[RBW] Re: FS: caps, caps, caps (pt.1)

[Luke Hendrickson]

Lol “trade for rolex watch” 🥂

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 6:16:12 PM UTC-8 Paul Richardson wrote:

> three caps for your consideration:
>
> 1.  DIY blue Riv hat.  I sewed a patch onto a "new old stock" New Era 
> Chicago Cubs snapback.  It's pretty much still new/unworn, though there are 
> some rusty looking spots on the inside of the brim, should be visible in 
> the pics.  It's not sweat.  $30 shipped.
>
> 2.  DIY black Riv hat.  I sewed a patch onto a black Ebbets field flannel 
> cap.  Also pretty much unworn, maybe had it on three times.  I wanted to 
> love this but it just doesn't fit my head right.  The brim is unbent.  $45 
> shipped.
>
> 3.  Randi Jo wool flip-up in navy/acorn, similiar to this 
> ,
>  
> though the earflap is a different color.   Medium.  $40 shipped.
>
> PLEASE NOTE:  this is a mini basketball!!!  these are normal sized hats!!!
>
> I often miss deals on this list because I don't respond quickly enough, so 
> in the event that more than one person interested in any of these in the 
> next 24-or-so hours, I'll wait and then pick at random.  Payment via Paypal 
> f+f, cash, check, or trade for rolex watch.
>
> thanks!
> paul, dreaming of a roaduno in
> takoma park, md.
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] WTB: Woolywarm Sweater Vest and/or Cardigan

[Mike Ullmer]

I just picked up a Woolywarm Cheviot Sweater over the holidays and have
been loving it and would like to add a vest or Cardigan to the collection.
I expect a large or XL will fit. If you have anything give a shout!

Mike in Minneapolis

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Re: [RBW] Re: Continental "Basketball" tire

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks ?? and Garth; good to know. So RR gives the Contact Speed good upper
middle class rolling credentials, which corresponds to the more recent RR
review I did find.. I'd use them on firm dirt so ultra-fast pavement
rolling is not a requirements.

And just saw your (Garth's) remark on nomenclature.

On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 3:20 PM Garth  wrote:

> I remember seeing those here Patrick :
>
> https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/tour-reviews/continental-sport-contact-2016
>
> No on road commenting, just roller and puncture "tests" and measurements.
> The site used to give more info without the "pro member" thing. No problem
> the wayback machine has it all.
>
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20170710185238/https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/tour-reviews/continental-sport-contact-2016
>
>
> On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 4:32:01 PM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:
>
>> They're my favorite tire made. The 700x42s  pretty much live on my
>> Atlantis and it's my main go anywhere bike. I've never flatted & they roll
>> great. I have zero experience with them on sand but I've taken them on
>> hardpack dirt and they were great. For me they strike the perfect balance
>> of comfort, durability, versatility, & speed. The affordability is a good
>> bonus.
>> They measure a little over 42 on my Cliffhangers.
>>
>> On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 3:18:56 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/tire-650b-x-2-continental-basketball?variant=3669081128973
>>>
>>> Apparently these come in 2 sizes that interest me:559 X 1.6/42 mm and
>>> 622X42.
>>>
>>> I Googled (or Duck Duck Go'd) reviews of the BB tire but came up with
>>> nothing.
>>>
>>> Can anyone point me to reasonably intelligent reviews?
>>>
>>> Has anyone used these and can say how well they roll and how well they
>>> track in sand and how well they resist punctures?
>>>
>>> And how wide they actually are and on what width of rim?
>>>
>>> $40 for a nice-rolling, sand-tracking, reasonably puncture resistant
>>> tire would be lovely!
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> --
>>>
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>>>
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[RBW] Re: Continental "Basketball" tire

[Garth]

I don't if there is any different in the "speed" one as Conti has a way of 
just changing the names of tires. 

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 5:20:48 PM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> I remember seeing those here Patrick :
>  
> https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/tour-reviews/continental-sport-contact-2016
>
> No on road commenting, just roller and puncture "tests" and measurements.  
> The site used to give more info without the "pro member" thing. No problem 
> the wayback machine has it all. 
>
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20170710185238/https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/tour-reviews/continental-sport-contact-2016
>
>
> On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 4:32:01 PM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:
>
>> They're my favorite tire made. The 700x42s  pretty much live on my 
>> Atlantis and it's my main go anywhere bike. I've never flatted & they roll 
>> great. I have zero experience with them on sand but I've taken them on 
>> hardpack dirt and they were great. For me they strike the perfect balance 
>> of comfort, durability, versatility, & speed. The affordability is a good 
>> bonus. 
>> They measure a little over 42 on my Cliffhangers.
>>
>> On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 3:18:56 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/tire-650b-x-2-continental-basketball?variant=3669081128973
>>>
>>> Apparently these come in 2 sizes that interest me:559 X 1.6/42 mm and 
>>> 622X42. 
>>>
>>> I Googled (or Duck Duck Go'd) reviews of the BB tire but came up with 
>>> nothing.
>>>
>>> Can anyone point me to reasonably intelligent reviews? 
>>>
>>> Has anyone used these and can say how well they roll and how well they 
>>> track in sand and how well they resist punctures?
>>>
>>> And how wide they actually are and on what width of rim?
>>>
>>> $40 for a nice-rolling, sand-tracking, reasonably puncture resistant 
>>> tire would be lovely!
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
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>>> services
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>>>
>>> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Continental "Basketball" tire

[Garth]

I remember seeing those here Patrick :
 
https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/tour-reviews/continental-sport-contact-2016

No on road commenting, just roller and puncture "tests" and measurements.  
The site used to give more info without the "pro member" thing. No problem 
the wayback machine has it all. 

https://web.archive.org/web/20170710185238/https://www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/tour-reviews/continental-sport-contact-2016


On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 4:32:01 PM UTC-5 exliontamer wrote:

> They're my favorite tire made. The 700x42s  pretty much live on my 
> Atlantis and it's my main go anywhere bike. I've never flatted & they roll 
> great. I have zero experience with them on sand but I've taken them on 
> hardpack dirt and they were great. For me they strike the perfect balance 
> of comfort, durability, versatility, & speed. The affordability is a good 
> bonus. 
> They measure a little over 42 on my Cliffhangers.
>
> On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 3:18:56 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>>
>> https://www.rivbike.com/products/tire-650b-x-2-continental-basketball?variant=3669081128973
>>
>> Apparently these come in 2 sizes that interest me:559 X 1.6/42 mm and 
>> 622X42. 
>>
>> I Googled (or Duck Duck Go'd) reviews of the BB tire but came up with 
>> nothing.
>>
>> Can anyone point me to reasonably intelligent reviews? 
>>
>> Has anyone used these and can say how well they roll and how well they 
>> track in sand and how well they resist punctures?
>>
>> And how wide they actually are and on what width of rim?
>>
>> $40 for a nice-rolling, sand-tracking, reasonably puncture resistant tire 
>> would be lovely!
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>> ---
>>
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>> services
>>
>>
>> ---
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>>
>> *But wouldst gabble like a** thing most brutish,*
>>
>> *I endowed thy purposes w**ith words that made them known.*
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Continental "Basketball" tire

[exliontamer]

They're my favorite tire made. The 700x42s  pretty much live on my Atlantis 
and it's my main go anywhere bike. I've never flatted & they roll great. I 
have zero experience with them on sand but I've taken them on hardpack dirt 
and they were great. For me they strike the perfect balance of comfort, 
durability, versatility, & speed. The affordability is a good bonus. 
They measure a little over 42 on my Cliffhangers.

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 3:18:56 PM UTC-6 Patrick Moore wrote:

>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/tire-650b-x-2-continental-basketball?variant=3669081128973
>
> Apparently these come in 2 sizes that interest me:559 X 1.6/42 mm and 
> 622X42. 
>
> I Googled (or Duck Duck Go'd) reviews of the BB tire but came up with 
> nothing.
>
> Can anyone point me to reasonably intelligent reviews? 
>
> Has anyone used these and can say how well they roll and how well they 
> track in sand and how well they resist punctures?
>
> And how wide they actually are and on what width of rim?
>
> $40 for a nice-rolling, sand-tracking, reasonably puncture resistant tire 
> would be lovely!
>
> Thanks.
>
> -- 
>
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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[RBW] Re: Continental "Basketball" tire

[Patrick Moore]

I just saw that the official name is "Contact Speed" and that reviews of
near-kin are generally positive, tho' it's hard to find a review of the
exact model in the exact size you want. But I'd spring for a pair of the
559 X 42s as occasional firm-dirt tires for the 1999 gofast, *if* they
measure true to size or even a bit narrow -- the Nachez Pass is within a mm
or so of rubbing the rear chainstays as it relaxes.

Does anyone know the real-world width? (On what rim?)

On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 2:18 PM Patrick Moore  wrote:

>
> https://www.rivbike.com/products/tire-650b-x-2-continental-basketball?variant=3669081128973
>
> Apparently these come in 2 sizes that interest me:559 X 1.6/42 mm and
> 622X42.
>
> I Googled (or Duck Duck Go'd) reviews of the BB tire but came up with
> nothing.
>
> Can anyone point me to reasonably intelligent reviews?
>
> Has anyone used these and can say how well they roll and how well they
> track in sand and how well they resist punctures?
>
> And how wide they actually are and on what width of rim?
>
> $40 for a nice-rolling, sand-tracking, reasonably puncture resistant tire
> would be lovely!
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
>
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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[RBW] Continental "Basketball" tire

[Patrick Moore]

https://www.rivbike.com/products/tire-650b-x-2-continental-basketball?variant=3669081128973

Apparently these come in 2 sizes that interest me:559 X 1.6/42 mm and
622X42.

I Googled (or Duck Duck Go'd) reviews of the BB tire but came up with
nothing.

Can anyone point me to reasonably intelligent reviews?

Has anyone used these and can say how well they roll and how well they
track in sand and how well they resist punctures?

And how wide they actually are and on what width of rim?

$40 for a nice-rolling, sand-tracking, reasonably puncture resistant tire
would be lovely!

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Re: [RBW] Re: FS: Bags — Revelate Designs, canvas handlebar bag

[Patrick Moore]

What's the width of the handlebar bag? Or: can one fit a 9" pump inside it
with tools and bandana and extra fat tube without too much hassle?

Thanks.

On Fri, Dec 29, 2023 at 1:29 PM John Woo  wrote:

> Forgot a photo of the canvas bag!
>
>
> On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 2:18:50 PM UTC-5 John Woo wrote:
>
>> Price includes ground shipping from New York in the lower 48. Sold as
>> shown in the photos. Used but clean and free of rips.
>>
>> Canvas + Leather handlebar bag. I think this is an old Acorn design.
>> Cleaner than it looks in the pictures. Exposure compensation makes
>> everything brighter, including dust. Loved this bag.
>> $40
>>
>> Revelate Designs Tangle Frame Bag, excellent condition
>> $70
>>
>> Revelate Designs Seat Bag, excellent condition. I think this is the Pica,
>> although it might be a slightly older version than currently offered. Fits
>> a change of clothes, day food, and then some.
>> $60
>>
>> Revelate Designs Feed Bag for the handlebar
>> $25
>>
>> $140 for all three Revelate Designs bags.
>>
>> NOTE: I'm selling a bunch of items and I've designated Jan 12th and Jan
>> 26th as my shipping days. LMK if you really need something outside those
>> times and we can try to work something out
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[RBW] Re: ROADINI in South Pasadena

[Brian Cunningham]

Congrats, Tony! 

I'm just a few miles away in Glendale and have an orange Roadini from a 
previous batch. Know a fellow named Dean in Eagle Rock who has one from the 
new gold run, and it does look great. I'd have a hard time choosing between 
that and the green as well. Both are really nice shades.

Feel free to email me if you'd like to do a little Riv meetup for folks in 
the NELA area...

Cheers,

Brian

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 10:15:20 AM UTC-8 Joe Bernard wrote:

> That would have been a tough call for me, too, both colors are awesome. 
> Dark Gold it is! Congrats on your new Riv, looking forward to the build. 
>
> On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 9:43:00 AM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>
>> [image: IMG_2735.jpeg][image: IMG_2734.jpeg]Alright—now the fun starts! 
>> The Leo arrived last night, so it got a healthy dose of Frame Saver. I’m 
>> going to build most of it this morning. Still waiting for a Silver triple 
>> crank and some chain wax to arrive. Should be ready to roll tomorrow. 
>>
>> Including color comparison images to show dark gold versus the orange on 
>> my Sam. Took forever to choose between the Sergio green and dark gold but I 
>> couldn’t be happier with my choice. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 11:04:17 AM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>
>>> Last post for the intro...promise! 
>>>
>>>
>>> SAM BUILD
>>> After purchasing parts last week, I set this bike up as a 2x8 flat bar 
>>> build with Swift Industries bags and a Wald basket. This is will be for 
>>> biking with family, getting in fitness rides, doing grocery shopping, 
>>> coffee outside vibes, and running errands around town. Heckmaybe even 
>>> some fenders and a kickstand.
>>>
>>> LEO BUILD
>>> This will be a 3x8 drop bar build set up for 40-60ish mile road rides on 
>>> the weekend. It'll use an old set of OpenPro/Ultegra with some Panaracers 
>>> Pasellas. In terms of luggage, it'll get a Swift Industries Kestral mounted 
>>> to a Velo Orange decalleur and a tool roll under the saddle. Might be cool 
>>> as a Rando bike but free time in the saddle is limited at this point in my 
>>> life.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please stay tuned if you have any interest in seeing a comfy road build 
>>> take shape. I'll definitely share insights during and after the build, 
>>> especially as I get acclimated to the new bike. Cheers and Happy New Year!
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 11:03:35 AM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>>
 At any rate, the numbers between both frames look pretty similar. Seems 
 like the chainstay on the Leo is 1.7cm shorter than the Sam and the HT/ST 
 angles have a 0.5 degree variation. My guess is that both will feel pretty 
 neutral in handling and I fully expect any Riv to ride amazingly, so I'm 
 not that worried about it. Given the difference in tire size, and lack of 
 luggage on the Roadini, I expect it to feel zippier than my trusty Sam.
 [image: IMG_2718.jpeg]
 *Parts Bin*
 So, I've been building an admirable collection of parts over the years 
 and I finally accumulated enough to build a second bike. Here's a 
 screenshot of the spreadsheet I made to help determine which parts to buy, 
 indicated in yellow highlighting.
 [image: Screen Shot 2023-12-26 at 10.26.45 AM.png]




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[RBW] Re: FS: Berthoud Aspin Open Saddle + Nitto S83 seatpost

[John Woo]

Apologies — neglected to mention that the seat post is 27.2 x 250mm.

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 2:07:10 PM UTC-5 John Woo wrote:

> Hardly used. Excellent+ condition. I don't remember ever treating the 
> saddle.
>
> Price includes ground shipping from New York in the lower 48.
>
> Berthoud Aspin (Stainless Steel) Open Saddle (Black) - $220
> Nitto S83 seatpost (250mm) - $95
>
> $300 for both items.
>
> NOTE: I'm selling a bunch of items and I've designated Jan 12th and Jan 
> 26th as my shipping days. LMK if you really need something outside those 
> times and we can try to work something out.
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[RBW] FS: Ortlieb Classic Front Panniers, Asphalt

[John Woo]

How Ortlieb sold anything named 'asphalt' is a wonder.

I used one pannier much more than the other and it shows but hey, they're 
Ortleib and they will outlast us all. Excellent condition and no rips etc.

$100 shipped in CONUS. Comes with the shoulder straps.

NOTE: I'm selling a bunch of items and I've designated Jan 12th and Jan 
26th as my shipping days. LMK if you really need something outside those 
times and we can try to work something out

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[RBW] FS: MKS Urban Platform Pedals + Cageclips

[John Woo]

Great condition. Scuffed but mechanically perfect.

Selling two sets as shown in the photo with MKS Cageclips. 

$60 per set or $100 for both sets.

Price includes ground shipping from New York in the lower 48.

NOTE: I'm selling a bunch of items and I've designated Jan 12th and Jan 
26th as my shipping days. LMK if you really need something outside those 
times and we can try to work something out.

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[RBW] FS: Bags — Revelate Designs, canvas handlebar bag

[John Woo]

Price includes ground shipping from New York in the lower 48. Sold as shown 
in the photos. Used but clean and free of rips.

Canvas + Leather handlebar bag. I think this is an old Acorn design. 
Cleaner than it looks in the pictures. Exposure compensation makes 
everything brighter, including dust. Loved this bag.
$40

Revelate Designs Tangle Frame Bag, excellent condition
$70

Revelate Designs Seat Bag, excellent condition. I think this is the Pica, 
although it might be a slightly older version than currently offered. Fits 
a change of clothes, day food, and then some.
$60

Revelate Designs Feed Bag for the handlebar
$25

$140 for all three Revelate Designs bags.

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[RBW] Re: ROADINI in South Pasadena

[Joe Bernard]

That would have been a tough call for me, too, both colors are awesome. 
Dark Gold it is! Congrats on your new Riv, looking forward to the build. 

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 9:43:00 AM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:

> [image: IMG_2735.jpeg][image: IMG_2734.jpeg]Alright—now the fun starts! 
> The Leo arrived last night, so it got a healthy dose of Frame Saver. I’m 
> going to build most of it this morning. Still waiting for a Silver triple 
> crank and some chain wax to arrive. Should be ready to roll tomorrow. 
>
> Including color comparison images to show dark gold versus the orange on 
> my Sam. Took forever to choose between the Sergio green and dark gold but I 
> couldn’t be happier with my choice. 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 11:04:17 AM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>
>> Last post for the intro...promise! 
>>
>>
>> SAM BUILD
>> After purchasing parts last week, I set this bike up as a 2x8 flat bar 
>> build with Swift Industries bags and a Wald basket. This is will be for 
>> biking with family, getting in fitness rides, doing grocery shopping, 
>> coffee outside vibes, and running errands around town. Heckmaybe even 
>> some fenders and a kickstand.
>>
>> LEO BUILD
>> This will be a 3x8 drop bar build set up for 40-60ish mile road rides on 
>> the weekend. It'll use an old set of OpenPro/Ultegra with some Panaracers 
>> Pasellas. In terms of luggage, it'll get a Swift Industries Kestral mounted 
>> to a Velo Orange decalleur and a tool roll under the saddle. Might be cool 
>> as a Rando bike but free time in the saddle is limited at this point in my 
>> life.
>>
>>
>> Please stay tuned if you have any interest in seeing a comfy road build 
>> take shape. I'll definitely share insights during and after the build, 
>> especially as I get acclimated to the new bike. Cheers and Happy New Year!
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 26, 2023 at 11:03:35 AM UTC-8 Tony Lockhart wrote:
>>
>>> At any rate, the numbers between both frames look pretty similar. Seems 
>>> like the chainstay on the Leo is 1.7cm shorter than the Sam and the HT/ST 
>>> angles have a 0.5 degree variation. My guess is that both will feel pretty 
>>> neutral in handling and I fully expect any Riv to ride amazingly, so I'm 
>>> not that worried about it. Given the difference in tire size, and lack of 
>>> luggage on the Roadini, I expect it to feel zippier than my trusty Sam.
>>> [image: IMG_2718.jpeg]
>>> *Parts Bin*
>>> So, I've been building an admirable collection of parts over the years 
>>> and I finally accumulated enough to build a second bike. Here's a 
>>> screenshot of the spreadsheet I made to help determine which parts to buy, 
>>> indicated in yellow highlighting.
>>> [image: Screen Shot 2023-12-26 at 10.26.45 AM.png]
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks B72 Reissued!

[Will Boericke]

If anybody is B72 curious and needs the adapter for a modern seatpost, I 
have one in the parts bin from years ago for $20 shipped.

Will

On Friday, December 29, 2023 at 10:15:26 AM UTC-5 Roberta wrote:

> I ordered the B72 in brown with the saddle sandwich directly from Brooks 
> England.  I signed up for their newsletter and since this was my first 
> direct purchase from them, received a 15% discount.  Shipping  is free at 
> this purchase point.  Also, if you register your saddle with them within 
> three months of  purchase, the two year warranty becomes a 10 year 
> warranty. Because of Mark's nose comment and other rail breaking comments I 
> read on the web, I definitely will be registering the B72.  I have an A 
> Homer Hilsen and a Betty Foy, both with B68 saddles, and I'm planning this 
> saddle mainly for my Betty. 
>
> I also ordered a tin of Proofide, not to help with the break in (I just 
> ride saddles to break them in), but possibly later on for water 
> resistance.  Obenauf's has been my go-to in the past but not for this 
> saddle;  if I need to file a warranty claim I wouldn't want it dismissed 
> because of the "wrong" saddle treatment.  
>
> When I get the saddle, I'll post some pictures of it next to B68 and B67 
> saddles I have.
>
> There is also a thread on the iBob board with some additional information: 
>https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/syTF_Oq3Kr0/m/ruwkM3UwAQAJ
>
> Roberta
>
> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 2:06:07 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> I have a B72 on my Hunq - I 3D printed (well, had an online service do 
>> it) a 2-rail saddle adapter in glass-filled nylon, using this pattern - 
>> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3143229.  It's going on 2 years and 
>> has worked great.  Awesome that Brooks is reissuing this though and making 
>> an adapter!
>>
>> James in North Jersey
>>
>> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 1:52:10 PM UTC-5 Coal Bee Rye Anne 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> FYI for anyone that hasn't already noticed the resurrection of the B72 
>>> model.
>>> https://theradavist.com/brooks-b72-review/
>>>
>>> I know the B68 gets a bit more attention as the wide, unsprung, single 
>>> rail model that is plug & play with modern seatpost clamps but I thought 
>>> this was interesting news to share for anyone that might like to find 
>>> something of a middle ground between the unsprung models and the large coil 
>>> springs found on the Flyer/Conquest and other sprung, more upright saddles.
>>>
>>> Not sure when the new Brooks adapter kit will actually become available 
>>> as it's not yet on their site (as of earlier this morning) and Radavist 
>>> only mentions 'next week'  with their 11/30 article but seems they'll be 
>>> obtainable soon.
>>>
>>> I have an old B72 with a condition pretty much matching that of the one 
>>> installed on the Ritchey in the photos of the Radavist link.  My own came 
>>> off a mid 70's Raleigh Sports I picked up used.  I treated the leather a 
>>> handful of times and eventually used it on my Clem with a Breezer double 
>>> rail adapter until it sagged enough to hit the top of the seatpost clamp on 
>>> even mild bumps.  I retired it before it broke rather than keep stretching 
>>> the old leather with more and more bolt adjustments as a few spots started 
>>> to crack and flake.  I also kind of just like the look of the saddle and 
>>> unique spring design so wanted to keep an old example intact.
>>>
>>> We also have a B18 with the same rail and spring design as the B72 on my 
>>> spouse's three speed (I had sadly slept on the limited Raspberry color when 
>>> it was available so we only have a brown.)  That bike gets much less use 
>>> lately but I built it up as a nice resto-mod using the best condition parts 
>>> between our two matching Raleigh's, got rebuilt wheels on the original hubs 
>>> with new alloy rims, etc. so the new embossed saddle was an additional 
>>> splurge.  My own Sports turned into more of a franken-build but was a fun 
>>> project, albeit too small and short lived.
>>>
>>> I had one of the Conquest re-issues but the narrower shape just didn't 
>>> fit me even on a more aggressive, bar-below-saddle build so I sold or 
>>> traded away the Conquest.  I do not necessarily recall a distinct 
>>> difference in the suspended feeling between the Conquest and Brooks as much 
>>> as I did in the overall fit, shape, and design.
>>>
>>> I have no real need for a new B72 at the moment but might go for the new 
>>> adapter kit, when available, and play around to see how my old one fits 
>>> some spare seatposts with the different sets of bolts and see if I find a 
>>> good match that may offer greater under saddle to top of clamp clearance 
>>> than I had on the 1-bolt post I used on the Clem with the old B72.
>>>
>>> Brian Cole
>>> Lawrence NJ
>>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Will Cliffhangers leave me hanging?

[Will Boericke]

I'll agree that I think the problem is the marriage of shallow, 
tubeless-ready rim with a pretty stout tire like the Marathon.  I remember 
my first set of Pacenti SL23s and how difficult mounting tires on those 
rims was.  I carry a Var bead jack 
 with me 
to this day as a result, though I think my tire mounting technique has 
improved through the years of tubeless adoption.  In your case, I would 
definitely change rim tape if you're still using cloth.  In the 
things-you-probably-know category, I've had best luck starting opposite the 
valve stem so that the last bit of bead over the edge is at the valve and I 
can push the tube up out of the way.  I often use tire levers for this last 
bit, which I think is heretical among certain bikers.  

If they continue to be an issue, I'd be inclined to try a lighter tire and 
perhaps a tubeless setup.  It really works well at high volume and frequent 
use; problems happen when you stray from those two conditions.

Will
On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 8:56:44 PM UTC-5 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> Those Nanos are the most frustrating tires I've ever had to change out. It 
> took me 2 days to get them off my son's Salsa Journeyman. Granted, those 
> rims are the awful tubeless ready rims which contribute to the problem. I 
> even had to rest my thumbs in between wheels!
>
> I've had Marathons come on the bike and bent aluminum tire levers getting 
> them off to fix them. Never again! My philosophy now is that I'd rather get 
> flats more often and have them be easy to fix in the field than to have 
> unflattable tires that also are unfixable in the field when they do flat.
>
> On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 5:28:46 PM UTC-8 John Rinker wrote:
>
>> I haven't had any problems mounting tires, but I've got a pair of WTB 
>> Nanos that are clinging for dear life. They won't even let me push their 
>> bead from the rim. They truly love the Cliffhangers.
>>
>> Cheers, John
>>
>> On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 5:03:37 PM UTC-8 
>> ber...@bernardduhon.com wrote:
>>
>>> Those tubless ready rims can be a pain. 
>>>
>>> When I am going on a multi day ride I bring this tire jack. 
>>>
>>> It only fits in large saddle bags but is worth the space.
>>>
>>> Kool Stop Tire Bead Jack With Handle (Black) - Dan's Comp (danscomp.com) 
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Second place is the picture attached . I don’t know where I bought it 
>>> but It has to be used with care as It will bend out of shape so you have to 
>>> back it up with your hand . 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> Third place 
>>>
>>> Amazon.com : Crankbrothers Dunarri Speedier Lever , Black : Cycling Tire 
>>> Repair Kits : Sports & Outdoors 
>>> 
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  *On 
>>> Behalf Of *John Bokman
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, December 28, 2023 4:32 PM
>>> *To:* RBW Owners Bunch 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Will Cliffhangers leave me hanging?
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> I have found the Marathon Supremes (700x35 and 700x38) to be great for 
>>> urban riding/touring purposes. But, they are now sadly discontinued. The 
>>> "replacement" is the Marathon "efficiency" which I can't quite get my head 
>>> around...Another tire that I now enjoy for such purposes is the Panaracer 
>>> Pasella Protite. Less expensive, great rolling, maybe not quite as 
>>> flat-resistant, but so far so good (fingers crossed). I had used the 
>>> original Pasellas, but found them to be flat-prone. The new ones seem to 
>>> roll as well, but be much more flat-prone. Of course, I'm not riding on 
>>> shoulders of highways where lots of tire and shrapnel conspire to deflate 
>>> tires.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> https://www.schwalbetires.com/Marathon-Efficiency-11654366
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.panaracerusa.com/products/pasela-protite-folding-urban-commuter-tire
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> FWIW, have haven't had trouble mounting Schwalbes (Marathon Green Guard, 
>>> Marathon Supreme, Marathon Mondial) on Velocity Dyads nor Quill. They were 
>>> a bit tougher to mount on Sun Rims (CR 18, I believe?). I think the key is 
>>> to get the tire beads well into the center of the wheel well before 
>>> proceeding with mounting.
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> John, Portland OR
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 28, 2023 at 1:54:52 PM UTC-8 maxcr wrote:
>>>
>>> Marathon Supremes

[RBW] Re: Brooks B72 Reissued!

[Roberta]

I ordered the B72 in brown with the saddle sandwich directly from Brooks 
England.  I signed up for their newsletter and since this was my first 
direct purchase from them, received a 15% discount.  Shipping  is free at 
this purchase point.  Also, if you register your saddle with them within 
three months of  purchase, the two year warranty becomes a 10 year 
warranty. Because of Mark's nose comment and other rail breaking comments I 
read on the web, I definitely will be registering the B72.  I have an A 
Homer Hilsen and a Betty Foy, both with B68 saddles, and I'm planning this 
saddle mainly for my Betty. 

I also ordered a tin of Proofide, not to help with the break in (I just 
ride saddles to break them in), but possibly later on for water 
resistance.  Obenauf's has been my go-to in the past but not for this 
saddle;  if I need to file a warranty claim I wouldn't want it dismissed 
because of the "wrong" saddle treatment.  

When I get the saddle, I'll post some pictures of it next to B68 and B67 
saddles I have.

There is also a thread on the iBob board with some additional information: 
   https://groups.google.com/g/internet-bob/c/syTF_Oq3Kr0/m/ruwkM3UwAQAJ

Roberta

On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 2:06:07 PM UTC-5 mcgr...@gmail.com wrote:

> I have a B72 on my Hunq - I 3D printed (well, had an online service do 
> it) a 2-rail saddle adapter in glass-filled nylon, using this pattern - 
> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3143229.  It's going on 2 years and has 
> worked great.  Awesome that Brooks is reissuing this though and making an 
> adapter!
>
> James in North Jersey
>
> On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 1:52:10 PM UTC-5 Coal Bee Rye Anne wrote:
>
>> FYI for anyone that hasn't already noticed the resurrection of the B72 
>> model.
>> https://theradavist.com/brooks-b72-review/
>>
>> I know the B68 gets a bit more attention as the wide, unsprung, single 
>> rail model that is plug & play with modern seatpost clamps but I thought 
>> this was interesting news to share for anyone that might like to find 
>> something of a middle ground between the unsprung models and the large coil 
>> springs found on the Flyer/Conquest and other sprung, more upright saddles.
>>
>> Not sure when the new Brooks adapter kit will actually become available 
>> as it's not yet on their site (as of earlier this morning) and Radavist 
>> only mentions 'next week'  with their 11/30 article but seems they'll be 
>> obtainable soon.
>>
>> I have an old B72 with a condition pretty much matching that of the one 
>> installed on the Ritchey in the photos of the Radavist link.  My own came 
>> off a mid 70's Raleigh Sports I picked up used.  I treated the leather a 
>> handful of times and eventually used it on my Clem with a Breezer double 
>> rail adapter until it sagged enough to hit the top of the seatpost clamp on 
>> even mild bumps.  I retired it before it broke rather than keep stretching 
>> the old leather with more and more bolt adjustments as a few spots started 
>> to crack and flake.  I also kind of just like the look of the saddle and 
>> unique spring design so wanted to keep an old example intact.
>>
>> We also have a B18 with the same rail and spring design as the B72 on my 
>> spouse's three speed (I had sadly slept on the limited Raspberry color when 
>> it was available so we only have a brown.)  That bike gets much less use 
>> lately but I built it up as a nice resto-mod using the best condition parts 
>> between our two matching Raleigh's, got rebuilt wheels on the original hubs 
>> with new alloy rims, etc. so the new embossed saddle was an additional 
>> splurge.  My own Sports turned into more of a franken-build but was a fun 
>> project, albeit too small and short lived.
>>
>> I had one of the Conquest re-issues but the narrower shape just didn't 
>> fit me even on a more aggressive, bar-below-saddle build so I sold or 
>> traded away the Conquest.  I do not necessarily recall a distinct 
>> difference in the suspended feeling between the Conquest and Brooks as much 
>> as I did in the overall fit, shape, and design.
>>
>> I have no real need for a new B72 at the moment but might go for the new 
>> adapter kit, when available, and play around to see how my old one fits 
>> some spare seatposts with the different sets of bolts and see if I find a 
>> good match that may offer greater under saddle to top of clamp clearance 
>> than I had on the 1-bolt post I used on the Clem with the old B72.
>>
>> Brian Cole
>> Lawrence NJ
>>
>

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