet and rehab has delayed it.Good luck. I hope you feel better soon.On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 6:04 AM Richard Borneman  wrote:Anyone here had a knee replaced? How long till you could ride again?My right knee is killing me. I've put it off as long as I could. It's almost time.Richard



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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope cabin overnighter

[MoVelo]

Excellent report. Thanks for sharing with us what sounds like an epic 
adventure.

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 3:15:59 PM UTC-6 alancrai...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Great report. Sounds like a fantastic ride and near perfect accommodations 
> for a rustic overnighter. Thanks for sharing! 
>
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 6:44:49 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks, brizbarn. Overpacking is my strong suit regardless of where I'm 
>> going or for how long! 
>>
>> I haven't been tested in a laboratory setting but I think I'm sweat at an 
>> unusually high rate. Has always been true of me. I was definitely quite 
>> thirsty at the end of the day and would have preferred to drink even more 
>> water as the cabin dried out from the woodstove. I have some sport tops but 
>> another personal sensory thing for me is drinking over plastic, I don't 
>> like it for hot or cold drinks and I prefer a metal edge. I didn't mind 
>> stopping a few times to swig some water while riding. 
>>
>> I do wonder if maybe I was over dressed but I didn't feel like I was 
>> burning up, just sweating like mad. I might have liked a lighter sweater, 
>> something like the Wooly Warm jerseys but without the weird cut, fit and 
>> pockets (they're great, they just don't fit me right). 
>>
>> The camp pillow is great. Could be a deal breaker for some due to weight 
>> but it compresses pretty well and it's very comfy, doesn't flatten out like 
>> some. 
>>
>>
>> Thanks for reading, Jake! And watching too!
>>
>>
>> I appreciate it Roberta, that's quite kind of you to say!
>>
>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 1:31:50 PM UTC-5 brizbarn wrote:
>>
>>> It's always easy to overpack, or at least feel like you did when you're 
>>> pedaling up a hill.  I wouldn't say your pack list is overly excessive tho, 
>>> it looks like everything fit in your bags just fine, which is a plus.  I'm 
>>> tend to overflow my bags which are slightly smaller than yours on 
>>> overnighters, but I'm usually glad I have everything that I packed.  On a 
>>> recent overnighter I took a thicker, better R-value sleeping pad and that 
>>> helped me sleep much better.  I also tried not to over-hydrate, which in 
>>> the past I think I did often, especially later in the day.  This time 
>>> paying attention to when I was actually thirsty, not just drinking a lot to 
>>> "stay hydrated".  This NPR Life Kit 
>>> busts some water drinking 
>>> myths and was helpful for me.   A "sport top" on your Kleen Kanteen may be 
>>> helpful for sipping while riding, and maybe a bottom downtube bottle cage 
>>> to get some water weight lower down.  I ride with a front rando bag on my 
>>> bike most of the time, which maybe acclimates me to having some weight up 
>>> front on trips.  Being soaked in sweat on a cold day is never fun either, 
>>> maybe too much wool while climbing?  Glad you were able to get comfy with 
>>> the fire tho.  I might need to check out that camp pillow before next 
>>> season.  Makes me want to try a cold weather trip! 
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 9:57:09 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thank you Stephen, Ryan and Keith. 

 It's my first trip, lots to learn and even un-learn! I'm glad we stuck 
 it out for the weather. Will be all the better earlier in the season. But 
 here in Virginia we could get some 70 degree days in December... 

 On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 11:19:41 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:

> Hey Eric,
>
> Great ride report, really enjoyed reading it along with the previous 
> day ride you posted! Love seeing reports of Appalachian overnighters. 
> Having all that weight sure makes the ride harder, I got spanked last 
> year 
> taking my Joe on the Wilson's ramble in nc by naively planning my daily 
> mileage based on how fast I ride unloaded.. ended up running low on food 
> and shortening the route. Good for you getting out in the cold weather!
>
> cheers,
>
> Stephen
>
> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:11:40 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Thank you all for the nice comments and for reading along. 
>>
>> Dave — That was the most weight I've had in the front bag for 
>> anything more than a quick ride home from the co-op. It did effect the 
>> handling but I got used to it pretty quickly. There were a few times 
>> while 
>> climbing when I was trying to maneuver around a rock in the road and 
>> ended 
>> up kinda tipping over, no big deal. 
>>
>> I'm eager to revise my packing to get the weight way down. I've 
>> attached a packing list that's accurate to the best of my memory. It's a 
>> lot. I'd also love to go rackless. I tried to mount the Chest from my 
>> saddle but couldn't get it all worked out. I've had parts laying around 
>> for 
>> a bootlegged Pec Deck for some time. 
>>

Re: [RBW] Knee Replacement

[Jay Lonner]

Bilateral knee replacements are not uncommon, if patients are good candidates. “Good candidate” is a catchall term for lots of intangibles, such as patient motivation and expectations, medical comorbidities, at-home support systems, etc. I would imagine that most Rivendell enthusiasts have the health, motivation, and means to tolerate a bilateral procedure.For postop pain relief the Cadillac option is something called an adductor canal catheter, which is basically an infusion of local anesthetic (chemically similar to Novacaine, such as you’d receive for a dental procedure) that lasts for up to three days. This targets sensory branches of the femoral nerve, which is responsible for sensation of the anterior thigh and knee. That’s where the incision is, so that’s where the bulk of the pain is. There is also some pain in the back of the knee mediated by the sciatic nerve, which is not affected by an adductor canal catheter, so breakthrough pain can still be an issue. If I personally needed both knees replaced I would have them done at the same time. Jay LonnerBellingham, WASent from my Atari 400On Nov 19, 2022, at 3:23 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:Rusty, no, I’ve never seen both at once. According to the internet it *can* be done, but you need to have some specific things going your way to get your surgeon to say yes. On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 6:01:48 PM UTC-5 Rusty Click wrote:I am bone on bone in both knees after five arthroscopic procedures.   I think I will try another round of "knee lube" injections to get me thru guiding a few trips this spring, then riding RAGBRAI in July.  After that, I'm consulting with the doc about doing both knees at the same time.  Leah, do any patients get both done at once?I'll be waiting to hear/read how recovery goes Richard.  Good Luck,RustyPgh, PAOn Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 5:39:49 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Come on over! I’ll get you squared away!Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 19, 2022, at 2:06 PM, David Person  wrote:Can't think of a better way to drift off prior to surgery than sharing Riv stories with my nurse.On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 10:07:13 AM UTC-8 Ken Mattina wrote:As someone with osteoarthritis in both knees, I feel your pain.No knee replacements yet. So far, a change in diet and rehab has delayed it.Good luck. I hope you feel better soon.On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 6:04 AM Richard Borneman  wrote:Anyone here had a knee replaced? How long till you could ride again?My right knee is killing me. I've put it off as long as I could. It's almost time.Richard



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Re: [RBW] Re: The do-it-all Rivendell of choice

[J J]

@scottluly  thanks for your note. The 24F/36R ration is important to me for 
a few reasons, a few scenarios. It's there when I need it.  It gives me the 
proverbial bailout gear. It allows me to tackle steep, long climbs if I'm 
otherwise fatigued or in pain. It's easier on my knees and back. It helps 
when I haul very heavy loads up hills (75, 80 pounds is not unusual). It 
helps me get through slogs when I can balance pedaling anaerobically with 
going aerobic. I have as much high gearing as I practically need for the 
riding I do with the 46 big ring and 11 tooth rear, and I'm not interested 
in competitive riding, even "friendly" competition (I ignore riding mates 
who try to foment that dynamic!). It's handy to have the wide range. I see 
no down side to the super low gearing even if I don't use it much. I'm glad 
to have it when need arises though. I can only speak for myself, though! 
Everybody has their own needs and desires.

As an aside, I have not warmed up to 1x gearing even though I get why folks 
swear by it. I like triples.

I hope this was helpful, but if you were looking for something else, let me 
know.

Best wishes.

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 2:51:45 PM UTC-5 Scott wrote:

> @junes1junes, I'm building an Atlantis that I hope to use here and there 
> loaded for dirt touring and bike packing. At this point, I'm undecided on 
> gearing and your gearing raised my brows. On my MTB I run 26 front and 32 
> rear (as my lowest gear ratio) and that feels on the verge of spin out.
>
> Any thoughts on where your 24 front/36 rear combo shines and why you run 
> it?
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Scott
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 06:41:23 AM MST, J J  
> wrote: 
>
>
>
> I, too, would choose my Hunqapillar. The setup would be generally what I 
> am currently running on my green Waterford-built 58:
>
>- Upright, wide, swept-back bars with mirror and bell
>- Low gearing (triple with 24 tooth smallest in front, 9-speed with at 
>least 36 tooth biggest in back)
>- Rapid Rise RD
>- Friction thumb shifting
>- Tires no smaller than 50mm
>- Cantilever brakes
>- B67 saddle
>- Robust wheels with at least 36 spokes; dynamo hub
>- Good lights
>- Flat pedals
>- Rear rack
>
> I could get particular about specific components; they would just have to 
> fit these general parameters. The main thing is the Hunq itself. The  more 
> examples of other bikes I’ve ridden — including other Rivs —  the more 
> attached I get to the Hunq as a do-it-all. The other bikes seem to have too 
> much or too little of something relative to the Hunq. They might be fun, 
> interesting, comfortable, capable, whatever, but they feel compromised or 
> annoying in some way, big or small. The Hunq compromises nothing to me and 
> riding it puts me in a happy place.
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 7:41:29 AM UTC-5 captaincon...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
> I nominate my 650b Hunqapillar.  It's the most comfortable bike I've 
> ridden, and it's geometry doesn't seem to be intended for drops, flat, or 
> upright handlebars--it feels different but good with each.
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 6:35:43 AM UTC-6 Chris L wrote:
>
> [image: 20210614_081755.jpg]
>
> On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 1:20:20 AM UTC-6 Luke Hendrickson wrote:
>
> This is a fun one! I guess that I’ll kinda cop out and say that what I 
> have now is what I’d run as a do-it-all. I really like the Gus but I see it 
> as a 75% unpaved sorta bike which is why I’m pretty happy with my Atlantis. 
> I live and ride in San Francisco and so see a lot of elevation changes both 
> while commuting and while riding aimlessly. Thus my current setup (44-32-22 
> up front, 12-32 in the rear) allows me to take on the steepest San 
> Francisco hill and gnarliest unpaved route in Marin.
>
> The addition of the basket has made it a true quiver killer in my eyes and 
> makes me so happy that I no longer view baskets with disdain. I was sorely 
> missing out. I’ve been a long time admirer (I saw my first Riv in 2008) but 
> I’m a new owner (August of this year). I’m sure my answer will change over 
> time, but, for now, the Atlantis is all that I need. 
>
> Also also: I just did the attached route and featured a lot of rough 
> terrain with the final 40 miles being exclusively paved. The Atlantis was 
> supremely comfortable on all of it. 
>
> On Wednesday, November 16, 2022 at 8:15:13 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I have one Riv that already does all this, but I'm cheating the premise of 
> the thread cuz it's a custom I had built for the purpose. So I'll shift my 
> answer to: What if I didn't have a car and part of the ride to go shopping 
> included gnarly singletrack! 
>
> Ok the answer is Gus Boots-Willsen. I'd move most of my parts over:
> SRAM 1x11 drivetrain
> Sugino 152mm 36t cranks (maybe a smaller front ring, I don't care much 
> about spinning out)
> Deity pedals 
> WI rear hub
> Velocity Atlas rims
> Bosco 

[RBW] Re: FS: Campagnolo Veloce Silver 10 speed Clamp on Front Derailleur - SOLD

[Rob Collard]

Campagnolo Veloce Silver 10 speed Clamp on Front Derailleur is SOLD.

Thank you.

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 5:39:52 PM UTC-5 Rob Collard wrote:

> For Sale: Campagnolo Veloce Silver 10 speed Clamp on Front Derailleur 
>
> This front derailleur was from a 2020 Rivendell Roadini build. I had a 
> nine speed set up and this front derailleur worked well.
>
> About 2800 road miles. Great condition. Asking $30 plus shipping.
>
> Rob Collard
> Buffalo, NY
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Knee Replacement

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Rusty, no, I’ve never seen both at once. According to the internet it *can* 
be done, but you need to have some specific things going your way to get 
your surgeon to say yes. 

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 6:01:48 PM UTC-5 Rusty Click wrote:

> I am bone on bone in both knees after five arthroscopic procedures.   I 
> think I will try another round of "knee lube" injections to get me thru 
> guiding a few trips this spring, then riding RAGBRAI in July.  After that, 
> I'm consulting with the doc about doing both knees at the same time.  Leah, 
> do any patients get both done at once?
>
> I'll be waiting to hear/read how recovery goes Richard.  Good Luck,
>
> Rusty
> Pgh, PA
>
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 5:39:49 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Come on over! I’ll get you squared away!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:06 PM, David Person  wrote:
>>
>> Can't think of a better way to drift off prior to surgery than sharing 
>> Riv stories with my nurse.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 10:07:13 AM UTC-8 Ken Mattina wrote:
>>
>>> As someone with osteoarthritis in both knees, I feel your pain.
>>>
>>> No knee replacements yet. So far, a change in diet and rehab has delayed 
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Good luck. I hope you feel better soon.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 6:04 AM Richard Borneman  wrote:
>>>
 Anyone here had a knee replaced? How long till you could ride again?
 My right knee is killing me. I've put it off as long as I could. It's 
 almost time.
 Richard

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Re: [RBW] Knee Replacement

[Richard Rose]

My Father got both done within a few days of one another. It was pretty rough 
but that was about 20 years ago.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 19, 2022, at 6:01 PM, Rusty Click  wrote:
> 
> I am bone on bone in both knees after five arthroscopic procedures.   I 
> think I will try another round of "knee lube" injections to get me thru 
> guiding a few trips this spring, then riding RAGBRAI in July.  After that, 
> I'm consulting with the doc about doing both knees at the same time.  Leah, 
> do any patients get both done at once?
> 
> I'll be waiting to hear/read how recovery goes Richard.  Good Luck,
> 
> Rusty
> Pgh, PA
> 
>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 5:39:49 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>> Come on over! I’ll get you squared away!
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:06 PM, David Person  wrote:
 
>>> Can't think of a better way to drift off prior to surgery than sharing Riv 
>>> stories with my nurse.
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 10:07:13 AM UTC-8 Ken Mattina wrote:
 As someone with osteoarthritis in both knees, I feel your pain.
 
 No knee replacements yet. So far, a change in diet and rehab has delayed 
 it.
 
 Good luck. I hope you feel better soon.
 
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 6:04 AM Richard Borneman  wrote:
> Anyone here had a knee replaced? How long till you could ride again?
> My right knee is killing me. I've put it off as long as I could. It's 
> almost time.
> Richard
 
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Re: [RBW] Knee Replacement

[Steven Sweedler]

Rusty, my partner, a retired nurse says yes that people have both knees
done at once. Good luck, Steve

On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 6:01 PM Rusty Click  wrote:

> I am bone on bone in both knees after five arthroscopic procedures.   I
> think I will try another round of "knee lube" injections to get me thru
> guiding a few trips this spring, then riding RAGBRAI in July.  After that,
> I'm consulting with the doc about doing both knees at the same time.  Leah,
> do any patients get both done at once?
>
> I'll be waiting to hear/read how recovery goes Richard.  Good Luck,
>
> Rusty
> Pgh, PA
>
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 5:39:49 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Come on over! I’ll get you squared away!
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:06 PM, David Person  wrote:
>>
>> Can't think of a better way to drift off prior to surgery than sharing
>> Riv stories with my nurse.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 10:07:13 AM UTC-8 Ken Mattina wrote:
>>
>>> As someone with osteoarthritis in both knees, I feel your pain.
>>>
>>> No knee replacements yet. So far, a change in diet and rehab has delayed
>>> it.
>>>
>>> Good luck. I hope you feel better soon.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 6:04 AM Richard Borneman  wrote:
>>>
 Anyone here had a knee replaced? How long till you could ride again?
 My right knee is killing me. I've put it off as long as I could. It's
 almost time.
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Re: [RBW] Knee Replacement

[Rusty Click]

I am bone on bone in both knees after five arthroscopic procedures.   I 
think I will try another round of "knee lube" injections to get me thru 
guiding a few trips this spring, then riding RAGBRAI in July.  After that, 
I'm consulting with the doc about doing both knees at the same time.  Leah, 
do any patients get both done at once?

I'll be waiting to hear/read how recovery goes Richard.  Good Luck,

Rusty
Pgh, PA

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 5:39:49 PM UTC-5 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Come on over! I’ll get you squared away!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 19, 2022, at 2:06 PM, David Person  wrote:
>
> Can't think of a better way to drift off prior to surgery than sharing 
> Riv stories with my nurse.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 10:07:13 AM UTC-8 Ken Mattina wrote:
>
>> As someone with osteoarthritis in both knees, I feel your pain.
>>
>> No knee replacements yet. So far, a change in diet and rehab has delayed 
>> it.
>>
>> Good luck. I hope you feel better soon.
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 6:04 AM Richard Borneman  wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone here had a knee replaced? How long till you could ride again?
>>> My right knee is killing me. I've put it off as long as I could. It's 
>>> almost time.
>>> Richard
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Knee Replacement

[Leah Peterson]

Come on over! I’ll get you squared away!Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 19, 2022, at 2:06 PM, David Person  wrote:Can't think of a better way to drift off prior to surgery than sharing Riv stories with my nurse.On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 10:07:13 AM UTC-8 Ken Mattina wrote:As someone with osteoarthritis in both knees, I feel your pain.No knee replacements yet. So far, a change in diet and rehab has delayed it.Good luck. I hope you feel better soon.On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 6:04 AM Richard Borneman  wrote:Anyone here had a knee replaced? How long till you could ride again?My right knee is killing me. I've put it off as long as I could. It's almost time.Richard



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[RBW] Re: FS: Another Parts Garage Sale - Phil Wood, Nitto, Sackville, Compass, and more

[B Young]

Brian Young
Los Angeles

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 1:54:35 PM UTC-8 B Young wrote:

>
> Hey Y'all,
> I'm cleaning out my garage and have lots of stuff for sale. Prices do not 
> include shipping so if you're interested in anything just let me know your 
> address and I'll let you know what it will be (actual shipping cost rounded 
> down). 
>
> Photos:
> https://share.icloud.com/photos/071NsImwodKXoax4gh_Aq2e7Q
>
>
> *Racks and Bags:*
>
> Nitto Campee Rear Rack - 175
>
> Nitto Campee Front Rack - 250
>
> Rivendell Sackville Hub Area Bags: Panniers - 200
>
> Red Vintage Panniers - 45
>
>
> *Wheels, Hubs:*
>
> 650b Phil Wood / Synergy Wheelset 36h - 450
>
> 700c Phil Wood 36h / Mavic MA40 front wheel - 100
>
> Paul Polished Front Hub 32H - 100
>
> Paul Silver front Hub 32H - 80
>
> Green Box Olfmega 120/36h Hubs with Skewers - NOS - 100
>
>
> *Tires, Fenders:*
>
> RH / Compass Tires - Bon Jon Pass El - New -125
>
> RH / Compass Tires - Switchback Hill EL - New - 125
>
> RH / Compass Tires - 650b Babyshoe Pass EL - New -125
>
> Zaffiro 700cx25 - 40
>
> Fatty Rumpkin 650bx41.5 - 40
>
> Honjo Fenders 700c H35 - New - 50
>
> Honjo Fenders 700c H40 - New - 50
>
>
> *Other Stuff:*
>
> Campagnolo Seat Post 25.8 - NOS in Box - 200
>
> Dia Compe AC 500 brakes - 30
>
> Mafac Levers with White Half Hoods - NOS - 50
>
> Silver Shifters on Shimano Bar Ends - 50
>
> 3ttt Forma SL Ergopower handlebar - 45
>
> Nitto Deluxe 26.0 Stem- 100cm - 40
>
> Nitto S65 Seat Post - 40
>
> TA Crankset 170 54/42 - 50
>
> Dura Ace Crankset 170 52/39 French Thread - 100
>
> Pedals Gripking - 40
>
> Pedals Look - 10
>
> Sunlite brake levers -10
>
> Reaction Gold Yokozuna Cable Kit - 60
>

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[RBW] FS: Another Parts Garage Sale - Phil Wood, Nitto, Sackville, Compass, and more

[B Young]

Hey Y'all,
I'm cleaning out my garage and have lots of stuff for sale. Prices do not 
include shipping so if you're interested in anything just let me know your 
address and I'll let you know what it will be (actual shipping cost rounded 
down). 

Photos:
https://share.icloud.com/photos/071NsImwodKXoax4gh_Aq2e7Q


*Racks and Bags:*

Nitto Campee Rear Rack - 175

Nitto Campee Front Rack - 250

Rivendell Sackville Hub Area Bags: Panniers - 200

Red Vintage Panniers - 45


*Wheels, Hubs:*

650b Phil Wood / Synergy Wheelset 36h - 450

700c Phil Wood 36h / Mavic MA40 front wheel - 100

Paul Polished Front Hub 32H - 100

Paul Silver front Hub 32H - 80

Green Box Olfmega 120/36h Hubs with Skewers - NOS - 100


*Tires, Fenders:*

RH / Compass Tires - Bon Jon Pass El - New -125

RH / Compass Tires - Switchback Hill EL - New - 125

RH / Compass Tires - 650b Babyshoe Pass EL - New -125

Zaffiro 700cx25 - 40

Fatty Rumpkin 650bx41.5 - 40

Honjo Fenders 700c H35 - New - 50

Honjo Fenders 700c H40 - New - 50


*Other Stuff:*

Campagnolo Seat Post 25.8 - NOS in Box - 200

Dia Compe AC 500 brakes - 30

Mafac Levers with White Half Hoods - NOS - 50

Silver Shifters on Shimano Bar Ends - 50

3ttt Forma SL Ergopower handlebar - 45

Nitto Deluxe 26.0 Stem- 100cm - 40

Nitto S65 Seat Post - 40

TA Crankset 170 54/42 - 50

Dura Ace Crankset 170 52/39 French Thread - 100

Pedals Gripking - 40

Pedals Look - 10

Sunlite brake levers -10

Reaction Gold Yokozuna Cable Kit - 60

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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope cabin overnighter

[Alan Barnard]

Great report. Sounds like a fantastic ride and near perfect accommodations 
for a rustic overnighter. Thanks for sharing! 

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 6:44:49 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks, brizbarn. Overpacking is my strong suit regardless of where I'm 
> going or for how long! 
>
> I haven't been tested in a laboratory setting but I think I'm sweat at an 
> unusually high rate. Has always been true of me. I was definitely quite 
> thirsty at the end of the day and would have preferred to drink even more 
> water as the cabin dried out from the woodstove. I have some sport tops but 
> another personal sensory thing for me is drinking over plastic, I don't 
> like it for hot or cold drinks and I prefer a metal edge. I didn't mind 
> stopping a few times to swig some water while riding. 
>
> I do wonder if maybe I was over dressed but I didn't feel like I was 
> burning up, just sweating like mad. I might have liked a lighter sweater, 
> something like the Wooly Warm jerseys but without the weird cut, fit and 
> pockets (they're great, they just don't fit me right). 
>
> The camp pillow is great. Could be a deal breaker for some due to weight 
> but it compresses pretty well and it's very comfy, doesn't flatten out like 
> some. 
>
>
> Thanks for reading, Jake! And watching too!
>
>
> I appreciate it Roberta, that's quite kind of you to say!
>
> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 1:31:50 PM UTC-5 brizbarn wrote:
>
>> It's always easy to overpack, or at least feel like you did when you're 
>> pedaling up a hill.  I wouldn't say your pack list is overly excessive tho, 
>> it looks like everything fit in your bags just fine, which is a plus.  I'm 
>> tend to overflow my bags which are slightly smaller than yours on 
>> overnighters, but I'm usually glad I have everything that I packed.  On a 
>> recent overnighter I took a thicker, better R-value sleeping pad and that 
>> helped me sleep much better.  I also tried not to over-hydrate, which in 
>> the past I think I did often, especially later in the day.  This time 
>> paying attention to when I was actually thirsty, not just drinking a lot to 
>> "stay hydrated".  This NPR Life Kit 
>> busts some water drinking 
>> myths and was helpful for me.   A "sport top" on your Kleen Kanteen may be 
>> helpful for sipping while riding, and maybe a bottom downtube bottle cage 
>> to get some water weight lower down.  I ride with a front rando bag on my 
>> bike most of the time, which maybe acclimates me to having some weight up 
>> front on trips.  Being soaked in sweat on a cold day is never fun either, 
>> maybe too much wool while climbing?  Glad you were able to get comfy with 
>> the fire tho.  I might need to check out that camp pillow before next 
>> season.  Makes me want to try a cold weather trip! 
>>
>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 9:57:09 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Stephen, Ryan and Keith. 
>>>
>>> It's my first trip, lots to learn and even un-learn! I'm glad we stuck 
>>> it out for the weather. Will be all the better earlier in the season. But 
>>> here in Virginia we could get some 70 degree days in December... 
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 11:19:41 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>>>
 Hey Eric,

 Great ride report, really enjoyed reading it along with the previous 
 day ride you posted! Love seeing reports of Appalachian overnighters. 
 Having all that weight sure makes the ride harder, I got spanked last year 
 taking my Joe on the Wilson's ramble in nc by naively planning my daily 
 mileage based on how fast I ride unloaded.. ended up running low on food 
 and shortening the route. Good for you getting out in the cold weather!

 cheers,

 Stephen

 On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:11:40 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Thank you all for the nice comments and for reading along. 
>
> Dave — That was the most weight I've had in the front bag for anything 
> more than a quick ride home from the co-op. It did effect the handling 
> but 
> I got used to it pretty quickly. There were a few times while climbing 
> when 
> I was trying to maneuver around a rock in the road and ended up kinda 
> tipping over, no big deal. 
>
> I'm eager to revise my packing to get the weight way down. I've 
> attached a packing list that's accurate to the best of my memory. It's a 
> lot. I'd also love to go rackless. I tried to mount the Chest from my 
> saddle but couldn't get it all worked out. I've had parts laying around 
> for 
> a bootlegged Pec Deck for some time. 
>
> Randy — It was certainly different than my last trip out of town with 
> a fancy hotel stay for a wedding and paid for by my in-laws! 
>
> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 9:05:11 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Intoxicating read! Now I 

[RBW] Re: For Sale: 2020 Roadini 57 cm Frame

[Rob Collard]

Dropping the asking price from $925 to *$850 *for the frame set, head set 
and seat post.

On Tuesday, November 15, 2022 at 7:12:44 PM UTC-5 Rob Collard wrote:

>
>
> [image: IMG_2292 2.JPG]I
>
> I am selling a 2020 57 cm Roadini frame with seat post and FSA headset. 
> Asking $925.
>
> There is a scratch on the inside of the right fork. 
>
> [image: IMG_2286.JPG]
>

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[RBW] Re: IRD Brake Lever Set Cafam-S vs. Paul Canti levers

[Alan Barnard]

If your budget allows, you’ll likely be more satisfied with the Paul levers 
over the long run. The IRD levers are OK, but the difference in quality is 
obvious in person. Also, I’m not big on the fact that the IRD is IMO too 
much of an obvious knock off of the Paul. YMMV. 

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 12:49:15 PM UTC-8 RichS wrote:

> +1 on the Paul levers. I have a set and they are excellent. For the record 
> I have no experience with the IRD model but Thomas makes a pretty 
> convincing case for going with the Pauls.
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:18:08 PM UTC-5 thoma...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I own the IRD version, and while they are nicer than pretty much every 
>> lever in the sub-$50 price range, they are still a far cry from the quality 
>> of machining you get from Paul. Most notable is the lever blades on the 
>> Paul levers have imperceptible play, if any, where the IRD levers can 
>> wiggle and rattle noticeably, even while properly adjusted. Given both of 
>> them are in the same class of "really expensive levers" I would just go for 
>> the Paul levers if there's any question between the two.
>>
>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 7:06:16 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> I guess there's only so many ways to make a brake lever but geez man, I 
>>> hope IRD got some kinda sign from Paul that it was ok to do this. 
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 6:44:57 PM UTC-8 Mr. Ray wrote:
>>>
 I have Paul's Canti levers and was looking at the IRD Cafam levers last 
 night (Soma is having 30% off sale).  To my eye, the Cafam look the same 
 sans the Paul logo and Paul's groovy barrel adjusters.  Like the Paul 
 levers, the Cafam have sealed bearings and are aluminum.  For the price 
 (with discount) the IRD levers are an exceptional value.  If I didn't 
 already have Paul levers, I would buy the IRD levers.

 On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 8:05:33 PM UTC-5 BobW wrote:

> I'm looking at the *IRD Brake Lever Set Cafam-S * 
> 
>  for 
> a conversion from drops to swept back bars.  I originally was considering 
> the Paul Canti levers, which get great reviews.  Does anyone have any 
> insights on the IRD Canfam's in comparison to the Pauls??
> I think they both have bearing pivots .  
>
> thanks!!
>


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[RBW] Re: IRD Brake Lever Set Cafam-S vs. Paul Canti levers

[RichS]

+1 on the Paul levers. I have a set and they are excellent. For the record 
I have no experience with the IRD model but Thomas makes a pretty 
convincing case for going with the Pauls.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:18:08 PM UTC-5 thoma...@gmail.com wrote:

> I own the IRD version, and while they are nicer than pretty much every 
> lever in the sub-$50 price range, they are still a far cry from the quality 
> of machining you get from Paul. Most notable is the lever blades on the 
> Paul levers have imperceptible play, if any, where the IRD levers can 
> wiggle and rattle noticeably, even while properly adjusted. Given both of 
> them are in the same class of "really expensive levers" I would just go for 
> the Paul levers if there's any question between the two.
>
> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 7:06:16 PM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I guess there's only so many ways to make a brake lever but geez man, I 
>> hope IRD got some kinda sign from Paul that it was ok to do this. 
>>
>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 6:44:57 PM UTC-8 Mr. Ray wrote:
>>
>>> I have Paul's Canti levers and was looking at the IRD Cafam levers last 
>>> night (Soma is having 30% off sale).  To my eye, the Cafam look the same 
>>> sans the Paul logo and Paul's groovy barrel adjusters.  Like the Paul 
>>> levers, the Cafam have sealed bearings and are aluminum.  For the price 
>>> (with discount) the IRD levers are an exceptional value.  If I didn't 
>>> already have Paul levers, I would buy the IRD levers.
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 8:05:33 PM UTC-5 BobW wrote:
>>>
 I'm looking at the *IRD Brake Lever Set Cafam-S * 
 
  for 
 a conversion from drops to swept back bars.  I originally was considering 
 the Paul Canti levers, which get great reviews.  Does anyone have any 
 insights on the IRD Canfam's in comparison to the Pauls??
 I think they both have bearing pivots .  

 thanks!!

>>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Crankset - Silver - 46x34T 173 mm - SOLD!

[Rob Collard]

Crankset - Silver - 46x34T 173 mm is sold.

Regards,

Rob Collard
Buffalo, NY

More components from my Roadini 2020 build posted soon.
On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 5:02:46 PM UTC-5 Rob Collard wrote:

> *Crankset -Silver - For sale: *
> 173mm crank arms.
> 46x34 chainrings mounted as shown in the photos. 
> Unmounted 44 and 24 T chainrings included.  
> Will at Rivendell worked with me to modify a Triple 44x34x24 into a 46x34 
> double.
> Excellent condition. $150.  Open to offers. Additional photos available 
> upon request.
>
> Rob Collard
> Buffalo, NY
>

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Re: [RBW] Knee Replacement

[David Person]

Can't think of a better way to drift off prior to surgery than sharing Riv 
stories with my nurse.


On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 10:07:13 AM UTC-8 Ken Mattina wrote:

> As someone with osteoarthritis in both knees, I feel your pain.
>
> No knee replacements yet. So far, a change in diet and rehab has delayed 
> it.
>
> Good luck. I hope you feel better soon.
>
> On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 6:04 AM Richard Borneman  wrote:
>
>> Anyone here had a knee replaced? How long till you could ride again?
>> My right knee is killing me. I've put it off as long as I could. It's 
>> almost time.
>> Richard
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> Where did my hormones go?
> Where did my energy go?
> Where did my go go?
> Where did the pleasure go?
> Where did my hair go?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Granola-Moose Bar?

[Brian Turner]

I think the bends in these look a bit awkward, TBH. On Nov 19, 2022, at 1:05 PM, Richard Rose  wrote:True enough. But at the end of the day I preferred my regular Bosco / FacePlater combo.Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 19, 2022, at 10:03 AM, lconley  wrote:The wonderful thing about steel, is that it can be bent, within reason, with a little "persuasion". Not as easily as loosening a clamp, but it can be done, and once set it never slips. All you need is a good vice, some wood to protect the finish, a long lever, and the serenity to accept that you might screw things up.LaingWho has broken a lot of things over the yearsOn Friday, November 18, 2022 at 7:44:31 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:My exact experience also. I really wanted to like my Boscomoose. But the fixed angle did not work for me. That VO bar is pretty though…Sent from my iPhoneOn Nov 18, 2022, at 7:11 PM, Conway Bennett  wrote:I like the idea of moose bars but I don't like it them in practice.  I like my wrists in a neutral position, and with a moose bar that is not a given.  Plus, once you realize this, they are relatively expensive to ship to a new owner.On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 5:53:34 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:This is extremely subjective and it matters a lot what the headtube angle is on the frame the bar is going on, but I had a ChocoMoose for a while (Cheviot? I think it was on a Cheviot) and the angle seemed fine to me. If it matters at all to you the Granola-Moose has a lot more flare/splaying-out than Choco. Joe Bernard On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:34:44 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:I got an email from VO today introducing a new product - the "Granola-Moose Bar."  Now, VO has always seemed to me to keep in semi-lock step with Riv and in this case I'd call it a variant of the Nitto Choco-Moose bar that they (used to?) sell.  The three differences I notice (maybe 3 1/2) are: the VO offering is in 1 1/8" threadless instead of a welded-in quill stem, it has a "cross bar" between the two curved handles with a slightly flattened section to allow for the mounting of lights, etc., it's available in both black and chrome, oh and it's about 2/3 the price that the Riv/Nitto version is/was.Laying all of that aside for the moment, what opinion do any of you all have about the Nitto bar that Riv offered if you have one?  I'm thinking of buying one of the VO versions to replace the "cow horn" bar that I currently have installed on my Surly 1x1 because 1) it has a threadless steerer and the Nitto won't/wouldn't work and 2) it comes in a black version and everything else on my headset, current threadless stem, and bars is black and I'd like to keep it that way.  BUT, and this is an item that I'd really like some feedback about, both of these bars, i.e. from either company, have a fixed, unadjustable angle because they're welded to the stem (or threadless clamp).  Has that lack of adjustment bar angle capability been a problem for any of the Choco-Moose users out there?



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Re: [RBW] FS: 58cm SimpleOne

[Richard Rose]

That’s a beautiful thing.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 18, 2022, at 6:56 PM, Jared Wilson  wrote:
> 
> Hey group,
> 
> Repurchased my old SimpleOne earlier this year and just don't find myself 
> riding it enough, I thought that might change the second time around, alas
> 
> 58cm Rivendell SimpleOne Frame/Fork
> 
> Used with paint chips and a micro-dent on the top tube. I don't buy bikes 
> with dented tubes but this one is so small I couldn't find the energy to 
> care, you should do the same!
> 
> Tange Headset
> 
> Nitto 85mm 31.8 FacePlater stem
> 
> Nitto/Riv 31.8 BullBar
> 
> Origin8 brake levers
> 
> Ergon GP1 BioKork grips
> 
> Shimano Deore BR-T610 V-brakes, rear will be swapped to black before sale
> 
> Nitto S65 seatpost
> 
> WTB Pure V saddle
> 
> IRD 165mm 144bcd cranks with 42T 3/32" Wabi chainring
> 
> Shimano UN300 BB
> 
> OEM Quickbeam wheels, Suzue hubs to Mavic rims
> 
> 18T White Industries Eno Trials Freewheel
> 
> 20T White Industries Eno Freewheel
> 
> Rene Herse Snoqualmie Pass Endurance Tires (700x44)
> 
> Surly Tuggnut chain tensioner
> 
> Pedals not included
> 
> SimpleOne Photos
> 
> $1500 + buyer pays shipping
> 
> Can deliver to SF Bay Area November 30th or down to LA around Christmas time.
> 
> Please respond off list if interested, thanks :)
> 
> Jared in SLO County
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Re: [RBW] Knee Replacement

[Ken Mattina]

As someone with osteoarthritis in both knees, I feel your pain.

No knee replacements yet. So far, a change in diet and rehab has delayed it.

Good luck. I hope you feel better soon.

On Sat, Nov 19, 2022 at 6:04 AM Richard Borneman  wrote:

> Anyone here had a knee replaced? How long till you could ride again?
> My right knee is killing me. I've put it off as long as I could. It's
> almost time.
> Richard
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Re: [RBW] Re: Granola-Moose Bar?

[Richard Rose]

True enough. But at the end of the day I preferred my regular Bosco / 
FacePlater combo.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 19, 2022, at 10:03 AM, lconley  wrote:
> 
> The wonderful thing about steel, is that it can be bent, within reason, with 
> a little "persuasion". Not as easily as loosening a clamp, but it can be 
> done, and once set it never slips. All you need is a good vice, some wood to 
> protect the finish, a long lever, and the serenity to accept that you might 
> screw things up.
> 
> Laing
> Who has broken a lot of things over the years
> 
>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 7:44:31 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>> My exact experience also. I really wanted to like my Boscomoose. But the 
>> fixed angle did not work for me. That VO bar is pretty though…
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Nov 18, 2022, at 7:11 PM, Conway Bennett  
 wrote:
 
>>> I like the idea of moose bars but I don't like it them in practice.  I 
>>> like my wrists in a neutral position, and with a moose bar that is not a 
>>> given.  Plus, once you realize this, they are relatively expensive to ship 
>>> to a new owner.
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 5:53:34 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
> This is extremely subjective and it matters a lot what the headtube angle 
> is on the frame the bar is going on, but I had a ChocoMoose for a while 
> (Cheviot? I think it was on a Cheviot) and the angle seemed fine to me. 
> 
> If it matters at all to you the Granola-Moose has a lot more 
> flare/splaying-out than Choco. 
> 
> Joe Bernard 
> 
>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:34:44 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>> I got an email from VO today introducing a new product - the 
>> "Granola-Moose Bar."  Now, VO has always seemed to me to keep in 
>> semi-lock step with Riv and in this case I'd call it a variant of the 
>> Nitto Choco-Moose bar that they (used to?) sell.  The three differences 
>> I notice (maybe 3 1/2) are: the VO offering is in 1 1/8" threadless 
>> instead of a welded-in quill stem, it has a "cross bar" between the two 
>> curved handles with a slightly flattened section to allow for the 
>> mounting of lights, etc., it's available in both black and chrome, oh 
>> and it's about 2/3 the price that the Riv/Nitto version is/was.
>> 
>> Laying all of that aside for the moment, what opinion do any of you all 
>> have about the Nitto bar that Riv offered if you have one?  I'm thinking 
>> of buying one of the VO versions to replace the "cow horn" bar that I 
>> currently have installed on my Surly 1x1 because 1) it has a threadless 
>> steerer and the Nitto won't/wouldn't work and 2) it comes in a black 
>> version and everything else on my headset, current threadless stem, and 
>> bars is black and I'd like to keep it that way.  BUT, and this is an 
>> item that I'd really like some feedback about, both of these bars, i.e. 
>> from either company, have a fixed, unadjustable angle because they're 
>> welded to the stem (or threadless clamp).  Has that lack of adjustment 
>> bar angle capability been a problem for any of the Choco-Moose users out 
>> there?
>> 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Granola-Moose Bar?

[Conway Bennett]

These bars remind me of the Rawland "Antler?" Bars.

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 9:55:46 AM UTC-6 George Schick wrote:

> Indeed.  I once reset the rear dropout width on a frame using a long 2x4; 
> a string tied to one of the dropouts, wound around the head tube, and tied 
> to the opposite dropout; and a caliper.  Worked just fine.
>
>
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 9:03:55 AM UTC-6 lconley wrote:
>
>> The wonderful thing about steel, is that it can be bent, within reason, 
>> with a little "persuasion". Not as easily as loosening a clamp, but it can 
>> be done, and once set it never slips. All you need is a good vice, some 
>> wood to protect the finish, a long lever, and the serenity to accept that 
>> you might screw things up.
>>
>> Laing
>> Who has broken a lot of things over the years
>>
>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 7:44:31 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> My exact experience also. I really wanted to like my Boscomoose. But the 
>>> fixed angle did not work for me. That VO bar is pretty though…
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 18, 2022, at 7:11 PM, Conway Bennett  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I like the idea of moose bars but I don't like it them in practice.  I 
>>> like my wrists in a neutral position, and with a moose bar that is not a 
>>> given.  Plus, once you realize this, they are relatively expensive to ship 
>>> to a new owner.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 5:53:34 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
 This is extremely subjective and it matters a lot what the headtube 
 angle is on the frame the bar is going on, but I had a ChocoMoose for a 
 while (Cheviot? I think it was on a Cheviot) and the angle seemed fine to 
 me. 

 If it matters at all to you the Granola-Moose has a lot more 
 flare/splaying-out than Choco. 

 Joe Bernard 

 On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:34:44 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:

> I got an email from VO today introducing a new product - the 
> "Granola-Moose Bar."  Now, VO has always seemed to me to keep in 
> semi-lock 
> step with Riv and in this case I'd call it a variant of the Nitto 
> Choco-Moose bar that they (used to?) sell.  The three differences I 
> notice 
> (maybe 3 1/2) are: the VO offering is in 1 1/8" threadless instead of a 
> welded-in quill stem, it has a "cross bar" between the two curved handles 
> with a slightly flattened section to allow for the mounting of lights, 
> etc., it's available in both black and chrome, oh and it's about 2/3 the 
> price that the Riv/Nitto version is/was.
>
> Laying all of that aside for the moment, what opinion do any of you 
> all have about the Nitto bar that Riv offered if you have one?  I'm 
> thinking of buying one of the VO versions to replace the "cow horn" bar 
> that I currently have installed on my Surly 1x1 because 1) it has a 
> threadless steerer and the Nitto won't/wouldn't work and 2) it comes in a 
> black version and everything else on my headset, current threadless stem, 
> and bars is black and I'd like to keep it that way.  BUT, and this is an 
> item that I'd really like some feedback about, both of these bars, i.e. 
> from either company, have a fixed, unadjustable angle because they're 
> welded to the stem (or threadless clamp).  Has that lack of adjustment 
> bar 
> angle capability been a problem for any of the Choco-Moose users out 
> there?
>
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Re: [RBW] Knee Replacement

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I started working as an RN in the perioperative world this summer. I pre-op 
patients for surgery and joints and spines are the bread and butter of my 
department. We see a LOT. Often they come in to have their other side 
(knee, hip) done and I always ask how the first joint replacement went. 
Almost always they report it was easier than expected, they have full 
function, and they seem less apprehensive when getting the second side 
done. Last week I had a woman with a hip who loved to ride horses. The 
surgeon told her she could get back on the horse in a surprisingly short 
time. Told her the position it would put her hips in is the safest position 
to be in and no more dangerous (falling off) than many other activities we 
do in daily life. So, talk to your surgeon. It might be much easier than 
you think. Plus, fix it now and you can enjoy being active and pain-free 
for much longer!

All the best!
Leah

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 11:14:08 AM UTC-5 campyo...@me.com wrote:

> A good friend has had both her knees repaired. She reports fairly brief 
> recovery periods, and she went to a successful randonneuring career 
> afterwards.
>
> --Eric Norris
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> On Nov 19, 2022, at 6:04 AM, Richard Borneman  wrote:
>
> Anyone here had a knee replaced? How long till you could ride again?
> My right knee is killing me. I've put it off as long as I could. It's 
> almost time.
> Richard
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Re: [RBW] Knee Replacement

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

A good friend has had both her knees repaired. She reports fairly brief 
recovery periods, and she went to a successful randonneuring career afterwards.

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> On Nov 19, 2022, at 6:04 AM, Richard Borneman  wrote:
> 
> Anyone here had a knee replaced? How long till you could ride again?
> My right knee is killing me. I've put it off as long as I could. It's almost 
> time.
> Richard
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Re: [RBW] Re: Granola-Moose Bar?

[George Schick]

Indeed.  I once reset the rear dropout width on a frame using a long 2x4; a 
string tied to one of the dropouts, wound around the head tube, and tied to 
the opposite dropout; and a caliper.  Worked just fine.


On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 9:03:55 AM UTC-6 lconley wrote:

> The wonderful thing about steel, is that it can be bent, within reason, 
> with a little "persuasion". Not as easily as loosening a clamp, but it can 
> be done, and once set it never slips. All you need is a good vice, some 
> wood to protect the finish, a long lever, and the serenity to accept that 
> you might screw things up.
>
> Laing
> Who has broken a lot of things over the years
>
> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 7:44:31 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> My exact experience also. I really wanted to like my Boscomoose. But the 
>> fixed angle did not work for me. That VO bar is pretty though…
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 18, 2022, at 7:11 PM, Conway Bennett  
>> wrote:
>>
>> I like the idea of moose bars but I don't like it them in practice.  I 
>> like my wrists in a neutral position, and with a moose bar that is not a 
>> given.  Plus, once you realize this, they are relatively expensive to ship 
>> to a new owner.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 5:53:34 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>>> This is extremely subjective and it matters a lot what the headtube 
>>> angle is on the frame the bar is going on, but I had a ChocoMoose for a 
>>> while (Cheviot? I think it was on a Cheviot) and the angle seemed fine to 
>>> me. 
>>>
>>> If it matters at all to you the Granola-Moose has a lot more 
>>> flare/splaying-out than Choco. 
>>>
>>> Joe Bernard 
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:34:44 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>>>
 I got an email from VO today introducing a new product - the 
 "Granola-Moose Bar."  Now, VO has always seemed to me to keep in semi-lock 
 step with Riv and in this case I'd call it a variant of the Nitto 
 Choco-Moose bar that they (used to?) sell.  The three differences I notice 
 (maybe 3 1/2) are: the VO offering is in 1 1/8" threadless instead of a 
 welded-in quill stem, it has a "cross bar" between the two curved handles 
 with a slightly flattened section to allow for the mounting of lights, 
 etc., it's available in both black and chrome, oh and it's about 2/3 the 
 price that the Riv/Nitto version is/was.

 Laying all of that aside for the moment, what opinion do any of you all 
 have about the Nitto bar that Riv offered if you have one?  I'm thinking 
 of 
 buying one of the VO versions to replace the "cow horn" bar that I 
 currently have installed on my Surly 1x1 because 1) it has a threadless 
 steerer and the Nitto won't/wouldn't work and 2) it comes in a black 
 version and everything else on my headset, current threadless stem, and 
 bars is black and I'd like to keep it that way.  BUT, and this is an item 
 that I'd really like some feedback about, both of these bars, i.e. from 
 either company, have a fixed, unadjustable angle because they're welded to 
 the stem (or threadless clamp).  Has that lack of adjustment bar angle 
 capability been a problem for any of the Choco-Moose users out there?

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[RBW] Re: Knee Replacement

[a spen]

Rode 12 easy, bike path miles 3 weeks post surgery.  Maybe should've given 
it another week.

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 10:41:36 AM UTC-5 S. Greco wrote:

> My father in his 70s had his knee replaced last year and was back on a 
> bike in three months. A stationary bike is a big part of the physical 
> therapy process.
>
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 9:04:28 AM UTC-5 rsb...@msn.com wrote:
>
>> Anyone here had a knee replaced? How long till you could ride again?
>> My right knee is killing me. I've put it off as long as I could. It's 
>> almost time.
>> Richard
>>
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[RBW] Re: Knee Replacement

[Eric Marth]

No experience with knees but I'm wishing all the best to you, Richard. Let 
us know how it goes. 

On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 10:41:36 AM UTC-5 S. Greco wrote:

> My father in his 70s had his knee replaced last year and was back on a 
> bike in three months. A stationary bike is a big part of the physical 
> therapy process.
>
> On Saturday, November 19, 2022 at 9:04:28 AM UTC-5 rsb...@msn.com wrote:
>
>> Anyone here had a knee replaced? How long till you could ride again?
>> My right knee is killing me. I've put it off as long as I could. It's 
>> almost time.
>> Richard
>>
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[RBW] Re: Knee Replacement

[S. Greco]

My father in his 70s had his knee replaced last year and was back on a bike 
in three months. A stationary bike is a big part of the physical therapy 
process.

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> Anyone here had a knee replaced? How long till you could ride again?
> My right knee is killing me. I've put it off as long as I could. It's 
> almost time.
> Richard
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[RBW] Budget V-brake Levers

[lconley]

I just got a set of Tektro FL740 V-brake levers, that superficially look 
like the FL750 levers for cantilever and caliper brakes. The FL740 brakes 
differ by having cable adjusters (a necessity for V-brakes), adjustable 
reach and spring return (a good thing for fully housed brake cables). The 
most surprising thing though, is an almost Paul level no-slop feel. I am 
very impressed with these ~$25 a pair levers.

[image: levers.JPG]

Laing
Delray Beach FL

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Re: [RBW] Re: Granola-Moose Bar?

[lconley]

The wonderful thing about steel, is that it can be bent, within reason, 
with a little "persuasion". Not as easily as loosening a clamp, but it can 
be done, and once set it never slips. All you need is a good vice, some 
wood to protect the finish, a long lever, and the serenity to accept that 
you might screw things up.

Laing
Who has broken a lot of things over the years

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 7:44:31 PM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> My exact experience also. I really wanted to like my Boscomoose. But the 
> fixed angle did not work for me. That VO bar is pretty though…
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 18, 2022, at 7:11 PM, Conway Bennett  
> wrote:
>
> I like the idea of moose bars but I don't like it them in practice.  I 
> like my wrists in a neutral position, and with a moose bar that is not a 
> given.  Plus, once you realize this, they are relatively expensive to ship 
> to a new owner.
>
>
>
> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 5:53:34 PM UTC-6 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> This is extremely subjective and it matters a lot what the headtube angle 
>> is on the frame the bar is going on, but I had a ChocoMoose for a while 
>> (Cheviot? I think it was on a Cheviot) and the angle seemed fine to me. 
>>
>> If it matters at all to you the Granola-Moose has a lot more 
>> flare/splaying-out than Choco. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>>
>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 3:34:44 PM UTC-8 George Schick wrote:
>>
>>> I got an email from VO today introducing a new product - the 
>>> "Granola-Moose Bar."  Now, VO has always seemed to me to keep in semi-lock 
>>> step with Riv and in this case I'd call it a variant of the Nitto 
>>> Choco-Moose bar that they (used to?) sell.  The three differences I notice 
>>> (maybe 3 1/2) are: the VO offering is in 1 1/8" threadless instead of a 
>>> welded-in quill stem, it has a "cross bar" between the two curved handles 
>>> with a slightly flattened section to allow for the mounting of lights, 
>>> etc., it's available in both black and chrome, oh and it's about 2/3 the 
>>> price that the Riv/Nitto version is/was.
>>>
>>> Laying all of that aside for the moment, what opinion do any of you all 
>>> have about the Nitto bar that Riv offered if you have one?  I'm thinking of 
>>> buying one of the VO versions to replace the "cow horn" bar that I 
>>> currently have installed on my Surly 1x1 because 1) it has a threadless 
>>> steerer and the Nitto won't/wouldn't work and 2) it comes in a black 
>>> version and everything else on my headset, current threadless stem, and 
>>> bars is black and I'd like to keep it that way.  BUT, and this is an item 
>>> that I'd really like some feedback about, both of these bars, i.e. from 
>>> either company, have a fixed, unadjustable angle because they're welded to 
>>> the stem (or threadless clamp).  Has that lack of adjustment bar angle 
>>> capability been a problem for any of the Choco-Moose users out there?
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope cabin overnighter

[Eric Marth]

Thanks, brizbarn. Overpacking is my strong suit regardless of where I'm 
going or for how long! 

I haven't been tested in a laboratory setting but I think I'm sweat at an 
unusually high rate. Has always been true of me. I was definitely quite 
thirsty at the end of the day and would have preferred to drink even more 
water as the cabin dried out from the woodstove. I have some sport tops but 
another personal sensory thing for me is drinking over plastic, I don't 
like it for hot or cold drinks and I prefer a metal edge. I didn't mind 
stopping a few times to swig some water while riding. 

I do wonder if maybe I was over dressed but I didn't feel like I was 
burning up, just sweating like mad. I might have liked a lighter sweater, 
something like the Wooly Warm jerseys but without the weird cut, fit and 
pockets (they're great, they just don't fit me right). 

The camp pillow is great. Could be a deal breaker for some due to weight 
but it compresses pretty well and it's very comfy, doesn't flatten out like 
some. 


Thanks for reading, Jake! And watching too!


I appreciate it Roberta, that's quite kind of you to say!

On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 1:31:50 PM UTC-5 brizbarn wrote:

> It's always easy to overpack, or at least feel like you did when you're 
> pedaling up a hill.  I wouldn't say your pack list is overly excessive tho, 
> it looks like everything fit in your bags just fine, which is a plus.  I'm 
> tend to overflow my bags which are slightly smaller than yours on 
> overnighters, but I'm usually glad I have everything that I packed.  On a 
> recent overnighter I took a thicker, better R-value sleeping pad and that 
> helped me sleep much better.  I also tried not to over-hydrate, which in 
> the past I think I did often, especially later in the day.  This time 
> paying attention to when I was actually thirsty, not just drinking a lot to 
> "stay hydrated".  This NPR Life Kit 
> busts some water drinking 
> myths and was helpful for me.   A "sport top" on your Kleen Kanteen may be 
> helpful for sipping while riding, and maybe a bottom downtube bottle cage 
> to get some water weight lower down.  I ride with a front rando bag on my 
> bike most of the time, which maybe acclimates me to having some weight up 
> front on trips.  Being soaked in sweat on a cold day is never fun either, 
> maybe too much wool while climbing?  Glad you were able to get comfy with 
> the fire tho.  I might need to check out that camp pillow before next 
> season.  Makes me want to try a cold weather trip! 
>
> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 9:57:09 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thank you Stephen, Ryan and Keith. 
>>
>> It's my first trip, lots to learn and even un-learn! I'm glad we stuck it 
>> out for the weather. Will be all the better earlier in the season. But here 
>> in Virginia we could get some 70 degree days in December... 
>>
>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 11:19:41 AM UTC-5 Stephen wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Eric,
>>>
>>> Great ride report, really enjoyed reading it along with the previous day 
>>> ride you posted! Love seeing reports of Appalachian overnighters. Having 
>>> all that weight sure makes the ride harder, I got spanked last year taking 
>>> my Joe on the Wilson's ramble in nc by naively planning my daily mileage 
>>> based on how fast I ride unloaded.. ended up running low on food and 
>>> shortening the route. Good for you getting out in the cold weather!
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
>>> Stephen
>>>
>>> On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 10:11:40 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thank you all for the nice comments and for reading along. 

 Dave — That was the most weight I've had in the front bag for anything 
 more than a quick ride home from the co-op. It did effect the handling but 
 I got used to it pretty quickly. There were a few times while climbing 
 when 
 I was trying to maneuver around a rock in the road and ended up kinda 
 tipping over, no big deal. 

 I'm eager to revise my packing to get the weight way down. I've 
 attached a packing list that's accurate to the best of my memory. It's a 
 lot. I'd also love to go rackless. I tried to mount the Chest from my 
 saddle but couldn't get it all worked out. I've had parts laying around 
 for 
 a bootlegged Pec Deck for some time. 

 Randy — It was certainly different than my last trip out of town with a 
 fancy hotel stay for a wedding and paid for by my in-laws! 

 On Friday, November 18, 2022 at 9:05:11 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> Intoxicating read! Now I have the “itch” real bad.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 17, 2022, at 8:22 PM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> Ride Report: Hawksbill Slope Cabin Overnighter
>
>
>
> 14-15 November 2022
> 64 miles, 7,250 ft elevation 
>
> [image: 05 Skyline 2 SM.jpg]
>
> This summer and 

[RBW] Knee Replacement

[Richard Borneman]

Anyone here had a knee replaced? How long till you could ride again?
My right knee is killing me. I've put it off as long as I could. It's 
almost time.
Richard

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks B17 Titanium - Green

[S. Greco]

Hey Is your Green Brooks Ti still for sale? Can I buy it? PayPal?

On Thursday, November 17, 2022 at 5:11:28 PM UTC-5 jmlmu...@gmail.com wrote:

> I really wanted to keep this for a future build but with the recent birth 
> of my child I'm reevaluating my gear hoarding tendencies. This is a the 
> first of a few things I'll be listing today. Its in excellent condition 
> with just a tiny knick and a few scuffs in the leather. 
>
> I love the vibe of giving deals in this group but this one is rare so I'm 
> listing it on the high side for $300 + shipping from Los Angeles.
>
> Detailed photos are here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/kueAbPXr9Hieivqy6
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> [image: _J224900.jpg]
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