[RBW] Re: 90-year-old cyclist: remarkable video

[John Rinker]

Thank you for sharing this Patrick. Super inspiring! May we all ride well 
into our 90s!

Cheers, John

On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 3:06:40 PM UTC-8 DTL wrote:

> What a small world. I used to work with the filmmakers partner. They 
> produce really beautiful images!
> On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 9:32:43 AM UTC+11 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
> wrote:
>
>> Well what a treasure that was. I loved the man and his bike and his story 
>> and his storytelling and his pile of siblings. What a great find, Patrick!
>> Leah
>>
>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 4:03:25 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> For those of you who don't read BSNYC: https://youtu.be/tgUC0zyu4p0
>>>
>>> 90 "at the end of the year" and he still does 400-600 km per month.
>>>
>>> Remarkable! Vigorous in mind and soul as well as in body. I suppose that 
>>> his history counts for a lot in this: born into poverty in 1933, working 
>>> from age 16 or so, growing up and living his professional life during "les 
>>> trentes glorieuses" in what seems to be a non-mega-urban setting close to 
>>> the countryside and with lovely cycling routes, close lifelong family ties.
>>>
>>> At about 10:05: "at 75 I could still climb the Tourmalet and the 
>>> Galabier ..."
>>>
>>> *And* he does this without electric assist, *and* gets by with 
>>> (apparently) Campy single pivots despite thoughts about falling at his 
>>> advanced age.
>>>
>>> Wonderful video. Cross posting because it might well interest those who 
>>> don't belong to both lists.
>>>
>>> "My youth is renewed like the eagle's."
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing 
>>> services
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*
>>>
>>> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>>>
>>> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Winter exercise switch-up for bike riders

[John Rinker]

A good friend once said: 'If it doesn't end in a cord of wood or a barn 
full of hay, it ain't exercise!' I would add a cleared driveway. Ha!

Winter around here brings lots of snow and the following exercise: clearing 
a 450m driveway (Thank you Honda!), splitting wood (Thank you Blaze King!), 
skiing (downhill, cross-country, touring), snowshoeing, and yoga. And, my 
lovely wife loves to bake, so basically all this keeps my muscles from 
atrophying and my waistline at a net-zero.

Cheers, John

On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 5:12:18 PM UTC-8 Garth wrote:

> Well I live among hills, lots of hills, nothing but hills ! So I go walky 
> walky, on the roads and through the forest, up and down and all around. I 
> live outside the city so this small subdivision of homes has always been 
> closer to rural than any semblance of an organized neighborhood. It's a 
> free for all in that people can do most anything with their land. Basically 
> the woods are my back yard so in winter I can venture in where in summer 
> it's a jungle. Of course I'm riding then, so it works out perfectly as in 
> fall all that jungle tumbles down. I generally follow animal trails, hey, 
> they know where they're going ! On a topo map this whole area looks like 
> closely spaced spider veins, basically all feeding the Ohio River, 
> eventually. I like the serenity of the woods as it's just me and wildlife, 
> it's a nice change of pace from riding on the road, or riding at all. I 
> exert myself as needed to stay warm but no more, as sweating the cold is no 
> fun. I can stop wherever and whenever, rock hop along the creeks, duck 
> beneath or slide over the fallen trees. The terrain is so varied, so wild, 
> it's fun being able to be so creative as to where to place your feet. Find 
> a certain rhythm and I feel like I'm just gliding along.  My high spot is 
> atop a hill where there is a very tall AEP Power company tower. I can see 
> forever up there, all the layers of the hills and valleys. When we have 
> winter snow squalls come in from the NW, it's especially awesome as you see 
> the various small pockets of snow falling off in the distance, often while 
> the Sun is shinning. They're like little snow filled clouds that touch the 
> ground. Five minutes layer I''m in a snow globe. Hah !  Then it's gone, 
> with more on the way. Those are some of the most wonderful walks of all. 
> Anytime its snows is magic, I can't explain why, it just is. 
>
> I don't consider myself an athlete at all, hah hah. I'm more like someone 
> who does athletic things because I love doing them in the way I do them. I 
> love bike riding for the way I can ride it, as walking for the way I can 
> walk. It's everything, the only thing ! 
> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 12:22:10 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:
>
>> I bend an elbow and walk the dog.  Oh, and if there's any snow, there's 
>> shoveling to be done.
>>
>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 10:22:37 AM UTC-6 Tim Bantham wrote:
>>
>>> I live in Upstate NY, not too far Leah from our friends at Analog Cycles 
>>> . This translates to lots of snow, long winters and a lot of time off the 
>>> bike. I do ride indoors on Zwift but the real game changer for me has been 
>>> yoga. I practice LYT yoga. It was designed by a physical therapist and is 
>>> rooted in kinesiology. It focuses on  postural alignment, better movement 
>>> habits and a strong mind body connection.  I've been practicing LYT almost 
>>> daily for a few years now. I like it so much that I even got my 200 hour 
>>> teacher certification so I can now teach although I am not current doing 
>>> so. I do all of this online at home. You can check it out at lytyoga.com. 
>>> I've never done pilates but I have heard that this type of yoga has a lot 
>>> of cross over. It has worked very well for me and has helped me build 
>>> strength, flexibility and mobility! 
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 10:22:52 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 Mrs Bubba and I signed up at Orange Theory.  It's a small class studio, 
 and it is expensive, but we're gaming the system a little bit.  It is 
 definitely aimed at the HIIT thing and focuses on heart rate.  In a 50 
 minute workout, the target is to get 12 or more splat points, a splat 
 point 
 is 1 minute in the Orange or Red zone of heart rate.  I share Leah's 
 appreciation for "just tell me what to do and play the music loud".  Going 
 along with my wife gives me an accountability buddy.  The gamification of 
 points and the data-geekery of heart rate scratches a couple of my OCD 
 itches.  This is my first month, and the program I'm on is just 8 classes 
 a 
 month.  This is a complement to my cycling rather than a full winter time 
 substitute.  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 6:55:36 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
 Ding! wrote:

> I hope this is not 

[RBW] Re: Winter exercise switch-up for bike riders

[Garth]

Well I live among hills, lots of hills, nothing but hills ! So I go walky 
walky, on the roads and through the forest, up and down and all around. I 
live outside the city so this small subdivision of homes has always been 
closer to rural than any semblance of an organized neighborhood. It's a 
free for all in that people can do most anything with their land. Basically 
the woods are my back yard so in winter I can venture in where in summer 
it's a jungle. Of course I'm riding then, so it works out perfectly as in 
fall all that jungle tumbles down. I generally follow animal trails, hey, 
they know where they're going ! On a topo map this whole area looks like 
closely spaced spider veins, basically all feeding the Ohio River, 
eventually. I like the serenity of the woods as it's just me and wildlife, 
it's a nice change of pace from riding on the road, or riding at all. I 
exert myself as needed to stay warm but no more, as sweating the cold is no 
fun. I can stop wherever and whenever, rock hop along the creeks, duck 
beneath or slide over the fallen trees. The terrain is so varied, so wild, 
it's fun being able to be so creative as to where to place your feet. Find 
a certain rhythm and I feel like I'm just gliding along.  My high spot is 
atop a hill where there is a very tall AEP Power company tower. I can see 
forever up there, all the layers of the hills and valleys. When we have 
winter snow squalls come in from the NW, it's especially awesome as you see 
the various small pockets of snow falling off in the distance, often while 
the Sun is shinning. They're like little snow filled clouds that touch the 
ground. Five minutes layer I''m in a snow globe. Hah !  Then it's gone, 
with more on the way. Those are some of the most wonderful walks of all. 
Anytime its snows is magic, I can't explain why, it just is. 

I don't consider myself an athlete at all, hah hah. I'm more like someone 
who does athletic things because I love doing them in the way I do them. I 
love bike riding for the way I can ride it, as walking for the way I can 
walk. It's everything, the only thing ! 
On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 12:22:10 PM UTC-5 George Schick wrote:

> I bend an elbow and walk the dog.  Oh, and if there's any snow, there's 
> shoveling to be done.
>
> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 10:22:37 AM UTC-6 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> I live in Upstate NY, not too far Leah from our friends at Analog Cycles 
>> . This translates to lots of snow, long winters and a lot of time off the 
>> bike. I do ride indoors on Zwift but the real game changer for me has been 
>> yoga. I practice LYT yoga. It was designed by a physical therapist and is 
>> rooted in kinesiology. It focuses on  postural alignment, better movement 
>> habits and a strong mind body connection.  I've been practicing LYT almost 
>> daily for a few years now. I like it so much that I even got my 200 hour 
>> teacher certification so I can now teach although I am not current doing 
>> so. I do all of this online at home. You can check it out at lytyoga.com. 
>> I've never done pilates but I have heard that this type of yoga has a lot 
>> of cross over. It has worked very well for me and has helped me build 
>> strength, flexibility and mobility! 
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 10:22:52 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Mrs Bubba and I signed up at Orange Theory.  It's a small class studio, 
>>> and it is expensive, but we're gaming the system a little bit.  It is 
>>> definitely aimed at the HIIT thing and focuses on heart rate.  In a 50 
>>> minute workout, the target is to get 12 or more splat points, a splat point 
>>> is 1 minute in the Orange or Red zone of heart rate.  I share Leah's 
>>> appreciation for "just tell me what to do and play the music loud".  Going 
>>> along with my wife gives me an accountability buddy.  The gamification of 
>>> points and the data-geekery of heart rate scratches a couple of my OCD 
>>> itches.  This is my first month, and the program I'm on is just 8 classes a 
>>> month.  This is a complement to my cycling rather than a full winter time 
>>> substitute.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 6:55:36 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>>> Ding! wrote:
>>>
 I hope this is not off-topic. If it is, I apologize. 

 Living in Michigan means I park my Platypuses for 3 months or so in the 
 winter. I know there are die-hards out there with their studded tires and 
 fat bikes but that’s not me. No Platypus means a lot of my workout time 
 has 
 been freed up and I need to find ways to stay active in winter. I already 
 do strength training and core 6-7 days of the week, year round. I run a 
 little. I walk a lot. But I wanted to add in something new and 
 challenging. 
 I added TWO things: Pilates and HIIT.

 I have to say that I’m amazed how much I feel Pilates. The muscles I’m 
 using in Pilates must 

Re: [RBW] Re: SF RB-1 looking very nice

[awalton]

Not to drift too far, since it is neither a Roadini nor an Bridgestonini, 
but the o.p. might also consider – in the same size and possibly even from 
the same seller – this Davidson Discovery: 
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-davidson-discovery/7698196809.html
  
(which
 
will take 35 or 38mm tires and ride dreamily).

Alex (no relation to seller) 
On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 7:16:54 PM UTC-5 Michael Connors wrote:

> This one is being offered for $1600 and has a little history
>
> [image: rb-1.jpg]
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: SF RB-1 looking very nice

[Jim M.]

Here's the '93 catalog page showing Superbe Pro 
brakes: https://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/1993/pages/26.htm

What I remember is that the RB-1 had good performance at a lower price than 
Colnago, Paramount, Medici, LandShark, Pinarello, Olmo, Basso, Cinelli 
(among others) that I would see at USCF races in California back in the 
late 80s to early 90s.  

As to RB-1 vs Roadini, do as Bill said, buy the one that appeals the most 
and save up for the other.

jim mather
walnut creek, ca

On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 2:53:23 PM UTC-8 Patrick Moore wrote:

> Now this is an interesting challenge. The RB1 had a good reputation 
> amongst the competition for its performance.
>
> Is it better than many other mid-level road bikes of its period? If yes, 
> why? (Formal and not agent or material causes; that is, what do you feel 
> when you ride it that makes it better?)
>
> Now I'd agree with Armand's sentiments if applied to the XO-1 (and 
> cousins) (and I don't disagree with him about the RB-1; I have never ridden 
> a RB-1.) But as to the XO series, I did ride a 1992 XO-1 extensively, and I 
> do think it was a very innovative design but an immature execution compared 
> to later 26" wheel customs Grant designed and to the, say, Sam (owned a 
> first-ed) and, I expect, to other later Rivendell "all 'round" or country 
> bikes.
>
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 3:32 PM Armand Kizirian  
> wrote:
>
>> I'd say the "1" in the RB-1 and "Bridgestone" in the name Bridgestone is 
>> about the most desirable things out of that bike. Do a blind test with it 
>> and any of the exceptionally similar roadbikes from the era and I doubt you 
>> can tell the difference. 
>>
>> I'd take the bike that the designer made with an additional 35+ years of 
>> experience (Grant). 
>>
>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 2:21:09 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> That very well could be. I'm sure there's a '93 Bridgestone Catalog 
>>> somewhere out there with the full specs. For some reason I thought that the 
>>> Superbe Pro were spec'd on both red and yellow versions but it could just 
>>> be the red one.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 2:02 PM Ryan  wrote:
>>>
 Iirc I thought it was the yellow rb1 that 
 came with sti while the red had those superbe brakes in 1993


 On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 3:49:52 PM UTC-6 Brian Cunningham 
 wrote:

> Must've been too good of a deal. In the 90 minutes since your post, 
> Irving, the listing has been removed.
>
> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 12:11:09 PM UTC-8 Irving wrote:
>
>> If you're looking for something:
>>
>> - 57cm-ish
>> - steel frame
>> - wide tired, rim brake
>> - in San Francisco
>> - something along the lines of a Roadini or RB-1
>> - cheaper than both of the aforementioned frames 
>>
>> You may be interested in this neat Waterford that popped up: 
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-waterford-gravel/7697225437.html
>>
>> Irving
>> SF, CA
>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 7:01:37 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I owned a Red '93 RB-1 and it died in a car crash that put me in the 
>>> hospital for days and in rehab for months. I loved that bike and should 
>>> have been more aggressive about using it so that when it died it 
>>> wouldn't 
>>> have hurt so much.
>>>
>>> Having said that, it's nowhere as versatile a bike as my current 
>>> Roadini. The default gearing on the RB-1 was way too high for most 
>>> cyclists, and there's some toe clip overlap while the Roadini has none. 
>>>  
>>> The Roadini would probably have withstood Richard Mlyrnarik's pedaling 
>>> for 
>>> longer than a season (he cracked his RB-1 in a year of riding) The 
>>> longer 
>>> chainstays of the Roadini means it descends better, and the Roadini 
>>> won't 
>>> climb any worse. The yellow RB-1 came with STIs and I've killed the 
>>> 8-speed 
>>> STIs once and won't ride them again (indexing doesn't agree with me). 
>>> Despite the Craiglist declaration, I believe the yellow RB-1 came with 
>>> Suntour Superbe Pro brakes rather than Shimano 600 ones. But the 
>>> Shimano 
>>> 600 dual pivots are better, so that's not an issue.
>>>
>>> All in all, if I had the opportunity to exchange my Roadini for a 
>>> '93 RB-1, I wouldn't. The RB-1 was a nice bike, but not as nice as what 
>>> I've built up my Roadini to be.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-8 
>>> brenton...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>

 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-time-capsule-1993/7688650100.html

 The seller said he’d go as low as $1600. There’s gotta be some 
 opinions here. I have debated 90s road bike vs Roadini in previous 
 threads 
 and I’m still 

[RBW] Re: 90-year-old cyclist: remarkable video

[DTL]

What a small world. I used to work with the filmmakers partner. They 
produce really beautiful images!
On Friday, December 22, 2023 at 9:32:43 AM UTC+11 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> Well what a treasure that was. I loved the man and his bike and his story 
> and his storytelling and his pile of siblings. What a great find, Patrick!
> Leah
>
> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 4:03:25 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> For those of you who don't read BSNYC: https://youtu.be/tgUC0zyu4p0
>>
>> 90 "at the end of the year" and he still does 400-600 km per month.
>>
>> Remarkable! Vigorous in mind and soul as well as in body. I suppose that 
>> his history counts for a lot in this: born into poverty in 1933, working 
>> from age 16 or so, growing up and living his professional life during "les 
>> trentes glorieuses" in what seems to be a non-mega-urban setting close to 
>> the countryside and with lovely cycling routes, close lifelong family ties.
>>
>> At about 10:05: "at 75 I could still climb the Tourmalet and the Galabier 
>> ..."
>>
>> *And* he does this without electric assist, *and* gets by with 
>> (apparently) Campy single pivots despite thoughts about falling at his 
>> advanced age.
>>
>> Wonderful video. Cross posting because it might well interest those who 
>> don't belong to both lists.
>>
>> "My youth is renewed like the eagle's."
>>
>> -- 
>>
>>
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Executive resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, letters, and other writing 
>> services
>>
>>
>> ---
>>
>> *When thou didst not, savage, k**now thine own meaning,*
>>
>> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>>
>> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: SF RB-1 looking very nice

[Patrick Moore]

Now this is an interesting challenge. The RB1 had a good reputation amongst
the competition for its performance.

Is it better than many other mid-level road bikes of its period? If yes,
why? (Formal and not agent or material causes; that is, what do you feel
when you ride it that makes it better?)

Now I'd agree with Armand's sentiments if applied to the XO-1 (and cousins)
(and I don't disagree with him about the RB-1; I have never ridden a RB-1.)
But as to the XO series, I did ride a 1992 XO-1 extensively, and I do think
it was a very innovative design but an immature execution compared to later
26" wheel customs Grant designed and to the, say, Sam (owned a first-ed)
and, I expect, to other later Rivendell "all 'round" or country bikes.

On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 3:32 PM Armand Kizirian 
wrote:

> I'd say the "1" in the RB-1 and "Bridgestone" in the name Bridgestone is
> about the most desirable things out of that bike. Do a blind test with it
> and any of the exceptionally similar roadbikes from the era and I doubt you
> can tell the difference.
>
> I'd take the bike that the designer made with an additional 35+ years of
> experience (Grant).
>
> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 2:21:09 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> That very well could be. I'm sure there's a '93 Bridgestone Catalog
>> somewhere out there with the full specs. For some reason I thought that the
>> Superbe Pro were spec'd on both red and yellow versions but it could just
>> be the red one.
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 2:02 PM Ryan  wrote:
>>
>>> Iirc I thought it was the yellow rb1 that
>>> came with sti while the red had those superbe brakes in 1993
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 3:49:52 PM UTC-6 Brian Cunningham
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Must've been too good of a deal. In the 90 minutes since your post,
 Irving, the listing has been removed.

 On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 12:11:09 PM UTC-8 Irving wrote:

> If you're looking for something:
>
> - 57cm-ish
> - steel frame
> - wide tired, rim brake
> - in San Francisco
> - something along the lines of a Roadini or RB-1
> - cheaper than both of the aforementioned frames
>
> You may be interested in this neat Waterford that popped up:
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-waterford-gravel/7697225437.html
>
> Irving
> SF, CA
> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 7:01:37 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> I owned a Red '93 RB-1 and it died in a car crash that put me in the
>> hospital for days and in rehab for months. I loved that bike and should
>> have been more aggressive about using it so that when it died it wouldn't
>> have hurt so much.
>>
>> Having said that, it's nowhere as versatile a bike as my current
>> Roadini. The default gearing on the RB-1 was way too high for most
>> cyclists, and there's some toe clip overlap while the Roadini has none.
>> The Roadini would probably have withstood Richard Mlyrnarik's pedaling 
>> for
>> longer than a season (he cracked his RB-1 in a year of riding) The longer
>> chainstays of the Roadini means it descends better, and the Roadini won't
>> climb any worse. The yellow RB-1 came with STIs and I've killed the 
>> 8-speed
>> STIs once and won't ride them again (indexing doesn't agree with me).
>> Despite the Craiglist declaration, I believe the yellow RB-1 came with
>> Suntour Superbe Pro brakes rather than Shimano 600 ones. But the Shimano
>> 600 dual pivots are better, so that's not an issue.
>>
>> All in all, if I had the opportunity to exchange my Roadini for a '93
>> RB-1, I wouldn't. The RB-1 was a nice bike, but not as nice as what I've
>> built up my Roadini to be.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-8
>> brenton...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-time-capsule-1993/7688650100.html
>>>
>>> The seller said he’d go as low as $1600. There’s gotta be some
>>> opinions here. I have debated 90s road bike vs Roadini in previous 
>>> threads
>>> and I’m still considering both. Building a Roadini would cost me
>>> $2000-$2200. The yellow 93 RB1 is my favorite, aesthetically speaking, 
>>> but
>>> I’ve never ridden one.
>>>
>>> I’ve had a 92 Fuji Team with similar geo and loved it, but sold it.
>>> It was a 56 and a hair too small.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: SF RB-1 looking very nice

[Armand Kizirian]

I'd say the "1" in the RB-1 and "Bridgestone" in the name Bridgestone is 
about the most desirable things out of that bike. Do a blind test with it 
and any of the exceptionally similar roadbikes from the era and I doubt you 
can tell the difference. 

I'd take the bike that the designer made with an additional 35+ years of 
experience (Grant). 

On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 2:21:09 PM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> That very well could be. I'm sure there's a '93 Bridgestone Catalog 
> somewhere out there with the full specs. For some reason I thought that the 
> Superbe Pro were spec'd on both red and yellow versions but it could just 
> be the red one.
>
> On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 2:02 PM Ryan  wrote:
>
>> Iirc I thought it was the yellow rb1 that 
>> came with sti while the red had those superbe brakes in 1993
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 3:49:52 PM UTC-6 Brian Cunningham wrote:
>>
>>> Must've been too good of a deal. In the 90 minutes since your post, 
>>> Irving, the listing has been removed.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 12:11:09 PM UTC-8 Irving wrote:
>>>
 If you're looking for something:

 - 57cm-ish
 - steel frame
 - wide tired, rim brake
 - in San Francisco
 - something along the lines of a Roadini or RB-1
 - cheaper than both of the aforementioned frames 

 You may be interested in this neat Waterford that popped up: 
 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-waterford-gravel/7697225437.html

 Irving
 SF, CA
 On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 7:01:37 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com 
 wrote:

> I owned a Red '93 RB-1 and it died in a car crash that put me in the 
> hospital for days and in rehab for months. I loved that bike and should 
> have been more aggressive about using it so that when it died it wouldn't 
> have hurt so much.
>
> Having said that, it's nowhere as versatile a bike as my current 
> Roadini. The default gearing on the RB-1 was way too high for most 
> cyclists, and there's some toe clip overlap while the Roadini has none.  
> The Roadini would probably have withstood Richard Mlyrnarik's pedaling 
> for 
> longer than a season (he cracked his RB-1 in a year of riding) The longer 
> chainstays of the Roadini means it descends better, and the Roadini won't 
> climb any worse. The yellow RB-1 came with STIs and I've killed the 
> 8-speed 
> STIs once and won't ride them again (indexing doesn't agree with me). 
> Despite the Craiglist declaration, I believe the yellow RB-1 came with 
> Suntour Superbe Pro brakes rather than Shimano 600 ones. But the Shimano 
> 600 dual pivots are better, so that's not an issue.
>
> All in all, if I had the opportunity to exchange my Roadini for a '93 
> RB-1, I wouldn't. The RB-1 was a nice bike, but not as nice as what I've 
> built up my Roadini to be.
>
> On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-8 
> brenton...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-time-capsule-1993/7688650100.html
>>
>> The seller said he’d go as low as $1600. There’s gotta be some 
>> opinions here. I have debated 90s road bike vs Roadini in previous 
>> threads 
>> and I’m still considering both. Building a Roadini would cost me 
>> $2000-$2200. The yellow 93 RB1 is my favorite, aesthetically speaking, 
>> but 
>> I’ve never ridden one. 
>>
>> I’ve had a 92 Fuji Team with similar geo and loved it, but sold it. 
>> It was a 56 and a hair too small. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: 90-year-old cyclist: remarkable video

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

Well what a treasure that was. I loved the man and his bike and his story 
and his storytelling and his pile of siblings. What a great find, Patrick!
Leah

On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 4:03:25 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> For those of you who don't read BSNYC: https://youtu.be/tgUC0zyu4p0
>
> 90 "at the end of the year" and he still does 400-600 km per month.
>
> Remarkable! Vigorous in mind and soul as well as in body. I suppose that 
> his history counts for a lot in this: born into poverty in 1933, working 
> from age 16 or so, growing up and living his professional life during "les 
> trentes glorieuses" in what seems to be a non-mega-urban setting close to 
> the countryside and with lovely cycling routes, close lifelong family ties.
>
> At about 10:05: "at 75 I could still climb the Tourmalet and the Galabier 
> ..."
>
> *And* he does this without electric assist, *and* gets by with 
> (apparently) Campy single pivots despite thoughts about falling at his 
> advanced age.
>
> Wonderful video. Cross posting because it might well interest those who 
> don't belong to both lists.
>
> "My youth is renewed like the eagle's."
>
> -- 
>
>
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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Re: [RBW] Re: Winter exercise switch-up for bike riders

[Patrick Moore]

Walking:

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I am an urban ranger,
I walk, it's what I do.
The city is my wilderness,
Sky scrapers are my trees.
I hang my thoughts on lamp posts,
And park my dreams in metered spots.
I populate the empty lots
With my good ghosts,
And invest the pavement
with diamond recollections.
Exertions are my exercise,
My labors for effect.
I walk to go and go to walk.
I walk to work and work that I might walk.
I walk to dream up orders
For my servile sitting self.
No stagnant sedentary thoughts
Shall rule this life.
But who knows what's for what.
I sure walk a hell of a lot.

Don't waste my time, what is this?

Urban Ranger is an extended metaphor to convince people (starting with
myself) to make a habit of purposeful, sustained walking.
Man, you are a bad poet

And you should be doing your job. Gimme a break. This is the internet.
Exertion vs. Exercise

It's idiotic. We've invented one class of machine to spare us physical
exertion, and another class of machine to inflict it back on us again, but
in an infinitely more boring, painful, and useless manner. We view it as
the triumph of our age that work no longer means labor, that we can burn
fossil fuel instead of living muscle. And yet we berate ourselves that we
do not labor in our leisure time, that we do not spend our freed hours in
the gym, that torture chamber that is only possible because the automobile
and the escalator have saved us so much labor that the surfeit is killing
us.

It's offensive. Work, dammit, and you won't have to play work later. No,
you probably can't kill a caribou for dinner, or plow a field, or do most
of the useful work that your ancestors did for thousands of generations.
But you can still walk. And believe it or not, walking is enough (more on
that below).

Let me guess: you don't go to the gym, or strap yourself to the bike
machine, or grind the cartilage off your joints jogging around the track,
as often as you think you should, if at all. Maybe you go for six months,
plateau, get bored, quit for a year, get disgusted, and start up again.
Maybe you haven't exercised in ages. You suspect that your problem is a
deficiency of willpower. Well, you're off. Your problem is you are
squandering willpower on a hopeless task: exercise divorced from purpose.
The solution: purposeful exertion; in particular, walking.

Walking is *still* useful. It is interesting and pleasant. You can think
and observe while you walk. You get somewhere. You don't need any special
equipment or outfits. It provides great health returns on very little
investment, without the risk associated with high impact activities. And
you can do it for the rest of your life.

On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 3:03 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> + 1 for walking, dog or no dog. I've lived within 15/100 mile of a Defined
> Fitness gym for 20 years and have never joined, and I attribute my youthful
> good looks to the 10 years I caught back from the slow-down of the temporal
> continuum during the 1 winter season I tried riding a stationary trainer
> indoors -- very structured 60 minute workout with multiple cycles of
> working up to max heart rate, cool-downs, and repeat. Time slowed to
> 1/100,000th of its normal flow and I aged, or failed to age, accordingly.
>
> Slightly more seriously: even tho' I avoid it as much as I can, I really
> do think that if you had to choose just 1 healthy activity, walking would
> be it.
>
> And there's shovelglove, which I've been doing very sporadically for 15
> years: https://www.shovelglove.com
>
> Latterly, I cut the handles down 2 12 lb hammers to 8" and do combined
> curls and presses, or at least that's the idea. Mostly, the hammers sit
> near my work desk and send dark, accusing looks at me for neglecting them.
> But I still do pushups -- straight back, all a way down to touch chest, all
> a way up with straighted arms.
>
> And sitting cross-legged -- good for flexibility.
>


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Re: [RBW] Re: SF RB-1 looking very nice

[藍俊彪]

That very well could be. I'm sure there's a '93 Bridgestone Catalog
somewhere out there with the full specs. For some reason I thought that the
Superbe Pro were spec'd on both red and yellow versions but it could just
be the red one.

On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 2:02 PM Ryan  wrote:

> Iirc I thought it was the yellow rb1 that
> came with sti while the red had those superbe brakes in 1993
>
>
> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 3:49:52 PM UTC-6 Brian Cunningham wrote:
>
>> Must've been too good of a deal. In the 90 minutes since your post,
>> Irving, the listing has been removed.
>>
>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 12:11:09 PM UTC-8 Irving wrote:
>>
>>> If you're looking for something:
>>>
>>> - 57cm-ish
>>> - steel frame
>>> - wide tired, rim brake
>>> - in San Francisco
>>> - something along the lines of a Roadini or RB-1
>>> - cheaper than both of the aforementioned frames
>>>
>>> You may be interested in this neat Waterford that popped up:
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-waterford-gravel/7697225437.html
>>>
>>> Irving
>>> SF, CA
>>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 7:01:37 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com
>>> wrote:
>>>
 I owned a Red '93 RB-1 and it died in a car crash that put me in the
 hospital for days and in rehab for months. I loved that bike and should
 have been more aggressive about using it so that when it died it wouldn't
 have hurt so much.

 Having said that, it's nowhere as versatile a bike as my current
 Roadini. The default gearing on the RB-1 was way too high for most
 cyclists, and there's some toe clip overlap while the Roadini has none.
 The Roadini would probably have withstood Richard Mlyrnarik's pedaling for
 longer than a season (he cracked his RB-1 in a year of riding) The longer
 chainstays of the Roadini means it descends better, and the Roadini won't
 climb any worse. The yellow RB-1 came with STIs and I've killed the 8-speed
 STIs once and won't ride them again (indexing doesn't agree with me).
 Despite the Craiglist declaration, I believe the yellow RB-1 came with
 Suntour Superbe Pro brakes rather than Shimano 600 ones. But the Shimano
 600 dual pivots are better, so that's not an issue.

 All in all, if I had the opportunity to exchange my Roadini for a '93
 RB-1, I wouldn't. The RB-1 was a nice bike, but not as nice as what I've
 built up my Roadini to be.

 On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-8
 brenton...@gmail.com wrote:

>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-time-capsule-1993/7688650100.html
>
> The seller said he’d go as low as $1600. There’s gotta be some
> opinions here. I have debated 90s road bike vs Roadini in previous threads
> and I’m still considering both. Building a Roadini would cost me
> $2000-$2200. The yellow 93 RB1 is my favorite, aesthetically speaking, but
> I’ve never ridden one.
>
> I’ve had a 92 Fuji Team with similar geo and loved it, but sold it. It
> was a 56 and a hair too small.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Winter exercise switch-up for bike riders

[Patrick Moore]

+ 1 for walking, dog or no dog. I've lived within 15/100 mile of a Defined
Fitness gym for 20 years and have never joined, and I attribute my youthful
good looks to the 10 years I caught back from the slow-down of the temporal
continuum during the 1 winter season I tried riding a stationary trainer
indoors -- very structured 60 minute workout with multiple cycles of
working up to max heart rate, cool-downs, and repeat. Time slowed to
1/100,000th of its normal flow and I aged, or failed to age, accordingly.

Slightly more seriously: even tho' I avoid it as much as I can, I really do
think that if you had to choose just 1 healthy activity, walking would be
it.

And there's shovelglove, which I've been doing very sporadically for 15
years: https://www.shovelglove.com

Latterly, I cut the handles down 2 12 lb hammers to 8" and do combined
curls and presses, or at least that's the idea. Mostly, the hammers sit
near my work desk and send dark, accusing looks at me for neglecting them.
But I still do pushups -- straight back, all a way down to touch chest, all
a way up with straighted arms.

And sitting cross-legged -- good for flexibility.

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[RBW] Re: SF RB-1 looking very nice

[Ryan]

Iirc I thought it was the yellow rb1 that 
came with sti while the red had those superbe brakes in 1993


On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 3:49:52 PM UTC-6 Brian Cunningham wrote:

> Must've been too good of a deal. In the 90 minutes since your post, 
> Irving, the listing has been removed.
>
> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 12:11:09 PM UTC-8 Irving wrote:
>
>> If you're looking for something:
>>
>> - 57cm-ish
>> - steel frame
>> - wide tired, rim brake
>> - in San Francisco
>> - something along the lines of a Roadini or RB-1
>> - cheaper than both of the aforementioned frames 
>>
>> You may be interested in this neat Waterford that popped up: 
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-waterford-gravel/7697225437.html
>>
>> Irving
>> SF, CA
>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 7:01:37 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I owned a Red '93 RB-1 and it died in a car crash that put me in the 
>>> hospital for days and in rehab for months. I loved that bike and should 
>>> have been more aggressive about using it so that when it died it wouldn't 
>>> have hurt so much.
>>>
>>> Having said that, it's nowhere as versatile a bike as my current 
>>> Roadini. The default gearing on the RB-1 was way too high for most 
>>> cyclists, and there's some toe clip overlap while the Roadini has none.  
>>> The Roadini would probably have withstood Richard Mlyrnarik's pedaling for 
>>> longer than a season (he cracked his RB-1 in a year of riding) The longer 
>>> chainstays of the Roadini means it descends better, and the Roadini won't 
>>> climb any worse. The yellow RB-1 came with STIs and I've killed the 8-speed 
>>> STIs once and won't ride them again (indexing doesn't agree with me). 
>>> Despite the Craiglist declaration, I believe the yellow RB-1 came with 
>>> Suntour Superbe Pro brakes rather than Shimano 600 ones. But the Shimano 
>>> 600 dual pivots are better, so that's not an issue.
>>>
>>> All in all, if I had the opportunity to exchange my Roadini for a '93 
>>> RB-1, I wouldn't. The RB-1 was a nice bike, but not as nice as what I've 
>>> built up my Roadini to be.
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-8 
>>> brenton...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>

 https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-time-capsule-1993/7688650100.html

 The seller said he’d go as low as $1600. There’s gotta be some opinions 
 here. I have debated 90s road bike vs Roadini in previous threads and I’m 
 still considering both. Building a Roadini would cost me $2000-$2200. The 
 yellow 93 RB1 is my favorite, aesthetically speaking, but I’ve never 
 ridden 
 one. 

 I’ve had a 92 Fuji Team with similar geo and loved it, but sold it. It 
 was a 56 and a hair too small. 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: SF RB-1 looking very nice

[Brian Cunningham]

Must've been too good of a deal. In the 90 minutes since your post, Irving, 
the listing has been removed.

On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 12:11:09 PM UTC-8 Irving wrote:

> If you're looking for something:
>
> - 57cm-ish
> - steel frame
> - wide tired, rim brake
> - in San Francisco
> - something along the lines of a Roadini or RB-1
> - cheaper than both of the aforementioned frames 
>
> You may be interested in this neat Waterford that popped up: 
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-waterford-gravel/7697225437.html
>
> Irving
> SF, CA
> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 7:01:37 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I owned a Red '93 RB-1 and it died in a car crash that put me in the 
>> hospital for days and in rehab for months. I loved that bike and should 
>> have been more aggressive about using it so that when it died it wouldn't 
>> have hurt so much.
>>
>> Having said that, it's nowhere as versatile a bike as my current Roadini. 
>> The default gearing on the RB-1 was way too high for most cyclists, and 
>> there's some toe clip overlap while the Roadini has none.  The Roadini 
>> would probably have withstood Richard Mlyrnarik's pedaling for longer than 
>> a season (he cracked his RB-1 in a year of riding) The longer chainstays of 
>> the Roadini means it descends better, and the Roadini won't climb any 
>> worse. The yellow RB-1 came with STIs and I've killed the 8-speed STIs once 
>> and won't ride them again (indexing doesn't agree with me). Despite the 
>> Craiglist declaration, I believe the yellow RB-1 came with Suntour Superbe 
>> Pro brakes rather than Shimano 600 ones. But the Shimano 600 dual pivots 
>> are better, so that's not an issue.
>>
>> All in all, if I had the opportunity to exchange my Roadini for a '93 
>> RB-1, I wouldn't. The RB-1 was a nice bike, but not as nice as what I've 
>> built up my Roadini to be.
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-time-capsule-1993/7688650100.html
>>>
>>> The seller said he’d go as low as $1600. There’s gotta be some opinions 
>>> here. I have debated 90s road bike vs Roadini in previous threads and I’m 
>>> still considering both. Building a Roadini would cost me $2000-$2200. The 
>>> yellow 93 RB1 is my favorite, aesthetically speaking, but I’ve never ridden 
>>> one. 
>>>
>>> I’ve had a 92 Fuji Team with similar geo and loved it, but sold it. It 
>>> was a 56 and a hair too small. 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Winter exercise switch-up for bike riders

[Kushan]

I started using an indoor trainer and Zwift for winters when we moved to 
Seattle. I must say that I am enjoying it more than I thought I would - and 
the irony of upright rivendell on an indoor bike trainer only makes it more 
fun :)

It's a pretty low cost option to try (can generally find used trainers for 
$20-$50 on Craigslist) for anyone interested. 

On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 12:55:44 PM UTC-8 Chris Halasz wrote:

> My mornings begin with a little qigong, then yoga or weights on 
> alternating days. 
>
> Every third day I enjoy five to six miles running in the hills, 
> interrupted by winter rain (and mud), and the trees and I are thankful for 
> every drop we're receiving this week! I love those runs, and am grateful my 
> leg and hip joints enjoy the time as much as I do. I don't enjoy running on 
> roads as much, I miss the Overstory experience I have here on the edge of 
> the Los Padres Forest. 
>
> A few December photos: 
>
> [image: _Surly.jpg]
> [image: _Winter_Trail.jpg]
> [image: _Colors.jpg]
> [image: _December_Color.jpg]
>
> Nice what I'm hearing about Pilates. 
>
> Happy holidays and happy first day of Winter to all. 
>
> - Chris 
>
> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 6:55:36 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I hope this is not off-topic. If it is, I apologize. 
>>
>> Living in Michigan means I park my Platypuses for 3 months or so in the 
>> winter. I know there are die-hards out there with their studded tires and 
>> fat bikes but that’s not me. No Platypus means a lot of my workout time has 
>> been freed up and I need to find ways to stay active in winter. I already 
>> do strength training and core 6-7 days of the week, year round. I run a 
>> little. I walk a lot. But I wanted to add in something new and challenging. 
>> I added TWO things: Pilates and HIIT.
>>
>> I have to say that I’m amazed how much I feel Pilates. The muscles I’m 
>> using in Pilates must never get used in my other workouts. Gluteus medius, 
>> specifically. I think I have really neglected my hips. I’m also doing some 
>> physical therapy for my shoulder and knee, and my physical therapist has 
>> uncovered some of my weaknesses that are, incidentally, being helped with 
>> Pilates. I think I’m going to keep it in my routine all year. Maybe ditch 
>> the core workouts, because I think Pilates is more effective.
>>
>> Also good is HIIT. I find that 20 minutes is plenty challenging. Lots of 
>> new moves that make you focus on balance, coordination and isolating muscle 
>> groups. Can be hard on the knees. Grant has talked at length about short 
>> bursts of intense exercise being the way. This is that.
>>
>> I do all of this in my basement using Apple Fitness, in case anyone was 
>> wondering how to start. Dirt cheap, very little equipment needed, and a joy 
>> to follow the lead of the instructors. I love a group exercise class - just 
>> tell me what to do to make the most of my time and put on some good music 
>> for the session. I’ll do whatever you say.
>>
>> If you park your bike for winter, what do you do to keep up your fitness? 
>> I’m always looking for new ideas.
>> Leah
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Coaster Brakes for a Beachy Clem Build

[Patrick Moore]

FWIW, one has the same pedal-positioning problem with a fixed drivetrain. I
quickly learned to unweight the rear and use the still-clipped-in left foot
to rotate the crank around for proper left-foot start-off push-down. It's
as easy to thus rotate forward as backward.

Squeeze front brake; push bike forward (ie, down on bar); lift rear wheel;
rotate crank to needed position with left foot. Adapt to your pedaling and
"main foot" habits.

This method is difficult, though, if you are carrying a heavy rear load but
then I just walk the bike forward half a dozen steps. And if you don't use
foot retention, you'd have to hook the free foot under the pedal to pull
up; I've done that only rarely.

One man's take.



On Thu, Dec 21, 2023 at 1:05 PM jaredwilson  wrote:

> ... On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 10:58:38 AM UTC-8
> mathiass...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I have done this and would probably not do it again -- it takes some
>> awareness and some re-training to go from coaster brake to being able to
>> backpedal freely.  I'm on my third winter on the coaster-brake bike and
>> still have trouble coming to a stop with the right pedal in the "take-off"
>> position. But then I'm not very coordinated
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: SF RB-1 looking very nice

[Irving]

If you're looking for something:

- 57cm-ish
- steel frame
- wide tired, rim brake
- in San Francisco
- something along the lines of a Roadini or RB-1
- cheaper than both of the aforementioned frames 

You may be interested in this neat Waterford that popped up: 
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-waterford-gravel/7697225437.html

Irving
SF, CA
On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 7:01:37 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I owned a Red '93 RB-1 and it died in a car crash that put me in the 
> hospital for days and in rehab for months. I loved that bike and should 
> have been more aggressive about using it so that when it died it wouldn't 
> have hurt so much.
>
> Having said that, it's nowhere as versatile a bike as my current Roadini. 
> The default gearing on the RB-1 was way too high for most cyclists, and 
> there's some toe clip overlap while the Roadini has none.  The Roadini 
> would probably have withstood Richard Mlyrnarik's pedaling for longer than 
> a season (he cracked his RB-1 in a year of riding) The longer chainstays of 
> the Roadini means it descends better, and the Roadini won't climb any 
> worse. The yellow RB-1 came with STIs and I've killed the 8-speed STIs once 
> and won't ride them again (indexing doesn't agree with me). Despite the 
> Craiglist declaration, I believe the yellow RB-1 came with Suntour Superbe 
> Pro brakes rather than Shimano 600 ones. But the Shimano 600 dual pivots 
> are better, so that's not an issue.
>
> All in all, if I had the opportunity to exchange my Roadini for a '93 
> RB-1, I wouldn't. The RB-1 was a nice bike, but not as nice as what I've 
> built up my Roadini to be.
>
> On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-time-capsule-1993/7688650100.html
>>
>> The seller said he’d go as low as $1600. There’s gotta be some opinions 
>> here. I have debated 90s road bike vs Roadini in previous threads and I’m 
>> still considering both. Building a Roadini would cost me $2000-$2200. The 
>> yellow 93 RB1 is my favorite, aesthetically speaking, but I’ve never ridden 
>> one. 
>>
>> I’ve had a 92 Fuji Team with similar geo and loved it, but sold it. It 
>> was a 56 and a hair too small. 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Coaster Brakes for a Beachy Clem Build

[jaredwilson]

FWIW another fellow on the group did a 2-speed coaster build with a Susie 
and has a small write up on it here.

2-Speed Coaster Susie 


On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 10:58:38 AM UTC-8 mathiass...@gmail.com 
wrote:

> I have done this and would probably not do it again -- it takes some 
> awareness and some re-training to go from coaster brake to being able to 
> backpedal freely.  I'm on my third winter on the coaster-brake bike and 
> still have trouble coming to a stop with the right pedal in the "take-off" 
> position. But then I'm not very coordinated.
>
> The upside of the coaster brake, and why I still use it, is the simplicity 
> for winter riding. In rust belt winters, everything corrodes and gets 
> messed up. So there's one less apparatus to worry about, plus the chain 
> won't freeze up like the brake cable could.
>
> I searched high and low for a steel mountain bike with horizontal 
> dropouts. They're like hen's teeth. Specialized bikes up until 1993 or so 
> qualify, so I got a Rockhopper.
> My last winter bike was Cannondale hybrid, with horizontal dropouts like 
> all aluminum bikes I've ever seen, and there I used a calculator similar to 
> what @iamkeith is recommending. It gets futzy, and the result won't be 
> gospel, but this type of calculator is  essential to figuring out a 
> chainring/sprocket combination that works. A little trial and error might 
> be necessary. Expect maybe 4-500 miles of wear before the chain elongates 
> enough to become a problem. 
>
> Fun fact, after the chain comes off, you got no rear brake. So make sure 
> you have one in front also.
>
> As @Bill Lindsay alluded to above but didn't spell out: Coaster brakes and 
> chain tensioners don't really mix. Whatever slack is in the system needs to 
> be taken up before the braking starts. 
> Also, by the time you add the tensioner, just get one that shifts ;)
>
> The whole thing seems like trouble; nothing wrong with coaster brakes, 
> just use a frame the works with you, not against you.
>
> cheers -mathias
> On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 8:36:42 AM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:
>
>> Velo Orange sells an eccentric bottom bracket for hollow tech cranks. 
>> Currently out of stock though. Good reviews for the most part, one did say 
>> it doesn't take up much slack, maybe one link at most. Probably would work 
>> fine with a half link.
>>
>>
>> https://velo-orange.com/collections/bottom-brackets/products/eccentric-bottom-bracket-bsa
>>
>> https://www.universalcycles.com/search.php?q=half+link
>>
>> JohnS
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Cyclofiend Jim
>>>
>>> I think your eyes skipped over the words "coaster brake" (aka a 
>>> foot-brake rear hub) in this thread.  The original poster wants to put a 
>>> coaster brake rear wheel on their Clem.  Otherwise, spot-on suggestions. 
>>>  :-)
>>>
>>> BL in EC
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 1:37:11 PM UTC-8 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>>
 On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 10:15:35 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

 The show stoppers that I would fear are:

 1. A coaster brake requires a no-tensioner way to take up chain slack. 
  On normal cruisers, that's done with horizontal dropouts.  The Clem has 
 vertical dropouts.  


 Fixing chain slack on vertical dropouts is easily addressed with a 
 chain tensioner. 
 https://surlybikes.com/parts/singleator

 Or if you want a purpose-built wheel, check out the White ENO hub - 
 https://www.whiteind.com/product/eno-flip-flop/

 If you go the hub route, you would have to leave the handbrakes in 
 place 

 J

>>>

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Re: [RBW] Riv's new handlebar bag

[Chris Halasz]

Nick

Does the Routeworks bag rattle? 

- Chris 

On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 11:57:18 AM UTC-8 Nick Payne wrote:

> On Thursday 21 December 2023 at 3:41:18 am UTC+11 campyo...@me.com wrote:
>
> My biggest issue with handlebar bags of this type is that most designs 
> have a tendency to sway forward and back and rely on complicated (and, IMHO 
> ugly) systems of cords or straps lashed to the frame or handlebars to 
> prevent sway.
>
>
> I've been pretty impressed with the Routewerks handlebar bag that I bought 
> about 18 months ago. It's well thought out and made, totally stable in use, 
> and attaches and detaches from the mount in a couple fo seconds with a cam 
> action similar to a quick release. I got two mounts with it, so I can 
> easily swap it between bikes.
>
> https://routewerks.cc/
>
> Nick Payne
>

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Re: [RBW] Riv's new handlebar bag

[Nick Payne]

On Thursday 21 December 2023 at 3:41:18 am UTC+11 campyo...@me.com wrote:

My biggest issue with handlebar bags of this type is that most designs have 
a tendency to sway forward and back and rely on complicated (and, IMHO 
ugly) systems of cords or straps lashed to the frame or handlebars to 
prevent sway.


I've been pretty impressed with the Routewerks handlebar bag that I bought 
about 18 months ago. It's well thought out and made, totally stable in use, 
and attaches and detaches from the mount in a couple fo seconds with a cam 
action similar to a quick release. I got two mounts with it, so I can 
easily swap it between bikes.

https://routewerks.cc/

Nick Payne

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[RBW] Re: Coaster Brakes for a Beachy Clem Build

[Mathias Steiner]

I have done this and would probably not do it again -- it takes some 
awareness and some re-training to go from coaster brake to being able to 
backpedal freely.  I'm on my third winter on the coaster-brake bike and 
still have trouble coming to a stop with the right pedal in the "take-off" 
position. But then I'm not very coordinated.

The upside of the coaster brake, and why I still use it, is the simplicity 
for winter riding. In rust belt winters, everything corrodes and gets 
messed up. So there's one less apparatus to worry about, plus the chain 
won't freeze up like the brake cable could.

I searched high and low for a steel mountain bike with horizontal dropouts. 
They're like hen's teeth. Specialized bikes up until 1993 or so qualify, so 
I got a Rockhopper.
My last winter bike was Cannondale hybrid, with horizontal dropouts like 
all aluminum bikes I've ever seen, and there I used a calculator similar to 
what @iamkeith is recommending. It gets futzy, and the result won't be 
gospel, but this type of calculator is  essential to figuring out a 
chainring/sprocket combination that works. A little trial and error might 
be necessary. Expect maybe 4-500 miles of wear before the chain elongates 
enough to become a problem. 

Fun fact, after the chain comes off, you got no rear brake. So make sure 
you have one in front also.

As @Bill Lindsay alluded to above but didn't spell out: Coaster brakes and 
chain tensioners don't really mix. Whatever slack is in the system needs to 
be taken up before the braking starts. 
Also, by the time you add the tensioner, just get one that shifts ;)

The whole thing seems like trouble; nothing wrong with coaster brakes, just 
use a frame the works with you, not against you.

cheers -mathias
On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 8:36:42 AM UTC-5 JohnS wrote:

> Velo Orange sells an eccentric bottom bracket for hollow tech cranks. 
> Currently out of stock though. Good reviews for the most part, one did say 
> it doesn't take up much slack, maybe one link at most. Probably would work 
> fine with a half link.
>
>
> https://velo-orange.com/collections/bottom-brackets/products/eccentric-bottom-bracket-bsa
>
> https://www.universalcycles.com/search.php?q=half+link
>
> JohnS
>
> On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 8:48:23 PM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Cyclofiend Jim
>>
>> I think your eyes skipped over the words "coaster brake" (aka a 
>> foot-brake rear hub) in this thread.  The original poster wants to put a 
>> coaster brake rear wheel on their Clem.  Otherwise, spot-on suggestions. 
>>  :-)
>>
>> BL in EC
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 19, 2023 at 1:37:11 PM UTC-8 Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, December 18, 2023 at 10:15:35 AM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> The show stoppers that I would fear are:
>>>
>>> 1. A coaster brake requires a no-tensioner way to take up chain slack. 
>>>  On normal cruisers, that's done with horizontal dropouts.  The Clem has 
>>> vertical dropouts.  
>>>
>>>
>>> Fixing chain slack on vertical dropouts is easily addressed with a chain 
>>> tensioner. 
>>> https://surlybikes.com/parts/singleator
>>>
>>> Or if you want a purpose-built wheel, check out the White ENO hub - 
>>> https://www.whiteind.com/product/eno-flip-flop/
>>>
>>> If you go the hub route, you would have to leave the handbrakes in 
>>> place 
>>>
>>> J
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Packrafting with Your Big Riv

[John Rinker]

Thanks, Ryan! What a wonderful way to spend time outside with your 
daughter. And, what a lovely section of the Spokane River. I'll definitely 
be paddling that one day. I've cruised lots of the Centennial trail (mostly 
west of you) and often wished I'd had a boat of some sort to float that 
beautiful river. Now I will.

Cheers, John

On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 7:42:41 AM UTC-8 fra...@gmail.com wrote:

> John, you will have a blast! I picked up an Alpacka Caribou last year and 
> absolutely love it. I’ve had so much fun that I wasn’t even using it with 
> my bike. I loved being on the river with it taking my daughter out for 
> short runs down the small fast sections we are fortunate enough to have 
> right out from our house. Definitely one of the most fun things I have ever 
> purchased!
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Winter exercise switch-up for bike riders

[George Schick]

I bend an elbow and walk the dog.  Oh, and if there's any snow, there's 
shoveling to be done.

On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 10:22:37 AM UTC-6 Tim Bantham wrote:

> I live in Upstate NY, not too far Leah from our friends at Analog Cycles . 
> This translates to lots of snow, long winters and a lot of time off the 
> bike. I do ride indoors on Zwift but the real game changer for me has been 
> yoga. I practice LYT yoga. It was designed by a physical therapist and is 
> rooted in kinesiology. It focuses on  postural alignment, better movement 
> habits and a strong mind body connection.  I've been practicing LYT almost 
> daily for a few years now. I like it so much that I even got my 200 hour 
> teacher certification so I can now teach although I am not current doing 
> so. I do all of this online at home. You can check it out at lytyoga.com. 
> I've never done pilates but I have heard that this type of yoga has a lot 
> of cross over. It has worked very well for me and has helped me build 
> strength, flexibility and mobility! 
>
> Tim
>
> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 10:22:52 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Mrs Bubba and I signed up at Orange Theory.  It's a small class studio, 
>> and it is expensive, but we're gaming the system a little bit.  It is 
>> definitely aimed at the HIIT thing and focuses on heart rate.  In a 50 
>> minute workout, the target is to get 12 or more splat points, a splat point 
>> is 1 minute in the Orange or Red zone of heart rate.  I share Leah's 
>> appreciation for "just tell me what to do and play the music loud".  Going 
>> along with my wife gives me an accountability buddy.  The gamification of 
>> points and the data-geekery of heart rate scratches a couple of my OCD 
>> itches.  This is my first month, and the program I'm on is just 8 classes a 
>> month.  This is a complement to my cycling rather than a full winter time 
>> substitute.  
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 6:55:36 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
>> Ding! wrote:
>>
>>> I hope this is not off-topic. If it is, I apologize. 
>>>
>>> Living in Michigan means I park my Platypuses for 3 months or so in the 
>>> winter. I know there are die-hards out there with their studded tires and 
>>> fat bikes but that’s not me. No Platypus means a lot of my workout time has 
>>> been freed up and I need to find ways to stay active in winter. I already 
>>> do strength training and core 6-7 days of the week, year round. I run a 
>>> little. I walk a lot. But I wanted to add in something new and challenging. 
>>> I added TWO things: Pilates and HIIT.
>>>
>>> I have to say that I’m amazed how much I feel Pilates. The muscles I’m 
>>> using in Pilates must never get used in my other workouts. Gluteus medius, 
>>> specifically. I think I have really neglected my hips. I’m also doing some 
>>> physical therapy for my shoulder and knee, and my physical therapist has 
>>> uncovered some of my weaknesses that are, incidentally, being helped with 
>>> Pilates. I think I’m going to keep it in my routine all year. Maybe ditch 
>>> the core workouts, because I think Pilates is more effective.
>>>
>>> Also good is HIIT. I find that 20 minutes is plenty challenging. Lots of 
>>> new moves that make you focus on balance, coordination and isolating muscle 
>>> groups. Can be hard on the knees. Grant has talked at length about short 
>>> bursts of intense exercise being the way. This is that.
>>>
>>> I do all of this in my basement using Apple Fitness, in case anyone was 
>>> wondering how to start. Dirt cheap, very little equipment needed, and a joy 
>>> to follow the lead of the instructors. I love a group exercise class - just 
>>> tell me what to do to make the most of my time and put on some good music 
>>> for the session. I’ll do whatever you say.
>>>
>>> If you park your bike for winter, what do you do to keep up your 
>>> fitness? I’m always looking for new ideas.
>>> Leah
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Winter exercise switch-up for bike riders

[Tim Bantham]

I live in Upstate NY, not too far Leah from our friends at Analog Cycles . 
This translates to lots of snow, long winters and a lot of time off the 
bike. I do ride indoors on Zwift but the real game changer for me has been 
yoga. I practice LYT yoga. It was designed by a physical therapist and is 
rooted in kinesiology. It focuses on  postural alignment, better movement 
habits and a strong mind body connection.  I've been practicing LYT almost 
daily for a few years now. I like it so much that I even got my 200 hour 
teacher certification so I can now teach although I am not current doing 
so. I do all of this online at home. You can check it out at lytyoga.com. 
I've never done pilates but I have heard that this type of yoga has a lot 
of cross over. It has worked very well for me and has helped me build 
strength, flexibility and mobility! 

Tim

On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 10:22:52 AM UTC-5 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Mrs Bubba and I signed up at Orange Theory.  It's a small class studio, 
> and it is expensive, but we're gaming the system a little bit.  It is 
> definitely aimed at the HIIT thing and focuses on heart rate.  In a 50 
> minute workout, the target is to get 12 or more splat points, a splat point 
> is 1 minute in the Orange or Red zone of heart rate.  I share Leah's 
> appreciation for "just tell me what to do and play the music loud".  Going 
> along with my wife gives me an accountability buddy.  The gamification of 
> points and the data-geekery of heart rate scratches a couple of my OCD 
> itches.  This is my first month, and the program I'm on is just 8 classes a 
> month.  This is a complement to my cycling rather than a full winter time 
> substitute.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 6:55:36 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding 
> Ding! wrote:
>
>> I hope this is not off-topic. If it is, I apologize. 
>>
>> Living in Michigan means I park my Platypuses for 3 months or so in the 
>> winter. I know there are die-hards out there with their studded tires and 
>> fat bikes but that’s not me. No Platypus means a lot of my workout time has 
>> been freed up and I need to find ways to stay active in winter. I already 
>> do strength training and core 6-7 days of the week, year round. I run a 
>> little. I walk a lot. But I wanted to add in something new and challenging. 
>> I added TWO things: Pilates and HIIT.
>>
>> I have to say that I’m amazed how much I feel Pilates. The muscles I’m 
>> using in Pilates must never get used in my other workouts. Gluteus medius, 
>> specifically. I think I have really neglected my hips. I’m also doing some 
>> physical therapy for my shoulder and knee, and my physical therapist has 
>> uncovered some of my weaknesses that are, incidentally, being helped with 
>> Pilates. I think I’m going to keep it in my routine all year. Maybe ditch 
>> the core workouts, because I think Pilates is more effective.
>>
>> Also good is HIIT. I find that 20 minutes is plenty challenging. Lots of 
>> new moves that make you focus on balance, coordination and isolating muscle 
>> groups. Can be hard on the knees. Grant has talked at length about short 
>> bursts of intense exercise being the way. This is that.
>>
>> I do all of this in my basement using Apple Fitness, in case anyone was 
>> wondering how to start. Dirt cheap, very little equipment needed, and a joy 
>> to follow the lead of the instructors. I love a group exercise class - just 
>> tell me what to do to make the most of my time and put on some good music 
>> for the session. I’ll do whatever you say.
>>
>> If you park your bike for winter, what do you do to keep up your fitness? 
>> I’m always looking for new ideas.
>> Leah
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Winter exercise switch-up for bike riders

[Bill Lindsay]

Mrs Bubba and I signed up at Orange Theory.  It's a small class studio, and 
it is expensive, but we're gaming the system a little bit.  It is 
definitely aimed at the HIIT thing and focuses on heart rate.  In a 50 
minute workout, the target is to get 12 or more splat points, a splat point 
is 1 minute in the Orange or Red zone of heart rate.  I share Leah's 
appreciation for "just tell me what to do and play the music loud".  Going 
along with my wife gives me an accountability buddy.  The gamification of 
points and the data-geekery of heart rate scratches a couple of my OCD 
itches.  This is my first month, and the program I'm on is just 8 classes a 
month.  This is a complement to my cycling rather than a full winter time 
substitute.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, December 21, 2023 at 6:55:36 AM UTC-8 Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:

> I hope this is not off-topic. If it is, I apologize. 
>
> Living in Michigan means I park my Platypuses for 3 months or so in the 
> winter. I know there are die-hards out there with their studded tires and 
> fat bikes but that’s not me. No Platypus means a lot of my workout time has 
> been freed up and I need to find ways to stay active in winter. I already 
> do strength training and core 6-7 days of the week, year round. I run a 
> little. I walk a lot. But I wanted to add in something new and challenging. 
> I added TWO things: Pilates and HIIT.
>
> I have to say that I’m amazed how much I feel Pilates. The muscles I’m 
> using in Pilates must never get used in my other workouts. Gluteus medius, 
> specifically. I think I have really neglected my hips. I’m also doing some 
> physical therapy for my shoulder and knee, and my physical therapist has 
> uncovered some of my weaknesses that are, incidentally, being helped with 
> Pilates. I think I’m going to keep it in my routine all year. Maybe ditch 
> the core workouts, because I think Pilates is more effective.
>
> Also good is HIIT. I find that 20 minutes is plenty challenging. Lots of 
> new moves that make you focus on balance, coordination and isolating muscle 
> groups. Can be hard on the knees. Grant has talked at length about short 
> bursts of intense exercise being the way. This is that.
>
> I do all of this in my basement using Apple Fitness, in case anyone was 
> wondering how to start. Dirt cheap, very little equipment needed, and a joy 
> to follow the lead of the instructors. I love a group exercise class - just 
> tell me what to do to make the most of my time and put on some good music 
> for the session. I’ll do whatever you say.
>
> If you park your bike for winter, what do you do to keep up your fitness? 
> I’m always looking for new ideas.
> Leah
>

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[RBW] Re: SF RB-1 looking very nice

[Piaw Na]

I owned a Red '93 RB-1 and it died in a car crash that put me in the 
hospital for days and in rehab for months. I loved that bike and should 
have been more aggressive about using it so that when it died it wouldn't 
have hurt so much.

Having said that, it's nowhere as versatile a bike as my current Roadini. 
The default gearing on the RB-1 was way too high for most cyclists, and 
there's some toe clip overlap while the Roadini has none.  The Roadini 
would probably have withstood Richard Mlyrnarik's pedaling for longer than 
a season (he cracked his RB-1 in a year of riding) The longer chainstays of 
the Roadini means it descends better, and the Roadini won't climb any 
worse. The yellow RB-1 came with STIs and I've killed the 8-speed STIs once 
and won't ride them again (indexing doesn't agree with me). Despite the 
Craiglist declaration, I believe the yellow RB-1 came with Suntour Superbe 
Pro brakes rather than Shimano 600 ones. But the Shimano 600 dual pivots 
are better, so that's not an issue.

All in all, if I had the opportunity to exchange my Roadini for a '93 RB-1, 
I wouldn't. The RB-1 was a nice bike, but not as nice as what I've built up 
my Roadini to be.

On Wednesday, December 20, 2023 at 11:48:22 AM UTC-8 brenton...@gmail.com 
wrote:

>
> https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/bik/d/san-francisco-57cm-time-capsule-1993/7688650100.html
>
> The seller said he’d go as low as $1600. There’s gotta be some opinions 
> here. I have debated 90s road bike vs Roadini in previous threads and I’m 
> still considering both. Building a Roadini would cost me $2000-$2200. The 
> yellow 93 RB1 is my favorite, aesthetically speaking, but I’ve never ridden 
> one. 
>
> I’ve had a 92 Fuji Team with similar geo and loved it, but sold it. It was 
> a 56 and a hair too small. 
>

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[RBW] Winter exercise switch-up for bike riders

[Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!]

I hope this is not off-topic. If it is, I apologize. 

Living in Michigan means I park my Platypuses for 3 months or so in the 
winter. I know there are die-hards out there with their studded tires and 
fat bikes but that’s not me. No Platypus means a lot of my workout time has 
been freed up and I need to find ways to stay active in winter. I already 
do strength training and core 6-7 days of the week, year round. I run a 
little. I walk a lot. But I wanted to add in something new and challenging. 
I added TWO things: Pilates and HIIT.

I have to say that I’m amazed how much I feel Pilates. The muscles I’m 
using in Pilates must never get used in my other workouts. Gluteus medius, 
specifically. I think I have really neglected my hips. I’m also doing some 
physical therapy for my shoulder and knee, and my physical therapist has 
uncovered some of my weaknesses that are, incidentally, being helped with 
Pilates. I think I’m going to keep it in my routine all year. Maybe ditch 
the core workouts, because I think Pilates is more effective.

Also good is HIIT. I find that 20 minutes is plenty challenging. Lots of 
new moves that make you focus on balance, coordination and isolating muscle 
groups. Can be hard on the knees. Grant has talked at length about short 
bursts of intense exercise being the way. This is that.

I do all of this in my basement using Apple Fitness, in case anyone was 
wondering how to start. Dirt cheap, very little equipment needed, and a joy 
to follow the lead of the instructors. I love a group exercise class - just 
tell me what to do to make the most of my time and put on some good music 
for the session. I’ll do whatever you say.

If you park your bike for winter, what do you do to keep up your fitness? 
I’m always looking for new ideas.
Leah

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