Re: [RBW] Re: Let's talk about the All Rounder

[Joe Bernard]

I wouldn't put too much stock in the date on the fork; the lugs, "speared" 
Rivendell decal and horizontal dropouts point to that frame being a 
pre-2000s All Rounder or possibly a Mountain..it's gorgeous! Clearances had 
widened by the time of your Atlantis. 

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 8:33:14 PM UTC-7 Lucky wrote:

> Pretty bike, interesting that the Super Yummys are snug, I have them on my 
> 2004 Atlantis and they fit great. For whatever reason I assumed the AR 
> would be more roomy. 
>
> On Mar 26, 2023, at 18:46, vernon brooks  wrote:
>
> I have been working on building up a recently purchased what I believe to 
> be AR frame. I don't know much aside from it belonged to a guy in the St 
> Louis area that had passed away. There is a date written in permanent 
> marker (4/30/2004) on the fork in permIt marker and a partly visible serial 
> number that is under the plastic cable guide on the lower part of the 
> bottom bracket lug. The paint is very nice for a nearly 20 year old frame 
> but thats what you get with a JB paint job. It has been fun sorting through 
> parts I mostly had already and piecing this one together. Rich from Riv did 
> build up a nice new set of wheels. Typically I put drop bars on my bikes 
> but I decided to try something a little different this time. I'll include a 
> picture of the current setup I am running. The 26X2.22 tires are maybe a 
> little too snug but are fun for the trails in my area.
>
>
> Hope you all had a great weekend,
>
> Vern in San Francisco
>
>  
> 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 10:39:08 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> For interest's sake, here's the original order form from when my AR was 
>> built, indicating available and buyer-selected options.  At the time (mid 
>> 1998 originally, but  mid 1999, by the time it was finalized), it looks 
>> like the mid-fork blade braze-ons were called "low-rider" rack mounts.  
>> I've always thought that the nitto campee mini-rack was a Rivendell design, 
>> and may have happened later than this, and been designed to be backward 
>> compatible for older frames that selected this option.  That would explain 
>> why only some older frames don't have them, but most new ones do.
>>
>> On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 6:49:54 AM UTC-6 James Valiensi wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>> Well that is interesting. I had the impression they hadn’t done the rack 
>>> mounts earlier, from the conversations I had with them when placing my 
>>> order. Perhaps it was a rare request back then. 
>>> Anyways - I am happy the mounts are more or less standard now a days, 
>>> they are so useful!
>>>
>>> That green bike is very nice.
>>>
>>> On Mar 22, 2023, at 5:07 PM, Andrew Letton  wrote:
>>>
>>> My Joe Stark '99 All-Rounder has rack mounts on the fork blades.  
>>> Was it maybe just that Curt had not yet done rack mounts on the fork 
>>> blades for Rivs at that point?
>>> cheers,
>>> Andrew in Sydney
>>>
>>> On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 11:02:02 AM GMT+11, James Valiensi <
>>> jpval...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> When I ordered my custom Rivendell in 2002 I requested rack mounts on 
>>> the fork blades. They hadn’t done this before. I had to send a drawing 
>>> showing what I wanted. They agreed and Curt Goodrich made my frame. Joe 
>>> Stark was supposed to be my builder, but he went of the reversvation before 
>>> he started on it. I met Curt a few times and I’m super happy with his work. 
>>>
>>> So, front rack mounts were not part of the normal Rivendell catalog 20 
>>> years ago.
>>>
>>> James
>>>
>>> On Mar 10, 2023, at 11:31 AM, m f  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi - I'm new here! Not sure how many of you saw this on eBay over the 
>>> past few months, but I was able to work with the seller and found a way to 
>>> buy this 2000 All-Rounder (Curt Goodrich). I have a couple updates in mind 
>>> (sweptback handlebar, Brooks saddle), but those will happen with time. 
>>> First step will be new tires and tuning the mechanicals (Dura Ace except 
>>> for crankset) so I can get a ride or two under my belt. If the seller is in 
>>> this group - thanks again for all the help!
>>>
>>> Questions for the group: 
>>> It seems odd to find an All Rounder, or any Riv for that matter, without 
>>> rack mounts on the upper/mid fork blade. Would this have been a special 
>>> request to not have them?
>>> What are the markers that indicate the frame was painted at Joe Bell's 
>>> shop?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 8:09:10 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> The All Rounder like the XO-1 before it gets a lot of interest and 
>>> praise, but I think that, like the XO-1 that preceeded it, it is an early 
>>> design that has been superseded and bettered by later Grantian bikes, 
>>> starting with the Atlantis and continuing with the Sam Hillborne and 
>>> doubtless the more recent models.
>>>
>>> I say this having owned an XO-1 and having bought a custom Road based on 
>>> the All Rounder, with lighter (753) tubing and slightly more 

Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Wolbis/Susie

[Ryan Frahm]

Bump. Frameset still available!

On Sunday, March 19, 2023 at 11:35:32 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> I think I need your couch Joe!
>
> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 4:37:10 PM UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>> I hear ya, Richard. 3cm shorter and I'd be digging for change in the 
>> couch! 
>>
>> On Saturday, March 18, 2023 at 11:53:20 AM UTC-7 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Someone is missing a great opportunity here.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Mar 18, 2023, at 11:12 AM, Ryan Frahm  wrote:
>>>
>>> Mostly looking to sell the frameset and some parts now. $1700 + 
>>> shipping obo. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 9:12:23 AM UTC-7 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>>>
 $1700 Frameset + shipping 
 $650 Wheelset + shipping 

 Just in case those are more appealing. Thanks for looking!


 On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 3:48:25 PM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:

> Bump, still for sale!
>
> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:15:39 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi David! My PBH is 90.5 cm and the post in the picture had a 
>> Berthoud saddle at a fuzz over 30.5” if that helps. I don’t want a 
>> longer 
>> stem than 135 so I think an XL would have fit me better. Arm length and 
>> whether you will run a swept back bar makes a big difference in fit. If 
>> I 
>> was running a more regular say 30 degree sweep bar, then the Large is 
>> probably a perfect fit with the 85mm stem. I think the XL would work 
>> with 
>> either bar with the right stem though. 
>> On Saturday, March 4, 2023 at 9:04:40 AM UTC-8 David Wadstrup wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Sadly, buying this beautiful bike is not currently an option for me. 
>>>  But, I was wondering if anyone could offer what they think would be a 
>>> max 
>>> pbh for this large frame.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> David
>>> On Friday, March 3, 2023 at 2:49:25 PM UTC-5 fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Bump. $3000 +shipping. 

 Rich built WI hub wheelset.
 135 31.8 FacePlater with 65cm Tosco.
 Nitto S65 seatpost.
 DXR brakes and levers. 
 2.5” Teravail Ehline
 Silver cranks.
 Silver shifter with 10sp Sram GX derailleur.

 On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:49:44 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm 
 wrote:

> Thanks Joe! Over the last few years I just haven’t seen them sit 
> very often. At least I don’t “need” to sell it. Spring time and tax 
> return 
> season is coming. Haha. 
>
> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 11:37:04 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard 
> wrote:
>
>> Great bike, great color, it's just kind of a niche within the Riv 
>> niche so it'll take a while to find the right buyer. Spring is 
>> coming! 
>>
>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:54:38 AM UTC-8 
>> fra...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Keith, I appreciate that! I feel like it’s a pretty 
>>> good deal so I’m happy to hear I’m not totally crazy there. Not in 
>>> a rush 
>>> for now but if it keeps sitting here I’m going to start riding it 
>>> again 
>>> soon! I took the saddle of to help temptation.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:40:50 AM UTC-8 iamkeith 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Don't give up, don't get impatient or desperate,  and don't 
 entertain low-ball offers.  This bike is almost perfect:  best 
 size, best 
 color, best wheels, best crankset, best cockpit.  Someone just 
 needs to 
 realize it.  I wish I could afford it right now  for a spare to my 
 orange 
 one.  Someone is going to be very happy though


 On Saturday, February 18, 2023 at 10:09:06 AM UTC-7 
 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> Finally got it all back together and cleaned up. Put a new Jim 
> 13-42 cassette on so I didn’t have to swap the other. Bike is 
> ready to go!
>
> Asking $3000 +shipping OBO
>
> On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 11:06:46 AM UTC-8 Ryan 
> Frahm wrote:
>
>> Frameset: $1700 + Shipping  (size large dark gold)
>>
>> Wheels: $650 + Shipping (Rich built Cliffhangers with WI hubs)
>> On Friday, February 10, 2023 at 11:26:15 AM UTC-8 Ryan Frahm 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I’d definitely prefer to just sell this complete so offers 
>>> are welcome! I will entertain offers on the frameset or wheels 
>>> as well 
>>> though. People have asked but the offer has to be reasonable. 
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> On Sunday, 

Re: [RBW] Re: Let's talk about the All Rounder

[luckyturnip]

Pretty bike, interesting that the Super Yummys are snug, I have them on my 2004 Atlantis and they fit great. For whatever reason I assumed the AR would be more roomy. On Mar 26, 2023, at 18:46, vernon brooks  wrote:I have been working on building up a recently purchased what I believe to be AR frame. I don't know much aside from it belonged to a guy in the St Louis area that had passed away. There is a date written in permanent marker (4/30/2004) on the fork in permIt marker and a partly visible serial number that is under the plastic cable guide on the lower part of the bottom bracket lug. The paint is very nice for a nearly 20 year old frame but thats what you get with a JB paint job. It has been fun sorting through parts I mostly had already and piecing this one together. Rich from Riv did build up a nice new set of wheels. Typically I put drop bars on my bikes but I decided to try something a little different this time. I'll include a picture of the current setup I am running. The 26X2.22 tires are maybe a little too snug but are fun for the trails in my area.Hope you all had a great weekend,Vern in San Francisco On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 10:39:08 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:For interest's sake, here's the original order form from when my AR was built, indicating available and buyer-selected options.  At the time (mid 1998 originally, but  mid 1999, by the time it was finalized), it looks like the mid-fork blade braze-ons were called "low-rider" rack mounts.  I've always thought that the nitto campee mini-rack was a Rivendell design, and may have happened later than this, and been designed to be backward compatible for older frames that selected this option.  That would explain why only some older frames don't have them, but most new ones do.On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 6:49:54 AM UTC-6 James Valiensi wrote:Hi,Well that is interesting. I had the impression they hadn’t done the rack mounts earlier, from the conversations I had with them when placing my order. Perhaps it was a rare request back then. Anyways - I am happy the mounts are more or less standard now a days, they are so useful!That green bike is very nice.On Mar 22, 2023, at 5:07 PM, Andrew Letton  wrote:
My Joe Stark '99 All-Rounder has rack mounts on the fork blades.  Was it maybe just that Curt had not yet done rack mounts on the fork blades for Rivs at that point?cheers,Andrew in Sydney





On Thursday, March 23, 2023 at 11:02:02 AM GMT+11, James Valiensi  wrote:



Hi,When I ordered my custom Rivendell in 2002 I requested rack mounts on the fork blades. They hadn’t done this before. I had to send a drawing showing what I wanted. They agreed and Curt Goodrich made my frame. Joe Stark was supposed to be my builder, but he went of the reversvation before he started on it. I met Curt a few times and I’m super happy with his work. So, front rack mounts were not part of the normal Rivendell catalog 20 years ago.JamesOn Mar 10, 2023, at 11:31 AM, m f  wrote:Hi - I'm new here! Not sure how many of you saw this on eBay over the past few months, but I was able to work with the seller and found a way to buy this 2000 All-Rounder (Curt Goodrich). I have a couple updates in mind (sweptback handlebar, Brooks saddle), but those will happen with time. First step will be new tires and tuning the mechanicals (Dura Ace except for crankset) so I can get a ride or two under my belt. If the seller is in this group - thanks again for all the help!Questions for the group: It seems odd to find an All Rounder, or any Riv for that matter, without rack mounts on the upper/mid fork blade. Would this have been a special request to not have them?What are the markers that indicate the frame was painted at Joe Bell's shop?On Sunday, March 20, 2022 at 8:09:10 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:The All Rounder like the XO-1 before it gets a lot of interest and praise, but I think that, like the XO-1 that preceeded it, it is an early design that has been superseded and bettered by later Grantian bikes, starting with the Atlantis and continuing with the Sam Hillborne and doubtless the more recent models.I say this having owned an XO-1 and having bought a custom Road based on the All Rounder, with lighter (753) tubing and slightly more upright hta (IIRC). My 1999 and 2003 Road customs, also built for 26" wheels, are better "All Round" both on pavement and in dirt than either XO-1 and the first Road custom, with much longer chainstays, slightly sacker head, and upsloping tts with extended head tubes. I say again that the later Road customs ride better on dirt, particularly sandy surfaces, than the XO-1 and the first gen, AR-based road custom.I think -- but I am open to reasoned rebuttal -- that an Atlantis or Sam Hill would be better for all round riding than either 

[RBW] Re: FS: Rene Herse Bon Jon Pass and Hurricane Ridge Tires

[Michael Ullmer]

Both sold, thanks all!

On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 9:42:45 PM UTC-5 Michael Ullmer wrote:

> Cross post from i-bob:
>
> 1) Rene Herse Bon Jon Pass Tires Extralight 700x35, mounted but no miles. 
> All Black casing.
>
> $120 plus shipping
>
> 2) Rene Herse Hurricane Ridge TC 650x42 Standard casing. These were 
> mounted tubeless with about 50 miles put on them. Still some tubeless 
> residue in there.
>
> $100 plus shipping
>
> Pics here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/4bLUDdA62KNrRB3bA
>
> Mike in Minneapolis
>

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Garage Sale Saturday

[Evan E.]

Keith H. asked about the orange Rambouillet that is missing paint. Will of 
Rivendell told me that the chainstay bridge and the seatstay bridges were 
moved farther from the rear dropout to enable larger tires to fit. “I think 
this frame will take 45s now,” he said. He didn’t say why the top tube and 
downtube and head tube are now bare steel, and I didn’t think to ask. We 
both just stood there and admired the frame. 

On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 1:16:04 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

> Id like to know the story on the orange Rambouillet that is all stripped.  
> I love to remember that lugged frames can almost always be be repaired.  
>
> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 2:12:20 PM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>
>>
>> I'm always bummed to miss these, but those buds on the trees and bike 
>> rack full of shopper's bikes are especially painful this year.  All that 
>> rain that CA has been getting translates to snow here.  It'll be months 
>> before I could enjoy something like that.
>> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 1:42:57 PM UTC-6 Lucky wrote:
>>
>>> Still bummed to have missed this.
>>> I bet my Tosco bar was sad to miss me!
>>>
>>> Nice Hardrock I see!
>>>
>>> On Mar 25, 2023, at 10:52, Doug Van Cleve  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Is that custom paint, or was there an orange Atlantis at some point?
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 10:08 AM Keith Paugh  wrote:
>>>
 Did you achieve #7?

 (Beautiful Atlantis )

 k.

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[RBW] Re: Riv Rider's Photo Feature

[John Rinker]

Sorry about that quick delete and repost. Had to remedy an annoying tpyo.

Cheers, John
On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 6:48:12 PM UTC-7 John Rinker wrote:

> The photo feature is ready to go (fingers crossed). If you want to add a 
> photo, read on!
>
> On the map page , 
> click '*Riv Rider Registration*' to edit (or add) your response.
>
> A new question at the bottom of the Google Form allows you to upload a 
> Photo of your Riv. (Find your favorite!)
>
> *This part is important: *
> Your file must be a .jpeg, less than 1MB, and be labeled with your name 
> and city. Like this: johnlennon_newyork.jpeg
>
> Your response will automatically include a link to your photo in the 
> sidebar info on the map, but to actually see your photo on the sidebar I 
> will need to manually attach it. 
>
> Perhaps there's a workaround to this manual part, but I haven't found it 
> yet so I need a way to quickly know which photo to attach to which person's 
> map pin. Hence, johnlennon_newyork.jpeg
>
> When you open a person's sidebar on the map and click on the photo at the 
> top (not the link at the bottom) it will open on the map page. Pretty neat! 
> You can view my pin near Crescent Valley, BC as an example.
>
> Finally, because of how this feature works all photos are stored on my 
> GDrive in a folder created by the Google form. So, please be careful what 
> you upload.
>
> Have fun! 
>
> Cheers, John
>
> [image: Screen Shot 2023-03-26 at 6.45.14 PM.png]
>

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Garage Sale Saturday

[Joe Bernard]

Paul M: 

Oh I see it now. I believe that's one of the Appaloosa protos they did, 
then the bike turned out way different. I'd heard somewhere recently that 
they'd found a few in the rafters. I want one!

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 5:26:03 PM UTC-7 Paul M wrote:

> If you go back to Matthew Williams 3rd post in this thread there are other 
> pictures that show this frame with another top tube besides the diagonal 
> sloping Platypus style top tube. It was cut off in Marty's picture. FWIW
>
> On Sunday, 26 March 2023 at 13:45:06 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:
>
>>
>> "A fellowship. A fellowship of Rivendells.
>>
>> (Tolkien fans: you know.)"
>>
>> PERFECT. 
>>
>> Paul M: I believe that Platypus-looking frame is indeed a Platy sans 
>> decals and with a replacement fork. 
>>
>> Joe Bernard 
>> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 7:41:04 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> A fellowship. A fellowship of Rivendells.
>>>
>>> (Tolkien fans: you know.)
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 10:13:46 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>>
 an exaltation of Rivendells or maybe since it's a garage sale a haggle 
 of  Rivendells...or wait...no haggling

 or a bike of Rivendells (also a bike of hornets)

 Love those collective nouns for creatures

 https://grammar.yourdictionary.com/word-lists/list-of-names-for-groups-of-animals.html
  

 On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 8:59:09 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Its owner said the frame was bare metal when it was purchased, and RBW 
> offered to paint it. 
>
> I love all the custom touches people have added to their bikes. 
>
> What’s the collective noun for a group of bicycles? A flock of geese, 
> a pride of lions, a murder of crows, a _ of Rivendells?
>
>
>
> On Mar 25, 2023, at 10:51 AM, Doug Van Cleve  
> wrote:
>
> Is that custom paint, or was there an orange Atlantis at some point?
>
> Doug
>
> On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 10:08 AM Keith Paugh  
> wrote:
>
>> Did you achieve #7?
>>
>> (Beautiful Atlantis )
>>
>> k.
>>
>> On Mar 25, 2023, at 9:53 AM, Matthew Williams <
>> matthewwil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Garage Sale Saturday

[esoterica etc]

+1 on fellowship! I think Joe is right; that term IS perfect! Thanks Leah, you 
always seem to have just the right thing to say. Cheers,

~Mark
Raleigh, NC


> On Mar 26, 2023, at 16:45, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> "A fellowship. A fellowship of Rivendells.
> 
> (Tolkien fans: you know.)"
> 
> PERFECT. 
> 
> Paul M: I believe that Platypus-looking frame is indeed a Platy sans decals 
> and with a replacement fork. 
> 
> Joe Bernard 
> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 7:41:04 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>> A fellowship. A fellowship of Rivendells.
>> 
>> (Tolkien fans: you know.)
>> 
>> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 10:13:46 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>> an exaltation of Rivendells or maybe since it's a garage sale a haggle of  
>>> Rivendells...or wait...no haggling
>>> 
>>> or a bike of Rivendells (also a bike of hornets)
>>> 
>>> Love those collective nouns for creatures
>>> https://grammar.yourdictionary.com/word-lists/list-of-names-for-groups-of-animals.html
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 8:59:09 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
 Its owner said the frame was bare metal when it was purchased, and RBW 
 offered to paint it. 
 
 I love all the custom touches people have added to their bikes. 
 
 What’s the collective noun for a group of bicycles? A flock of geese, a 
 pride of lions, a murder of crows, a _ of Rivendells?
 
 
 
 
> On Mar 25, 2023, at 10:51 AM, Doug Van Cleve  wrote:
 
> Is that custom paint, or was there an orange Atlantis at some point?
> 
> Doug
> 
> On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 10:08 AM Keith Paugh  wrote:
>> Did you achieve #7?
>> 
>> (Beautiful Atlantis )
>> 
>> k.
>> 
>>> On Mar 25, 2023, at 9:53 AM, Matthew Williams  
>>> wrote:
> 
 
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Re: [RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Joe Bernard]

It's a reasonable question and I think (if the clamp fits with the shim you 
have) that it'll shift those rings just dandy. In friction. If you're 
indexing then Bob's your uncle. 

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 6:04:24 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi Peter, to answer your queries:
>
> 1:  Is there a reason not to contact Rivendell directly, and just ask 
> them? […]
>
> I asked at the swap meet if the Altus MD311 would work with my setup. The 
> package is stamped “ 3x7/8 Speed/34.9mm, but the fellow with whom I spoke 
> didn’t know if the Altus would work with my setup, and I’m respecting 
> RBW’s Garage Sale Guideline #1. (See above for the photo of their sign.)
>
>
> 2:  I bet they'll want to hear what your beef is with the front 
> derailleur they supplied you in the first place
>
> My jeans cuff got caught in the chainring and badly bent the original 
> RBW-supplied derailleur cage, so I need a new front derailleur.
>
>
> 3:  you're manufacturing a lot of extra effort for yourself without clear 
> benefit.
>
> I don’t know whether the Altus MD311 will work with my setup, which is 
> why I asked if it will work or if a better option exists.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 26, 2023, at 5:00 PM, Peter Adler  wrote:
>
> Let me see if I have the details straight:
>
> 1) Rivendell frameset
> 2) Rivendell-specific crankset
> 3) Fairly typical Rivendellish cassette
> 4) Rivendell-supplied rear derailleur
> 5) Front derailleur taken from a bucketful of identical front derailleurs 
> at Rivendell's parking lot sale
>
> Is there a reason not to contact Rivendell directly, and just ask them? I 
> suspect that the reason they had a bunch of those Altus FDs is because they 
> tried them out with various builds. If I recall correctly, they were 
> offered for a while as a build component/retail item;  they've just been 
> replaced with something newer. In any case, they're likely to know whether 
> or not they work well with frames/parts they also supply. If nothing else, 
> I bet they'll want to hear what your beef is with the front derailleur they 
> supplied you in the first place; they may not already know.
>
> I mean, I'm not trying to be judge-y; it just seems to me that you're 
> manufacturing a lot of extra effort for yourself without clear benefit.
>
> Peter Adler
> a habitual manufacturer of his own wasted efforts in
> Berkeley, CA/USA
>
> On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 10:04:43 AM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I need to replace my stock Rivendell front derailleur. Can someone please 
> recommend a good front derailleur?
>
> Here’s my existing setup:
>
> Appaloosa
> Rivendell Silver crankset and 3 rings
> Rear cassette: Shimano XTR 11-34T 
> Rear derailleur: Shimano Deore long cage
>
> With the exception of the rear cassette, all of the components came stock 
> with the bike.
>
> I picked up a Shimano Altus FD-M311 at the swap meet. Will this work for 
> my setup? Does a better option exist? Please let me know your 
> recommendations, advice, opinions, and experience!
>
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Re: [RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Matthew Williams]

Hi Peter, to answer your queries:

1:  Is there a reason not to contact Rivendell directly, and just ask them? […]

I asked at the swap meet if the Altus MD311 would work with my setup. The 
package is stamped “ 3x7/8 Speed/34.9mm, but the fellow with whom I spoke 
didn’t know if the Altus would work with my setup, and I’m respecting RBW’s 
Garage Sale Guideline #1. (See above for the photo of their sign.)


2:  I bet they'll want to hear what your beef is with the front derailleur they 
supplied you in the first place

My jeans cuff got caught in the chainring and badly bent the original 
RBW-supplied derailleur cage, so I need a new front derailleur.


3:  you're manufacturing a lot of extra effort for yourself without clear 
benefit.

I don’t know whether the Altus MD311 will work with my setup, which is why I 
asked if it will work or if a better option exists.





> On Mar 26, 2023, at 5:00 PM, Peter Adler  wrote:
> 
> Let me see if I have the details straight:
> 
> 1) Rivendell frameset
> 2) Rivendell-specific crankset
> 3) Fairly typical Rivendellish cassette
> 4) Rivendell-supplied rear derailleur
> 5) Front derailleur taken from a bucketful of identical front derailleurs at 
> Rivendell's parking lot sale
> 
> Is there a reason not to contact Rivendell directly, and just ask them? I 
> suspect that the reason they had a bunch of those Altus FDs is because they 
> tried them out with various builds. If I recall correctly, they were offered 
> for a while as a build component/retail item;  they've just been replaced 
> with something newer. In any case, they're likely to know whether or not they 
> work well with frames/parts they also supply. If nothing else, I bet they'll 
> want to hear what your beef is with the front derailleur they supplied you in 
> the first place; they may not already know.
> 
> I mean, I'm not trying to be judge-y; it just seems to me that you're 
> manufacturing a lot of extra effort for yourself without clear benefit.
> 
> Peter Adler
> a habitual manufacturer of his own wasted efforts in
> Berkeley, CA/USA
> 
> On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 10:04:43 AM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> I need to replace my stock Rivendell front derailleur. Can someone please 
> recommend a good front derailleur?
> 
> Here’s my existing setup:
> 
> Appaloosa
> Rivendell Silver crankset and 3 rings
> Rear cassette: Shimano XTR 11-34T 
> Rear derailleur: Shimano Deore long cage
> 
> With the exception of the rear cassette, all of the components came stock 
> with the bike.
> 
> I picked up a Shimano Altus FD-M311 at the swap meet. Will this work for my 
> setup? Does a better option exist? Please let me know your recommendations, 
> advice, opinions, and experience!
> 
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Garage Sale Saturday

[Philip Williamson]

Here are some Instagram shots of the Riv garage sale and customer bikes. 
 https://www.instagram.com/p/CqQmu60pBlu/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=

Philip
Sonoma County, Calif

On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 9:08:20 PM UTC-7 Philip Williamson wrote:

> A *shire* of Rivs. That’s my understanding anyway.
>
> I had a great time bringing three other North Bay folk down to the 
> shindig. So fun! Nice to introduce some of my Santa Rosa friends to my 
> Walnut Creek friends. 
>
> My tactic in any mass start event like this is to go straight to the far 
> end and work back. I’m elbow deep in a stems and weird parts box for ten 
> minutes with someone else. We flip stuff over, sift down, claim stuff… 
> finally stand up, look st who’s been in the bins with me… “Hey Reed! I’m so 
> glad to see you! I had no idea that was you!”
>
> I’ll post pics to Instagram, and link back here later.
>
> Philip
> Sonoma County, Calif
>
>
>
> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 6:59:09 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Its owner said the frame was bare metal when it was purchased, and RBW 
>> offered to paint it. 
>>
>> I love all the custom touches people have added to their bikes. 
>>
>> What’s the collective noun for a group of bicycles? A flock of geese, a 
>> pride of lions, a murder of crows, a _ of Rivendells?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 25, 2023, at 10:51 AM, Doug Van Cleve  wrote:
>>
>> Is that custom paint, or was there an orange Atlantis at some point?
>>
>> Doug
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 10:08 AM Keith Paugh  wrote:
>>
>>> Did you achieve #7?
>>>
>>> (Beautiful Atlantis )
>>>
>>> k.
>>>
>>> On Mar 25, 2023, at 9:53 AM, Matthew Williams  
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Garage Sale Saturday

[Paul M]

If you go back to Matthew Williams 3rd post in this thread there are other 
pictures that show this frame with another top tube besides the diagonal 
sloping Platypus style top tube. It was cut off in Marty's picture. FWIW

On Sunday, 26 March 2023 at 13:45:06 UTC-7 Joe Bernard wrote:

>
> "A fellowship. A fellowship of Rivendells.
>
> (Tolkien fans: you know.)"
>
> PERFECT. 
>
> Paul M: I believe that Platypus-looking frame is indeed a Platy sans 
> decals and with a replacement fork. 
>
> Joe Bernard 
> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 7:41:04 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> A fellowship. A fellowship of Rivendells.
>>
>> (Tolkien fans: you know.)
>>
>> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 10:13:46 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>>
>>> an exaltation of Rivendells or maybe since it's a garage sale a haggle 
>>> of  Rivendells...or wait...no haggling
>>>
>>> or a bike of Rivendells (also a bike of hornets)
>>>
>>> Love those collective nouns for creatures
>>>
>>> https://grammar.yourdictionary.com/word-lists/list-of-names-for-groups-of-animals.html
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 8:59:09 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>>
 Its owner said the frame was bare metal when it was purchased, and RBW 
 offered to paint it. 

 I love all the custom touches people have added to their bikes. 

 What’s the collective noun for a group of bicycles? A flock of geese, a 
 pride of lions, a murder of crows, a _ of Rivendells?



 On Mar 25, 2023, at 10:51 AM, Doug Van Cleve  wrote:

 Is that custom paint, or was there an orange Atlantis at some point?

 Doug

 On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 10:08 AM Keith Paugh  
 wrote:

> Did you achieve #7?
>
> (Beautiful Atlantis )
>
> k.
>
> On Mar 25, 2023, at 9:53 AM, Matthew Williams  
> wrote:
>
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[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Peter Adler]

Let me see if I have the details straight:


1) Rivendell frameset

2) Rivendell-specific crankset

3) Fairly typical Rivendellish cassette

4) Rivendell-supplied rear derailleur

5) Front derailleur taken from a bucketful of identical front derailleurs 
at Rivendell's parking lot sale


Is there a reason not to contact Rivendell directly, and just ask them? I 
suspect that the reason they had a bunch of those Altus FDs is because they 
tried them out with various builds. If I recall correctly, they were 
offered for a while as a build component/retail item;  they've just been 
replaced with something newer. In any case, they're likely to know whether 
or not they work well with frames/parts they also supply. If nothing else, 
I bet they'll want to hear what your beef is with the front derailleur they 
supplied you in the first place; they may not already know.

I mean, I'm not trying to be judge-y; it just seems to me that you're 
manufacturing a lot of extra effort for yourself without clear benefit.

Peter Adler
a habitual manufacturer of his own wasted efforts in
Berkeley, CA/USA

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 10:04:43 AM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

Hi everyone,

I need to replace my stock Rivendell front derailleur. Can someone please 
recommend a good front derailleur?

Here’s my existing setup:

Appaloosa
Rivendell Silver crankset and 3 rings
Rear cassette: Shimano XTR 11-34T 
Rear derailleur: Shimano Deore long cage

With the exception of the rear cassette, all of the components came stock 
with the bike.

I picked up a Shimano Altus FD-M311 at the swap meet. Will this work for my 
setup? Does a better option exist? Please let me know your recommendations, 
advice, opinions, and experience!

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Re: [RBW] Hozan Bottom Bracket Tapping Tool

[Will Boericke]

It seems unnecessary at this point, but I wanted to weigh in on BB 
solutions: I've had great success with threadless "repair" bottom 
brackets.  I have the Velo Orange one in a Raleigh Twenty that's been great 
but have used others in other bikes.  Which is good because VO no longer 
sells it.

Will

On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 1:00:05 PM UTC-4 JohnS wrote:

> Thank you Jeff. I'm using Groit's Garage paint cleaning clay to pull the 
> dirt/grim out of the paint, I'm about 1/2 way through that process, need to 
> spend some time at the BB. Then it will be a polish to smooth out small 
> scratches followed by one or two coats of wax. Should look like the steerer 
> tube's paint when I'm done. Some chips but not bad for being 41 years old. 
> Also need to do a frame saver treatment before building it up.
>
> George, no the cartridge BB was from another bike, bearings have a lot of 
> play so I was only using it to figure out spindle lengths. Always fun 
> trying to get the shortest spindle to work with a frame and crank to 
> achieve a low Q factor. The bike came with a full Dura-Ace groupo from '92, 
> including the BB which I'll try to reuse. Unfortunately the crank and cogs 
> are too high of a gearing for me. I'll need to use my favorite of 46/34 
> chainrings and 11/34 cassette so I can climb the hills in my area.
>
> Laing, see, being a pack rat has it benefits.
>
> JohnS
>
> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 5:39:57 PM UTC-4 Garth wrote:
>
>> That's wonderful news John , way to go ! 
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] WTB 54 Rambouillet or 55 Bleriot

[Doug Van Cleve]

Not sure what sizes the Romulus came in, but one of those would probably
work for you as well 

Doug

On Wed, Mar 22, 2023 at 4:01 PM mike naranjo 
wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
>
> I know it's a long shot, but thought I'd see if anyone has any leads for a
> Rambouillet in a size 54 or a Bleriot in a size 55.  Thanks in advance.
>
> Best,
>
> Mike
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[RBW] SOLD / PAUL Centerpull Brakes / NEW / $200

[John Dewey]

PAUL Centerpull brakes went quickly, thanks all for looking.

BEST / JD

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Re: [RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Peter White]

Modern triple FDs are designed for a specific combination of chainrings.
For example, the IRD FD in the photo is an exact copy of the Shimano 9
speed Ultegra Triple and 105 Triple FDs. Probably made by the same company
that made it for Shimano. The bottom edges of the derailleur plates are
properly spaced for the 10 tooth difference between the outer and middle
chainrings of the Ultegra and 105 9 speed triple cranksets; 52 and 42 teeth
respectively. When properly installed, the bottom edges of the derailleur
will be about 1mm to 2mm above the tips of the chainring teeth when
shifting between the outer and middle rings. So this FD only shifts well if
the middle and outer rings have a 10 tooth difference. If, for example,
they have a 12 tooth difference, and you have the FD high enough for the
outer plate to clear the outer chainring, the inner plate will have a
larger gap to the middle ring and the shift from the inner ring will not be
good. With a 14 tooth difference, it's hopeless. You'll have to over-shift
to get the chain cleanly onto the middle chainring.

So, to answer the original question, we need to know what chainring sizes
are on the crankset in question.

On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 1:04 PM Matthew Williams <
matthewwilliamsdes...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I need to replace my stock Rivendell front derailleur. Can someone please
> recommend a good front derailleur?
>
> Here’s my existing setup:
>
> Appaloosa
> Rivendell Silver crankset and 3 rings
> Rear cassette: Shimano XTR 11-34T
> Rear derailleur: Shimano Deore long cage
>
> With the exception of the rear cassette, all of the components came stock
> with the bike.
>
> I picked up a Shimano Altus FD-M311 at the swap meet. Will this work for
> my setup? Does a better option exist? Please let me know your
> recommendations, advice, opinions, and experience!
>
> Thanks, everyone.
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:45:08 AM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I've been having a heckuva time getting my front derailleur to go from
>> little to big without hopping over. Eventually, if I talked sweetly to it
>> and said Hail Mary three times, it would usually settle. Even took it to an
>> experience mechanic. He also lowered it, then slowly kept raising it up,
>> and also kept working the limit screw. A fraction of a turn was difference
>> between not reaching the big ring, or going over!
>>
>> It's a White Industries VBC with 46-28. FD is IRD compact triple Aplina.
>> Friction Microshift thumbie. I think it's bottom pull.
>>
>> [image: IMG_2391 Medium.jpeg]
>>
>> Any suggestions for different FD? May need different chain rings because
>> of that big jump, but if I do that, I may be best off buying something else
>> and selling these.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Matt
>>
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[RBW] Re: PAUL Centerpull Brakes / NEW / $200

[S. Greco]

Pm'd ya!

On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 1:24:51 PM UTC-4 John Dewey wrote:

> BTW, apologies for relisting and apologies for not responding to y'alls 
> inquiries. Have family visiting from the UK and got totally distracted.
>
> Here they are. These are recessed mounting, not braze-on. As new 
> condition. Modern Bike sells for $350 + Tax / Shipping a pair. So this is 
> nice discount.
>
> Paypal preferred, but I'm sure we can work out. Again, my APOLOGIES for 
> reposting. Please contact off-list.
>
> BEST / Jock Dewey
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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Garage Sale Saturday

[Joe Bernard]

"A fellowship. A fellowship of Rivendells.

(Tolkien fans: you know.)"

PERFECT. 

Paul M: I believe that Platypus-looking frame is indeed a Platy sans decals 
and with a replacement fork. 

Joe Bernard 
On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 7:41:04 PM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> A fellowship. A fellowship of Rivendells.
>
> (Tolkien fans: you know.)
>
> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 10:13:46 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:
>
>> an exaltation of Rivendells or maybe since it's a garage sale a haggle 
>> of  Rivendells...or wait...no haggling
>>
>> or a bike of Rivendells (also a bike of hornets)
>>
>> Love those collective nouns for creatures
>>
>> https://grammar.yourdictionary.com/word-lists/list-of-names-for-groups-of-animals.html
>>  
>>
>> On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 8:59:09 PM UTC-5 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Its owner said the frame was bare metal when it was purchased, and RBW 
>>> offered to paint it. 
>>>
>>> I love all the custom touches people have added to their bikes. 
>>>
>>> What’s the collective noun for a group of bicycles? A flock of geese, a 
>>> pride of lions, a murder of crows, a _ of Rivendells?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 25, 2023, at 10:51 AM, Doug Van Cleve  wrote:
>>>
>>> Is that custom paint, or was there an orange Atlantis at some point?
>>>
>>> Doug
>>>
>>> On Sat, Mar 25, 2023 at 10:08 AM Keith Paugh  wrote:
>>>
 Did you achieve #7?

 (Beautiful Atlantis )

 k.

 On Mar 25, 2023, at 9:53 AM, Matthew Williams  
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Re: [RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Garth]

Well that sucks  I can relate to wacky things happening !  Seriously 
though, the Altus should work just fine. 

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 2:34:00 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

> > But first . you say you need to replace your FD, why ? Be specific. 
>
> Well, instead of shifting the chain, my front derailleur shifted the cuff 
> of my jeans. 
>
> I got the grease out of my Levis, but I couldn’t get the Levis out of my 
> front derailleur.

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Re: [RBW] Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Matthew Williams]

> But first . you say you need to replace your FD, why ? Be specific. 

Well, instead of shifting the chain, my front derailleur shifted the cuff of my 
jeans. 

I got the grease out of my Levis, but I couldn’t get the Levis out of my front 
derailleur.

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Re: [RBW] Riv Garage Sale hauls

[Chris L]

Love the photo near the end that shows how much the Atlantis has changed 
over the years.

On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 9:08:35 PM UTC-5 nicklin...@gmail.com wrote:

> It was a PERFECT DAY to visit the shop and browse for bits & pieces.  A 
> great turnout.  
>
> [image: image0.jpeg][image: image1.jpeg][image: image2.jpeg][image: 
> image3.jpeg][image: image4.jpeg][image: image5.jpeg][image: image6.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 25, 2023, at 2:52 PM, Franklyn Wu  wrote:
>
> I got there just before Riv open the sale. I chatted with people, some of 
> whom I haven't seen before COVID! So many neat bikes 
>  that people rode to the sale. 
> Here is my haul. People post what you got today!
>
> Franklyn
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[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Garth]

These kinda questions are ever a can of worms. A "good" FD is one that 
functions as called upon, regardless of it's name, shape or size. So, since 
you have the Altus on hand, try it.  

But first . you say you need to replace your FD, why ? Be specific. 



On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 1:04:43 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:

Hi everyone,

I need to replace my stock Rivendell front derailleur. Can someone please 
recommend a good front derailleur?

Here’s my existing setup:

Appaloosa
Rivendell Silver crankset and 3 rings
Rear cassette: Shimano XTR 11-34T 
Rear derailleur: Shimano Deore long cage

With the exception of the rear cassette, all of the components came stock 
with the bike.

I picked up a Shimano Altus FD-M311 at the swap meet. Will this work for my 
setup? Does a better option exist? Please let me know your recommendations, 
advice, opinions, and experience!

Thanks, everyone.

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[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Joe Bernard]

It's a triple with a wide-ish cage to clear 7/8-speed chains, which I 
prefer on 9-speed systems cuz you don't have to trim as often to clear the 
narrower chain. Assuming you're using friction front shifting it should be 
fine*, index compatibility is a whole 'nother kettle of beans or whatever 
that phrase is. 

* Make sure you have the correct shim for your downtube if the clamp itself 
is 34.9. I just picked up a 34.9 Deore (used) that only had a 31.8 shim, I 
bought a 28.6 that would fit my frame. 

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 10:04:43 AM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I need to replace my stock Rivendell front derailleur. Can someone please 
> recommend a good front derailleur?
>
> Here’s my existing setup:
>
> Appaloosa
> Rivendell Silver crankset and 3 rings
> Rear cassette: Shimano XTR 11-34T 
> Rear derailleur: Shimano Deore long cage
>
> With the exception of the rear cassette, all of the components came stock 
> with the bike.
>
> I picked up a Shimano Altus FD-M311 at the swap meet. Will this work for 
> my setup? Does a better option exist? Please let me know your 
> recommendations, advice, opinions, and experience!
>
> Thanks, everyone.
> On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:45:08 AM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I've been having a heckuva time getting my front derailleur to go from 
>> little to big without hopping over. Eventually, if I talked sweetly to it 
>> and said Hail Mary three times, it would usually settle. Even took it to an 
>> experience mechanic. He also lowered it, then slowly kept raising it up, 
>> and also kept working the limit screw. A fraction of a turn was difference 
>> between not reaching the big ring, or going over!
>>
>> It's a White Industries VBC with 46-28. FD is IRD compact triple Aplina. 
>> Friction Microshift thumbie. I think it's bottom pull. 
>>
>> [image: IMG_2391 Medium.jpeg]
>>
>> Any suggestions for different FD? May need different chain rings because 
>> of that big jump, but if I do that, I may be best off buying something else 
>> and selling these.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Matt
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Front Derailleur Suggestions

[Matthew Williams]

 

Hi everyone,

I need to replace my stock Rivendell front derailleur. Can someone please 
recommend a good front derailleur?

Here’s my existing setup:

Appaloosa
Rivendell Silver crankset and 3 rings
Rear cassette: Shimano XTR 11-34T 
Rear derailleur: Shimano Deore long cage

With the exception of the rear cassette, all of the components came stock 
with the bike.

I picked up a Shimano Altus FD-M311 at the swap meet. Will this work for my 
setup? Does a better option exist? Please let me know your recommendations, 
advice, opinions, and experience!

Thanks, everyone.
On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 9:45:08 AM UTC-8 mmille...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I've been having a heckuva time getting my front derailleur to go from 
> little to big without hopping over. Eventually, if I talked sweetly to it 
> and said Hail Mary three times, it would usually settle. Even took it to an 
> experience mechanic. He also lowered it, then slowly kept raising it up, 
> and also kept working the limit screw. A fraction of a turn was difference 
> between not reaching the big ring, or going over!
>
> It's a White Industries VBC with 46-28. FD is IRD compact triple Aplina. 
> Friction Microshift thumbie. I think it's bottom pull. 
>
> [image: IMG_2391 Medium.jpeg]
>
> Any suggestions for different FD? May need different chain rings because 
> of that big jump, but if I do that, I may be best off buying something else 
> and selling these.
>
> Thanks,
> Matt
>

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[RBW] Re: 1985 Bridgestone MB-3 build and video

[Eric Marth]

Keith: Thanks a bunch!

Paul: Replacement fork sourcing seems to be a fine art perhaps best left to 
antiquarians and archivists! It is indeed fun to work on an old frame, 
install some contemporary parts and get to something practical and 
appealing. Enjoy your ride!

On Sunday, March 26, 2023 at 11:36:56 AM UTC-4 Paul in Dallas wrote:

> Eric, another nicely done build!
>
> Thank you for sharing these projects.
> You really excel on your video documenting of them.
>
> I'm sure the friend appreciates all the work and attention to detail you 
> out into it.
>
> I agree on the vintage Suntour power shifters.
> They are terrific!
>
> It can be a challenge finding the right replacement fork for some of these 
> vintage bike builds.
>
> I'm still looking for the right one for my Austro Daimler Puch Vent Noir 
> II.
>
> Last week I built up an early 80"s Univega Gran Premio from the bare frame 
> that came with a non original fork. That included fork turned out to be a 
> narrow .833. I wish the eBay seller had mentioned that.
>
> It turned out I had a suitable fork 
> (of course wrong color) in the parts stash. 
> For now I stripped that fork to bare finish.
>
> I really enjoy your builds of these vintage bikes.
>
> I enjoy the process as well but I must rein it in.
> I counted 11 rideable bikes in my very crowded garage. Most of them are 
> from the 80s.
> (Not to mention 5 or 6 frames I must decide what to do with )
>
> I hope to get in a nice ride on one of them today.
>
> Paul in Dallas 
>
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[RBW] 1985 Bridgestone MB-3 build and video

[st nick]

Eric, another nicely done build!
Thank you for sharing these projects.You really excel on your video documenting 
of them.
I'm sure the friend appreciates all the work and attention to detail you out 
into it.
I agree on the vintage Suntour power shifters.They are terrific!
It can be a challenge finding the right replacement fork for some of these 
vintage bike builds.
I'm still looking for the right one for my Austro Daimler Puch Vent Noir II.
Last week I built up an early 80"s Univega Gran Premio from the bare frame that 
came with a non original fork. That included fork turned out to be a narrow 
.833. I wish the eBay seller had mentioned that.
It turned out I had a suitable fork (of course wrong color) in the parts stash. 
For now I stripped that fork to bare finish.
I really enjoy your builds of these vintage bikes.
I enjoy the process as well but I must rein it in.I counted 11 rideable bikes 
in my very crowded garage. Most of them are from the 80s.(Not to mention 5 or 6 
frames I must decide what to do with )
I hope to get in a nice ride on one of them today.
Paul in Dallas 

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Re: [RBW] Rivendell Garage Sale Saturday

[Garth]

 That'd be a *bunch* of bicycles... at a garage sale where there's a *bunch* 
of stuff for sale.by a *bunch* of people  from a *bunch *of various 
places !



 
On Saturday, March 25, 2023 at 9:59:09 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:


What’s the collective noun for a group of bicycles? A flock of geese, a 
pride of lions, a murder of crows, a _ of Rivendells?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Old RBW road bike like the Rambouillet?

[Fullylugged]

Romulus was the model that caught my eye and made me want to get a 
Rivendell.  It was never made in small sizes, so that didn't happen.  In 
2006, I ordered and got a Rambouillet 52 cm instead, which I still have. A 
little fanicer than Romulus but I hear they ride about the same.

On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 5:21:10 PM UTC-5 Matti wrote:

> Since we love to discuss the beauty of Rivendell frames... does anyone 
> else find the Romulus head tube badge design strangely crude, maybe even 
> intentionally humorous?  It seems such an odd contrast to the calligraphic 
> script of the down tube graphics.
> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 11:24:57 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi Doug — The Romulus was offered as a complete bike and "budget" version 
>> of the Rambouillet. 
>>
>> Full brochure here: 
>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Romulus.pdf 
>>
>> [image: Screenshot 2023-03-24 at 2.24.19 PM.png]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 11:28:32 AM UTC-4 Mike Godwin wrote:
>>
>>> What crankset is on the Saluki? looks like a TA, the one with 3 bcd 
>>> drillings:  110/74/54.
>>>
>>> Mike SLO CA
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 8:23:49 AM UTC-7 John Dewey wrote:
>>>
 RamBOBs,

 I think all of these are quite accurate recollections. Our little 
 family peloton (admittedly, a kind of 'embarrassment of riches') includes 
 a 
 RAM acquired in '04, a SAM circa '11, and most recently an NOS 650b DOG 
 (Saluki) that chased us down and just wouldn't let us get away. Each what 
 might be called 'classic' road bike. No stretched out chainstays or swoopy 
 tubes, just delightful, well-mannered, well-proportioned, comfortable, 
 artful road machines.  

 The most recent addition—Saluki—to these old eyes, cannot be 
 distinguished from any of the finest bespoke art bikes we all spend 
 hours admiring on our computers. Every detail is refined and well thought 
 out. Quite amazing. We just replaced old no-named rubber with 38mm Pari 
 Motos and must admit that the 650b fairy dust seems real even if it makes 
 no mechanical sense. Whatever—it feels fast and comfortable and is truly a 
 handsome creature.

 I guess you could call GP and have him build one for you, but we most 
 definitely pine for the days we could just wander into our favorite 
 bike shop, grab one of these triangles off a hook and take it home. 
 Instant 
 gratification baby!

 Jock Dewey

 [image: Saluki.jpg]



 On Fri, Mar 24, 2023 at 7:25 AM iamkeith  wrote:

> I'm pretty sure the Rambouillet evolved from the LongLow.  How that 
> differed from the Road, I can't recall, but someone will.  The Ram was an 
> attempt to make a more affordable road bike, by virtue of having it be a 
> standard, off the shelf model.  The Romulous (and Redwood) were later 
> introduced as a way to offer a less expensive version of the Ram, by 
> simplifying some details and using less complicated paint.  There's a 
> thread from not too long ago where it was postulated and well-argued that 
> the Roadeo is really just a close linear descendent of the Ram.


>
> On Friday, March 24, 2023 at 7:37:55 AM UTC-6 Doug Van Cleve wrote:
>
>> Howdy folks.
>>
>> Wasn't there an RBW road frame BITD that was basically a more basic 
>> Rambouillet?  I think they were blue, and I don't remember if they were 
>> offered concurrently or after.  I think there was also a tall version 
>> called the Redwood...
>>
>> Thanks, Doug
>>
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