[RBW] Re: Exploration: Make your own pump peg

[Kim Hetzel]

The first image is my recent results. The second image is my first idea.

Kim. 

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:03:37 PM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:

> This evening I modified my existing frame pump bracket to something more 
> secure using a AFA umbrella frame pump holder and a metal screw-able band. 
> I used a cordless drill and a Dremmel power tool for cutting, sanding and 
> polishing the AFA umbrella frame pump holder.
>
> It turned out well. I am happy with the results.
>
> The first photo is my first idea. The second photo is my recent results.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA.
>
> On Sunday, February 12, 2023 at 12:44:45 PM UTC-8 lconley wrote:
>
>> I started with a large rack strut from VO (thick stainless steel), 
>> straightened out the 90 deg bend a little, added my own 90 deg bend, 
>> drilled out the hole in the end, ground the end near the enlarged hole and 
>> put a 90+ deg twist in the end. Then added a water bottle cage bolt with 
>> Nitto spacer and nylock nut. Still doing small tweaks to perfect the fit 
>> between the seat stays:
>>
>> [image: Peg.jpg]
>>
>> [image: Pump s.jpg]
>>
>> Laing 
>> Delray Beach FL
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Jeffrey Arita]

Matt,

I just saw this thread.  I had your exact same problem (compact double 
crankset w/ 46-30 rings + front derailleur).  When shifting from small to 
big,  it wouldn't or the chain would jump over onto the crankarm.  I was 
sure I installed the correct front derailleur.  

I examined the FD I installed and saw that it was my IRD *Alpina-d* for 
triples (wrong one for this use-case).  OLD EYES, I'm guessing.  I dug out 
my IRD *Sub-C *and, of course, all was right with the world - excellent 
shifting with the compact crankset.  The IRD Sub-C 

 
is just another potential solution for your crankset combo (unfortunately I 
checked and it seems to be out of stock and is backordered at many 
retailers).

Good luck,

Jeff
Claremont, CA



On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 7:27:42 PM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Thanks all. When the FD was lowered, the chain could not climb up to the 
> big ring. First thing he did was lower it. I tried it myself, when I first 
> got the bike. 
>
> I just ordered a cx70. If that doesn’t work, I’ll get new VBC or figure 
> something out.
>
> Also figured out the brake levers were long pull. So that explains part of 
> the braking issue. Brakes are overrated! Ha.
>
> Matt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 23, 2023, at 9:16 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
> The hiccup here is his double is really more of a triple with the middle 
> ring removed; lifting a chain from 28t to 46 is a big climb. I'm not sure a 
> double is going to cover this, but I agree lowering the derailer is a good 
> idea. 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 5:52:25 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:
>
>> Your FD needs to be lowered a fair bit. At the point of closest approach, 
>> there should be only about 2mm clearance between the top of the chainring 
>> teeth and the outside derailleur cage as it passes over the teeth. I have 
>> doubts about the experience of your "experience" mechanic if he positioned 
>> the FD where your photo shows it. Making that change will mean that the 
>> cage won't have to move so far outboard to get the chain onto the big ring. 
>> And if you're only using two chainrings, fitting an FD intended for a 
>> double rather than a triple would also improve things. The sculpting of the 
>> cage on a triple FD is intended for use with chainrings where there is a 
>> reasonably large jump in the number of teeth between the granny and middle 
>> chainrings, and a considerably smaller jump between the middle and outer 
>> chainrings.
>>
>> Nick Payne
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Matt Miller]

Thanks all. When the FD was lowered, the chain could not climb up to the big ring. First thing he did was lower it. I tried it myself, when I first got the bike. I just ordered a cx70. If that doesn’t work, I’ll get new VBC or figure something out.Also figured out the brake levers were long pull. So that explains part of the braking issue. Brakes are overrated! Ha.MattSent from my iPhoneOn Feb 23, 2023, at 9:16 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:The hiccup here is his double is really more of a triple with the middle ring removed; lifting a chain from 28t to 46 is a big climb. I'm not sure a double is going to cover this, but I agree lowering the derailer is a good idea. On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 5:52:25 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:Your FD needs to be lowered a fair bit. At the point of closest approach, there should be only about 2mm clearance between the top of the chainring teeth and the outside derailleur cage as it passes over the teeth. I have doubts about the experience of your "experience" mechanic if he positioned the FD where your photo shows it. Making that change will mean that the cage won't have to move so far outboard to get the chain onto the big ring. And if you're only using two chainrings, fitting an FD intended for a double rather than a triple would also improve things. The sculpting of the cage on a triple FD is intended for use with chainrings where there is a reasonably large jump in the number of teeth between the granny and middle chainrings, and a considerably smaller jump between the middle and outer chainrings.Nick Payne



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[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Joe Bernard]

The hiccup here is his double is really more of a triple with the middle 
ring removed; lifting a chain from 28t to 46 is a big climb. I'm not sure a 
double is going to cover this, but I agree lowering the derailer is a good 
idea. 

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 5:52:25 PM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:

> Your FD needs to be lowered a fair bit. At the point of closest approach, 
> there should be only about 2mm clearance between the top of the chainring 
> teeth and the outside derailleur cage as it passes over the teeth. I have 
> doubts about the experience of your "experience" mechanic if he positioned 
> the FD where your photo shows it. Making that change will mean that the 
> cage won't have to move so far outboard to get the chain onto the big ring. 
> And if you're only using two chainrings, fitting an FD intended for a 
> double rather than a triple would also improve things. The sculpting of the 
> cage on a triple FD is intended for use with chainrings where there is a 
> reasonably large jump in the number of teeth between the granny and middle 
> chainrings, and a considerably smaller jump between the middle and outer 
> chainrings.
>
> Nick Payne
>

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[RBW] Re: A formal request to one of you...

[ascpgh]

Bill, 

Good thing that car's a rental. Yanking ice-covered car doors will result 
in the door opening but often minus its seals. 

Ice like that is an amazing precipitation, saw lots of it in the Ozarks 
where we were on that line between classic snow winter lands and those that 
just get cold and rainy. I had some OG golf shoes (metal spikes) for the 
worst days to be able to walk to work and the grocery when surfaces were 
coated in that glass ice. Urban crampons. Natty black and white saddle shoe 
oxford uppers. I did make some studded tires out of a set of worn TriCross 
tires with metal screws but that was still a big gamble in that sort of 
stuff if it isn't flat. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh (66°F)
On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:20:26 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Leah
>
> Much more importantly, I'm in Michigan this week and it's my first time to 
> see an ice storm.  It's bizarre!  I'm in the snow often, and I'm not 
> unfamiliar to low temperatures, but I've never experienced an ice storm.  
> For other sheltered softies like me, and ice storm (to me) is when it 
> rains, but it's cold enough on the ground that everything gets wet, nothing 
> dries, and the water freezes faster than it can run off.  Everything that 
> is not salted and not warm is freaking COATED with ice!  It's weird!  Every 
> tree has every branch encased in a thick later of ice.  My rental car is 
> coated with a thick bumpy but transparent sheet of ice.  I have to yank 
> hard to get the door open and break the sheet.  I feel like I'm on a 
> wilderness adventure, here in western Wayne County.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> Wayne County Michigan
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 5:31:02 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Woah, woah, wait. I went to bed with no power in an ice storm and woke up 
>> to this thread. Bill, did you get your B 68 - and maybe more than one? And 
>> JOE! What bike did you get? Say it’s a Platypus!
>>
>> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 4:11:53 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> I think this is perfectly legit request on Bill's part. People sell off 
>>> parts from complete bikes for all sorts of reasons all the time. So I see 
>>> this basically as WTB/ISO post. 
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Nick Payne]

Your FD needs to be lowered a fair bit. At the point of closest approach, 
there should be only about 2mm clearance between the top of the chainring 
teeth and the outside derailleur cage as it passes over the teeth. I have 
doubts about the experience of your "experience" mechanic if he positioned 
the FD where your photo shows it. Making that change will mean that the 
cage won't have to move so far outboard to get the chain onto the big ring. 
And if you're only using two chainrings, fitting an FD intended for a 
double rather than a triple would also improve things. The sculpting of the 
cage on a triple FD is intended for use with chainrings where there is a 
reasonably large jump in the number of teeth between the granny and middle 
chainrings, and a considerably smaller jump between the middle and outer 
chainrings.

Nick Payne

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom frame bag for Gus

[Brian Turner]

Thanks for the kind words, everyone. I’m happy to share stuff like this. I’m glad some folks caught the Riv-centric detail in the attachment loop made from a John’s Irish strap. That was a nice little surprise that Andy (the bag maker) threw in!- Brian On Feb 23, 2023, at 1:05 PM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:Hi Brian,That is why Laing's frame pump is inverted. I understand now.I'm currently making custom frame pump peg for my Clem Smith Jr. "L" between the upper seat stays on the seat tube. I will post it later when I am finished and mounted it on my bike.Thank-you,On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:52:12 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:Kim- the Gus pump peg is on the non-drive side chain stay, near the BB cluster.On Feb 23, 2023, at 12:47 PM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:Upon a closer look on the upper part of the seat tube between the seat stays, I do not see a frame pump peg on Brian's Gus.Kim. On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:40:11 AM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:This custom made bag of Brian's would not also interfere with the pump pegs on the backside of the seat tube ( I did not know that the Gus Boots Willsen had a pump peg behind the seat tube. ), but also having a frame pump mounted there. Furthermore, I think the bag might interfere with having a rear fender between the chain stays and kickstand plate ?Kim HetzelYelm, WA. On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:Laing, in this case with this design it most likely would interfere. I specifically wanted this bag to carry my pump and all my tire tools so it serves its purpose in that respect. I use a Lezyne Micro Floor Drive HV, and it’s small enough to fit in a variety of my bike bags. I just like the idea of having all that stuff in one designated space.- BOn Feb 23, 2023, at 12:00 PM, lconley  wrote:Does the bag interfere with mounting a pump on the pump peg?LaingOn Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 10:15:24 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:Photos here:https://photos.app.goo.gl/Jr243dfSx6YUyDiL7Ever since taking ownership of my Gus last Fall, I had designs on having a custom frame bag made for the space behind the seat tube on the frame. I guess it's the bikepacker in me, but it seems like there's just too much usable space there to not take advantage of it.I reached out to Andy Schmidt from Lords Luggage in Portland (he runs in the same bike scene circles as Rivelo John and Bantam Cycles Bob), and he enthusiastically accepted the challenge. Click the link above to check out the photos!I'm super pleased with the results... it's exactly what I was hoping for. I mostly keep my tire repair stuff in it; pump, pressure gauge, spare tube, puncture repair kit, 2 oz bottle of sealant, shop rag, and still a little room to spare.If you're looking for a custom bag like this, or other bike bags and handmade luggage, get in touch with Andy! Thanks for looking!-Brian



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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I haven’t used the 421 but the m324 is nice on my commuter— I can make
short trips without worrying about my bike shoes.

I like clip-in pedals for hills.

Toshi


On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 3:34 PM Piaw Na(藍俊彪)  wrote:

> The 421s have one side which is flat and the other side is clip-in. We use
> it on the triplet for the 0.8 mile (one way) commute to school for the kids
> to ride to school in their running shoes. They're great. Amazon seems to
> have stopped selling them but I've had no problems ordering them from
> various british cycling shops. For a while the prices on these pedals were
> such that if you needed a set of new SPD cleats it was as though you were
> getting the pedals for $5-10.
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[藍俊彪]

The 421s have one side which is flat and the other side is clip-in. We use
it on the triplet for the 0.8 mile (one way) commute to school for the kids
to ride to school in their running shoes. They're great. Amazon seems to
have stopped selling them but I've had no problems ordering them from
various british cycling shops. For a while the prices on these pedals were
such that if you needed a set of new SPD cleats it was as though you were
getting the pedals for $5-10.

On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 11:48 AM Michael Hammer  wrote:

> We use the Shimano T series SPD pedals and like them a lot, along with the
> Shimano shoes from this series.  Easy in and out, and float.  Shimano calls
> these "Click'r" and I think they are supposed to be a starter/city pedal.
> Works fine for my wife and I.  I don't think either of us has tipped over
> due to not being able to unclip.  I think we have the T400 models from
> several years ago; it seems the current version is T421 which is double
> sided which may be handy.
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:16:38 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Not many people know this, but Shimano makes pairs of beginner SPD pedals
>> called Click'R (
>> https://blog.piaw.net/2017/05/review-shimano-pd-t400-clickr-pedal.html).
>> My kids use them both on tandem and mountain bike and love it. Kids don't
>> lie about these things --- with the pedals they can climb hills and steep
>> segments they can't do with flat pedals, and they wouldn't put up with
>> special shoes and pedals if they didn't add positive value. The click'r add
>> weight but they never fail to release, and none of my kids have ever
>> crashed because they couldn't put a foot down.
>>
>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 6:17:48 AM UTC-8 Dick Pahle wrote:
>>
>>> trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding with
>>> toe clips forever and ready to switch to clipless. anyone here have
>>> thoughts about a good pedal for a beginner. something easy to get in and
>>> out of. i get indegestion looking at all the different kinds/styles/types.
>>>
>>> road ride mostly but I've seen online recomendations for a shimano
>>> mountain bike pedal. some of the two sided ones look appealing to me with
>>> one side suitable for regular shoes and the other for clipping in with
>>> cleats.
>>>
>>> thanks in advance for comments/suggestions.
>>>
>>> dick
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Patrick Moore]

I've used a fair number of non-Shimano SPD clones, including a number of
Wellgos, and be they Wellgos or WTBs or Ritcheys or Xpedias or what have
you, I've not found clipping in and out as secure and crisp as with Shimano
SPDs. Of course, I rarely take great pains to match cleat make to pedal
make, but -- again, IME -- Shimano SPD cleats seem to clip into and out of
Shimano SPD pedals better than other makes and combinations.

FWIW.

FWIW too, moving on to other MTB clipless systems, I used Frogs for several
years and never found them as secure and or as crisp as Shimano SPDs.

Speaking of clipless off road pedals, has anyone else used Graftons? I had
both road and mtb models; they were notable less for ease of use and
security than for the Erector Set-like multitude of small bolts and bits
and O rings, and the great quality of same. You had to stick a little
forward-facing prong into a slot as the first step in clicking in.


On Thu, Feb 23, 2023 at 6:52 AM Peter Adler  wrote:

> Greg's got the right idea: Start your clipless experiments with SPD,
> because they're ubiquitous and cheap to get.
>
> But the fact that they're easy to acquire doesn't mean they work for
> everybody. When I fearfully entered the clipless world circa 2010, I
> started with a pair of Wellgo pedals that had SPD on one side, and platform
> on the other. Although I tried for a couple of months, I could never get
> SPDs to work for me; I couldn't get the cleat to snap into the mechanism
> reliably, and I didn't get any noticeable feedback when I was successful.
> So I alternated between repeated failures to snap in/thinking I'd
> successfully snapped in, only to find my foot flying free off the
> pedal/thinking I'd failed, only to find that my foot was unexpectedly
> attached to the pedal. This gave me much *agita*.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New build: 1985 Bridgestone MB-2

[Eric Marth]

LOL, thanks for the intel, Tommy, I missed this!

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:52:12 AM UTC-5 Tommy Patterson wrote:

> And your bike was featured in a random The Pros Closet email this morning 
> (linking to Radavist article). The email also had links to "The best 
> mountain bike upgrades"  "Shop presidents' day markdowns" and a rather 
> ironic article above yours titled "How much suspension travel do you need?" 
>
>
> [image: image.png]
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 7:31 PM Eric Marth  wrote:
>
>> Thanks, John! Fun to see it up there with a nice big slide show
>>
>> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:58:40 PM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>>
>>> Eric did it, his bike is featured on The Radavist...
>>>
>>> https://theradavist.com/erics-1985-bridgestone-mb-2-review/
>>>
>>> Well done Eric!
>>>
>>> JohnS
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 5:48:04 PM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Thank you, Jose :) 

 From what I recall Grant was fairly new at Bridgestone when the '85s 
 came out. Sometime in 2022 I read an account written by Grant about when 
 he 
 first influenced any of the bike design or specifications and when he 
 designed his first frames but I can't recall the dates or where I read 
 this. Probably in a Blahg. 

 On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 12:19:51 PM UTC-5 Jose wrote:

> Amazing build! Did Grant P design the 1985 MB-1 and MB-2? 
>
> On Monday, January 23, 2023 at 3:06:27 PM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 00 Complete.jpg]
>>
>> Hi all — I just finished up a build, it's a 1985 Bridgestone MB-2. I 
>> have a full build video up over here: https://youtu.be/gJPnbpzjbKg
>>
>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 01 Complete.jpg]
>>
>> I purchased the bike as a complete from Marketplace, it was stock but 
>> for the saddle and tires. Everything was removed and I passed the frame 
>> over to Rob Gassie at Bing Bicycles. He added some rack mounts to the 
>> fork 
>> and seat stays, changes some the cable guides, added a third bottle boss 
>> to 
>> the downtube and two additional bottle bosses to the underside. He also 
>> stripped the frame to raw steel. 
>>
>> [image: MB-2 230115 S 02 Headbadge.jpg]
>>
>> Instead of paint I went for a raw finish. There are two applications 
>> of patination acids, with and without heat, followed by clear lacquer 
>> and 
>> wax. 
>>
>> [image: MB-2 230115 S Rear mech.jpg]
>>
>> It's built up with a mix of parts from across time, all silver. 
>> De-anodized some black Paul cantilevers and also de-anodized an XTR 
>> RD-M952. Dead stock WTB grease guard headset purchased from Jacque 
>> Phelan. 
>> Lots of Suntour, some TA cranks and modern parts from Japan. Crust x 
>> Nitto 
>> Shaka bars, MKS bear trap pedals, Nitto cable hanger. 
>>
>> [image: MB-2 230115 S Downtube.jpg]
>>
>> I had some custom brass headbadges made with the old Bridgestone logo 
>> which I shaped and finished. 
>>
>> [image: MB2 09 SM Head tube.jpg]
>>
>> Velocity Atlas 26" wheelset with a Kasai dynamo hub up front and an 
>> XTR M900 in the rear. Front wheel by Rich at Rivendell, rear built by 
>> Andre 
>> at my local bike shop. I'm running Rene Herse extra-light tires with a 
>> Rat 
>> Trap Pass in the back and a Humptulips Ridge in front. 
>>
>> Many thanks to members here for helping out with parts when I needed 
>> them: Trevor B., Dave H., Liz S. and Patrick M. 
>>
>> • Velocity Atlas 26" 32/32 wheelset
>> • Rene Herse Antelope Hill, extra light
>> • Rene Herse Rat Trap Pass, extra light
>> • Shimano XTR M900 rear hub
>> • Kasai 32H front hub
>> • Schmidt Edelux II polished headlight
>> • Busch + Müller light mount
>> • Crust x Nitto Shaka handlebars, 54cm
>> • Newbaum's cotton bar tape, white
>> • Suntour Bar-Con shifters
>> • Suntour Superbe levers
>> • Paul Neo Retro cantilever brakes, front
>> • Paul Touring cantilever brakes, rear
>> • Hunter Nugz barrel adjusters
>> • Dia Compe yoke hangers
>> • Fairweather x Nitto stem-mounted cable hanger
>> • Nitto Technomic 6cm stem, 26.0 clamp 
>> • WTB New Paradigm Grease Guard headset 
>> • TA Specialities Cyclotourist crankset, 48/42/28, 170mm 
>> • Shimano 115mm square taper bottom bracket 
>> • Shimano 9 speed 12-36 cassette
>> • MKS XC-III pedals
>> • Suntour AR front derailer
>> • Shimano XTR MD-952 rear derailer 
>> • Suntour XC Pro seat post 
>> • Brooks Conquest saddle
>> • Wheels Mfg. brass housing ferrules
>> • Sim Works x Nissen brass cable ferrules
>> • Sim Works x Nissen brake and shift housing 
>> • Sim Works x Hoshi
>> • M5 brass socket head screws
>> • Shovel Research M5 brass slotted screws
>>
>> Larger 

[RBW] Re: wtb: 58cm quickbeam

[Jason Zakaras]

yes, its sold or pending sell currently.  Thanks!

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 2:04:31 PM UTC-6 maxcr wrote:

> Jason, did you see this SimpleOne? 
> https://groups.google.com/u/5/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/x1K4Hw3zUj4
> Max
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 2:52:23 PM UTC-5 jasonz...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> please DM me if youre holding and open to sell Ideally frame/fork or 
>> f/f+headset/bb
>> thank you 
>>
>> Jason in Nebraska
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: wtb: 58cm quickbeam

[maxcr]

Jason, did you see this 
SimpleOne? https://groups.google.com/u/5/g/rbw-owners-bunch/c/x1K4Hw3zUj4
Max

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 2:52:23 PM UTC-5 jasonz...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> please DM me if youre holding and open to sell Ideally frame/fork or 
> f/f+headset/bb
> thank you 
>
> Jason in Nebraska
>

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Re: [RBW] Ride Report: The Cabo Loop, BSC

[RichS]

Mexico and Portugal. Winter riding at it's finest:-) John and Steven, thank 
you for the words and images.

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 9:20:23 PM UTC-5 John Rinker wrote:

> Steven, That cobbled road is very lovely. Worth a trip to Portugal just to 
> ride on that!
>
> 'And visions of [rumbling across the cobble] danced in his head.'
>
> Cheers, John
>
> On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 11:26:37 PM UTC-8 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> John, the ramp in the pic is signed 16%, the other end that I rode up is 
>> 20%. Its all I can do. The road surface across the valley is (very smooth) 
>> cobbles with a different color stone for the center line. Its a gorgeous 
>> area with incredible February weather.Thats Vida do Bispo in the 2nd pic.   
>> Steve
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 11:56 PM John Rinker  wrote:
>>
>>> Steven,
>>>
>>> That looks like fine Spring riding and that road swinging up the hill 
>>> looks like a lot of fun (up or down). Years ago I lived in Morocco and 
>>> visited Portugal. I remember it being wild and hilly. Must be a wonderful 
>>> place to ride.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 12:04:09 AM UTC-8 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>>
 John, I saw that massive development last time I was there, its been 
 building for years. Glad to hear your tires were big enough for those sand 
 roads. We should enjoy any undeveloped waterfront, its being built up in 
 so 
 many places. Currently in the southwest corner of Portugal, where there is 
 less than the rest of theAlgarve coast to the east. Steve

 On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 9:37 PM John Rinker  wrote:

> Thanks, friends! Glad you enjoyed the read. Even more fun to ride it, 
> so make a plan if you can.
>
> Steven, La Ribera seems to be undergoing a massive construction 
> project involving a marina and a golf course. Very dusty when we rode 
> through. Fat tires would be helpful, but not necessary. My 2.15 Schwalbe 
> All Motions did the trick just fine.
>
> Eric, Yes, there are a lot of photos on the Gaia tracks. I really 
> enjoy this app on such trips for navigation, but also as a record keeper. 
> The photos do pile up though.
>
> Kim, Your Clem Jr. would handle this ride with no problem. We 
> encountered a couple for Colorado on 90s-era mountain bikes, fully loaded 
> on 1.95s, and they were having a blast! 
>
> In all the reading leading up to the trip about optimal tires and best 
> set-ups, the best advice was: 'Just go ride it!'
>
> Cheers,
> John
> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 11:58:46 AM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> Thank-you for letting me know. 
>>
>> As I read and saw your pictures, I visualized myself riding my Clem 
>> Smith Jr. "L" bike with my wide tires navigating through all the varied 
>> terrain and having a great adventure in a world with very few people 
>> around. I would be happy eating authentic Mexican food. 
>>
>> In my dreamtime,
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 10:00 PM John Rinker  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Kim,
>>>
>>> Daytime temps were around 25-27C (77-80F)  A couple of days we had 
>>> very nice cloud cover which kept things cooler while climbing in the 
>>> mountains; very nice, indeed.
>>>
>>> Cheers, John
>>>
>>> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 8:05:32 PM UTC-8 krhe...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Wonderful getaway ride report !  Thank-you for sharing.
 What was the day time high temperatures like ?

 Kim Hetzel
 Yelm, WA. 

 On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 7:41:09 PM UTC-8 Sky Coulter wrote:

> Awesome! Thanks for the write up. That looks like a great get away.
>
> On Feb 19, 2023, at 4:42 PM, John Rinker  
> wrote:
>
>  
>
> A friend and I recently hung up our skis here in BC for a few 
> weeks and headed south to Baja Sur to ride the Cape (Cabo) Loop that 
> completes the popular Baja Divide route. The loop is roughly 450km 
> and 
> takes in the Pacific Ocean, the* Sierra La Lagunas*, and 
> beautiful beaches along the Sea of Cortez. The landscape in both the 
> mountains and along the coasts is a rich and diverse desert 
> ecosystem. In 
> addition to a variety of birds, we saw tons (literally) of humpback 
> whales 
> and mobula rays along the eastern coastline. The route is somewhat 
> challenging with some stiff climbing, tire-sucking sand, and a few 
> technical rock-dancing sections. Mostly, it’s a stunner ride that 
> offers 
> warm weather mid-Winter and wild camping in beautiful spots both in 
> the 
> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[RichS]

Dear Jeff,

Many thanks for posting such a comprehensive album of Jobst's gorgeous 
yellow bike. Anyone on this list has an affinity for lugs; but fillet 
brazing can look mighty nice as evidenced by Peter Johnson's fine work. I 
dig the "engineering" to shift the Carradice bag away from the saddle.

You're fortunate to live near a resource like the Bicycling Hall of Fame. 
Thanks again!

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 12:41:19 AM UTC-5 Jeff B wrote:

> As an aside to what modern bike Jobst might ride, here are some photos of 
> Jobst's bike at the US Bicycling Hall of Fame in Davis, CA. I'm not sure if 
> this was his final or second to last bike. I don't know if it is still 
> there and having it hanging from the ceiling makes it hard to photograph 
> and inspect but still very cool to see in person.
> Jobst's Bike 
>
> Jeff Burke
> Woodland, CA
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 2:11:00 PM UTC-8 divis...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Not yet. I've gotten at least three email notifications this year that 
>> closure was imminent (*buy up now while you can*).
>>
>> A note: On several occasions in the past year, John has posted sales with 
>> 10%/15%/20% off all remaining items. The alleged discount does not appear 
>> online, but is supposed to be applied in the shopping basket at checkout. 
>> I've jumped in for two of these sales, and no general discount was applied 
>> to my shopping basket, using Safari 14/macOS. I don't know what browser his 
>> shopping mechanism is keyed to; I'm guessing it's Google Chrome. I don't 
>> know whether the discounted prices work with any browser at all.
>>
>> I could have phoned him and complained about it, but it felt petty. I 
>> like the stuff I bought, but it still sticks in my craw that I paid more 
>> than I was promised. If I order any of the scraps, I think I'm just going 
>> to phone the order in.
>>
>> Peter "aggressive shopping is a contact sport" Adler
>> Berkeley, CA/USA
>>
>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 4:16:50 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Thanks, Kim, but while the website is still up I thought John Kucharik 
>> closed up shop and liquidated their inventory sometime in 2021 or 2022. 
>>
>

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[RBW] wtb: 58cm quickbeam

[Jason Zakaras]

please DM me if youre holding and open to sell Ideally frame/fork or 
f/f+headset/bb
thank you 

Jason in Nebraska

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[RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Michael Hammer]

As Piaw said.  Agree 100% even for adults.


On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 11:48:27 AM UTC-8 Michael Hammer wrote:

> We use the Shimano T series SPD pedals and like them a lot, along with the 
> Shimano shoes from this series.  Easy in and out, and float.  Shimano calls 
> these "Click'r" and I think they are supposed to be a starter/city pedal.  
> Works fine for my wife and I.  I don't think either of us has tipped over 
> due to not being able to unclip.  I think we have the T400 models from 
> several years ago; it seems the current version is T421 which is double 
> sided which may be handy.  
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:16:38 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Not many people know this, but Shimano makes pairs of beginner SPD pedals 
>> called Click'R (
>> https://blog.piaw.net/2017/05/review-shimano-pd-t400-clickr-pedal.html). 
>> My kids use them both on tandem and mountain bike and love it. Kids don't 
>> lie about these things --- with the pedals they can climb hills and steep 
>> segments they can't do with flat pedals, and they wouldn't put up with 
>> special shoes and pedals if they didn't add positive value. The click'r add 
>> weight but they never fail to release, and none of my kids have ever 
>> crashed because they couldn't put a foot down.
>>
>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 6:17:48 AM UTC-8 Dick Pahle wrote:
>>
>>> trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding with 
>>> toe clips forever and ready to switch to clipless. anyone here have 
>>> thoughts about a good pedal for a beginner. something easy to get in and 
>>> out of. i get indegestion looking at all the different kinds/styles/types. 
>>>
>>> road ride mostly but I've seen online recomendations for a shimano 
>>> mountain bike pedal. some of the two sided ones look appealing to me with 
>>> one side suitable for regular shoes and the other for clipping in with 
>>> cleats.
>>>
>>> thanks in advance for comments/suggestions.
>>>
>>> dick
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Michael Hammer]

We use the Shimano T series SPD pedals and like them a lot, along with the 
Shimano shoes from this series.  Easy in and out, and float.  Shimano calls 
these "Click'r" and I think they are supposed to be a starter/city pedal.  
Works fine for my wife and I.  I don't think either of us has tipped over 
due to not being able to unclip.  I think we have the T400 models from 
several years ago; it seems the current version is T421 which is double 
sided which may be handy.  

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:16:38 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Not many people know this, but Shimano makes pairs of beginner SPD pedals 
> called Click'R (
> https://blog.piaw.net/2017/05/review-shimano-pd-t400-clickr-pedal.html). 
> My kids use them both on tandem and mountain bike and love it. Kids don't 
> lie about these things --- with the pedals they can climb hills and steep 
> segments they can't do with flat pedals, and they wouldn't put up with 
> special shoes and pedals if they didn't add positive value. The click'r add 
> weight but they never fail to release, and none of my kids have ever 
> crashed because they couldn't put a foot down.
>
> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 6:17:48 AM UTC-8 Dick Pahle wrote:
>
>> trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding with toe 
>> clips forever and ready to switch to clipless. anyone here have thoughts 
>> about a good pedal for a beginner. something easy to get in and out of. i 
>> get indegestion looking at all the different kinds/styles/types. 
>>
>> road ride mostly but I've seen online recomendations for a shimano 
>> mountain bike pedal. some of the two sided ones look appealing to me with 
>> one side suitable for regular shoes and the other for clipping in with 
>> cleats.
>>
>> thanks in advance for comments/suggestions.
>>
>> dick
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Suggestions

[JohnS]

+1 on Garth's recommendation to use a road double. Something else to 
consider is the BB spindle length. Is it longer that needed? I had a nice 
SKF BB with a long spindle and had over shift issues as well. I switched  
to a BB with a shorter spindle which helped a lot. Also improved the chain 
line and reduced the pedal Q factor. 

Good luck,
JohnS


On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:26:06 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> Try a road double instead. It'll shift that easily. FD specs have only do 
> with what a mfr. makes, not the real world where combo's are endless. Your 
> clearance of the bottom of the cage depends on the frame. I used to shift a 
> 26/44/48 on my custom road bike with a 105 double(5500) and it was 
> flawless. 
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 12:45:08 PM UTC-5 mmille...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I've been having a heckuva time getting my front derailleur to go from 
>> little to big without hopping over. Eventually, if I talked sweetly to it 
>> and said Hail Mary three times, it would usually settle. Even took it to an 
>> experience mechanic. He also lowered it, then slowly kept raising it up, 
>> and also kept working the limit screw. A fraction of a turn was difference 
>> between not reaching the big ring, or going over!
>>
>> It's a White Industries VBC with 46-28. FD is IRD compact triple Aplina. 
>> Friction Microshift thumbie. I think it's bottom pull. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2391 Medium.jpeg]
>>
>> Any suggestions for different FD? May need different chain rings because 
>> of that big jump, but if I do that, I may be best off buying something else 
>> and selling these.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Matt
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Garth]

Try a road double instead. It'll shift that easily. FD specs have only do 
with what a mfr. makes, not the real world where combo's are endless. Your 
clearance of the bottom of the cage depends on the frame. I used to shift a 
26/44/48 on my custom road bike with a 105 double(5500) and it was 
flawless. 

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 12:45:08 PM UTC-5 mmille...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I've been having a heckuva time getting my front derailleur to go from 
> little to big without hopping over. Eventually, if I talked sweetly to it 
> and said Hail Mary three times, it would usually settle. Even took it to an 
> experience mechanic. He also lowered it, then slowly kept raising it up, 
> and also kept working the limit screw. A fraction of a turn was difference 
> between not reaching the big ring, or going over!
>
> It's a White Industries VBC with 46-28. FD is IRD compact triple Aplina. 
> Friction Microshift thumbie. I think it's bottom pull. 
>
> [image: IMG_2391 Medium.jpeg]
>
> Any suggestions for different FD? May need different chain rings because 
> of that big jump, but if I do that, I may be best off buying something else 
> and selling these.
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>

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[RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Piaw Na]

Not many people know this, but Shimano makes pairs of beginner SPD pedals 
called Click'R 
(https://blog.piaw.net/2017/05/review-shimano-pd-t400-clickr-pedal.html). 
My kids use them both on tandem and mountain bike and love it. Kids don't 
lie about these things --- with the pedals they can climb hills and steep 
segments they can't do with flat pedals, and they wouldn't put up with 
special shoes and pedals if they didn't add positive value. The click'r add 
weight but they never fail to release, and none of my kids have ever 
crashed because they couldn't put a foot down.

On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 6:17:48 AM UTC-8 Dick Pahle wrote:

> trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding with toe 
> clips forever and ready to switch to clipless. anyone here have thoughts 
> about a good pedal for a beginner. something easy to get in and out of. i 
> get indegestion looking at all the different kinds/styles/types. 
>
> road ride mostly but I've seen online recomendations for a shimano 
> mountain bike pedal. some of the two sided ones look appealing to me with 
> one side suitable for regular shoes and the other for clipping in with 
> cleats.
>
> thanks in advance for comments/suggestions.
>
> dick
>

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[RBW] Re: Tubeless tire on a non-tubeless rim?

[Kainalu V. -Brooklyn NY]

You’re all set! Will be a bit tighter than you’re used to when mounting 
them, but they’ll work great with tubes on your Atlas rims.
-Kai

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 1:08:56 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have a set of tubeless 700c Panaracer tires but I want to mount them on 
> a set of non-tubeless 700c Atlas rims. Yes, I know I’ll need to use tubes!
>
> Will a tubeless Panaracer Gravelking tire work/mount/fit/seat properly on 
> a non-tubeless Atlas rim? 
>
> If I have tube rims, is there a reason why I shouldn't use tubeless tires 
> (with tubes) instead of tube tires?
>
>
>

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[RBW] Tubeless tire on a non-tubeless rim?

[Matthew Williams]

Hi all,

I have a set of tubeless 700c Panaracer tires but I want to mount them on a set 
of non-tubeless 700c Atlas rims. Yes, I know I’ll need to use tubes!

Will a tubeless Panaracer Gravelking tire work/mount/fit/seat properly on a 
non-tubeless Atlas rim? 

If I have tube rims, is there a reason why I shouldn't use tubeless tires (with 
tubes) instead of tube tires?


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[RBW] Re: A formal request to one of you...

[Joe Bernard]

Sorry kids, a little joke. Which didn't come across as a little joke cuz it 
sounds like something I would do! No new bikes or B68s for Joe! 

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 5:31:02 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Woah, woah, wait. I went to bed with no power in an ice storm and woke up 
> to this thread. Bill, did you get your B 68 - and maybe more than one? And 
> JOE! What bike did you get? Say it’s a Platypus!
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 4:11:53 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> I think this is perfectly legit request on Bill's part. People sell off 
>> parts from complete bikes for all sorts of reasons all the time. So I see 
>> this basically as WTB/ISO post. 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom frame bag for Gus

[Kim Hetzel]

Hi Brian,

That is why Laing's frame pump is inverted. I understand now.

I'm currently making custom frame pump peg for my Clem Smith Jr. "L" 
between the upper seat stays on the seat tube. I will post it later when I 
am finished and mounted it on my bike.

Thank-you,


On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:52:12 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Kim- the Gus pump peg is on the non-drive side chain stay, near the BB 
> cluster.
>
> On Feb 23, 2023, at 12:47 PM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Upon a closer look on the upper part of the seat tube between the seat 
> stays, I do not see a frame pump peg on Brian's Gus.
>
> Kim. 
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:40:11 AM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>
>> This custom made bag of Brian's would not also interfere with the pump 
>> pegs on the backside of the seat tube ( I did not know that the Gus Boots 
>> Willsen had a pump peg behind the seat tube. ), but also having a frame 
>> pump mounted there. Furthermore, I think the bag might interfere with 
>> having a rear fender between the chain stays and kickstand plate ?
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>>
>> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Laing, in this case with this design it most likely would interfere. I 
>>> specifically wanted this bag to carry my pump and all my tire tools so it 
>>> serves its purpose in that respect. I use a Lezyne Micro Floor Drive HV, 
>>> and it’s small enough to fit in a variety of my bike bags. I just like the 
>>> idea of having all that stuff in one designated space.
>>>
>>> - B
>>>
>>> On Feb 23, 2023, at 12:00 PM, lconley  wrote:
>>>
>>> Does the bag interfere with mounting a pump on the pump peg?
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 10:15:24 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Photos here:
 https://photos.app.goo.gl/Jr243dfSx6YUyDiL7

 Ever since taking ownership of my Gus last Fall, I had designs on 
 having a custom frame bag made for the space behind the seat tube on the 
 frame. I guess it's the bikepacker in me, but it seems like there's just 
 too much usable space there to not take advantage of it.

 I reached out to Andy Schmidt from Lords Luggage in Portland (he runs 
 in the same bike scene circles as Rivelo John and Bantam Cycles Bob), and 
 he enthusiastically accepted the challenge. Click the link above to check 
 out the photos!

 I'm super pleased with the results... it's exactly what I was hoping 
 for. I mostly keep my tire repair stuff in it; pump, pressure gauge, spare 
 tube, puncture repair kit, 2 oz bottle of sealant, shop rag, and still a 
 little room to spare.

 If you're looking for a custom bag like this, or other bike bags and 
 handmade luggage, get in touch with Andy! Thanks for looking!

 -Brian

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom frame bag for Gus

[Kim Hetzel]

Hi Brian,

That is why Laing's frame pump is inverted. I understand now. 

I'm currently making custom frame pump for my Clem Smith Jr. "L" between 
the upper seat stays. I will post it later when I am finished and mounted 
it on my bike. 

Thank-you,

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA.

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:52:12 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Kim- the Gus pump peg is on the non-drive side chain stay, near the BB 
> cluster.
>
> On Feb 23, 2023, at 12:47 PM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Upon a closer look on the upper part of the seat tube between the seat 
> stays, I do not see a frame pump peg on Brian's Gus.
>
> Kim. 
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:40:11 AM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:
>
>> This custom made bag of Brian's would not also interfere with the pump 
>> pegs on the backside of the seat tube ( I did not know that the Gus Boots 
>> Willsen had a pump peg behind the seat tube. ), but also having a frame 
>> pump mounted there. Furthermore, I think the bag might interfere with 
>> having a rear fender between the chain stays and kickstand plate ?
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>>
>> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Laing, in this case with this design it most likely would interfere. I 
>>> specifically wanted this bag to carry my pump and all my tire tools so it 
>>> serves its purpose in that respect. I use a Lezyne Micro Floor Drive HV, 
>>> and it’s small enough to fit in a variety of my bike bags. I just like the 
>>> idea of having all that stuff in one designated space.
>>>
>>> - B
>>>
>>> On Feb 23, 2023, at 12:00 PM, lconley  wrote:
>>>
>>> Does the bag interfere with mounting a pump on the pump peg?
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> Laing
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 10:15:24 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Photos here:
 https://photos.app.goo.gl/Jr243dfSx6YUyDiL7

 Ever since taking ownership of my Gus last Fall, I had designs on 
 having a custom frame bag made for the space behind the seat tube on the 
 frame. I guess it's the bikepacker in me, but it seems like there's just 
 too much usable space there to not take advantage of it.

 I reached out to Andy Schmidt from Lords Luggage in Portland (he runs 
 in the same bike scene circles as Rivelo John and Bantam Cycles Bob), and 
 he enthusiastically accepted the challenge. Click the link above to check 
 out the photos!

 I'm super pleased with the results... it's exactly what I was hoping 
 for. I mostly keep my tire repair stuff in it; pump, pressure gauge, spare 
 tube, puncture repair kit, 2 oz bottle of sealant, shop rag, and still a 
 little room to spare.

 If you're looking for a custom bag like this, or other bike bags and 
 handmade luggage, get in touch with Andy! Thanks for looking!

 -Brian

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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom frame bag for Gus

[Brian Turner]

Kim- the Gus pump peg is on the non-drive side chain stay, near the BB cluster.On Feb 23, 2023, at 12:47 PM, Kim Hetzel  wrote:Upon a closer look on the upper part of the seat tube between the seat stays, I do not see a frame pump peg on Brian's Gus.Kim. On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:40:11 AM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:This custom made bag of Brian's would not also interfere with the pump pegs on the backside of the seat tube ( I did not know that the Gus Boots Willsen had a pump peg behind the seat tube. ), but also having a frame pump mounted there. Furthermore, I think the bag might interfere with having a rear fender between the chain stays and kickstand plate ?Kim HetzelYelm, WA. On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:Laing, in this case with this design it most likely would interfere. I specifically wanted this bag to carry my pump and all my tire tools so it serves its purpose in that respect. I use a Lezyne Micro Floor Drive HV, and it’s small enough to fit in a variety of my bike bags. I just like the idea of having all that stuff in one designated space.- BOn Feb 23, 2023, at 12:00 PM, lconley  wrote:Does the bag interfere with mounting a pump on the pump peg?LaingOn Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 10:15:24 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:Photos here:https://photos.app.goo.gl/Jr243dfSx6YUyDiL7Ever since taking ownership of my Gus last Fall, I had designs on having a custom frame bag made for the space behind the seat tube on the frame. I guess it's the bikepacker in me, but it seems like there's just too much usable space there to not take advantage of it.I reached out to Andy Schmidt from Lords Luggage in Portland (he runs in the same bike scene circles as Rivelo John and Bantam Cycles Bob), and he enthusiastically accepted the challenge. Click the link above to check out the photos!I'm super pleased with the results... it's exactly what I was hoping for. I mostly keep my tire repair stuff in it; pump, pressure gauge, spare tube, puncture repair kit, 2 oz bottle of sealant, shop rag, and still a little room to spare.If you're looking for a custom bag like this, or other bike bags and handmade luggage, get in touch with Andy! Thanks for looking!-Brian



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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom frame bag for Gus

[Kim Hetzel]

Upon a closer look on the upper part of the seat tube between the seat 
stays, I do not see a frame pump peg on Brian's Gus.

Kim. 

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:40:11 AM UTC-8 Kim Hetzel wrote:

> This custom made bag of Brian's would not also interfere with the pump 
> pegs on the backside of the seat tube ( I did not know that the Gus Boots 
> Willsen had a pump peg behind the seat tube. ), but also having a frame 
> pump mounted there. Furthermore, I think the bag might interfere with 
> having a rear fender between the chain stays and kickstand plate ?
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Laing, in this case with this design it most likely would interfere. I 
>> specifically wanted this bag to carry my pump and all my tire tools so it 
>> serves its purpose in that respect. I use a Lezyne Micro Floor Drive HV, 
>> and it’s small enough to fit in a variety of my bike bags. I just like the 
>> idea of having all that stuff in one designated space.
>>
>> - B
>>
>> On Feb 23, 2023, at 12:00 PM, lconley  wrote:
>>
>> Does the bag interfere with mounting a pump on the pump peg?
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> Laing
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 10:15:24 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Photos here:
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Jr243dfSx6YUyDiL7
>>>
>>> Ever since taking ownership of my Gus last Fall, I had designs on having 
>>> a custom frame bag made for the space behind the seat tube on the frame. I 
>>> guess it's the bikepacker in me, but it seems like there's just too much 
>>> usable space there to not take advantage of it.
>>>
>>> I reached out to Andy Schmidt from Lords Luggage in Portland (he runs in 
>>> the same bike scene circles as Rivelo John and Bantam Cycles Bob), and he 
>>> enthusiastically accepted the challenge. Click the link above to check out 
>>> the photos!
>>>
>>> I'm super pleased with the results... it's exactly what I was hoping 
>>> for. I mostly keep my tire repair stuff in it; pump, pressure gauge, spare 
>>> tube, puncture repair kit, 2 oz bottle of sealant, shop rag, and still a 
>>> little room to spare.
>>>
>>> If you're looking for a custom bag like this, or other bike bags and 
>>> handmade luggage, get in touch with Andy! Thanks for looking!
>>>
>>> -Brian
>>>
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[RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[matt miller]

I've been having a heckuva time getting my front derailleur to go from 
little to big without hopping over. Eventually, if I talked sweetly to it 
and said Hail Mary three times, it would usually settle. Even took it to an 
experience mechanic. He also lowered it, then slowly kept raising it up, 
and also kept working the limit screw. A fraction of a turn was difference 
between not reaching the big ring, or going over!

It's a White Industries VBC with 46-28. FD is IRD compact triple Aplina. 
Friction Microshift thumbie. I think it's bottom pull. 

[image: IMG_2391 Medium.jpeg]

Any suggestions for different FD? May need different chain rings because of 
that big jump, but if I do that, I may be best off buying something else 
and selling these.

Thanks,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom frame bag for Gus

[Kim Hetzel]

This custom made bag of Brian's would not also interfere with the pump pegs 
on the backside of the seat tube ( I did not know that the Gus Boots 
Willsen had a pump peg behind the seat tube. ), but also having a frame 
pump mounted there. Furthermore, I think the bag might interfere with 
having a rear fender between the chain stays and kickstand plate ?

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-8 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> Laing, in this case with this design it most likely would interfere. I 
> specifically wanted this bag to carry my pump and all my tire tools so it 
> serves its purpose in that respect. I use a Lezyne Micro Floor Drive HV, 
> and it’s small enough to fit in a variety of my bike bags. I just like the 
> idea of having all that stuff in one designated space.
>
> - B
>
> On Feb 23, 2023, at 12:00 PM, lconley  wrote:
>
> Does the bag interfere with mounting a pump on the pump peg?
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> Laing
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 10:15:24 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Photos here:
>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/Jr243dfSx6YUyDiL7
>>
>> Ever since taking ownership of my Gus last Fall, I had designs on having 
>> a custom frame bag made for the space behind the seat tube on the frame. I 
>> guess it's the bikepacker in me, but it seems like there's just too much 
>> usable space there to not take advantage of it.
>>
>> I reached out to Andy Schmidt from Lords Luggage in Portland (he runs in 
>> the same bike scene circles as Rivelo John and Bantam Cycles Bob), and he 
>> enthusiastically accepted the challenge. Click the link above to check out 
>> the photos!
>>
>> I'm super pleased with the results... it's exactly what I was hoping for. 
>> I mostly keep my tire repair stuff in it; pump, pressure gauge, spare tube, 
>> puncture repair kit, 2 oz bottle of sealant, shop rag, and still a little 
>> room to spare.
>>
>> If you're looking for a custom bag like this, or other bike bags and 
>> handmade luggage, get in touch with Andy! Thanks for looking!
>>
>> -Brian
>>
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Re: [RBW] Pedal Question

[Will Boericke]

I love spds.  Have them on all my bikes, from commuters to full-suspension 
mtb.  They work really well and as others have said, are ubiquitous.  The 
in- and out- gets easy really fast and I don't find it an impediment.  
PD-M520 is a good starting pedal - cheap and simple.  The others are more 
expensive and lighter but functionally the same.

WIll

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:45:41 AM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:

> I’ve found that real Shimano SPDs work better than the various copies. 
> Wellgo , etc seem to have a clunkier entry and release. I started with 
> Shimano, then spent a lot of time on Time ATACs, but now I’ve been back on 
> SPDs for several years.  Relative to the Times, SPDs have less float on 
> paper, but it’s almost free float. Time’s float is always pushing against 
> the spring tension, so it never felt like much to me. 
>
> I use the entry level mtb 520s.  They work great, I still have my original 
> pair from the mid 90s. 
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023, Peter Adler  wrote:
>
>> Greg's got the right idea: Start your clipless experiments with SPD, 
>> because they're ubiquitous and cheap to get.
>>
>> But the fact that they're easy to acquire doesn't mean they work for 
>> everybody. When I fearfully entered the clipless world circa 2010, I 
>> started with a pair of Wellgo pedals that had SPD on one side, and platform 
>> on the other. Although I tried for a couple of months, I could never get 
>> SPDs to work for me; I couldn't get the cleat to snap into the mechanism 
>> reliably, and I didn't get any noticeable feedback when I was successful. 
>> So I alternated between repeated failures to snap in/thinking I'd 
>> successfully snapped in, only to find my foot flying free off the 
>> pedal/thinking I'd failed, only to find that my foot was unexpectedly 
>> attached to the pedal. This gave me much *agita*.
>>
>> I then tried Crank Brothers pedals, and they were in my sweet spot. I've 
>> been riding CBs (Candys, the long-discontinued Quatros; if anybody's got 
>> Quatros to sell, hit me up) on my daily rider/pack mule (Raleigh 
>> International>Trek 720 touring) ever since. I find them easy to 
>> engage/disengage, and I feel a definitive SNAP when the cleat locks into 
>> the pedal, I also like having a little float, which CB provides. Plus, you 
>> can snap into Crank Brothers from either side, since the mechanism engages 
>> on all four of its faces. I have found that I can snap the spring holding 
>> the bits of the engagement mechanism in place, so I've got a couple of dead 
>> Quatros lying around. I haven't figured out how to disassemble the pedal so 
>> it's rebuildable; if I could do that, I could cannibalize the spring out of 
>> one pedal to rehab another.
>>
>> My advice is to start with SPD, for Greg's reasons. If they don't work, 
>> there are a lot of other options, each of which looks/feels different. 
>> Figure out what it was that didn't work for you on the SPDs, and let that 
>> guide you to one of the other candidates (CB, Time, Speedplay etc.). If 
>> none of your available clipless options work for you, platforms are fine - 
>> with or without toeclips/straps.
>>
>> Practice on a lawn; you'll fall down a lot at first. Most clipless 
>> newbies are nervous about disengaging at speed, but that almost never 
>> happens. You're most likely to fall over when you're going slow, or when 
>> you're stopping, especially of you have to stop suddenly and your instinct 
>> to disengage doesn't kick in fast enough to get a foot down. The half-dozen 
>> or so times I've fallen while cleated in have all been at red lights that 
>> had just turned as I approached. Since I was going slow when I fell, I 
>> mostly felt embarrassed, clumsy and stupid, rather than panicked. Passersby 
>> asked if I was OK, but I wasn't; I'd just bike-doofused in front of 
>> witnesses 
>>
>> Peter "pride goeth right when you fall down" Adler
>> Berkeley, CA/USA
>>
>> On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 8:50:51 PM UTC-8 Greg J wrote:
>> SPDs are ubiquitous, and you can find them for nearly free (for example, 
>> I have a couple of old but functional sets that I can send at cost, but I 
>> have no spare cleats).  If you like them generally, but find that they are 
>> lacking in some respect, then you can try the variations on the theme 
>> (eggbeaters, speedplay, road pedals, time, etc.), which all try to address 
>> some aspect of the clipless systems (float, platform size, weight, release 
>> mechanism, etc.).  Or if you decide that they're not worth the hype, then 
>> there you go.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Proper(?) fitting of a Bosco or similar handlebar & Nitto V5 stem

[Richard Rose]

Somewhat frustrated that my new Nitto stem came with no torque specifications. Assuming 4-6 is good?Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 23, 2023, at 12:14 PM, lconley  wrote:I am not surprised that he broke one of the stem bolts. Once fairly tight, you sneak up on the tightening,  about 1/4 turn per bolt (which should have been installed with grease or never-seize), on all the bolts in a criss-cross pattern, and repeat. You also check that the gaps are equal on both sides of the bar clamp/face plate. You don't just crank down as hard as you can on each bolt.LaingOn Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 10:00:27 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:Now that's interesting; fun video. I was struck by (a) the skinny front tire and (b) by the wide bar. I wish I had such firm, smooth dirt to ride on. A bar like the Losco/Bosco/Tosco/what have you might be very usable if you could set it up for cruising at the curves and use the wide ends only for sketchy technical situations.But: 4-bolt and insufficient; that's instructive. This and other threads about Rivendell widebars slipping in single-clamp stems, 4-bolt, 2-bolt, or 1-bolt, makes me think that Riv should devise its own "Y-clamp" stem.Patrick Moore, resolutely bottom-trimming in ABQ, NMOn Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 1:46 PM greenteadrinkers  wrote:Interesting... was just watching a video via Radavist called "Rivendell Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone (First Ride) @ Marshall Canyon" at around 6 min 30 seconds in the rider has to stop and tighten his quill 4-bolt face plater and manages to break one of the bolts! Looks like the stem is paired with a Losco. Gotta love the "You guys have beach cruisers" comment from a passerby.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbD6sgowP58=407s



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Re: [RBW] Re: Custom frame bag for Gus

[Brian Turner]

Laing, in this case with this design it most likely would interfere. I specifically wanted this bag to carry my pump and all my tire tools so it serves its purpose in that respect. I use a Lezyne Micro Floor Drive HV, and it’s small enough to fit in a variety of my bike bags. I just like the idea of having all that stuff in one designated space.- BOn Feb 23, 2023, at 12:00 PM, lconley  wrote:Does the bag interfere with mounting a pump on the pump peg?LaingOn Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 10:15:24 AM UTC-5 brok...@gmail.com wrote:Photos here:https://photos.app.goo.gl/Jr243dfSx6YUyDiL7Ever since taking ownership of my Gus last Fall, I had designs on having a custom frame bag made for the space behind the seat tube on the frame. I guess it's the bikepacker in me, but it seems like there's just too much usable space there to not take advantage of it.I reached out to Andy Schmidt from Lords Luggage in Portland (he runs in the same bike scene circles as Rivelo John and Bantam Cycles Bob), and he enthusiastically accepted the challenge. Click the link above to check out the photos!I'm super pleased with the results... it's exactly what I was hoping for. I mostly keep my tire repair stuff in it; pump, pressure gauge, spare tube, puncture repair kit, 2 oz bottle of sealant, shop rag, and still a little room to spare.If you're looking for a custom bag like this, or other bike bags and handmade luggage, get in touch with Andy! Thanks for looking!-Brian



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Re: [RBW] Re: Proper(?) fitting of a Bosco or similar handlebar & Nitto V5 stem

[lconley]

I am not surprised that he broke one of the stem bolts. Once fairly tight, 
you sneak up on the tightening,  about 1/4 turn per bolt (which should have 
been installed with grease or never-seize), on all the bolts in a 
criss-cross pattern, and repeat. You also check that the gaps are equal on 
both sides of the bar clamp/face plate. You don't just crank down as hard 
as you can on each bolt.

Laing

On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 10:00:27 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Now that's interesting; fun video. I was struck by (a) the skinny front 
> tire and (b) by the wide bar. I wish I had such firm, smooth dirt to ride 
> on. A bar like the Losco/Bosco/Tosco/what have you might be very usable if 
> you could set it up for cruising at the curves and use the wide ends only 
> for sketchy technical situations.
>
> But: 4-bolt and insufficient; that's instructive. This and other threads 
> about Rivendell widebars slipping in single-clamp stems, 4-bolt, 2-bolt, or 
> 1-bolt, makes me think that Riv should devise its own "Y-clamp" stem.
>
> Patrick Moore, resolutely bottom-trimming in ABQ, NM
>
> On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 1:46 PM greenteadrinkers  
> wrote:
>
>> Interesting... was just watching a video via Radavist called "Rivendell 
>> Susie Longbolts/Wolbis Slugstone (First Ride) @ Marshall Canyon" at around 
>> 6 min 30 seconds in the rider has to stop and tighten his quill 4-bolt face 
>> plater and manages to break one of the bolts! Looks like the stem is paired 
>> with a Losco. Gotta love the "You guys have beach cruisers" comment from a 
>> passerby.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbD6sgowP58=407s
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: A formal request to one of you...

[Garth]

Going for a walk after an episode of freezing rain, or freezing snow, can 
be some real beautiful experiences. When the sun comes out everything's 
sparkly and glittery. Taking shorter strides, keeping your feet underneath 
you, you'll be fine. Having lived in snow and ice all my life, I learned to 
simply take shorter strides, more on your fore foot rather that on your 
heels. That's how I walk all the time anymore, nor can I wear shoes with 
any sort of rise in the heel. Hey, try walking on a grassy hillside 
barefoot. You quickly learn you have ankles and toes and they're strong, 
and they can flex and grip the ground ! You also realize how balanced you 
feel, naturally, at any angle. It's impossible to twist an ankle or knee 
because your body naturally moves in the direction of the resistance. It's 
quite amazing. It's much like how cat kneads, that motion. That's how 
they're so balanced and quiet when they walk, walking forefoot, their 
weight is always perfectly balanced, using the toes to grip the ground 
first, then gently dropping the rest of the foot. It's impossible to 
"thump"while walking, and when out on ice, if your forefoot begins to slip, 
because you're balanced, centered, and not "on your heels" in apprehension, 
you naturally adjust "in to it" and you remain upright. This is nothing 
magical or mysterious, it's the most natural thing in the world ! 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Sackville Shopsack and Grabsack

[Michael Ullmer]

Winter snowstorm bump for these.



On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 2:49:51 PM UTC-6 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> I've got two Sackville Bags surplus to my needs.
>
> 1) Riv Grabsack in Brown - $50 shipped
> --I picked this up at this price from Bill a couple months ago, but its 
> just not the right bag for me. In great shape, I added some extra hardware 
> (strap keepers) which you can remove easily if you want.
>
> 2) Riv Shopsack Medium in Grid Gray - $60 plus shipping via Pirateship
> --I've been using Dark Realm bag instead of this for a basket bag. In 
> great shape, picked up off the list last year.
>
> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/Tfx3kZ94hMsU5Mdm7
>
> PM off-list
>
> Mike in Minneapolis
>

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[RBW] Re: A formal request to one of you...

[Erik]

It took me a minute, but if my training in linear perspective is correct: 
the steel cables closest to the camera and angling "up" to the left are the 
railing on the edge of the deck itself; the handrail and cables in the 
intermediate distance are stairs going down to the yard; the background is 
ice-covered grass.  Or so I think after studying the image.  It would be 
great photograph to show my drawing students to explain linear perspective 
for inclined surfaces!

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 8:02:32 AM UTC-8 Shoji Takahashi wrote:
Indeed, that deck photo is mesmerizing... I can't figure out which way is 
up. 



On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:43:55 AM UTC-5 jeffrey kane wrote:
That has to be the single most disorienting picture of a deck I've ever 
seen - I'd be sure to break a bone somewhere trying to step on it (!)

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[RBW] Re: A formal request to one of you...

[George Schick]

Ah yes, good ol' Midwest ice storms.  I recall one that came through 
central Indiana back in the early 90's that was so bad that it took down 
some of those big 3-phase cross country power lines.  A large deteriorated 
billboard that had rotted and fallen forward was literally blown back up 
again by the strong winds coupled with the dense freezing rain.  Ice on 
tree branches was 1/2 inch thick and the tops of the trees in wood lots 
were all broken off.  We escaped the one this past week in NE Illinois and 
it dumped in central and eastern Michigan instead.


On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:02:32 AM UTC-6 Shoji Takahashi wrote:

> Indeed, that deck photo is mesmerizing... I can't figure out which way is 
> up. 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:43:55 AM UTC-5 jeffrey kane wrote:
>
>> That has to be the single most disorienting picture of a deck I've ever 
>> seen - I'd be sure to break a bone somewhere trying to step on it (!)
>>
>> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:15:43 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> The sprung version is still pretty common.  The B68 had been totally out 
>>> of production...or so I thought.  Rivendell has an OEM deal with Brooks 
>>> that lets them sell a saddle on a complete bike purchase.  I looked for a 
>>> loophole with Riv since I'm buying a frameset, and Will very nicely said 
>>> "Nope, sorry. Only on a new complete bike"  I've learned that there may be 
>>> other bike companies that have or have had that same deal with Brooks.  So 
>>> it was not out of production.  It was just a little trickier to procure.  
>>>
>>> If you think you can convert that B68 in a box into $100, then yes, it's 
>>> turned to gold.  Offer it and somebody will buy it.  
>>> If you wonder if you can convert that B68 in a box into $250, then no, 
>>> it has not turned to gold.  Nobody is going to buy it at "collector" 
>>> pricing.  IMO.  
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 7:05:37 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hmm...did the B68 sitting in a box in my garage (along with its sprung 
 version cousin) just turn into gold? 



 On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:20:26 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Leah
>
> Much more importantly, I'm in Michigan this week and it's my first 
> time to see an ice storm.  It's bizarre!  I'm in the snow often, and I'm 
> not unfamiliar to low temperatures, but I've never experienced an ice 
> storm.  For other sheltered softies like me, and ice storm (to me) is 
> when 
> it rains, but it's cold enough on the ground that everything gets wet, 
> nothing dries, and the water freezes faster than it can run off.  
> Everything that is not salted and not warm is freaking COATED with ice!  
> It's weird!  Every tree has every branch encased in a thick later of ice. 
>  
> My rental car is coated with a thick bumpy but transparent sheet of ice.  
> I 
> have to yank hard to get the door open and break the sheet.  I feel like 
> I'm on a wilderness adventure, here in western Wayne County.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> Wayne County Michigan
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 5:31:02 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Woah, woah, wait. I went to bed with no power in an ice storm and 
>> woke up to this thread. Bill, did you get your B 68 - and maybe more 
>> than 
>> one? And JOE! What bike did you get? Say it’s a Platypus!
>>
>> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 4:11:53 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> I think this is perfectly legit request on Bill's part. People sell 
>>> off parts from complete bikes for all sorts of reasons all the time. So 
>>> I 
>>> see this basically as WTB/ISO post. 
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[Jeremy Till]

Wow, I work on the UC Davis campus and pass by the USBHOF regularly but had 
no idea that they had acquired Jobst's bike. I'll have to go pay homage one 
of these days.  

-Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA

On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 9:41:19 PM UTC-8 Jeff B wrote:

> As an aside to what modern bike Jobst might ride, here are some photos of 
> Jobst's bike at the US Bicycling Hall of Fame in Davis, CA. I'm not sure if 
> this was his final or second to last bike. I don't know if it is still 
> there and having it hanging from the ceiling makes it hard to photograph 
> and inspect but still very cool to see in person.
> Jobst's Bike 
>
> Jeff Burke
> Woodland, CA
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 2:11:00 PM UTC-8 divis...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Not yet. I've gotten at least three email notifications this year that 
>> closure was imminent (*buy up now while you can*).
>>
>> A note: On several occasions in the past year, John has posted sales with 
>> 10%/15%/20% off all remaining items. The alleged discount does not appear 
>> online, but is supposed to be applied in the shopping basket at checkout. 
>> I've jumped in for two of these sales, and no general discount was applied 
>> to my shopping basket, using Safari 14/macOS. I don't know what browser his 
>> shopping mechanism is keyed to; I'm guessing it's Google Chrome. I don't 
>> know whether the discounted prices work with any browser at all.
>>
>> I could have phoned him and complained about it, but it felt petty. I 
>> like the stuff I bought, but it still sticks in my craw that I paid more 
>> than I was promised. If I order any of the scraps, I think I'm just going 
>> to phone the order in.
>>
>> Peter "aggressive shopping is a contact sport" Adler
>> Berkeley, CA/USA
>>
>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 4:16:50 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Thanks, Kim, but while the website is still up I thought John Kucharik 
>> closed up shop and liquidated their inventory sometime in 2021 or 2022. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: A formal request to one of you...

[Shoji Takahashi]

Indeed, that deck photo is mesmerizing... I can't figure out which way is 
up. 



On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:43:55 AM UTC-5 jeffrey kane wrote:

> That has to be the single most disorienting picture of a deck I've ever 
> seen - I'd be sure to break a bone somewhere trying to step on it (!)
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:15:43 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> The sprung version is still pretty common.  The B68 had been totally out 
>> of production...or so I thought.  Rivendell has an OEM deal with Brooks 
>> that lets them sell a saddle on a complete bike purchase.  I looked for a 
>> loophole with Riv since I'm buying a frameset, and Will very nicely said 
>> "Nope, sorry. Only on a new complete bike"  I've learned that there may be 
>> other bike companies that have or have had that same deal with Brooks.  So 
>> it was not out of production.  It was just a little trickier to procure.  
>>
>> If you think you can convert that B68 in a box into $100, then yes, it's 
>> turned to gold.  Offer it and somebody will buy it.  
>> If you wonder if you can convert that B68 in a box into $250, then no, it 
>> has not turned to gold.  Nobody is going to buy it at "collector" pricing.  
>> IMO.  
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 7:05:37 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hmm...did the B68 sitting in a box in my garage (along with its sprung 
>>> version cousin) just turn into gold? 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:20:26 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Leah

 Much more importantly, I'm in Michigan this week and it's my first time 
 to see an ice storm.  It's bizarre!  I'm in the snow often, and I'm not 
 unfamiliar to low temperatures, but I've never experienced an ice storm.  
 For other sheltered softies like me, and ice storm (to me) is when it 
 rains, but it's cold enough on the ground that everything gets wet, 
 nothing 
 dries, and the water freezes faster than it can run off.  Everything that 
 is not salted and not warm is freaking COATED with ice!  It's weird!  
 Every 
 tree has every branch encased in a thick later of ice.  My rental car is 
 coated with a thick bumpy but transparent sheet of ice.  I have to yank 
 hard to get the door open and break the sheet.  I feel like I'm on a 
 wilderness adventure, here in western Wayne County.  

 Bill Lindsay
 Wayne County Michigan

 On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 5:31:02 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> Woah, woah, wait. I went to bed with no power in an ice storm and woke 
> up to this thread. Bill, did you get your B 68 - and maybe more than one? 
> And JOE! What bike did you get? Say it’s a Platypus!
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 4:11:53 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> I think this is perfectly legit request on Bill's part. People sell 
>> off parts from complete bikes for all sorts of reasons all the time. So 
>> I 
>> see this basically as WTB/ISO post. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: A formal request to one of you...

['jeffrey kane' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That has to be the single most disorienting picture of a deck I've ever 
seen - I'd be sure to break a bone somewhere trying to step on it (!)

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 10:15:43 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> The sprung version is still pretty common.  The B68 had been totally out 
> of production...or so I thought.  Rivendell has an OEM deal with Brooks 
> that lets them sell a saddle on a complete bike purchase.  I looked for a 
> loophole with Riv since I'm buying a frameset, and Will very nicely said 
> "Nope, sorry. Only on a new complete bike"  I've learned that there may be 
> other bike companies that have or have had that same deal with Brooks.  So 
> it was not out of production.  It was just a little trickier to procure.  
>
> If you think you can convert that B68 in a box into $100, then yes, it's 
> turned to gold.  Offer it and somebody will buy it.  
> If you wonder if you can convert that B68 in a box into $250, then no, it 
> has not turned to gold.  Nobody is going to buy it at "collector" pricing.  
> IMO.  
>
> BL in EC
>
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 7:05:37 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hmm...did the B68 sitting in a box in my garage (along with its sprung 
>> version cousin) just turn into gold? 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:20:26 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> Much more importantly, I'm in Michigan this week and it's my first time 
>>> to see an ice storm.  It's bizarre!  I'm in the snow often, and I'm not 
>>> unfamiliar to low temperatures, but I've never experienced an ice storm.  
>>> For other sheltered softies like me, and ice storm (to me) is when it 
>>> rains, but it's cold enough on the ground that everything gets wet, nothing 
>>> dries, and the water freezes faster than it can run off.  Everything that 
>>> is not salted and not warm is freaking COATED with ice!  It's weird!  Every 
>>> tree has every branch encased in a thick later of ice.  My rental car is 
>>> coated with a thick bumpy but transparent sheet of ice.  I have to yank 
>>> hard to get the door open and break the sheet.  I feel like I'm on a 
>>> wilderness adventure, here in western Wayne County.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> Wayne County Michigan
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 5:31:02 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 Woah, woah, wait. I went to bed with no power in an ice storm and woke 
 up to this thread. Bill, did you get your B 68 - and maybe more than one? 
 And JOE! What bike did you get? Say it’s a Platypus!

 On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 4:11:53 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> I think this is perfectly legit request on Bill's part. People sell 
> off parts from complete bikes for all sorts of reasons all the time. So I 
> see this basically as WTB/ISO post. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jobst Brandt thought experiment: What would he ride today?

[John Dewey]

Jeff, thanks for the nice photographs of the yellow bike. Beautiful
machine, just about perfect, and not a spot of beausage. All you need and
nothing more.

JD

On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 9:41 PM Jeff B  wrote:

> As an aside to what modern bike Jobst might ride, here are some photos of
> Jobst's bike at the US Bicycling Hall of Fame in Davis, CA. I'm not sure if
> this was his final or second to last bike. I don't know if it is still
> there and having it hanging from the ceiling makes it hard to photograph
> and inspect but still very cool to see in person.
> Jobst's Bike 
>
> Jeff Burke
> Woodland, CA
>
> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 2:11:00 PM UTC-8 divis...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Not yet. I've gotten at least three email notifications this year that
>> closure was imminent (*buy up now while you can*).
>>
>> A note: On several occasions in the past year, John has posted sales with
>> 10%/15%/20% off all remaining items. The alleged discount does not appear
>> online, but is supposed to be applied in the shopping basket at checkout.
>> I've jumped in for two of these sales, and no general discount was applied
>> to my shopping basket, using Safari 14/macOS. I don't know what browser his
>> shopping mechanism is keyed to; I'm guessing it's Google Chrome. I don't
>> know whether the discounted prices work with any browser at all.
>>
>> I could have phoned him and complained about it, but it felt petty. I
>> like the stuff I bought, but it still sticks in my craw that I paid more
>> than I was promised. If I order any of the scraps, I think I'm just going
>> to phone the order in.
>>
>> Peter "aggressive shopping is a contact sport" Adler
>> Berkeley, CA/USA
>>
>> On Friday, February 3, 2023 at 4:16:50 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>> Thanks, Kim, but while the website is still up I thought John Kucharik
>> closed up shop and liquidated their inventory sometime in 2021 or 2022.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

[Brian Forsee]

Regarding ease of install on the 1up:

It uses a wedge system so the 'bolt on' and off is extremely easy and 
quick, especially if you don't care to use the lock. But the lock is just a 
through-pin with a cap so that is also very quick and easy. 

As far as handling it goes, I believe it is pretty light weight for what it 
is (i have not compared it to other racks), but big/heavy/bulky is kind of 
the nature of the beast with a platform rack. The two bike isn't too bad 
but certainly if you'll be using it as a 3 or 4 it is cumbersome to move. 
If using the original version (not the equip-d) and plan to use it in 3/4 
bike mode often, the extended lever deal to use the tilt function is 
probably worth the money. I don't find it difficult to reach underneath in 
2-bike mode.

Brian

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 8:51:35 AM UTC-6 greenteadrinkers wrote:

> I has pulling this together last night and forgot to hit send...
>
> For $50 1 Up also offers a front wheel stop add-on for use with fenders...
> https://www.1up-usa.com/product/wheel-stop/
>
> Maybe the wheel stop and the fender pads lightly secured would be a good 
> solution, but that also adds around $80 per bike on top of the rack cost.
>
> The Swagman looks nice and priced well below a 2-bike 1 Up Heavy Duty, and 
> Jason can vouch for it. I think if I'd known about the Swagman, I might 
> have bought it over the 1 Up only to save some $$$.
>
> A couple of things to consider, the Swagman is rated at 35 lb per bike, 
> and it's limited to 2 bikes. The 1 Up Heavy Duty is off-road rated and can 
> expand to carry up to 4 bikes with a total carry capacity of 200 lb. The 
> rack itself weighs 46 lb it's not light, but manageable. I find the latch 
> system to raise and lower the rack kinda difficult to operate. The more 
> expensive 1Up Equip-D seems much more streamlined and easier to operate. 
> Also expandable to 4 bikes. If money isn't an issue I'd spring for 
> the Equip-D.
>
> It might be worth comparing 1Up to the Saris MHS, which seems more of an 
> apple-to-apple situation in terms of design.
> https://saris.com/products/mhs-3-1-base-2-hitch
>
> The 3-bike Saris MHS package is $1300, there was a YouTube review I 
> watched that stated that the rack with 2 sleds weighs around 100 lb also I 
> can't seem to find any fender add-ons.
>
> I suspect under normal driving conditions the Swagman with 2 heavy Rivs 
> might be fine, however, I'd be a bit more cautious about longer off-road 
> trips. The 1Up is definitely a fast set-it-and-forget-it solution. Loading 
> and unloading a bike takes little to no time. But again, the latch to raise 
> and lower the rack is a bit of a pain in the butt. The Equip-D solves that 
> issue.
>
> Last winter I drove to South Florida from Western MA with my Tanglefoot 
> and my wife's Hogsback strapped to the back of a RAV4 with the Saris Bones 
> rack. The Bones worked fine, but I was in constant fear that at any moment 
> the straps would fail and our bikes would end up under an 18-wheeler. After 
> that, my neighbor who is a single-speed mnt bike racer and competitive 
> bikepacker (recently completed the Vermont Super 8 for the second time) 
> suggested the 1Up, his is over 10 years old without any failures or fixes 
> used in tough conditions.
>
> I'd say the Swagman isn't a big investment for someone to give it a go, 
> the 1Up is way more of an investment. You could probably sell the Swagman 
> on CraigsList fairly easily if it didn't work out.
>
> Hope some of this helps.
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 8:31:44 AM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Great suggestions all.  Jason, the Swagman is near the limits on weight 
>> for my Betty since it has fenders, dyno, etc.  The other bike will most 
>> likely be a Surly Disc Trucker so both will be towards the 35 lb max weight 
>> limit.
>>
>> Max mentioned a Saris which has a higher weight limit.  Max, do you have 
>> a picture on the rack?  Does it stabilize the frame?  Where?  I see 
>> something in the picture but can't see close up to see where, how it 
>> attaches to the bike in the middle.
>>
>> The 1up price and fender cushions concern me.   I have the SKS plastic 
>> fenders and don't want to break them.
>> Thank you everyone for your suggestions.
>> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 2:14:16 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>>
>>> I have one of these Swagman racks that have fender-friendly trays and 
>>> then a hook that clamps down on the top tube - and works totally fine with 
>>> step-thru frames as the hook can all the way down to the bottom if it needs 
>>> to.  We use it with my partner's fendered dutch bikes and any of my bikes 
>>> (except the 20" wheels and smaller) 
>>> https://www.swagman.ca/collections/hitch-mount-racks/products/xtc2-hitch-mount
>>>
>>> On Monday, 20 February 2023 at 11:09:24 UTC-8 Lucky wrote:
>>>
 Hey! That’s cool, thanks Scott. Time to make some fender cushions.

 On Feb 20, 2023, at 10:56, greenteadrinkers  
 

[RBW] Re: A formal request to one of you...

[Bill Lindsay]

The sprung version is still pretty common.  The B68 had been totally out of 
production...or so I thought.  Rivendell has an OEM deal with Brooks that 
lets them sell a saddle on a complete bike purchase.  I looked for a 
loophole with Riv since I'm buying a frameset, and Will very nicely said 
"Nope, sorry. Only on a new complete bike"  I've learned that there may be 
other bike companies that have or have had that same deal with Brooks.  So 
it was not out of production.  It was just a little trickier to procure.  

If you think you can convert that B68 in a box into $100, then yes, it's 
turned to gold.  Offer it and somebody will buy it.  
If you wonder if you can convert that B68 in a box into $250, then no, it 
has not turned to gold.  Nobody is going to buy it at "collector" pricing.  
IMO.  

BL in EC


On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 7:05:37 AM UTC-8 steve...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hmm...did the B68 sitting in a box in my garage (along with its sprung 
> version cousin) just turn into gold? 
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:20:26 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Leah
>>
>> Much more importantly, I'm in Michigan this week and it's my first time 
>> to see an ice storm.  It's bizarre!  I'm in the snow often, and I'm not 
>> unfamiliar to low temperatures, but I've never experienced an ice storm.  
>> For other sheltered softies like me, and ice storm (to me) is when it 
>> rains, but it's cold enough on the ground that everything gets wet, nothing 
>> dries, and the water freezes faster than it can run off.  Everything that 
>> is not salted and not warm is freaking COATED with ice!  It's weird!  Every 
>> tree has every branch encased in a thick later of ice.  My rental car is 
>> coated with a thick bumpy but transparent sheet of ice.  I have to yank 
>> hard to get the door open and break the sheet.  I feel like I'm on a 
>> wilderness adventure, here in western Wayne County.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> Wayne County Michigan
>>
>> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 5:31:02 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> Woah, woah, wait. I went to bed with no power in an ice storm and woke 
>>> up to this thread. Bill, did you get your B 68 - and maybe more than one? 
>>> And JOE! What bike did you get? Say it’s a Platypus!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 4:11:53 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>>
 I think this is perfectly legit request on Bill's part. People sell off 
 parts from complete bikes for all sorts of reasons all the time. So I see 
 this basically as WTB/ISO post. 



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[RBW] Re: A formal request to one of you...

[Steve]

Hmm...did the B68 sitting in a box in my garage (along with its sprung 
version cousin) just turn into gold? 



On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:20:26 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Leah
>
> Much more importantly, I'm in Michigan this week and it's my first time to 
> see an ice storm.  It's bizarre!  I'm in the snow often, and I'm not 
> unfamiliar to low temperatures, but I've never experienced an ice storm.  
> For other sheltered softies like me, and ice storm (to me) is when it 
> rains, but it's cold enough on the ground that everything gets wet, nothing 
> dries, and the water freezes faster than it can run off.  Everything that 
> is not salted and not warm is freaking COATED with ice!  It's weird!  Every 
> tree has every branch encased in a thick later of ice.  My rental car is 
> coated with a thick bumpy but transparent sheet of ice.  I have to yank 
> hard to get the door open and break the sheet.  I feel like I'm on a 
> wilderness adventure, here in western Wayne County.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> Wayne County Michigan
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 5:31:02 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> Woah, woah, wait. I went to bed with no power in an ice storm and woke up 
>> to this thread. Bill, did you get your B 68 - and maybe more than one? And 
>> JOE! What bike did you get? Say it’s a Platypus!
>>
>> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 4:11:53 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>>
>>> I think this is perfectly legit request on Bill's part. People sell off 
>>> parts from complete bikes for all sorts of reasons all the time. So I see 
>>> this basically as WTB/ISO post. 
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

[greenteadrinkers]

I has pulling this together last night and forgot to hit send...

For $50 1 Up also offers a front wheel stop add-on for use with fenders...
https://www.1up-usa.com/product/wheel-stop/

Maybe the wheel stop and the fender pads lightly secured would be a good 
solution, but that also adds around $80 per bike on top of the rack cost.

The Swagman looks nice and priced well below a 2-bike 1 Up Heavy Duty, and 
Jason can vouch for it. I think if I'd known about the Swagman, I might 
have bought it over the 1 Up only to save some $$$.

A couple of things to consider, the Swagman is rated at 35 lb per bike, and 
it's limited to 2 bikes. The 1 Up Heavy Duty is off-road rated and can 
expand to carry up to 4 bikes with a total carry capacity of 200 lb. The 
rack itself weighs 46 lb it's not light, but manageable. I find the latch 
system to raise and lower the rack kinda difficult to operate. The more 
expensive 1Up Equip-D seems much more streamlined and easier to operate. 
Also expandable to 4 bikes. If money isn't an issue I'd spring for 
the Equip-D.

It might be worth comparing 1Up to the Saris MHS, which seems more of an 
apple-to-apple situation in terms of design.
https://saris.com/products/mhs-3-1-base-2-hitch

The 3-bike Saris MHS package is $1300, there was a YouTube review I watched 
that stated that the rack with 2 sleds weighs around 100 lb also I can't 
seem to find any fender add-ons.

I suspect under normal driving conditions the Swagman with 2 heavy Rivs 
might be fine, however, I'd be a bit more cautious about longer off-road 
trips. The 1Up is definitely a fast set-it-and-forget-it solution. Loading 
and unloading a bike takes little to no time. But again, the latch to raise 
and lower the rack is a bit of a pain in the butt. The Equip-D solves that 
issue.

Last winter I drove to South Florida from Western MA with my Tanglefoot and 
my wife's Hogsback strapped to the back of a RAV4 with the Saris Bones 
rack. The Bones worked fine, but I was in constant fear that at any moment 
the straps would fail and our bikes would end up under an 18-wheeler. After 
that, my neighbor who is a single-speed mnt bike racer and competitive 
bikepacker (recently completed the Vermont Super 8 for the second time) 
suggested the 1Up, his is over 10 years old without any failures or fixes 
used in tough conditions.

I'd say the Swagman isn't a big investment for someone to give it a go, the 
1Up is way more of an investment. You could probably sell the Swagman on 
CraigsList fairly easily if it didn't work out.

Hope some of this helps.

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 8:31:44 AM UTC-5 Pam Bikes wrote:

> Great suggestions all.  Jason, the Swagman is near the limits on weight 
> for my Betty since it has fenders, dyno, etc.  The other bike will most 
> likely be a Surly Disc Trucker so both will be towards the 35 lb max weight 
> limit.
>
> Max mentioned a Saris which has a higher weight limit.  Max, do you have a 
> picture on the rack?  Does it stabilize the frame?  Where?  I see something 
> in the picture but can't see close up to see where, how it attaches to the 
> bike in the middle.
>
> The 1up price and fender cushions concern me.   I have the SKS plastic 
> fenders and don't want to break them.
> Thank you everyone for your suggestions.
> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 2:14:16 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:
>
>> I have one of these Swagman racks that have fender-friendly trays and 
>> then a hook that clamps down on the top tube - and works totally fine with 
>> step-thru frames as the hook can all the way down to the bottom if it needs 
>> to.  We use it with my partner's fendered dutch bikes and any of my bikes 
>> (except the 20" wheels and smaller) 
>> https://www.swagman.ca/collections/hitch-mount-racks/products/xtc2-hitch-mount
>>
>> On Monday, 20 February 2023 at 11:09:24 UTC-8 Lucky wrote:
>>
>>> Hey! That’s cool, thanks Scott. Time to make some fender cushions.
>>>
>>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 10:56, greenteadrinkers  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> If your car has a hitch with a 2" receiver and you can afford it, don't 
>>> waste your money on anything other than a 1Up. You can get a single-bike 
>>> heavy-duty rack for $430, the rack is expandable for up to 4 bikes, with 
>>> each bike weighing no more than 50 lbs.
>>>
>>> https://www.1up-usa.com/product/quik-rack-single/
>>>
>>> 1Up also offers a solution to accommodate fenders, which cost $13 per 
>>> wheel: 
>>> https://www.1up-usa.com/product/fender-cushion/
>>>
>>> IMO, don't waste your time or money on anything else.
>>>
>>> Scott
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 12:20:41 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:
>>>
 I have a 1up also and have experienced interference with the fenders 
 and the front rack/basket. I’m not sure any ideal combo of rack exists if 
 you have these things on your bike. I certainly tried to find a solution 
 that keeps the bike off the roof, and keeps bikes from rubbing/banging 
 together. The 1up was the 

Re: [RBW] Pedal Question

[Eric Daume]

I’ve found that real Shimano SPDs work better than the various copies.
Wellgo , etc seem to have a clunkier entry and release. I started with
Shimano, then spent a lot of time on Time ATACs, but now I’ve been back on
SPDs for several years.  Relative to the Times, SPDs have less float on
paper, but it’s almost free float. Time’s float is always pushing against
the spring tension, so it never felt like much to me.

I use the entry level mtb 520s.  They work great, I still have my original
pair from the mid 90s.

Eric

On Thursday, February 23, 2023, Peter Adler  wrote:

> Greg's got the right idea: Start your clipless experiments with SPD,
> because they're ubiquitous and cheap to get.
>
> But the fact that they're easy to acquire doesn't mean they work for
> everybody. When I fearfully entered the clipless world circa 2010, I
> started with a pair of Wellgo pedals that had SPD on one side, and platform
> on the other. Although I tried for a couple of months, I could never get
> SPDs to work for me; I couldn't get the cleat to snap into the mechanism
> reliably, and I didn't get any noticeable feedback when I was successful.
> So I alternated between repeated failures to snap in/thinking I'd
> successfully snapped in, only to find my foot flying free off the
> pedal/thinking I'd failed, only to find that my foot was unexpectedly
> attached to the pedal. This gave me much *agita*.
>
> I then tried Crank Brothers pedals, and they were in my sweet spot. I've
> been riding CBs (Candys, the long-discontinued Quatros; if anybody's got
> Quatros to sell, hit me up) on my daily rider/pack mule (Raleigh
> International>Trek 720 touring) ever since. I find them easy to
> engage/disengage, and I feel a definitive SNAP when the cleat locks into
> the pedal, I also like having a little float, which CB provides. Plus, you
> can snap into Crank Brothers from either side, since the mechanism engages
> on all four of its faces. I have found that I can snap the spring holding
> the bits of the engagement mechanism in place, so I've got a couple of dead
> Quatros lying around. I haven't figured out how to disassemble the pedal so
> it's rebuildable; if I could do that, I could cannibalize the spring out of
> one pedal to rehab another.
>
> My advice is to start with SPD, for Greg's reasons. If they don't work,
> there are a lot of other options, each of which looks/feels different.
> Figure out what it was that didn't work for you on the SPDs, and let that
> guide you to one of the other candidates (CB, Time, Speedplay etc.). If
> none of your available clipless options work for you, platforms are fine -
> with or without toeclips/straps.
>
> Practice on a lawn; you'll fall down a lot at first. Most clipless newbies
> are nervous about disengaging at speed, but that almost never happens.
> You're most likely to fall over when you're going slow, or when you're
> stopping, especially of you have to stop suddenly and your instinct to
> disengage doesn't kick in fast enough to get a foot down. The half-dozen or
> so times I've fallen while cleated in have all been at red lights that had
> just turned as I approached. Since I was going slow when I fell, I mostly
> felt embarrassed, clumsy and stupid, rather than panicked. Passersby asked
> if I was OK, but I wasn't; I'd just bike-doofused in front of witnesses 
>
> Peter "pride goeth right when you fall down" Adler
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 8:50:51 PM UTC-8 Greg J wrote:
> SPDs are ubiquitous, and you can find them for nearly free (for example, I
> have a couple of old but functional sets that I can send at cost, but I
> have no spare cleats).  If you like them generally, but find that they are
> lacking in some respect, then you can try the variations on the theme
> (eggbeaters, speedplay, road pedals, time, etc.), which all try to address
> some aspect of the clipless systems (float, platform size, weight, release
> mechanism, etc.).  Or if you decide that they're not worth the hype, then
> there you go.
>
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[RBW] Re: A formal request to one of you...

[Bill Lindsay]

Leah

Much more importantly, I'm in Michigan this week and it's my first time to 
see an ice storm.  It's bizarre!  I'm in the snow often, and I'm not 
unfamiliar to low temperatures, but I've never experienced an ice storm.  
For other sheltered softies like me, and ice storm (to me) is when it 
rains, but it's cold enough on the ground that everything gets wet, nothing 
dries, and the water freezes faster than it can run off.  Everything that 
is not salted and not warm is freaking COATED with ice!  It's weird!  Every 
tree has every branch encased in a thick later of ice.  My rental car is 
coated with a thick bumpy but transparent sheet of ice.  I have to yank 
hard to get the door open and break the sheet.  I feel like I'm on a 
wilderness adventure, here in western Wayne County.  

Bill Lindsay
Wayne County Michigan

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 5:31:02 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Woah, woah, wait. I went to bed with no power in an ice storm and woke up 
> to this thread. Bill, did you get your B 68 - and maybe more than one? And 
> JOE! What bike did you get? Say it’s a Platypus!
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 4:11:53 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> I think this is perfectly legit request on Bill's part. People sell off 
>> parts from complete bikes for all sorts of reasons all the time. So I see 
>> this basically as WTB/ISO post. 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Peter Adler]

Greg's got the right idea: Start your clipless experiments with SPD, 
because they're ubiquitous and cheap to get.

But the fact that they're easy to acquire doesn't mean they work for 
everybody. When I fearfully entered the clipless world circa 2010, I 
started with a pair of Wellgo pedals that had SPD on one side, and platform 
on the other. Although I tried for a couple of months, I could never get 
SPDs to work for me; I couldn't get the cleat to snap into the mechanism 
reliably, and I didn't get any noticeable feedback when I was successful. 
So I alternated between repeated failures to snap in/thinking I'd 
successfully snapped in, only to find my foot flying free off the 
pedal/thinking I'd failed, only to find that my foot was unexpectedly 
attached to the pedal. This gave me much *agita*.

I then tried Crank Brothers pedals, and they were in my sweet spot. I've 
been riding CBs (Candys, the long-discontinued Quatros; if anybody's got 
Quatros to sell, hit me up) on my daily rider/pack mule (Raleigh 
International>Trek 720 touring) ever since. I find them easy to 
engage/disengage, and I feel a definitive SNAP when the cleat locks into 
the pedal, I also like having a little float, which CB provides. Plus, you 
can snap into Crank Brothers from either side, since the mechanism engages 
on all four of its faces. I have found that I can snap the spring holding 
the bits of the engagement mechanism in place, so I've got a couple of dead 
Quatros lying around. I haven't figured out how to disassemble the pedal so 
it's rebuildable; if I could do that, I could cannibalize the spring out of 
one pedal to rehab another.

My advice is to start with SPD, for Greg's reasons. If they don't work, 
there are a lot of other options, each of which looks/feels different. 
Figure out what it was that didn't work for you on the SPDs, and let that 
guide you to one of the other candidates (CB, Time, Speedplay etc.). If 
none of your available clipless options work for you, platforms are fine - 
with or without toeclips/straps.

Practice on a lawn; you'll fall down a lot at first. Most clipless newbies 
are nervous about disengaging at speed, but that almost never happens. 
You're most likely to fall over when you're going slow, or when you're 
stopping, especially of you have to stop suddenly and your instinct to 
disengage doesn't kick in fast enough to get a foot down. The half-dozen or 
so times I've fallen while cleated in have all been at red lights that had 
just turned as I approached. Since I was going slow when I fell, I mostly 
felt embarrassed, clumsy and stupid, rather than panicked. Passersby asked 
if I was OK, but I wasn't; I'd just bike-doofused in front of witnesses 

Peter "pride goeth right when you fall down" Adler
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 8:50:51 PM UTC-8 Greg J wrote:
SPDs are ubiquitous, and you can find them for nearly free (for example, I 
have a couple of old but functional sets that I can send at cost, but I 
have no spare cleats).  If you like them generally, but find that they are 
lacking in some respect, then you can try the variations on the theme 
(eggbeaters, speedplay, road pedals, time, etc.), which all try to address 
some aspect of the clipless systems (float, platform size, weight, release 
mechanism, etc.).  Or if you decide that they're not worth the hype, then 
there you go.

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[RBW] Re: A formal request to one of you...

[Bill Lindsay]

Leah

I have procured a willing partner who has agreed to conspire with me to get 
a B68 into my hands.  Dollars have not been exchanged and I don't have the 
B68 in my hands, but a gentleman's agreement has been struck and I'm 
confident I'm going to get what I asked for.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 5:31:02 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Woah, woah, wait. I went to bed with no power in an ice storm and woke up 
> to this thread. Bill, did you get your B 68 - and maybe more than one? And 
> JOE! What bike did you get? Say it’s a Platypus!
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 4:11:53 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:
>
>> I think this is perfectly legit request on Bill's part. People sell off 
>> parts from complete bikes for all sorts of reasons all the time. So I see 
>> this basically as WTB/ISO post. 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Bike rack suggestions

[Pam Bikes]

Great suggestions all.  Jason, the Swagman is near the limits on weight for 
my Betty since it has fenders, dyno, etc.  The other bike will most likely 
be a Surly Disc Trucker so both will be towards the 35 lb max weight limit.

Max mentioned a Saris which has a higher weight limit.  Max, do you have a 
picture on the rack?  Does it stabilize the frame?  Where?  I see something 
in the picture but can't see close up to see where, how it attaches to the 
bike in the middle.

The 1up price and fender cushions concern me.   I have the SKS plastic 
fenders and don't want to break them.
Thank you everyone for your suggestions.
On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 2:14:16 PM UTC-5 Jason Fuller wrote:

> I have one of these Swagman racks that have fender-friendly trays and then 
> a hook that clamps down on the top tube - and works totally fine with 
> step-thru frames as the hook can all the way down to the bottom if it needs 
> to.  We use it with my partner's fendered dutch bikes and any of my bikes 
> (except the 20" wheels and smaller) 
> https://www.swagman.ca/collections/hitch-mount-racks/products/xtc2-hitch-mount
>
> On Monday, 20 February 2023 at 11:09:24 UTC-8 Lucky wrote:
>
>> Hey! That’s cool, thanks Scott. Time to make some fender cushions.
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 10:56, greenteadrinkers  
>> wrote:
>>
>> If your car has a hitch with a 2" receiver and you can afford it, don't 
>> waste your money on anything other than a 1Up. You can get a single-bike 
>> heavy-duty rack for $430, the rack is expandable for up to 4 bikes, with 
>> each bike weighing no more than 50 lbs.
>>
>> https://www.1up-usa.com/product/quik-rack-single/
>>
>> 1Up also offers a solution to accommodate fenders, which cost $13 per 
>> wheel: 
>> https://www.1up-usa.com/product/fender-cushion/
>>
>> IMO, don't waste your time or money on anything else.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 12:20:41 PM UTC-5 Lucky wrote:
>>
>>> I have a 1up also and have experienced interference with the fenders and 
>>> the front rack/basket. I’m not sure any ideal combo of rack exists if you 
>>> have these things on your bike. I certainly tried to find a solution that 
>>> keeps the bike off the roof, and keeps bikes from rubbing/banging together. 
>>> The 1up was the closest I could find to ideal. 
>>>
>>> On Feb 20, 2023, at 09:15, Toshi Takeuchi  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Hi Jacob—it looks like the rear wheel bar on the 1up would crunch on my 
>>> full coverage rear fender. What do you think?
>>>
>>> I use a Yakima roof rack with Raptor bars with a claw for my wife’s 
>>> Betty, but those racks don’t seem to be sold anymore.
>>>
>>> Another alternative is a trunk rack with a top tube adapter for step 
>>> throughs/mixtes.
>>>
>>> I bought a bar but have never needed to use it yet. Has anyone had any 
>>> luck with those?
>>>
>>> Toshi in Oakland 
>>>
>>> On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 4:30 AM Jacob Byard  wrote:
>>>
>>> I’ve got a 1up and a Thule t2. The Thule would not work with fenders. My 
 1pu is the single bike option and does a great job. Here’s a pic with an 
 xl 
 Gus. Road solid for about 50 miles of interstate and country roads. 

 


 -Jacob

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 On Feb 20, 2023, at 7:10 AM, Brian Turner  wrote:

 

 If I had to do it all over, I’d definitely go with a 1up rack. My Küat 
 NV2.0 is great, and I’m fine with how it works with fenders and racks… but 
 I feel like a 1up would be more secure in those cases. Also, my Medium Gus 
 at 50” wheelbase is the absolute maximum length the Küat will handle.

 On Feb 20, 2023, at 1:05 AM, JAS  wrote:

 The 1Up rack has worked really well for me too.  It's spendy, but well 
 made and has worked well with my Clem, Platypus and Bike Friday (all have 
 fenders).

 Joyce

 On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:38:15 PM UTC-8 JW wrote:

> We love our 1UP rack and it works pretty well with fenders.
>
> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 9:24:08 PM UTC-8 Pam Bikes wrote:
>
>> Looking for recommendations for a bike rack for a Prius for my 
>> fendered Betty.  Lots of tray mount racks seem to not be made for 
>> fenders.  
>> And the hanging style would need a bar since my Betty is a step through. 
>>  
>> This isn't for my car.  I don't like to drive.  Thanks in advance.
>
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[RBW] Re: A formal request to one of you...

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Woah, woah, wait. I went to bed with no power in an ice storm and woke up 
to this thread. Bill, did you get your B 68 - and maybe more than one? And 
JOE! What bike did you get? Say it’s a Platypus!

On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 4:11:53 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> I think this is perfectly legit request on Bill's part. People sell off 
> parts from complete bikes for all sorts of reasons all the time. So I see 
> this basically as WTB/ISO post. 
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Re: [RBW] FS: Simworks Homage 26” x 1.95”

[iamkeith]

I'd like to buy them. Im traveling, but look for a PM.

On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 4:16:26 PM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great price on a really great tire! I have the 27.5” x 55 on my Clem & 
> they are so nice. Possible to dismiss these as “fashion” tires but they are 
> so much more. And that color is awesome.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 22, 2023, at 5:59 PM, Conway Bennett  
> wrote:
>
> All,
>
>
> I just picked these up, and clearances are too tight.  $105 net to me 
> shipped in the lower 48.  I also have Gravel King 26 x 2.1 new in the 
> package for $106 net to me shipped in the lower 48.
>
> From the seller:
>
> "Simworks Homage 26” x 1.95” MTB tire Limited Color.
>
> Panaracer Simworks Homage 26”x1.95”
>
> This particular color was a limited run and no longer available.
>
> Tires were ridden a few miles on the road but never in dirt or mud. No 
> holes."
>
> Images: https://photos.app.goo.gl/cAV48vkVSoqMKqkM6
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[RBW] Re: A formal request to one of you...

[Garth]

I think this is perfectly legit request on Bill's part. People sell off 
parts from complete bikes for all sorts of reasons all the time. So I see 
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