[RBW] Re: WTB Gus / Susie / Clem Frameset (56-59)

[Joe Bernard]

I can't figure out how to link it but scroll back a couple pages for thread 
FS: Susie/Wolbis, it's a Dark Gold 56cm. Also listed on Ebay. 

On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 10:37:02 PM UTC-8 dylant...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey Ya'll
>
> Trying to track down a Gus in 57, Susie in 56, or Clem L in 59. Open to 
> any color. Ideally looking for a frame set only, but would be open to a 
> whole bike. 
>
> Located in NYC, and can drive ~3 hours or so to pick up, if further, happy 
> to cover packing / shipping.
>
> Thanks!
>

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[RBW] Brought Home A New Puppy!

[R. Alexis]

Got back from a very eventful trip to Chicago. While there was at the REI 
in Lincoln Park browsing around. Was at the service area and chatting with 
the guy behind the counter inquiring about cable donuts and saw a bin of 
stuff with a couple frames. They were going to be recycled and the top tube 
was sawed through. One of the frames was a burgundy Trek 800 sport in 16.5" 
size, not my size. Was wanting a cable stop for a project. Guy let me take 
the frame and fork to hack out what I needed. 

The frame looked hardly used. Like it was bought, ridden here and there and 
possibly ended up a REI for repair and abandoned. Don't know why they 
wouldn't just donate it to one of the several community bike shops in 
Chicago.  

If anyone wants this for, whatever for free let me know. I have enough 
projects without taking on another one. 

Thanks,

Reginald Alexis

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[RBW] WTB Gus / Susie / Clem Frameset (56-59)

[Dylan Neuhaus]

Hey Ya'll

Trying to track down a Gus in 57, Susie in 56, or Clem L in 59. Open to any 
color. Ideally looking for a frame set only, but would be open to a whole 
bike. 

Located in NYC, and can drive ~3 hours or so to pick up, if further, happy 
to cover packing / shipping.

Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: Riv Riders in Western NC

[Nick Shoemaker]

Just putting my name down in the "happy to travel from Knoxville for a 
Riv-ride" column...

On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 9:38:04 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:

> I am out of my league when it comes to orgainizing things (anything). Pam 
> in Charlotte (on this list) is much better at it than me as she does it all 
> the time. Downside is she doesn't know the area all that well. Could be 
> wrong about that. 
>
> Would enjoy a group ride and would be cool to get others from as far away 
> as Kentucky and/or Knoxville Tn to join us. If anybody wants to stay 
> overnight Jann and I have two guest bedrooms and lots of floorspace for 
> those who may not mind crashing there in a sleeping bag. Neat little 50's 
> style motel nearby too.  Lots of camping options including backcountry in 
> the Pisgah National Forest. 
>
> 99% of my road riding is slow and solo. Leave from my house for various 
> amounts of time and distance, based on how my 73 year old body feels at the 
> time. 
>
> Thinking out loud...many good local shops in town. They could 
> suggest routes. Or we could do a section of the Blue Ridge Parkway which 
> would mean out and back or arranging for some kind of shuttle service. 
> Parkway is beautiful. Lots of 'scenic overlook spots' every few miles. 
> Hilly in lots of places. As best I can recall the elevation along the ridge 
> near us is 3 to 5,000 feet. Riding up to the Parkway and back from Brevard 
> would be about 30 miles, round trip. Or longer if you wanted to add some 
> parkway miles once we got up there. For me, that would be a hard ride. 
>
> What's next? Does someone here wanna organize? All done on this thread or 
> do we start a new one?
>
> Spring and fall are georgeous here. Summer too but it can be hot and 
> humid. Plus, we are in a temperate rain forest so it rains a lot. 
>
> Had no idea my post looking for Rivs in the area would generate this kinda 
> response. It's great!!!
>
> Dick
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 2:24:27 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Dick, just saying "thank you" for kicking off this thread. Interesting to 
>> see the number of Riv riders in the area.
>>
>> If you ever take a notion to organize a Brevard area ride for Riv riders 
>> (and Riv curious, like myself) I'd be interested. Between the Brevard paved 
>> greenway network, the dirt trail into the National Forest at Pisgah Forest 
>> and the breweries/eateries along the greenway - and whatever routes you 
>> Brevard locals keep secret - I bet a low key party pace ride could be a fun 
>> event. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 9:31:53 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
>>
>>> Thanx to all responding to my western NC post. Good to know. 
>>> First..to Pamtook your CC class in Clt few years ago. Still 
>>> benefitting from it. Good friend of David S who I think  is member of this 
>>> group too. To Michaelwill keep eyes open for your father here in 
>>> Brevard. At 73, I'm guessing I'm as old or older than him. :-) To Steve in 
>>> Asheville. I know the areas you mention well. The hills around here can be 
>>> brutal, especially for an old slow guy like me. 
>>>
>>> I've ridden from my home in Brevard to the Parkway (Blue Ridge Parkway) 
>>> once, up 276 and back down. ~ 40 miles round trip with tough elevation 
>>> gain, especially the last few miles, before heading back down. Ever 
>>> thankful for my super comfortable 61 Homer that Keven helped me with back 
>>> when he was still at Riv. Great guy. 
>>>
>>> I get the usual comments about my bike. Nice bike! How old is it? Among 
>>> others.
>>>
>>> Dick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 8:58:27 AM UTC-5 lconley wrote:
>>>
 I don't live in NC, but my sister lives in Pittsboro, and I generally 
 make it up there a couple of times a year. I will be there the 1st week of 
 July this year at a minimum.

 Laing

 On Tuesday, February 14, 2023 at 7:36:20 AM UTC-5 James wrote:

> I'm a Riv rider in West Asheville
>
> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 11:03:21 PM UTC-5 lukeheller wrote:
>
>> I used to ride a Riv Canti-Rom for a few years when i first started 
>> riding brevets in 2012.
>> No longer ride a riv but all my bikes are riv inspired. I've had 
>> several custom frames that are spin offs from my canti-rom.
>> I'm the local organizer for the Asheville Intl Randonneurs and live 
>> in Asheville if anyone wants to drink the kool-aid.
>>
>> On Monday, February 13, 2023 at 9:33:52 PM UTC-5 steve...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm in Asheville. Not currently on a Riv but am giving one some 
>>> serious thought (which is why I'm on this group). I occasionally ride 
>>> fire 
>>> roads in the Pisgah starting from the Hub. Last spring I did a ride 
>>> from 
>>> the Arboretum at Bent Creek to the Hub (still sore from that one!). 
>>> Been 
>>> thinking Oscar Blues or Ecusta 

Re: [RBW] Re: Pedal Question

[Noah Swartz]

Since it seems like people here are pretty experienced with flat pedals
I'll ask a question.
I ride flats all the time, but I find that on especially long rides (100+
mi) or if I'm putting out too much power (like straining up a hill) I start
to get foot pain.
Does anyone have good recommendations for flat pedals that are better on
the feet (I'm a US 10.5 shoe size) - or advice for avoiding foot cramping
or pain?

On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 10:05 PM Luke Hendrickson <
phendricks...@paulpath.net> wrote:

> Platforms > clipless IMO. I’ve ridden both and like less hassle and fewer
> impediments to hopping on a bike. Should you not wish to listen to a
> stranger on the Internet and wish to go full steam ahead, I suggest SPDs
> especially since, were one to break out on the road, replacement cleats or
> screws are readily available at most LBSs. Many other clipless pedal
> options are not.
>
> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 11:46:09 AM UTC-8 Josiah Anderson wrote:
>
>> I agree with Ted, clipless pedals are not useful for most of the riding I
>> do. That riding consists of commuting, trail riding, long and fast-ish road
>> rides, and both paved and off-road touring. The only time I still use
>> clipless pedals is for racing (which I do just a little of); platforms are
>> much better the rest of the time. Maybe I don't care about foot attachment
>> as much as some people, considering that I'm also a telemark skier, but I
>> think having your foot solidly attached is overrated. I think a lot of the
>> time people do it because they feel like they have to or it's what everyone
>> else is doing, even when there's not a good reason to- that was me for
>> years before I realized how good flat pedals are. Getting a nice pair of
>> pedals helped too- I got a good deal on some thin Crank Brothers platforms
>> with good spikes and nice bearings and they made me like flat pedals a lot
>> more.
>>
>> That being said, if you really want to try clipless pedals, I recommend
>> Time ATACs. They're the only clipless pedals I've used for the last few
>> years after moving away from SPDs and (eewww) Look road pedals, and I like
>> them for the float and the reasonably supportive pedal body as well as for
>> their performance in muddy conditions (I do race some cyclocross). SPDs
>> work fine too though, and maybe cheaper and easier to find.
>>
>> Josiah Anderson
>> Missoula, MT
>>
>> Le dim. 19 févr. 2023 à 07:22, Ted Durant  a écrit :
>>
>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 9:17:48 AM UTC-5 Dick Pahle wrote:
>>> trust  its ok to ask for product recomendation here. been riding with
>>> toe clips forever and ready to switch to clipless. anyone here have
>>> thoughts about a good pedal for a beginner. something easy to get in and
>>> out of. i get indegestion looking at all the different kinds/styles/types.
>>>
>>> Okay, I'll be the first to say it ... don't bother! I use Crank Brothers
>>> eggbeater pedals on most of my bikes, and I'm about to put some flat pedals
>>> on one of my regulars and do a fair amount of riding without bindings to
>>> see if I really still want them. I started going down the no-binding path a
>>> while ago, but much of my riding was commuting and I actually liked
>>> bindings for being able to accelerate quickly in traffic. If I was doing
>>> any group riding, I'd still want them, and for that reason even if I ditch
>>> the eggbeaters for most of my bikes, I will still keep them on my "group
>>> ride" bike (my Riv Road).
>>>
>>> That said, I've been very happy with eggbeaters because 1) they're super
>>> easy entry and exit (as long as you replace the cleats regularly), 2) low
>>> profile cleats with lots of walkable shoe options, 3)there's no tension
>>> adjustment required and the shoe-cleat-pedal interface is secure as long as
>>> you replace the cleats regularly and use shims as needed, 4) choice of
>>> fixed or floating cleats (I prefer fixed), 5) no extra weight. You do want
>>> shoes with fairly stiff soles, because the pedal itself offers no support.
>>> On the down side, they don't have a flat/binding two-sided option, but that
>>> hasn't been an issue for me. I have a box full of old Shimano pedals and
>>> cleats. I could never get happy with the shoe-cleat-pedal interface, it was
>>> always too loose and wobbly or too hard to release.
>>>
>>> Ted Durant
>>> Milwaukee WI USA
>>>
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[RBW] Roadini ride quality

[Douglas Toh]

Hey everyone

I've just gotten a Roadini 2022 frame in 54cm, looking to save up money for 
parts and build it up slowly.

I'm really excited- never owned a Riv before, much less a Roadini.

For Roadini owners, how does it ride?

Cheers,
Doug

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[RBW] Re: Toyo Atlantis fit question, and maybe purchase help

[dylan green]

Same deal for me - 5'10" - 86 pbh and I had a 58 Toyo built atlantis. 
Personally, I never really liked the fit. It was 
hard to let go of because it was such a beautiful bike, and did ride really 
well. The reach was what got me in 
the end. I had a similar issue with my quickbeam (58) - both of them felt 
just too long. 

On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 5:11:05 PM UTC-8 dougP wrote:

> Kurt:
>
> I'm 5'10" & also run a 75cm saddle height. PBH of 84. I bought my 58 cm 
> Toyo Atlantis in 2003 & it's been my primary bike for 20 years. Plenty of 
> loaded touring as well as bopping around town & some trail riding. It's had 
> various handlebars as I've gotten older & stiffer. Currently have the Map 
> Ahearne bars with an 80 mm Dirt Drop stem.
>
> I see "vallejo" in the ad. That suggests the bike is on the east side of 
> the Bay. If you can find someone there to pick up the bike, they could drop 
> it off at Rivendell for proper packing & shipping. It sounds like they're 
> pretty busy right now so it may take a while but the peace of mind of their 
> packing it may be worthwhile. They aren't the least costly shipper but they 
> sure do an excellent job of packing.
>
> dougP
>
> On Sunday, February 19, 2023 at 8:39:39 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Kurt
>>
>> You bought my Rosco Road, and know how it fit(s).  I also have had a 58 
>> Toyo Atlantis ramble through my stable and it fit splendidly.  The reason a 
>> 58.5cm top tube give you pause is because it is coupled with a slacker seat 
>> tube than most other bikes. On a Rivendell, if you are thinking correctly 
>> about saddle position, you'll be in the middle of the rails on a Riv, where 
>> you'd be slammed back on most normal bikes.  That's 1.5cm or more right 
>> there.  
>>
>> Anyway, go for it and sell me back my Rosco!
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Friday, February 17, 2023 at 1:53:00 PM UTC-8 Kurt Henry wrote:
>>
>>> A recent thread about the red 58cm Toyo Atlantis for sale in the Bay 
>>> Area (
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/vallejo-rivendell-atlantis-58/7578102714.html)
>>>  
>>> has brought back an old desire to have an early Atlantis.  It's a model 
>>> I've looked at for years but never pulled the trigger.  So that brings me 
>>> to my two questions.
>>>
>>> First, I should fit according to the brochure.  I'm 5'10" and run a 75cm 
>>> saddle height, which is the very bottom edge of a 58cm from that era.  The 
>>> 58.5 top tube would normally give me pause (~34/35" sleeve length) but I 
>>> want to run it with flat bars, as the red one is currently set up.  That 
>>> should help with the top tube length.  Has anyone of my rough dimensions 
>>> ridden a 58cm Toyo and can comment on their experience?
>>>
>>> Unless someone comes out of the last question screaming, "Danger, Will 
>>> Robinson" we move to my second question: is there a Rivver in the Bay Area 
>>> that would be willing to check it out for me, hand over the payment, and 
>>> drop it at a local shop that I could work with to pack and ship it?  I'm in 
>>> Pennsylvania and they state 'no shipping' in the ad.  I'm happy to 
>>> reimburse you for the trouble.
>>>
>>> Thanks everyone!
>>> Kurt Henry
>>> Lancaster, PA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Atlantis Old vs New?

[Tyler McClure]

I am searching for a used Atlantis as my introductory first, Rivendell, 
during my fall into the rabbit hole of the internet and bike opinions. I 
have been steered toward the newer model Atlantis, but the Atlantis 2's are 
cheaper and more readily available. I want to know whether anyone has ever 
ridden the Atlantis 2 & 3? I am looking for honest opinions on the frame 
geometry and ride feel. I like the idea of riding a long, old, vintage 
Cadillac of a frame unless it is very limiting. The newest Atlantis has a 
very long chain stay, and I am curious as to how this compares with the 
older models. I have a large interest in loaded touring and riding fire 
roads here in Montana, but I mostly ride roads and lazy gravel rides. I am 
looking at an Atlantis 2 (not local at all) with 26" wheels. I have ridden 
all wheel sizes and am not biased toward any particular size.

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[RBW] Re: ISO Rene Herse cable hanger

[Femi Agbabiaka]

FWIW: Riv sells a steel hanger for 6 bucks that performs really well in my 
experience: https://www.rivbike.com/products/headset-brake-hanger-steel-silver
  
On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 8:15:45 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> "...but I'm looking for a steel one..." Meant to remove that clause; in 
> fact the RH one seems to be aluminum and still is -- claimed to be -- very 
> stiff. The real points are stiff, long, and under HS locknut.
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2023 at 7:07 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> Thanks Skip and Kim, but I'm looking for a steel one that fits under the 
>> threaded headset locknut and has a longish drop. I daresay that the very 
>> shallow steel Shimano one I now have doesn't flex much, but I do want to 
>> make the front Paul Neo Retros as strong as possible and hope that the RH 
>> is as perfectly stiff as advertised. And, second, there's not much quill 
>> showing over the locknut and the shallow Nitto crowds the housing near 
>> the clamp, so I want a model with long drop and one that fits under and not 
>> over the locknut
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[Nick in Sac]

For sale is my former Roadini. Bought it and it turned out to be too big 
for me, looks like it is being sold by the guy who purchased it from me.

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/584646726892255/?ref=browse_tab_code=marketplace_top_picks_story_type=top_picks

On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 10:54:52 AM UTC-7 mitchel...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> Clem Smith JR
> 52cm
> 1,200
> SF,CA
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7592901709.html
> On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-8 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: 331260312_5892573310828901_6836777437665179310_n.jpg]
>>
>> Sam Hillborne F/F/HS
>> 62cm
>> $1,200
>> Vienna, VA
>>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/953093402735635/?ref=search_code=null_story_type=post
>>
>> On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 7:40:26 PM UTC-5 Eric Marth wrote:
>>
>>> [image: s-l1600.jpg]
>>>
>>> Paging brendonoid! 
>>>
>>> Rivendell custom cyclocross
>>> 58cm
>>> $2,800 USD / $4,000 AUD (plus shipping) 
>>> Melbourne, Australia 
>>>
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/334623181381
>>>
>>> On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 12:15:57 PM UTC-5 Tom Palmer wrote:
>>>
 The Platypus above is sold. It is in my garage now.
 Tom

 On Monday, February 6, 2023 at 2:12:57 AM UTC-5 Joe Bernard wrote:

> 62cm double-tube Appaloosa in SF Bay. This is either underpriced or 
> the Riv market is finally having a reality check. 
>
>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7586412968.html
>
> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 6:30:07 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Rivendell Touring
>> No size listed
>> $3,000 
>> Lexington, KY 
>>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/399785835688755/?hoisted=false=search_code=null_story_type=post
>>
>> [image: 307812527_5541503645919163_3580851272735801391_n.jpg]
>>
>> Platypus
>> 60cm
>> $3,000
>> Grand Rapids, MI
>>
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1302632586938953/?hoisted=false=search_code=null_story_type=post
>>
>> [image: 302796712_4687769534658839_715238091324189516_n.jpg]
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Compact Half-Step plus Granny gearing

[Garth]

Funny you should post this Laing as I'm considering going back to HS+G 
myself for at least one bike. Also considering drop bars for the Bombadil, 
the lower and more forward I get the better I feel. The bottom line for me 
is I really like 7-speed, even 6-speed freewheels, and the lack of hub and 
cassette choices only steers me to make another set of 135mm FW wheels with 
a set of solid axle Specialized hubs(Purchased as a 140mm tandem set). I 
already have two Phil rears, I have hubs for 3 more. (Damm shame PW doesn't 
offer the FW hubs anymore, one reason I'll never buy anything from them 
again... rant rant rant ...). I like FW hubs, having independent freewheels 
from the hub. I also have many freewheels, for this I may use the 
13/15/17/20/24/28/32 NOS Sachs or possibly a new 14/16/18/21/24/28/34 
Sunrace of SImplex, with 26/44/48 rings(I've done before), maybe changing 
the big ones to 42/46 or even 46/50.

I love riding the 44, easily my favorite ring in this gearing. On my road 
bike with a 36/46, it's the 46. I think many people who have either raced 
or simply ride bigger rings do it because big rings and big-ger cogs(24 to 
32) feel really efficient, just plain nice. 

I also dig 36 holes. Call me old fashioned, I've just always purchased 36 
hole hubs and rims, save a few recent Shimano T610's. All my better hubs 
are 36 hole. I'd even consider getting a 174mm solid axle for my Campy SR 
hubs to use as 135mm OLD. They're just so nice and have been sitting around 
since the early 90's. 

I know Riv is working on a 7 speed cassette hub, but I'm not holding my 
breath that it'll be quiet or there won't be some other gotchas. Not to 
mention cassette choices, what few there are, are all wrong for me. While I 
appreciate the general idea of manual shifting, steel frames and having 
some of their own branded parts, where the rubber meets the road I don't 
relate to the manner of which those are implemented by Riv. Kind of a 
bummer, but not actually, there's more out there. 



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[RBW] Re: FS: a bunch of bags

[Julian Westerhout]

Update below with what is still available. thanks!  


For sale are a bunch of bags — I seem to keep accumulating bags, and it is 
again time for a purge. 

All prices do not include shipping. 

Photos can be seen at   https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAtseT

Acorn Medium Rando Bag —brown — like new, older style rack attachment — see 
photos.  $125

Acorn large saddlebag — brown — in very good condition  $85

Ortlieb medium saddlebag — tiny bit of dirt, but very light use, with mount 
and instructions. $40

Carradice saddlebag — green — not sure of model. Almost new  $70

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

On Saturday, February 25, 2023 at 3:31:45 PM UTC-6 Julian Westerhout wrote:

> For sale are a bunch of bags — I seem to keep accumulating bags, and it is 
> again time for a purge. 
>
> All prices do not include shipping. 
>
> Photos can be seen at   https://flic.kr/s/aHBqjAtseT
>
>
> Swift Motherloaf basket Bag — brand new with tags — Black — description 
> here https://builtbyswift.com/shop/motherloaf-basket-bag/$130
>
>
> Acorn Medium Rando Bag —brown — like new, older style rack attachment — 
> see photos.  $125
>
> Acorn large saddlebag — brown — in very good condition  $85
>
> Guu Watanabe frame bag — tan — this is a slim bag designed to fit inside a 
> frame or on the seat post of a folding bike — light use, impeccable 
> workmanship   $90 
>
> Ortlieb medium saddlebag — tiny bit of dirt, but very light use, with 
> mount and instructions. $40
>
> Carradice saddlebag — green — not sure of model. Almost new  $70
>
> Carradice saddlebag — black, not sure of model (barley?) — fair amount of 
> use — lots of life left — the straps to attach to saddle and seat post seem 
> to have gone walkabout, so not included unless you get lucky and I find 
> them!   :) $25
>
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sharing Your Winter Ride Fotos 2023

[Eric Marth]

Hi Paul — I think the photo you posted is a different location, but also 
familiar and a stone's throw from my office :) 

On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 3:46:13 PM UTC-5 Bikie#4646 wrote:

> Hey Eric, I recognize that place from a bike trip in 2016! Cool backdrop! 
> Fast and less fast.
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/24067030171/in/album-72157662986712831/
>
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
> On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:48:05 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Definitely all balm'd up over here in Virginia. In the 80s on Thursday, 
>> high 50s on Friday. Cold this weekend which I was actually grateful for 
>> because it's just been too weirdly warm. Cold on my ride this morning but 
>> evidently warming to 60 and sunny this afternoon. 
>>
>> Here's one from Friday and a stop at the local airfield. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_5332.jpg]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 2:29:30 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>>
>>> Russell,
>>>
>>> I'm sure you enjoyed the "balmy" temperature for your winter ride on 
>>> Monday. From one Mercian owner to another, your Vincitore looks terrific! 
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rich in ATL
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 10:20 AM Russell Duncan  
>>> wrote:
>>>
 [image: EFC94039-C235-4980-938B-C4C68D0CF0F9.jpeg]
 Out ‘n about here with no snow to speak of in the Connecticut River 
 Valley of western Massachusetts, where it was 57 degrees on Monday, George 
 Washington’s Birthday, with maple syrup flowing. I don’t yet own a 
 Rivendell but I’ve got a few British bikes that probably ride that way, 
 like my 1996 Mercian Vincitore. 

 Russell Duncan
 Western Massachusetts USA 


 On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 9:40:10 AM UTC-5 Stephanie A. wrote:

> No snow, no trees even, but this is what loading up on groceries 
> before the cold snap in the northeast a couple of weeks ago looked 
> like:[image: 
> D4FE0A86-0253-4B41-A999-5D1A808662AE.jpeg]
>
> On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 1:50:44 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson 
> wrote:
>
>> [image: D9539EDE-D92A-487B-BC9A-5F3B2DEA0A5A.jpeg][image: 
>> 8E16EAF3-1E44-4606-B6F3-B482DA61E183.jpeg]
>>
>> Luke in SF
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 12:17:17 PM UTC-8 DavidP wrote:
>>
>>> Like Takashi, we've had a warm spell here and all my February rides 
>>> have been spring like.
>>>
>>> Here's the Platypus out a few days ago:
>>> [image: PXL_20230218_210402353-1800.jpg]
>>>
>>> And from yesterday, my doublespeed Volpe that is recently sporting 
>>> Albatross bars:
>>> [image: PXL_20230220_181318011-1800.jpg]
>>>
>>> Today we are back to winter as we got some snow overnight and have 
>>> colder temps in the forecast for the next week or so.
>>>
>>> -Dave (near Boston)
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 2:26:13 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas 
>>> wrote:
>>>




 Well, it's officially still winter here in Dallas,TX. although 
 yesterday I met up with a friend at White Rock Lake in mid-70's breezy 
 temps and enjoyed a ride.

 I'm on my 1981 Austro Daimler Puch Vent Noir II and he's on his 
 about 3 year old Homer Hilson.

 It was a good day to be out and about.

 Paul in Dallas 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sharing Your Winter Ride Fotos 2023

['Bikie#4646' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hey Eric, I recognize that place from a bike trip in 2016! Cool backdrop! 
Fast and less fast.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/bikecrazy-paul/24067030171/in/album-72157662986712831/

Paul Germain
Midlothian, Va.

On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 11:48:05 AM UTC-5 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Definitely all balm'd up over here in Virginia. In the 80s on Thursday, 
> high 50s on Friday. Cold this weekend which I was actually grateful for 
> because it's just been too weirdly warm. Cold on my ride this morning but 
> evidently warming to 60 and sunny this afternoon. 
>
> Here's one from Friday and a stop at the local airfield. 
>
> [image: IMG_5332.jpg]
>
>
>
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 2:29:30 PM UTC-5 RichS wrote:
>
>> Russell,
>>
>> I'm sure you enjoyed the "balmy" temperature for your winter ride on 
>> Monday. From one Mercian owner to another, your Vincitore looks terrific! 
>>
>> Best,
>> Rich in ATL
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 22, 2023 at 10:20 AM Russell Duncan  wrote:
>>
>>> [image: EFC94039-C235-4980-938B-C4C68D0CF0F9.jpeg]
>>> Out ‘n about here with no snow to speak of in the Connecticut River 
>>> Valley of western Massachusetts, where it was 57 degrees on Monday, George 
>>> Washington’s Birthday, with maple syrup flowing. I don’t yet own a 
>>> Rivendell but I’ve got a few British bikes that probably ride that way, 
>>> like my 1996 Mercian Vincitore. 
>>>
>>> Russell Duncan
>>> Western Massachusetts USA 
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 9:40:10 AM UTC-5 Stephanie A. wrote:
>>>
 No snow, no trees even, but this is what loading up on groceries before 
 the cold snap in the northeast a couple of weeks ago looked like:[image: 
 D4FE0A86-0253-4B41-A999-5D1A808662AE.jpeg]

 On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 1:50:44 AM UTC-5 Luke Hendrickson 
 wrote:

> [image: D9539EDE-D92A-487B-BC9A-5F3B2DEA0A5A.jpeg][image: 
> 8E16EAF3-1E44-4606-B6F3-B482DA61E183.jpeg]
>
> Luke in SF
>
> On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 12:17:17 PM UTC-8 DavidP wrote:
>
>> Like Takashi, we've had a warm spell here and all my February rides 
>> have been spring like.
>>
>> Here's the Platypus out a few days ago:
>> [image: PXL_20230218_210402353-1800.jpg]
>>
>> And from yesterday, my doublespeed Volpe that is recently sporting 
>> Albatross bars:
>> [image: PXL_20230220_181318011-1800.jpg]
>>
>> Today we are back to winter as we got some snow overnight and have 
>> colder temps in the forecast for the next week or so.
>>
>> -Dave (near Boston)
>>
>> On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 2:26:13 PM UTC-5 Paul in Dallas 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, it's officially still winter here in Dallas,TX. although 
>>> yesterday I met up with a friend at White Rock Lake in mid-70's breezy 
>>> temps and enjoyed a ride.
>>>
>>> I'm on my 1981 Austro Daimler Puch Vent Noir II and he's on his 
>>> about 3 year old Homer Hilson.
>>>
>>> It was a good day to be out and about.
>>>
>>> Paul in Dallas 
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[Mike Packard]

53 Sam in Gainesville GA. No relationship to seller

https://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/bik/d/gainesville-rivendell-hillborne/7593509015.html

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Re: [RBW] Compact Half-Step plus Granny gearing

[Keith Paugh]

This is really cool. Interesting ideas at play.I want to see it in action.k.On Feb 26, 2023, at 9:49 AM, lconley  wrote:Among other changes that I am making to my Bombadil, I am converting to my favorite triple gearing: a half-step plus granny. The idea behind a half-step plus granny is that the two large chainrings on a triple are close in size so that you can split the difference (half-step) between any two sprockets on the rear. The inner chainring on the front is a small bailout or "granny" gear. This strategy works best when you have a limited number of rear cogs - fairly unnecessary when you have 11 or 12 rear cogs. The rear cogs should maintain as constant of a % difference (step) as possible - this means that the number of teeth difference between cogs will increase as the cogs get larger.I had a Sugino triple on the front - I kept the stainless steel 24t granny and used TA Zephyr 39 and 42 middle and outer chainrings (from Peter White). The 7 speed freewheel is an NOS Suntour New Winner 12-14-16-18-21-26-34 that I bought a few years back for this purpose (they seem to have gotten very pricey as of late). This gives me 18 distinct, non-overlapping gears from 19 to 95. You do have to double shift (front and rear) sometimes to get the gear you want. When I was younger, I taped my gear ratios on top of the stem.I use 7 speed freewheels for the rear hub for the same reason that Rivendell is looking into producing 7 speed cassette hubs - less wheel dish means a stronger wheel. So far I have acquired 3 Phil Wood rear hubs that were either 7 speed 135mm, or that I converted to 7 speed 135mm - a 36 hole, 40 hole and my latest - an NOS 48 hole. The 48 hole is going on the Bombadil to replace the 40 on it now.One kind of odd thing about this is that the chainrings have ramps and pins, but the freewheel has none. I expect it to shift just fine. Rear derailleur is all silver Sun XCD and the front will be either the all silver IRD Alpina-d already on the bike or an all silver IRD Sub-C - whichever plays best with the chainring combination. The chain is a stainless steel Wippermann 8 speed that I have ultrasonically cleaned and Molten Speed Waxed.Bar end shifters will be either Dura-Ace 8 speed or Rivendell Silver 2. If the indexing works with the Dura-Ace shifters - they will be used, otherwise friction will be the Silver 2.LaingDelray Beach FL



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[RBW] FS: 62 cm Joe Appaloosa complete or f/f/hs/sp

[gordo]

Hi All,

It's time to move this Appaloosa on to someone who will ride it more.  I'm 
the second owner and the bike is mechanically sound - plenty of scuffs, 
nicks and paint blems from riding and locking up in town.  I'd prefer a 
local sale in the Bay Area as shipping a large bike is a bit of a pain.  I 
have a 91 cm pbh and am pretty close to the low end of the sizing range for 
this frame.

Build details:

Frame/fork: 62 cm Joe Appaloosa (silver and cream)
Headset: FSA 1” threaded
Stem: Nitto Technomic 
Bars: Nitto/Rivendell Billie
Shifters: Microshift thumbies (set up in friction mode)
Brake levers: Origin 8 Duo (work for canti and V brakes)
Grips: Oury/ Blue Lug special edition 
Brakes: Shimano Deore V brakes
Front derailleur: Shimano CX70 
Rear Derailleur: Shimano Deore 
Crankset: Sugino OX601D sub-compact with 38-24 chainrings
Pedals: MKS Grip Monarch
Wheels: built by Rich Lesnik (Hands On Wheels) - Velocity Dyad rims, 
Shimano dynamo front hub, Shimano LX rear hub
Cassette: 11-36 9 speed
Tires: Rene Herse Hatcher Pass Endurance casing (700x48 mm)
Fenders: SKS 
Dynamo light: Busch & Muller IQ-X
Bottle cages: King Cage

Asking $2200 complete or $1100 for frame/fork/headset/seatpost.

Here's a link to the Craigslist ad with photos 

.

Thanks,

Eric




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[RBW] Re: The Riv goes "Spinal Tap"

[Drew Saunders]

Nick,

Thanks for that information. This explains all the various options 
well: 
https://brainybiker.com/can-you-put-an-11-speed-cassette-on-a-10-speed-hub-fast-answer/

Shimano’s SLX line is reasonably affordable, and they make an 11-40. More 
stuff to contemplate for next winter.

Drew

On Sunday, February 26, 2023 at 2:23:27 AM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:

> On Sunday, 26 February 2023 at 9:11:13 am UTC+11 Drew Saunders wrote:
>
> The hub on the Ibis is 8/9/10 only, but I may convert it to 2x10 next 
> rainy season.
>
>
> The Shimano 11-34 11s cassettes fit fine on 8/9/10-speed HG hubs. As do 
> all the larger 11s MTB cassettes. The bracing angle of the spokes means 
> that the large cog on those cassettes can sit further inwards than the 
> large cog on smaller cassettes, so they are made with the large cog 
> overhanging to the inside, and will fit on the older hubs. If you fit one 
> of those cassettes to a hub intended for 11s road cassettes, you need to 
> fit a 1.8mm spacer on the inside of the cassette, or the lockring will 
> bottom out before it has tightened on the cassette.
>
> Nick Payne
>

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[RBW] For Sale: Classic Dale Saso Tandem Bicycle 53cm/51cm (CTT)

[Brewster Fong]

 For Sale: Classic Dale Saso Tandem Bicycle 53cm/51cm (CTT)

This is a circa 1988 Dale Saso custom-built tandem with mostly Campagnolo 
parts. The fillet-brazed frame itself is in excellent condition with little 
signs of wear and no rust or dents. The workmanship is superb as 
illustrated in the pictures of the fillet brazing on the head tube and seat 
post cluster (photos 4, 5 and 6). The color is a silver-blue fading to 
silver, front to rear with a color-matching Silca pump. The components are 
mostly Campagnolo. The frame was custom-ordered in the late 1980’s and 
built by Dale Saso, a custom bike builder located in San Jose, CA. The bike 
is currently located in San Francisco, CA. Would prefer a local sale in the 
SF Bay Area. I am listing this for a friend who is an architect as can be 
seen by his artful freehand notes

 Frame: double diamond configuration (no diagonal “marathon” tubes). 
Fillet-brazed.
 Seat tube: measures 53cm (captain) x 51cm (stoker) measured center of 
bottom bracket to the top of the seat tube (ctt). 
 Top tube: 21” captain’s top tube x 25” stoker’s top tube (measured center 
to center). 
 Head angle: 73 degrees. 
 Fork Rake 1-3/4”
 Bottom Bracket: oval (“boom”) tube connecting both bottom brackets
 Wheel size: 27” clinchers but adjustable for 700c.
 Hubs: Phil Wood hubs
-Front: 108mm (with standard spoke holes with Campagnolo quick release – 40 
hole
-Rear: 140 mm (with standard spoke holes) comprised of 26mm brake space, 
78mm body and 36mm (6-speed) cluster space. Allen bolt release. 40 hole. 
 Rims: Super Champion Competition 27”
 Tires: Specialized Touring 27” clinchers 
 Headset: Campagnolo Nuovo Record
 Brakes: Mafac cantilever Campagnolo Record braze-on front and Mafac brake 
levers
 Pedals: Campagnolo Superleggero with ALE toe clips and Alfredo Binda 
straps
 Crankset: Campagnolo triple
 Chain: Regina Record Oro drilled
 Derailleurs: Campagnolo Rally (rear) and Nuovo Record front braze-on
 Shifters: Nuovo Record braze-ons
 Freewheel: 6-Speed English threaded
 Handlebars: Cinelli Giro-Italia front/3T(?) stem and 3T handlebar rear 
with custom stem both wrapped with black cloth
 Water bottom mounts (4): with 4 ALE alloy cages
 Pump: color-matched frame-fit Silca 
 Seatpost: Campagnolo Super record front; rear?
 Saddle: front Concor Superleggera front; rear?

Asking price: $1875 plus shipping 
Payment accepted: cash and paypal +3% fees (unless using “friends and 
family”)

Link to photos;
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-fs-classic-dale-saso/7593452133.html

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[RBW] Re: Bombadil and Hunqapillar origins: The definitive thread

[Eric Marth]

Thanks for the links, Gino. 

Here in 2023 I think we'd all be down for a Bombadil at $1,600 for the 
frame and fork. 

On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 11:17:41 PM UTC-5 Gino Zahnd wrote:

> In 2008 I rode the Bomba prototype for a few weeks. Here are my photos 
> from then:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/albums/72157607024143730
>
> And my review of it in 2008:
>
> https://chicogino.blogspot.com/2008/05/rivendell-bombadil-my-two-week-fling.html
>
> On Sunday, December 11, 2022 at 8:16:08 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> It seems the Bombadil and Hunqapillar frames are beloved. They're stout, 
>> beautiful, and sometimes have intricate additional tubes and lugs. While 
>> I've done a lot of reading about Rivendell I was a bit unclear on the 
>> origins and intended uses of these frames. 
>>
>> I wanted to start a thread where we could share and dump info about these 
>> bikes along with pictures of builds. 
>>
>> Joe and Jim were helpful in laying out a bit of background in another 
>> thread 
>> , 
>> there's 
>> some great info there. 
>>
>> The original Hunqapillar catalog is up here: 
>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>
>> The first mention I can find of the Bombadil is in RR 41, sometime in 
>> 2009. Excerpted pages attached. As a few members might recall I am very 
>> into raw frames with brass spilling out of the lugs! I know that many 
>> Bombadil owners have had their frames repainted like Jason Fuller, whose 
>> absolute stunner shows up here from time to time. By the way, the picture 
>> below is one of my very favorite Rivendell images. 
>>
>> [image: Jason Bombadil green.jpg]
>>
>> There's also the butter-banana Bombadil that recently sold on eBay. I 
>> believe that one was purchased by John Watson of the Radavist (and he's got 
>> a Hunq) so we might see some nice pics of that bike sometime soon. 
>>
>> [image: s-l1600-2.jpg]
>>
>> And speaking of, here's John's Hunqapillar, more images and write-up here 
>> .
>>
>> [image: Johns-Rivendell-Hunqapillar-29er-Klunker-76.jpg] 
>>
>> Are both of these frame names borrowing from Tolkien? I understand RBW 
>> had to stop using Tolkien names. 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: 26" dynamo wheelset, studded tires

[Joe D.]

To answer some questions I got -- Yes, they fit in the Surly frames that 
take the whole variety of wheels sizes, from quick release, thru-axle, to 
boost.

And yes, I'll sell just the wheels and lights. That's $200 shipped.

On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 1:22:16 PM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:

> And I forgot to mention that I'm happy to separate out the  Schwalbe 
> studded tires (26" X 2") for $80, shipped.
>
> Thanks!
>
> On Monday, February 20, 2023 at 2:28:10 PM UTC-7 Joe D. wrote:
>
>> Wishing-for-spring cleanout!
>>
>> For sale is the dynamo wheelset off my Yuba Mundo cargo bike. These are 
>> like new, maybe ~500 miles. 15 x 100 TA front, 12 x 142 TA rear, disc only. 
>> They're 36 hole wheels and made to carry insane amounts of weight. Front 
>> hub is Shimano DH-UR708-3D Dynamo hub, 6v 3w (hub retails new for about ~ 
>> $120 by itself). Rear hub is unknown Shimano model. Rims are WTB SX 23 
>> (23mm internal width).
>>
>> Also included are the lights and wiring. Front light is a 50 lumen 
>> Trelock LS 382 VIO (new for ~ $50). Rear light is AXA Blueline Steady (~ 
>> $20 new).
>>
>> And finally, the studded tires I used, Schwalbe Marathon Winter Plus, 26" 
>> X 2" (retail new ~ $80 per tire). These are fantastic on ice and hardpacked 
>> snow. All studs are in. Only ~75 miles on these this winter.
>>
>> I'm only selling because I got a plus size wheelset so I could run bigger 
>> tires in the cargo bike.
>>
>> $300, shipped, for everything, unless you want to meet in person in 
>> Helena, MT.
>>
>> Also open to trades, specifically an old 26+ bike that takes 100qr front, 
>> 135qr rear (surly troll, etc.), and ideally frame only, since I already 
>> have a Troll fork. Or a cheap old fat bike. I also have and could part with 
>> an '88 Schwinn Traveler converted to gravel riding with flat bars, 1x 
>> drivetrain, and 40mm knobby tires, plus a '94 Marin Pine Mountain frame 
>> with a Surly Troll fork, if you really want to wheel and deal :)
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bikes For Sale: Craigslist, ebay, etc. Fall 2022 edition

[Matt Beecher]

It looks like the price has come down just a little bit for the 62cm Sam.

https://forums.thepaceline.net/showthread.php?s=f8a5e70cf14b0a7e54275e5d2bdb4b4c=292940

On Friday, February 24, 2023 at 11:54:52 AM UTC-6 mitchel

Clem Smith JR
52cm
1,200
SF,CA
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-clem-smith-jr/7592901709.html
On Tuesday, February 21, 2023 at 10:21:24 AM UTC-8 eric wrote:

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Sam Hillborne F/F/HS
62cm
$1,200
Vienna, VA

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/953093402735635/?ref=search_code=null_story_type=post


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[RBW] Re: The Riv goes "Spinal Tap"

[Nick Payne]

On Sunday, 26 February 2023 at 9:11:13 am UTC+11 Drew Saunders wrote:

The hub on the Ibis is 8/9/10 only, but I may convert it to 2x10 next rainy 
season.


The Shimano 11-34 11s cassettes fit fine on 8/9/10-speed HG hubs. As do all 
the larger 11s MTB cassettes. The bracing angle of the spokes means that 
the large cog on those cassettes can sit further inwards than the large cog 
on smaller cassettes, so they are made with the large cog overhanging to 
the inside, and will fit on the older hubs. If you fit one of those 
cassettes to a hub intended for 11s road cassettes, you need to fit a 1.8mm 
spacer on the inside of the cassette, or the lockring will bottom out 
before it has tightened on the cassette.

Nick Payne

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