[RBW] Re: Rivendell Ride PDX

[velomann]

I'll be riding Bridge Pedal before heading over to the Rivelo Reunion 
event. I strongly encourage anyone else interested in Bridge Pedal to sign 
up for the Fremont Express option. It's the only chance cyclists have 
during the year to experience the sunrise from the top deck of the Fremont 
Bridge. Plus donuts, coffee, and live music to start you off.

Mike M

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 8:14:23 AM UTC-7 Paul M wrote:

> Not only is this gathering of Rivendell riders happening on Sunday in 
> Portland Oregon, but you can also ride in the Providence Bridge Pedal & 
> Stride. Start your Sunday morning riding with thousands of cyclists across 
> 7 bridges including a thrilling ride through downtown Portland on 1-405, 
> all on car-free bridges and streets. It's a celebration of bicycling, 
> Portland and the Willamette River bridges.
>
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[RBW] Re: Routine maintenance / habits / survey

[aeroperf]

I live near Atlanta and ride my 2014 Sam year round on city streets and 
rails-to-trails.
I'm not a "power rider",  just a continuous one.  I'm 74 and bang along at 
about 12 mph, doing about 1500 miles a year.  I was shocked when I actually 
wore out a chain.

It’s garaged, so I wash it with Zaino’s a couple of times a year or when it 
gets filthy from riding after a storm.  But I tinker constantly because, 
hey, it’s a hobby.  RocRide Epix, Phil Tenacious Oil, and Parks grease are 
my friends - if it looks like it needs lube, it gets lubed.  If I want to 
try a different cassette, set of bars, rack, bag, or rearview mirror, I 
just do it.  

In the winter I do a yearly "annual", tightening check on bolts, etc. in 
case my pre-ride checks missed something.  I rotate the tires - the rear 
really does wear out faster than the front - and check for tire problems. 
 At that time I also give it a thorough wash and a quick polish with show 
car polish, and Proofide the old Brooks.  I have all the Zaino polish/wash 
stuff because I used to own a Lotus 7.

I tear it down completely to a bare frame, fork and headset when it gets 
close to 5000 miles since the last teardown.  Grease every bolt, take apart 
and lube everything else.  So far, the Sam has had three teardowns and I 
have seen zero issues.  Having worked all my life with airplanes, I know 
that if you do a scheduled maintenance, like annually, and a major 
maintenance based on use, like miles or hours, mechanical things tend to 
last forever.

I only let a shop work on it if there is a tool I lack and it is cheaper 
than buying the tool.  If it ever needs anti-rust, they can do that, too.

But like a lot of folks I have more than one bike.  So there is always 
something that may need doing.  I also bought a bunch of Sigma bike 
computers when I started this hobby to keep track of mileage, etc.  Sigma 
has a pretty good computer app, and I download the data after every ride, 
so tracking is easy.

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[RBW] Re: Advice sought: mounting Nitto M12 or similar front rack to Paul cantis

[Bob]

Bill,

Thank you for this. I recall reading the very thing some years ago, but 
have been unable to find it again; hence my post here.

I have the RH UD-1 on one bike, and am impressed with it, so the UD-2 may 
be the way I go.

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On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 3:41:59 PM UTC-6 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> You are getting good advice on workarounds for this combination.  I think 
> you understand it, but I think for the benefit of others, it's worth 
> stating that the Nitto M12 + Paul Cantilever brakes is not an ideal 
> combination.  The Nitto M12 was made to work with cantilever brakes that do 
> not extend past the end of the cantilever posts.  Did Compe DC980, recently 
> sold by Rivendell are one of those models.  Paul cantilever brakes can work 
> awesome with a small front rack, but does best with rack models that have 
> adjustable struts.  The Rene Herse UD-2 is the best of those (and is 
> manufactured by Nitto).  
>
> Folks can make that combo work, but it takes work to get good results. 
>  For those who are not yet stuck with that combination, there are other 
> combos that work together more effortlessly.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:52:21 AM UTC-7 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Does anyone here have experience mounting a Nitto M12, or any front rack 
>> that attaches to the cantilever-brake bolts, to Paul brakes (either Touring 
>> Cantis or Neo-Retros)? If so, is there anything I'm unlikely to know but 
>> should before starting? (I am aware that I'll want Paul's Rack Adapters.)
>>
>> I have a vague, possibly faulty, recollection of caution somewhere that 
>> the process is difficult because Paul brakes extend farther forward from 
>> the bosses than other cantilever brakes.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Bob
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Tire Recommendations

[J J]

Matthew, a couple of months ago I got a set of Schwalbe Marathon Efficiency 
 tires for my Hunq. 
It's a new line, with new-fangled compounds, etc. The 55mm (ETRTO 55-622) fit 
great on my Hunq with fenders, with room to spare. I've really enjoyed them. 

They're smooth on the road, robust, comfortable, and very reassuring. My riding 
skews consistently to the type of riding you described. I'm mostly on pavement, 
but these Efficiency tires have also been great on the sort of non-extreme 
gravel and dirt paths I ride on, at the decidedly "medium" tire pressure I run. 

They come in black wall and "transparent skin" — a very nice tan. I got tan for 
the one bike and I'm going to get a set of black for another. I recommend them. 
They're not as light as the G-One Overlands (but just as expensive!). I like 
them more than the other fancy tires I've ridden over the past couple of years.

Jim

> On Aug 9, 2023, at 3:49 PM, Irving  wrote:
> 
> I went through a similar exercise looking for tires to fit under SKS P65 
> fenders on my Rivendell Hunqapillar. I ended up with Maxxis Torch 29x2.1's 
> but they didn't offer me enough fender clearance. They felt like a high 
> quality tire though from my initial rides around the city to test clearance. 
> I ended up replacing them with Schwalbe Marathon Almotion's (VGuard's) 
>  and those measure 
> closer to 700x48 and feel slightly more durable but less grippy. Note they 
> have a reflective sidewall, so that may disqualify them from your "no 
> gumwalls or stripes!" disclaimer.
> 
> Maybe the Vittoria Terreno Dry (comes in 700x50) 
>  or the G-One 
> Superground as 
> other alternatives. The G-One overland seems fine if you're riding more dirt 
> than pavement. I would recommend against the Hurricane just because it's a 
> wire bead tire, which are generally less fun to ride in my opinion.
> 
> -Irving
> SF, CA
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 12:04:16 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>> Hi everyone, 
>> 
>> I need a new set of durable-ish, puncture-resistant tires.
>> 
>> Type of ride: Mostly long-distance rides on asphalt and concrete, and the 
>> occasional gravel or dirt path. 
>> 
>> Size: 700 x 50
>> 
>> Dealbreakers: I use tubes, and all-black sidewalls. No gumwalls or stripes!
>> 
>> I’m curretly looking at these two Schwalbe options:
>> 
>> G-One Overland:
>> https://www.schwalbetires.com/Schwalbe-G-One-Overland-11654399
>> 
>> Hurricane:
>> https://www.schwalbetires.com/Hurricane-11159185
>> 
>> Does anyone have experience with either of these tires? Are these good 
>> options? Or, can you make a recommendation for another tire that would work 
>> for me?
>> 
>> As always, your experience, wisdom, and advice are welcomed and appreciated.
> 
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[RBW] Re: Advice sought: mounting Nitto M12 or similar front rack to Paul cantis

[Bill Lindsay]

You are getting good advice on workarounds for this combination.  I think 
you understand it, but I think for the benefit of others, it's worth 
stating that the Nitto M12 + Paul Cantilever brakes is not an ideal 
combination.  The Nitto M12 was made to work with cantilever brakes that do 
not extend past the end of the cantilever posts.  Did Compe DC980, recently 
sold by Rivendell are one of those models.  Paul cantilever brakes can work 
awesome with a small front rack, but does best with rack models that have 
adjustable struts.  The Rene Herse UD-2 is the best of those (and is 
manufactured by Nitto).  

Folks can make that combo work, but it takes work to get good results.  For 
those who are not yet stuck with that combination, there are other combos 
that work together more effortlessly.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 10:52:21 AM UTC-7 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:

> Does anyone here have experience mounting a Nitto M12, or any front rack 
> that attaches to the cantilever-brake bolts, to Paul brakes (either Touring 
> Cantis or Neo-Retros)? If so, is there anything I'm unlikely to know but 
> should before starting? (I am aware that I'll want Paul's Rack Adapters.)
>
> I have a vague, possibly faulty, recollection of caution somewhere that 
> the process is difficult because Paul brakes extend farther forward from 
> the bosses than other cantilever brakes.
>
> Thank you.
>
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[RBW] Re: Tire Recommendations

[Stephen]

I'm partial to panaracer gravelkings, though I haven't used them in that 
size before:

https://www.panaracerusa.com/collections/gravel/products/gravelking-sk-knobby-folding-gravel-tires?variant=34487816978594

Comes in black.

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 4:45:10 PM UTC-4 Ryan wrote:

> That may go a good way towards explaining the $43 price differential 
> between the Overland at $88 and the Hurricane at $45
>
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 2:49:16 PM UTC-5 Irving wrote:
>
>> I went through a similar exercise looking for tires to fit under SKS P65 
>> fenders on my Rivendell Hunqapillar. I ended up with Maxxis Torch 29x2.1's 
>> but they didn't offer me enough fender clearance. They felt like a high 
>> quality tire though from my initial rides around the city to test 
>> clearance. I ended up replacing them with Schwalbe Marathon Almotion's 
>> (VGuard's)  
>> and those measure closer to 700x48 and feel slightly more durable but less 
>> grippy. Note they have a reflective sidewall, so that may disqualify them 
>> from your "no gumwalls or stripes!" disclaimer.
>>
>> Maybe the Vittoria Terreno Dry (comes in 700x50) 
>>  or the G-One 
>> Superground 
>>  as other 
>> alternatives. The G-One overland seems fine if you're riding more dirt than 
>> pavement. I would recommend against the Hurricane just because it's a wire 
>> bead tire, which are generally less fun to ride in my opinion.
>>
>> -Irving
>> SF, CA
>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 12:04:16 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone, 
>>>
>>> I need a new set of durable-ish, puncture-resistant tires.
>>>
>>> Type of ride: Mostly long-distance rides on asphalt and concrete, and 
>>> the occasional gravel or dirt path. 
>>>
>>> Size: 700 x 50
>>>
>>> Dealbreakers: I use tubes, and all-black sidewalls. No gumwalls or 
>>> stripes!
>>>
>>> I’m curretly looking at these two Schwalbe options:
>>>
>>> G-One Overland:
>>> https://www.schwalbetires.com/Schwalbe-G-One-Overland-11654399
>>>
>>> Hurricane:
>>> https://www.schwalbetires.com/Hurricane-11159185
>>>
>>> Does anyone have experience with either of these tires? Are these good 
>>> options? Or, can you make a recommendation for another tire that would work 
>>> for me?
>>>
>>> As always, your experience, wisdom, and advice are welcomed and 
>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Tire Recommendations

[Ryan]

That may go a good way towards explaining the $43 price differential 
between the Overland at $88 and the Hurricane at $45

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 2:49:16 PM UTC-5 Irving wrote:

> I went through a similar exercise looking for tires to fit under SKS P65 
> fenders on my Rivendell Hunqapillar. I ended up with Maxxis Torch 29x2.1's 
> but they didn't offer me enough fender clearance. They felt like a high 
> quality tire though from my initial rides around the city to test 
> clearance. I ended up replacing them with Schwalbe Marathon Almotion's 
> (VGuard's)  and 
> those measure closer to 700x48 and feel slightly more durable but less 
> grippy. Note they have a reflective sidewall, so that may disqualify them 
> from your "no gumwalls or stripes!" disclaimer.
>
> Maybe the Vittoria Terreno Dry (comes in 700x50) 
>  or the G-One 
> Superground  
> as other alternatives. The G-One overland seems fine if you're riding more 
> dirt than pavement. I would recommend against the Hurricane just because 
> it's a wire bead tire, which are generally less fun to ride in my opinion.
>
> -Irving
> SF, CA
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 12:04:16 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone, 
>>
>> I need a new set of durable-ish, puncture-resistant tires.
>>
>> Type of ride: Mostly long-distance rides on asphalt and concrete, and the 
>> occasional gravel or dirt path. 
>>
>> Size: 700 x 50
>>
>> Dealbreakers: I use tubes, and all-black sidewalls. No gumwalls or 
>> stripes!
>>
>> I’m curretly looking at these two Schwalbe options:
>>
>> G-One Overland:
>> https://www.schwalbetires.com/Schwalbe-G-One-Overland-11654399
>>
>> Hurricane:
>> https://www.schwalbetires.com/Hurricane-11159185
>>
>> Does anyone have experience with either of these tires? Are these good 
>> options? Or, can you make a recommendation for another tire that would work 
>> for me?
>>
>> As always, your experience, wisdom, and advice are welcomed and 
>> appreciated.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Tire Recommendations

[Irving]

I went through a similar exercise looking for tires to fit under SKS P65 
fenders on my Rivendell Hunqapillar. I ended up with Maxxis Torch 29x2.1's 
but they didn't offer me enough fender clearance. They felt like a high 
quality tire though from my initial rides around the city to test 
clearance. I ended up replacing them with Schwalbe Marathon Almotion's 
(VGuard's)  and 
those measure closer to 700x48 and feel slightly more durable but less 
grippy. Note they have a reflective sidewall, so that may disqualify them 
from your "no gumwalls or stripes!" disclaimer.

Maybe the Vittoria Terreno Dry (comes in 700x50) 
 or the G-One 
Superground  
as other alternatives. The G-One overland seems fine if you're riding more 
dirt than pavement. I would recommend against the Hurricane just because 
it's a wire bead tire, which are generally less fun to ride in my opinion.

-Irving
SF, CA
On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 12:04:16 PM UTC-7 Matthew Williams wrote:

> Hi everyone, 
>
> I need a new set of durable-ish, puncture-resistant tires.
>
> Type of ride: Mostly long-distance rides on asphalt and concrete, and the 
> occasional gravel or dirt path. 
>
> Size: 700 x 50
>
> Dealbreakers: I use tubes, and all-black sidewalls. No gumwalls or stripes!
>
> I’m curretly looking at these two Schwalbe options:
>
> G-One Overland:
> https://www.schwalbetires.com/Schwalbe-G-One-Overland-11654399
>
> Hurricane:
> https://www.schwalbetires.com/Hurricane-11159185
>
> Does anyone have experience with either of these tires? Are these good 
> options? Or, can you make a recommendation for another tire that would work 
> for me?
>
> As always, your experience, wisdom, and advice are welcomed and 
> appreciated.
>

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[RBW] Tire Recommendations

[Matthew Williams]

Hi everyone, 

I need a new set of durable-ish, puncture-resistant tires.

Type of ride: Mostly long-distance rides on asphalt and concrete, and the 
occasional gravel or dirt path. 

Size: 700 x 50

Dealbreakers: I use tubes, and all-black sidewalls. No gumwalls or stripes!

I’m curretly looking at these two Schwalbe options:

G-One Overland:
https://www.schwalbetires.com/Schwalbe-G-One-Overland-11654399

Hurricane:
https://www.schwalbetires.com/Hurricane-11159185

Does anyone have experience with either of these tires? Are these good options? 
Or, can you make a recommendation for another tire that would work for me?

As always, your experience, wisdom, and advice are welcomed and appreciated.

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Re: [RBW] Ride Reports (PNW and France)

[Kieran J]

Thanks for posting Kyle - these are great.

I noticed your Cascadia Super Gravel post and then realized I rode a lot of 
the route with you and Jaytee and the big party pace gang. I'm the tall guy 
on the pink Black Mountain in one of the pics. Such an awesome event!

Enjoy your time in France. One of my bucket list trips is cycling from 
Paris to the south, or even to Barcelona maybe. Hoping to do that in the 
next couple of years. 

Kieran
Victoria, BC

On Sunday, August 6, 2023 at 11:36:50 AM UTC-7 kyleco...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hey John!
>
> Someone else just messaged me too about setting up a ride while I'm 
> out here! It would be sweet to get a route in together. Maybe sometime in 
> early September?
>
> Kyle
>
> On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 6:01 PM John Johnson  wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the ride report, Kyle.
>>
>> I live not far from fontainebleau. The weather the last week or two in 
>> July was definitely not great. Sorry that was during your trip.
>>
>> For what it's worth, the Scandiberique route (eurovelo 3) runs right 
>> through the area and there are some great rides along old canal route 
>> paths. The portion just south of Fontainebleau (Nemours to 'Bleau) is 
>> really lovely. 
>>
>> And open invite to anyone on the forum to look me up if you're ever in 
>> the region. 
>>
>> Cheers, 
>>
>> John
>> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 7:56:21 PM UTC+2 wls...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Kyle - Enjoyed the write ups. Keep 'em coming!
>>>
>>> On Friday, August 4, 2023 at 12:32:20 PM UTC-4 Dustin wrote:
>>>
 Kyle, 

 Good looking site. Thanks for sharing 

 Dustin

 On Aug 4, 2023, at 12:09 PM, Kyle Cotchett  wrote:

 Hey all!


 I've been messing around with writing some ride reports on my website 
 . For 
 the most part, they are around the Pacific Northwest. My girlfriend and I 
 are taking significant time off work and moved to Paris for summer/fall. 
 We 
 brought our bikes with us, and I'll be continuing to write up some rides 
 here in France! I thought I'd share them here with ya'll to enjoy! Thanks 
 for reading!

 -Kyle

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Re: [RBW] Re: A College Clem

[Kim H.]

@Wes - 
 Thank-you.

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 11:13:38 AM UTC-7 Wesley wrote:

> Hi Kim,
> The way to measure is from one axle to the other. The maximum measurement 
> that will fit on bike racks on Sacramento busses (pretty much identical to 
> racks I've used/seen in other cities) is approximately 45".
> -Wes
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:14:41 AM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @ Jonathan -
>>
>> Does the Clem H and the Clem L have the same wheelbase or not ?
>>
>> I know my Clem L from the outer length from end to end of the wheels 
>> measures close to 80" long. Too long for a bike rack for a transit bus is 
>> my belief.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 7:36:47 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I mean the fallback is to take the smaller Clem H. It will be easier to 
>>> get onto public transport bike racks and be easier to slot into a dorm at 
>>> night too. The choice doesn't have to be Clem L or total beater. That Clem 
>>> H is a killer bike that has slightly less sentimental value if it happens 
>>> to get stolen. If it doesn't then he knows he can go with the bigger one 
>>> the next semester. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:58:42 AM UTC-4 Curtis wrote:
>>>
 If this is a question of bicycle happiness level (BHL)for a first year 
 college student we may be spending more energy on this than we should.  
 Difficult to judge the BHL for an 18 y.o. when we are looking at this 
 through our rose or not so rose colored glasses.  Who is to say the 
 student 
 on the 100 dollar "beater" has a different BHL compared to the student on 
 the 2500 dollar bicycle?  

 Perhaps only the rider knows.

 Perhaps we should hope that the student is indifferent about the 
 bicycle they ride and are focused on the task at hand.  

 If this bicycle and not that bicycle makes the student happier at 
 college then pick this bicycle.

 Peace,
 Curtis

 On Wed, Aug 9, 2023, 4:47 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Wow, this thread has generated a lot of response, and I’ve enjoyed 
> reading every post. It’s such a shame we have to go to extremes to avoid 
> bike theft - carrying heavy u-locks, being so choosy about parking and 
> locking, replacing parts, making the bike ugly, choosing to ride an 
> undesirable bike so we can preserve our desirable bike…
>
> Then there’s the other variable - how careful is the kid going to be 
> with the bike? Well, bikes are not precious to him. He likes his bike, 
> sees 
> beauty and usefulness in it, but please do not bore him with too many 
> details about it. I don’t think he will worry about it like I would; and 
> that may lead to carelessness that gets his bike stolen. But also, he has 
> the Mr. Magoo-like quality of walking through life blissfully unaware of 
> the evil that lurks around every corner and arriving unscathed at his 
> destination. 
>
> The campus in question does not have a lot of bike pirates roaming 
> about, although yes, I know they exist everywhere. But they are not 
> prolific on this particular campus. I’m still undecided about what bike 
> to 
> send, but any bike that goes with him will get skewers that are locked 
> and 
> nuts that prevent the theft of stem, saddle and seat post. Hexlox makes 
> all 
> these products, if anyone is wondering. We’ll have good u-locks, too. 
>
> And thanks to Jim for the mention of coverage under homeowners’ 
> insurance. I’ll be looking into that for sure. 
> Leah
>
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:04:07 PM UTC-4 nlerner wrote:
>
>> Similar to Mackenzy, I’ve been bike commuting to college campuses for 
>> many decades, the last 30 of which have been in the Boston area. I’ve 
>> never 
>> had a bike stolen likely because (1) I use a decent lock and (2) never 
>> park 
>> it outside overnight. I have colleagues who would never leave their 
>> bikes 
>> outside at all and schlep them up to their offices, navigating too small 
>> elevators and lots of doorways, but I’ve never seen the need. Sure, 
>> bikes 
>> get stolen around here all the time, but I’m convinced those are the 
>> ones 
>> easiest to steal, e.g., unlocked on a porch or in a backyard or part of 
>> a 
>> larger home break in.
>>
>> Now that doesn’t mean I necessarily endorse bringing the Clem to 
>> college as it will likely get thoroughly trashed from daily wear and 
>> tear 
>> (bike racks are not bike-friendly spaces). But I’m also always looking 
>> for 
>> an excuse to build up a commuter for colleagues.
>>
>> Neal Lerner
>> Brookline MA
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:07:52 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright 
>> wrote:

Re: [RBW] Re: A College Clem

[Wesley]

Hi Kim,
The way to measure is from one axle to the other. The maximum measurement 
that will fit on bike racks on Sacramento busses (pretty much identical to 
racks I've used/seen in other cities) is approximately 45".
-Wes
On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:14:41 AM UTC-7 krhe...@gmail.com wrote:

> @ Jonathan -
>
> Does the Clem H and the Clem L have the same wheelbase or not ?
>
> I know my Clem L from the outer length from end to end of the wheels 
> measures close to 80" long. Too long for a bike rack for a transit bus is 
> my belief.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 7:36:47 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I mean the fallback is to take the smaller Clem H. It will be easier to 
>> get onto public transport bike racks and be easier to slot into a dorm at 
>> night too. The choice doesn't have to be Clem L or total beater. That Clem 
>> H is a killer bike that has slightly less sentimental value if it happens 
>> to get stolen. If it doesn't then he knows he can go with the bigger one 
>> the next semester. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:58:42 AM UTC-4 Curtis wrote:
>>
>>> If this is a question of bicycle happiness level (BHL)for a first year 
>>> college student we may be spending more energy on this than we should.  
>>> Difficult to judge the BHL for an 18 y.o. when we are looking at this 
>>> through our rose or not so rose colored glasses.  Who is to say the student 
>>> on the 100 dollar "beater" has a different BHL compared to the student on 
>>> the 2500 dollar bicycle?  
>>>
>>> Perhaps only the rider knows.
>>>
>>> Perhaps we should hope that the student is indifferent about the bicycle 
>>> they ride and are focused on the task at hand.  
>>>
>>> If this bicycle and not that bicycle makes the student happier at 
>>> college then pick this bicycle.
>>>
>>> Peace,
>>> Curtis
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 9, 2023, 4:47 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Wow, this thread has generated a lot of response, and I’ve enjoyed 
 reading every post. It’s such a shame we have to go to extremes to avoid 
 bike theft - carrying heavy u-locks, being so choosy about parking and 
 locking, replacing parts, making the bike ugly, choosing to ride an 
 undesirable bike so we can preserve our desirable bike…

 Then there’s the other variable - how careful is the kid going to be 
 with the bike? Well, bikes are not precious to him. He likes his bike, 
 sees 
 beauty and usefulness in it, but please do not bore him with too many 
 details about it. I don’t think he will worry about it like I would; and 
 that may lead to carelessness that gets his bike stolen. But also, he has 
 the Mr. Magoo-like quality of walking through life blissfully unaware of 
 the evil that lurks around every corner and arriving unscathed at his 
 destination. 

 The campus in question does not have a lot of bike pirates roaming 
 about, although yes, I know they exist everywhere. But they are not 
 prolific on this particular campus. I’m still undecided about what bike to 
 send, but any bike that goes with him will get skewers that are locked and 
 nuts that prevent the theft of stem, saddle and seat post. Hexlox makes 
 all 
 these products, if anyone is wondering. We’ll have good u-locks, too. 

 And thanks to Jim for the mention of coverage under homeowners’ 
 insurance. I’ll be looking into that for sure. 
 Leah

 On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:04:07 PM UTC-4 nlerner wrote:

> Similar to Mackenzy, I’ve been bike commuting to college campuses for 
> many decades, the last 30 of which have been in the Boston area. I’ve 
> never 
> had a bike stolen likely because (1) I use a decent lock and (2) never 
> park 
> it outside overnight. I have colleagues who would never leave their bikes 
> outside at all and schlep them up to their offices, navigating too small 
> elevators and lots of doorways, but I’ve never seen the need. Sure, bikes 
> get stolen around here all the time, but I’m convinced those are the ones 
> easiest to steal, e.g., unlocked on a porch or in a backyard or part of a 
> larger home break in.
>
> Now that doesn’t mean I necessarily endorse bringing the Clem to 
> college as it will likely get thoroughly trashed from daily wear and tear 
> (bike racks are not bike-friendly spaces). But I’m also always looking 
> for 
> an excuse to build up a commuter for colleagues.
>
> Neal Lerner
> Brookline MA
>
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:07:52 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> I'm amazed at the amount of discouragement of use of the Clem as a 
>> college commuting bike. 
>>
>> I've worked at universities a good chunk of my life and commuted with 
>> high(er) end bikes and never had any issues. I like riding nice bikes - 
>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: A College Clem

[Kim H.]

@Leah-

I thank-you for the information. I appreciate it.

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 10:08:46 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> There is no new generation H. They were discontinued after a short while. 
> The old L models are shorter than the new models. I have a 2019 Clem L and 
> it is much longer than the 2015 Clementine my MIL owned.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 9, 2023, at 1:02 PM, Kim H.  wrote:
>
> 
>
> @Leah -
> Thank-you.  
>
> Do you know, if both the first generation Clem H and L models are both 
> shorter than the new generation Clem H and L models ?
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:22:49 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Not these two Clems - the H is a first generation model, which was 
>> shorter AND it’s a 52.
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2023, at 12:14 PM, Kim H.  wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> @ Jonathan -
>>
>> Does the Clem H and the Clem L have the same wheelbase or not ?
>>
>> I know my Clem L from the outer length from end to end of the wheels 
>> measures close to 80" long. Too long for a bike rack for a transit bus is 
>> my belief.
>>
>> Kim Hetzel
>> Yelm, WA. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 7:36:47 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>>
>>> I mean the fallback is to take the smaller Clem H. It will be easier to 
>>> get onto public transport bike racks and be easier to slot into a dorm at 
>>> night too. The choice doesn't have to be Clem L or total beater. That Clem 
>>> H is a killer bike that has slightly less sentimental value if it happens 
>>> to get stolen. If it doesn't then he knows he can go with the bigger one 
>>> the next semester. 
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:58:42 AM UTC-4 Curtis wrote:
>>>
 If this is a question of bicycle happiness level (BHL)for a first year 
 college student we may be spending more energy on this than we should.  
 Difficult to judge the BHL for an 18 y.o. when we are looking at this 
 through our rose or not so rose colored glasses.  Who is to say the 
 student 
 on the 100 dollar "beater" has a different BHL compared to the student on 
 the 2500 dollar bicycle?  

 Perhaps only the rider knows.

 Perhaps we should hope that the student is indifferent about the 
 bicycle they ride and are focused on the task at hand.  

 If this bicycle and not that bicycle makes the student happier at 
 college then pick this bicycle.

 Peace,
 Curtis

 On Wed, Aug 9, 2023, 4:47 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
 jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Wow, this thread has generated a lot of response, and I’ve enjoyed 
> reading every post. It’s such a shame we have to go to extremes to avoid 
> bike theft - carrying heavy u-locks, being so choosy about parking and 
> locking, replacing parts, making the bike ugly, choosing to ride an 
> undesirable bike so we can preserve our desirable bike…
>
> Then there’s the other variable - how careful is the kid going to be 
> with the bike? Well, bikes are not precious to him. He likes his bike, 
> sees 
> beauty and usefulness in it, but please do not bore him with too many 
> details about it. I don’t think he will worry about it like I would; and 
> that may lead to carelessness that gets his bike stolen. But also, he has 
> the Mr. Magoo-like quality of walking through life blissfully unaware of 
> the evil that lurks around every corner and arriving unscathed at his 
> destination. 
>
> The campus in question does not have a lot of bike pirates roaming 
> about, although yes, I know they exist everywhere. But they are not 
> prolific on this particular campus. I’m still undecided about what bike 
> to 
> send, but any bike that goes with him will get skewers that are locked 
> and 
> nuts that prevent the theft of stem, saddle and seat post. Hexlox makes 
> all 
> these products, if anyone is wondering. We’ll have good u-locks, too. 
>
> And thanks to Jim for the mention of coverage under homeowners’ 
> insurance. I’ll be looking into that for sure. 
> Leah
>
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:04:07 PM UTC-4 nlerner wrote:
>
>> Similar to Mackenzy, I’ve been bike commuting to college campuses for 
>> many decades, the last 30 of which have been in the Boston area. I’ve 
>> never 
>> had a bike stolen likely because (1) I use a decent lock and (2) never 
>> park 
>> it outside overnight. I have colleagues who would never leave their 
>> bikes 
>> outside at all and schlep them up to their offices, navigating too small 
>> elevators and lots of doorways, but I’ve never seen the need. Sure, 
>> bikes 
>> get stolen around here all the time, but I’m convinced those are the 
>> ones 
>> easiest to steal, e.g., unlocked on a porch or in a backyard or part of 
>> a 
>> larger 

Re: [RBW] Re: A College Clem

[Leah Peterson]

There is no new generation H. They were discontinued after a short while. The old L models are shorter than the new models. I have a 2019 Clem L and it is much longer than the 2015 Clementine my MIL owned.Sent from my iPhoneOn Aug 9, 2023, at 1:02 PM, Kim H.  wrote:@Leah -Thank-you.  Do you know, if both the first generation Clem H and L models are both shorter than the new generation Clem H and L models ?Kim HetzelYelm, WA. On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:22:49 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:Not these two Clems - the H is a first generation model, which was shorter AND it’s a 52.On Aug 9, 2023, at 12:14 PM, Kim H.  wrote:@
 Jonathan

-Does the Clem H and the Clem L have the same wheelbase or not ?I know my Clem L from the outer length from end to end of the wheels measures close to 80" long. Too long for a bike rack for a transit bus is my belief.Kim HetzelYelm, WA. On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 7:36:47 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:I mean the fallback is to take the smaller Clem H. It will be easier to get onto public transport bike racks and be easier to slot into a dorm at night too. The choice doesn't have to be Clem L or total beater. That Clem H is a killer bike that has slightly less sentimental value if it happens to get stolen. If it doesn't then he knows he can go with the bigger one the next semester. On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:58:42 AM UTC-4 Curtis wrote:If this is a question of bicycle happiness level (BHL)for a first year college student we may be spending more energy on this than we should.  Difficult to judge the BHL for an 18 y.o. when we are looking at this through our rose or not so rose colored glasses.  Who is to say the student on the 100 dollar "beater" has a different BHL compared to the student on the 2500 dollar bicycle?  Perhaps only the rider knows.Perhaps we should hope that the student is indifferent about the bicycle they ride and are focused on the task at hand.  If this bicycle and not that bicycle makes the student happier at college then pick this bicycle.Peace,CurtisOn Wed, Aug 9, 2023, 4:47 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:Wow, this thread has generated a lot of response, and I’ve enjoyed reading every post. It’s such a shame we have to go to extremes to avoid bike theft - carrying heavy u-locks, being so choosy about parking and locking, replacing parts, making the bike ugly, choosing to ride an undesirable bike so we can preserve our desirable bike…Then there’s the other variable - how careful is the kid going to be with the bike? Well, bikes are not precious to him. He likes his bike, sees beauty and usefulness in it, but please do not bore him with too many details about it. I don’t think he will worry about it like I would; and that may lead to carelessness that gets his bike stolen. But also, he has the Mr. Magoo-like quality of walking through life blissfully unaware of the evil that lurks around every corner and arriving unscathed at his destination. The campus in question does not have a lot of bike pirates roaming about, although yes, I know they exist everywhere. But they are not prolific on this particular campus. I’m still undecided about what bike to send, but any bike that goes with him will get skewers that are locked and nuts that prevent the theft of stem, saddle and seat post. Hexlox makes all these products, if anyone is wondering. We’ll have good u-locks, too. And thanks to Jim for the mention of coverage under homeowners’ insurance. I’ll be looking into that for sure. LeahOn Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:04:07 PM UTC-4 nlerner wrote:Similar to Mackenzy, I’ve been bike commuting to college campuses for many decades, the last 30 of which have been in the Boston area. I’ve never had a bike stolen likely because (1) I use a decent lock and (2) never park it outside overnight. I have colleagues who would never leave their bikes outside at all and schlep them up to their offices, navigating too small elevators and lots of doorways, but I’ve never seen the need. Sure, bikes get stolen around here all the time, but I’m convinced those are the ones easiest to steal, e.g., unlocked on a porch or in a backyard or part of a larger home break in.Now that doesn’t mean I necessarily endorse bringing the Clem to college as it will likely get thoroughly trashed from daily wear and tear (bike racks are not bike-friendly spaces). But I’m also always looking for an excuse to build up a commuter for colleagues.Neal LernerBrookline MAOn Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:07:52 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:I'm amazed at the amount of discouragement of use of the Clem as a college commuting bike. I've worked at universities a good chunk of my life and commuted with high(er) end bikes and never had any issues. I like riding nice bikes - which is why I own them. I've parked in high foot traffic zones (in front of libraries, security, etc.) or bring my bike inside ( absolute in downtown Vancouver) when possible or 

Re: [RBW] Re: A College Clem

[Kim H.]

@Leah -
Thank-you.  

Do you know, if both the first generation Clem H and L models are both 
shorter than the new generation Clem H and L models ?

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:22:49 AM UTC-7 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Not these two Clems - the H is a first generation model, which was shorter 
> AND it’s a 52.
>
> On Aug 9, 2023, at 12:14 PM, Kim H.  wrote:
>
> 
>
> @ Jonathan -
>
> Does the Clem H and the Clem L have the same wheelbase or not ?
>
> I know my Clem L from the outer length from end to end of the wheels 
> measures close to 80" long. Too long for a bike rack for a transit bus is 
> my belief.
>
> Kim Hetzel
> Yelm, WA. 
>
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 7:36:47 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> I mean the fallback is to take the smaller Clem H. It will be easier to 
>> get onto public transport bike racks and be easier to slot into a dorm at 
>> night too. The choice doesn't have to be Clem L or total beater. That Clem 
>> H is a killer bike that has slightly less sentimental value if it happens 
>> to get stolen. If it doesn't then he knows he can go with the bigger one 
>> the next semester. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:58:42 AM UTC-4 Curtis wrote:
>>
>>> If this is a question of bicycle happiness level (BHL)for a first year 
>>> college student we may be spending more energy on this than we should.  
>>> Difficult to judge the BHL for an 18 y.o. when we are looking at this 
>>> through our rose or not so rose colored glasses.  Who is to say the student 
>>> on the 100 dollar "beater" has a different BHL compared to the student on 
>>> the 2500 dollar bicycle?  
>>>
>>> Perhaps only the rider knows.
>>>
>>> Perhaps we should hope that the student is indifferent about the bicycle 
>>> they ride and are focused on the task at hand.  
>>>
>>> If this bicycle and not that bicycle makes the student happier at 
>>> college then pick this bicycle.
>>>
>>> Peace,
>>> Curtis
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 9, 2023, 4:47 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 Wow, this thread has generated a lot of response, and I’ve enjoyed 
 reading every post. It’s such a shame we have to go to extremes to avoid 
 bike theft - carrying heavy u-locks, being so choosy about parking and 
 locking, replacing parts, making the bike ugly, choosing to ride an 
 undesirable bike so we can preserve our desirable bike…

 Then there’s the other variable - how careful is the kid going to be 
 with the bike? Well, bikes are not precious to him. He likes his bike, 
 sees 
 beauty and usefulness in it, but please do not bore him with too many 
 details about it. I don’t think he will worry about it like I would; and 
 that may lead to carelessness that gets his bike stolen. But also, he has 
 the Mr. Magoo-like quality of walking through life blissfully unaware of 
 the evil that lurks around every corner and arriving unscathed at his 
 destination. 

 The campus in question does not have a lot of bike pirates roaming 
 about, although yes, I know they exist everywhere. But they are not 
 prolific on this particular campus. I’m still undecided about what bike to 
 send, but any bike that goes with him will get skewers that are locked and 
 nuts that prevent the theft of stem, saddle and seat post. Hexlox makes 
 all 
 these products, if anyone is wondering. We’ll have good u-locks, too. 

 And thanks to Jim for the mention of coverage under homeowners’ 
 insurance. I’ll be looking into that for sure. 
 Leah

 On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:04:07 PM UTC-4 nlerner wrote:

> Similar to Mackenzy, I’ve been bike commuting to college campuses for 
> many decades, the last 30 of which have been in the Boston area. I’ve 
> never 
> had a bike stolen likely because (1) I use a decent lock and (2) never 
> park 
> it outside overnight. I have colleagues who would never leave their bikes 
> outside at all and schlep them up to their offices, navigating too small 
> elevators and lots of doorways, but I’ve never seen the need. Sure, bikes 
> get stolen around here all the time, but I’m convinced those are the ones 
> easiest to steal, e.g., unlocked on a porch or in a backyard or part of a 
> larger home break in.
>
> Now that doesn’t mean I necessarily endorse bringing the Clem to 
> college as it will likely get thoroughly trashed from daily wear and tear 
> (bike racks are not bike-friendly spaces). But I’m also always looking 
> for 
> an excuse to build up a commuter for colleagues.
>
> Neal Lerner
> Brookline MA
>
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:07:52 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> I'm amazed at the amount of discouragement of use of the Clem as a 
>> college commuting bike. 
>>
>> I've worked at universities a good chunk of my 

Re: [RBW] Re: A College Clem

[Leah Peterson]

Not these two Clems - the H is a first generation model, which was shorter AND it’s a 52.On Aug 9, 2023, at 12:14 PM, Kim H.  wrote:@
 Jonathan

-Does the Clem H and the Clem L have the same wheelbase or not ?I know my Clem L from the outer length from end to end of the wheels measures close to 80" long. Too long for a bike rack for a transit bus is my belief.Kim HetzelYelm, WA. On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 7:36:47 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:I mean the fallback is to take the smaller Clem H. It will be easier to get onto public transport bike racks and be easier to slot into a dorm at night too. The choice doesn't have to be Clem L or total beater. That Clem H is a killer bike that has slightly less sentimental value if it happens to get stolen. If it doesn't then he knows he can go with the bigger one the next semester. On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:58:42 AM UTC-4 Curtis wrote:If this is a question of bicycle happiness level (BHL)for a first year college student we may be spending more energy on this than we should.  Difficult to judge the BHL for an 18 y.o. when we are looking at this through our rose or not so rose colored glasses.  Who is to say the student on the 100 dollar "beater" has a different BHL compared to the student on the 2500 dollar bicycle?  Perhaps only the rider knows.Perhaps we should hope that the student is indifferent about the bicycle they ride and are focused on the task at hand.  If this bicycle and not that bicycle makes the student happier at college then pick this bicycle.Peace,CurtisOn Wed, Aug 9, 2023, 4:47 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  wrote:Wow, this thread has generated a lot of response, and I’ve enjoyed reading every post. It’s such a shame we have to go to extremes to avoid bike theft - carrying heavy u-locks, being so choosy about parking and locking, replacing parts, making the bike ugly, choosing to ride an undesirable bike so we can preserve our desirable bike…Then there’s the other variable - how careful is the kid going to be with the bike? Well, bikes are not precious to him. He likes his bike, sees beauty and usefulness in it, but please do not bore him with too many details about it. I don’t think he will worry about it like I would; and that may lead to carelessness that gets his bike stolen. But also, he has the Mr. Magoo-like quality of walking through life blissfully unaware of the evil that lurks around every corner and arriving unscathed at his destination. The campus in question does not have a lot of bike pirates roaming about, although yes, I know they exist everywhere. But they are not prolific on this particular campus. I’m still undecided about what bike to send, but any bike that goes with him will get skewers that are locked and nuts that prevent the theft of stem, saddle and seat post. Hexlox makes all these products, if anyone is wondering. We’ll have good u-locks, too. And thanks to Jim for the mention of coverage under homeowners’ insurance. I’ll be looking into that for sure. LeahOn Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:04:07 PM UTC-4 nlerner wrote:Similar to Mackenzy, I’ve been bike commuting to college campuses for many decades, the last 30 of which have been in the Boston area. I’ve never had a bike stolen likely because (1) I use a decent lock and (2) never park it outside overnight. I have colleagues who would never leave their bikes outside at all and schlep them up to their offices, navigating too small elevators and lots of doorways, but I’ve never seen the need. Sure, bikes get stolen around here all the time, but I’m convinced those are the ones easiest to steal, e.g., unlocked on a porch or in a backyard or part of a larger home break in.Now that doesn’t mean I necessarily endorse bringing the Clem to college as it will likely get thoroughly trashed from daily wear and tear (bike racks are not bike-friendly spaces). But I’m also always looking for an excuse to build up a commuter for colleagues.Neal LernerBrookline MAOn Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:07:52 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:I'm amazed at the amount of discouragement of use of the Clem as a college commuting bike. I've worked at universities a good chunk of my life and commuted with high(er) end bikes and never had any issues. I like riding nice bikes - which is why I own them. I've parked in high foot traffic zones (in front of libraries, security, etc.) or bring my bike inside ( absolute in downtown Vancouver) when possible or parking my bike is in eyesight (outside my old office at a bike rack in UVIC). Just the standard back wheel lock with cable around the front wheel. Nothing fancy. (no QR seat) Never ever ever leave them parked over night. I always avoid dark or hidden area's, especially near residence halls or maintenance buildings. Granted - some universities and colleges are more sketchy than others. I've found eventually other cyclists with nice or similar bikes will start parking around you. It's a little heartwarming. My biggest issue 

Re: [RBW] Re: A College Clem

[Kim H.]

@ Jonathan -

Does the Clem H and the Clem L have the same wheelbase or not ?

I know my Clem L from the outer length from end to end of the wheels 
measures close to 80" long. Too long for a bike rack for a transit bus is 
my belief.

Kim Hetzel
Yelm, WA. 

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 7:36:47 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I mean the fallback is to take the smaller Clem H. It will be easier to 
> get onto public transport bike racks and be easier to slot into a dorm at 
> night too. The choice doesn't have to be Clem L or total beater. That Clem 
> H is a killer bike that has slightly less sentimental value if it happens 
> to get stolen. If it doesn't then he knows he can go with the bigger one 
> the next semester. 
>
> On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:58:42 AM UTC-4 Curtis wrote:
>
>> If this is a question of bicycle happiness level (BHL)for a first year 
>> college student we may be spending more energy on this than we should.  
>> Difficult to judge the BHL for an 18 y.o. when we are looking at this 
>> through our rose or not so rose colored glasses.  Who is to say the student 
>> on the 100 dollar "beater" has a different BHL compared to the student on 
>> the 2500 dollar bicycle?  
>>
>> Perhaps only the rider knows.
>>
>> Perhaps we should hope that the student is indifferent about the bicycle 
>> they ride and are focused on the task at hand.  
>>
>> If this bicycle and not that bicycle makes the student happier at college 
>> then pick this bicycle.
>>
>> Peace,
>> Curtis
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 9, 2023, 4:47 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
>> jonasa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Wow, this thread has generated a lot of response, and I’ve enjoyed 
>>> reading every post. It’s such a shame we have to go to extremes to avoid 
>>> bike theft - carrying heavy u-locks, being so choosy about parking and 
>>> locking, replacing parts, making the bike ugly, choosing to ride an 
>>> undesirable bike so we can preserve our desirable bike…
>>>
>>> Then there’s the other variable - how careful is the kid going to be 
>>> with the bike? Well, bikes are not precious to him. He likes his bike, sees 
>>> beauty and usefulness in it, but please do not bore him with too many 
>>> details about it. I don’t think he will worry about it like I would; and 
>>> that may lead to carelessness that gets his bike stolen. But also, he has 
>>> the Mr. Magoo-like quality of walking through life blissfully unaware of 
>>> the evil that lurks around every corner and arriving unscathed at his 
>>> destination. 
>>>
>>> The campus in question does not have a lot of bike pirates roaming 
>>> about, although yes, I know they exist everywhere. But they are not 
>>> prolific on this particular campus. I’m still undecided about what bike to 
>>> send, but any bike that goes with him will get skewers that are locked and 
>>> nuts that prevent the theft of stem, saddle and seat post. Hexlox makes all 
>>> these products, if anyone is wondering. We’ll have good u-locks, too. 
>>>
>>> And thanks to Jim for the mention of coverage under homeowners’ 
>>> insurance. I’ll be looking into that for sure. 
>>> Leah
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:04:07 PM UTC-4 nlerner wrote:
>>>
 Similar to Mackenzy, I’ve been bike commuting to college campuses for 
 many decades, the last 30 of which have been in the Boston area. I’ve 
 never 
 had a bike stolen likely because (1) I use a decent lock and (2) never 
 park 
 it outside overnight. I have colleagues who would never leave their bikes 
 outside at all and schlep them up to their offices, navigating too small 
 elevators and lots of doorways, but I’ve never seen the need. Sure, bikes 
 get stolen around here all the time, but I’m convinced those are the ones 
 easiest to steal, e.g., unlocked on a porch or in a backyard or part of a 
 larger home break in.

 Now that doesn’t mean I necessarily endorse bringing the Clem to 
 college as it will likely get thoroughly trashed from daily wear and tear 
 (bike racks are not bike-friendly spaces). But I’m also always looking for 
 an excuse to build up a commuter for colleagues.

 Neal Lerner
 Brookline MA

 On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:07:52 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> I'm amazed at the amount of discouragement of use of the Clem as a 
> college commuting bike. 
>
> I've worked at universities a good chunk of my life and commuted with 
> high(er) end bikes and never had any issues. I like riding nice bikes - 
> which is why I own them. I've parked in high foot traffic zones (in front 
> of libraries, security, etc.) or bring my bike inside ( absolute in 
> downtown Vancouver) when possible or parking my bike is in eyesight 
> (outside my old office at a bike rack in UVIC). Just the standard back 
> wheel lock with cable around the front wheel. Nothing fancy. (no QR seat) 
> Never ever ever leave them parked 

Re: [RBW] Re: Advice sought: mounting Nitto M12 or similar front rack to Paul cantis

[Brian Barnhart]

Yup. I only went to the longer bolt set up after striping out VO canto-rack bolts cause they didn’t provide enough spacing. On Aug 9, 2023, at 7:37 AM, greenteadrinkers  wrote:I have a set of the Paul rack mount bolts I'd sell for cheap if you are interested. They didn't work out for me.Best,ScottOn Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 10:20:26 AM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:Essentially the procedure, whether using chainring bolts or non-threaded spacers, is just repace Paul's supplied M6 bolt with a bolt long enough to clear whatever I'm using for spacers plus the rack stay itself. Seems simple enough. Thank you.On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:27:06 PM UTC-6 brizbarn wrote:You could also use any extra chainring bolts that you might have laying around instead of buying spacers.  I have shimano v-brakes and a VO rack, but your setup should be similar.  Longer allen bolts definitely needed, not sure how long mine are tho.  Looks like I used a washer at head of bolt too.On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:09:26 AM UTC-7 S. Greco wrote:Yes, a longer M6 is needed to make up whatever additional length is added with the spacer.On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 6:37:29 PM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:Thanks, Steven. So I'd just need a longer M6 screw along with these spacers? The Touring Cantis have a 20 mm screw, so I'd need something like an M6x40?--BobOn Monday, August 7, 2023 at 4:00:35 PM UTC-6 S. Greco wrote:I recommend using spacers instead of the rack adapters.  The rack adapters are heavy, and they make it annoying to adjust the brakes. I used 'Aluminum Unthreaded Spacers" from McMaster-Carr do to this with a nitto rack/Paul anti setup and it made it much easier to work on the brakes.You'll be able to fit a rack with adjustable stays (like Nitto M-18, F-27 or Rene Herse UD-2, etc) better to the bike.On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 1:52:21 PM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:Does anyone here have experience mounting a Nitto M12, or any front rack that attaches to the cantilever-brake bolts, to Paul brakes (either Touring Cantis or Neo-Retros)? If so, is there anything I'm unlikely to know but should before starting? (I am aware that I'll want Paul's Rack Adapters.)I have a vague, possibly faulty, recollection of caution somewhere that the process is difficult because Paul brakes extend farther forward from the bosses than other cantilever brakes.Thank you.--Bob



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Re: [RBW] Craigslist, etc 2023

[Max Faingezicht]

PSA (no relation to the seller)Seems like a good deal for a 60 Sam: $1,200Rivendell Sam Hillborne 60cm - bicycles - by owner - bike salemissoula.craigslist.orgMaxOn Aug 1, 2023, at 6:56 PM, Mike Packard  wrote:60 Cheviot frame in Austinhttps://austin.craigslist.org/bik/d/austin-60cm-rivendell-cheviot-frame/7636520917.htmlOn Saturday, July 29, 2023 at 11:15:34 AM UTC-7 Will M wrote:Thanks, Eric!  I would have offered up the QB for sale here, but it is such a unicorn (and there were so few of the orange 62cm framesets made) that I didn’t know how to price it and decided to let “the market” decide. :-)   Will M / NYCOn Sat, Jul 29, 2023 at 11:46 AM Eric Marth  wrote:For thread posterity here's a pic of Will's swt Quickbeam. Good luck with the sale, I've got it on my watchlist!On Friday, July 28, 2023 at 12:52:43 PM UTC-4 dylantho...@gmail.com wrote:wow - what a QB! If only it were a 56!On Monday, July 24, 2023 at 5:05:22 PM UTC-7 Will M wrote:Hi all.  Along lines of this thread, my 62cm orange Quickbeam is for sale on eBay right now.  Auction ends Sunday. Happy to do local pickup or ship.--Will MNYCOn Monday, July 24, 2023 at 6:41:59 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:Looks like a brand new 55cm Platy frame.https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/301092715785068/On Wednesday, July 19, 2023 at 4:55:42 PM UTC-4 Hoch in ut wrote:This appears to be an excellent deal. 51cm Appaloosa complete for $1,850https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/72490781On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 10:34:54 AM UTC-6 JAS wrote: 7 Rivs on Craiglsist in the Northwest:Appaloosa,  47cmPrototype, frame built by Mark Nobilette$3200Silverdale, WAhttps://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/bik/d/silverdale-2015-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7641501704.htmlAppaloosa frame set, 46cm$1200blueSilverdale, WAhttps://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/bik/d/silverdale-rivendell-joe-appaloosa/7642198706.htmlAppaloosa, 54cm$3400orangeCentral Point, ORhttps://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/central-point-rivendell-appaloosa-54cm/7639357342.htmlRam, 54cm (or 56cm?)$1900orangeCentral Point, ORhttps://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/central-point-rivendell-rambouillet-1st/7639406959.htmlSusie/Wolbis XL frameset$1775Eugene, ORlime-olivehttps://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/bik/d/eugene-new-rivendell-xl-susie-wolbis/7636146396.htmlHubuhhubuh, small$3700Sequim, WAhttps://olympic.craigslist.org/bik/d/sequim-rivendell-hubbuhubbuh-tandem/7642793863.htmlBleriot, 46cm$1000Deer Park, WA (near Spokane)https://spokane.craigslist.org/bik/d/deer-park-rivendell-bleriot/7639080253.htmlOn Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 6:51:13 AM UTC-7 maxcr wrote:Another All Rounder, beautiful and in my size - so tempting, but the timing is not right. I was in touch with the owner who also has a Bombadil, very nice guy.2004 59cm Rivendell All-RounderCurt Goodrich built frame USAJoe Bell paint26” wheels$3KSF, CAhttps://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-rivendell-all-rounder/7642699971.htmlMaxOn Thursday, July 13, 2023 at 8:39:52 AM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:Rivendell All Rounder, 54cm Waterford-built$3,000Sellwood Cycle. Portland, OR https://sellwoodcycle.com/collections/used-bikes/products/54cm-rivendell-all-arounderOn Thursday, June 29, 2023 at 2:10:25 AM UTC-4 kw wrote:https://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/bik/d/new-york-rivendell-atlantis-53cm/7635482928.htmlOn Sunday, June 18, 2023 at 1:38:33 PM UTC-4 jad...@gmail.com wrote:https://missoula.craigslist.org/bik/d/missoula-rivendell-sam-hillborne-60cm/7633643955.htmlOn Wednesday, June 14, 2023 at 9:57:41 AM UTC-6 RichS wrote:Valerie,The description says it was built in Japan, so Toyo origin. It would have come with 26" wheels; must be a conversion.Best,Rich in ATLOn Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 10:44:27 AM UTC-4 Valerie Yates wrote:Re the Atlantis 53, did Riv sell a 650B version in that size or was it a conversion? I have one and it has 26” wheels.On Tuesday, June 13, 2023 at 7:18:41 AM UTC-6 Hoch in ut wrote:Toyo Atlantis size 53. 650b with dynamo (F). This looks like a fantastic deal. I have no relation to the seller. Just happen to see it. https://classifieds.ksl.com/listing/72037052On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:17:54 PM UTC-6 Kainalu V.  -Brooklyn NY wrote:64cm top tube on that Clem, but not a 64cm frame. Biggies in the H came in at 65cm. This one above is probably a 59?-Kai (who saw the most beautiful red Quickbeam this morning on the Queensboro bridge, who’s owner said “you haven’t sold that yet?”, regarding my Rosco, to which I replied “It’s the other Rosco I’ve been thinking about selling”. But wow, those Roscos are fun fun fun, and measure 64cm and are considerably zippier feeling that the Clem 65, which I also rode today. I should send one West to the Wasatch Front for yearly shreds, but I shouldn’t….)On Tuesday, June 6, 2023 at 4:18:44 PM UTC-4 Matthew Williams wrote:Clem Smith Jr. H64cm2200Pleasanton, CAhttps://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/bik/d/pleasanton-rivendell-clem-smith-jr-64cm/7629580864.html



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[RBW] Re: Routine maintenance / habits / survey

[Piaw Na]

I live in California but I ride year round, so I don't avoid rain. I also 
take a perverse pleasure in destroying bike parts and bike frames, to the 
point where I actually track mileage on various 
components: https://blog.piaw.net/2009/04/lifetime-of-bike-parts.html

I check my chain every month or so, and I wear the tires down to the 
casing. I buy high quality parts and don't usually need to do more than 
replacing a BB every 25000 miles. I used to run Shimano hubs and got tired 
of paying to repack the bearings. It turned out that while I could clean 
and grease the hubs, I hated messing with the preload and the special 
spanners. After about 5 years the maintenance from paying someone to 
overhaul the bearings costs more than the hubs themselves, so now I've 
switched to sealed bearing hubs. I don't tear down my bikes to do 
maintenance, just replace whatever parts wear out as they go bad. I've 
discovered that things like headsets don't go bad. Living in California I 
don't need anti-rust, despite riding in the rain --- they don't put salt on 
the roads and the rain cleans the bike for me.

I do build my own wheels whenever I can. Though now that I've found Ted 
Nugent's website I can't build my own wheels cheaper than buying from him, 
so I might just buy from Nugent from now on. I don't even clean my bikes 
--- which is why sometimes I'll break a frame and not notice until the bike 
starts shifting on its own and I inspect it for cracks --- another reason I 
shouldn't ride carbon bikes.

Things that have me going to bike shops: (1) bent derailleur hanger --- 
they can fix it far faster than I can, and I can't be bothered to buy the 
tool. (2) kids bikes indexing --- don't like messing with those and I can't 
ever get them right anyway (3) suspension overhauls -- don't have the tools 
(4) hydraulic disc brakes --- those go on MTBs which don't get high mileage 
and I don't want to mess with those.

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 1:56:02 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:

> Howdy all, 
>
> I am curious in what sort of maintenance you and your Riv's (and other 
> bikes) undergo. 
>
> 1. location (climate variable) 
> 2. how often do you tinker with your bike (customizing, small adjustments, 
> wash, grease) (can you over grease?) 
> 3. how often do you full tear down (do you re-treat anti-rust?) 
> 4. when do you cave and let a shop work on your bike?
>
> My current routine is a little lacking or in need of adjustment in a 
> somewhat new to me climate. I am a frequent tinkerer of bikes - and I have 
> a weird hang-ups with letting shops work on my bikes. I've only had a few 
> trusted mechanics that I've really felt comfortable working on my bikes. 
> I've had some things installed by mechanics and find they rarely grease 
> anything which leads to rusting at contact points which bothers me. I have 
> no idea the correct amount of grease, but previously never had much for 
> issue myself. 
>
> I've moved to the coast (Vancouver bc) and been finding that my bikes 
> really rust or corrode much more quickly here than living in Minnesota, or 
> Alberta. (winter slurry aside). I try to rinse off my bike a few times a 
> week during rainy season to prevent road goo from accumulating - but that 
> is easier said than done. I probably give a quick scrub with a brush and 
> hose once a month (maybe every 3-6 months with soap). I probably tinker 
> once a month with installing parts or making minor adjustments so these 
> often coincide. 
>
> I usually try to do a full tear down yearly where I scrub and re-grease 
> everything. I love fluid film so try to give a quick respray on the most 
> vulnerable areas (I like it more than frame saver) and replace any bits n 
> bobs that needs replacing. I wipe down  and degrease any external grease or 
> fluid film. 
>
> After this summer's first (yearly) tear down - I noticed a lot more 
> corrosion or rust than on previous bikes. I am assuming that it is perhaps 
> partly related to coastal climate. Not to mention that finish on the 
> Clementine is abysmal (lots of chipping and cracking). But really don't 
> want to repaint if I don't have to. The frame was also initially un-treated 
> and I've since treated as well as loaded up most contact points with more 
> fluid film and/or grease. Hoping it'll be less of an issue now that I've 
> undergone my normal corrosion prevention routine. 
>
> Curious what your habits are - (bonus if you live on the coast!)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Routine maintenance / habits / survey

[Jay Lonner]

Having lived in similar climates as the OP my experience is quite different. As a year-round bicycle commuter in Wisconsin I found winter to be very hard on bikes, basically requiring an annual spring teardown once the road salt had a chance to dissipate. In the PNW I am very neglectful of my bikes. I figure that the rain does a good enough job of keeping the road grime washed off, although fenders help a lot with keeping it contained. I don’t routinely replace cables or drivetrain components until the accumulation of grease and grit begins to offend even my laissez faire aesthetics, and then I’ll do a half-assed job of spiffing things up. As we speak I’m preparing to swap in a new cassette and chain, and am experimenting for the first time with chain wax as an alternative to more conventional lubes.A lot of it might have to do formative biking experiences. This is where I grew up, so this is my default — it’s how I expect bikes to weather. I’m used to it. Living in the upper Midwest was quite a change of pace, so I had to adjust my mindset after trashing a nice bike (an XO-1!) my first winter there. Jay LonnerBellingham, WASent from my Atari 400On Aug 8, 2023, at 2:38 PM, John Rinker  wrote:Hey Mackenzy, I live in the interior of BC (Slocan Valley near Nelson) so our weather is a bit different, but here's what I can tell you about how I care for my bikes:1. I don't really ride them much in the winter (Dec.-Mar.) unless I head South so I can't say much about salty roads and such. Spring and Fall can be wet here, and Summer is usually dry. 2. I'm a believer in a well-maintained bike is more fun to ride. I also love to tinker with my bikes and I love being in my shop, so I'm always poking around with with them. Generally, I'll clean and lube my chain every 2-3 weeks as trails can be dusty here in the Summer. Maybe I'll spray my bikes down every couple of weeks if they're really dirty, but usually, they go unwashed unless I want to give them a good going over. (A clean bike is more enjoyable to work with)3. In the Winter I'll take the bikes apart for a more thorough cleaning and re-lubing of anything that moves (more to keep my hands from being idle than anything, but it's always fun). I like to clean all the bearings and regrease. And, I'll even put a coat of Griot's ceramic wax on the frames.4. I sprayed both frames (Atlantis, Hunq) with T-9 when I first built them up (2015 and 2020) but not since. I guess if I lived near the salty coastal waters I'd have done it again by now...maybe.5. I've never had a shop work on my bike because I'm pretty confident in my ability to keep things in good order. I can pretty much handle anything mechanical issues on my bikes, and when I can there's always plenty of fine people here to point out directions. I build my own wheels and abuse them thoroughly, and I have never had to deal with them (much to my chagrin, as I love the wheelbuilding process! I even had a couple of old wheels around that I tear down and build up just to keep in practice.)In short, I don't baby my bikes, but I treat them respectfully and do keep them in good working order because I don't really care for squeaks and creaks while I ride. I like it when the animals in the forest don't know I'm coming- better chance to spot them.Hope this helps.Cheers, JohnOn Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 1:56:02 PM UTC-7 Mackenzy Albright wrote:Howdy all, I am curious in what sort of maintenance you and your Riv's (and other bikes) undergo. 1. location (climate variable) 2. how often do you tinker with your bike (customizing, small adjustments, wash, grease) (can you over grease?) 3. how often do you full tear down (do you re-treat anti-rust?) 4. when do you cave and let a shop work on your bike?My current routine is a little lacking or in need of adjustment in a somewhat new to me climate. I am a frequent tinkerer of bikes - and I have a weird hang-ups with letting shops work on my bikes. I've only had a few trusted mechanics that I've really felt comfortable working on my bikes. I've had some things installed by mechanics and find they rarely grease anything which leads to rusting at contact points which bothers me. I have no idea the correct amount of grease, but previously never had much for issue myself. I've moved to the coast (Vancouver bc) and been finding that my bikes really rust or corrode much more quickly here than living in Minnesota, or Alberta. (winter slurry aside). I try to rinse off my bike a few times a week during rainy season to prevent road goo from accumulating - but that is easier said than done. I probably give a quick scrub with a brush and hose once a month (maybe every 3-6 months with soap). I probably tinker once a month with installing parts or making minor adjustments so these often coincide. I usually try to do a full tear down yearly where I scrub and re-grease everything. I love fluid film so try to give a quick respray on the most vulnerable areas (I like it more than frame saver) and 

[RBW] Re: Advice sought: mounting Nitto M12 or similar front rack to Paul cantis

[greenteadrinkers]

I have a set of the Paul rack mount bolts I'd sell for cheap if you are 
interested. They didn't work out for me.

Best,
Scott

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 10:20:26 AM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:

> Essentially the procedure, whether using chainring bolts or non-threaded 
> spacers, is just repace Paul's supplied M6 bolt with a bolt long enough to 
> clear whatever I'm using for spacers plus the rack stay itself. Seems 
> simple enough. Thank you.
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:27:06 PM UTC-6 brizbarn wrote:
>
>> You could also use any extra chainring bolts that you might have laying 
>> around instead of buying spacers.  I have shimano v-brakes and a VO rack, 
>> but your setup should be similar.  Longer allen bolts definitely needed, 
>> not sure how long mine are tho.  Looks like I used a washer at head of bolt 
>> too.
>> [image: IMG_0480.JPG]
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:09:26 AM UTC-7 S. Greco wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, a longer M6 is needed to make up whatever additional length is 
>>> added with the spacer.
>>> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 6:37:29 PM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thanks, Steven. So I'd just need a longer M6 screw along with these 
 spacers? The Touring Cantis have a 20 mm screw, so I'd need something like 
 an M6x40?

 --
 Bob

 On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 4:00:35 PM UTC-6 S. Greco wrote:

> I recommend using spacers instead of the rack adapters.  The rack 
> adapters are heavy, and they make it annoying to adjust the brakes. I 
> used 
> 'Aluminum Unthreaded Spacers" from McMaster-Carr do to this with a nitto 
> rack/Paul anti setup and it made it much easier to work on the brakes.
>
> You'll be able to fit a rack with adjustable stays (like Nitto M-18, 
> F-27 or Rene Herse UD-2, etc) better to the bike.
>
> [image: mcmaster.png]
>
> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 1:52:21 PM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone here have experience mounting a Nitto M12, or any front 
>> rack that attaches to the cantilever-brake bolts, to Paul brakes (either 
>> Touring Cantis or Neo-Retros)? If so, is there anything I'm unlikely to 
>> know but should before starting? (I am aware that I'll want Paul's Rack 
>> Adapters.)
>>
>> I have a vague, possibly faulty, recollection of caution somewhere 
>> that the process is difficult because Paul brakes extend farther forward 
>> from the bosses than other cantilever brakes.
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> --
>> Bob
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: A College Clem

[Johnny Alien]

I mean the fallback is to take the smaller Clem H. It will be easier to get 
onto public transport bike racks and be easier to slot into a dorm at night 
too. The choice doesn't have to be Clem L or total beater. That Clem H is a 
killer bike that has slightly less sentimental value if it happens to get 
stolen. If it doesn't then he knows he can go with the bigger one the next 
semester. 

On Wednesday, August 9, 2023 at 9:58:42 AM UTC-4 Curtis wrote:

> If this is a question of bicycle happiness level (BHL)for a first year 
> college student we may be spending more energy on this than we should.  
> Difficult to judge the BHL for an 18 y.o. when we are looking at this 
> through our rose or not so rose colored glasses.  Who is to say the student 
> on the 100 dollar "beater" has a different BHL compared to the student on 
> the 2500 dollar bicycle?  
>
> Perhaps only the rider knows.
>
> Perhaps we should hope that the student is indifferent about the bicycle 
> they ride and are focused on the task at hand.  
>
> If this bicycle and not that bicycle makes the student happier at college 
> then pick this bicycle.
>
> Peace,
> Curtis
>
> On Wed, Aug 9, 2023, 4:47 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!  
> wrote:
>
>> Wow, this thread has generated a lot of response, and I’ve enjoyed 
>> reading every post. It’s such a shame we have to go to extremes to avoid 
>> bike theft - carrying heavy u-locks, being so choosy about parking and 
>> locking, replacing parts, making the bike ugly, choosing to ride an 
>> undesirable bike so we can preserve our desirable bike…
>>
>> Then there’s the other variable - how careful is the kid going to be with 
>> the bike? Well, bikes are not precious to him. He likes his bike, sees 
>> beauty and usefulness in it, but please do not bore him with too many 
>> details about it. I don’t think he will worry about it like I would; and 
>> that may lead to carelessness that gets his bike stolen. But also, he has 
>> the Mr. Magoo-like quality of walking through life blissfully unaware of 
>> the evil that lurks around every corner and arriving unscathed at his 
>> destination. 
>>
>> The campus in question does not have a lot of bike pirates roaming about, 
>> although yes, I know they exist everywhere. But they are not prolific on 
>> this particular campus. I’m still undecided about what bike to send, but 
>> any bike that goes with him will get skewers that are locked and nuts that 
>> prevent the theft of stem, saddle and seat post. Hexlox makes all these 
>> products, if anyone is wondering. We’ll have good u-locks, too. 
>>
>> And thanks to Jim for the mention of coverage under homeowners’ 
>> insurance. I’ll be looking into that for sure. 
>> Leah
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:04:07 PM UTC-4 nlerner wrote:
>>
>>> Similar to Mackenzy, I’ve been bike commuting to college campuses for 
>>> many decades, the last 30 of which have been in the Boston area. I’ve never 
>>> had a bike stolen likely because (1) I use a decent lock and (2) never park 
>>> it outside overnight. I have colleagues who would never leave their bikes 
>>> outside at all and schlep them up to their offices, navigating too small 
>>> elevators and lots of doorways, but I’ve never seen the need. Sure, bikes 
>>> get stolen around here all the time, but I’m convinced those are the ones 
>>> easiest to steal, e.g., unlocked on a porch or in a backyard or part of a 
>>> larger home break in.
>>>
>>> Now that doesn’t mean I necessarily endorse bringing the Clem to college 
>>> as it will likely get thoroughly trashed from daily wear and tear (bike 
>>> racks are not bike-friendly spaces). But I’m also always looking for an 
>>> excuse to build up a commuter for colleagues.
>>>
>>> Neal Lerner
>>> Brookline MA
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:07:52 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>>
 I'm amazed at the amount of discouragement of use of the Clem as a 
 college commuting bike. 

 I've worked at universities a good chunk of my life and commuted with 
 high(er) end bikes and never had any issues. I like riding nice bikes - 
 which is why I own them. I've parked in high foot traffic zones (in front 
 of libraries, security, etc.) or bring my bike inside ( absolute in 
 downtown Vancouver) when possible or parking my bike is in eyesight 
 (outside my old office at a bike rack in UVIC). Just the standard back 
 wheel lock with cable around the front wheel. Nothing fancy. (no QR seat) 
 Never ever ever leave them parked over night. I always avoid dark or 
 hidden 
 area's, especially near residence halls or maintenance buildings. Granted 
 - 
 some universities and colleges are more sketchy than others. I've found 
 eventually other cyclists with nice or similar bikes will start parking 
 around you. It's a little heartwarming. My biggest issue is the occasional 
 bike jammer - which leads to fender misalignment or dents. Scratches etc. 
 

[RBW] Re: Advice sought: mounting Nitto M12 or similar front rack to Paul cantis

[Bob]

Essentially the procedure, whether using chainring bolts or non-threaded 
spacers, is just repace Paul's supplied M6 bolt with a bolt long enough to 
clear whatever I'm using for spacers plus the rack stay itself. Seems 
simple enough. Thank you.
On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:27:06 PM UTC-6 brizbarn wrote:

> You could also use any extra chainring bolts that you might have laying 
> around instead of buying spacers.  I have shimano v-brakes and a VO rack, 
> but your setup should be similar.  Longer allen bolts definitely needed, 
> not sure how long mine are tho.  Looks like I used a washer at head of bolt 
> too.
> [image: IMG_0480.JPG]
>
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:09:26 AM UTC-7 S. Greco wrote:
>
>> Yes, a longer M6 is needed to make up whatever additional length is added 
>> with the spacer.
>> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 6:37:29 PM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, Steven. So I'd just need a longer M6 screw along with these 
>>> spacers? The Touring Cantis have a 20 mm screw, so I'd need something like 
>>> an M6x40?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bob
>>>
>>> On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 4:00:35 PM UTC-6 S. Greco wrote:
>>>
 I recommend using spacers instead of the rack adapters.  The rack 
 adapters are heavy, and they make it annoying to adjust the brakes. I used 
 'Aluminum Unthreaded Spacers" from McMaster-Carr do to this with a nitto 
 rack/Paul anti setup and it made it much easier to work on the brakes.

 You'll be able to fit a rack with adjustable stays (like Nitto M-18, 
 F-27 or Rene Herse UD-2, etc) better to the bike.

 [image: mcmaster.png]

 On Monday, August 7, 2023 at 1:52:21 PM UTC-4 rcook...@gmail.com wrote:

> Does anyone here have experience mounting a Nitto M12, or any front 
> rack that attaches to the cantilever-brake bolts, to Paul brakes (either 
> Touring Cantis or Neo-Retros)? If so, is there anything I'm unlikely to 
> know but should before starting? (I am aware that I'll want Paul's Rack 
> Adapters.)
>
> I have a vague, possibly faulty, recollection of caution somewhere 
> that the process is difficult because Paul brakes extend farther forward 
> from the bosses than other cantilever brakes.
>
> Thank you.
>
> --
> Bob
>


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Re: [RBW] Re: A College Clem

[Curtis McKenzie]

If this is a question of bicycle happiness level (BHL)for a first year
college student we may be spending more energy on this than we should.
Difficult to judge the BHL for an 18 y.o. when we are looking at this
through our rose or not so rose colored glasses.  Who is to say the student
on the 100 dollar "beater" has a different BHL compared to the student on
the 2500 dollar bicycle?

Perhaps only the rider knows.

Perhaps we should hope that the student is indifferent about the bicycle
they ride and are focused on the task at hand.

If this bicycle and not that bicycle makes the student happier at college
then pick this bicycle.

Peace,
Curtis

On Wed, Aug 9, 2023, 4:47 AM Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
jonasandle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Wow, this thread has generated a lot of response, and I’ve enjoyed reading
> every post. It’s such a shame we have to go to extremes to avoid bike theft
> - carrying heavy u-locks, being so choosy about parking and locking,
> replacing parts, making the bike ugly, choosing to ride an undesirable bike
> so we can preserve our desirable bike…
>
> Then there’s the other variable - how careful is the kid going to be with
> the bike? Well, bikes are not precious to him. He likes his bike, sees
> beauty and usefulness in it, but please do not bore him with too many
> details about it. I don’t think he will worry about it like I would; and
> that may lead to carelessness that gets his bike stolen. But also, he has
> the Mr. Magoo-like quality of walking through life blissfully unaware of
> the evil that lurks around every corner and arriving unscathed at his
> destination.
>
> The campus in question does not have a lot of bike pirates roaming about,
> although yes, I know they exist everywhere. But they are not prolific on
> this particular campus. I’m still undecided about what bike to send, but
> any bike that goes with him will get skewers that are locked and nuts that
> prevent the theft of stem, saddle and seat post. Hexlox makes all these
> products, if anyone is wondering. We’ll have good u-locks, too.
>
> And thanks to Jim for the mention of coverage under homeowners’ insurance.
> I’ll be looking into that for sure.
> Leah
>
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:04:07 PM UTC-4 nlerner wrote:
>
>> Similar to Mackenzy, I’ve been bike commuting to college campuses for
>> many decades, the last 30 of which have been in the Boston area. I’ve never
>> had a bike stolen likely because (1) I use a decent lock and (2) never park
>> it outside overnight. I have colleagues who would never leave their bikes
>> outside at all and schlep them up to their offices, navigating too small
>> elevators and lots of doorways, but I’ve never seen the need. Sure, bikes
>> get stolen around here all the time, but I’m convinced those are the ones
>> easiest to steal, e.g., unlocked on a porch or in a backyard or part of a
>> larger home break in.
>>
>> Now that doesn’t mean I necessarily endorse bringing the Clem to college
>> as it will likely get thoroughly trashed from daily wear and tear (bike
>> racks are not bike-friendly spaces). But I’m also always looking for an
>> excuse to build up a commuter for colleagues.
>>
>> Neal Lerner
>> Brookline MA
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:07:52 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>>
>>> I'm amazed at the amount of discouragement of use of the Clem as a
>>> college commuting bike.
>>>
>>> I've worked at universities a good chunk of my life and commuted with
>>> high(er) end bikes and never had any issues. I like riding nice bikes -
>>> which is why I own them. I've parked in high foot traffic zones (in front
>>> of libraries, security, etc.) or bring my bike inside ( absolute in
>>> downtown Vancouver) when possible or parking my bike is in eyesight
>>> (outside my old office at a bike rack in UVIC). Just the standard back
>>> wheel lock with cable around the front wheel. Nothing fancy. (no QR seat)
>>> Never ever ever leave them parked over night. I always avoid dark or hidden
>>> area's, especially near residence halls or maintenance buildings. Granted -
>>> some universities and colleges are more sketchy than others. I've found
>>> eventually other cyclists with nice or similar bikes will start parking
>>> around you. It's a little heartwarming. My biggest issue is the occasional
>>> bike jammer - which leads to fender misalignment or dents. Scratches etc.
>>> It's the life of a bike.
>>>
>>> I am of the opinion have a wonderful bike to have a wonderful ride
>>> everyday not to hide in the garage. On the counterpoint - if one is going
>>> to be riding to the bars or parties or potential overnight parking...this
>>> is where the shenanigans will happen. It could be good having a "bar
>>> hopper" single speed or something of the sort if biking is desired in these
>>> situations.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 1:50:41 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>>>
 Have you considered a Brompton for a college bike? The folding nature
 of it means it can always 

[RBW] Re: FS - Ron's Bikes Fabios Fanny - Golidlocks

[Sean Steinle]

sold

On Tuesday, June 27, 2023 at 3:10:30 PM UTC-5 Sean Steinle wrote:

> bump, open to a reasonable offer.
>
> On Monday, June 12, 2023 at 11:04:54 AM UTC-5 Sean Steinle wrote:
>
>> Excellent condition, mounted to my bars, and tested packing around the 
>> house. Turns out these aren't designed for the old narrow drop bar holdouts 
>> :) Has some extremely minor wear marks from testing, but otherwise it's 
>> like new. Includes a MUSA cotton strap with brass hardware that matches the 
>> bag great! I'm into the whole package for $206, would like to sell for $170 
>> + shipping. Basically just throwing the strap in for free on a sold out 
>> colorway.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: A College Clem

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Wow, this thread has generated a lot of response, and I’ve enjoyed reading 
every post. It’s such a shame we have to go to extremes to avoid bike theft 
- carrying heavy u-locks, being so choosy about parking and locking, 
replacing parts, making the bike ugly, choosing to ride an undesirable bike 
so we can preserve our desirable bike…

Then there’s the other variable - how careful is the kid going to be with 
the bike? Well, bikes are not precious to him. He likes his bike, sees 
beauty and usefulness in it, but please do not bore him with too many 
details about it. I don’t think he will worry about it like I would; and 
that may lead to carelessness that gets his bike stolen. But also, he has 
the Mr. Magoo-like quality of walking through life blissfully unaware of 
the evil that lurks around every corner and arriving unscathed at his 
destination. 

The campus in question does not have a lot of bike pirates roaming about, 
although yes, I know they exist everywhere. But they are not prolific on 
this particular campus. I’m still undecided about what bike to send, but 
any bike that goes with him will get skewers that are locked and nuts that 
prevent the theft of stem, saddle and seat post. Hexlox makes all these 
products, if anyone is wondering. We’ll have good u-locks, too. 

And thanks to Jim for the mention of coverage under homeowners’ insurance. 
I’ll be looking into that for sure. 
Leah

On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 7:04:07 PM UTC-4 nlerner wrote:

> Similar to Mackenzy, I’ve been bike commuting to college campuses for many 
> decades, the last 30 of which have been in the Boston area. I’ve never had 
> a bike stolen likely because (1) I use a decent lock and (2) never park it 
> outside overnight. I have colleagues who would never leave their bikes 
> outside at all and schlep them up to their offices, navigating too small 
> elevators and lots of doorways, but I’ve never seen the need. Sure, bikes 
> get stolen around here all the time, but I’m convinced those are the ones 
> easiest to steal, e.g., unlocked on a porch or in a backyard or part of a 
> larger home break in.
>
> Now that doesn’t mean I necessarily endorse bringing the Clem to college 
> as it will likely get thoroughly trashed from daily wear and tear (bike 
> racks are not bike-friendly spaces). But I’m also always looking for an 
> excuse to build up a commuter for colleagues.
>
> Neal Lerner
> Brookline MA
>
> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 5:07:52 PM UTC-4 Mackenzy Albright wrote:
>
>> I'm amazed at the amount of discouragement of use of the Clem as a 
>> college commuting bike. 
>>
>> I've worked at universities a good chunk of my life and commuted with 
>> high(er) end bikes and never had any issues. I like riding nice bikes - 
>> which is why I own them. I've parked in high foot traffic zones (in front 
>> of libraries, security, etc.) or bring my bike inside ( absolute in 
>> downtown Vancouver) when possible or parking my bike is in eyesight 
>> (outside my old office at a bike rack in UVIC). Just the standard back 
>> wheel lock with cable around the front wheel. Nothing fancy. (no QR seat) 
>> Never ever ever leave them parked over night. I always avoid dark or hidden 
>> area's, especially near residence halls or maintenance buildings. Granted - 
>> some universities and colleges are more sketchy than others. I've found 
>> eventually other cyclists with nice or similar bikes will start parking 
>> around you. It's a little heartwarming. My biggest issue is the occasional 
>> bike jammer - which leads to fender misalignment or dents. Scratches etc. 
>> It's the life of a bike. 
>>
>> I am of the opinion have a wonderful bike to have a wonderful ride 
>> everyday not to hide in the garage. On the counterpoint - if one is going 
>> to be riding to the bars or parties or potential overnight parking...this 
>> is where the shenanigans will happen. It could be good having a "bar 
>> hopper" single speed or something of the sort if biking is desired in these 
>> situations. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 8, 2023 at 1:50:41 PM UTC-7 Ian A wrote:
>>
>>> Have you considered a Brompton for a college bike? The folding nature of 
>>> it means it can always be safely inside with your son. 
>>>
>>> IanA Alberta Canada
>>> On Saturday, August 5, 2023 at 8:54:39 PM UTC-6 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 It nearly kills me to say it, but my older son will be heading to 
 college in a year. Freshman aren’t to bring cars to campus, so that leaves 
 buses, bikes, and your own two feet for transportation. My boys have grown 
 up riding Clem Hs; this son rides a 52 cm cast-off from my husband (who 
 doesn’t ride, sigh). 

 My 6’3” Dad had a blue 59 cm Clem on order when he died suddenly in 
 2020, and his blue Clem has sat, boxed, waiting for my boy to grow into 
 it. 
 I lugged the gargantuan box up from the basement last week to see how if 
 the bike would fit. “Now that I’ve obtained 

[RBW] Re: PSA: Thomson 26.8 Masterpiece Clearance

[Nick Payne]

I was a bit pissed off when I found on delivery that the latest Rivendell 
frame I bought took a 26.8 seatpost. The three previous Riv frames I have 
all use 27.2. And in fact, this latest frame wasn't even accurately sized 
for 26.8 - the Kalloy seatpost that came with it, and which was a true 26.8 
by my vernier calipers, was a slightly loose fit in the seat tube. So I 
reamed the seat tube to 27.0 and used a 27.0 Nitto S83.

Nick Payne

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