[RBW] ISO Clem Sack

2023-12-14 Thread Coco Menk
For the taller skinny Wald. 

Lmk

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[RBW] Re: HUGE Rivendell archive update: Catalogs, flyers, brochures and more

2023-12-14 Thread J
The Radavist (John Watson) has surely contributed to the Hunqs recent 
popularity

On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 5:26:00 PM UTC-5 Chris L wrote:

> I think the Hunqapillar was first offered around 2011 and I have one from 
> the first batch, bought from the original owner a few years ago.  
>
> Just as an interesting observation, I've been following RBW since 2011 and 
> for much of that time, most of the opinions I encountered outside this 
> small community were not overwhelmingly positive.  Now that the whole 
> gravel thing has taken off, I've found a ton of respect and admiration for 
> Rivendell.  Bike shop employees actually get excited when they see mine and 
> a couple have expressed interest, if I ever consider parting with it.  One 
> guy, who owns some very cool bikes and even started his own bike company, 
> said he knows several guys with Hunqapillars and that would be interested 
> in mine. 
>
> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 5:56:44 PM UTC-5 johnny@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I've been trolling through old Riv Reader's, some fun reading I remember 
>> doing a long time ago when those were new. Thanks for sharing and archiving!
>>
>> Question though, and it's probably an easy one. I own a Hunqapillar and 
>> love it. When was the Hunq offered? What years and how many years? Any idea 
>> how many frames were sold? 
>>
>> On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 7:28:27 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone. Small update: Reed added the Hunqapillar brochure to the 
>>> archive. 
>>>
>>>
>>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 8:59:16 AM UTC-5 John A. Bennett wrote:
>>>
 Great to see this again, Eric. I *might* have a copy...somewhere. 

 Thanks! 

 John

 On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 10:08:47 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I've spent the last several months scanning my collection of Rivendell 
> catalogs, flyers, ads and brochures. 
>
> Reed, who hosts the archive of Rivendell Readers at 
> http://notfine.com/rivreader/, kindly added all of my scans to the 
> site. Now there is quite a trove of Rivendell ephemera. 
>
> He created a new link (the old one still works!): 
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/
>
> Enjoy reading! All of the files are text searchable. If you have 
> anything that we haven't included please send me a DM. 
>
>
>- All 20 Rivendell catalogs
>   -  Catalogs from 1996-2018
>- Frame brochures
>   - 1995 frames mailer
>   - Atlantis and Atlantis 2
>   - Rambouillet
>   - Romulus
>   - Rivendell Frame Brochure
>   - An early frame paint chart
>   - *I'm missing the Cheviot brochure*
>- Flyers
>   - Nine flyers from 2002–2009
>   - *I'm missing Hiawatha Holidays No. 1 *
>- Ads
>   - An add for the reader from Vintage Bicycle Quarterly
>   - A 2014 Cheviot ad
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1st world commuting dilemma

2023-12-14 Thread Chester
On Monday, December 11, 2023 at 10:07:11 AM UTC-8 Josh C wrote:


Timothy - What’s your dream bike? We wanna see…

As for your locking method, same. I think it’s kind of the only good way to 
do it. Lock through the fame/back wheel, then cable through the front 
wheel. I guess a second U-lock for the front wheel/frame is always safer 
but starts to get heavy. I’m heavy enough without 2 U-locks strapped to me. 


If the hospital you work at has an area to lock up the bikes that is pretty 
well trafficked and someone going at a U-lock with an angle grinder is not 
typically going to be ignored, then I would worry about security a lot 
less. Especially if in view of staff who are usually around. Even more so 
if you lock up with two locks. Good idea to leave one at work and carry one 
with you. Even better if one is a high security chain so that they're two 
different styles. 

And especially if you ugly it up. I wouldn't festoon it with stickers, but 
you could wrap up sections with old inner tubes and/or mismatched cloth 
tape that you get a little grimy to make it look more like it might be 
someone's random, old mass-produced steel beater. 

I don't think thieves are going to target something like a Rivendell so 
much. A bike that needs to be recognized by someone who knows what it is to 
get what it's worth, but which also is more noteworthy and attracts more 
detailed attention. Maybe I'm thinking too much into it and there might be 
plenty of thieves very happy to sell off a Riv. But, in any case, I 
wouldn't be surprised at all if your Surly would be as tempting a target 
than your Rivs, maybe even more.

Chester
SF Bay Area

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[RBW] Re: HUGE Rivendell archive update: Catalogs, flyers, brochures and more

2023-12-14 Thread Chris L
I think the Hunqapillar was first offered around 2011 and I have one from 
the first batch, bought from the original owner a few years ago.  

Just as an interesting observation, I've been following RBW since 2011 and 
for much of that time, most of the opinions I encountered outside this 
small community were not overwhelmingly positive.  Now that the whole 
gravel thing has taken off, I've found a ton of respect and admiration for 
Rivendell.  Bike shop employees actually get excited when they see mine and 
a couple have expressed interest, if I ever consider parting with it.  One 
guy, who owns some very cool bikes and even started his own bike company, 
said he knows several guys with Hunqapillars and that would be interested 
in mine. 

On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 5:56:44 PM UTC-5 johnny@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I've been trolling through old Riv Reader's, some fun reading I remember 
> doing a long time ago when those were new. Thanks for sharing and archiving!
>
> Question though, and it's probably an easy one. I own a Hunqapillar and 
> love it. When was the Hunq offered? What years and how many years? Any idea 
> how many frames were sold? 
>
> On Friday, July 8, 2022 at 7:28:27 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone. Small update: Reed added the Hunqapillar brochure to the 
>> archive. 
>>
>>
>> http://notfine.com/rivendell/Brochures/Rivendell%20Frames%20Hunqapillar.pdf
>>
>> On Thursday, December 23, 2021 at 8:59:16 AM UTC-5 John A. Bennett wrote:
>>
>>> Great to see this again, Eric. I *might* have a copy...somewhere. 
>>>
>>> Thanks! 
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 10:08:47 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I've spent the last several months scanning my collection of Rivendell 
 catalogs, flyers, ads and brochures. 

 Reed, who hosts the archive of Rivendell Readers at 
 http://notfine.com/rivreader/, kindly added all of my scans to the 
 site. Now there is quite a trove of Rivendell ephemera. 

 He created a new link (the old one still works!): 
 http://notfine.com/rivendell/

 Enjoy reading! All of the files are text searchable. If you have 
 anything that we haven't included please send me a DM. 


- All 20 Rivendell catalogs
   -  Catalogs from 1996-2018
- Frame brochures
   - 1995 frames mailer
   - Atlantis and Atlantis 2
   - Rambouillet
   - Romulus
   - Rivendell Frame Brochure
   - An early frame paint chart
   - *I'm missing the Cheviot brochure*
- Flyers
   - Nine flyers from 2002–2009
   - *I'm missing Hiawatha Holidays No. 1 *
- Ads
   - An add for the reader from Vintage Bicycle Quarterly
   - A 2014 Cheviot ad




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[RBW] Re: FS- budget 650b wheelset

2023-12-14 Thread Adam Moss
Thanks Bill, I had a feeling you might be the one to clarify as I'm a 
frequent reader and infrequent poster :)

A few folks have emailed me already. I'll post some photos later on and I'm 
not too excited about the idea of trying to ship these. Thanks!

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[RBW] Re: FS- budget 650b wheelset

2023-12-14 Thread Bill Lindsay
Spacing of 105 hubs would have been 100 and 130.  The Cheviot should have 
100 and 135.  So, either you bought the bike with the frame squeezed down 
to 130 -or- maybe the person who sold you the bike had re-spaced their 105 
rear hub to 135.  Your buyer and you will need to figure that out 
together.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 11:59:01 AM UTC-8 ocea...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have a set of 650b wheels gathering dust in my bike shed and want to 
> pass them on. They came off a Cheviot I purchased, upgraded, and eventually 
> sold.
>
> Shimano 105 hubs, VO rims. They have some unbranded tires and tubes on and 
> seem to be in great shape and spin true. Maybe someone more well versed 
> than me can help with the spacing they would be coming a Cheviot frame?
>
> I'm not sure what a fair price would be but I was thinking in the ballpark 
> of $200. Great wheel set for a commuter or someone on a budget. Please feel 
> free to make an offer.
>
> Thanks,
> Adam in Berkeley
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks B68, Paul Cantis, DA Barcons, Gravelkings, Nitto Stem, Tektro Levers

2023-12-14 Thread Chris Halasz


*Brooks B68*, Brown - $120 

SOLD - Paul Touring Cantis Silver - $90/set (two sets)  

SOLD - Shimano Dura-Ace 9-Speed Barcons - $80 

*Gravelking SS* 650b x 48mm black (set) - $50 

*Nitto UI-5GX hreadless stem* 12cm 7deg silver 1-1/8 25.4mm t - $40 

SOLD - T*ektro Drop Bar Brake Levers* (set) - $30 


Photos here: 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/sea-fisherman/albums/72177720313362957/with/53397069665


Will split most efficiently packed USPS shipping from Santa Barbara, CA


If interested, please do not attempt PayPal transactions without verifying 
my account ID! 


Thanks, 


Chris 


On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 7:07:08 AM UTC-8 Chris Halasz wrote:

> UPDATES BELOW 
>
>
> *Brooks B68*, Brown - $120 
>
> SOLD - Paul Touring Cantis Silver - $90/set (two sets)  
>
> *Shimano Dura-Ace* 9-Speed Barcons - $80 
>
> *Gravelking SS* 650b x 48mm black (set) - $50 
>
> *Nitto UI-5GX hreadless stem* 12cm 7deg silver 1-1/8 25.4mm t - $40 
>
> PENDING - T*ektro Drop Bar Brake Levers* (set) - $30 
>
>
> Photos here: 
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/sea-fisherman/albums/72177720313362957/with/53397069665
>
>
> Will split most efficiently packed USPS shipping from Santa Barbara, CA
>
>
> If interested, please do not attempt PayPal transactions without verifying 
> my account ID! 
>
>
> Thanks, 
>
>
> Chris 
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 8:57:00 PM UTC-8 Chris Halasz wrote:
>
>> In an effort to clear out some space in storage: 
>>
>> *Brooks B68*, Brown - $120 
>>
>> *Paul Touring Cantis* Silver - $90/set (two sets) 
>>
>> *Shimano Dura-Ace* 9-Speed Barcons - $80 
>>
>> *Gravelking SS* 650b x 48mm black (set) - $50 
>>
>> *Nitto UI-5GX hreadless stem* 12cm 7deg silver 1-1/8 25.4mm t - $40 
>>
>> *Tektro Drop Bar Brake Levers* (set) - $30 
>>
>>
>> Photos here: 
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/sea-fisherman/albums/72177720313362957/with/53397069665
>>
>>
>> Will split most efficiently packed USPS shipping from Santa Barbara, CA
>>
>>
>> If interested, please do not attempt PayPal transactions without 
>> verifying my account ID! 
>>
>>
>> Thanks, 
>>
>>
>> Chris 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: When were butterscotch Appaloosas made?

2023-12-14 Thread Eric Grim
Thanks, that seems pretty conclusive.  I appreciate all of you who 
responded to my question.

Eric Grim (Spokane)

On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 9:52:02 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I looked up Flickr photos of mine in 2016 as well.  
>
> BL in EC
>
> On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 8:20:18 AM UTC-8 Michael Morrissey wrote:
>
>> I bought my butterscotch Appaloosa frame on March 8, 2016. Will told me 
>> it was one of the last ones (if not the last one, maybe only the last one 
>> in 55cm size) they had.
>>
>> It is a great bike. I just rode it to work today in freezing weather 7.5 
>> miles in.
>>
>> Side note: I really wish someone would start putting together a list of 
>> production numbers, years, and colors the bikes came in. I have a small 
>> hunch Rivendell bikes will be very collectible years from now still, in the 
>> same way Serottas, Ibises, or Fat Chances are collectible now. 
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:10:35 PM UTC-5 Eric Grim wrote:
>>
>>> Does anyone remember, in what year (or years) were butterscotch-colored 
>>> Appaloosas made?  The 2018 frames catalog lists blue and silver ones.  The 
>>> website presently offers them in purple and olive.  Mine's butterscotch, 
>>> but I don't remember when I bought it.  Pre-pandemic, I think it was . . .
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance for any hints.
>>>
>>> Eric Grim (Spokane, just a little ways North of the Palouse)
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Riv-inspired S coupled Curtlo frame, 59ish cm, two forks, case, etc

2023-12-14 Thread eddietheflay
Will consider offers if you have genuine interest.

On Tuesday, December 12, 2023 at 2:21:54 PM UTC-8 eddietheflay wrote:

> Doug Curtiss of Curtlo (https://curtlo.com/) fillet brazed this in OX 
> Platinum tubing for me about 10 years ago. My spec was to have it be close 
> to a Riv Rambouillet with an extended headtube, carbon fork, and medium 
> reach brakes. Fits 35mm smooth tires with my Shimano mid reach calipers. 
> Seat stay and rear dropout eyelets for fenders or rack.
>
> Frame shows some signs of having traveled a bunch but the Brentwood Orange 
> powder has held up remarkably well. Some small blems, but no dents, or 
> issues that take away from the basic good looks.
>
> Included are Whisky NO.7RD+ uncut medium reach fork in pristine condition. 
> I also have an IRD medium reach carbon fork with alloy steerer that I 
> always installed for travel. This fork shows some signs of wear but still 
> good to put in the included grey S hard case. Case comes with custom cut 
> tube pads, net, and compression things.
>
> Would include S wrench, coupler lube, cable couplers, fenders, Topeak 
> Road Morph pump, and a light-duty rear rack.
>
> $1500 net to me will get it shipped to you.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/wT2wndpZa1oamFb1A
>

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[RBW] FS- budget 650b wheelset

2023-12-14 Thread Adam Moss
Hi all,

I have a set of 650b wheels gathering dust in my bike shed and want to pass 
them on. They came off a Cheviot I purchased, upgraded, and eventually sold.

Shimano 105 hubs, VO rims. They have some unbranded tires and tubes on and 
seem to be in great shape and spin true. Maybe someone more well versed 
than me can help with the spacing they would be coming a Cheviot frame?

I'm not sure what a fair price would be but I was thinking in the ballpark 
of $200. Great wheel set for a commuter or someone on a budget. Please feel 
free to make an offer.

Thanks,
Adam in Berkeley

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[RBW] Re: Selling Betty Foy and Ives Gomez

2023-12-14 Thread Hoch in ut
I’m interested in the Yves Gonez. My wife has a Betty and I’ve always 
wanted a counterpart. 
Anyone know what the max tire clearance is on the Gomez? Is it 700 or 650b? 

On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 9:37:16 AM UTC-7 wpes...@gmail.com wrote:

> I am selling both bikes which we purchased in 2013. We hate to sell but in 
> our age biking is no longer possible. The 60 cm Ives Gomez has top of the 
> line components upgrades including White Industries hubs and bottom 
> bracket, Paul center pull brakes, Nitto front and rear racks, Bull Moose 
> handle bar, Shimano Ultegra Derailleurs. The bike is in very good condition 
> with only very minor paint scratches. The 55cm Betty Foy is in superb as 
> new condition with a spare set of fenders. If anyone is interested please 
> let me know. I can send pictures. 

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[RBW] Re: When were butterscotch Appaloosas made?

2023-12-14 Thread Bill Lindsay
I looked up Flickr photos of mine in 2016 as well.  

BL in EC

On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 8:20:18 AM UTC-8 Michael Morrissey wrote:

> I bought my butterscotch Appaloosa frame on March 8, 2016. Will told me it 
> was one of the last ones (if not the last one, maybe only the last one in 
> 55cm size) they had.
>
> It is a great bike. I just rode it to work today in freezing weather 7.5 
> miles in.
>
> Side note: I really wish someone would start putting together a list of 
> production numbers, years, and colors the bikes came in. I have a small 
> hunch Rivendell bikes will be very collectible years from now still, in the 
> same way Serottas, Ibises, or Fat Chances are collectible now. 
>
> Michael
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:10:35 PM UTC-5 Eric Grim wrote:
>
>> Does anyone remember, in what year (or years) were butterscotch-colored 
>> Appaloosas made?  The 2018 frames catalog lists blue and silver ones.  The 
>> website presently offers them in purple and olive.  Mine's butterscotch, 
>> but I don't remember when I bought it.  Pre-pandemic, I think it was . . .
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any hints.
>>
>> Eric Grim (Spokane, just a little ways North of the Palouse)
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Selling Betty Foy and Ives Gomez

2023-12-14 Thread Julian Westerhout
Those both sound like very nice bikes. Photos added to the post would 
really help  (if you're not sure how to do that if you are using the web 
interface for this group you can add photos to a post by clicking on the 
icon that looks like two small mountains in a square at the bottom of the 
posting window), as would information on location and asking price. 

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 



On Thursday, December 14, 2023 at 10:37:16 AM UTC-6 wpes...@gmail.com wrote:

> I am selling both bikes which we purchased in 2013. We hate to sell but in 
> our age biking is no longer possible. The 60 cm Ives Gomez has top of the 
> line components upgrades including White Industries hubs and bottom 
> bracket, Paul center pull brakes, Nitto front and rear racks, Bull Moose 
> handle bar, Shimano Ultegra Derailleurs. The bike is in very good condition 
> with only very minor paint scratches. The 55cm Betty Foy is in superb as 
> new condition with a spare set of fenders. If anyone is interested please 
> let me know. I can send pictures. 

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[RBW] Re: HUGE Rivendell archive update: Catalogs, flyers, brochures and more

2023-12-14 Thread Dan F
Wow, what a treat. Thank you, Eric!

On Thursday, September 2, 2021 at 1:08:47 PM UTC-4 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've spent the last several months scanning my collection of Rivendell 
> catalogs, flyers, ads and brochures. 
>
> Reed, who hosts the archive of Rivendell Readers at 
> http://notfine.com/rivreader/, kindly added all of my scans to the site. 
> Now there is quite a trove of Rivendell ephemera. 
>
> He created a new link (the old one still works!): 
> http://notfine.com/rivendell/
>
> Enjoy reading! All of the files are text searchable. If you have anything 
> that we haven't included please send me a DM. 
>
>
>- All 20 Rivendell catalogs
>   -  Catalogs from 1996-2018
>- Frame brochures
>   - 1995 frames mailer
>   - Atlantis and Atlantis 2
>   - Rambouillet
>   - Romulus
>   - Rivendell Frame Brochure
>   - An early frame paint chart
>   - *I'm missing the Cheviot brochure*
>- Flyers
>   - Nine flyers from 2002–2009
>   - *I'm missing Hiawatha Holidays No. 1 *
>- Ads
>   - An add for the reader from Vintage Bicycle Quarterly
>   - A 2014 Cheviot ad
>
>
>

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[RBW] Selling Betty Foy and Ives Gomez

2023-12-14 Thread walter peseckas
I am selling both bikes which we purchased in 2013. We hate to sell but in 
our age biking is no longer possible. The 60 cm Ives Gomez has top of the 
line components upgrades including White Industries hubs and bottom 
bracket, Paul center pull brakes, Nitto front and rear racks, Bull Moose 
handle bar, Shimano Ultegra Derailleurs. The bike is in very good condition 
with only very minor paint scratches. The 55cm Betty Foy is in superb as 
new condition with a spare set of fenders. If anyone is interested please 
let me know. I can send pictures. 

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[RBW] Re: When were butterscotch Appaloosas made?

2023-12-14 Thread Michael Morrissey
I bought my butterscotch Appaloosa frame on March 8, 2016. Will told me it 
was one of the last ones (if not the last one, maybe only the last one in 
55cm size) they had.

It is a great bike. I just rode it to work today in freezing weather 7.5 
miles in.

Side note: I really wish someone would start putting together a list of 
production numbers, years, and colors the bikes came in. I have a small 
hunch Rivendell bikes will be very collectible years from now still, in the 
same way Serottas, Ibises, or Fat Chances are collectible now. 

Michael

On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:10:35 PM UTC-5 Eric Grim wrote:

> Does anyone remember, in what year (or years) were butterscotch-colored 
> Appaloosas made?  The 2018 frames catalog lists blue and silver ones.  The 
> website presently offers them in purple and olive.  Mine's butterscotch, 
> but I don't remember when I bought it.  Pre-pandemic, I think it was . . .
>
> Thanks in advance for any hints.
>
> Eric Grim (Spokane, just a little ways North of the Palouse)
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks B68, Paul Cantis, DA Barcons, Gravelkings, Nitto Stem, Tektro Levers

2023-12-14 Thread Chris Halasz


UPDATES BELOW 


*Brooks B68*, Brown - $120 

SOLD - Paul Touring Cantis Silver - $90/set (two sets)  

*Shimano Dura-Ace* 9-Speed Barcons - $80 

*Gravelking SS* 650b x 48mm black (set) - $50 

*Nitto UI-5GX hreadless stem* 12cm 7deg silver 1-1/8 25.4mm t - $40 

PENDING - T*ektro Drop Bar Brake Levers* (set) - $30 


Photos here: 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/sea-fisherman/albums/72177720313362957/with/53397069665


Will split most efficiently packed USPS shipping from Santa Barbara, CA


If interested, please do not attempt PayPal transactions without verifying 
my account ID! 


Thanks, 


Chris 

On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 8:57:00 PM UTC-8 Chris Halasz wrote:

> In an effort to clear out some space in storage: 
>
> *Brooks B68*, Brown - $120 
>
> *Paul Touring Cantis* Silver - $90/set (two sets) 
>
> *Shimano Dura-Ace* 9-Speed Barcons - $80 
>
> *Gravelking SS* 650b x 48mm black (set) - $50 
>
> *Nitto UI-5GX hreadless stem* 12cm 7deg silver 1-1/8 25.4mm t - $40 
>
> *Tektro Drop Bar Brake Levers* (set) - $30 
>
>
> Photos here: 
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/sea-fisherman/albums/72177720313362957/with/53397069665
>
>
> Will split most efficiently packed USPS shipping from Santa Barbara, CA
>
>
> If interested, please do not attempt PayPal transactions without verifying 
> my account ID! 
>
>
> Thanks, 
>
>
> Chris 
>

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[RBW] Re: When were butterscotch Appaloosas made?

2023-12-14 Thread Coal Bee Rye Anne
I think Ryan's got it with 2015-2016.  I took delivery of my 
butterscotch/mustard Clem H in late summer 2016 and this came after the 
Appaloosa was already released in the same color.  

Not exactly sure if that Clem batch was considered Clem gen2 or just gen1b 
since I don't think they changed geometry or design of the smaller sizes 
yet but this was the 2nd batch of Clems when they added the 65cm H size in 
forest green and buttterscotch/mustard and I recall deliberately choosing 
the 'Appaloosa butterscotch' color after placing a spring 2016 pre-order 
for the incoming 65cm size.

On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 9:48:01 PM UTC-5 Ryan wrote:

> 2015 or 2016 
>
> On Wednesday, December 13, 2023 at 8:10:35 PM UTC-6 Eric Grim wrote:
>
>> Does anyone remember, in what year (or years) were butterscotch-colored 
>> Appaloosas made?  The 2018 frames catalog lists blue and silver ones.  The 
>> website presently offers them in purple and olive.  Mine's butterscotch, 
>> but I don't remember when I bought it.  Pre-pandemic, I think it was . . .
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any hints.
>>
>> Eric Grim (Spokane, just a little ways North of the Palouse)
>>
>

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